Little Lies 35 Years Ago

[dougl]

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/fleetwood-mac-little-lies/

[Villavic]

Interesting article, though I'm not convinced about:
At the same time, however, no one seemed content to allow Mirage to be Fleetwood Mac's final album. As Buckingham told Creem, "it left a lot of things dangling."

No one? As i remember Tango was born because they wanted to help Mick, who was broke. Not because they longed to make another album.

Probably Lindsey did say that (does anybody know when was Creem interview?), but I'm not convinced he was sincere. He probably said so to convey a positive context.

Cause Mick said in his first book that "Lindsey Buckingham alone was fairly reticent about Fleetwood Mac. He was enjoying his hard-won independence and deep into his own album with Richard Dashut...
He was under some strain with this project, and lost his patience occasionally... ."

Anyway Tango give us some cool songs and LL is one of the best in that album.

[bwboy]

Interesting article, though I'm not convinced about:
At the same time, however, no one seemed content to allow Mirage to be Fleetwood Mac's final album. As Buckingham told Creem, "it left a lot of things dangling."

No one? As i remember Tango was born because they wanted to help Mick, who was broke. Not because they longed to make another album.

Probably Lindsey did say that (does anybody know when was Creem interview?), but I'm not convinced he was sincere. He probably said so to convey a positive context.

I think the article was interesting and pretty accurate. I’m certain Lindsey and Christine both at some point have said that they didn’t want Mirage to be their last work together as FM. Christine could hardly say many positive things about it when it was reissued. I don’t think she dislikes Mirage, just that it’s not the album they wanted to go out on.

Also, this idea that FM reconvened to help Mick because he was broke? I don’t buy it. Sure, it was a fringe benefit, but I am quite certain he never asked the band to record Tango to help his finances. Likewise, the rest of the band didn’t come together on their own because of Mick’s financial problems. I believe 100% that Christine was working on Can’t Help Falling in Love and eventually Lindsey, Mick, and John got involved, and they had a good enough time working together that they decided to do another album. As a result of making Tango, Mick got back on his feet again, and they all made a lot of money, but no way did they do it to help Mick.

Clearly during the making of Tango, Lindsey had a change of heart and decided Tango would be his swan song from the band, and I definitely believe he and Christine think Tango was a stronger album to go out on, both in terms of sales and material. As much as I love certain songs on Mirage, none of those songs have the strength of Little Lies, Isn’t It Midnight, Big Love, or Everywhere.

[Macfan4life]

They may be quoting Lindsey from the 1982 Creem magazine interview where the entire band was interviewed except Stevie (she also did not participate in the 1982 Rolling Stone "Happy At The Top" interview on the advice of her manager.
Lindsey said all kinds of wild stuff in 1982. He also spoke of the future and how he will never tour after the age of 40 :lol: He's pushing mid 70s and still touring :lol: Fleetwood Mac was on the cover of Creem magazine in 1982 and a fancy Mirage cover shoot.

I think the article is accurate. Little Lies is one of those songs that you know is a hit the first time you hear it. So much that it kicked off the second side of Tango. In the late 80s this is usually where record companies put their lead off single. But Stevie was upset about her lack of appearance on the album and put Seven Wonders ahead of Little Lies in the singles department. Seven Wonders did not chart spectacularly in the USA and tanked in the UK after the success of Big Love. Here comes Christine rescuing Tango with her monster international hits Little Lies and Everywhere.
It was the Mac's last top 10 hit and was sort of an end to an era. I saw the band in early October 1987 as Little Lies was racing up the charts.

I dont think anyone even at the time of Mirage thought Mirage was their last album. They always knew they would be back together again someday. It just was Stevie was a huge solo star and getting her back would keep the band waiting.

Most obvious error of the article was that Little Lies was only a hit because Lindsey left the band.

;)

[HomerMcvie]

I definitely believe he and Christine think Tango was a stronger album to go out on, both in terms of sales and material. As much as I love certain songs on Mirage, none of those songs have the strength of Little Lies, Isn’t It Midnight, Big Love, or Everywhere.

Maybe, but I far prefer Mirage to Tango. Tango is plastic and sterile. It doesn't sound like a band. And live, Mirage is the last time they were a band, before the backup singers and additional players.

[aleuzzi]

^^^I don’t see in the article where the success of this song was attributed to Lindsey’s leaving. Did I miss something?

Error I noticed: “Hold Me was a top 10 hit, not a top 20 hit.

The song is impeccable. I remember thinking at the time that this was one instance on the record where everyone was present and in great form. John’s bass, Lindsey and Stevie’s famous vocal interchange on the chorus, Mick’s classic heart beat drumming, Christine’s sly, ironic songwriting and seductive vocal…

I remember the article from CREEM, which is where Mick has noted that Lindsey appeared to be “giving his notice in the press.” You can tell the other members didn’t expect that: Christine said she wanted to do another solo album with Lindsey producing; Stevie talked a lot about Lindsey’s naked vocal on “When I See You Again,” even taking credit for his solo singing by declaring that she removed her own vocal from what was a duet after it was recorded; Mick was clearly anticipating a lucrative come-back tour…So none of them appear to have been expecting Lindsey’s resignation.

[bwboy]

Maybe, but I far prefer Mirage to Tango. Tango is plastic and sterile. It doesn't sound like a band. And live, Mirage is the last time they were a band, before the backup singers and additional players.

I agree with you- while I think the four Tango songs I mentioned, plus Seven Wonders, are stronger than anything on Mirage, Mirage as a whole is more consistent. I dislike Family Man and When I See You Again, and think You and I, Caroline, and Tango are just ok. On Mirage, the only songs I dislike are Empire State and Oh Diane. Otherwise I can listen to Mirage straight through, and as you said, they sound like a band. Not so much on Tango. But Christine’s growth and confidence as a songwriter from Mirage to Tango is truly impressive. It’s unusual to see someone grow so much as a writer later in life… the opposite of Stevie, whose songs tended to be less memorable as she got older. Although in all fairness, Stevie has released a lot more material than Christine, and the more material out there, the less memorable it may be.

[HomerMcvie]

I agree with you- while I think the four Tango songs I mentioned, plus Seven Wonders, are stronger than anything on Mirage, Mirage as a whole is more consistent. I dislike Family Man and When I See You Again, and think You and I, Caroline, and Tango are just ok. On Mirage, the only songs I dislike are Empire State and Oh Diane. Otherwise I can listen to Mirage straight through, and as you said, they sound like a band. Not so much on Tango. But Christine’s growth and confidence as a songwriter from Mirage to Tango is truly impressive. It’s unusual to see someone grow so much as a writer later in life… the opposite of Stevie, whose songs tended to be less memorable as she got older. Although in all fairness, Stevie has released a lot more material than Christine, and the more material out there, the less memorable it may be.

Maybe it's because I was 5 years older for Tango, but Mirage LIVES IN MY HEART. ALL of the songs. They come on, and I remember how much they meant to me. How happy they made me. I used to skip Only Over Ewe, but it finally grew on me, too.

And I love Empire State, which was only a year after Law And Order, so I was still into freaky Lindsey.

[aleuzzi]

Maybe it's because I was 5 years older for Tango, but Mirage LIVES IN MY HEART. ALL of the songs. They come on, and I remember how much they meant to me. How happy they made me. I used to skip Only Over Ewe, but it finally grew on me, too.

And I love Empire State, which was only a year after Law And Order, so I was still into freaky Lindsey.

I used to skip about 1/3 the album when it first came out but listened to the other 2/3 all the time. But now I dig all of it—except “Oh Diane” (which I never liked) and “Straight Back” (which I used to like). Side 1 is especially cool. But “Eyes” on side 2 is also great.

I’ve always dug “Only Over You” primarily because of the surprise of her voice ascending in such a sexy way. It’s like: “oh, we’ve entered a room where people are doing adult things...” After the initial embarrassment of hearing her sing/moan, I couldn’t turn away. Voyeur?

[jbrownsjr]

I used to skip about 1/3 the album when it first came out but listened to the other 2/3 all the time. But now I dig all of it—except “Oh Diane” (which I never liked) and “Straight Back” (which I used to like). Side 1 is especially cool. But “Eyes” on side 2 is also great.

I’ve always dug “Only Over You” primarily because of the surprise of her voice ascending in such a sexy way. It’s like: “oh, we’ve entered a room where people are doing adult things...” After the initial embarrassment of hearing her sing/moan, I couldn’t turn away. Voyeur?

Oh Diane, I've only slightly come to like it. It's such a weird song on this album. (But, Mirage is weird).

OOY and WYWH are beautiful songs. After hearing it live with the passion she sang it with during BUCKVIE, I might say WYWH is my favorite. OOY that outro grabs me. Pure Buckvie on both outros.

The chemistry between Buck and McVie is kind of amazing. I'm glad Stevie was absent a lot of the time. The other two really shine on Tango and Mirage.

[Macfan4life]

Maybe, but I far prefer Mirage to Tango. Tango is plastic and sterile. It doesn't sound like a band. And live, Mirage is the last time they were a band, before the backup singers and additional players.
Its not even a fair comparison....apples and oranges. Mirage was a total band performance with real instruments on every track. Tango was sort of a more commercial version of Go Insane....a slick, trendy modern Lindsey solo album. There are moments where Tango shines and you can hear the band but sadly those moments are rare. Just imagine everyone off drugs and devoting all hands on deck. Lindsey was always fascinated with cutting edge sort of sound so the band's lack of direction, he sort of seized the direction of the album. But no doubt everyone wanted a huge commercial success which also explains the radio friendly synth pop sound of much of Tango. Mirage is not experimental like Tusk but its a completely cohesive sound. It needed a few moments of rawness but the Tusk blowback was in full effect.
Only Over You is a gem. It was always my least favorite song on Mirage from about 1983-1997. Its pure perfection.... dreamy hypnotic lullaby with some fantastic Mick/Lindsey/John/Chris playing. It has a vintage Mac quality. Its also a very classic Chris tune with her singing her devotion to a guy but you get a line about the dark side. "They say I'm a silly girl, but I'm not a fool" Very similar to "If you use me again, it will be the end of me" and "your mood is like a circus wheel, changing all the time. Everything else about those songs is pure love devotion but she always gets her line in about the guy not being perfect in any sense. Only over you is just overdosing on overdubs and sometimes you just have to soak it all in. When you first hear the song, you dont know where its going. Once you have heard the song several times, you appreciate the direction it goes and it has a wow factor. Indeed Mirage was an end to an era and the band NEVER made another cohesive and inclusive album again with these 5.

[HomerMcvie]

Really, the main reason I never cared for OOY is that I've always been prejudiced against songs I couldn't sing. The beginning of the chorus is impossible for my manly being.

[jbrownsjr]

Really, the main reason I never cared for OOY is that I've always been prejudiced against songs I couldn't sing. The beginning of the chorus is impossible for my manly being.

You're out of your mind.

[HomerMcvie]

You're out of your mind.

But it's only over ewe.

[jbrownsjr]

But it's only over ewe.

People think you're crazy, but they don't know.

[Villavic]

You're out of your mind.

That's exactly what I don't like in that song. Too much repeat I'm ooooout of my mind...

I do love the People think I'm crazy... and People say they know me... sections.

But when she again goes back to I'm ooout.... it's like Please!!! Enooough!!! :laugh:

[aleuzzi]

That's exactly what I don't like in that song. Too much repeat I'm ooooout of my mind...

I do love the People think I'm crazy... and People say they know me... sections.

But when she again goes back to I'm ooout.... it's like Please!!! Enooough!!! :laugh:

I think it’s incredibly sexy

[aleuzzi]

Really, the main reason I never cared for OOY is that I've always been prejudiced against songs I couldn't sing. The beginning of the chorus is impossible for my manly being.

Then you must HATE “Prove Your Love”!

[jbrownsjr]

Then you must HATE “Prove Your Love”!

or

HOW LOOOOOONG has it been since we have been together????

[aleuzzi]

or

HOW LOOOOOONG has it been since we have been together????

The “of” in. “The face of a pretty girl” right before the guitar solo.

[Macfan4life]

That's exactly what I don't like in that song. Too much repeat I'm ooooout of my mind...

I do love the People think I'm crazy... and People say they know me... sections.

But when she again goes back to I'm ooout.... it's like Please!!! Enooough!!! :laugh:
I was the same way. I always hate when songs start with the vocalist so I was instantly put off by the song.....blinders up and a wall to never accept it. There are such goodies in the song that make it one of the best on Mirage. It has an incredible jam in the end.
The funny part is the I'M OUT OF MY MIND part usually would be a metaphor but its actually the truth. She WAS out of her mind to love Dennis.
Its like the song Fire Burning by Stevie Nicks. The fire burning was not a metaphor but actually her house on fire and what could she take to escape the fire.

[jbrownsjr]

The “of” in. “The face of a pretty girl” right before the guitar solo.

Ok Tony!! I love that "of". That's a beautiful vocal on the studio version.

[SteveMacD]

^^^I don’t see in the article where the success of this song was attributed to Lindsey’s leaving. Did I miss something?


No, that was a dig at me for suggesting that “Little Lies,” which was released 25 days after Lindsey quit, benefited from the drama surrounding the band, who absolutely played it up (see “Little Lies” video (https://youtu.be/uCGD9dT12C0), which topped the MTV Top 20 Video Countdown TWICE).

The nerve of suggesting that it helped someone’s musical boner song become a Top 5 hit.

The overall context was “Fleetwood Mac” initially sold what Fleetwood Mac albums usually sold, but began picking up again when “Over My Head” was released and started skyrocketing when news broke that the McVies were divorcing, setting the stage for “Rumours.” Otherwise, without that kind of drama, Fleetwood Mac albums with that lineup sell what “Tusk” and “Mirage” sold.

ETA: And, the announcement that Lindsey quit and Billy and Rick were the new guys was on August 18. The music press was still digesting the news when the song and video were released.

[jbrownsjr]

No, that was a dig at me for suggesting that “Little Lies,” which was released 25 days after Lindsey quit, benefited from the drama surrounding the band, who absolutely played it up (see “Little Lies” video (https://youtu.be/uCGD9dT12C0), which topped the MTV Top 20 Video Countdown TWICE).

The nerve of suggesting that it helped someone’s musical boner song become a Top 5 hit.



Haha! It felt like a dig but I wasn't sure. Any drama marketing for them was always a plus. MTV was also doing FM Attack with the Tango album. MTV really gave FM a lot of air time. Even Christine's solo was a big deal with them.

[Macfan4life]

Of course it was a dig. Where is everyone's sense of humor :lol:

That thread is the Rumours or Mona Lisa of this board. Perhaps the greatest posting of all time. :)

Little Lies stands on its own. Lindsey's departure had nothing to do with the success of the song. It should have been the lead single and could have reached #1. But I realize Lindsey got screwed on Mirage for his songs not being played (his words, not mine) and he sort of deserved the lead single after all he went through to make the album happen. Go back in a time machine and pretend its March 1987 and you never ever heard Big Love yet and you got an advance listen to Tango In The Night. You are the record company, what do you pick as your lead single? Little Lies of course. It has huge cross over appeal and features all 3 singers (at least we think so). Its also quite catchy. Its like the Hold Me of Tango. Fleetwood Mac was a 70s supergroup and most people would not even know or care he left the band in 1987 except core fans. The song stands on its own. Tiffany, Billy Idol and that crappy Dirty Dancing song blocked Little Lies from the top spot in November 1987. Even on 80s channels you rarely hear Big Love. Its one of those songs that was a quick race up the charts and you never hear again. You hear Little Lies everywhere all the time. If it was the lead single it would have taken Tango to the top. Then Big Love, then Everywhere. Seven Wonders could have been the swan song of the album :)

[jbrownsjr]

Of course it was a dig. Where is everyone's sense of humor :lol:



We recognize your shadows from the past.

[SteveMacD]

Little Lies stands on its own. Lindsey's departure had nothing to do with the success of the song.

:laugh:

It’s hilarious you believe that.

It was released as a single less than two weeks after he quit and the video completely played up his leaving. In true Fleetwood Mac fashion, there was a scandal and suddenly the album skyrockets.

Those are basic, verifiable facts.

[Macfan4life]

:laugh:

It’s hilarious you believe that.

It was released as a single less than two weeks after he quit and the video completely played up his leaving. In true Fleetwood Mac fashion, there was a scandal and suddenly the album skyrockets.

Those are basic, verifiable facts.
You are the best ever Steve. Please dont change.

Little Lies is the most pop song on the album and the band had just starting touring after a half decade when Little Lies was released. No radio programmer leaned in heavy on Little Lies rotation because Lindsey left. That makes no sense and its an insult to the song to think otherwise. I cannot believe that you think Little Lies would have tanked if Lindsey had not quit in 1987. Record companies always put their biggest hits or lead off singles first track side two in the mid to late 80s.
Iran Contra happened in 1987. Seven Wonders was on heavy rotation on MTV. And Little Lies was released in 1987 and became a big hit. Coincidence? I think not. Those are basic verifiable facts.

[SteveMacD]

and the band had just starting touring after a half decade when Little Lies was released.
The tour started a month later.

No radio programmer leaned in heavy on Little Lies rotation because Lindsey left.
Radio was only part of the equation in 1987. MTV played the crap out of the video, which, again, heavily played up Lindsey’s leaving. It absolutely was part of the storyline behind the song’s success.

I cannot believe that you think Little Lies would have tanked if Lindsey had not quit in 1987.
Never said that, though. I said it might not have been a top 5 hit. I also said that TITN sold more after he quit.

[bwboy]

I cannot believe that you think Little Lies would have tanked if Lindsey had not quit in 1987. Record companies always put their biggest hits or lead off singles first track side two in the mid to late 80s.

Steve didn’t say Little Lies would have tanked if Lindsey hadn’t quit.

I have no idea if record companies always put the biggest hits or lead off singles as the first track on side two or not back in the 1980s. But I do question that. I thought FM and more specifically Lindsey was the one who sequenced the album, not the record company. By the same token, I thought the record company had more of a voice in which songs would be chosen to be singles. If Lindsey was the one who sequenced the album, than the record company wasn’t the one who put the singles where they were on the album.

I think Big Love was a fabulous choice for a lead single. They didn’t release it first because Lindsey didn’t get a single from Mirage, they released it because it was catchy and a little edgy but not too edgy. The song got people talking for tons of reasons- the grunts, who sang on it, cool video, etc. Little Lies was a great third single because it helpd the album rebound after Seven Wonders only made the top 20- not terrible, but it way underperformed.

I do agree that now, in hindsight, Little Lies and Christine in general is why Tango is so well regarded, but back in 1987, Big Love and Lindsey were given the credit.

[Macfan4life]

This is so silly. I am not going to engage this nonsense anymore. Yes bwboy, he did not say "tank" but said it would not have been a hit. Being a single that is not a hit from a popular album is the definition of the word tank? No? You are playing word games.

Steve makes ridiculous assumptions that somehow Lindsey leaving spiked Tango sales. NOPE. Seven wonders tanked so bad in the UK after Big Love that and it did not chart well in the US greatly. Sales slowed in both countries. Having the biggest hit chart from the album would naturally spike album sales, no? Especially in the UK since Seven Wonders did not chart AT ALL. This has to do with the merit of the song, not a conspiracy theory about everyone conspiring to make a song a big hit because a band member left. Little Lies stands on its own. To say otherwise is complete nonsense and I wont comment on this insanity anymore.

On another note, go back and play your albums from the late 80s. Where is your favorite Stevie song Talk To Me? First track side 2. Where is Stand Back? First track side 2.

With Steve's logic, Sometimes Its A Bitch should have been a smash. The most visible and lead singer of Fleetwood Mac quit the band in anger while releasing it as a single ;)

[bwboy]

This is so silly. I am not going to engage this nonsense anymore. Yes bwboy, he did not say "tank" but said it would not have been a hit. Being a single that is not a hit from a popular album is the definition of the word tank? No? You are playing word games.

Gulp! I probably shouldn’t point out that Steve actually said that Little Lies wouldn’t have been a top 5 hit, not a hit in general. I don’t mean to play word games, but I think sometimes in your attempt to make your point, you unintentionally misstate what someone else has said, that’s all. I’ve done the same thing myself, in fact most people have. Or we just have differing opinions; for example, I agree Seven Wonders underperformed, but in no way would I say it tanked. Family Man, now that’s a single that tanked. One single made it to the top 20, the other made it to the top 70. Anyway, not a big deal and I certainly don’t mean to tick you off, honest.

[HomerMcvie]

This is so silly. I am not going to engage this nonsense anymore.

Y'all are silly AF. Get a room. Or two.

[jbrownsjr]

This is so silly. I am not going to engage this nonsense anymore. Yes bwboy, he did not say "tank" but said it would not have been a hit. Being a single that is not a hit from a popular album is the definition of the word tank? No? You are playing word games.

Steve makes ridiculous assumptions that somehow Lindsey leaving spiked Tango sales. NOPE. Seven wonders tanked so bad in the UK after Big Love that and it did not chart well in the US greatly. Sales slowed in both countries. Having the biggest hit chart from the album would naturally spike album sales, no? Especially in the UK since Seven Wonders did not chart AT ALL. This has to do with the merit of the song, not a conspiracy theory about everyone conspiring to make a song a big hit because a band member left. Little Lies stands on its own. To say otherwise is complete nonsense and I wont comment on this insanity anymore.

On another note, go back and play your albums from the late 80s. Where is your favorite Stevie song Talk To Me? First track side 2. Where is Stand Back? First track side 2.

With Steve's logic, Sometimes Its A Bitch should have been a smash. The most visible and lead singer of Fleetwood Mac quit the band in anger while releasing it as a single ;)

Oh Daddy is a beautiful song. Thoughts?

[UnwindedDreams]

They should've had Billy and Rick in the Little Lies video.

[Macfan4life]

Gulp! I probably shouldn’t point out that Steve actually said that Little Lies wouldn’t have been a top 5 hit, not a hit in general. I don’t mean to play word games, but I think sometimes in your attempt to make your point, you unintentionally misstate what someone else has said, that’s all. I’ve done the same thing myself, in fact most people have. Or we just have differing opinions; for example, I agree Seven Wonders underperformed, but in no way would I say it tanked. Family Man, now that’s a single that tanked. One single made it to the top 20, the other made it to the top 70. Anyway, not a big deal and I certainly don’t mean to tick you off, honest.
Yes it underperformed in the US but tanked in the UK where Tango was a big seller. If you agree that it underperformed then why would you buy into the conspiracy that the best pop song from the album would revive the album both in the UK and the States. I find it insulting of all the songs in the world anyone would conjure up conspiracies to promote the most radio friendly single song in the world. Steve's argument is Lindsey's departure somehow spiked album sales and made Little Lies a "hit." If you go back to the original thread of years ago, that is what he said which is why over the years its a running joke on this board. Warner even did an expensive video for the song when Lindsey was in the band knowing it would be the smash that it was.

Big Love
#5 USA
#9 UK

Seven Wonders
#19 USA
#56 UK (tanked)

Little Lies - Finally Chris releases her pop song greatness and the album rebounds
#4 USA
#5 UK

[SteveMacD]

Yes bwboy, he did not say "tank" but said it would not have been a hit.
No, I didn’t. I said it likely wouldn’t have been a top five hit. “Everywhere” wasn’t a top five hit and it’s a great, radio-friendly pop song, too.

Steve makes ridiculous assumptions that somehow Lindsey leaving spiked Tango sales.
It spiked interest in the band in general.

Sales slowed in both countries. Having the biggest hit chart from the album would naturally spike album sales, no?
But, again, the single was released during a moment of intense interest in the band because of its internal drama, which the video fed into.

On another note, go back and play your albums from the late 80s. Where is your favorite Stevie song Talk To Me? First track side 2. Where is Stand Back? First track side 2.
“Behind the Mask?”

“Play in the Rain (Continued)?”

With Steve's logic, Sometimes Its A Bitch should have been a smash. The most visible and lead singer of Fleetwood Mac quit the band in anger while releasing it as a single ;)
There wasn’t popular interest in Stevie by that point.

Fleetwood Mac was promoting moderately successful album that had already had a top 5 single when the guy who sang said song quit the band. Less than two weeks after his departure was announced, “Little Lies” and its video were released.

But we’re somehow supposed to believe that had zero bearing on the song’s success?

I find it insulting of all the songs in the world anyone would conjure up conspiracies to promote the most radio friendly single song in the world. Steve's argument is Lindsey's departure somehow spiked album sales and made Little Lies a "hit."

Little Lies - Finally Chris releases her pop song greatness and the album rebounds

Two weeks after Lindsey’s departure was announced.

There’s no conspiracy, that’s how it actually played out.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey quit on August 6, his departure was announced on August 18, “Little Lies” and its video were released on August 31, and the new lineup debuted on September 30.

In the video, during the first verse, “Close my, close my, close my eyes” is four shots of Lindsey walking. During the second verse, “Close your, close your, close your eyes” is shots of John, Christine, Mick, and Stevie walking, followed by a closeup of Lindsey on “No more broken hearts” and Lindsey walking away on “We’re better off apart.”

How anyone could completely dismiss any of that is baffling.

[aleuzzi]

Umm, I don’t think Lindsey’s departure had really much, if anything, to do with the song’s success. I vividly remember the release of “Little Lies” (which certain radio stations were buzzing about BEFORE it was released as a single). It hit and it hit big—and the biggest fans of it were people largely unfamiliar with the band since the 80s. The song had mass crossover appeal and excited everyone. As a huge FM fan at that time (and of course before and since) I saw the song as a last hurrah of the now-broken chain. But my love for it was firmly in place when I first got the album.

In many ways, Little Lies is the Say You Love Me of the 80s. A huge hit that was the last in a line of hits. Like SYLM, it features every member of the band doing what they do best. An ensemble piece. Both songs are clever, wry, bouncy numbers that open the “second side” of their respective albums.

[SteveMacD]

Umm, I don’t think Lindsey’s departure had really much, if anything, to do with the song’s success.

As a huge FM fan at that time (and of course before and since) I saw the song as a last hurrah of the now-broken chain.

Which was something they played up, at least in the video. It was the backdrop to the song’s release as a single.

[aleuzzi]

Which was something they played up, at least in the video. It was the backdrop to the song’s release as a single.

See, I thought they were redirecting people, getting them hooked on the chemistry of the Rumours five to buy tickets for the tour. They were hoping no one would think too hard about Lindsey being gone…

[DownOnRodeo]

I definitely think the 75, 77, and 87 albums reached a certain bestseller threshold on account of the sheer quantity of timeless radio hits those albums contained (ie separate to the narrative context), although obviously the narrative aspects further propelled them (most obviously Rumours) into the overshoot/outlier category.

Mirage and Tusk had their hits but not in the quantity of those other three albums.

Two hits is like "Oh, that's nice," but three or more is like "I should just buy that whole album."

Albums with 3 or more big radio hits
White album: SYLM, Rhiannon, OMH
Rumours: Dreams, GYOW, YMLF, Don't Stop
Tango: Little Lies, Big Love, Seven Wonders

Albums with 2 big radio hits
Tusk: Tusk, Sara
Mirage: Hold Me, Gypsy (and in some countries, Oh Diane)

[bombaysaffires]

See, I thought they were redirecting people, getting them hooked on the chemistry of the Rumours five to buy tickets for the tour. They were hoping no one would think too hard about Lindsey being gone…

I think we have a winner! Tell them what they've won!! :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

I definitely think the 75, 77, and 87 albums reached a certain bestseller threshold on account of the sheer quantity of timeless radio hits those albums contained (ie separate to the narrative context), although obviously the narrative aspects further propelled them (most obviously Rumours) into the overshoot/outlier category.

Mirage and Tusk had their hits but not in the quantity of those other three albums.

Two hits is like "Oh, that's nice," but three or more is like "I should just buy that whole album."

Albums with 3 or more big radio hits
White album: SYLM, Rhiannon, OMH
Rumours: Dreams, GYOW, YMLF, Don't Stop
Tango: Little Lies, Big Love, Seven Wonders

Albums with 2 big radio hits
Tusk: Tusk, Sara
Mirage: Hold Me, Gypsy (and in some countries, Oh Diane)

Everywhere is a huge hit on Tango too.

[HomerMcvie]

Everywhere is a huge hit on Tango too.

In my heart and mind, Think About Me was also a hit!

[aleuzzi]

Everywhere is a huge hit on Tango too.

Absolutely.

It reached 14 in the US and 4 in the UK, the highest charting hit in the latter for this record. It was released third in both countries. The band (or the label) chose the same release pattern as Rumours— Lindsey, Stevie, Christine, Christine.

[DownOnRodeo]

Everywhere is a huge hit on Tango too.

Oops, yes thanks John.
There I go acting peculiarly again!

[HomerMcvie]

Oops, yes thanks John.
There I go acting peculiarly again!

That's why you're his temporary one.

[Macfan4life]

Everywhere was a huge hit in Europe. Besides the UK it was #1 in Belgium, #2 in Ireland, and #3 in the Netherlands.

There is a youtube video of On With The Show tour in Ireland. The crowd is singing along to Everywhere so loud that its almost overpowering the band. Gives me goosebumps.

Rumour has it that word of Lindsey's quitting the band got to Belgium sort of late due to a newspaper strike in 1987. Once the news broke, it propelled Everywhere to the #1 spot and remains Fleetwood Mac's only #1 song in Belgium.

The Mac's highest charting single Dreams in the states only charted at #25 in Belgium and #8 in the Netherlands. Everywhere was mopping the floor with Dreams in Europe.

[aleuzzi]

That's why you're his temporary one.

or his little demon…

[bwboy]

Rumour has it that word of Lindsey's quitting the band got to Belgium sort of late due to a newspaper strike in 1987. Once the news broke, it propelled Everywhere to the #1 spot and remains Fleetwood Mac's only #1 song in Belgium.

Oh boy. What you just said here pretty much makes Steve’s point about how Lindsey leaving FM helped propel Little Lies to be a big hit. You just said about Everywhere what he said about Little Lies.

[jbrownsjr]

Everywhere was a huge hit in Europe. Besides the UK it was #1 in Belgium, #2 in Ireland, and #3 in the Netherlands.

There is a youtube video of On With The Show tour in Ireland. The crowd is singing along to Everywhere so loud that its almost overpowering the band. Gives me goosebumps.

Rumour has it that word of Lindsey's quitting the band got to Belgium sort of late due to a newspaper strike in 1987. Once the news broke, it propelled Everywhere to the #1 spot and remains Fleetwood Mac's only #1 song in Belgium.

The Mac's highest charting single Dreams in the states only charted at #25 in Belgium and #8 in the Netherlands. Everywhere was mopping the floor with Dreams in Europe.

Is this another dig, or are you serious? I didn't know this information. "newspaper strike" pushed me into believing this. :shrug:

[Macfan4life]

Oh boy. What you just said here pretty much makes Steve’s point about how Lindsey leaving FM helped propel Little Lies to be a big hit. You just said about Everywhere what he said about Little Lies.
Exactly.
These hits would never have been successful without Lindsey leaving. Too bad Christine's leaving did not have the same effect on Say You Will.

[jbrownsjr]

Exactly.
These hits would never have been successful without Lindsey leaving. Too bad Christine's leaving did not have the same effect on Say You Will.

Damn it!! I fell for it. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Everywhere was a huge hit in Europe. Besides the UK it was #1 in Belgium, #2 in Ireland, and #3 in the Netherlands.

There is a youtube video of On With The Show tour in Ireland. The crowd is singing along to Everywhere so loud that its almost overpowering the band. Gives me goosebumps.

Rumour has it that word of Lindsey's quitting the band got to Belgium sort of late due to a newspaper strike in 1987. Once the news broke, it propelled Everywhere to the #1 spot and remains Fleetwood Mac's only #1 song in Belgium.

The Mac's highest charting single Dreams in the states only charted at #25 in Belgium and #8 in the Netherlands. Everywhere was mopping the floor with Dreams in Europe.
Wow, the lengths you’re going with this are ridiculous.

You’re saying that a longtime guitarist/singer/songwriter/producer, who’d just had a top five hit months earlier, leaving one of the biggest rock bands in the world while they’re actively promoting a successful album, becoming one of the top stories in the music press, had zero impact on the success of the single that was released less than two weeks after the announcement, that the song and album didn’t get a bump because of any of that.

You’d have to be intentionally obtuse to believe that.

[HomerMcvie]

Exactly.
These hits would never have been successful without Lindsey leaving. Too bad Christine's leaving did not have the same effect on Say You Will.

That's because SYW is a TURD. If they'd cut it down to 10 songs, it would have done much better. AND they were just too old for a big album(although the Eagles LROOE debuted at #1, four years after SYW. Face it, the Eagles are more popular than our band).

[Villavic]

I ask, was the success of a song (especially in the 80s) based mostly on the fans, or the general public? I think the second. And I'm sure a lot of people who listened to Little Lies or Everywhere on the radio that year didn't know about the complete lineup of the band or its history. It was 1987, not 1977 and in 10 years many things change.

So I don't think Lindsey's departure benefit the popularity of Christine's songs so much.

[HomerMcvie]

I ask, was the success of a song (especially in the 80s) based mostly on the fans, or the general public? I think the second. And I'm sure a lot of people who listened to Little Lies or Everywhere on the radio that year didn't know about the complete lineup of the band or its history. It was 1987, not 1977 and in 10 years many things change.

So I don't think Lindsey's departure benefit the popularity of Christine's songs so much.

I agree.

Before the infernets, I'd think most people didn't have a clue what was going on. I saw the Tango tour(with the farthest back seats in the house). For the first few songs, I couldn't even tell that it wasn't Lindsey. Ahh, to be young and dumb again....

[Villavic]

I agree.

I couldn't even tell that it wasn't Lindsey. Ahh, to be young and dumb again....

Confess the real reason (cheers!!! :lol:;) )

[bwboy]

Before the infernets, I'd think most people didn't have a clue what was going on. I saw the Tango tour(with the farthest back seats in the house). For the first few songs, I couldn't even tell that it wasn't Lindsey. Ahh, to be young and dumb again....

I remember finding out Lindsey quit when I read about it on the front page of USA Today’s Entertainment section. It got a ton of press in the papers, probably shows like Entertainment Tonight, and certainly it was talked about on MTV and VH 1. MTV even had a weekly ‘news’ program dedicated to news about music. And everytime a Vee Jay (remember that term lol) introduced Little Lies, his departure was mentioned. Even pre-internet, it was big news.

[HomerMcvie]

I remember finding out Lindsey quit when I read about it on the front page of USA Today’s Entertainment section. It got a ton of press in the papers, probably shows like Entertainment Tonight, and certainly it was talked about on MTV and VH 1. MTV even had a weekly ‘news’ program dedicated to news about music. And everytime a Vee Jay (remember that term lol) introduced Little Lies, his departure was mentioned. Even pre-internet, it was big news.

We lived in the land of no cable, so the 3 major networks(and one independent station) were all we could see. So I didn't know.

And, they dressed Billy like Lindsey, so from 500' away(or however far it is to the back of an arena), it wasn't easy to tell, at first.

And as I've mentioned before, I'd walked away from being obsessed with FM at that point(people in college thought they were a dinosaur band, even back then), so I wasn't hanging on every word about them, like I was in the Tusk/Mirage era. But I still didn't want to miss the show(and not tell my cool friends about it).

[SteveMacD]

I remember finding out Lindsey quit when I read about it on the front page of USA Today’s Entertainment section. It got a ton of press in the papers, probably shows like Entertainment Tonight, and certainly it was talked about on MTV and VH 1. MTV even had a weekly ‘news’ program dedicated to news about music. And everytime a Vee Jay (remember that term lol) introduced Little Lies, his departure was mentioned. Even pre-internet, it was big news.

That’s how I remember it. Vividly. Like it was yesterday. I remember Kurt Loder breaking the news on MTV.

They also did that on VH-1. VH-1 would have Fleetwood Mac Weekends every few months where they’d show clips of pressers before the videos, including the press conference where Billy and Rick were introduced.

[SteveMacD]

And, they dressed Billy like Lindsey, so from 500' away(or however far it is to the back of an arena), it wasn't easy to tell, at first.

Even made him play a white Gibson Les Paul Custom Lite.

[HomerMcvie]

Even made him play a white Gibson Les Paul Custom Lite.

No doubt Slimy Mick's slimy idea.

[Villavic]

No doubt Lindsey's departure was huge new in radios and MTV. But still, I don't think that was fully noticed by everyone. I remember that when Benjamin Orr died, some friends confused him with Rick Ocasek, they did not distinguish which songs were sung by one or the other, I mean not watching the videos by just hearing the names.

[jbrownsjr]

That’s how I remember it. Vividly. Like it was yesterday. I remember Kurt Loder breaking the news on MTV.

They also did that on VH-1. VH-1 would have Fleetwood Mac Weekends every few months where they’d show clips of pressers before the videos, including the press conference where Billy and Rick were introduced.

I do remember Mark Goodman breaking the news. (I think that was his name). And I also remember Martha Quinn stating that the video seemed to cover Lindsey's departure in some mystical way.

Question: Did they know he was leaving when they shot that video?

[SteveMacD]

But still, I don't think that was fully noticed by everyone.
But that’s a disingenuous standard. I’m saying that it generated more interest in and curiosity about the band, which led to more sales. I’m saying it made a song that would have been a top 10-15 hit into a top 5 hit.

I don’t see how that’s remotely controversial.

[SteveMacD]

I do remember Mark Goodman breaking the news. (I think that was his name). And I also remember Martha Quinn stating that the video seemed to cover Lindsey's departure in some mystical way.

Question: Did they know he was leaving when they shot that video?

Doubtful. The video producer likely modified the storyboard to make the footage they had tell a story after learning Lindsey left. Probably not too hard since it was already a breakup song.

[Macfan4life]

Chris went on the record in 1987 that she knew Lindsey was leaving while writing Little Lies and the song while a break up song the little lies were about Lindsey. She knew he was not happy but always danced around his involvement with the band post Tango. The little lies were Lindsey's. Never concrete in his future plans and always coy. When I first joined the board many doubted that story until I posted it from youtube here on the Ledge.
Maybe the band should have released Welcome To The Room Sara and the music industry would have made it a hit because Lindsey left.
I am sort of surprised at the lack of support Chris's Tango songs have on this board. Clearly they were the best singles and were always going to chart the highest. Yet few defend the songs and buy into a conspiracy that they were not really that great and Lindsey leaving somehow did something. Its beyond laughable what people believe. The ground is uncertain and a Landslide is happening. First Little Lies would not be a hit. Now it would only be a top 15 song. Maybe in a few months do we hear top 10? Chris had the biggest hit on Mirage. Why would it be surprising she would have the biggest hit on Tango?

[bwboy]

I have consistently said pretty much since I joined this forum that Christine was at her peak with Tango and BTM, and plenty of other folks here have said things like that as well. Little Lies, Isn’t It Midnight, As Long As a you Follow, Save Me, Love Shines, Do You Know, Everywhere, Mystified, Skies the Limit, Heart of Stone, Behind the Mask- not one bad song in the bunch!

[SteveMacD]

Maybe the band should have released Welcome To The Room Sara and the music industry would have made it a hit because Lindsey left.
Again, twisting what was said.

As it is, the highlighted songs on the album stickers were Big Love, Seven Wonders, Little Lies, and Family Man, so I don’t think it was obvious Lindsey was leaving while they were still actively promoting the album. Obviously, they bumped up “Everywhere” because Lindsey quit and it didn’t make sense to promote one of his songs while the band was touring, especially given the success of “Little Lies.”

I am sort of surprised at the lack of support Chris's Tango songs have on this board.
Who doesn’t support them? Nobody’s said anything negative about them.

Clearly they were the best singles and were always going to chart the highest.
That’s never clear. I’d say “Think About Me” was a better song and should have been a bigger single than “Tusk,” but here we are.

“Go Insane” and “Big Love” are practically interchangeable. One hit #23 and one hit #5. What’s the difference? “Big Love” was the first song from the first Fleetwood Mac album in five years and had a really cool, quirky video that featured the band. Would you say BL is 18 spots better than GI?

Yet few defend the songs and buy into a conspiracy that they were not really that great and Lindsey leaving somehow did something.
Because it did. It’s this great little thing called publicity.

First Little Lies would not be a hit. Now it would only be a top 15 song.
I never said it wouldn’t be a hit. Quit making $h!t up.

Chris had the biggest hit on Mirage. Why would it be surprising she would have the biggest hit on Tango?
Nobody said it’s surprising. Again, you’re making things up to be overly dramatic.

[DownOnRodeo]

“Go Insane” and “Big Love” are practically interchangeable. One hit #23 and one hit #5. What’s the difference? “Big Love” was the first song from the first Fleetwood Mac album in five years and had a really cool, quirky video that featured the band. Would you say BL is 18 spots better than GI?

Not "better" but "more catchy / sharper / radio friendly / contemporary," same with Think About Me vs Tusk. That muddy, grinding distorted guitar running through Think About Me does not work in its favor; there's a garage band quality to the production, and Go Insane sounds like a video game. The tempo of Think About Me and Go Insane are a tad languid--compare the spunkier Tusk and Big Love.

[HomerMcvie]

That muddy, grinding distorted guitar running through Think About Me does not work in its favor; there's a garage band quality to the production

That grinding guitar is what I love most about it.:mad:

It's my FAVORITE FM song.:mad:

[jbrownsjr]

That grinding guitar is what I love most about it.:mad:

It's my FAVORITE FM song.:mad:

I too love Think About Me. The opening makes me feel good.
I mean what can you say Homie, it's not against the law. Woooo!

[SteveMacD]

That grinding guitar is what I love most about it.:mad:

It's my FAVORITE FM song.:mad:
It was the perfect post-punk/new wave sound.

[HomerMcvie]

It was the perfect post-punk/new wave sound.

It truly was! I love Lindsey's little "oww"s in it. I usually look in the rear view mirror while driving, and do the owws with him.:D:wavey::o

[HomerMcvie]

I too love Think About Me. The opening makes me feel good.
I mean what can you say Homie, it's not against the law. Woooo!

It does make you feel good. It has never come on in my life, that I didn't CRANK the volume for the world to hear! F*CK YEAH, Y'ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

[aleuzzi]

No doubt Lindsey's departure was huge new in radios and MTV. But still, I don't think that was fully noticed by everyone. I remember that when Benjamin Orr died, some friends confused him with Rick Ocasek, they did not distinguish which songs were sung by one or the other, I mean not watching the videos by just hearing the names.

Exactly. The bulk of the people taken with Little Lies weren’t typical Mac fans. They were the general public.

[SteveMacD]

Exactly. The bulk of the people taken with Little Lies weren’t typical Mac fans. They were the general public.

Exactly my point, though. The story was big news and it was everywhere in the music press. The Mac fans already bought the album by that point. It was people like me who might have been curious about the band but didn’t know the back story that bought the album around that time. The guy who’d recently had a massive hit with Fleetwood Mac just quit. Gotta check that out!

[aleuzzi]

Exactly my point, though. The story was big news and it was everywhere in the music press. The Mac fans already bought the album by that point. It was people like me who might have been curious about the band but didn’t know the back story that bought the album around that time. The guy who’d recently had a massive hit with Fleetwood Mac just quit. Gotta check that out!

Not my point at all. The opposite actually. People heard the song, hummed along with it and thought it was cool. Lindsey’s quitting wasn’t exactly what we would today call viral. It was underplayed by the band and the news outlets tread carefully. So, to quote Dave Mason, we just disagree.

[bwboy]

Lindsey’s quitting wasn’t exactly what we would today call viral. It was underplayed by the band and the news outlets tread carefully. So, to quote Dave Mason, we just disagree.

I agree news of Lindsey’s leaving wasn’t viral, because it couldn’t have been back then, but where you and I disagree is where you say it was underplayed by the band. It was definitely not underplayed- Fleetwood Mac did a ton of press the second they signed Billy and Rick up. They were very open about Lindsey leaving- probably because they didn’t want fans to think he was fired. Lindsey was mum but FM did all the talking. There was no “put a hat on Billy and no one will notice it’s not Lindsey.” That’s disrespectful to Lindsey, for any fans to think most concert goers wouldn’t notice it wasn’t Lindsey on stage. FM had a huge press conference introducing Billy and Rick to the public, they took out full page ads in all the major newspapers promoting the tour with a big picture of Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Billy, and Rick and the tour dates, and there were big, long articles in music press magazines.

No, Lindsey’s departure definitely wasn’t underplayed by the band.

[Macfan4life]

Hold Me was only a hit because of the limelight of Bella Donna. Stevie leaving Fleetwood Mac for her smash album created a huge music buzz. I remember it was in all the papers and on the radio that after her smash album she was already back in the Mac. Her album was still high on the charts still charting singles when Hold Me was released. Her last single from Bella Donna was released in April 1982 and Hold Me was released just 2 months later. I remember on the radio they would introduce Hold Me as the latest single from Stevie's band Fleetwood Mac. Many thought the Mac jumped the shark after Tusk and then Stevie had this HUGE solo album. People were shocked that she was back in the Mac so fast. Even Stevie said she never mentioned Bella Donna in France because she did not want to put it in their face. All that drama, news media, and limelight from #1 Bella Donna made Hold Me a huge hit. Without that, it probably would have charted Love in store territory or maybe #18 or #19. But all the drama if Stevie was leaving the Mac after her huge album still riding high on the charts pumped Hold Me to be one of the biggest hits of 1982.

[bwboy]

This is so silly. I am not going to engage this nonsense anymore.

I’m glad you changed your mind, Macfan4life!

[HomerMcvie]

Hold Me was only a hit because of the limelight of Bella Donna. Stevie leaving Fleetwood Mac for her smash album created a huge music buzz. I remember it was in all the papers and on the radio that after her smash album she was already back in the Mac. Her album was still high on the charts still charting singles when Hold Me was released. Her last single from Bella Donna was released in April 1982 and Hold Me was released just 2 months later. I remember on the radio they would introduce Hold Me as the latest single from Stevie's band Fleetwood Mac. Many thought the Mac jumped the shark after Tusk and then Stevie had this HUGE solo album. People were shocked that she was back in the Mac so fast. Even Stevie said she never mentioned Bella Donna in France because she did not want to put it in their face. All that drama, news media, and limelight from #1 Bella Donna made Hold Me a huge hit. Without that, it probably would have charted Love in store territory or maybe #18 or #19. But all the drama if Stevie was leaving the Mac after her huge album still riding high on the charts pumped Hold Me to be one of the biggest hits of 1982.
Correlation DOES NOT imply causation. I'm shocked that YOU would say that about Christine's song. RUDE.

[Macfan4life]

Correlation DOES NOT imply causation. I'm shocked that YOU would say that about Christine's song. RUDE.
Stevie going solo in 1981 was a much bigger and dramatic story than Lindsey deciding to not tour with the band in 1987 and quit. Most people would not even know who Lindsey was except core fans. In 1981 everyone knew who Stevie Nicks was. Endless stories of her "leaving" the band and even more surprised she went back. Without her mad success and endless stories of what was to become of Fleetwood Mac after Bella Donna dragged Hold Me to be a monster hit. It would have bogged down at #18 at the most.

[SteveMacD]

Most people would not even know who Lindsey was except core fans.

In 1987?

Lindsey just had a top 5 hit with Fleetwood Mac a few months earlier and Fleetwood Mac was actively promoting a successful album. Look at all of the video interviews still lingering on YT from 1987. Even if they didn’t know his name, they knew the singer/songwriter/guitarist from Fleetwood Mac, who was in the two videos that were still in heavy rotation at the time, one being a massive hit he sang lead vocals on, just quit.

You keep trying to draw half-cocked parallels, but none of those situations were the same.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie going solo in 1981 was a much bigger and dramatic story than Lindsey deciding to not tour with the band in 1987 and quit. Most people would not even know who Lindsey was except core fans. In 1981 everyone knew who Stevie Nicks was. Endless stories of her "leaving" the band and even more surprised she went back. Without her mad success and endless stories of what was to become of Fleetwood Mac after Bella Donna dragged Hold Me to be a monster hit. It would have bogged down at #18 at the most.

S.P.E.C.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. should not be presented as fact.





NEXT!!!!:lol:

[SteveMacD]

Nobody outside of core fans knew who John or Christine McVie were. Why would anyone care that they were divorcing? People were only buying those albums because the songs were great.

[HomerMcvie]

Nobody outside of core fans knew who John or Christine McVie were. Why would anyone care that they were divorcing? People were only buying those albums because the songs were great.

Agreed. NOBODY would have given AF.

A shipper I have never been.

Being a FM fan is like being in the Army.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[SteveMacD]

Agreed. NOBODY would have given AF.

Clearly. Obviously GYOW, Dreams, Don’t Stop, and YMLF were so great they just sold themselves, really. Nobody cared that the personal relationships within the band had turned into a four alarm $h!tshow. At that stage in their careers, nobody outside of fans even knew who they were.

[Villavic]

I'm a huge fan since 1982. My first album I bought was Live. But I had a copy of Mirage, taped from a friend's album, too. Later I got the other albums (Rumours lineup).

I knew the names of the 5 members, Rumours lineup again. But it was until 1992, when I read Mick's first book, that I finally learned John and Christine were a divorced couple; until then I always wondered if they were a couple, or brother & sister, cousins, etc. And until then I hardly knew there was a previous lineup (I didn't know that there were several.

So I don't know if outside fans nobody knew who John or Chris were, but yes I agree sure a lot of people didn't.

[SteveMacD]

I'm a huge fan since 1982. My first album I bought was Live. But I had a copy of Mirage, taped from a friend's album, too. Later I got the other albums (Rumours lineup).

I knew the names of the 5 members, Rumours lineup again. But it was until 1992, when I read Mick's first book, that I finally learned John and Christine were a divorced couple; until then I always wondered if they were a couple, or brother & sister, cousins, etc. And until then I hardly knew there was a previous lineup (I didn't know that there were several.

So I don't know if outside fans nobody knew who John or Chris were, but yes I agree sure a lot of people didn't.

Which is why “Rumours” initially shipped with 800,000 albums, over double what the band had been selling not even two years prior, and was selling about 800,000 a week for months. Pretty impressive for a band nobody outside of fans knew anything about.

[SteveMacD]

Obviously nobody knew who they were, which is why “Sentimental Lady” was a Top 10 hit in 1978, six years after the original version went nowhere… Hmmm…

Anyway, nobody knew Bob Welch had been in Fleetwood Mac. Hell, nobody outside of fans knew who Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie were, much less that they played on the song. Of course, nobody knew who Bob Welch was for that matter… Hmmm…

It was such a great song on its own, except…when it wasn’t??? Hmmm…

[aleuzzi]

I agree news of Lindsey’s leaving wasn’t viral, because it couldn’t have been back then, but where you and I disagree is where you say it was underplayed by the band. It was definitely not underplayed- Fleetwood Mac did a ton of press the second they signed Billy and Rick up. They were very open about Lindsey leaving- probably because they didn’t want fans to think he was fired. Lindsey was mum but FM did all the talking. There was no “put a hat on Billy and no one will notice it’s not Lindsey.” That’s disrespectful to Lindsey, for any fans to think most concert goers wouldn’t notice it wasn’t Lindsey on stage. FM had a huge press conference introducing Billy and Rick to the public, they took out full page ads in all the major newspapers promoting the tour with a big picture of Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Billy, and Rick and the tour dates, and there were big, long articles in music press magazines.

No, Lindsey’s departure definitely wasn’t underplayed by the band.

Disagree. I remember this first hand and couldn’t believe how they were trying to carry on without really talking about it. Even later, when Mick spilled the beans in his book about Lindsey quitting, the enormous drama of the event was undermined by the sentiment that “no one really asked ‘Where’s Lindsey?”’ (when he spoke about the Tango Tour.) They did his songs, replicated his parts, but didn’t really call attention to his absence or the lack of band chemistry that remained because of it. Was it a big deal? Of course it was—to FM fans, but my comments stemmed from the claim that Little Lies charted as high as it did by benefitting from news of Lindsey’s leaving, and that is just not true. People sang the words, hummed along to the melody, and even today it is one of the band’s most definitive hits. It would not have survived beyond 1987 if its enormous success hinged on a publicity stunt.

[SteveMacD]

Disagree. I remember this first hand and couldn’t believe how they were trying to carry on without really talking about it.

Disagreed. I remember this first hand watching MTV religiously and reading countless articles at the time.

The reason nobody asked “Where’s Lindsey” is because the story had been thoroughly discussed in the press.

Billy and Rick even did the Today Show.

[aleuzzi]

Disagreed. I remember this first hand watching MTV religiously and reading countless articles at the time.

The reason nobody asked “Where’s Lindsey” is because the story had been thoroughly discussed in the press.

Billy and Rick even did the Today Show.

I remember some press. But it didn’t strike me as catastrophic, which Lindsey’s leaving really was. I found it all very underplayed.

We could go in circles about this. I guess I don’t care that much.

But to say Little Lies was the huge hit it became because it benefited from whatever press Lindsey’s leaving afforded is just not true. Sorry. The song was killer, and people without a care in the world about the band’s dramas were loving it.

[SteveMacD]

I remember some press. But it didn’t strike me as catastrophic, which Lindsey’s leaving really was. I found it all very underplayed.

We could go in circles about this. I guess I don’t care that much.

But to say Little Lies was the huge hit it became because it benefited from whatever press Lindsey’s leaving afforded is just not true. Sorry. The song was killer, and people without a care in the world about the band’s dramas were loving it.

I guess it all depends on where you were at the time. I’d just turned thirteen and was glued to MTV that summer. I knew nothing about them aside from vaguely recalling Stevie Nicks was in the band (which “Seven Wonders” obviously confirmed).


Anyway, that’s exactly what that story was for me. That's what piqued my interest to the point where I had to buy the album AND the single. So, to dismiss it, to me, is kind of out there.

[HomerMcvie]

I guess it all depends on where you were at the time. I’d just turned thirteen and was glued to MTV that summer. I knew nothing about them aside from vaguely recalling Stevie Nicks was in the band (which “Seven Wonders” obviously confirmed).


Anyway, that’s exactly what that story was for me. That's what piqued my interest to the point where I had to buy the album AND the single. So, to dismiss it, to me, is kind of out there.

Well I was 13 when my older cousin moved in with her 8 tracks, and I FELL IN LOVE WITH RUMOURS. I didn't know about their f*cking relationships, or cheating, or whatever. I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THAT SH*T. It was all about the music. Nothing else.

People get too wrapped up in the shipping aspect of their career. I just want and like good music.

[SteveMacD]

Well I was 13 when my older cousin moved in with her 8 tracks, and I FELL IN LOVE WITH RUMOURS. I didn't know about their f*cking relationships, or cheating, or whatever. I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THAT SH*T. It was all about the music. Nothing else.

People get too wrapped up in the shipping aspect of their career. I just want and like good music.

Which is as it should be, but even Lindsey understood that at some point the massive success Rumours went beyond the actual music.

[HomerMcvie]

Which is as it should be, but even Lindsey understood that at some point the massive success Rumours went beyond the actual music.

Which is why most $tevie fanatics bug the sh*t out of me. Because ~the persona~ is more important than the music. $he can fart out OSOTM, and they still lap that crap up like it's filet mignon. Trust me, it ain't! "Oh, but $he's twirling round and round, and I just LOVE her!!!!".

[SteveMacD]

Which is why most $tevie fanatics bug the sh*t out of me. Because ~the persona~ is more important than the music. $he can fart out OSOTM, and they still lap that crap up like it's filet mignon. Trust me, it ain't! "Oh, but $he's twirling round and round, and I just LOVE her!!!!".

You know I don’t disagree in the slightest on that. Especially OSOTM Stevie. I doubt many were happier than me when she left and Bekka joined. I never got that appeal. However, it’s real.

[HomerMcvie]

You know I don’t disagree in the slightest on that. Especially OSOTM Stevie. I doubt many were happier than me when she left and Bekka joined. I never got that appeal. However, it’s real.

I love me some Bella Donna and Wild Heart $tevie.

The end.:laugh:

[SteveMacD]

I love me some Bella Donna and Wild Heart $tevie.

The end.:laugh:

Shipper. :laugh:

[DownOnRodeo]

Which is as it should be, but even Lindsey understood that at some point the massive success Rumours went beyond the actual music.

He understood it too well. I feel the "outlier/overshoot" portion of the Rumours sales, or at least the endless and still ongoing press attention on the narraitve drama, gave him a bit of a complex, such as making him unable to see that most people who like the songs like them sufficiently on their musical merits alone.

[HomerMcvie]

Shipper. :laugh:

Just like the Rumours couple's drama, I couldn't care less.

It all comes down to the songs for me.

At the beach, I kick sand in the 90 lb shipper's faces.:wavey:

[aleuzzi]

Just like the Rumours couple's drama, I couldn't care less.

It all comes down to the songs for me.

:

Amen! I never cared who was with whom or who was breaking up or who hated Lindsey that week. When I heard “Gypsy” on mtv and the radio, I felt marvelous, all aglow from the magic of the band’s collective talents—their sound. Whenever I heard “SYLM” I felt the joy and tingle people feel when they’re infatuated with each other…that song was one huge serotonin lift.

Little Lies—I loved the catchiness of it, and the cynical edge. It’s a love song about disavowal, sung to an unforgettable melody. I remember hearing it and thinking “the band is back”—a feeling I did not get as intensely from the other three singles…

[HomerMcvie]

Amen! I never cared who was with whom or who was breaking up or who hated Lindsey that week. When I heard “Gypsy” on mtv and the radio, I felt marvelous, all aglow from the magic of the band’s collective talents—their sound. Whenever I heard “SYLM” I felt the joy and tingle people feel when they’re infatuated with each other…that song was one huge serotonin lift.

Little Lies—I loved the catchiness of it, and the cynical edge. It’s a love song about disavowal, sung to an unforgettable melody. I remember hearing it and thinking “the band is back”—a feeling I did not get as intensely from the other three singles…
We should be called the Anti-shippers!

[SteveMacD]

I remember hearing it and thinking “the band is back”—a feeling I did not get as intensely from the other three singles…

It’s the one I can tell John McVie and Mick Fleetwood are definitely playing on.

[jbrownsjr]

The opening chords and Christine's keyboard parts give me goose bumps on Little Lies.

[David]

I feel the "outlier/overshoot" portion of the Rumours sales, or at least the endless and still ongoing press attention on the narraitve drama, gave him a bit of a complex, such as making him unable to see that most people who like the songs like them sufficiently on their musical merits alone.
I think we tend to assume that the widespread interest in the people in the band was always an interest in whether those romantic relationships were crumbling. That grouping of Mac was interesting as a configuration of people and personalities. Even if they had all been happily married, they would have connected with the public more as people than, say, the Eagles or Jethro Tull or Heart (whose lead singers were beloved but whose bandmates were nondescript as personalities). But Mac decided to feed the press romantic problems for years and kept that angle alive. Some of the savvier writers starting in about 1980 even started rhetorically asking readers why Lindsey and Stevie hadn’t quit talking about each other in that way because it was several years later (see the New Musical Express writer in the book Fleetwood Mac on Fleetwood Mac, published in 2016).

In my own case, apart from trying to find little romantic “clues” in the songs, I never cared much about the breakups or even thought the breakups made for a fascinating perspective on how the band could keep working together. But I did very much always glom on to the five people because I thought they were all very attractive and very odd, and I loved hearing them talk about things or the character-driven way they looked. There was charisma in the five of them splayed out on a page spread in a rock magazine. It can’t be articulated or quantified all that successfully. (It’s like the much older question of what made a movie star a star.) If I had hated their music in 1978, I still would have found them unusual and attractive in a magazine or onstage. I think lots of people had that reaction to Fleetwood Mac, too.

[jbrownsjr]

One could argue Little Lies is the best song on Tango. Certainly, the best hit.

[aleuzzi]

I think we tend to assume that the widespread interest in the people in the band was always an interest in whether those romantic relationships were crumbling. That grouping of Mac was interesting as a configuration of people and personalities. Even if they had all been happily married, they would have connected with the public more as people than, say, the Eagles or Jethro Tull or Heart (whose lead singers were beloved but whose bandmates were nondescript as personalities). But Mac decided to feed the press romantic problems for years and kept that angle alive. Some of the savvier writers starting in about 1980 even started rhetorically asking readers why Lindsey and Stevie hadn’t quit talking about each other in that way because it was several years later (see the New Musical Express writer in the book Fleetwood Mac on Fleetwood Mac, published in 2016).

In my own case, apart from trying to find little romantic “clues” in the songs, I never cared much about the breakups or even thought the breakups made for a fascinating perspective on how the band could keep working together. But I did very much always glom on to the five people because I thought they were all very attractive and very odd, and I loved hearing them talk about things or the character-driven way they looked. There was charisma in the five of them splayed out on a page spread in a rock magazine. It can’t be articulated or quantified all that successfully. (It’s like the much older question of what made a movie star a star.) If I had hated their music in 1978, I still would have found them unusual and attractive in a magazine or onstage. I think lots of people had that reaction to Fleetwood Mac, too.

Yes. It’s hard to find a band shot of them all together that isn’t compelling. I remember watching the Little Lies video and feeling some annoyance that they weren’t all together in one space—but then that 2-second moment at the climax of the video when they are (and Christine isn’t wearing that silly hat) was so exciting. All of the features or characteristics that make any individual member annoying or bland or ridiculous somehow becomes attractive or enticing when all five of them are in the same space.

[jbrownsjr]

Yes. It’s hard to find a band shot of them all together that isn’t compelling. I remember watching the Little Lies video and feeling some annoyance that they weren’t all together in one space—but then that 2-second moment at the climax of the video when they are (and Christine isn’t wearing that silly hat) was so exciting. All of the features or characteristics that make any individual member annoying or bland or ridiculous somehow becomes attractive or enticing when all five of them are in the same space.

I love the way they dance and sing, too. Especially Stevie and Christine.

Stevie does that arm shuffle alternating back and forth. Christine does a kind of head shake.

[Macfan4life]

One could argue Little Lies is the best song on Tango. Certainly, the best hit.
Where were you 6 pages ago when it was being described as a B list scrub that was predisposed to being a minor hit?

I remember driving home from Century III Mall in West Mifflin, PA the day after Tango was released. I was driving home listening the cassette in the car. The first time I heard the song, I was puzzled why it was not the lead single from the album.
In the mid to late 80s, the singles were always first track side two or one. It was given the prime location to spring from on the album.
The band has always alternated the lead single from an album between Chris and Lindsey. Since Chris had the lead single off Mirage, it was Lindsey's turn. Since the creation of Tango was Tusk like with the bulk of work from Lindsey, I see why he got the lead off just like on Tusk.

[HomerMcvie]

Where were you 6 pages ago when it was being described as a B list scrub that was predisposed to being a minor hit?

I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties.....






:lol::mad::lol::mad::lol::mad::lol:

[jbrownsjr]

I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties.....






:lol::mad::lol::mad::lol::mad::lol:

Macfan was doing a JohnL. The discussion was closed and wasn't talking about it anymore for 5 pages!! :laugh::xoxo:

[jbrownsjr]

Where were you 6 pages ago when it was being described as a B list scrub that was predisposed to being a minor hit?



I don't think that's exactly what Steve said. He was merely saying it was logical for Lindsey's departure to have helped the album and single. At least that was my interpretation of his Blist/scrub/predisposition/minor/hit speakathon.:p

[jbrownsjr]

What I will say is this: It's pretty incredible for Christine to have the 3rd and 4th singles on Tango and have the album survive that long.

I hear Little Lies and Everywhere much more today on the radio, where I rarely hear Seven or Big Love.

[HomerMcvie]

Macfan was doing a JohnL. The discussion was closed and wasn't talking about it anymore for 5 pages!! :laugh::xoxo:

I always forget which John... Is he the one who comes here about every 3 months, RANTING AND RAVING, and calling me Satan, then disappears for another 3 months?:shrug:

If so, I get a kick out of him!:D

[bwboy]

Where were you 6 pages ago when it was being described as a B list scrub that was predisposed to being a minor hit?

I remember driving home from Century III Mall in West Mifflin, PA the day after Tango was released. I was driving home listening the cassette in the car. The first time I heard the song, I was puzzled why it was not the lead single from the album.

I think it was smart of them to hold Little Lies for awhile, so they could time it with Lindsey’s departure. It added resonance to the drama, and helped draw attention to the single when he left… attention the song wouldn’t have gotten otherwise.

[jmn3]

One could argue Little Lies is the best song on Tango. Certainly, the best hit.

And one would be 100% spot on. It’s the best song on the album and anyone saying otherwise probably thinks Dreams is better than Go Your Own Way or Empire State is better than Hold Me and they’d be wrong about those too! :D

I didn’t know whatever the hell the rest of this thread turned into and the whole argument about timing and Lindsey and Little Lies gave me a headache.

[jbrownsjr]

And one would be 100% spot on. It’s the best song on the album and anyone saying otherwise probably thinks Dreams is better than Go Your Own Way or Empire State is better than Hold Me and they’d be wrong about those too! :D

I didn’t know whatever the hell the rest of this thread turned into and the whole argument about timing and Lindsey and Little Lies gave me a headache.

If I could turn the page, in time that I'd re-arrange just a thread or two.

[jbrownsjr]

I always forget which John... Is he the one who comes here about every 3 months, RANTING AND RAVING, and calling me Satan, then disappears for another 3 months?:shrug:

If so, I get a kick out of him!:D

Yes, I look forward to it every time!! :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, I look forward to it every time!! :laugh:

She can't control her temper, AT ALL! It's hilarious, actually.:lol:

[jmn3]

She can't control her temper, AT ALL! It's hilarious, actually.:lol:

This is the one that's like "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF LOSERS AND NOBODY COMES HERE ANYMORE" and all that? Rants on like four threads and then disappears again for 3-5 months?

My all time favorite here was gldstwmn or whatever her name was. She would get completely sauced, come in here, start absolute chaos with nonsensical gibberish, and then get banned.

[jbrownsjr]

This is the one that's like "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF LOSERS AND NOBODY COMES HERE ANYMORE" and all that? Rants on like four threads and then disappears again for 3-5 months?

My all time favorite here was gldstwmn or whatever her name was. She would get completely sauced, come in here, start absolute chaos with nonsensical gibberish, and then get banned.

Oh the Direct messages I would get from that one... oy:
laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

This is the one that's like "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF LOSERS AND NOBODY COMES HERE ANYMORE" and all that? Rants on like four threads and then disappears again for 3-5 months?

My all time favorite here was gldstwmn or whatever her name was. She would get completely sauced, come in here, start absolute chaos with nonsensical gibberish, and then get banned.

That's the guy!!!!:laugh:

Yeah, she was a mess. And was actually a mod! But you could see her posts get crazier, the later(drunker) in the night it was.

[SteveMacD]

I don't think that's exactly what Steve said. He was merely saying it was logical for Lindsey's departure to have helped the album and single.

This. That’s all I was ever saying. MTV and VH-1 wouldn’t stop talking about it whenever they played “Little Lies.”

Hell, that’s how I found out about Dorsey Burnette.

[SteveMacD]

One could argue Little Lies is the best song on Tango.

One could, although “Isn’t It Midnight” was better, IMO. Christine’s second guitar-rock song (behind “Morning Rain”).

[HomerMcvie]

Christine’s second guitar-rock song (behind “Morning Rain”).

One In A Million will always be my favorite rocking song of hers. That guitar figure during the chorus, and that B-3. BLISS!

[jbrownsjr]

On Tango: It changes, but I love the whole album.

1. Isn't It Midnight
2. Tango In The Night
3. Seven Wonders
4. Little Lies
5. You And I Part 1
6. Everywhere
7. Big Love
8. You And I Part 2
9. Mystified
10. Family Man
11. WTTRS
12. When I See You Again

[Villavic]

On Tango: It changes, but I love the whole album.

1. Isn't It Midnight
2. Tango In The Night
3. Seven Wonders
4. Little Lies
5. You And I Part 1
6. Everywhere
7. Big Love
8. You And I Part 2
9. Mystified
10. Family Man
11. WTTRS
12. When I See You Again

I agree about Caroline not included. I never like it that much.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree about Caroline not included. I never like it that much.

Oh... That was an accident. Caroline comes after Mystified.

[aleuzzi]

What I will say is this: It's pretty incredible for Christine to have the 3rd and 4th singles on Tango and have the album survive that long.

I hear Little Lies and Everywhere much more today on the radio, where I rarely hear Seven or Big Love.

The label was going with the exact same release pattern that they did with Rumours: Lindsey-Stevie-Christine-Christine. The difference, as you noted, is that this time the first two singles, while top ten and 20 singles respectively, were nowhere near as big as the fourth….

[jbrownsjr]

The label was going with the exact same release pattern that they did with Rumours: Lindsey-Stevie-Christine-Christine. The difference, as you noted, is that this time the first two singles, while top ten and 20 singles respectively, were nowhere near as big as the fourth….

Don't Stop was almost a number 1 hit. Would have been nice for Christine to get that slot.

[HomerMcvie]

Don't Stop was almost a number 1 hit. Would have been nice for Christine to get that slot.

She should have spun around like a drunken sailor a little more.

[jbrownsjr]

She should have spun around like a drunken sailor a little more.

Dreams was so boring live.

[bwboy]

The label was going with the exact same release pattern that they did with Rumours: Lindsey-Stevie-Christine-Christine. The difference, as you noted, is that this time the first two singles, while top ten and 20 singles respectively, were nowhere near as big as the fourth….

While I think the order was a coincidence, I do remember the press saying before Tango was released that it was “rumored” to be a remake of Rumours, and USA Today said Big Love was a remake of the Chain, Seven Wonders a remake of Dreams, Little Lies a remake of You Make Loving Fun, etc.

[jbrownsjr]

While I think the order was a coincidence, I do remember the press saying before Tango was released that it was “rumored” to be a remake of Rumours, and USA Today said Big Love was a remake of the Chain, Seven Wonders a remake of Dreams, Little Lies a remake of You Make Loving Fun, etc.

Was Everywhere, Oh Daddy?

[aleuzzi]

Don't Stop was almost a number 1 hit. Would have been nice for Christine to get that slot.

It was her closest shot. And that song was HUGE.

[aleuzzi]

While I think the order was a coincidence, I do remember the press saying before Tango was released that it was “rumored” to be a remake of Rumours, and USA Today said Big Love was a remake of the Chain, Seven Wonders a remake of Dreams, Little Lies a remake of You Make Loving Fun, etc.

I think it may have been coincidence, too, though it’s always been at the forefront of my mind, given the band’s ambition to ascend to their highest height. And wow, the press got that wrong—none of those singles is a remake of the said antecedent.

Big Love does have some of that tangly guitar we heard on World Turning and The Chain, though this time electric—but that’s it. It sounds really connected with Go Insane. Little Lies bears more resemblance to SYLM than anything on Rumours, though with synths. Seven Wonders would have easily fit on The Wild Heart.

[bwboy]

I think it may have been coincidence, too, though it’s always been at the forefront of my mind, given the band’s ambition to ascend to their highest height. And wow, the press got that wrong—none of those singles is a remake of the said antecedent.

Big Love does have some of that tangly guitar we heard on World Turning and The Chain, though this time electric—but that’s it. It sounds really connected with Go Insane. Little Lies bears more resemblance to SYLM than anything on Rumours, though with synths. Seven Wonders would have easily fit on The Wild Heart.

I agree they were off about the “remakes.” But I will say that Big Love does resemble the Chain in the way it wraps up- you know, when Lindsey grunts in the song near the end. The climax, as it were, no innuendo intended. And even that is stretching it.

[bwboy]

Was Everywhere, Oh Daddy?

It didn’t say anything about Everywhere compared to anything on Rumours. Poor USA Today was wrong about the rumors. My guess is whoever told them Tango was a remake of Rumours probably was misinterpreted. More likely they meant it was a return to the pop sensibilities of Rumours, not a literal remake. But I do remember there was a lot of curiosity and anticipation about and for the album before it was released. There were also rumors that Stevie Nicks was approached by the producers of Miami Vice to play Don Johnson’s love interest. Anyone remember that? I believe the role later went to Melanie Griffith. Stevie said something in response like no way- I’m not an actress.” Later, Miami Vice used I’m So Afraid on the show.

[Macfan4life]

It was her closest shot. And that song was HUGE.
True
But when Hold Me sat for nearly 2 full months locked at #4, Hold Me probably would have been the one. Dreams has the highest charting single from the band but Hold Me was on the charts the longest. Dreams hit #1 and the following week fell to the bottom of the top 10. Hold Me had incredible endurance and if it wasn't for Eye of the Tiger, Abracadabra, and Hurts So Good, it would have been #1. Those songs blocked it.
Hold Me finished 1982 as one of the biggest songs of the year. It finished the year a bigger "hit" than Dreams did in 1977 because its number of weeks on the charts. Hold Me was in the top 10 five times longer than Dreams.

When I was in college I lived in an international dorm. I will never forget, I was playing my cassette Fleetwood Mac greatest hits and there was a Japanese girl who could not speak English that well. She was in the English department before she was to enroll in classes. She asked me to play Hold Me and she sang the entire song in perfect English. I was blown away. She struggled to speak English yet she sang the song in perfect English without missing a word.

[Macfan4life]

On another note, I loved when the band reunited with Chris started to perform Little Lies again. I loved the extended ending and Lindsey (finally) on vocals.
However, I loved and missed the outrageous keyboard beginning from the late 80s and 1990. That would just crank through the arena. It was much toned down in recent years.

[Villavic]

My guess is whoever told them Tango was a remake of Rumours probably was misinterpreted. More likely they meant it was a return to the pop sensibilities of Rumours, not a literal remake.

I would agree with Mick that actually it´s Mirage that was "an attempt to get into the Rumours groove again, but updated". Specially after the Tusk change. Though within the 80s context, Tango perfectly fits in the 80s.

[jbrownsjr]

I've always thought Mirage was Mirage and nothing like Rumours. Not even close. Tango isn't close to either of those albums, as well. One thing Lindsey did accomplish is different concepts and sensibilities. They all did, really.;

[HomerMcvie]

I've always thought Mirage was Mirage and nothing like Rumours. Not even close. Tango isn't close to either of those albums, as well. One thing Lindsey did accomplish is different concepts and sensibilities. They all did, really.;

Well, Mirage brought back a radio friendly pop sound.

I love everything about Mirage, and hold it in my heart, dearly.

Tango? Meh. It's slick. Plastic is slick. And sterile. Mick should be sterile.

[jbrownsjr]

Well, Mirage brought back a radio friendly pop sound.

I love everything about Mirage, and hold it in my heart, dearly.

Tango? Meh. It's slick. Plastic is slick. And sterile. Mick should be sterile.

Brought back a radio friendly sound? Hold Me and Gypsy make that true. However, does not equate to sounding anything close to Rumours. And yes, I love Mirage.

Sara, Think About Me, Never Forget and Angel were radio friendly. I think it was you who had stated Tusk (the song) ruined the singles on the Tusk album. I agree with that, too.

Now get mad at me and say you're never coming back, then come back tomorrow. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Brought back a radio friendly sound? Hold Me and Gypsy make that true. However, does not equate to sounding anything close to Rumours. And yes, I love Mirage.

Sara, Think About Me, Never Forget and Angel were radio friendly. I think it was you who had stated Tusk (the song) ruined the singles on the Tusk album. I agree with that, too.

Now get mad at me and say you're never coming back, then come back tomorrow. :laugh:

I never said it sounded close to Rumours. Only what I just said, that they were "radio friendly" again.

I never said that about Tusk(the song), either. Think About Me and Angel were radio friendly, but the album as a whole was not. I don't think anyone could make that claim.

Okay, THAT'S IT!!!!!! Y'ALL ARE A BUNCH OR F*CKING LOSERS, AND I'M OUT OF HERE!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:








(see you in a few minutes again)

[Villavic]

Well, Can't go Back was radio friendly in Peru.

[jbrownsjr]

Well, Can't go Back was radio friendly in Peru.

That's because you were all standing in the shadows.

[HomerMcvie]

Well, Can't go Back was radio friendly in Peru.

I LOVE Can't Go Back and Book of Love. They're perfect! Especially in the running order in which they lie.

[jbrownsjr]

I LOVE Can't Go Back and Book of Love. They're perfect! Especially in the running order in which they lie.

Agreed, the sequencing of Mirage is Christine perfect for me.

[HomerMcvie]

Agreed, the sequencing of Mirage is Christine perfect for me.

It really is Perfekt. The flow is amazing. Seriously.

Mirage never got the love it deserves.

[jbrownsjr]

It really is Perfekt. The flow is amazing. Seriously.

Mirage never got the love it deserves.

Even the videos are fantastic.

[aleuzzi]

Well, Can't go Back was radio friendly in Peru.

I love unexpected info like this. I wonder how that song at that time played into public tastes there.

[aleuzzi]

Even the videos are fantastic.

The decision to make Gypsy and Hold Me videos really did help promote the album. I doubt “Gypsy”—as good as it is—would have had the same impact on the popular imagination if there was no video. “Hold Me” is such an ear worm that it would likely have done as well, but that video is equally iconic in a different way.

[Villavic]

I love unexpected info like this. I wonder how that song at that time played into public tastes there.

As I remember, Hold Me and Gypsy were the obvious hits played in radios.

But there was an adult contemporary, world, vocal radio; in general they used to play beyond the classical pop hits. So they liked to choose the non usual singles. When Mirage were released, they played HM & G, and they started to play Can't Go Back, too (maybe a single in other countries but not in Peru). And it was so well received that it started to play by other radios (something that no always happened with other songs). Probably it didn't reach the local top ten, but I remember hearing it frequently for a while.

[jbrownsjr]

Mirage is very very catchy, once you get it in your bones. I couldn't put it down, after I bought it.