Prediction for Fleetwood Mac's next activity

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie is filling out her 2022 tour. Crowded House announced a monthlong tour of North America in September. The Dirty Knobs are touring into the fall.

Any predictions on the next activity Fleetwood Mac will do and when?

They announced their 2018 lineup four years ago. Maybe an Extended Play?

[elle]

Stevie is filling out her 2022 tour. Crowded House announced a monthlong tour of North America in September. The Dirty Knobs are touring into the fall.

Any predictions on the next activity Fleetwood Mac will do and when?

They announced their 2018 lineup four years ago. Maybe an Extended Play?

interestingly his FM gig didn't help Finn much, in the US Crowded House is touring the same venues LB solo is.

[UnwindedDreams]

interestingly his FM gig didn't help Finn much, in the US Crowded House is touring the same venues LB solo is.

They're playing The Beacon, The Wiltern, The Anthem, and Seattle Paramount which are larger than the ones Lindsey played in for his new tour. They may also get more per ticket than LB does.

But they're no Stevie Nicks. I think Stevie may've played bigger arenas and stadium in Australia and NZ than CH did.

Mike is doing the smallest venues and I'd love to see one of his shows even though I can't listen to him sing:sorry:

[elle]

They're playing The Beacon, The Wiltern, The Anthem, and Seattle Paramount which are larger than the ones Lindsey played in for his new tour.


Lindsey played The Wiltern even on his completely solo One Man Show, without the band. :laugh:

Lindsey plays Fox theater in Michigan regularly on almost every tour. and he played Beacon recently. we can go down the list.

DC Anthem as usually used is much larger than LB normally plays, although there are smaller shows that come there and they put seats on the floor (normally it's GA). wonder whether that's what they'll do for Crowded House.

[elle]

But they're no Stevie Nicks. I think Stevie may've played bigger arenas and stadium in Australia and NZ than CH did.

Crowded House in AUS and NZ are filling stadiums. so nope. they are still huge down there.

[UnwindedDreams]

Lindsey played The Wiltern even on his completely solo One Man Show, without the band. :laugh:

Lindsey plays Fox theater in Michigan regularly on almost every tour. and he played Beacon recently. we can go down the list.

DC Anthem as usually used is much larger than LB normally plays, although there are smaller shows that come there and they put seats on the floor (normally it's GA). wonder whether that's what they'll do for Crowded House.
Oh yes he did play Wiltern in 2012. 2021 he played the Theatre at Ace Hotel Los Angeles which looks gorgeous.

Lindsey plays Town Hall in New York almost every tour. In 2012 he did BB King's Restaurant. I think Beacon was with Christine and also on OOTC.

I thought CH would've played the Dolby, Radio City, Rosemont, and Caesars Palace. 4k plus seaters.

[SteveMacD]

They’re playing the Rose Amphitheater near Dayton, which LBCM played.

Also, GbV sold out the Wiltern in 2010. (That was the morning I got left behind in Vegas and some friends drove me to the venue. That’s also the day I fell in love with Gyros.)

[WalkAThinLine.]

With the death of Christine McVie, another solo tour for Stevie Nicks in 2023, and an upcoming solo album from Lindsey Buckingham, I find it exceedingly unlikely that there will be any further activity from the band. Personally, I'm at peace with this. If Mick Fleetwood wants to pull together former Fleetwood Mac members for a one-off performance, I would be fine with that, but anything more would risk tarnishing their legacy even further.

[bombaysaffires]

With the death of Christine McVie, another solo tour for Stevie Nicks in 2023, and an upcoming solo album from Lindsey Buckingham, I find it exceedingly unlikely that there will be any further activity from the band. Personally, I'm at peace with this. If Mick Fleetwood wants to pull together former Fleetwood Mac members for a one-off performance, I would be fine with that, but anything more would risk tarnishing their legacy even further.

Amen.

:angel:

[Karlie]

With the death of Christine McVie, another solo tour for Stevie Nicks in 2023, and an upcoming solo album from Lindsey Buckingham, I find it exceedingly unlikely that there will be any further activity from the band. Personally, I'm at peace with this. If Mick Fleetwood wants to pull together former Fleetwood Mac members for a one-off performance, I would be fine with that, but anything more would risk tarnishing their legacy even further.

Absolutely agree with this. If they want to do some sort of one-off show in honor of Christine, I'd want to see that, and then no more Fleetwood Mac.

My prediction is that Mick will want to tour again, and Stevie would likely be up for it once audiences start to get tired of her solo tours. John's probably done with touring, and I doubt Mick would feel right about using the Fleetwood Mac name without a Mac (and also John co-owns the trademark with him) - so they'll go out as "Fleetwood Nicks & Friends" or something like that. They can tap whoever they want to fill out the band as the "& Friends" - Mike and/or Neil, Vanessa Carlton, Sheryl Crow, all 3 Haim sisters, Harry Styles, the ghosts of Prince and Queen Elizabeth, etc... :]

[mylittledemon]

I'd like them to film some sort of show at least. I think it would be really sweet if maybe they do one last "unplugged" kinda thing; something that's more intimate and reflective. They could end the set with Lindsey playing guitar to a pre-recorded version "Songbird", while the audience watches a video montage of Chris and the band interacting with her throughout the years.

[HomerMcvie]

Absolutely agree with this. If they want to do some sort of one-off show in honor of Christine, I'd want to see that, and then no more Fleetwood Mac.

My prediction is that Mick will want to tour again, and Stevie would likely be up for it once audiences start to get tired of her solo tours. John's probably done with touring, and I doubt Mick would feel right about using the Fleetwood Mac name without a Mac (and also John co-owns the trademark with him) - so they'll go out as "Fleetwood Nicks & Friends" or something like that. They can tap whoever they want to fill out the band as the "& Friends" - Mike and/or Neil, Vanessa Carlton, Sheryl Crow, all 3 Haim sisters, Harry Styles, the ghosts of Prince and Queen Elizabeth, etc... :]
You do know that they're OLD AF, right? I hope it's over. It should be over. Dear god, let it be over.

[Macfan4life]

NOTHING

There is nothing to do. John wont tour again. Chris told the truth a few years ago when she said the band was over and Mick made her retract her words.

Dear Lord I cant imagine a get together without Chris and John and Stevie and Lindsey pretend to be nice. For what? A stage show? Oh no she betta don't. After ruining the band's swan song Stevie could do this with a straight face?

It was over years ago but Mick is always looking for his next pay day. The auction probably got him enough through 2023. Then he will be back to selling Biddie's britches.

[bombaysaffires]

NOTHING

There is nothing to do. John wont tour again. Chris told the truth a few years ago when she said the band was over and Mick made her retract her words.

Dear Lord I cant imagine a get together without Chris and John and Stevie and Lindsey pretend to be nice. For what? A stage show? Oh no she betta don't. After ruining the band's swan song Stevie could do this with a straight face?

It was over years ago but Mick is always looking for his next pay day. The auction probably got him enough through 2023. Then he will be back to selling Biddie's britches.

Yep. John's done.

Chris is gone.

Stevie totally would get a band of hired hands to do a Mac-oriented tour if it came to that. But as long as she can tour solo, I'm thinking she won't. She wants to cement HER legacy. She did say at some point in the not too distant past that there are only so many precious years left where she can be "Stevie Nicks" ie her appearance, her mobility, her stamina to give the kind of shows and public appearances that she's gotten famous for. There's only so much filler and botox in the world, and her ankles won't balance on high heels forever.

If, for some reason however she / her mgmt team DID decide it was a good idea to try and put a tour of FM music together, I do think Mick would jump right in there. As someone said before, he would totally do a Fleetwood Nicks tour if offered money.

None of that is surprising. What remains to be seen is what would LB do?? In the past I would have bet my house he would have laughed in their faces if asked to join. Now....I'm not so sure.....

John will not tour again. A one-off?? Maayyybeeee...:shrug:

[David]

With the death of Christine McVie, another solo tour for Stevie Nicks in 2023, and an upcoming solo album from Lindsey Buckingham, I find it exceedingly unlikely that there will be any further activity from the band. Personally, I'm at peace with this. If Mick Fleetwood wants to pull together former Fleetwood Mac members for a one-off performance, I would be fine with that, but anything more would risk tarnishing their legacy even further.

Sounds good. Actually, since that Green concert in London was actually pretty fine, maybe a similar tribute to Green and Chris, billed as a regrouping? The concert could combine both legacies somehow (without watering down either, I hope). It would probably be an unusual array of musicians onstage (David Gilmour, John Mayall, Jonny Lang, Sheryl Crow, Pete Townshend, Steven Tyler, Jeremy Spencer, Stephen Bishop, Kathy Valentine, Rick Vito, Billy Burnette, Mike Campbell & Benmont Tench, Midge Ure), but that could be nice. Both figures now gone.

[Macfan4life]

Yep. John's done.

Chris is gone.

Stevie totally would get a band of hired hands to do a Mac-oriented tour if it came to that. But as long as she can tour solo, I'm thinking she won't. She wants to cement HER legacy. She did say at some point in the not too distant past that there are only so many precious years left where she can be "Stevie Nicks" ie her appearance, her mobility, her stamina to give the kind of shows and public appearances that she's gotten famous for. There's only so much filler and botox in the world, and her ankles won't balance on high heels forever.

If, for some reason however she / her mgmt team DID decide it was a good idea to try and put a tour of FM music together, I do think Mick would jump right in there. As someone said before, he would totally do a Fleetwood Nicks tour if offered money.

None of that is surprising. What remains to be seen is what would LB do?? In the past I would have bet my house he would have laughed in their faces if asked to join. Now....I'm not so sure.....

John will not tour again. A one-off?? Maayyybeeee...:shrug:
You know what? I hope I am wrong but your statement about a one off could happen. I could see next year the band playing one concert honoring Chris and then hanging it up for good.

[bwboy]

That’s ok if John wants to stay retired- Fleetwood Mac could still carry on with Mick, Stevie, Mike, and Neil!

Ok, my work is done. I’m leaving by the back door to avoid all the bricks about to be thrown at me lol!

:sorry:

[SteveMacD]

You know what? I hope I am wrong but your statement about a one off could happen. I could see next year the band playing one concert honoring Chris and then hanging it up for good.

It’s the most feasible option. I don’t see John ever touring again and Lindsey seems to be a crapshoot because of his health (if he’d even be allowed to participate). I can’t imagine Stevie having an incentive for a long-term Fleetwood Mac commitment. As for Mick, who knows? I’m sure he’d love to tour, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if Christine’s passing knocked a lot of wind out of his sails.

They’re old, but they’re also Fleetwood Mac and Irving is probably fielding any offers. It’s hard to turn down that kind of money to play music.

[Penguin Emeritus]

I agree with some others that John is probably done with everything. For good. I would be surprised if he ever plays again. Maybe he'll prove me wrong.

At some point, Mick, I think, would love to do something else that is fleetwood mac related. Hopefully by this point in his life he has gotten himself together financially, but he might just wanna do it because fleetwood mac has been his life.

just not sure who would do it with him. A one off tribute kinda thing...maaaaaybe stevie and lindsey would do that. but a tour?? i just can't see that happening.

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

That’s ok if John wants to stay retired- Fleetwood Mac could still carry on with Mick, Stevie, Mike, and Neil!

Ok, my work is done. I’m leaving by the back door to avoid all the bricks about to be thrown at me lol!

:sorry:
My god, let it go. Go see your queen as many times as you can, before she kicks the bucket. I hope you get to see her a hundred times. BUT NOT WITH FLEETWOOD MAC, BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD.

[SteveMacD]

That’s ok if John wants to stay retired- Fleetwood Mac could still carry on with Mick, Stevie, Mike, and Neil!

Ok, my work is done. I’m leaving by the back door to avoid all the bricks about to be thrown at me lol!

:sorry:

That’s insanely ridiculous.

You’d still need a bassist. Someone like Mike Mills.

[jbrownsjr]

That’s insanely ridiculous.

You’d still need a bassist. Someone like Mike Mills.

Mike Rutherford. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Mike Rutherford. :laugh:

Weirdly, I was only being half tongue-in-cheek with that. The only reason I thought of Mills is because he said John McVie was his inspiration for the “Losing My Religion” bass line.

[UnwindedDreams]

That’s insanely ridiculous.

You’d still need a bassist. Someone like Mike Mills.
Fleetwood Mac's touring future: Al Ortiz on bass. Ricky Peterson and Darrell Smith on keyboards. Carlos Rios takes over for Neale Heywood.

[SteveMacD]

Fleetwood Mac's touring future: Al Ortiz on bass. Ricky Peterson and Darrell Smith on keyboards. Carlos Rios takes over for Neale Heywood.

Please. It’s Fleetwood Mac. It’s going to be Steve Ferrone on “auxiliary” drums, Benmont Tench on keyboards, Ron Blair on bass, and Scott Thurston on guitars/keyboards.

[UnwindedDreams]

Please. It’s Fleetwood Mac. It’s going to be Steve Ferrone on “auxiliary” drums
Ferrone over Taku Hirano for supplement? Then don't forget The Webb Sisters on bgv.

[mylittledemon]

I hope you get to see her a hundred times. BUT NOT WITH FLEETWOOD MAC, BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD.

https://i.imgur.com/SOATEDJ.gif

[aleuzzi]

Weirdly, I was only being half tongue-in-cheek with that. The only reason I thought of Mills is because he said John McVie was his inspiration for the “Losing My Religion” bass line.

I never knew this! So cool—and that bass line DOES sound like John.

[Macfan4life]

In 2024 Stevie will reunite with Mick. A tour will be announced with Sheryl Crow as a new member. Neil Fin will also be included on this tour.

[jmn3]

In 2024 Stevie will reunite with Mick. A tour will be announced with Sheryl Crow as a new member. Neil Fin will also be included on this tour.

Ah, the “Who the Hell is in Fleetwood Mac Tour of ‘24”

[SteveMacD]

Ah, the “Who the Hell is in Fleetwood Mac Tour of ‘24”

Wouldn’t be the first time they had a tour like that.

[bombaysaffires]

Ferrone over Taku Hirano for supplement? Then don't forget The Webb Sisters on bgv.

Taku could be considered as one of "Lindsey's guys" a la Brett, so maybe not.

In 2024 Stevie will reunite with Mick. A tour will be announced with Sheryl Crow as a new member. Neil Fin will also be included on this tour.

Welp, the normalization of Sheryl as somehow part of FM or the FM family (though she's never done a thing with them, unlike many of the other musicians mentioned) has begun, with her appearing with Mick at the Grammy's and singing Chris's songs.

[SteveMacD]

Taku could be considered as one of "Lindsey's guys" a la Brett, so maybe not.
The joke I was making that the backing band will now be Steve Ferrone, Benmont Tench, Ron Blair, and Scott Thurston. UnwindedDreams brought up Taku.

Taku being one of Lindsey’s guys should have been dispelled on the 2018-19 tour.

Welp, the normalization of Sheryl as somehow part of FM or the FM family (though she's never done a thing with them
She played organ and sang harmonies on “Say You Will” and “Silver Girl.”

[bombaysaffires]

The joke I was making that the backing band will now be Steve Ferrone, Benmont Tench, Ron Blair, and Scott Thurston. UnwindedDreams brought up Taku.

Taku being one of Lindsey’s guys should have been dispelled on the 2018-19 tour.


She played organ and sang harmonies on “Say You Will” and “Silver Girl.”

yes, but the average person doesn't know that. She's never been seen performing with them. (a scene in the documentary doesn't count)

[Macfan4life]

During the 2024 tour, Silver Girl will be performed. It will be dedicated to Sheryl and welcoming her to the band. It will be the "Gypsy Story" of the tour. Stevie will say how it was a premonition how she wrote it about Sheryl and was on an album without Chris. She will go on to explain how she wrote it and how it relates to Sheryl.

[bombaysaffires]

During the 2024 tour, Silver Girl will be performed. It will be dedicated to Sheryl and welcoming her to the band. It will be the "Gypsy Story" of the tour. Stevie will say how it was a premonition how she wrote it about Sheryl and was on an album without Chris. She will go on to explain how she wrote it and how it relates to Sheryl.

so sad that such comments don't even stand out as obvious satire anymore, because reality has gotten so f^#*ed that it feels entirely possible.

[UnwindedDreams]

The joke I was making that the backing band will now be Steve Ferrone, Benmont Tench, Ron Blair, and Scott Thurston. UnwindedDreams brought up Taku.

Taku being one of Lindsey’s guys should have been dispelled on the 2018-19 tour.

Neale isn't a Lindsey guy either, right?

Who did Taku tour with in 2021 and 2022? I genuinely don't know. Stevie stopped using percussion in 2012.

[SteveMacD]

Neale isn't a Lindsey guy either, right?

That whole “Lindsey’s guy” thing is BS, otherwise Neale and Taku wouldn’t have been on the 2018 tour. Brett was cut because he pleaded on Lindsey’s behalf after Neil and Mike were in. In other words, he didn’t believe in the tour, which was his right. However, they had the right to move on from him and find someone who would believe in the tour.

Furthermore, it was Mick who initially knew Neale and Neale has collaborated with Stevie. He might be primarily known as Lindsey’s right hand guy, but that doesn’t mean it was ever an exclusive relationship.

[UnwindedDreams]

That whole “Lindsey’s guy” thing is BS, otherwise Neale and Taku wouldn’t have been on the 2018 tour. Brett was cut because he pleaded on Lindsey’s behalf after Neil and Mike were in. In other words, he didn’t believe in the tour, which was his right. However, they had the right to move on from him and find someone who would believe in the tour.

Furthermore, it was Mick who initially knew Neale and Neale has collaborated with Stevie. He might be primarily known as Lindsey’s right hand guy, but that doesn’t mean it was ever an exclusive relationship.
Where did Mick know Neale from? Neale sent Stevie a musical track which she sang New Orleans too.

It is interesting that Mick posted a tribute to Brett last year whereas Stevie didn't.

[SteveMacD]

Where did Mick know Neale from? Neale sent Stevie a musical track which she sang New Orleans too.

It is interesting that Mick posted a tribute to Brett last year whereas Stevie didn't.

Mick and Neale first worked together on Peter Bardens’ 1988 album Speed of Light.

Brett had been a member of the Zoo.

[UnwindedDreams]

Mick and Neale first worked together on Peter Bardens’ 1988 album Speed of Light.

Brett had been a member of the Zoo.
Thank you for the info about Peter Bardens.

Brett toured with Stevie for 10 years too. She would say in her band into that he was her 2nd favorite Hammond player, which I guess she says about Ricky too.

[Macfan4life]

so sad that such comments don't even stand out as obvious satire anymore, because reality has gotten so f^#*ed that it feels entirely possible.
Its an honest prediction but I can see the satire in it ;)

[Mr Scarrott]

For what it's worth, some wikipedian or other has changed the Fleetwood Mac article to the past tense:

"Fleetwood Mac were a British-American rock band, formed in London in 1967. Fleetwood Mac were founded by guitarists and vocalists Peter Green and Jeremy Spencer, and drummer Mick Fleetwood...."

That kind of feels right, despite Mick's slight equivocation. I suppose technically we've been here before in the 1996-1997 interregnum but even allowing for the strangeness of the band's final incarnation, it's a sad day.

Rest in peace and pieces, Fleetwood Mac. Thank you, guys and gals.

[SteveMacD]

I suppose technically we've been here before in the 1996-1997 interregnum
Even then, we knew Mick was working with Lindsey before it was announced Fleetwood Mac had broken up. And, in very short order, Mick, Stevie, Christine, and John attended the Kentucky Derby with Steve Winwood filling in for Lindsey and “Twisted” was released. So, it was obvious there was momentum building for the Rumours band getting back together.

Now, with Christine gone, it doesn’t really matter what happens. I mean, I’d still go just to see Mick and hear the songs, but Fleetwood Mac is over.

[Karlie]

For what it's worth, some wikipedian or other has changed the Fleetwood Mac article to the past tense:

"Fleetwood Mac were a British-American rock band, formed in London in 1967. Fleetwood Mac were founded by guitarists and vocalists Peter Green and Jeremy Spencer, and drummer Mick Fleetwood...."

That kind of feels right, despite Mick's slight equivocation. I suppose technically we've been here before in the 1996-1997 interregnum but even allowing for the strangeness of the band's final incarnation, it's a sad day.

Rest in peace and pieces, Fleetwood Mac. Thank you, guys and gals.

With Christine gone, I wouldn’t want to see any combination of the remaining members touring or recording as “Fleetwood Mac,” but reading that wiki page in past tense was like a punch in the gut.

Like, what do you do when, not just your favorite band, but your favorite anything, the people and art that defined your life (and for many of us born in the 70s or later, your whole life) are over? Really, it was all over on 11/30, but there’s something so surreal about seeing “Fleetwood Mac was…” written out like that.

I suppose this is how the past 40+ years must have felt for Beatles fans. We’re lucky to have had them for so long, and of course we’ll always have the music, but it still feels so weird… like now what? I guess I need a new hobby or something?

Thank you, Fleetwood Mac, for bringing us along on the wildest ride in rock and roll history.

[SteveMacD]

Just before Christine passed, Billy told Rolling Stone that he just did an album with Mick. Maybe now would be a good time to put The Zoo back together. It would be Mick, Bekka, Billy, Todd, and maybe Dave Bronze from the Peter Green tribute on bass. I’d love Ricky Peterson on keyboards, but I think he has a better paying gig lined up.

[HomerMcvie]

Just before Christine passed, Billy told Rolling Stone that he just did an album with Mick. Maybe now would be a good time to put The Zoo back together. It would be Mick, Bekka, Billy, Todd, and maybe Dave Bronze from the Peter Green tribute on bass. I’d love Ricky Peterson on keyboards, but I think he has a better paying gig lined up.
I would go see that, as long as Mick isn't expecting FM pay.

[anusha]

I thought it was interesting that Mick mentioned Neil and Mike as members of the band yesterday. I can’t imagine either of them actually consider themselves FM members when not on the last tour. Right now, I think there’s too much grief about Chris to really consider touring without her. But I also think that John is not likely to want to tour anymore, and it’s a much harder sell as FM without the McVies.

Stevie has no reason to go back to FM. Now that Chris is gone, Stevie won’t be the reason the band gives for not reuniting. We know that matters to her from the great lengths the band went to in lying about how Stevie made sure Lindsey was fired from the band. And, as it is, Stevie hates Lindsey and doesn’t want to perform with him anymore. I think FM used up the audience willingness to pay big dollars for a tour with replacements in 2018-2019. With two of the main songwriters out of the band, it’s just not a compelling ticket now. So the choice is some ragtag, not mega profitable tour with Mick and replacements or her own tour. Not a hard choice since the Stevie solo tour brings the same or more money and more cachet too.

I hope Mick doesn’t need money at this point. I really do. I get that he may want to keep gigging, but I think the big touring paydays are done. They probably already knew that in 2018-2019. But now it’s for sure.

[UnwindedDreams]

I thought it was interesting that Mick mentioned Neil and Mike as members of the band yesterday. I can’t imagine either of them actually consider themselves FM members when not on the last tour.

In a second interview with LA Times, after Mick said Stevie is touring, Lindsey will tour, Neil Finn "who is still in Fleetwood Mac," Mike Campbell.

I guess he mentions Lindsey because he is in the most famous lineup of FM. But I don't get why he didn't mention the other living persons who were in FM (Jeremy, the Daves, Bekka, Billy, and Rick). He said a year or 2 ago it was his vision to have all the living members play on stage together.

[Dragon]

With Christine gone, I wouldn’t want to see any combination of the remaining members touring or recording as “Fleetwood Mac,” but reading that wiki page in past tense was like a punch in the gut.

Like, what do you do when, not just your favorite band, but your favorite anything, the people and art that defined your life (and for many of us born in the 70s or later, your whole life) are over? Really, it was all over on 11/30, but there’s something so surreal about seeing “Fleetwood Mac was…” written out like that.

I suppose this is how the past 40+ years must have felt for Beatles fans. We’re lucky to have had them for so long, and of course we’ll always have the music, but it still feels so weird… like now what? I guess I need a new hobby or something?

Thank you, Fleetwood Mac, for bringing us along on the wildest ride in rock and roll history.

Wikipedia has limitations where opinions are fact and tabloids such as National Enquirer and TMZ are considered legitimate news sources. Publicists and management companies exist to avoid aforementioned reasons.

At the present, Fleetwood Mac does not have any activities planned. For the foreseeable future, present and notable past members will be occupied with solo activities (Lindsey, Stevie) and other bans (Mike, Neil).

[Macfan4life]

I would go see that, as long as Mick isn't expecting FM pay.
He could never get FM pay. But with a Zoo Meet and Greet, you have your chance to finally get that photo keepsake you always wanted. Who knows, there also could be a few extra Biddy britches around.

[HomerMcvie]

He could never get FM pay. But with a Zoo Meet and Greet, you have your chance to finally get that photo keepsake you always wanted. Who knows, there also could be a few extra Biddy britches around.

I have zero desire to have my pic taken with him. The two pics I'd have wanted? One is dead, and the other fired.

And Biddy's panties? Ewwww.........
Mick has probably worn them.

[David]

Like, what do you do when, not just your favorite band, but your favorite anything, the people and art that defined your life (and for many of us born in the 70s or later, your whole life) are over? Really, it was all over on 11/30, but there’s something so surreal about seeing “Fleetwood Mac was…” written out like that.
It’s a very similar feeling to what some of us had in . . . I guess around 1995, when Fleetwood told the media that the band was kaput. The only difference is that I remember feeling relief that year — the stringing out of new faces and last-ditch activities for years felt like desperation — whereas this ending feels like metaphorical death in the wake of literal death.

The fog was where I wanted to be. Halfway down the path you can’t see this house. You’d never know it was here. Or any of the other places down the avenue. I couldn’t see but a few feet ahead. I didn’t meet a soul. Everything looked and sounded unreal. Nothing was what it is. That’s what I wanted—to be alone with myself in another world where truth is untrue and life can hide from itself. Out beyond the harbor, where the road runs along the beach, I even lost the feeling of being on land. The fog and the sea seemed part of each other. It was like walking on the bottom of the sea. As if I had drowned long ago. As if I was the ghost belonging to the fog, and the fog was the ghost of the sea. It felt damned peaceful to be nothing more than a ghost within a ghost. — O’Neill, Long Day’s Journey into Night

[SteveMacD]

It’s a very similar feeling to what some of us had in . . . I guess around 1995, when Fleetwood told the media that the band was kaput. The only difference is that I remember feeling relief that year
Prior to the announcement about Fleetwood Mac disbanding, it had been announced that Mick was playing drums on Lindsey’s new album, so there was a Fleetwood Mac is dead, long live Fleetwood Mac vibe, especially after the Kentucky Derby and the release of “Twisted.” In less than five months, Fleetwood Mac became the Rumours lineup, even if it only existed as a hypothetical.

[anusha]

I thought Mick made the point of referring to Neil and Mike as band members to underscore the company line that they were real band members as opposed to being hired guns. That said, I doubt they are anything more than hired guns. At this point, he doesn't want to sully whatever the image of FM is by reminding people of the Bekka/Billy/Rick county fair days.

I think I mourned FM in 2018/2019 when it seemed clear that they were splintered and not going to be fixed. But losing Christine really makes it final. The music really is eternal, and I'm glad to have it. The comfort I have now is that I don't think the band would have reunited to play even if Christine were living, and if they did, watching Stevie and Lindsey pretend to like each other would be nauseating. But in reality, Chris and John seemed to be in iffy health to do a long tour after 2019, Stevie would never play with Lindsey, and so we'd be where we are now, where Stevie would be choosing between her own tour and touring with Mick and backup musicians. She probably makes more money on her own and gets all the adulation.

But I get the feeling of loss. For me, it's more a sense of bitterness, though. I feel like this band sold this image of coming together despite their differences, and especially sold the Stevie/Lindsey relationship hard for 20 years after The Dance (when the truth was the polar opposite of what they pretended to be -- to sell tour tickets), only to end up splitting up in a really acrimonious and ugly way. I don't listen to music to watch people be nasty to each other, and somehow where we ended up just highlights the poor behavior of everyone over the years. Truth hurts, I guess. But at this point, for me, I'm happier having the albums and recordings to enjoy than watching the band limp through more tours.

[Macfan4life]

I thought Mick made the point of referring to Neil and Mike as band members to underscore the company line that they were real band members as opposed to being hired guns. That said, I doubt they are anything more than hired guns. At this point, he doesn't want to sully whatever the image of FM is by reminding people of the Bekka/Billy/Rick county fair days.

I think I mourned FM in 2018/2019 when it seemed clear that they were splintered and not going to be fixed. But losing Christine really makes it final. The music really is eternal, and I'm glad to have it. The comfort I have now is that I don't think the band would have reunited to play even if Christine were living, and if they did, watching Stevie and Lindsey pretend to like each other would be nauseating. But in reality, Chris and John seemed to be in iffy health to do a long tour after 2019, Stevie would never play with Lindsey, and so we'd be where we are now, where Stevie would be choosing between her own tour and touring with Mick and backup musicians. She probably makes more money on her own and gets all the adulation.

But I get the feeling of loss. For me, it's more a sense of bitterness, though. I feel like this band sold this image of coming together despite their differences, and especially sold the Stevie/Lindsey relationship hard for 20 years after The Dance (when the truth was the polar opposite of what they pretended to be -- to sell tour tickets), only to end up splitting up in a really acrimonious and ugly way. I don't listen to music to watch people be nasty to each other, and somehow where we ended up just highlights the poor behavior of everyone over the years. Truth hurts, I guess. But at this point, for me, I'm happier having the albums and recordings to enjoy than watching the band limp through more tours.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. One reason for the bitterness is so many of us saw this coming. We all knew the 2018 tour would be the last tour. Yet one member prevented not only an album but a final tour of these 5. Clearly Stevie did not like preforming and recording with Chris enough to look past the drama with Lindsey one more time.
So to the members here that still call us bitter this is why. We told you so. I am thankful for Buck/Vie and that brilliant album and tour. I loved meeting Lindsey and strumming his guitar on his solo tour the year after too. However for the legacy of the band, I am sure THEY ALL regret it more than we do.

[SteveMacD]

Clearly Stevie did not like preforming and recording with Chris enough to look past the drama with Lindsey one more time.

I still maintain she didn’t do the album because she didn’t have anything to offer and nothing good would have come out of it for her. She had this newfound younger audience thanks to AHS that loved her classic material. Why would she risk losing that by being seen as the weakest writer? Why diminish her image?

[UnwindedDreams]

I still maintain she didn’t do the album because she didn’t have anything to offer and nothing good would have come out of it for her. She had this newfound younger audience thanks to AHS that loved her classic material. Why would she risk losing that by being seen as the weakest writer? Why diminish her image?
I think she didn't want to work in a studio with Lindsey.

The argument people make is that Christine had 16 years away from Lindsey so that's why she had a great time making music with him in 2014. Whereas Stevie had to "deal" with Lindsey since The Dance.

[SteveMacD]

I think she didn't want to work in a studio with Lindsey.

The argument people make is that Christine had 16 years away from Lindsey so that's why she had a great time making music with him in 2014. Whereas Stevie had to "deal" with Lindsey since The Dance.

That’s what she said, but I think that was to save face. That she didn’t make a Fleetwood Mac album after Lindsey was gone and her primary collaborator was in tells me that she doesn’t have anything left and doesn’t want to be seen as the weakest one.

[UnwindedDreams]

That’s what she said, but I think that was to save face. That she didn’t make a Fleetwood Mac album after Lindsey was gone and her primary collaborator was in tells me that she doesn’t have anything left and doesn’t want to be seen as the weakest one.
Does Mike actually sit and work on the music with her like Lindsey did? I thought he just sends her a track, she writes lyrics, and gives him writing credit.

[SteveMacD]

Does Mike actually sit and work on the music with her like Lindsey did? I thought he just sends her a track, she writes lyrics, and gives him writing credit.

Lindsey developed her basic music into something viable, and even then, after Rumours, she started working with others on developing songs on her demos. Mike has written music, arranged, played on, and/or produced songs on all of her solo albums.

Regardless, Lindsey was out, Mike was in, there was no apparent animosity between Stevie and Mick, John, Christine, or Neil, and Stevie still wouldn’t record with the band. Lindsey being difficult to work with for her was only part of the equation and the only part she’d say out loud. The other part is she doesn’t have anything left as far as new music is concerned and she didn’t want to be seen as the weak link in the chain.

[UnwindedDreams]

The other part is she doesn’t have anything left as far as new music is concerned and she didn’t want to be seen as the weak link in the chain.
I guess so. Her latest release is a cover of a 50 year old song, which she called a new song in promoting it.

It's too bad. But I think she has solo stuff left. She doesn't want to share it with FM.

[SteveMacD]

But I think she has solo stuff left. She doesn't want to share it with FM.

Or, she doesn’t want her songs to be measured against songs by Christine, Neil, and Mike or Christine and Lindsey. It would hurt her image if her songs measured unfavorably, and she remembers 1987-96. Why risk it when she’s headlining arenas?

[UnwindedDreams]

Or, she doesn’t want her songs to be measured against songs by Christine, Neil, and Mike or Christine and Lindsey. It would hurt her image if her songs measured unfavorably, and she remembers 1987-96. Why risk it when she’s headlining arenas?

Would you agree with me that she'll get one solo album out before she turns 80?

We know she's recorded three songs that haven't been released in the past 2 years with Adele's producer.
Stevie has had top 10 album debuts since TISL. With her popularity now she could have a # 1 album

[BigAl84]

When you're choosing "What has rock and roll ever done..." as the material you want to work on with Dolly Parton, I think it's safe to say her prolific songwriting days are far behind her.

All of these "icons" lose all sense of quality control. McCartney, Elton John...there are others that I'm forgetting at the moment.

[BigAl84]

Would you agree with me that she'll get one solo album out before she turns 80?

We know she's recorded three songs that haven't been released in the past 2 years with Adele's producer.
Stevie has had top 10 album debuts since TISL. With her popularity now she could have a # 1 album

I think a new album is a maybe, a big maybe. I don't know if Show Them The Way and For What It's Worth was intended to test the market for interest in new material etc. Neither of them made a big splash.

[UnwindedDreams]

I think a new album is a maybe, a big maybe. I don't know if Show Them The Way and For What It's Worth was intended to test the market for interest in new material etc. Neither of them made a big splash.

Any chance she sings Show Them the Way on the Billy tour and says she wasn't ready to sing it last year or didn't have time to rehearse because of COVID?

[SteveMacD]

Would you agree with me that she'll get one solo album out before she turns 80?

We know she's recorded three songs that haven't been released in the past 2 years with Adele's producer.
Stevie has had top 10 album debuts since TISL. With her popularity now she could have a # 1 album
Maybe. I don’t see how it helps her career, though. It’ll be quickly forgotten except for the die-hards.

Any chance she sings Show Them the Way on the Billy tour and says she wasn't ready to sing it last year or didn't have time to rehearse because of COVID?

Of course not. MAYBE she’ll do “For What It’s Worth” since everyone knows it, but “Show Them the Way” would be a beer run song and she knows it.

[Villavic]

Well right now Mick doesn't feel the band will continue.

https://americansongwriter.com/mick-fleetwood-on-the-future-of-fleetwood-mac-were-done/

[SteveMacD]

Well right now Mick doesn't feel the band will continue.

https://americansongwriter.com/mick-fleetwood-on-the-future-of-fleetwood-mac-were-done/

And Irving will flash a big check for a series of farewell shows and maybe an album where Fleetwood Mac (Neil and Mike) Jeff Lynns some unused/demo Christine McVie songs as well as new/rediscovered songs for a farewell album.

Seems unthinkable, now, but would that surprise anyone?

[Villavic]

some unused/demo Christine McVie songs as well as new/rediscovered songs


If that exists, I'd like to hear those songs/versions.

Not interested in any kind/lineup of tours or shows.

[SteveMacD]

If that exists, I'd like to hear those songs/versions.

Not interested in any kind/lineup of tours or shows.

They do.

I don’t, either, ar least in principle, but seeing Mick and John one last time would be hard to resist, at least for me.

[UnwindedDreams]

Maybe. I don’t see how it helps her career, though. It’ll be quickly forgotten except for the die-hards.
Bruce in his 70s released a new album, it charted at #2, and he's doing six songs from it in his show. Why can't Stevie?


Of course not. MAYBE she’ll do “For What It’s Worth” since everyone knows it, but “Show Them the Way” would be a beer run song and she knows it.I think For What It's Worth was only played live for the midterm elections, considering she didn't do it on the spring leg of her 2022 Tour. However, I do think it will be on her next album.

[SteveMacD]

Bruce in his 70s released a new album, it charted at #2, and he's doing six songs from it in his show. Why can't Stevie?


Because he’s Bruce and she’s Stevie. Bruce got away with singing “Jump.” Stevie barely squeaked by “Crash.”

[UnwindedDreams]

Because he’s Bruce and she’s Stevie. Bruce got away with singing “Jump.” Stevie barely squeaked by “Crash.”
Actually Bruce is doing 6 new songs from his original songs album and 2 songs from his new soul covers record. So 8 songs!

The last time she did a lot of new songs in a show was In Your Dreams (seven). After promoting "In Your Dreams" for two years, I think Stevie got really hurt by the sales of the album, which I thought were good, and said it's not worth it to her to make a new album.

[SteveMacD]

Actually Bruce is doing 6 new songs from his original songs album and 2 songs from his new soul covers record. So 8 songs!

The last time she did a lot of new songs in a show was In Your Dreams (seven). After promoting "In Your Dreams" for two years, I think Stevie got really hurt by the sales of the album, which I thought were good, and said it's not worth it to her to make a new album.

I mean, if she wouldn’t make an album with Mick, John, Christine, and Lindsey -one of rock’s most iconic groups, OR Mick, John, Christine, Mike, and Neil -a pretty not bad grouping, why would she think she’d be able to pull off a whole album on her own?

[Mr Scarrott]

And Irving will flash a big check for a series of farewell shows and maybe an album where Fleetwood Mac (Neil and Mike) Jeff Lynns some unused/demo Christine McVie songs as well as new/rediscovered songs for a farewell album.

Seems unthinkable, now, but would that surprise anyone?

The only option I would want to see is if Lindsey work his magic on an unused Christine demo, and if Stevie could be persuaded to provide some backing vocals and John and Mick contribute as well. I can remember in an interview around the time of BuckVie Christine said she had a song she didn't know what to do with. One last song from the five would be lovely.

Anything else just isn't going to work. John may not even be up for any kind of tour any more even if Stevie could overcome her antipathy to Lindsey and a tour with just one "Rumours" vocalist wouldn't work as Fleetwood Mac. The vase is definitely too broken, now.

[SteveMacD]

The only option I would want to see is if Lindsey work his magic on an unused Christine demo, and if Stevie could be persuaded to provide some backing vocals and John and Mick contribute as well. I can remember in an interview around the time of BuckVie Christine said she had a song she didn't know what to do with. One last song from the five would be lovely.

Anything else just isn't going to work. John may not even be up for any kind of tour any more even if Stevie could overcome her antipathy to Lindsey and a tour with just one "Rumours" vocalist wouldn't work as Fleetwood Mac. The vase is definitely too broken, now.

It’s basically all on Irving, which takes out Lindsey to some degree, although not entirely, and becomes a matter of what’s available as far as Christine is concerned (the unused LBCM song and maybe anything Dan has, i.e. reworking “Come Out and Play”) and contextualizing that within the context of whatever Neil and Mike bring.

[UnwindedDreams]

I mean, if she wouldn’t make an album with Mick, John, Christine, and Lindsey -one of rock’s most iconic groups, OR Mick, John, Christine, Mike, and Neil -a pretty not bad grouping, why would she think she’d be able to pull off a whole album on her own?
Because Stevie Nicks is a bigger name than Fleetwood Mac. Headlining major festivals and doing an arena tour. She could be bringing more people into the stadium shows than Billy

[SteveMacD]

Because Stevie Nicks is a bigger name than Fleetwood Mac. Headlining major festivals and doing an arena tour. She could be bringing more people into the stadium shows than Billy

:laugh:

Oh, wait, you’re serious.

[HomerMcvie]

Because Stevie Nicks is a bigger name than Fleetwood Mac. Headlining major festivals and doing an arena tour. She could be bringing more people into the stadium shows than Billy

^^^^ Waiter, I'll have what she's having! ^^^^

[jmn3]

Because Stevie Nicks is a bigger name than Fleetwood Mac. Headlining major festivals and doing an arena tour. She could be bringing more people into the stadium shows than Billy

You are joking right?

[UnwindedDreams]

Billy has oversaturated the touring circuit, playing shows every month of every year. Stevie hasn't done an arena tour in 6 years. Billy needed Stevie in order to fill these football fields. On his own, he does 30,000 seat baseball parks.

In 2018-2019, people were going to see Stevie in FM however they were going to see Christine too because she has the hit songs. I can't point to any proof that thousands were there to see Neil Finn because I didn't hear people talking about him at the shows I went to and I didn't see CH or Split Enz shirts. Reason alone tells me Heartbreaker fans went to these shows that likely didn't buy FM tickets before, plus I met fans with Petty shirts on.
So seeing Stevie solo is different for people (not the diehards because she plays all the FM songs too) because with FM they got a lot of Chris songs, 3 LB songs, and a few pre 75 songs.

Right now, Stevie is a bigger name than FM. She's booked in the arenas FM plays with no co-headliner or opening act at prices higher or the same than FM. The kids idolize her on social media, Tik Tok, and wherever else. And I believe she has Harry Styles to thank for introducing her work to these kids.

[Macfan4life]

Billy has oversaturated the touring circuit, playing shows every month of every year. Stevie hasn't done an arena tour in 6 years. Billy needed Stevie in order to fill these football fields. On his own, he does 30,000 seat baseball parks.

In 2018-2019, people were going to see Stevie in FM however they were going to see Christine too because she has the hit songs. I can't point to any proof that thousands were there to see Neil Finn because I didn't hear people talking about him at the shows I went to and I didn't see CH or Split Enz shirts. Reason alone tells me Heartbreaker fans went to these shows that likely didn't buy FM tickets before, plus I met fans with Petty shirts on.
So seeing Stevie solo is different for people (not the diehards because she plays all the FM songs too) because with FM they got a lot of Chris songs, 3 LB songs, and a few pre 75 songs.

Right now, Stevie is a bigger name than FM. She's booked in the arenas FM plays with no co-headliner or opening act at prices higher or the same than FM. The kids idolize her on social media, Tik Tok, and wherever else. And I believe she has Harry Styles to thank for introducing her work to these kids.
Stevie is not a bigger name than Fleetwood Mac. However, her draw is nearly identical to the Fleetwood Mac name. You mentioned how Chris plays all her Mac hits which you think would be a huge draw. Yet Chris's solo tour and the Buck/Vie tour were not big draws. Starting with the RAL tour, Stevie started to eclipse the Mac in arena attendance. For many dates, Stevie's 24K Gold tour equaled or was on par with The Mac's On With The Show numbers. Pretty insane when you think about it. Most nights the OWTS tour grossed at least 1 million or more. Stevie did not do that every night but did do it a few times and came close each night. I know what you are saying but I think you explained it wrong. All of this is connected to Lindsey's firing. Stevie and her management know that most people that fill those seats are there to see her. The band knew it too which is why they did not stand up to Stevie. Sadly, when people hear Fleetwood Mac, the first thing they think of is Stevie Nicks. Not here on this board but the masses. Billy does not need Stevie. But having both on the same show really will pack a stadium. She's no Elton John but still packs a punch. Billy will play a showcase of his entire career. Stevie will stick to her stale setlist mostly skipping key parts of her career.

[Villavic]

Because Stevie Nicks is a bigger name than Fleetwood Mac.

Statistics are the last word. Like it or not, the numbers will indicate who is bigger. Only commercially of course. And one thing is being bigger on album sales, and another thing is tours.
Now, where do we find reliable sources?

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie is not a bigger name than Fleetwood Mac. However, her draw is nearly identical to the Fleetwood Mac name. You mentioned how Chris plays all her Mac hits which you think would be a huge draw. Yet Chris's solo tour and the Buck/Vie tour were not big draws. Starting with the RAL tour, Stevie started to eclipse the Mac in arena attendance. For many dates, Stevie's 24K Gold tour equaled or was on par with The Mac's On With The Show numbers. Pretty insane when you think about it. Most nights the OWTS tour grossed at least 1 million or more. Stevie did not do that every night but did do it a few times and came close each night. I know what you are saying but I think you explained it wrong. All of this is connected to Lindsey's firing. Stevie and her management know that most people that fill those seats are there to see her. The band knew it too which is why they did not stand up to Stevie. Sadly, when people hear Fleetwood Mac, the first thing they think of is Stevie Nicks. Not here on this board but the masses. Billy does not need Stevie. But having both on the same show really will pack a stadium. She's no Elton John but still packs a punch. Billy will play a showcase of his entire career. Stevie will stick to her stale setlist mostly skipping key parts of her career.
As far as the BuckVie tour not being a big draw, maybe people didn't want to see Lindsey? I don't know. They still played 5,000 people each night, no?

Elton can fill football stadiums on multiple nights on his own, however, that was on his Farewell Tour. He used to need Billy to do it in the 90s and early 2000s.

Billy could not play Ohio Stadium on his own. The Stones play there on their own. You figure Stevie's bringing in 20,000 people to these Billy shows where he brings in 30,000 - 40,000?

[Macfan4life]

As far as the BuckVie tour not being a big draw, maybe people didn't want to see Lindsey? I don't know. They still played 5,000 people each night, no?

Elton can fill football stadiums on multiple nights on his own, however, that was on his Farewell Tour. He used to need Billy to do it in the 90s and early 2000s.

Billy could not play Ohio Stadium on his own. The Stones play there on their own. You figure Stevie's bringing in 20,000 people to these Billy shows where he brings in 30,000 - 40,000?
2/3 of Fleetwood Mac singers performing live can get half a small theater full (few thousand). 1/3 of the singers of Fleetwood Mac can get 13,000 people in an arena.
It makes me mental. If it makes me mental just imagine being in the band. Christine McVie was part of the biggest album in history and had so many huge hits but could get 500 to a theater with a solo album and hit single on a solo tour.
Its just reality. The few Fleetwood Mac fans exist on this board. Most attendees are there for Stevie. It always seemed an unspoken truth. When the band acted upon that truth in 2018 was a bitter pill to take. Yes ALL, I am still bitter. Deal with me!

[SteveMacD]

Stevie spent decades developing her solo brand. Christine’s brand was Fleetwood Mac. If that album had been released as Fleetwood Mac and the four of them toured the album with another large act (like Stevie did with The Pretenders), they probably would have been able to do an arena tour.

[David]

Stevie connects with her audience and makes each of them feel she is singing directly to them, holding those notes and hurling those haunted melodies across time and space. Also, she raises her bat wings and twirls. That’s good for at least 12,000 beer guzzlers, isn’t it?

https://townsquare.media/site/838/files/2016/12/stevie-nicks-madison-square-garden-56.jpg?w=980&q=75

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie connects with her audience and makes each of them feel she is singing directly to them, holding those notes and hurling those haunted melodies across time and space. Also, she raises her bat wings and twirls. That’s good for at least 12,000 beer guzzlers, isn’t it?

https://townsquare.media/site/838/files/2016/12/stevie-nicks-madison-square-garden-56.jpg?w=980&q=75
Stevie also has a stage production going back to TISL with visuals and props on stage, moving curtains, strobes, and of course now she has screens on the drum riser and band platforms.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie spent decades developing her solo brand. Christine’s brand was Fleetwood Mac. If that album had been released as Fleetwood Mac and the four of them toured the album with another large act (like Stevie did with The Pretenders), they probably would have been able to do an arena tour.

You're not wrong. People, FOR WHATEVER REASON I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, prefer goat for dinner over filet mignon. I'll never understand it... I guess there's no accounting for taste.

[Villavic]

You're not wrong. People, FOR WHATEVER REASON I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, prefer goat for dinner over filet mignon. I'll never understand it... I guess there's no accounting for taste.

Pleeeease!!! You really can't understand? Haven't you seen My Best Friend's Wedding? You must pay attention to the Crème brûlée / Jell-O theory. :laugh::laugh:

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie spent decades developing her solo brand. Christine’s brand was Fleetwood Mac.

What is Stevie's solo brand?

[SteveMacD]

What is Stevie's solo brand?

Stevie Nicks.

Stevie has toured consistently as a solo artist and has found ways to get her name out independently of Fleetwood Mac.

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie Nicks.

Stevie has toured consistently as a solo artist and has found ways to get her name out independently of Fleetwood Mac.
And with that too, it's the deep voice, beauty, flowing sleeves, suede boots, chiffon, shawls, and spinning.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie Nicks.

Stevie has toured consistently as a solo artist and has found ways to get her name out independently of Fleetwood Mac.

I have seriously always wondered if she would have gone anywhere if she hadn't looked like she looked.

No one ever wrote a song, "Sit On My Face, Mick Fleetwood". And that's a fact.

Just sayin'...

[SteveMacD]

I have seriously always wondered if she would have gone anywhere if she hadn't looked like she looked.

No one ever wrote a song, "Sit On My Face, Mick Fleetwood". And that's a fact.

Just sayin'...

No doubt. She was hot, she had a gimmick that became her stage persona, she had a distinctive voice, and could harmonize with anyone. She’s a unique character in the annals of Rock.

She was also very driven and maybe the most business savvy of the lot. She always went with the most relevant names of the day: Tom Petty, Don Henley, Bruce Hornsby, Kenny G, Sheryl Crow, Natalie Maines. She found ways to stay fairly relevant.

Also, think of the narrative that she couldn’t have joined Fleetwood Mac if Lindsey hadn’t insisted she be included and that the only way she could join Fleetwood Mac was if Christine liked her. Then factor in how creatively dependent she’d been on Lindsey. She no doubt had a chip on her shoulder and was hellbent on never having to be dependent on anyone professionally ever again, and after Bella Donna, she had all the security she’d ever need. Fleetwood Mac could fire her and she’d be just fine. Frankly, I’m blown away she’s not an even bigger diva.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie Nicks.

Stevie has toured consistently as a solo artist and has found ways to get her name out independently of Fleetwood Mac.

No doubt. She was hot, she had a gimmick that became her stage persona, she had a distinctive voice, and could harmonize with anyone. She’s a unique character in the annals of Rock.

She was also very driven and maybe the most business savvy of the lot. She always went with the most relevant names of the day: Tom Petty, Don Henley, Bruce Hornsby, Kenny G, Sheryl Crow, Natalie Maines. She found ways to stay fairly relevant.

Also, think of the narrative that she couldn’t have joined Fleetwood Mac if Lindsey hadn’t insisted she be included and that the only way she could join Fleetwood Mac was if Christine liked her. Then factor in how creatively dependent she’d been on Lindsey. She no doubt had a chip on her shoulder and was hellbent on never having to be dependent on anyone professionally ever again, and after Bella Donna, she had all the security she’d ever need. Fleetwood Mac could fire her and she’d be just fine. Frankly, I’m blown away she’s not an even bigger diva.

That first paragraph almost reads as if she slept her way to the top.

I have a hard time believing she was ever smart enough to have planned it all. Especially during her drug coma years. She didn't care about anything except the next D, and the next line of blow.

[UnwindedDreams]

No doubt. She was hot, she had a gimmick that became her stage persona, she had a distinctive voice, and could harmonize with anyone. She’s a unique character in the annals of Rock.

She was also very driven and maybe the most business savvy of the lot. She always went with the most relevant names of the day: Tom Petty, Don Henley, Bruce Hornsby, Kenny G, Sheryl Crow, Natalie Maines. She found ways to stay fairly relevant.

Also, think of the narrative that she couldn’t have joined Fleetwood Mac if Lindsey hadn’t insisted she be included and that the only way she could join Fleetwood Mac was if Christine liked her. Then factor in how creatively dependent she’d been on Lindsey. She no doubt had a chip on her shoulder and was hellbent on never having to be dependent on anyone professionally ever again, and after Bella Donna, she had all the security she’d ever need. Fleetwood Mac could fire her and she’d be just fine. Frankly, I’m blown away she’s not an even bigger diva.
What would be "bigger diva"? Publishing everything bad Lindsey did to her?

[BigAl84]

I think Stevie got really hurt by the sales of the album, which I thought were good, and said it's not worth it to her to make a new album.

Stevie always wants/lusts for the big splash of an album like Adele, Beyoncé etc...but she's never worked with the right people to make it happen (Bella Donna the exception). Ironically, she would probably butt heads with any big time producer that seriously pushed her. She's also so insulated, she doesn't have a good network of collaborators and producers...because she doesn't need them, her demos are better than anything. She should have made a record with the Foo Fighters as her band ten years ago. That would have been a headline.

Today she has the perfect combo. She doesn't have to work that hard on a new album when she can just do her schtick and sing the hits for boomers/gen z and haul in endless money and ego affirmation. Meanwhile, she can still play victim to the press as to why her albums don't live up to her expectations.

And to Steve's point, that chip on her shoulder to never feel she has to be dependent on anyone professionally probably hasn't done her any favors in terms of her later career output. The Stevie of today could never and would never make Bella Donna with Jimmy Iovine and that crew of musicians. She wouldn't allow any of the guidance they gave her.

Remember those interviews she did around the time of the RRHOF induction where she claimed she got to where she is entirely on her own? Sorry Jan, Goldfish & The Ladybug is not what got you to the top.

[HomerMcvie]

The Stevie of today could never and would never make Bella Donna with Jimmy Iovine and that crew of musicians. She wouldn't allow any of the guidance they gave her.

Remember those interviews she did around the time of the RRHOF induction where she claimed she got to where she is entirely on her own? Sorry Jan, Goldfish & The Ladybug is not what got you to the top.
I wonder how much input she actually had on Bella Donna, other than her lyrics. Not much, I'd guess. That album MADE HER, and I'll bet 90+% of the credit goes to Jimmy and the band she had. And you're right, she'd never allow that now. She bitches and bitches about "no one buys records now". Mama, that's because your records SUCK now. Get over your diva self, and your 6 minute songs. Let someone guide you into a hit album.
Meh, it's too late now, anyway.

And stop talking about that stupid Rhiannon movie you've been talking about for 45 f*cking years! She's such an idiot...

[SteveMacD]

And stop talking about that stupid Rhiannon movie you've been talking about for 45 f*cking years! She's such an idiot...

When Mike Campbell mentioned the Rhiannon movie in an interview right after the tour, that’s when I knew we weren’t getting a new album.

[UnwindedDreams]

When Mike Campbell mentioned the Rhiannon movie in an interview right after the tour, thatÂ’s when I knew we werenÂ’t getting a new album.Once they played Second Hand News, The Chain, Don't Stop, Gold Dust Woman, and Little Lies at the IHeartRadio Music Festival, I knew this lineup wouldn't make a new album. The IHeartRadio show was soldout before FM was announced on the lineup. Perfect opportunity to debut smoking new music and have it livestreamed and on The CW network. Nope. Same old FM. Elton did new music when he played this festival.

[jmn3]

When Mike Campbell mentioned the Rhiannon movie in an interview right after the tour, that’s when I knew we weren’t getting a new album.

I’ll go to my grave not understanding what ever would be the appeal of a Rhiannon movie. That ship sailed 45 years ago (if it ever left the dock at all)!

[SteveMacD]

I’ll go to my grave not understanding what ever would be the appeal of a Rhiannon movie. That ship sailed 45 years ago (if it ever left the dock at all)!

It would have been a classic, a masterpiece. Right up there with Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park.

[bombaysaffires]

I wonder how much input she actually had on Bella Donna, other than her lyrics. Not much, I'd guess. That album MADE HER, and I'll bet 90+% of the credit goes to Jimmy and the band she had. And you're right, she'd never allow that now. She bitches and bitches about "no one buys records now". Mama, that's because your records SUCK now. Get over your diva self, and your 6 minute songs. Let someone guide you into a hit album.
Meh, it's too late now, anyway.

And stop talking about that stupid Rhiannon movie you've been talking about for 45 f*cking years! She's such an idiot...

Jimmy had Benmont go thru her demos and work them out and rehearse them with her for MONTHS. She and the girls worked out vocal parts/harmonies themselves and with him for MONTHS prepping for that record. When she talks in interviews at the time about how "easy" it was recording BD compared to with FM, she is conveniently only talking about the actual RECORDING part, not the months and months of prep. Doesn't she say onstage at one of her few BD concerts after they sing BD "the girls and I practiced for two years to get that right"..... She got SLOPPY and lazy and too focused on partying after that. She was I believe genuinely scared sh&tless about her first solo album not doing well and having to face the gloating of some people (let's fact it, LB would be one of them) so she had a lot at stake and really buckled down and put the effort in.

One of her greatest skills is the ability to charm people, and make them feel important to her and want to help her. Lindsey talked about how that comes from her childhood- having to change schools nearly every year and having to fit in and make friends fast. Lots of people who grew up as military brats and such report having to learn the same skill-- always moving, so always having to fit in with a new group and make new friends quickly. Well, she became a master at it, and it made it work to her advantage. And frankly, she DID mostly charm men and get them to help her.... she formed Modern Records with Danny Goldberg and with Paul Fishkin, who she dated for a time and who was madly in love with her and would have married her in a heartbeat, she had Jimmy who was madly in love with her (and whom she moved in with like a week or something after meeting), Herbie was clearly enamored of her and took amazing pics of her and really taught her a lot about how to be photographed to her best advantage, and on and on. I wasn't surprised in the least when she took up with Mick after joining FM....at that time, he had the most power in the band. She knows how to identify the most useful people and to make them her allies. A huge part of her success. (In Tom's biography it talks about how she wanted to get to Tom and she decided that getting to him thru his wife would be the best route, and so befriended her by indulging her (the wife's) coke addiction. Ruthless.)

As talented as he is, Lindsey is more introverted and can be quite prickly and that doesn't win you friends in high places so much.

[Karlie]

She should have made a record with the Foo Fighters as her band ten years ago. That would have been a headline.

Oh that probably would have been a great record too. That song from the Sound City documentary was one of the best tracks of her solo career since the mid-80s.


And stop talking about that stupid Rhiannon movie you've been talking about for 45 f*cking years!

What frustrates me is that she’s had connections who could actually make a Rhiannon movie happen for nearly 10 years now, and it still isn’t happening. She could probably get Ryan Murphy to make it - all the AHS stans and witchtokers would go wild over it.

[UnwindedDreams]

One of her greatest skills is the ability to charm people, and make them feel important to her and want to help her.
This is why I think she's like Trump before the presidency in this way, charming presidents, cabinet heads, governors, and senators, scratching each other's backs.

[David]

And with that too, it's the deep voice, beauty, flowing sleeves, suede boots, chiffon, shawls, and spinning.

Basically, her brand is the first paragraph of every magazine article about her since 1981. Pick an article at random, read the first paragraph, and there’s the brand.

I just found this in the New Yorker, Feb. 15, 2022.

On TikTok, her songs provide a soundtrack to viral videos and fans pay tribute to her witchy aesthetic. Artists such as Harry Styles, Miley Cyrus, and Lana Del Rey have asked her to lend her voice to their songs, and she’s become “fairy godmother” to a wide circle of younger artists. For listeners, too, she has always acted as a kind of spiritual guide. In her music, loss is simultaneously earth-shattering and ordinary. Heartbreak is survivable, and possibly a key to self-knowledge. Many of her songs take place at night, in dreams or visions, “somewhere out in the back of your mind.” Her narrator frequently asks questions of herself and of some higher power, as if in constant conversation with her own intuition.

That’s her brand!

[DownOnRodeo]

As talented as he is, Lindsey is more introverted and can be quite prickly and that doesn't win you friends in high places so much.

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[SteveMacD]

To be fair, “prickly” is what his wife said.

[UnwindedDreams]

Today, Mick wrote a letter to Christine for her birthday and signed it "Mick Fleetwood and Fleetwood Mac"

Fleetwood Mac is John, Stevie, Mike, and Neil?

[DownOnRodeo]

Today, Mick wrote a letter to Christine for her birthday and signed it "Mick Fleetwood and Fleetwood Mac"

Fleetwood Mac is John, Stevie, Mike, and Neil?

Fleetwood Mac is whomever Mick happens to sit next to at a music awards dinner.

[SteveMacD]

Today, Mick wrote a letter to Christine for her birthday and signed it "Mick Fleetwood and Fleetwood Mac"

Fleetwood Mac is John, Stevie, Mike, and Neil?

Probably his way of saying from himself as a personal friend and from him, John, Stevie, and whoever else from the band and periphery as an entity. Not really something to be read into.

[UnwindedDreams]

Probably his way of saying from himself as a personal friend and from him, John, Stevie, and whoever else from the band and periphery as an entity. Not really something to be read into.
So it could mean Rick, Billy, Lindsey, Bekka, and Dave too, right? And then Neale Heywood, Sharon, Taku, Ricky

[SteveMacD]

So it could mean Rick, Billy, Lindsey, Bekka, and Dave too, right? And then Neale Heywood, Sharon, Taku, Ricky

Just a generic use of the name in a tribute to a bandmate on her first birthday since she’s been gone. It wasn’t about anyone, specifically.

[UnwindedDreams]

Just a generic use of the name in a tribute to a bandmate on her first birthday since she’s been gone. It wasn’t about anyone, specifically.
I’m going to respectfully disagree and share that I feel Mick believes Fleetwood Mac is still a band that is together. Even though he said he “think we’re done” at the Grammys, he mentioned Stevie, Neil, Mike, and Lindsey being on tour. Also, at Christine’s memorial service he mentioned a coming together of the members of Fleetwood Mac. I think there’s another chance for Fleetwood Mac. He went out of his way to say we survived loss in the past at the Grammys too.

[SteveMacD]

I’m going to respectfully disagree and share that I feel Mick believes Fleetwood Mac is still a band that is together. Even though he said he “think we’re done” at the Grammys, he mentioned Stevie, Neil, Mike, and Lindsey being on tour. Also, at Christine’s memorial service he mentioned a coming together of the members of Fleetwood Mac. I think there’s another chance for Fleetwood Mac. He went out of his way to say we survived loss in the past at the Grammys too.
I think John McVie selling off all of his equipment is a sufficient sign that he's burned his bridges, to borrow a phrase. Sure, he could get new equipment, but I don't see him even entertaining the idea without Christine this time around. He's too old and has/has had health issues.

With the co-headlining tours, Stevie doesn't need any other way of touring on a consistent basis. She doesn't need to run back to Fleetwood Mac after she's oversaturated her solo touring. She can simply go out with another artist on shorter tours/limited engagement outings.

And, I still don't think we'll ever see Stevie and Lindsey on the stage. As for Neil and Mike, I think they're content doing their projects, though would probably agree to do something with Fleetwood Mac if asked, if it ever comes up.

Fleetwood Mac is over...until it's not. As to who that would be, that's not something likely to be determined until it gets to "until it's not," if that ever happens (unlikely).

However, when Mick says "Fleetwood Mac" in this instance, he's talking about the musicians in general and the machinery behind them (managers, lawyers, engineers, crew, assistants, techs, etc.), not anyone specifically.

[vivfox]

Fleetwood Mac is whomever Mick happens to sit next to at a music awards dinner.

Hahahahaha

Probably his way of saying him, John, Stevie, and whoever else from the band and periphery as an entity.


So it could mean Rick, Billy, Lindsey, Bekka, and Dave too, right? And then Neale Heywood, Sharon, Taku, Ricky


It wasn’t about anyone, specifically.


I’m going to respectfully disagree and share that I feel Mick believes Fleetwood Mac is still a band that is together. Even though he said he “think we’re done” at the Grammys, he mentioned Stevie, Neil, Mike, and Lindsey being on tour.



Fleetwood Mac is over...until it's not. As to who that would be, that's not something likely to be determined until it gets to "until it's not," if that ever happens (unlikely).
However, when Mick says "Fleetwood Mac" in this instance, he's talking about the musicians in general and the machinery behind them (managers, lawyers, engineers, crew, assistants, techs, etc.), not anyone specifically.

I saw this article elsewhere(from his own page) and along with Mick's tribute to Christine he posted a pic of the Rumours lineup as Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

I saw this article elsewhere(from his own page) and along with Mick's tribute to Christine he posted a pic of the Rumours lineup as Fleetwood Mac.

He just had pictures of him and Christine (and that doll) on his FB page.

Regardless, whoever potentially is in Fleetwood Mac going forward, it’s not going to be the Rumours lineup ever again.

[anusha]

While never say never is always applicable to this band, I think it will be hard to regroup here. They're all pushing or in their 80s. Lindsey and John had significant health scares, and it looks like John has hung up his touring cases for good, based on what he sold. While Lindsey would maybe tour with a reconstituted FM for closure, I'm sure Stevie wouldn't -- she likely makes more money on her solo tours now, especially the co-headlining ones. While she may not get 50%, whatever she gets is going to be more than what she would get in a FM tour (and that's assuming that she demands and likely got at least 2x what the other band members got for the tour with Finn/Campbell).

Apparently someone who was at the memorial was interviewed and said that Stevie and Lindsey had a brief hug and he felt it was maybe a truce, but I think that maybe overstates two people hugging at the memorial of their longtime friend. Time will tell.

[FuzzyPlum]

I hope this doesn’t come across as insensitive at this time…..but I could see there being a Fleetwood Mac fundraiser concert for the people of Maui at some point.

[UnwindedDreams]

Apparently someone who was at the memorial was interviewed and said that Stevie and Lindsey had a brief hug and he felt it was maybe a truce, but I think that maybe overstates two people hugging at the memorial of their longtime friend. Time will tell.
Honestly, I don't think they were near each other. It was about Christine so Lindsey likely thought it best not to go by Stevie. Plus I'm not sure if it was a setting where people could go over to each other and talk.

I know that Sharon, Karen, Mary DeVitto, and Stevvi Alexander (2014-2017 vocals) were there.

[UnwindedDreams]

I hope this doesn’t come across as insensitive at this time…..but I could see there being a Fleetwood Mac fundraiser concert for the people of Maui at some point.
I don't think it is insensitive; it's thinking of ways to help. Such a concert would draw in millions of dollars. Mick could make it happen. One night only in Los Angeles or maybe Honolulu. Like the 12-12-12 Concert for Hurricane Sandy relief.

Aerosmith, Pearl Jam, Alice Cooper, and Fleetwood Mac can close the evening.

I can't think of other artists who are connected to Maui.

[Villavic]

I hope this doesn’t come across as insensitive at this time…..but I could see there being a Fleetwood Mac fundraiser concert for the people of Maui at some point.

That's a great idea. And with not only FM members but guest friends and artists that would like to collaborate. With a Christine tribute moment would be so beautiful.

[anusha]

Honestly, a benefit for Maui, and especially Lahaina is one of the few things that I could see FM reuniting for.

That said, given that Stevie's message -- which mentioned Mick, John, Christine, and herself as connected to Lahaina, her niece (who is studying to be a psychologist) and an Unnamed Lady Who Sells Opals in Lahaina, and didn't mention Lindsey, who I think has a family vacation home in Kauai and certainly was in Hawaii with Stevie and band over the years, I don't think Lindsey will be invited to participate.

[UnwindedDreams]

That said, given that Stevie's message -- which mentioned Mick, John, Christine, and herself as connected to Lahaina, her niece (who is studying to be a psychologist) and an Unnamed Lady Who Sells Opals in Lahaina, and didn't mention Lindsey, who I think has a family vacation home in Kauai and certainly was in Hawaii with Stevie and band over the years, I don't think Lindsey will be invited to participate.
And during her 24 Karat Gold Tour, she said the rest of FM went off to Hawaii for vacation every time they finished an FM Tour, while she jumped right in to making a solo record.

I think Mick could make it happen if he called both of them, but he may not want to push Stevie just like he didn't push Chris to reconsider retirement.

[WatchChain]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you will see Fleetwood Mac onstage again with the Say You Will era lineup of Lindsey, Stevie, Mick and John.

It's not a matter of if, but when. When Stevie finishes her 2023 tour dates, there will be discussions.

It will not be a long tour. There won't be an album or new music.

There will be a few one-off shows as a way of closing the door and paying a final tribute to Christine. They might play 3 or 4 festivals.

You have not seen the last of Lindsey and Stevie sharing the same stage. Mark my words.

[anusha]

As much as I don't think they *should* reunite, I think that as long as money is available, there's always a chance that Mick, Stevie and Lindsey will share a stage again. I'm not as convinced about John.

[bombaysaffires]

Honestly, a benefit for Maui, and especially Lahaina is one of the few things that I could see FM reuniting for.

That said, given that Stevie's message -- which mentioned Mick, John, Christine, and herself as connected to Lahaina, her niece (who is studying to be a psychologist) and an Unnamed Lady Who Sells Opals in Lahaina, and didn't mention Lindsey, who I think has a family vacation home in Kauai and certainly was in Hawaii with Stevie and band over the years, I don't think Lindsey will be invited to participate.

I'm on the fence about this one... I TOTALLY think if Mick organized some sort of benefit he would at least ask Lindsey to participate. And this would NOT be a "FM" gig (I just don't think John would participate... not saying never, but...seems unlikely) so Mick could say that to Stevie to try and persuade her. Now...would she perform with LB? I'm betting no. They might both show up, and they might both do a song or two, but not together....and the more anyone pushes it of course the more La Nicks would dig her heels in.

I will just say this.... if Lindsey goes before she does (as in the ultimate "goes") I really really really really really really really do. NOT. want. to hear her giving interviews about how sad she is, how special he was blah blah blah blah blah

[UnwindedDreams]

I will just say this.... if Lindsey goes before she does (as in the ultimate "goes") I really really really really really really really do. NOT. want. to hear her giving interviews about how sad she is, how special he was blah blah blah blah blah
But then where's the memoir she said would outline Lindsey's sins from 1968 to 2018?
It would probably have a foreword from the highly sought out expert and sin-free Vanessa Carlton.

[WatchChain]

No benefit necessary.

Benefit or no benefit, right or wrong, there is going to be a very short Fleetwood Mac Farewell Tour featuring the Say You Will lineup of Stevie, Lindsey, Mick and John (the 4 remaining members alive).

I would say the tour will play no more than 10 dates, perhaps even a big festival. The show will be heavy on the Christine McVie tributes, speeches about "time being precious", "tomorrow is not promised", "healing", "if only we had known", etc...

Since pre-recorded backing tracks can now be used, the shows won't require very much rehearsal.

It will happen. The one slim exception might be John -- but they will find a way to wheel him out.

[SteveMacD]

A benefit works, but a limited engagement tour? Nah.

[HomerMcvie]

No benefit necessary.

Benefit or no benefit, right or wrong, there is going to be a very short Fleetwood Mac Farewell Tour featuring the Say You Will lineup of Stevie, Lindsey, Mick and John (the 4 remaining members alive).

I would say the tour will play no more than 10 dates, perhaps even a big festival. The show will be heavy on the Christine McVie tributes, speeches about "time being precious", "tomorrow is not promised", "healing", "if only we had known", etc...

Since pre-recorded backing tracks can now be used, the shows won't require very much rehearsal.

It will happen. The one slim exception might be John -- but they will find a way to wheel him out.
This idea SUCKS. Veto. I hope divine intervention intervenes, rather than resurrect the ghost of the band of my life.

[Macfan4life]

I hope this doesn’t come across as insensitive at this time…..but I could see there being a Fleetwood Mac fundraiser concert for the people of Maui at some point.
I also predict that too. It gives Stevie cover to reunite with Lindsey and try and do damage control for her social media post. I think there will be a giant LA show with lots of bands and Fleetwood Mac as the closer.

Write it down.

[FuzzyPlum]

No benefit necessary.

Benefit or no benefit, right or wrong, there is going to be a very short Fleetwood Mac Farewell Tour featuring the Say You Will lineup of Stevie, Lindsey, Mick and John (the 4 remaining members alive).

I would say the tour will play no more than 10 dates, perhaps even a big festival. The show will be heavy on the Christine McVie tributes, speeches about "time being precious", "tomorrow is not promised", "healing", "if only we had known", etc...

Since pre-recorded backing tracks can now be used, the shows won't require very much rehearsal.

It will happen. The one slim exception might be John -- but they will find a way to wheel him out.

I very much doubt it. Maybe a one off event, but no tour, however short it is

[jmn3]

I also predict that too. It gives Stevie cover to reunite with Lindsey and try and do damage control for her social media post. I think there will be a giant LA show with lots of bands and Fleetwood Mac as the closer.

Write it down.

I really doubt it at this point. I don’t think Stevie’s gotta do too much damage control - it really wasn’t a long term type of oopsie and is already well out of the news cycle. I still don’t see L&S sharing a stage again. I certainly don’t see him bowing down to her and she is not going to apologize or admit any wrongdoing from 5 years ago. I think the bloom is off the rose. As for a benefit, I could see Mick organizing and being involved heavily and playing with a ton of artists including Stevie and Lindsey, but separately.

And if we see a “Fleetwood Mac” consisting of Mick, Stevie, Neil, and Mike, that would just be the most laughable crap ever.

[SteveMacD]

And if we see a “Fleetwood Mac” consisting of Mick, Stevie, Neil, and Mike, that would just be the most laughable crap ever.

EVER? Like worse than 1994-95?

[jmn3]

EVER? Like worse than 1994-95?

Yes. They were on their way to Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, etc territory at that point. 1-2 original or “known” members and some randoms replacing the classic lineup with a set mostly paying homage to the songs that made them most famous. Once they reaffirmed the classic lineup in 1997, going back to something resembling that 94-95 thing would be even worse and totally unnecessary in 2023. A Fleetwood Mac with no McVie’s and only one of the classic three songwriters would be worse.

[HomerMcvie]

Yes. They were on their way to Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, etc territory at that point. 1-2 original or “known” members and some randoms replacing the classic lineup with a set mostly paying homage to the songs that made them most famous. Once they reaffirmed the classic lineup in 1997, going back to something resembling that 94-95 thing would be even worse and totally unnecessary in 2023. A Fleetwood Mac with no McVie’s and only one of the classic three songwriters would be worse.

THIS. Just f*cking THIS. This ain't 1994-5.

It's OVER. Please...

[bombaysaffires]

Yes. They were on their way to Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, etc territory at that point. 1-2 original or “known” members and some randoms replacing the classic lineup with a set mostly paying homage to the songs that made them most famous. Once they reaffirmed the classic lineup in 1997, going back to something resembling that 94-95 thing would be even worse and totally unnecessary in 2023. A Fleetwood Mac with no McVie’s and only one of the classic three songwriters would be worse.

and everyone knows that except Stevie and maybe Mick...no John and calling it FM might just be the line he won't want to cross.... then again, money talks.

I said it before so I'll say it again like many on here.... MAYBE a benefit show to raise money in which S & L each appear separately... but snowball's chance in hell of them performing together.

And dear god, please NOOOOO tour of any "Fleetwood Mac" Frankenstein band any time, ever.

[sue]

I think Mick will organise a benefit, with big name friends appearing.
And just one song from the remaining four.
This could be counted as a help towards the Benefit.

A farewell and last goodbye to Christine.

And a swan song…..for Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

And a swan song…..for Fleetwood Mac.

That was BuckVie. You can thank the old goat for that. THAT'S HER LEGACY.

[UnwindedDreams]

Yes. They were on their way to Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, etc territory at that point. 1-2 original or “known” members and some randoms replacing the classic lineup with a set mostly paying homage to the songs that made them most famous. Once they reaffirmed the classic lineup in 1997, going back to something resembling that 94-95 thing would be even worse and totally unnecessary in 2023. A Fleetwood Mac with no McVie’s and only one of the classic three songwriters would be worse.
I think I’ve said that I bought tickets for the 2018 Tour because I thought there was going to be songs from a new album or a new EP performed. I also don’t hide that I’m a Stevie fan first so I’d see her in any lineup.
The 1994-1995 lineup played Time songs in their set. I respect that and even though Mick regretted that lineup in his second book, I respect that lineup as Fleetwood Mac because they made art. I am not an oldies person, I want to hear new music in the live show.
While I call the 2018 lineup Fleetwood Mac, I don’t have respect for the tour because the new lineup did not play new studio songs. But I did give them about a thousand bucks in the tickets I bought for the four shows I attended before I knew what the setlist would be.
Stevie is my favorite artist of all time but after SYW, she turned FM into a jukebox group when they could have been like Springsteen who only tours with new music. She had all the power in the band and could have yelled at Lindsey in the studio in 2008, 2012, and 2014 and threaten to quit but she just didn’t want to make new music with Fleetwood Mac. I think she used Lindsey as her reason for not wanting to do a FM album but it was her fear of poor sales.

[Villavic]

EVER? Like worse than 1994-95?

The only thing I rescue from that era were the Christine songs in Time. Those were the only songs I ripped from the CD (I don't have a CD player anymore).

[anusha]

I agree that I don’t think there will be a full reunion. That said I wouldn’t rule out some kind of mini-FM reunion at a Maui benefit. I think Lindsey is pretty desperate for closure so would take any kind of olive branch offered.

[HomerMcvie]

I agree that I don’t think there will be a full reunion. That said I wouldn’t rule out some kind of mini-FM reunion at a Maui benefit. I think Lindsey is pretty desperate for closure so would take any kind of olive branch offered.

Maybe he should just get publicly castrated, and let Stevie lead him around on a leash. Sounds about right.

[bombaysaffires]

https://www.etonline.com/mick-fleetw...clusive-209974

Mick Fleetwood on Planning Benefit Concert After Maui Wildfires: 'Music Heals' (Exclusive)

By Mona Khalifeh* 3:18 PM PDT, August 18, 2023

Mick Fleetwood is planning a benefit concert to help those impacted by the recent wildfires in Maui.

ET's Kevin Frazier spoke to the Fleetwood Mac drummer, who lives on the Hawaiian island, about the benefit concert and the healing power of music.

"I've already got a lovely sort of catalog of people that are concerned. I will remain mute on who they are, but I will either become part of something that we can do on a grand scale, which is great," Fleetwood said of the concert, currently in the works. "Anything is great, and playing in Honolulu, about 2 weeks from now, and that concert's becoming -- Henry Kapono who lives in Oahu, was celebrating the 50th anniversary of his career -- well, I'm going to be doing that show, supporting."

"So, all of this is unfolding is something I feel I can be apart, or really be spearheading," the famed drummer continued. "And it's not now, but music heals, and music does its version of what I'm doing now."

For Fleetwood, the tragedy hits home even harder, with Maui the place the 76-year-old musician calls home, and a place where he once owned a restaurant. The Front St. property was one of the many establishments lost in the blaze.

"I happen to live here. This is my home. I'm not passing through. People think, 'Oh, how many times do you come here and see your restaurant?" I say, 'No, no, no. I live here. This is the only home I have,'" he stressed. "And so all of that is something -- not to jump too far ahead, but the intention would be absolutely to be part of, or to be right shaking the flag, to rally around and put on a great incredibly beautiful show. Which I know can be done."

The wildfires were first reported on Aug. 8. Fires began to ravage Maui as a result of drought conditions and hurricane weather. At least 99 people have been confirmed dead, making it the deadliest wildfire in the United States in more than a century. The entire town of Lahaina has been left in ruins.

"Well, the enormity is still of what happened, which is absolutely beyond belief, is that in a very, very short space of time over those hills, I can hardly look around, in Lahaina town, and that area around Lahaina town, disappeared within minutes with a wildfire which has been credited as being one of the most vicious if not the most catastrophic wildfires in the country," Fleetwood said of the devastation the wildfires have caused. "And that you can't comprehend, but I can tell you, we in Hawaii have a word which is Ohana, which is family, and that's the reason people come, and I believe, come to these lovely islands where there's a sense of that, it still exists. So, that home, that Ohana was destroyed within minutes, and we're still finding out how catastrophic it still continues to be."

He continued, "Having something happen, and be completely in shock and for those drastic amounts of time, no one knew what was going on and no one had a clue where anyone was. All the communications broke down, and so the family, the community that survived as in real time there, amazingly you more than myself maybe, but I've certainly heard of such heroic deeds, which is a testament not only to what happened here, but you most often hear that the human condition comes through in these awful situations all over this planet, and of course in our own United States of America you see people coming and doing things that are beyond belief extraordinary to help."

In addition to putting on a benefit concert, Fleetwood's foundation will direct any donated funds to organizations to help survivors, with the directed funds to Maui Food Bank, Hawaii Community Foundation – Maui Strong Fund, and Maui Humane Society -- all of which are helping the island and its residents rebuild after the wildfires.

"I have a foundation here now, The Mick Fleetwood foundation -- Mick Fleetwood Foundation.Org will lead you to several really, really Bonafide organizations that are right here feet, on the ground already doing it, and we are adding to that dialog through the foundation, the mickfleetwoodfoundation.org will lead you to that," Fleetwood explained. "The fact is, there is a whole load of wonderful places you could go. That's me doing something I have a comfort with, really knowing what we are already affiliated with, are people that really know what they are doing."

As for what people need, Fleetwood, who came back to the island on a plane filled with supplies, said at the present time, the people of Maui need food and water.

What's more almost as meaningful as raising money, he added, is keeping the attention on what's going on in Maui as the island works to rebuild, something Fleetwood said music helps to do.

"Apart from raising the money, what I think is really, really important, me sitting here doing what I'm doing, and also the manifest of music coming to the fore... but what we can do has been proven to really rally, and keep the attention, keep the attention incrementally as this goes on, is something that I think music is really a powerful medium [for], and the people, whoever they might be, participating in that, is almost an endless way of, 'Don't forget, don't forget and don't forget.'"

To learn more about how you can help, check out http://www.mickfleetwoodfoundation.org.

[FuzzyPlum]

All quiet as far as the idea of a benefit concert goes…..all gone very quiet. Not sure what to think. Maybe nothing much will happen after all. Or maybe something quite big is in the pipeline. Has anyone heard Mick talk about this recently???

[HomerMcvie]

All quiet as far as the idea of a benefit concert goes…..all gone very quiet. Not sure what to think. Maybe nothing much will happen after all. Or maybe something quite big is in the pipeline. Has anyone heard Mick talk about this recently???

There was a big benefit concert there a week ago(my cousin performed at it).

Mick probably figured that there wasn't enough return for himself in it?

[FuzzyPlum]

There was a big benefit concert there a week ago(my cousin performed at it).

Mick probably figured that there wasn't enough return for himself in it?

Ha….big, but not big enough for Mick. Perhaps he asked Lindsey and he said no so gave up on the idea. We’ll see….still time.

[Villavic]

Do you mean Maui Ola: A Benefit Concert for Maui?

I read this article and the list of artists sounds mostly local, hawaiians, or at least I don't identify any wide known artists, legentds, etc.

https://www.mauinews.com/news/community-news/2023/09/benefit-concert-raises-nearly-1-million-for-maui-relief-efforts/

I read about other concerts but they are local scope too (San Antonio, Sonoma), but no mega concert. I think if someone organizes and asks mega artists (popular, legends), several will accept to help.

[Macfan4life]

I hope I am wrong but still predict some sort of benefit concert in LA. Stevie and Lindsey will both perform together and shake hands on stage. There will be lots of hoopla around it too.

Now will Mick sell meet and greets?
Dont laugh yet. Remember this guy sold his rock n roll hall of fame award for petty cash.

[FuzzyPlum]

I hope I am wrong but still predict some sort of benefit concert in LA. Stevie and Lindsey will both perform together and shake hands on stage. There will be lots of hoopla around it too.

Now will Mick sell meet and greets?
Dont laugh yet. Remember this guy sold his rock n roll hall of fame award for petty cash.

You hope you’re wrong? Why???? It would be a good thing. Some closure of sorts for the band….and for a good cause.

[Macfan4life]

You hope you’re wrong? Why???? It would be a good thing. Some closure of sorts for the band….and for a good cause.
Let me play Never Going Back Again on my guitar or Can't Go Back on my casio piano :)

I have no issue with raising money for the people of Maui. I don't want to see Stevie trying to save face for her Maui response and for what she did to Lindsey and Fleetwood Mac's last tour. Yes I know. I am still bitter and always will be. Yes I know Lindsey would do it in a heartbeat but I hope he would not. Mick did not need Lindsey until now he needs Lindsey now that Chris is gone. If anything it makes me even more bitter.

[FuzzyPlum]

Let me play Never Going Back Again on my guitar or Can't Go Back on my casio piano :)

I have no issue with raising money for the people of Maui. I don't want to see Stevie trying to save face for her Maui response and for what she did to Lindsey and Fleetwood Mac's last tour. Yes I know. I am still bitter and always will be. Yes I know Lindsey would do it in a heartbeat but I hope he would not. Mick did not need Lindsey until now he needs Lindsey now that Chris is gone. If anything it makes me even more bitter.

Fair play. I get it…..but I’d still like to see it happen, I guess.

[SteveMacD]

If Stevie couldn’t even mention Lindsey in her letter about Maui when she talked about Mick, John, and Christine, I doubt she has any plans on taking the stage with Lindsey.

[UnwindedDreams]

If Stevie couldn’t even mention Lindsey in her letter about Maui when she talked about Mick, John, and Christine, I doubt she has any plans on taking the stage with Lindsey.
I agree. Also Mike wasn't mentioned in that letter and he has a place in Maui.

The Buckingham Nicks post however was a shock to see her even post a photo of her WITH Lindsey who her team makes out to be an abusive demon and given that she HATES the cover. I didn't think she'd acknowledge the anniversary.

[Murrow]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you will see Fleetwood Mac onstage again with the Say You Will era lineup of Lindsey, Stevie, Mick and John.

It's not a matter of if, but when. When Stevie finishes her 2023 tour dates, there will be discussions.

It will not be a long tour. There won't be an album or new music.

There will be a few one-off shows as a way of closing the door and paying a final tribute to Christine. They might play 3 or 4 festivals.

You have not seen the last of Lindsey and Stevie sharing the same stage. Mark my words.

Lindsey is working on his own album right now. He will want to promote that if anything.

Moreover all I can say is dream on - no don't even dream. John's had enough, so much bad blood, no more Chris to be peacekeeper (note lowercase).

It really is best just put to rest now. No funeral required.

[FM77]

Stevie will continue to tour solo. 9 shows with Billy Joel grossed nearly 100 million. She is done with FM. Chris is gone—-there is no band. Time marches on.

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie will continue to tour solo. 9 shows with Billy Joel grossed nearly 100 million. She is done with FM. Chris is gone—-there is no band. Time marches on.
True, just not for the songs in her setlist.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie will continue to tour solo. 9 shows with Billy Joel grossed nearly 100 million. She is done with FM. Chris is gone—-there is no band. Time marches on.

I hope you're right. The daisies are getting tall.

[David]

Agreed. Mac is over. Mick will find some players, Stevie will tour and twirl, Lindsey will record overtreated, painstaking albums, and John will I hope enjoy peace and quiet and good health.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Agreed. Mac is over. Mick will find some players, Stevie will tour and twirl, Lindsey will record overtreated, painstaking albums, and John will I hope enjoy peace and quiet and good health.

It would just be nice for the fans, if they could get together, at least one last time, while they're all still alive.

They could call themselves 'The Three Fireflies'. Mick, Lindsey and Stevie. If John can borrow a bass for the event considering he has sold his bass, it could be 'The Four Fireflies'.

Melanie Safka, ('Brand New Key', 'Lay Down', (Candles In The Rain'), 'Ruby Tuesday') passed away recently. She was 76. We, don't live forever, unfortunately!

[BrownEyedGirl26]

[QUOTE=BrownEyedGirl26;1292246]It would just be nice for the fans, if they could get together, at least one last time, while they're all still alive.

They could call themselves 'The Three Fireflies'. Mick, Lindsey and Stevie. If John can borrow a bass for the event considering he has sold his bass, it could be 'The Four Fireflies'.

Melanie Safka, ('Brand New Key', 'Lay Down, Lay Down, (Candles In The Rain'), and her version of the Rolling Stones, 'Ruby Tuesday'), passed away recently. She was 76.

Melanie was a sweet lady and always treated her fans with kindness and respect. This will be her legacy, and of course, her, beautiful, amazing voice. 'Rest In Peace, Lovely Lady'!

[BrownEyedGirl26]

[QUOTE=BrownEyedGirl26;1292246]It would just be nice for the fans, if they could get together, at least one last time, while they're all still alive.

They could call themselves 'The Three Fireflies'. Mick, Lindsey and Stevie. If John can borrow a bass for the event considering he has sold his bass, it could be 'The Four Fireflies'.

Melanie Safka, ('Brand New Key', 'Lay Down, Lay Down', ('Candles In The Rain'), and her version of the Rolling Stones 'Ruby Tuesday') passed away recently. She was 76.

Melanie was a sweet lady, who, always, treated her fans with kindness and respect. This will be her legacy and, of course, her beautiful, amazing voice! Rest In Peace, Lovely Lady'!:angel:

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Fair play. I get it…..but I’d still like to see it happen, I guess.

Hi FuzzyPlum,
I agree with your comments, and would still like to see it happen for at least one last time! Time is ticking away and we don't live forever!
It will, definitely, be too late when one more of the remaining 'Fireflies' passes away. Kind Regards!