Ever notice?

[SteveMacD]

Mick was topless on the Heroes Are Hard To Find cover and Lindsey and Stevie were topless on the Buckingham Nicks cover, their last projects before the two groups merged?

[SteveMacD]

Buckingham Nicks were popular in a city called Birmingham and Christine was from a city called Birmingham?

[DownOnRodeo]

That the most famous line from their only US number 1 single ("thunder only happens when it's raining") is patently false?

[DownOnRodeo]

That there are nine tracks by Lindsey and Stevie, almost exactly equal in duration to the length of the Buckingham Nicks album (approx. 35 minutes), between Christine's songs Think About Me and Brown Eyes on the Tusk album?

[SteveMacD]

That there are nine tracks by Lindsey and Stevie, almost exactly equal in duration to the length of the Buckingham Nicks album (approx. 35 minutes), between Christine's songs Think About Me and Brown Eyes on the Tusk album?

Yes! That's arguably the only knock I have with Tusk. However, I don't know where I would have put one of Christine's songs in that sequence without killing the flow of the album.

[Macfan4life]

Yes! That's arguably the only knock I have with Tusk. However, I don't know where I would have put one of Christine's songs in that sequence without killing the flow of the album.
The flow of the album is that there is no flow. You may be used to or familiar with the tracking of all these years though. I dont find it a coincidence that the albums most quirky song The Ledge is followed by the album's most conventional track Think About Me. Christine does disappear midway through and I find that annoying. There is a separate thread around where we played with retracking Tusk and I must say, I vastly improved the album with my tracking :)

Tusk is the only album that gives Stevie an album side lead with Angel. None of her songs are ever the first track on any album side. Being it was a double album with 4 sides is not much of a bragging point. Stevie also never had the lead single off any Mac album. These were subtle ways of trying to remind everyone that Stevie was not the lead singer of the band. Holding her to only 3 songs held Mirage back because she was on fire during that time. Book of Love or Diane could have been dropped (or both) for Smile At You and Mirage would have been so much better. Even with BTM, the band held to this tradition.

[On Ice]

Lots of coincidences there, fun to read through them. I think I wore out my Tusk vinyl back in the day and didn't really pay much attention to Christine's disappearance, but in hindsight, wow, she's barely noticeable through those tracks, but makes up for it from Brown Eyes on. With Mirage, totally agree about Stevie's song count I would say at minimum one more song, definitely Smile at You, but If You Were My Love was pretty close to being fleshed out and could've featured enough Buckingham to axe his weaker songs, which coincidentally, weigh the album down.

[jbrownsjr]

Lots of coincidences there, fun to read through them. I think I wore out my Tusk vinyl back in the day and didn't really pay much attention to Christine's disappearance, but in hindsight, wow, she's barely noticeable through those tracks, but makes up for it from Brown Eyes on. With Mirage, totally agree about Stevie's song count I would say at minimum one more song, definitely Smile at You, but If You Were My Love was pretty close to being fleshed out and could've featured enough Buckingham to axe his weaker songs, which coincidentally, weigh the album down.

Smile At You and take out Oh Diane. (Oh no, here I go, again)

[jbrownsjr]

That the most famous line from their only US number 1 single ("thunder only happens when it's raining") is patently false?

But the clouds, never expect it when it rains. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[DownOnRodeo]

That the album titles on Tango In The Night and Greatest Hits use the same font (I think Times New Roman) and small caps, and that the mingled wash of olive green and yellow on Greatest Hits is similar to part of the sky on Tango In The Night?

[DownOnRodeo]

That there is a penguin on the cover of Tango In The Night?

[DownOnRodeo]

Put Book Of Love right back on the album where it belongs, please.
Feel free to sub out Straight Blecch for Smile At You, though.

Oh Diane was a surprise hit for the band. It's on the UK and antipodean versions of the Greatest Hits album. I think of it as Fleetwood Mac's Fernando for some reason. I've always appreciated the song on a deeper level since hearing the theory that the lyrics can be heard as "Oh dying" and "life is like a grain of sand, slowly slipping through your hand."

[DownOnRodeo]

That Lindsey, Christine, and Stevie each have the letter "I" in both their first and last names.

Lindsey Buckingham
Stevie/Stephanie Nicks
Christine McVie

[DownOnRodeo]

That, at 7 words and 28 letters, What Makes You Think You're The One is the longest song title of a Rumours era album track?

Another Buckingham track, Murrow Turning Over In His Grave, is runner up, at 6 words and 27 letters.

[HomerMcvie]

Book of Love or Diane could have been dropped (or both) for Smile At You and Mirage would have been so much better. Even with BTM, the band held to this tradition.

You STAY TF away from Book Of Love. :mad:

Can't Go Back and Book Of Love are the AURAL CANDY that makes Mirage magical to me.

[DownOnRodeo]

That Only Over You is the only Fleetwood Mac album track released in the 1980s on which Christine has a sole writing credit?

Likewise, the song Behind The Mask is the only Fleetwood Mac studio album track released in the 90s on which she has a sole writing credit.

[Macfan4life]

You STAY TF away from Book Of Love. :mad:

Can't Go Back and Book Of Love are the AURAL CANDY that makes Mirage magical to me.
Side 2 Lindsey songs stay.
There is little consensus on this board but a few months ago with the least favorite Lindsey songs, Oh Diane was all over it (now that I said that the Oh Diane crowd will strike back).
On Mirage we get a country Stevie with That's Alright, a pop Stevie with Gypsy, a rock Stevie with Straight back. We need that angry Stevie to complete the circle. Smile at You was so needed on Mirage. Something has to go. Oh Diane for sure. For an extended Smile at you, Book of Love is the vice. Or maybe just maybe a re-recorded Oh Daddy would be nice ;)

[HomerMcvie]

Side 2 Lindsey songs stay.
There is little consensus on this board but a few months ago with the least favorite Lindsey songs, Oh Diane was all over it (now that I said that the Oh Diane crowd will strike back).
On Mirage we get a country Stevie with That's Alright, a pop Stevie with Gypsy, a rock Stevie with Straight back. We need that angry Stevie to complete the circle. Smile at You was so needed on Mirage. Something has to go. Oh Diane for sure. For an extended Smile at you, Book of Love is the vice. Or maybe just maybe a re-recorded Oh Daddy would be nice ;)
Of course you're right.

You're seemingly right about everything.

At least that's what you tell us. :laugh:

[justanotherliar]

Mick was topless on the Heroes Are Hard To Find cover and Lindsey and Stevie were topless on the Buckingham Nicks cover, their last projects before the two groups merged?

And, not long after the release of the BuckinghamMcvie album, Stevie and Mick were completely $hamele$$..

[jbrownsjr]

You STAY TF away from Book Of Love. :mad:

Can't Go Back and Book Of Love are the AURAL CANDY that makes Mirage magical to me.

I agree. Love both songs.

[jbrownsjr]

Of course you're right.

You're seemingly right about everything.

At least that's what you tell us. :laugh:

Macfan is always right, that's what so wrong about 'em.

[jbrownsjr]

And, not long after the release of the BuckinghamMcvie album, Stevie and Mick were completely $hamele$$..

Naked under cover vs. on the cover.

[HomerMcvie]

I agree. Love both songs.

That's because we have excellent taste!

[HomerMcvie]

Macfan is always right, that's what so wrong about 'em.

Lort, don't feed that massive ego! :mad:




:D

[Macfan4life]

Of course you're right.

You're seemingly right about everything.

At least that's what you tell us. :laugh:


You know what. You can ride high atop your pony

Santa Claus knows who's naughty or nice. I know who's wrong or right. If it was not for me Little Lies would not have been a hit.

I KNOW I'M NOT WRONG

[HomerMcvie]

Santa Claus knows who's naughty or nice. I know who's wrong or right. If it was not for me Little Lies would not have been a hit.

I KNOW I'M NOT WRONG


You know what. You can ride high atop your pony
Everyone likes to think about me being naughty, but I'm nice, as long as you follow. Now won't you save me a place, or that's all for everyone.

[SteveMacD]

I say replace the sonic and lyrical dread that is “Empire State” with a Stevie song.

[BombaySapphire3]

Oh Diane was a surprise hit for the band. It's on the UK and antipodean versions of the Greatest Hits album. I think of it as Fleetwood Mac's Fernando for some reason. I've always appreciated the song on a deeper level since hearing the theory that the lyrics can be heard as "Oh dying" and "life is like a grain of sand, slowly slipping through your hand."

Hmm Fernando was a decent sized hit in the states too though almost top ten. Maybe Oh Diane is more like Fleetwood Mac's Chiquitita?:lol:

[Macfan4life]

Hmm Fernando was a decent sized hit in the states too though almost top ten. Maybe Oh Diane is more like Fleetwood Mac's Chiquitita?:lol:
Ha!
Let's be clear. NONE of the Mirage songs suck. They are all really good. But when you have better material Oh Diane needs left as a B side or left as a demo somewhere. You gotta make decisions. I do love when the band lip synced it to that dance club. King of Pops in England? I forget. They were so rich with songs and Lindsey got too many and Stevie got so few. I get it, Stevie just came off a #1 solo album and her space was limited

[jbrownsjr]

I say replace the sonic and lyrical dread that is “Empire State” with a Stevie song.

Come what may, Mr. SteveMac. But, that's not how we do it in LA.

[bombaysaffires]

But the clouds, never expect it when it rains. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

But the sea changes color, but the sea does not change

[jbrownsjr]

But the sea changes color, but the sea does not change

Yea, but have you ever heard another voice call through the door?

[rhiannondontgo]

That the most famous line from their only US number 1 single ("thunder only happens when it's raining") is patently false?

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it only called a landslide when it’s land (I.e dirt, mud, rocks, etc) falling and an avalanche when it’s snow falling? Since the song is set in snow-covered Aspen, wouldn’t anything falling down be an avalanche and not a landslide?

[HomerMcvie]

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it only called a landslide when it’s land (I.e dirt, mud, rocks, etc) falling and an avalanche when it’s snow falling? Since the song is set in snow-covered Aspen, wouldn’t anything falling down be an avalanche and not a landslide?

$he's also been in the Army for 47 years, so $he's not the brightest bulb on the tree.

[SteveMacD]

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it only called a landslide when it’s land (I.e dirt, mud, rocks, etc) falling and an avalanche when it’s snow falling? Since the song is set in snow-covered Aspen, wouldn’t anything falling down be an avalanche and not a landslide?
You wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan.

Seriously, in her defense, "Well the avalanche will bring you down" doesn't sound as poetic.

[aleuzzi]

That Only Over You is the only Fleetwood Mac album track released in the 1980s on which Christine has a sole writing credit?

Likewise, the song Behind The Mask is the only Fleetwood Mac studio album track released in the 90s on which she has a sole writing credit.

Very interesting. But actually Christine has sole writing credit on Everywhere, too.

Still, I think what this shows us is that she is much more generous with co-authorship.

[DownOnRodeo]

Christine has sole writing credit on Everywhere, too.

Oops, I acted peculiarly. :laugh:

[Macfan4life]

Oops, I acted peculiarly. :laugh:
Nah, that's just what your friends say

[aleuzzi]

Oops, I acted peculiarly. :laugh:

Hey, they say I’m a silly girl, too, so…

Technically, One More Night is sole writing credit, too, but it’s not for a studio album…

[jbrownsjr]

Oops, I acted peculiarly. :laugh:

I thought you were so so so sincere.

[DownOnRodeo]

I thought you were so so so sincere.

(Drives off in his funny little white car)

[Villavic]

Buckingham Nicks were popular in a city called Birmingham

Yes, according to Mick's first book:

But Buckingham Nicks enjoyed one last gasp. Right after they joined us, someone in Birmingham, Alabama called up and asked them to headline a show. Twice in the previous year Buckingham Nicks had opened shows there; the local radio played their album, which enjoyed strong local sales. So they flew off to Alabama with three other players and discovered that Buckingham Nicks had sold out a six-thousand-seat hall! And the audience went nuts when they came out. Their minds were completely boggled. Unknown in L.A., unable even to get a cheap gig somewhere, they were heroes in Birmingham. They played several dates of this great Buckingham Nicks Farewell Tour. At the last show, Lindsey announced that they were joining Fleetwood Mac, and the audience could only gape, silently. What, Lindsey Buckingham wondered, were they getting themselves into?

[aleuzzi]

Ever notice…

Christine still has not acknowledged her 1973 affair with Martin Birch—and Mick has never written a word about it, despite the Bobs spilling the beans during their respective Q&As.

Bob Brunning also mentioned it in his shabbily researched account of the band, though it’s not certain he isn’t merely plagiarizing the other Bobs.

Edit: Also not suggesting she should acknowledge it. Only that, if it’s true, which is likely given both Bobs confirming, then it is a significant piece of Mac drama conspicuously absent from official record.

[HomerMcvie]

Ever notice…

Christine still has not acknowledged her 1973 affair with Martin Birch—and Mick has never written a word about it, despite the Bobs spilling the beans during their respective Q&As.

Bob Brunning also mentioned it in his shabbily researched account of the band, though it’s not certain he isn’t merely plagiarizing the other Bobs.

Edit: Also not suggesting she should acknowledge it. Only that, if it’s true, which is likely given both Bobs confirming, then it is a significant piece of Mac drama conspicuously absent from official record.

Few want to admit to cheating, or being a ho. I mean with $tevie, the dalliances were so frequent that a time clock was installed bedside. :cool: But it seems Chris only had the manual login system.

[aleuzzi]

Few want to admit to cheating, or being a ho. I mean with $tevie, the dalliances were so frequent that a time clock was installed bedside. :cool: But it seems Chris only had the manual login system.

But was it that simple (cheating and “being a ho”?). From what both Bobs have said, the McVie’s marriage was rocky at that point and John was often absent on benders. So, maybe she wasn’t being a ho at all. Maybe she was just finding love where she could.

Mind you—I also don’t think bring a straight-up ho is necessarily bad. I just think her (Mick’s) omission of this is odd, given that she freely admits to the affair with Curry Grant.

[HomerMcvie]

But was it that simple (cheating and “being a ho”?). From what both Bobs have said, the McVie’s marriage was rocky at that point and John was often absent on benders. So, maybe she wasn’t being a ho at all. Maybe she was just finding love where she could.

Mind you—I also don’t think bring a straight-up ho is necessarily bad. I just think her (Mick’s) omission of this is odd, given that she freely admits to the affair with Curry Grant.

I have a personal thing about people cheating. I have zero tolerance for cheaters(in my life).

A decade ago, I had a couple years of being a ho. It was GREAT, until the day it wasn't. Then I was done...

[aleuzzi]

I have a personal thing about people cheating. I have zero tolerance for cheaters(in my life).

A decade ago, I had a couple years of being a ho. It was GREAT, until the day it wasn't. Then I was done...

I get it. Seriously, I do. I love you for what you are…

[SteveMacD]

But was it that simple (cheating and “being a ho”?). From what both Bobs have said, the McVie’s marriage was rocky at that point and John was often absent on benders. So, maybe she wasn’t being a ho at all. Maybe she was just finding love where she could.

Mind you—I also don’t think bring a straight-up ho is necessarily bad. I just think her (Mick’s) omission of this is odd, given that she freely admits to the affair with Curry Grant.

Not to mention John was having an affair with Sandra Elsdon.

[jbrownsjr]

I get it. Seriously, I do. I love you for what you are…

Her kind of town.

[michelej1]

You wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan.

Seriously, in her defense, "Well the avalanche will bring you down" doesn't sound as poetic.

Point taken. I love Thrown Down, but that is a real thing. Seeing a crowd barricade thrown down in my head is not too romantic. I usually think hurricane when I sing the song. Although you don’t throw down hurricanes.

[SteveMacD]

Although you don’t throw down hurricanes.

Except maybe on Bourbon Street.

[DownOnRodeo]

At the start of the Little Lies video, Christine's chair is so low at the piano it looks very fake or like a child playing, but later in the video the chair is higher relative to the piano, such that it looks like she could actually be playing the piano without developing carpal tunnel syndrome.

<a href="https://ibb.co/h8FQMV3"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/RHTrScR/little-lies-1.jpg" alt="little-lies-1" border="0"></a>

<a href="https://ibb.co/9VwpPYq"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/JyxcZkz/Little-lies-2.jpg" alt="Little-lies-2" border="0"></a>

[jbrownsjr]

Is the chair the same size and she's slumping a bit? I can't tell, to be honest. :shrug:

[Villavic]

Her thigs are horizontal in both pictures, though in the second picture a bit inclined, but not that much. In the first pic her thigs are alined to the piano third square. In the second, alined between second and third square, so I'd say the chair is upper in the second scene.

However in the first pic we can't see the fence, so most likely is the angle from where the camera was recording, that made that effect.

[jbrownsjr]

Good eye. That location looks like a beautiful place to shoot.

Little Lies just moved up a notch on my videos list.

[David]

That the album titles on Tango In The Night and Greatest Hits use the same font (I think Times New Roman) and small caps, and that the mingled wash of olive green and yellow on Greatest Hits is similar to part of the sky on Tango In The Night?
We need to get you some help, Joe.

[bwboy]

Her thigs are horizontal in both pictures, though in the second picture a bit inclined, but not that much. In the first pic her thigs are alined to the piano third square. In the second, alined between second and third square, so I'd say the chair is upper in the second scene.

However in the first pic we can't see the fence, so most likely is the angle from where the camera was recording, that made that effect.

Keen observation there, Villavic! Plus I would add the chair looks like the same chair in both pictures.

[DownOnRodeo]

Really, people!

The seat of the chair aka her thighs are also much higher in the second scene relative to the piano even after accounting for the perspective change. But we need not linger on her thighs.

All we need do is observe the top of the chair back and its relationship to the piano.

<a href="https://ibb.co/4sKypVx"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/B4cDBCR/Piano-In-The-Barn.png" alt="Piano-In-The-Barn" border="0"></a><br />

Even accounting for the change in perspective due to the camera angle, the back of the chair is clearly higher relative to the piano in the second scene.

If Christine's elbows do not seem overly bent in the first scene, it's because she is compensating greatly with hunched spine and curled wrists.

My guess is that after they shot the first scene, Christine mentioned the unnaturally low position of the seat, so they fixed it for the rest of the shoot, but for some reason still used some of the unnatural footage in the final cut.

(Note I have used Times New Roman small caps in the Exhibits to further alarm David.)

[HomerMcvie]

I've noticed that you guys have too much free time on your hands.:D

I say it's all camera angle.

[aleuzzi]

I’ve mentioned this elsewhere but I’ll add it here.

Ever notice Bob Welch and Lindsey Buckingham wrote songs about NYC? Each song appears on the fourth album of the guitarists’ respective tenures and both songs appear as the opening cut on side 2. Bob’s “The City” is apocalyptic; Lindsey’s “Empire State” is “asinine” (to quote a contemporary review) and total fun; both are all-out rockers on otherwise largely mid-tempo records. And…on Mystery to Me and Mirage, Christine’s vocals close out sides 1 and 2. So there.

[HomerMcvie]

Imma weirdo, but I LOVE Empire State. Always have, always will. It's such a fun song!

Mirage kicks Tango to the curb.

[cbBen]

Imma weirdo, but I LOVE Empire State. Always have, always will. It's such a fun song!

Mirage kicks Tango to the curb.

I love the guitar workout on "Tango In The Night." There's nothing as powerful on Mirage.

I think Tango In The Night has nine great songs, with Stevie's latter two songs and the final song on the album (which I still like) being the only three that aren't.

[jbrownsjr]

I love both Mirage and Tango. I love that they are different, too. Tango is pretty powerful stuff in the writing. Even WISYA is sung with passion and angst.

I do also love Empire State. Nice kick way to kick it up on Side 2. Especially, after Christine makes you cry.

[Villavic]

I've noticed that you guys have too much free time on your hands.:D
.

You know, I've not collected exact statistics but I realize ledgies are more active here on weekdays. I guess their working hours are just on weekends. :lol: :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

You know, I've not collected exact statistics but I realize ledgies are more active here on weekdays. I guess their working hours are just on weekends. :lol: :lol:

That's when they wear their knee pads.:wavey::lol::woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

You know, I've not collected exact statistics but I realize ledgies are more active here on weekdays. I guess their working hours are just on weekends. :lol: :lol:

Monday - Thursdays is hoppin!! :laugh:

[David]

Ever notice Bob Welch and Lindsey Buckingham wrote songs about NYC? Makes me wonder about all the Fleetwood Mac tunes that refer to cities: Empire State, The City, Silver Springs, New Orleans, Illume, Point Me in the Direction of Albuquerque, and so on.

[jbrownsjr]

Makes me wonder about all the Fleetwood Mac tunes that refer to cities: Empire State, The City, Silver Springs, New Orleans, Illume, Point Me in the Direction of Albuquerque, and so on.

Bad Journey has a lot of cities in it. Bermuda Triangle has a list of them. Both talk of Key Biscayne.

[Villavic]

Any song refer to Paris? Can't remember right now.

[Macfan4life]

Bad Journey has a lot of cities in it. Bermuda Triangle has a list of them. Both talk of Key Biscayne.
Fleetwood Mac spent lots of time in Miami and around Key Biscayne during the late 70s. But in Bad Journey she mentions Boise Idaho. I am curious if her or her nephew just thought the syllables fit with the song or she was ever there. I cant recall if the Mac ever played Idaho.
Curious minds want to know.

[SteveMacD]

I’ve mentioned this elsewhere but I’ll add it here.

Ever notice Bob Welch and Lindsey Buckingham wrote songs about NYC? Each song appears on the fourth album of the guitarists’ respective tenures and both songs appear as the opening cut on side 2. Bob’s “The City” is apocalyptic; Lindsey’s “Empire State” is “asinine” (to quote a contemporary review) and total fun; both are all-out rockers on otherwise largely mid-tempo records. And…on Mystery to Me and Mirage, Christine’s vocals close out sides 1 and 2. So there.

I did.

What I realized within the last year is the “The City” is musically “Goin’ Down,” which had been their encore song with Dave Walker.

[aleuzzi]

Makes me wonder about all the Fleetwood Mac tunes that refer to cities: Empire State, The City, Silver Springs, New Orleans, Illume, Point Me in the Direction of Albuquerque, and so on.

Bob’s Bermuda Triangle comes to mind. Christine’s “Hollywood” and “Estoril” are two others. Danny’s “Trinity” (I think it applies).

Edit: And “Hypnotized”

[SteveMacD]

TIL “If Anyone Falls” was released on September 3, 1983 and Madonna’s “Holiday” was released on September 7, 1983.

[UnwindedDreams]

TIL “If Anyone Falls” was released on September 3, 1983 and Madonna’s “Holiday” was released on September 7, 1983.
I wonder if those two ever met.

[HomerMcvie]

I wonder if those two ever met.

No way. Both of their egos wouldn't fit in the same room.

[SteveMacD]

No way. Both of their egos wouldn't fit in the same room.

I don’t know, but Stevie’s coke problem catching up with her couldn’t have come at a more inopportune time.

[AnthonyMI]

Let this date go down in history as the day we FINALLY ran out of things to talk about Fleetwood Mac and started looking at the furniture in the music videos.

[vivfox]

I wonder if those two ever met.

No way. Both of their egos wouldn't fit in the same room.


They've met. Madonna took Lourdes to the show and they met Stevie backstage. I forget the year but it was around 2011 or so.

[HomerMcvie]

They've met. Madonna took Lourdes to the show and they met Stevie backstage. I forget the year but it was around 2011 or so.

I was joking. Is this your first encounter with me?:lol:

[SteveMacD]

They've met. Madonna took Lourdes to the show and they met Stevie backstage. I forget the year but it was around 2011 or so.

That had to be one of the most passive aggressive moments in rock.

[Villavic]

They've met. Madonna took Lourdes to the show and they met Stevie backstage. I forget the year but it was around 2011 or so.

Mac show or Stevie show?