5 least favorite Lindsey Mac songs

[Macfan4life]

It's tough but I can do it. BTW, if anyone puts Go Your Own Way on their list, they get banned for 3 weeks :]

5. Big Love - I find the lyrics trite and cheezy. I do love the guitar and drumming but its too unoriginal pop for me.:sorry:

4. Not That Funny - I actually dont hate this song like I used to. Its not even my least favorite on Tusk (anymore). But definitely one of my least favorites on the Lindsey side.:]

3. Oh Diane - Oh God this song is so music box pop that it does not sound like Fleetwood Mac nor Lindsey Buckingham. For the love of God this song made Mirage over Smile At You. God take me now :shocked: Empire State all day over this!

2. The Ledge - Sorry Charlie. Its still my least favorite on Tusk. Never liked it, never will. :sorry:

1. Caroline - If I listened to this song 10 times in a row, I would be in a mental institution. Nothing about it is Fleetwood Mac. Its all programmed bass and percussion. The odd chanting in the end is bad too. Give me Family Man any day over this

[soul_drifter333]

1) Bleed To Love Her

2) Bleed To Love Her

3) Bleed To Love Her

4) Bleed To Love Her

5) Bleed To Love Her

Worse song he's ever done, band and solo

[bombaysaffires]

in no particular order:


Can't Go Back (but can you go away?)

Oh Diane (oh no Diane)

family man (love love the acoustic guitar parts, but as a song it feels like a throwaway. How did your mother, father, brother ever make the final cut??)

Murrow Turning Over in His Grave (Let him keep turning right on out of here. pretentious noise)

What's the World Coming To (what's this song coming to??)

[elle]

heh too bad you didn't include solo so i can list dreaded Trouble. :wavey:

of Lindsey's FM, there are not many duds. here's my list in no particular order:

That's All for Everyone
Empire State
Family Man
What's the World Coming To?
Say Goodbye

these are also the only real LB FM duds, imo, but i know some people have strong opinion about TAFE being a masterpiece, for example.

if we are including [official] co-writes, i'd add You and I, Part II. of the unofficial co-writes, Dreams would probably be topping my list.

[bombaysaffires]

heh too bad you didn't include solo so i can list dreaded Trouble. :wavey:

of Lindsey's FM, there are not many duds. here's my list in no particular order:

That's All for Everyone
Empire State
Family Man
What's the World Coming To?
Say Goodbye

these are also the only real LB FM duds, imo, but i know some people have strong opinion about TAFE being a masterpiece, for example.

if we are including [official] co-writes, i'd add You and I, Part II. of the unofficial co-writes, Dreams would probably be topping my list.

OMFG How did I forget this one?? Probably because it's sooooooo awful I blocked it out. :distress:

If I had to stick to just 5, then I would put Empire State on and take Family Man off. :eek:

I thought about That's All For Everyone. Lyrically it goes NOWHERE, but I'm a sucker for his cascading harmonies so I let it slide.

[HomerMcvie]

IDK if I can come up with 5 Lindsey songs I hate. I've always found most of his songs to at least be palatable.
But-
Murrow is horrible.
Come is the worst thing he's ever done.
Say Goodbye is meh.
Big Love ACOUSTIC- put that sh*t in a grave. Tired and worn out. Full band or let it go.

I'm stalled at 4. I like Family Man, and ADORE Empire State, for those haters.

[bwboy]

Family Man
Not That Funny
The Ledge
Oh Diane
Walk a Thin Line

[On Ice]

IMO Lindsey was perfect on White and Rumours- flawless everything and the songs stand the test of time. Starting with Tusk though, he somehow forgot that people have to listen to his songs and find enjoyment in them, although not all bad, his production choices left potentially good songs just hanging.

I like Save me a Place, but not keen on:

That's all for Everyone- good idea, but lyrically goes nowhere, we never get to the reason why he's concluded that's all-but the song isn't quite exactly what we needed.
That's Enough for Me- I like the idea and such but like Christine once said- "**** that's fast"- she's right, and the song is hard to keep up to as a listener.
The Ledge- this could have been a cooker of a track with sensible production and larger than life backing vocals from Stevie- a la Second Hand News- but sounds rushed and poorly executed.
Murrow Turning Over in His Grave- I dig the cool Guitar intro but once he starts singing, Murrow probably actually turned over in his grave.
Can't Go Back- I used to like it but now I don't the music box stuff is annoying and ruins what was building to be the famous trifecta of amazing songs to start an album.

Bubbling Under- most of his Tango songs border on pretentious, but are better overall than the above. If Say You Will had been a 10 song album, some of his tracks were bordering on great, had he dropped the tinny sound.

[mitzo]

Don't get me started...

[jbrownsjr]

1) Bleed To Love Her

2) Bleed To Love Her

3) Bleed To Love Her

4) Bleed To Love Her

5) Bleed To Love Her

Worse song he's ever done, band and solo

I can't stand this song. uhhhh

[jbrownsjr]

What's the World Coming To (pure lazy crap)
Bleed to Love Her
Oh Diane
Cool Water
Say Goodbye

[moon]

I simply can't make a Top 5 as I'm the only guy in the world who find the songs from Tusk and Mirage as truly masterpieces, fun, emotional, long, short, rare, insane, melodical...really good...
So, I can't go with 5, but I would say:

- Big Love (acoustic). I totally agree with Homer, the song had its moment, but it's time to something different, or to leave the song behind. Same goes for Go Insane acoustic!
- I'm So Afraid (studio). I love the live versions. Live has the best one, but The Dance has another very good one. I heard some live versions from bootlegs and sutff which sounded better than the original. The studio version has a rare soul, the final solo is short and has no sense, I can't find a "form" for that.
- Some versions from the SYW album sounded better live. Murrow, Come, Red Rover, Say Goodbye and Bleed To Love Her had another atmosphere live, sounded good. The speedy guitars in all of them at the studio were the beginning of an era of "speedy" songs by Lindsey, which are not bad, but live they sound much better...

[aleuzzi]

I have six

Monday Morning (never got its appeal)

I Know I’m Not Wrong

Oh Diane

Family Man

Come

Make Me a Mask

[bwboy]

I have six

Monday Morning (never got its appeal)

I Know I’m Not Wrong

Oh Diane

Family Man

Come

Make Me a Mask

Oh man, I love I Know I’m Not Wrong, but it took me a long time to appreciate it. It takes forever to get to the chorus, but when it comes it’s so dang catchy! Monday Morning I like a lot, and Neil did a really good job singing it. But if you didn’t like Lindsey’s version, you probably wouldn’t like Neil’s.

[soul_drifter333]

OMFG How did I forget this one?? Probably because it's sooooooo awful I blocked it out. :distress:

If I had to stick to just 5, then I would put Empire State on and take Family Man off. :eek:

I thought about That's All For Everyone. Lyrically it goes NOWHERE, but I'm a sucker for his cascading harmonies so I let it slide.


I love the alternate version that appears on the deluxe edition.

[michelej1]

Without making a list, I would like to throw in my vote for Family Man.

I guess I would add WTWCT and Peacekeeper as well.

Nothing against Bleed to Love Her. There was a time when I actually loved the song, but I have enough renditions of that thing for 5 life times. It made me weary.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh man, I love I Know I’m Not Wrong, but it took me a long time to appreciate it. It takes forever to get to the chorus, but when it comes it’s so dang catchy! Monday Morning I like a lot, and Neil did a really good job singing it. But if you didn’t like Lindsey’s version, you probably wouldn’t like Neil’s.

NEIL? WHO TF IS NEIL?

Oh, you meant cover band Neil...

It should be sacrilege to mention his name in this forum.

[elle]

NEIL? WHO TF IS NEIL?

Oh, you meant cover band Neil...

It should be sacrilege to mention his name in this forum.

i had exact same reaction, word for word :nod::nod:

[jwd]

Empire State
Family Man
What's the World Coming To
Save Me A Place
Oh Diane

[SteveMacD]

Empire State
Family Man
Make Me A Mask
Murrow
It Takes Time

[Jondalar]

1. Oh Diane
2. Family Man
3. Empire State
4. Red Rover
5. Not that Funny

[Villavic]

The Ledge
Save me a Place
Caroline
Come
Teen Beat

[blinker12]

1. Come
2. Come
3. Come (I mean it’s long and bad enough right?)
4. Oh Diane
5. Murrow Turning Over in His Grave

[UnwindedDreams]

1. Say Goodbye
2. It Takes Time
3. Make Me a Mask
4. Empire State
5. Steal Your Heart Away

Is Come too much of a rock jam for people?

[jbrownsjr]

i had exact same reaction, word for word :nod::nod:

I thought he sounded horrible on Lindsey's tunes. And he was the only one without pitch problems and the strongest voice. Just couldn't capture the tone or spirit of the songs.

[Macfan4life]

1. Say Goodbye
2. It Takes Time
3. Make Me a Mask
4. Empire State
5. Steal Your Heart Away

Is Come too much of a rock jam for people?
I smell what you are cooking. For the love of God let Lindsey jam and play guitar. All these geezers complaining because the song jams.

God help us all

[UnwindedDreams]

I smell what you are cooking. For the love of God let Lindsey jam and play guitar. All these geezers complaining because the song jams.

God help us all

Do you like the song? I love it. It's a bopper.

[UnwindedDreams]

I thought he sounded horrible on Lindsey's tunes. And he was the only one without pitch problems and the strongest voice. Just couldn't capture the tone or spirit of the songs.
He sounded good on Don't Stop and World Turning.

I think the wrong Lindsey songs were chosen for him to sing.

If they had to do songs by Lindsey, I've already said Tusk should've been done, I think I'm So Afraid would've worked, and Eyes of the World.

[Macfan4life]

Do you like the song? I love it. It's a bopper.
I prefer songs where Lindsey plays guitar and jams. I know he considers himself more than just a guitarist and a guitar is only a small part of an entire song. But my favorite Lindsey songs feature him profoundly on guitar (Wrong, Loving Cup, Go Your Own Way, etc).
Come is ok. I dont hate it and the part of me that loves it is because of the guitar. I swear I am in the twilight zone because Say You Will is so brilliant yet this board hates it. IMHO Lindsey's elements are so profound on all the songs. I am a stranger in a strange land. This board tends to tilt towards Lindsey and Tusk yet trashes Say You Will. Each go hand in hand. I am in the minority too which loves the longer album compared to a commercial 10-12 song album. SYW has so many Tusk like features but people hate it.
I know I'm not wrong
:)

[UnwindedDreams]

I prefer songs where Lindsey plays guitar and jams. I know he considers himself more than just a guitarist and a guitar is only a small part of an entire song. But my favorite Lindsey songs feature him profoundly on guitar (Wrong, Loving Cup, Go Your Own Way, etc).
Come is ok. I dont hate it and the part of me that loves it is because of the guitar. I swear I am in the twilight zone because Say You Will is so brilliant yet this board hates it. IMHO Lindsey's elements are so profound on all the songs. I am a stranger in a strange land. This board tends to tilt towards Lindsey and Tusk yet trashes Say You Will. Each go hand in hand. I am in the minority too which loves the longer album compared to a commercial 10-12 song album. SYW has so many Tusk like features but people hate it.
I know I'm not wrong
:)
I'm a big SYW fan. But for me, it's Stevie's songs. Come I like because it's Lindsey, Mick, and whoever's on key/organ just letting it out.

[HomerMcvie]

1. Come
2. Come
3. Come (I mean it’s long and bad enough right?)
4. Oh Diane
5. Murrow Turning Over in His Grave

THANK YOU!

See Macfan, it's not just me. Come is a horrible song. So is Murrow.

I can live with Oh Diane.

[Macfan4life]

THANK YOU!

See Macfan, it's not just me. Come is a horrible song. So is Murrow.

I can live with Oh Diane.
Not my favorite songs but I definitely like them. The guitar work is brilliant. Mick's drumming is really good on Murrow too. How anyone cannot appreciate Lindsey's skills on these songs is beyond me. Seriously. Its some of his best work and blows any song of his on Tusk out of the water. I hate it when Lindsey gets edgy with computers and programmed stuff like on Caroline. But pushing Mick and John and Lindsey's guitar to their creative edge is brilliant.
I will never apologize for Lindsey offending you for playing his guitar.

Hurry, run back to your seat Homer, the drum machine to Stand Back just began!

[HomerMcvie]

Not my favorite songs but I definitely like them. The guitar work is brilliant. Mick's drumming is really good on Murrow too. How anyone cannot appreciate Lindsey's skills on these songs is beyond me. Seriously. Its some of his best work and blows any song of his on Tusk out of the water. I hate it when Lindsey gets edgy with computers and programmed stuff like on Caroline. But pushing Mick and John and Lindsey's guitar to their creative edge is brilliant.
I will never apologize for Lindsey offending you for playing his guitar.

Hurry, run back to your seat Homer, the drum machine to Stand Back just began!

It's not his guitar playing, so stop saying that. It's the SCREAMING, and the fact that it's a sh*tty song.

And even you can see that I'm not the only person who hates it. :lol::angel::xoxo:

[Macfan4life]

It's not his guitar playing, so stop saying that. It's the SCREAMING, and the fact that it's a sh*tty song.

And even you can see that I'm not the only person who hates it. :lol::angel::xoxo:
I imagine you also have a dart board with Lindsey's face on it? :lol:

I suppose I am not as simplistic as to discard a song because of singing alone. I am more about the music and arrangements. There are fantastic songs with bad singing. Would you say this to Bob Dylan? He is a horrible singer. American Idol ruined music.

[HomerMcvie]

I imagine you also have a dart board with Lindsey's face on it? :lol:

I suppose I am not as simplistic as to discard a song because of singing alone. I am more about the music and arrangements. There are fantastic songs with bad singing. Would you say this to Bob Dylan? He is a horrible singer. American Idol ruined music.

Oh PUHLEEEEASE, because I don't like a couple of songs?

FM WOULD HAVE FALLEN INTO OBSCURITY BY 1980 IF IT WEREN'T FOR LINDSEY.

Bob Dylan is a highly overrated schmuck. And a horrible singer. At least we agree on something. NEXT! :D

[FuzzyPlum]

Empire State
Teen Beat
Make Me a Mask
Say Goodbye
Not That Funny

[michelej1]

Oh PUHLEEEEASE, because I don't like a couple of songs?

FM WOULD HAVE FALLEN INTO OBSCURITY BY 1980 IF IT WEREN'T FOR LINDSEY.

Bob Dylan is a highly overrated schmuck. And a horrible singer. At least we agree on something. NEXT! :D

One time, an interviewer was talking to Cher and he complained about Sonny's nasal voice and Cher got upset about that and said that Bob Dylan couldn't sing either, what was the interviewer's point. I loved her for that. I always said of Cher that she might drag Sonny through the mud, but she wouldn't let anyone else do it in her presence.

We don't have many instances of the Macsters being protective of one another. That would warm the cockles of my heart.

[jbrownsjr]

He sounded good on Don't Stop and World Turning.

I think the wrong Lindsey songs were chosen for him to sing.

If they had to do songs by Lindsey, I've already said Tusk should've been done, I think I'm So Afraid would've worked, and Eyes of the World.

I agree. He sounded terrible on SHN and MM. Hold Me he wasn't too bad. He kept Christine in tune for the most part. At least the shows I saw.

[elle]

He sounded good on Don't Stop and World Turning.

I think the wrong Lindsey songs were chosen for him to sing.

If they had to do songs by Lindsey, I've already said Tusk should've been done, I think I'm So Afraid would've worked, and Eyes of the World.

with the caveat that i was not (of course!) at any Fakewood shows, from youtube vids i saw, i thought Neil Finn actually sounded great on SHN. i do agree that it had no spirit and heart, but singing was on point and way more similar to the record than Lindsey's more recent live versions. and i think recorded SHN and early live versions were perfection.

i'm assuming that you are being just sarcastic about Tusk, ISA and Eyes because there's no way you can be serious. those are suck typical LB songs, and if you didn't like Neil's version of SHN and MM you would have hated whatever he could do with those songs. who exactly would do the ISA solo or Eyes outro? both those are such typical Lindsey guitars and from what i've heard in vids neither of those 2 guitarists they contracted for Fakewood could "play it like Lindsey."

[UnwindedDreams]

with the caveat that i was not (of course!) at any Fakewood shows, from youtube vids i saw, i thought Neil Finn actually sounded great on SHN. i do agree that it had no spirit and heart, but singing was on point and way more similar to the record than Lindsey's more recent live versions. and i think recorded SHN and early live versions were perfection.

i'm assuming that you are being just sarcastic about Tusk, ISA and Eyes because there's no way you can be serious. those are suck typical LB songs, and if you didn't like Neil's version of SHN and MM you would have hated whatever he could do with those songs. who exactly would do the ISA solo or Eyes outro? both those are such typical Lindsey guitars and from what i've heard in vids neither of those 2 guitarists they contracted for Fakewood could "play it like Lindsey."
I went to multiple shows so I've heard Neil sing and I believe he could've sung the songs I mentioned and I'll add I Know I'm Not Wrong, Oh Well (Mike sounded like he was gargling), and Big Love.

Mike or Neil probably could play the guitar parts.
Mike did the shredding on Hold Me, it didn't sound great like Mirage, the soloing and outro to You Make Loving Fun. His soloing on Go Your Own Way and Second Hand News were too country twang... it was like Springsteen on Thundercrack.

[WalkAThinLine.]

A few years ago, I ranked 325 Fleetwood Mac songs from best to worst, so I am pulling the bottom five Buckingham songs and placing them here.

5th worst: Goodbye Angel (ranked #306 out of #325)

4th worst: Miss Fantasy (ranked #307 out of #325)

3rd worst: Doesn't Anything Last? (ranked #309 out of #325)

2nd worst: Oh Diane (ranked #315 out of #325)

Worst: It Takes Time (#319 out of #325)

[HomerMcvie]

Not That Funny(live), is all I've got.

I like Family Man, and absolutely LOVE Empire State.

[cbBen]

1. Not That Funny
2. Come
3. My Little Demon
4. That's Enough For Me
5. Red Rover

[WalkAThinLine.]

Not That Funny(live), is all I've got.


The studio version of "Not That Funny" is not as egregious as the live version. I remember that a good portion of the audience quickly retreated to the concession stands upon hearing the first few notes of "Not That Funny" during their 2013 tour.

[Macfan4life]

Yes people left during the Dance on NTF. I was floored they did that song again. I dont mind the earlier versions of NTF live because of Chris pounding away on the piano. It was a good jam. But after Mirage it should not have been performed live again. I could be wrong but on the Dance version Chris was not even on stage playing? It was more a a Lindsey jam. Forgive me my memory is foggy on this.

I am in the minority on The Ledge but I think The Ledge is one of my least favorite Lindsey songs. I like everything else on Tusk except this song :eek:

[HomerMcvie]

The studio version of "Not That Funny" is not as egregious as the live version. I remember that a good portion of the audience quickly retreated to the concession stands upon hearing the first few notes of "Not That Funny" during their 2013 tour.

I'll never understand why Lindsey loves NTF so much. Clearly the audience doesn't.

[elle]

The studio version of "Not That Funny" is not as egregious as the live version. I remember that a good portion of the audience quickly retreated to the concession stands upon hearing the first few notes of "Not That Funny" during their 2013 tour.

seriously? 2013 Not That Funny was a quick few minutes tight little punk song. :):woohoo:

i did not see anyone leave, and in fact everyone was generally pleasantly surprised by how tight and great it was. i loved it even though i wanted WATL or WMYTYTO instead. then again i was usually way upfront at 2013 shows, so i don't know what was happening in the back pf the arena except during Sara which was always boring me out of my mind so i turned around and looked at the arena.

[elle]

A few years ago, I ranked 325 Fleetwood Mac songs from best to worst, so I am pulling the bottom five Buckingham songs and placing them here.

5th worst: Goodbye Angel (ranked #306 out of #325)

4th worst: Miss Fantasy (ranked #307 out of #325)

3rd worst: Doesn't Anything Last? (ranked #309 out of #325)

2nd worst: Oh Diane (ranked #315 out of #325)

Worst: It Takes Time (#319 out of #325)

wow, how is your screen name WATL?????? It Takes Time is a gorgeous song.

i do agree with you on Goodbye Angel, and Oh Diane. Miss Fantasy is fun little pop song.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Originally, I intended to go with SprintAThinLine, but my mind reverted to the actual title of the song when typing the username.

After listening to Miss Fantasy again, I would probably place it higher, although it would probably still remain his fifth worst song given Buckingham's high quality discography with Fleetwood Mac. As for "It Takes Time", while the lyrical reference to "Show You How" is appreciated, the rest of the song is a slog to get through, largely because of Buckingham's lackluster piano playing. What really tanks "It Takes Time" is the juvenile synth string arrangement. The synth string quality is jarringly unprofessional for a band that has sold over 100 million records worldwide.

[Storms123]

"Oh Diane" just "Oh Diane" I can't listen to it. However, the video of him lip synching it gives me great joy :D

[HomerMcvie]

"Oh Diane" just "Oh Diane" I can't listen to it. However, the video of him lip synching it gives me great joy :D

Now that's just bitchy...:D

I remember at the time it came out, my family liked it. We were young, and would play cards(while drinking)until 5 or 6AM, and LOVED singing along to it. But I was also into Elvis at that point, so Oh Diane kind of fit that vibe.

[bombaysaffires]

I can't decide which is worse between Diane and Empire. Depends on the day.

I love Not That Funny, always have, always will. However, his obsession with long orgasmic groans and "Here I come" live nearly killed it. Worse even than "Bark like a dog" which always taints Holiday Road for me.

Is Doesn't Anything Last even a full, finished song? Sounds like a rough demo in progress to me. So that shouldn't count.

Miss Fantasy is pretty awesome, made more so by John's bass line. A statement that could apply to any number of FM songs.

It Takes Time isn't that bad at all. I don't get the hate. Do agree the synth lines are too sappy. I think he was trying to make up for the lack of Christine and her song sensibilities... but it would have been far better served by one of his signature acoustic guitar outros. I mean, his acoustic outro on Wassamatta Baby is what makes even that turd remotely listenable for me.

Illumination, One Take, both are at the top of my awful list, and I'd take Oh Diane over either of them on any day :(

Not a huge fan of some of his drawn out, droney vocals songs like Shadow of the West, Save Me a Place, oh and I usually skip Underground even though the acoustic guitar is good. And not a huge fan of the whole DW Suite pieces either.

[aleuzzi]

1. Not That Funny
2. Come
3. My Little Demon
4. That's Enough For Me
5. Red Rover

Excepting “Come,” which is a true stinker in my book, the other four I adore. Funny how individual tastes are precisely that—individual.

[HomerMcvie]

I can't decide which is worse between Diane and Empire. Depends on the day.

I love Not That Funny, always have, always will.

Not a huge fan of some of his drawn out, droney vocals songs like Shadow of the West, Save Me a Place, oh and I usually skip Underground even though the acoustic guitar is good. And not a huge fan of the whole DW Suite pieces either.

Empire. Love.

Not That Funny. SUCKS.

Oh no. I love Shadow and SMAP. I love the wispy guitars on SMAP. It's perfect.

Go Insane is probably my least favorite album of his. I had fallen into other musical places when it came out, and I never truly bonded with it(probably my fault).

[Macfan4life]

I dont hate NTF. The studio track fits fairly well with the album Tusk. My only complaint about NTF live is that its too long. On the Live album its the longest song at just over 9 minutes. We could have had The Chain or Sisters instead. I always thought NTF fit nicely with the HBO Mirage concert because it showcased the band without Stevie and the jam with Chris and then without Chris. Also John trying to smell Lindsey's joint was pretty cool IMHO. The Mirage tour was the last tour Chris played that kind of upright piano. So I have no issues with it except the fact we could get 2 better songs instead. But clearly Lindsey loves the song because besides being on Tusk, it was on the Live album, showcased on the Mirage video concert, and dug out again for The Dance. IMHO he has better songs on Tusk that I would prefer to hear.
Not to change the subject but I am fascinated by the love of The Ledge. I just dont get it. It sounds like I should be wearing overalls, square dancing, and husking corn when I listen to it :eek:

[jmn3]

Not to change the subject but I am fascinated by the love of The Ledge. I just dont get it. It sounds like I should be wearing overalls, square dancing, and husking corn when I listen to it :eek:

I think that’s exactly why I do love The Ledge :D

[bombaysaffires]

Empire. Love.

Not That Funny. SUCKS.

Oh no. I love Shadow and SMAP. I love the wispy guitars on SMAP. It's perfect.

Go Insane is probably my least favorite album of his. I had fallen into other musical places when it came out, and I never truly bonded with it(probably my fault).

the vocals on SMAP sound like a 45 played at 33 1/3 rpm

[cbBen]

I am in the minority on The Ledge but I think The Ledge is one of my least favorite Lindsey songs. I like everything else on Tusk except this song :eek:

That would be my #6. I dislike it too.

[bwboy]

Without making a list, I would like to throw in my vote for Family Man.

I guess I would add WTWCT and Peacekeeper as well.

I’m surprised at how often What’s the World Coming To was mentioned here. I actually like the song, in fact that and Peacekeeper are my two favorite Lindsey songs on Say You Will. I feel the same way about That’s All For Everyone, from Tusk.

I’d love to hear why people dislike WTWCT and TAFE.

[Macfan4life]

I’m surprised at how often What’s the World Coming To was mentioned here. I actually like the song, in fact that and Peacekeeper are my two favorite Lindsey songs on Say You Will. I feel the same way about That’s All For Everyone, from Tusk.

I’d love to hear why people dislike WTWCT and TAFE.
I never can understand that either but then the entire SYW debate will come up. I just realize I am in the minority that likes SYW and almost every song. I think WTWCT is a fantastic opener for the album. Lindsey's songs on SYW are better than his songs on Mirage and Tango.
I like the song so I cant answer your question. But then again most people here hate SYW. Its the most intricate musical album from the Mac in a very very long time yet never gets appreciated. Its too long, its too cold, its not commercial. All the same descriptions of Tusk. I think they want Big Love all the time.

[HomerMcvie]

I’m surprised at how often What’s the World Coming To was mentioned here. I actually like the song, in fact that and Peacekeeper are my two favorite Lindsey songs on Say You Will. I feel the same way about That’s All For Everyone, from Tusk.

I’d love to hear why people dislike WTWCT and TAFE.

I LOVE WTWCT. And Peacekeeper is good, if someone would have shot that damned bird before they hit record. The bird is Cheese City.

I hate SYW as a whole, but like about 7-8 songs.

[bwboy]

I never can understand that either but then the entire SYW debate will come up. I just realize I am in the minority that likes SYW and almost every song. I think WTWCT is a fantastic opener for the album. Lindsey's songs on SYW are better than his songs on Mirage and Tango.
I like the song so I cant answer your question. But then again most people here hate SYW. Its the most intricate musical album from the Mac in a very very long time yet never gets appreciated. Its too long, its too cold, its not commercial. All the same descriptions of Tusk. I think they want Big Love all the time.

Say You Will is my least favorite FM album, but there are 5 or 6 songs I do like. Thrown Down, Peacekeeper, Say You Will, and What’s the World Coming To are my favorites. Like you, I think WTWCT is a great opener.

[cbBen]

I’m surprised at how often What’s the World Coming To was mentioned here. I actually like the song, in fact that and Peacekeeper are my two favorite Lindsey songs on Say You Will. I feel the same way about That’s All For Everyone, from Tusk.

I’d love to hear why people dislike WTWCT and TAFE.

"That's All For Everyone" is one of my absolute favorite FM songs. What a brilliant sound collage. Had all (or at least more) of Tusk been like that, it would be my favorite FM album hands down AND I would better understand Lindsey acting like it is such a departure (I think he exaggerates the extent to which it is).

As for "What's The World Coming To," the music is alright but the lyrics aren't so hot – particularly the chorus "everyone's gone to the moon" (and, yes, I would say that to Bob Dylan).

My favorite song on Say You Will is "Steal Your Heart Away."

[aleuzzi]

"That's All For Everyone" is one of my absolute favorite FM songs. What a brilliant sound collage. Had all (or at least more) of Tusk been like that, it would be my favorite FM album hands down AND I would better understand Lindsey acting like it is such a departure (I think he exaggerates the extent to which it is).

As for "What's The World Coming To," the music is alright but the lyrics aren't so hot – particularly the chorus "everyone's gone to the moon" (and, yes, I would say that to Bob Dylan).

My favorite song on Say You Will is "Steal Your Heart Away."

“Steal Your Heart” is such a good song! Charming, direct, and warm. I say the same thing about Kirwan’s “Sometimes.” Two moderate tempo strummers.

“That’s All” has impressive production. I almost never listen to it, but I don’t know why.

[aleuzzi]

I LOVE WTWCT. And Peacekeeper is good, if someone would have shot that damned bird before they hit record. The bird is Cheese City.

I hate SYW as a whole, but like about 7-8 songs.

My SYW picks:

Illume
Throw Down
Red Rover
Miranda
Say Goodbye
Steal Your Heart Away
Everybody Finds Out
Destiny Rules

I prefer The Dance version of “Bleed”

Murrow is okay

The rest is dull.

[HomerMcvie]

My SYW picks:

Illume
Throw Down
Red Rover
Miranda
Say Goodbye
Steal Your Heart Away
Everybody Finds Out
Destiny Rules

I prefer The Dance version of “Bleed”

Murrow is okay

The rest is dull.
Mine -
WTWCT
Thrown Down
Miranda
SYW(if we can remove the children from the end)
Steal Your Heart Away
Bleed to Love Her
EFO

[elle]

I never can understand that either but then the entire SYW debate will come up. I just realize I am in the minority that likes SYW and almost every song. I think WTWCT is a fantastic opener for the album. Lindsey's songs on SYW are better than his songs on Mirage and Tango.
I like the song so I cant answer your question. But then again most people here hate SYW. Its the most intricate musical album from the Mac in a very very long time yet never gets appreciated. Its too long, its too cold, its not commercial. All the same descriptions of Tusk. I think they want Big Love all the time.

Lindsey's songs on SYW are amazing and imho some of his best ever (interspersed with few sad dude such as dreaded WTWCT). because Lindsey's songs on SYW are so fantastic (although would have been way better and more cohesive as that solo album that never was), SYW is up there for me of the FM albums.

let's see:

1. "What's the World Coming To?" horrible
2. "Murrow Turning Over in His Grave" fantastic
3. "Illume (9-11)" droning bore
4. "Thrown Down" cheesy little pop
5. "Miranda" ok
6. "Red Rover" amazing
7. "Say You Will" cheesy little pop but love that guitar
8. "Peacekeeper" love it
9. "Come" fantastic
10. "Smile at You" ruined, angry original was fantastic
11. "Running Through the Garden" droning horribleness
12. "Silver Girl" not worth the name "song"
13. "Steal Your Heart Away" gorgeous
14. "Bleed to Love Her" gorgeous
15. "Everybody Finds Out" ok, could have been way better
16. "Destiny Rules" love the guitar parts, just amazing
17. "Say Goodbye" cheesy schmaltz
18. "Goodbye Baby" pretty

Deluxe edition bonus disc
1. "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" FANTASTIC cover
2. "Not Make Believe" horrible unlistenable droning

[WalkAThinLine.]

Lindsey's songs on SYW are amazing and imho some of his best ever (interspersed with few sad dude such as dreaded WTWCT). because Lindsey's songs on SYW are so fantastic (although would have been way better and more cohesive as that solo album that never was), SYW is up there for me of the FM albums.

let's see:

1. "What's the World Coming To?" horrible
2. "Murrow Turning Over in His Grave" fantastic
3. "Illume (9-11)" droning bore
4. "Thrown Down" cheesy little pop
5. "Miranda" ok
6. "Red Rover" amazing
7. "Say You Will" cheesy little pop but love that guitar
8. "Peacekeeper" love it
9. "Come" fantastic
10. "Smile at You" ruined, angry original was fantastic
11. "Running Through the Garden" droning horribleness
12. "Silver Girl" not worth the name "song"
13. "Steal Your Heart Away" gorgeous
14. "Bleed to Love Her" gorgeous
15. "Everybody Finds Out" ok, could have been way better
16. "Destiny Rules" love the guitar parts, just amazing
17. "Say Goodbye" cheesy schmaltz
18. "Goodbye Baby" pretty

Deluxe edition bonus disc
1. "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" FANTASTIC cover
2. "Not Make Believe" horrible unlistenable droning

I find Say You Will to be very underrated. Lindsey brings in some of my all-time favorites with "Murrow" and "Red Rover", with "Bleed to Love Her", "Peacekeeper", "Come", and "Steal Your Heart Away" also ranking high. The one Buckingham song on the album I can't completely get behind is "Say Goodbye", but even that one is tolerable.

[aleuzzi]

Lindsey's songs on SYW are amazing and imho some of his best ever (interspersed with few sad dude such as dreaded WTWCT). because Lindsey's songs on SYW are so fantastic (although would have been way better and more cohesive as that solo album that never was), SYW is up there for me of the FM albums.

let's see:

1. "What's the World Coming To?" horrible
2. "Murrow Turning Over in His Grave" fantastic
3. "Illume (9-11)" droning bore
4. "Thrown Down" cheesy little pop
5. "Miranda" ok
6. "Red Rover" amazing
7. "Say You Will" cheesy little pop but love that guitar
8. "Peacekeeper" love it
9. "Come" fantastic
10. "Smile at You" ruined, angry original was fantastic
11. "Running Through the Garden" droning horribleness
12. "Silver Girl" not worth the name "song"
13. "Steal Your Heart Away" gorgeous
14. "Bleed to Love Her" gorgeous
15. "Everybody Finds Out" ok, could have been way better
16. "Destiny Rules" love the guitar parts, just amazing
17. "Say Goodbye" cheesy schmaltz
18. "Goodbye Baby" pretty

Deluxe edition bonus disc
1. "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" FANTASTIC cover
2. "Not Make Believe" horrible unlistenable droning

Glad you dig Red Rover. Shocked you don’t love Say Goodbye, which is, to my way of thinking, on of LB’s loveliest songs.

[cbBen]

Glad you dig Red Rover. Shocked you don’t love Say Goodbye, which is, to my way of thinking, on of LB’s loveliest songs.

But the studio version is sped up and ruined (with Stevie's vocal not at all integrated), as evidenced by the far superior live Soundstage version.

[Moz]

- Family Man. The flamenco guitar is great, but I don't feel the song fits well on the album so I have a bit of a grudge against it.

- Red Rover. The whole intro just screams tweaker energy to me. I especially hate the way he whispersings "You know it just brings you down." :shrug: I actually love the part where the other guitars come in at :39 through all the way up to the chorus, and again at 2:27. But once the chorus comes in? It's uninspired and boring to my ears and makes me lose interest in the rest of the song. Basically, I would genuinely love this song if someone surgically removed the choruses. :laugh:

- Steal Your Heart Away. Why must the chorus plod along so? Why is Christine featured only on my least-favourite Lindsey songs from Say You Will?

- Bleed to Love Her. Another plodder of an adult contemporary song. Not awful by any means, but these two songs are two hits of Klonopin in the middle of an otherwise rocking album.

- Eyes of the World. On another thread I said Empire State was my least-favourite song on Mirage. After listening to Mirage a few more times after posting that, it's actually Eyes of the World. I don't have any real reason as to why I'm not a fan of this song aside from thinking the chorus is a snoozefest again. :sorry:

[cbBen]

Eyes of the World. On another thread I said Empire State was my least-favourite song on Mirage. After listening to Mirage a few more times after posting that, it's actually Eyes of the World. I don't have any real reason as to why I'm not a fan of this song aside from thinking the chorus is a snoozefest again. :sorry:

The live '82 version, with the three of them singing that wordless part as a chorus (not on the record), is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE2E6R7BRA

[HomerMcvie]

The live '82 version, with the three of them singing that wordless part as a chorus (not on the record), is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE2E6R7BRA

THREE of them? Isn't the intro and breakdown all Lindsey and Christine(Stevie could NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS sing the part that Chris is singing!)?
Stevie sings on the chorus, and shakes her tatas at the end, but BuckVie owns this song(tatas aside).

[bwboy]

THREE of them? Isn't the intro and breakdown all Lindsey and Christine(Stevie could NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS sing the part that Chris is singing!)?
Stevie sings on the chorus, and shakes her tatas at the end, but BuckVie owns this song(tatas aside).

Definitely just Christine and Lindsey. The whole song live is great, but that intro really sets it up beautifully. And Lindsey does a good job of shaking his tatas too, around the 1:10 mark or so LOL!

[DownOnRodeo]

Stevie could NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS sing the part that Chris is singing!

There would certainly be a lot more "Well"s thrown in.

[HomerMcvie]

There would certainly be a lot more "Well"s thrown in.

And yeahs. She always adds that to ensure she gets the last word on everything.

[The Highwayman]

Wading through the quickly getting tiresome Stevie hate, let's get back to the topic at hand.

Least favorite LB songs in Fleetwood Mac:

'Family Man' - nice flamenco guitar work can't save a sinker with a crummy chorus and the sense that it was written in 2 minutes on a napkin. A shame since Lindsey's Tango songs are otherwise uniformly strong.
'Oh Diane' - I kinda get the '50s rock vibe, but it's so wasted on this lazy excuse for a song.
'Empire State' - When even the guitars are annoying, that's a bad sign. Another crummy chorus.
'Come' - the quieter verses are all right, but once he launches into it, it's a headache I beg to go away.

That's it. I genuinely like the rest of his FM songs, including all 9 tracks of his on Tusk, which, while I get the problems people have with some of those songs, I find them fascinating and often delightful as all hell. And oh, 'Make Me A Mask' is just severely underrated.

[cbBen]

I forgot about "Come." It's unlistenable to me. When it gets to the loud part my ears threaten to go on strike.

"Not That Funny" is hard to pass on as my least favorite, but I'd have to go with "Come" instead.

[Karlie]

I’m probably the only person in the world who feels this way, and I’m embarrassed to say it, but Never Going Back Again is my least favorite Lindsey song. No idea why. From an objective musical standpoint I can tell that it’s an excellent song. But some deep visceral part of my brain just can’t stand hearing it.

Anyway, I think a lot of you in this thread will just love this beautiful masterpiece of a Spotify playlist I made a while back: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4ZdVh97R45pgbeQU9wRGcb

[cbBen]

I certainly hate the way he overdramatizes and whisper-sings it live.

[jmn3]

I’m probably the only person in the world who feels this way, and I’m embarrassed to say it, but Never Going Back Again is my least favorite Lindsey song. No idea why. From an objective musical standpoint I can tell that it’s an excellent song. But some deep visceral part of my brain just can’t stand hearing it.

Anyway, I think a lot of you in this thread will just love this beautiful masterpiece of a Spotify playlist I made a while back: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4ZdVh97R45pgbeQU9wRGcb

Lord that’s a lot of Not That Funny!! I don’t HATE the song per se but I don’t think it was worthy of 10-15 minutes of time in a set or on a live album. But I’d also say the same thing about World Turning which by the time Rick and Billy were in the band was extending beyond 20 minutes. It’s just too damn much. And I did see people running for beer and bathroom breaks in 2013 and a friend in the audience text me something like “ugh this song is NOT THAT GOOD!”

[cbBen]

1. Come
2. Loving Cup
3. Play In The Rain
4. Not That Funny
5. I Want You

I had forgotten how much, outside of the title track and "Slow Dancing," I dislike the Go Insane album.

[HomerMcvie]

1. Come
2. Loving Cup
3. Play In The Rain
4. Not That Funny
5. I Want You

dishonorable mention: Johnny Stew

I had forgotten how much, outside of the title track and "Slow Dancing," I dislike the Go Insane album.
Johnny Stew is one of my favorite songs of his. A decade ago I was having FM pool party weekends, with several former ledgies. Of course they were goat centric, but I turned them onto Johnny Stew, and they loved it! Seriously. All the grunts and stuff in the middle. We'd play it over and over(no pun intended). STEEEEEEWWWWWWW!!!!!

[cbBen]

Yeah, I just re-listened and can see it. I'll remove it above.

[aleuzzi]

But the studio version is sped up and ruined (with Stevie's vocal not at all integrated), as evidenced by the far superior live Soundstage version.

Whatever I’m hearing on the album version is working for me. Love it.

[DownOnRodeo]

1. Caroline - If I listened to this song 10 times in a row, I would be in a mental institution. Nothing about it is Fleetwood Mac. Its all programmed bass and percussion. The odd chanting in the end is bad too. Give me Family Man any day over this

Yes, I think this would be the only song on my list.
(Apologies to sodascouts, who is a fan.:xoxo:)

Family Man is outstanding; I don't get the widespread disdain at all.

[bwboy]

Family Man is outstanding; I don't get the widespread disdain at all.

Iamwhatiamwhatiamwhatiam… a family man!

Mother
Father
Brother

Even worse than Stevie wailing whassa matter baby… baby… BABY!

These two songs automatically drop the album 2 stars from most critics. I really doubt anyone from Fleetwood Mac but Lindsey actually played on Family Man.

I’m not trying to be a jerk, just giving an honest answer about why some folks hate the song so much.

[Karlie]

Iamwhatiamwhatiamwhatiam… a family man!

Mother
Father
Brother

Even worse than Stevie wailing whassa matter baby… baby… BABY!

These two songs automatically drop the album 2 stars from most critics. I really doubt anyone from Fleetwood Mac but Lindsey actually played on Family Man.

I’m not trying to be a jerk, just giving an honest answer about why some folks hate the song so much.

I love everything about Family Man except the lyrics. It’s like he came up with this really great instrumental and then had 2 minutes to throw some random words on top of it.

[Moz]

The live '82 version, with the three of them singing that wordless part as a chorus (not on the record), is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE2E6R7BRA

So much better than the studio version! Thanks for sharing. I haven't watched that video in years.

[DownOnRodeo]

I really doubt anyone from Fleetwood Mac but Lindsey actually played on Family Man.

Yes I think of it basically as one of his solo songs as well.

I can see how the repeated lyrics could be annoying.
I guess I like the breathy, percussive and hyper-engineered way he sings them, in such a way that it's more like an instrument than talking. Doesn't bear comparison with Stevie's phoned-in aural nightmares in WISYA.

Just reminded myself that You & I Pt II is not a fave of mine. Add it to the list. Too Copacobana for me and not the right closer for he album it turned into. I can see how it would have worked on the solo album he would have otherwise put out.