Can we have The Dance Deluxe please?!

[Ulpian]

I’m putting this out into the universe. A really good quality, full album with all the DVD tracks plus the ones from the tour which were added in.

It might be nice if the 1997 versions of BTLH and SYHA were on there too.

I’m thinking it’s surely the next logical step given everything else from the Rumours lineup has been given the “expanded” treatment…

[Macfan4life]

Meh. Maybe.
I was actually watching Dont Stop from the Dance a few months ago. I was suspecting that all the band brass stuff was recorded and it was played during the show. I hate pretend live music so this is why I am not thrilled about The Dance. Give us a full Mirage show for the love of God.

[UnwindedDreams]

I’m putting this out into the universe. A really good quality, full album with all the DVD tracks plus the ones from the tour which were added in.

It might be nice if the 1997 versions of BTLH and SYHA were on there too.

I’m thinking it’s surely the next logical step given everything else from the Rumours lineup has been given the “expanded” treatment…
I'd like it too since it's the 25 year anniversary. And that Gypsy is incredible.

But I think, in my view, so much of The Dance is focused on the Lindsey and Stevie connection, it wouldn't fly with Stevie to release it given she feels Lindsey is Satan now.

Not sure if she could prevent WB from releasing it though.

[jbrownsjr]

Christine's Songbird at the end would be worth it. It's stunning. (re-mastered)

I don't like that version of The Chain. I do love SS and Rhiannon with the piano intros. (Gives both songs some elegance and sophistication.)

ISA is ok. Dreams is zzzzzzzz. Gypsy is zzzzzzz. Over My Head is zzzzzz
Temp One... boring!!

YMLF is solid. Would love to hear the Oh Daddy version as a bonus.

I may be one of the only folks to love Sweet Girl. Beautiful melody on the chorus. I think Stevie really shines for the last time vocally here. After this, it's on and off nasal city for the rest of time. And now currently she's off key a lot. Back then she was the strongest with intonation as far as I was concerned.

[HomerMcvie]

Meh. Maybe.
I was actually watching Dont Stop from the Dance a few months ago. I was suspecting that all the band brass stuff was recorded and it was played during the show. I hate pretend live music so this is why I am not thrilled about The Dance. Give us a full Mirage show for the love of God.

This. Full Mirage is what we deserve.

The Dance is funny. When it came out, I didn't realize that nearly the entire thing is overdubs. It's all I can see now. Fake, fake, fake.

That said, Mirage has lots of overdubs, too. But it's not as blatantly obvious.

[UnwindedDreams]

I may be one of the only folks to love Sweet Girl. Beautiful melody on the chorus. I think Stevie really shines for the last time vocally here. After this, it's on and off nasal city for the rest of time. And now currently she's off key a lot. Back then she was the strongest with intonation as far as I was concerned.
Come down here for a minute!!!
Sweet Girl is my favorite from The Dance.
I mentioned Gypsy earlier because it wasn't on the CD.

It's been said before their best harmonies may be on the song. I love the end where Stevie wails and there's like that fade to the end.

[Ulpian]

Christine's Songbird at the end would be worth it. It's stunning. (re-mastered)

I don't like that version of The Chain. I do love SS and Rhiannon with the piano intros. (Gives both songs some elegance and sophistication.)

ISA is ok. Dreams is zzzzzzzz. Gypsy is zzzzzzz. Over My Head is zzzzzz
Temp One... boring!!

YMLF is solid. Would love to hear the Oh Daddy version as a bonus.

I may be one of the only folks to love Sweet Girl. Beautiful melody on the chorus. I think Stevie really shines for the last time vocally here. After this, it's on and off nasal city for the rest of time. And now currently she's off key a lot. Back then she was the strongest with intonation as far as I was concerned.

I really like Sweet Girl!

This version of Songbird is terrific. I have the CD single with it on but nothing to play the CD on thesedays!

The points people have made about the overdubs are well made but I still have so much love for The Dance. It was the time I fell in love with the band and whatever extras are on it, I love the vibe.

[On Ice]

Hi J Brown, Stevie was actually pretty awesome on the '98 Enchanted outing, probably even better than the Dance, and she took more risks bringing on gems like Sleeping Angel and After the Glitter Fades. She knocked those out of the park. From that point on though, I agree it was hit or miss, ie when she was good, she was really, really good and hovered on terrible to parody when she wasn't . Case in point TISL, who would have thought we'd ever hear a high note again and she did it!

[jbrownsjr]

Hi J Brown, Stevie was actually pretty awesome on the '98 Enchanted outing, probably even better than the Dance, and she took more risks bringing on gems like Sleeping Angel and After the Glitter Fades. She knocked those out of the park. From that point on though, I agree it was hit or miss, ie when she was good, she was really, really good and hovered on terrible to parody when she wasn't . Case in point TISL, who would have thought we'd ever hear a high note again and she did it!

Ok! I'll go watch those youtubes! I had the box set, by the way. I think I did see that tour out here in LA. It's a blur with her tours. I couldn't stop following them around. (with no money!!) haha

[Macfan4life]

This. Full Mirage is what we deserve.

The Dance is funny. When it came out, I didn't realize that nearly the entire thing is overdubs. It's all I can see now. Fake, fake, fake.

That said, Mirage has lots of overdubs, too. But it's not as blatantly obvious.
The Dance had a few highlights:

Silver Springs
Landslide (actually hit #50)
Oh Daddy (sorry)
Everywhere (finally Lindsey on the song and good harmony)
Big Love (I hate this version now but in 1997 it was a Tango gem that we never heard live before)

Just imagine unleashing Isn't It Midnight and digging deep. The show is so safe and studio like that it drives me nuts. It plays as a good album to listen to but its too touched for my liking for something supposed to be LIVE. I had watched the MTV concert countless times before I saw the Dance show live. It was the same concert even with the same babbles to the audience.
Drop Stand Back, Not That Funny, Go Insane, that cheezy Say You Love Me and even Farmers Daughter (treason around here). Give me Sugar Daddy, Crystal, Frozen Love, Think About Me, I Don't Want To Know, Little Lies, Hold Me any other Lindsey song from Tusk. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!

[bwboy]

The Dance had a few highlights:

Silver Springs
Landslide (actually hit #50)
Oh Daddy (sorry)
Everywhere (finally Lindsey on the song and good harmony)
Big Love (I hate this version now but in 1997 it was a Tango gem that we never heard live before)

Just imagine unleashing Isn't It Midnight and digging deep. The show is so safe and studio like that it drives me nuts. It plays as a good album to listen to but its too touched for my liking for something supposed to be LIVE. I had watched the MTV concert countless times before I saw the Dance show live. It was the same concert even with the same babbles to the audience.
Drop Stand Back, Not That Funny, Go Insane, that cheezy Say You Love Me and even Farmers Daughter (treason around here). Give me Sugar Daddy, Crystal, Frozen Love, Think About Me, I Don't Want To Know, Little Lies, Hold Me any other Lindsey song from Tusk. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!

Me likee your list! Crystal, I Don’t Want to Know, Think About Me, and Little Lies would have been great songs for the Dance tour. Not sure why they skipped LL but I suspect Lindsey was the reason. Also, it’s pretty obvious to me he doesn’t like Isn’t It Midnight, as Lindsey has never played it but FM has played it when he’s not touring with them. Can’t be a coincidence. But the Farmer’s Daughter is beautiful and I loved their performance on it.

The Dance was safe, as you say, but they wanted to prove they were back, and in a big way, too, so I can see why they performed most of their hits and didn’t take many risks. Obviously it paid off, because FM made such a resurgence and got voted into the RRHOF shortly after, along with their first #1 album in 15 years.

[aleuzzi]

This. Full Mirage is what we deserve.

The Dance is funny. When it came out, I didn't realize that nearly the entire thing is overdubs. It's all I can see now. Fake, fake, fake.

That said, Mirage has lots of overdubs, too. But it's not as blatantly obvious.

Like you and Ulpian, I dig Sweet Girl. The harmonies on the later verses are great—you can really hear Christine on the high end. Someone on YouTube commented that the song itself sounds like an ad for an insurance company. It does! But I still dig it.

On The Dance, the following songs work well, I think:

Big Love
Silver Springs
YMLF
Songbird
Sweet Girl
My Little Demon
BTLH
Go Insane

I also love the torchy piano/vocal to Rhiannon and love Temporary One (sorry haters)

But GYOW, So Afraid, The Chain, Don’t Stop and Tusk sound lackluster on that intimate stage setting. Landslide sounds solid but not exceptional.

Gypsy, SYLM, and Everywhere are pleasant. OMH is a dud.

[ricohv]

This talk about Sweet Girl has me wondering if anyone has a clue what the line "I watched you fly across the world in a golden ball" means?
Also wondering why it took me 24 years to ask! :laugh:
Ricoh

[jbrownsjr]

This talk about Sweet Girl has me wondering if anyone has a clue what the line "I watched you fly across the world in a golden ball" means?
Also wondering why it took me 24 years to ask! :laugh:
Ricoh

It doesn't matter if the ocean is your blanket. :)

[bombaysaffires]

I thought the line was "I WANT to fly through the world in a golden ball" (at least it is on the Dance)

I really loved hearing Chris's high harmony on the end of Dreams.....

[jbrownsjr]

I thought the line was "I WANT to fly through the world in a golden ball" (at least it is on the Dance)


I don't know why that cracks me up so much. Maybe it falls under the "loon" things she says and does. When you say it out loud it's hilarious.

[HomerMcvie]

I thought the line was "I WANT to fly through the world in a golden ball" (at least it is on the Dance)

I really loved hearing Chris's high harmony on the end of Dreams.....

Maybe $he means Mick's balls? Although I wouldn't think they'd be golden. Probably brown and mossy. And can't forget about funky. :lol:

[Kubrick2788]

Bring on a deluxe Dance, please. This was, for me, everyone's last great go round. And I'm going to have to track down that single with Songbird on it. I've managed to snag the rest here and there...but it's the definitive live version of that song. I would hope for a full show from the tour alongside the full set of tracks from the studio performance. Until then I'll just throw on my playlist one more time...

[michelej1]

I really want more video footage, outtakes, behind the scenes stuff.

[jbrownsjr]

I really want more video footage, outtakes, behind the scenes stuff.

Yes there are some great interviews and footage that I have seen over the years. (news clips, promos, etc.)

[HomerMcvie]

I really want more video footage, outtakes, behind the scenes stuff.

But Stevie will stop anything unflattering from being released.

[jbrownsjr]

But Stevie will stop anything unflattering from being released.

That's a lot of material!! :eek:

[BigAl84]

But Stevie will stop anything unflattering from being released.

In that case she must not of listened to that 24 kt gold tour live album before it was released.:]:]:]

[HomerMcvie]

That's a lot of material!! :eek:

Tru dat.

I love the video of her and Christine doing the promo for whatever it was, and both are just so f*cked up. Way too high to be on video.

[aleuzzi]

But Stevie will stop anything unflattering from being released.

She couldn’t stop the Tango deluxe… and there ain’t much flattering for her there.

[UnwindedDreams]

She couldn’t stop the Tango deluxe… and there ain’t much flattering for her there.
Just the '97 Landslide kiss can get redacted:laugh:

[bwboy]

But Stevie will stop anything unflattering from being released.

What has she kept from being released in the past?

[HomerMcvie]

What has she kept from being released in the past?

If you think $he wouldn't have Irving put the kibosh on anything of which $he didn't approve, you're delusional.

PS- your Chiffon slip is showing. :woohoo::wavey:

[bwboy]

If you think $he wouldn't have Irving put the kibosh on anything of which $he didn't approve, you're delusional.

PS- your Chiffon slip is showing. :woohoo::wavey:

No, but when you make a statement like that, just back it up, that’s all. If you can’t, then don’t say it. I would have asked the same question if you had said that about Christine, John, Lindsey, Mick, Rick, Billy, even Bekka! I was genuinely curious when I read your comment, I thought maybe you had some examples I might have forgotten about or never known.

[HomerMcvie]

Don't presume you can tell me what to do. Because you can't.

Stevie now owns the band. She'll stop anything she doesn't want released, or threaten to quit again.

[jbrownsjr]

If you think $he wouldn't have Irving put the kibosh on anything of which $he didn't approve, you're delusional.

PS- your Chiffon slip is showing. :woohoo::wavey:

Well she edited out one major thing we know of. She didn't like the way he made her look when he smirked. hahahahahaha!!

[bwboy]

Don't presume you can tell me what to do. Because you can't.

Stevie now owns the band. She'll stop anything she doesn't want released, or threaten to quit again.

Oh, so you were just trolling. Got it.

[Macfan4life]

Speaking of lost footage, the in depth rehearsal interviews that are on youtube are fascinating to watch today. I never saw them until about 15 years ago. Entertainment Tonight only showed a few seconds of this giant long interview and its interesting to watch. Clearly money brought them back together. The Eagles made a fortune on their reunion and now it was their turn. Both Lindsey's and Stevie's solo careers were floundering. Mick always needs money so of course he was game. Chris was a team player but you can tell she was not thrilled. Its amazing how fast $tevie forgave Mick over the Silver Springs debacle to kiss his ass for this gig.

[bombaysaffires]

Speaking of lost footage, the in depth rehearsal interviews that are on youtube are fascinating to watch today. I never saw them until about 15 years ago. Entertainment Tonight only showed a few seconds of this giant long interview and its interesting to watch. Clearly money brought them back together. The Eagles made a fortune on their reunion and now it was their turn. Both Lindsey's and Stevie's solo careers were floundering. Mick always needs money so of course he was game. Chris was a team player but you can tell she was not thrilled. Its amazing how fast $tevie forgave Mick over the Silver Springs debacle to kiss his ass for this gig.

which ones do you mean?

the one where Lindsey spontaneously kisses her on the head??:eek:

"he fell for her again
she watched it happen"

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, so you were just trolling. Got it.

Keep pushing on. :laugh:

[Ulpian]

Speaking of lost footage, the in depth rehearsal interviews that are on youtube are fascinating to watch today. I never saw them until about 15 years ago. Entertainment Tonight only showed a few seconds of this giant long interview and its interesting to watch. Clearly money brought them back together. The Eagles made a fortune on their reunion and now it was their turn. Both Lindsey's and Stevie's solo careers were floundering. Mick always needs money so of course he was game. Chris was a team player but you can tell she was not thrilled. Its amazing how fast $tevie forgave Mick over the Silver Springs debacle to kiss his ass for this gig.


⬆️ This.

If you watch the whole lot, it is very clear what the driving factor was.

And Christine just seems so unimpressed throughout the whole thing: you can see that look she presumably gave when they asked her about extending the tour. Supremely jaded.

[bwboy]

⬆️ This.

If you watch the whole lot, it is very clear what the driving factor was.

And Christine just seems so unimpressed throughout the whole thing: you can see that look she presumably gave when they asked her about extending the tour. Supremely jaded.

I’m sure you’re right that money was a factor for all of them, but I also think there were two more factors: Mick and John really enjoyed touring/playing live, and especially playing to full houses and not to the embarrassing crowds of their Time tour, when they were on a triple bill lineup. And second, I’m sure Stevie and Lindsey saw this reunion as an opportunity to resurrect their own solo careers, and also go out on a high note with Fleetwood Mac. I mean, the Dance special on MTV was tremendous on every level- they were all smart to capitalize on that. Third, some of Christine’s reluctance to tour may have been due to her fear of flying.

[UnwindedDreams]

And second, I’m sure Stevie and Lindsey saw this reunion as an opportunity to resurrect their own solo careers, and also go out on a high note with Fleetwood Mac. I mean, the Dance special on MTV was tremendous on every level- they were all smart to capitalize on that.
I think Stevie wanted to perform with Lindsey again too. You remember the video from the BTM Tour where she said she hopes he can see it in his heart to work with her again. She asked him to do Twisted with her in 1996 too. It is interesting that Stevie didn't do anything in 95 and 96 (other than 2 new songs for soundtracks and 2 concerts that took place in the daylight)

I'm not sure Lindsey did it because it might resurrect his solo career since Lindsey's solo career had never been a money maker, but I think for the money because he was going to be starting a family.

[bwboy]

I think Stevie wanted to perform with Lindsey again too. You remember the video from the BTM Tour where she said she hopes he can see it in his heart to work with her again. She asked him to do Twisted with her in 1996 too. It is interesting that Stevie didn't do anything in 95 and 96 (other than 2 new songs for soundtracks and 2 concerts that took place in the daylight)

I'm not sure Lindsey did it because it might resurrect his solo career since Lindsey's solo career had never been a money maker, but I think for the money because he was going to be starting a family.

I think you’re exactly right about Lindsey not using the Dance to resurrect his solo career. It doesn’t seem like he’s ever been so focused on being popular. Money, definitely, but also I know he’s spoken about the importance of FM’s legacy in the past, and that may have been a big factor in his decision, too. If I recall, FM had been nominated for the RRHOF twice before, but it wasn’t until the Dance came out that they made it in. That was not a coincidence. I think up until the Dance aired on MTV, it could have gone either way- the special could have been not well received and been their last gig, or it could have been well received and led to a resurgence. Fortunately, it was the latter.

I’m curious which video you’re referring to from the BTM era. I believe Stevie wanted to work with him, I just don’t recall a video or interview where she said that. I know people have said she’s always wanted him out of the band, but the evidence doesn’t support that idea at all. By all accounts, she begged him not to leave in 1987; Billy Burnette said Stevie was the one who asked Lindsey to play at the inauguration (and for Billy to step back); and she’d complained for years that she would call him for advice about a song and he wouldn’t respond, at least until Twisted. That doesn’t sound like someone who wanted him out of the band.

[jmn3]

I’m curious which video you’re referring to from the BTM era.

https://youtu.be/9y5yWJ3K4OM

Around :35 is where she says that line

[UnwindedDreams]

I think you’re exactly right about Lindsey not using the Dance to resurrect his solo career. It doesn’t seem like he’s ever been so focused on being popular. Money, definitely, but also I know he’s spoken about the importance of FM’s legacy in the past, and that may have been a big factor in his decision, too. If I recall, FM had been nominated for the RRHOF twice before, but it wasn’t until the Dance came out that they made it in. That was not a coincidence. I think up until the Dance aired on MTV, it could have gone either way- the special could have been not well received and been their last gig, or it could have been well received and led to a resurgence. Fortunately, it was the latter.

I’m curious which video you’re referring to from the BTM era. I believe Stevie wanted to work with him, I just don’t recall a video or interview where she said that. I know people have said she’s always wanted him out of the band, but the evidence doesn’t support that idea at all. By all accounts, she begged him not to leave in 1987; Billy Burnette said Stevie was the one who asked Lindsey to play at the inauguration (and for Billy to step back); and she’d complained for years that she would call him for advice about a song and he wouldn’t respond, at least until Twisted. That doesn’t sound like someone who wanted him out of the band.
The video is of them doing Landslide, it was either in Oakland or Inglewood.
I have a feeling Lindsey said to Stevie during the tour meetings for 2018 that she wouldn't be "Stevie Nicks" if he hadn't taken the offer to join Fleetwood Mac and that's why she told Mick/Irving I can't work with him anymore.

As far as the Rock Hall bwboy, look who also got in at the 98 Ceremony... Eagles.
I believe FM and Stevie should be in the HOF, but I believe Irving helps to get one in. And in Stevie's case, you know I feel Tina, Diana, Gloria, Chaka, Carole, Cher, and Pat Benatar should've been inducted before Stevie for their musical contributions.
Stevie I believe should be inducted for her stage personality and performances.

[Macfan4life]

which ones do you mean?

the one where Lindsey spontaneously kisses her on the head??:eek:

"he fell for her again
she watched it happen"
This is a 4 part series. I am only posting part 1. Its just fun to watch from today. Interesting how Chris said in 1997 that she still had a solo album to do that was under contract. My favorite part is when they talk about the Clinton inauguration and the interviewer asks the McVies if they would ever do something like that for Tony Blair. Their facial expressions are so funny and did not even take it as a joke. They were adamant they would never do anything for the Labor party.
Btw, some misinterpreted my earlier comments. Lindsey never did a solo career for money. My point was the money they were offered was too much for Lindsey not to go back at this point in his life....starting a family and not having to just live off past projects. Another fascinating segment that I never knew comes in segment #2 where Lindsey states he and Stevie were at the studio when Mick came to check out the studio and listen to the Buckingham/Nicks music to test the studio. They saw this giant tall guy jamming to their music with headphones on.
The Dance was a huge reset for the band. The Palm Beach Post had an article in 1997 how the band had reserved 3 floors of the Breakers Hotel on Palm Beach for their West Palm Beach stop. The year prior, Mick, John, and Fleetwood Mac stayed at the Comfort Inn in a shady part of town. How things changed in one year. The Dance's limelight brought back Stevie's solo career and getting her confidence to go back on stage after Street Angel. The Dance also got all the old Fleetwood Mac albums selling again. Rumours came back on the charts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yo_8NRQ9VQ

[Ulpian]

This is a 4 part series. I am only posting part 1. Its just fun to watch from today. Interesting how Chris said in 1997 that she still had a solo album to do that was under contract. My favorite part is when they talk about the Clinton inauguration and the interviewer asks the McVies if they would ever do something like that for Tony Blair. Their facial expressions are so funny and did not even take it as a joke. They were adamant they would never do anything for the Labor party.


I find the Labour bit hilarious. To be fair, the last time either McVie had been tax resident in the U.K. at that stage, Labour would have taxed them to the eyeballs. Blair ended up ushering in a period of relative prosperity, even for those at the upper end of the earnings spectrum.

[bwboy]

The Dance was a huge reset for the band. The Palm Beach Post had an article in 1997 how the band had reserved 3 floors of the Breakers Hotel on Palm Beach for their West Palm Beach stop. The year prior, Mick, John, and Fleetwood Mac stayed at the Comfort Inn in a shady part of town. How things changed in one year. The Dance's limelight brought back Stevie's solo career and getting her confidence to go back on stage after Street Angel. The Dance also got all the old Fleetwood Mac albums selling again. Rumours came back on the charts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yo_8NRQ9VQ

I agree 100%. The name brand Fleetwood Mac had lost so much of it’s value then. I wouldn’t say being a FM fan at that time was embarrassing, but it felt like it had whimpered to a horrible end, and then the Dance came along and they were being played all the time on MTV, VH1, and radio, and everyone was raving about them. It was great to see them back in their glory, and so respected by the music industry, critics, and fans again. I can only imagine how John and Mick must have felt, to go from the Time tour to the Dance tour!

[Macfan4life]

I find the Labour bit hilarious. To be fair, the last time either McVie had been tax resident in the U.K. at that stage, Labour would have taxed them to the eyeballs. Blair ended up ushering in a period of relative prosperity, even for those at the upper end of the earnings spectrum.
It was almost like he asked them if they would ever perform at a Satanic church or something :lol:

Chris stated in 1995 that she would have never voted for Bill Clinton yet she was honored he picked their song.

[michelej1]

I think you’re exactly right about Lindsey not using the Dance to resurrect his solo career. It doesn’t seem like he’s ever been so focused on being popular. Money, definitely, but also I know he’s spoken about the importance of FM’s legacy in the past, and that may have been a big factor in his decision, too. If I recall, FM had been nominated for the RRHOF twice before, but it wasn’t until the Dance came out that they made it in. That was not a coincidence. I think up until the Dance aired on MTV, it could have gone either way- the special could have been not well received and been their last gig, or it could have been well received and led to a resurgence. Fortunately, it was the latter.

I’m curious which video you’re referring to from the BTM era. I believe Stevie wanted to work with him, I just don’t recall a video or interview where she said that. I know people have said she’s always wanted him out of the band, but the evidence doesn’t support that idea at all. By all accounts, she begged him not to leave in 1987; Billy Burnette said Stevie was the one who asked Lindsey to play at the inauguration (and for Billy to step back); and she’d complained for years that she would call him for advice about a song and he wouldn’t respond, at least until Twisted. That doesn’t sound like someone who wanted him out of the band.

Lindsey showed up at the end of two of the final BTM concerts. I believe it was during her introduction to Landslide on one of the nights that Lindsey was there that Stevie said she hoped that he would find it in his heart to work with her again.

[michelej1]

Oh, I just looked at my tape and what she actually said was that she hoped that someday “he’ll find it in his heart to spend some time with me and maybe make some music.”

But in 1990 that was not the only time she said she wanted to work with him. She told an interviewer that she called him on the phone and asked him to work on a couple of songs with her and he would not take the call. She said that in June. I always theorized that when Lindsey’s brother died in November, 1990 that the band probably reached out to him and that’s why they were on friendly enough terms for him to show up at the last BTM concerts later that year.

By the way, I read a Greg Buckingham interview and he was so modest and made it seem like winning a medal was just a fluke. Our guy is not that modest.:laugh:

[vivfox]

Oh, I just looked at my tape and what she actually said was that she hoped that someday “he’ll find it in his heart to spend some time with me and maybe make some music.”

But in 1990 that was not the only time she said she wanted to work with him. She told an interviewer that she called him on the phone and asked him to work on a couple of songs with her and he would not take the call. She said that in June.

In other words, he gave her radio silence. My, how the tables have turned.

[michelej1]

In other words, he gave her radio silence. My, how the tables have turned.

But I think that if she had suffered a heart attack, he would have taken the call. Actually, he would have made a call. And he did attend Mick’s wedding. Even then, he did not treat them, as he has been treated.

[UnwindedDreams]

But I think that if she had suffered a heart attack, he would have taken the call. Actually, he would have made a call. And he did attend Mick’s wedding. Even then, he did not treat them, as he has been treated.
Do you think her note to him after the heart attack said "Love, Stevie"?

It sounds like it was a Get Well card from the band.

[vivfox]

But I think that if she had suffered a heart attack, he would have taken the call. Actually, he would have made a call. And he did attend Mick’s wedding. Even then, he did not treat them, as he has been treated.

Yes, this is true. He walked away from the people he truly cared about because he could not stand to watch them depreciate their lives any longer with drug abuse. And with Stevie since admitting she was still addicted in 1994 it's no surprise he didn't want to take her call until he learned that she had truly gotten help for her issues.
My other comment was off base really and I'm sorry for saying that. I just don't like reading multiple comments from members continuing to pound on Stevie, whether they feel she deserves ultimate punishment for her sins or not.

[michelej1]

Do you think her note to him after the heart attack said "Love, Stevie"?

It sounds like it was a Get Well card from the band.

You know she said that being an ex she said more in her card. Maybe she ended it with TTYL.

[jbrownsjr]

You know she said that being an ex she said more in her card. Maybe she ended it with TTYL.

Or, Thrown Down with the tense changes still in there.

[HomerMcvie]

Or, Thrown Down with the tense changes still in there.

Would you say that to Blob Dylan?

[moon]

Hi! Happy New Year for everyone!!:blob1:
A good deluxe version of The Dance would be really good, but I don't think it would include other songs like The Farmer's Daughter or Oh Daddy...I think it would have the "entire" concert (that released in 1997), both on CD and DVD/BlueRay, not with other songs, but maybe with a multicamera or something like that!
BTW, it's sad to know that probably the entire show, or a big part of it was recorded before and then performed...it's disappointing! But everytime I hear some of the songs, I remember good times learning to play them. My favs are The Chain, Everywhere, I'm So Afraid -one of the best guitar solos ever-, Gypsy, Over My Head, Tusk, Silver Springs and Sweet Girl.

On the other hand, maybe we deserve a good Mirage Tour concert, but I go with a good Tusk Tour one. Except for the documentary, I need a truly concert, a full one with those wonderful songs they performed between 1979 and 1980. Please! I still don't understand why the last deluxe edition didn't include it!!!:(

[vivfox]

but I go with a good Tusk Tour one. Except for the documentary, I need a truly concert, a full one with those wonderful songs they performed between 1979 and 1980. Please! I still don't understand why the last deluxe edition didn't include it!!!:
(
This is total thread hijak but I have no use whatsoever for a Dance Deluxe. I never even bought the original. At that point I was already fed up with the same ole same ole from this band. But I am in full agreement on wanting some great Tusk Tour shows. Somebody out there has access to those tapes and I need to hear them. And I mean all of them on that entire tour. My whole FM existence begins and ends with the Live Rhiannon's and her best ones ever came on the latter half of the Tusk Tour, preferably in May & June of 1980. Of the three that I have from that time period, they are amongst my all time faves. Rotterdam, London and Chicago. I know there has got to be more. The one they released from Tuscon recorded in late August 1980 is right up there with these three I mentioned.

[Macfan4life]

This is total thread hijak but I have no use whatsoever for a Dance Deluxe. I never even bought the original. At that point I was already fed up with the same ole same ole from this band. But I am in full agreement on wanting some great Tusk Tour shows. Somebody out there has access to those tapes and I need to hear them. And I mean all of them on that entire tour. My whole FM existence begins and ends with the Live Rhiannon's and her best ones ever came on the latter half of the Tusk Tour, preferably in May & June of 1980. Of the three that I have from that time period, they are amongst my all time faves. Rotterdam, London and Chicago. I know there has got to be more. The one they released from Tuscon recorded in late August 1980 is right up there with these three I mentioned.
I know how you feel. I did buy the Dance and camped out for tickets. But I felt odd not being more excited. I found their performance stale since I saw it on MTV so many times. It was the same exact show with the same words to the audience. The Dance was exciting because Lindsey was back. Stevie was back and they were performing live again. Silver Springs finally got the attention that it deserved. I swear I almost felt how Chris looked. A bit bored :eek:
I too would not really have interest in the Dance extended. I actually felt guilty leaving the Dance concert. I waited my entire life to see Lindsey and the band together live and I remember thinking the Farewell concert in 1990 was a better production. Strange.

[jbrownsjr]

I know how you feel. I did buy the Dance and camped out for tickets. But I felt odd not being more excited. I found their performance stale since I saw it on MTV so many times. It was the same exact show with the same words to the audience. The Dance was exciting because Lindsey was back. Stevie was back and they were performing live again. Silver Springs finally got the attention that it deserved. I swear I almost felt how Chris looked. A bit bored :eek:
I too would not really have interest in the Dance extended. I actually felt guilty leaving the Dance concert. I waited my entire life to see Lindsey and the band together live and I remember thinking the Farewell concert in 1990 was a better production. Strange.

The BTM show in Cleveland blew the socks off The Dance Cleveland. Christine and Rick carried that show and it blew me away.

[mylittledemon]

I don't like that version of The Chain.


:eek: ... it's my favorite version :lol:

I agree with you about Silver Springs and Songbird. Really love So Afraid, Everywhere and GYOW too.

[jbrownsjr]

:eek: ... it's my favorite version :lol:

I agree with you about Silver Springs and Songbird. Really love So Afraid, Everywhere and GYOW too.

My favorite is Mirage 1982 Forum. Love both nights, actually.

[Ulpian]

:eek: ... it's my favorite version :lol:

I agree with you about Silver Springs and Songbird. Really love So Afraid, Everywhere and GYOW too.

I love that version of The Chain too, although the tour version differed slightly didn’t it? The latter I think had the backing singers doing the high “Stiiiiill head you saaaying” which Chris did on the original Rumours album track.

[SteveMacD]

:eek: ... it's my favorite version :lol:

Without the soloing at the end, it felt completely neutered.

Same for “Rhiannon.”

[mylittledemon]

My favorite is Mirage 1982 Forum. Love both nights, actually.

I love that version, too... Lindsey is a madman on it :thumbsup:

Without the soloing at the end, it felt completely neutered.

Same for “Rhiannon.”

The ending of Rhiannon from The Dance has always been weird to me... still don't know why Lindsey didn't solo it out

[Macfan4life]

Without the soloing at the end, it felt completely neutered.

Same for “Rhiannon.”
Exactly.
But all the songs as a whole were more studio sounding vs the typical arena rock sound.

[michelej1]

This might be wrong to say, but I liked Lindsey's duet with Little Big Town on The Chain a lot. I liked the LBT singers Karen and Kimberly on it.

Of course, I don't favor it over classic FM versions, but I did enjoy it.

[BLY]

This might be wrong to say, but I liked Lindsey's duet with Little Big Town on The Chain a lot. I liked the LBT singers Karen and Kimberly on it.

Of course, I don't favor it over classic FM versions, but I did enjoy it.

I loved the LBT version with Lindsey on The Chain. LBT has been my new Favorite “vocal band” for years. Every album is amazing and many songs are Fleetwood Macish.

[jbrownsjr]

Without the soloing at the end, it felt completely neutered.

Same for “Rhiannon.”

Neutered is the exact word that makes sense to me.

[Macfan4life]

Neutered is the exact word that makes sense to me.
Sisters was also way neutered on the On With The Show tour too

[HomerMcvie]

Sisters was also way neutered on the On With The Show tour too

I was singing the high notes for her, since she no longer tries.

[vivfox]

I was singing the high notes for her, since she no longer tries.

:laugh::laugh: I wish Sharon and Marilyn would sing full backup for Christine as well as SN on the next FM tour.

[Macfan4life]

I was singing the high notes for her, since she no longer tries.
I was not referring to your American Idol Stevie Nicks. I was referring to the musical arrangement. Sisters live is a knock your block off kind of song. Yet it came and went with a whisper. I know Lindsey's wild guitar playing offends you but I really liked hearing/watching him jam to the end of Sisters. But we did not get this last time :(

[UnwindedDreams]

I was not referring to your American Idol Stevie Nicks. I was referring to the musical arrangement. Sisters live is a knock your block off kind of song. Yet it came and went with a whisper. I know Lindsey's wild guitar playing offends you but I really liked hearing/watching him jam to the end of Sisters. But we did not get this last time :(
Did you think it was bad in 2013? I thought it was good. Stevie was into it since she hadn't done it for 30 years

I don't know why they did it for another 2 years for OWTS

[elle]

Did you think it was bad in 2013? I thought it was good. Stevie was into it since she hadn't done it for 30 years

I don't know why they did it for another 2 years for OWTS

i'm with Macfan4life. it was horrible. Stevie neutered him not allowing to overshadow her with the awesome guitar soloing he'd do on Sisters. not just that it didn't rise to previous live levls but it didn't rise even to the recorded levels. screaming guitar on Sisters is awesome, and i so was looking forward to it.

[jbrownsjr]

i'm with Macfan4life. it was horrible. Stevie neutered him not allowing to overshadow her with the awesome guitar soloing he'd do on Sisters. not just that it didn't rise to previous live levls but it didn't rise even to the recorded levels. screaming guitar on Sisters is awesome, and i so was looking forward to it.

Agree 100%. It's the band's intensity along with her (back then) vocal range that made this song come alive. The guitar solo was a beautiful long exclamation point for this song. Album version too!!

[HomerMcvie]

I was not referring to your American Idol Stevie Nicks. I was referring to the musical arrangement. Sisters live is a knock your block off kind of song. Yet it came and went with a whisper. I know Lindsey's wild guitar playing offends you but I really liked hearing/watching him jam to the end of Sisters. But we did not get this last time :(
Oh please, get off your soapbox with Lindsey's guitar playing and me. Just because I don't like Come. I hear that that's an acquired taste.

I only want to know who neutered it. Her or him.

[jbrownsjr]

Oh please, get off your soapbox with Lindsey's guitar playing and me. Just because I don't like Come. I hear that that's an acquired taste.

I only want to know who neutered it. Her or him.

Macfan is obsessed with your likes and dislikes!! :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Macfan is obsessed with your likes and dislikes!! :laugh:

Me thinks it's mutual. :lol:

We CLEARLY like grinding each other's gears.

[UnwindedDreams]

Oh please, get off your soapbox with Lindsey's guitar playing and me. Just because I don't like Come. I hear that that's an acquired taste.

I only want to know who neutered it. Her or him.

This post gets the walls flaming:laugh:

[elle]

I only want to know who neutered it. Her or him.

her.

look up i think it was Gold Dust Woman from Paris 2013. one of her songs. he's soloing all over the place. it's amazing. and then look at the comments. Stevie cult spitting all over him that why is he overshadowing her on her song.

no wonder that he talks in interviews now how she hated him overshadowing her on stage with FM. in the past he was appeasing her for peace in the band. and look where that got him.

[HomerMcvie]

This post gets the walls flaming:laugh:

Her walls have been flaming for decades. An ocean of Preparation H couldn't extinguish her battle worn flaming walls.

[HomerMcvie]

her.

look up i think it was Gold Dust Woman from Paris 2013. one of her songs. he's soloing all over the place. it's amazing. and then look at the comments. Stevie cult spitting all over him that why is he overshadowing her on her song.

no wonder that he talks in interviews now how she hated him overshadowing her on stage with FM. in the past he was appeasing her for peace in the band. and look where that got him.

I've heard casual fan friends review their show to me(who has assumed they were going to the Stevie show).... they were shocked that it was the Lindsey show . She was an old lady who could barely move, and he was a rock GOD, commanding the stage for the entire show. How DARE he overshadow THE LEGEND!?

[jbrownsjr]

Me thinks it's mutual. :lol:

We CLEARLY like grinding each other's gears.

I love it! Oh Homer, if I could make ya see. If there's been a jerk around, it's got to be you. yessssssssssssss it's got to be you... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa............... :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

I love it! Oh Homer, if I could make ya see. If there's been a jerk around, it's got to be you. yessssssssssssss it's got to be you... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa............... :xoxo:

I'm not familiar with that song. But I could use a nap right now...

[SteveMacD]

I only want to know who neutered it. Her or him.

Well, he WAS the musical director.

Here’s evidence that it was Lindsey who neutered the songs. (https://youtu.be/VouOL9mGqfI)

[jbrownsjr]

I'm not familiar with that song. But I could use a nap right now...

I'll be waitin for ya, if you ever want to be there...

[HomerMcvie]

Well, he WAS the musical director.

Here’s evidence that it was Lindsey who neutered the songs. (https://youtu.be/VouOL9mGqfI)

Yeah, but I'm sure he did things to appease the old goat.

[Macfan4life]

Yeah, but I'm sure he did things to appease the old goat.
I bet when it comes to music, she does not tell him how to play (anymore). IMHO Sisters was no longer an encore and they shortened it as to include more songs in the set list. Stevie has no powerful voice so why should it also have a powerful ending?

Speaking of edits, the most strange that Stevie does have control over is her editing out her last verse of Edge of 17. The song is longer than ever with all her doves crying and long ending and she eliminates one of her best verses ever written. Makes no sense.

[HomerMcvie]

Speaking of edits, the most strange that Stevie does have control over is her editing out her last verse of Edge of 17. The song is longer than ever with all her doves crying and long ending and she eliminates one of her best verses ever written. Makes no sense.

Is this your first day here? Has she ever made sense? It's a wonder she remembers to breathe!:lol:

[UnwindedDreams]

Well, he WAS the musical director.

Here’s evidence that it was Lindsey who neutered the songs. (https://youtu.be/VouOL9mGqfI)
Do you think Mike was the musical director on the last tour?

Chuck Leavell is for The Stones. Dave Rosenthal is for Billy Joel. Davey Johnstone for Elton. Waddy for Stevie.

[elle]

Yeah, but I'm sure he did things to appease the old goat.

of course he did.

and he stopped when Chris came back. one of the reasons he's out now.

Lindsey's OOTC tour as an example? oh yeah that was definitely one neutered tour. :laugh:

[David]

look up i think it was Gold Dust Woman from Paris 2013. one of her songs. he's soloing all over the place. it's amazing. and then look at the comments. Stevie cult spitting all over him that why is he overshadowing her on her song.
If Stevie ever felt he was stepping on her musically in concert, she should have put more intensity into her performance. That's what they both used to do in the old days -- try to batter the hell out of each other with passionate arena rock showmanship -- and it made for a memorable show, especially if you were within twenty or thirty rows of the stage. (That's why they used to call Christine the eye of the hurricane.) The jiu jitsu started on "Monday Morning" and spiked and troughed through a two-hour set. The hand-holding cutesiness of "Angel" on the St. Louis film was early in the tour and did not last -- that song and others (like "World Turning" and "Go Your Own Way") developed into a Buckingham vs. Nicks fight for stage supremacy, whether through instrumental or vocal means. None of this "He's playing too loud" griping. When he turned it up, she turned it up. You guys have all seen "The Chain" from the 1982 LA gig. There were great patches like that at literally every show. I've always said that what everybody lauded as a one-off of emotional energy was happening all the time, actually. (You should have seen the Irvine Meadows show three days before that. LA was just like second and third takes.) It was thrilling back then because they really put it all into Fleetwood Mac. The band members were still tight enough to go outrageously over the top.

[SteveMacD]

Do you think Mike was the musical director on the last tour?
I don’t know if they had one, to be honest. I think it was more of a group effort.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey's OOTC tour as an example? oh yeah that was definitely one neutered tour. :laugh:

“The Chain” was certainly neutered. Even the solo after the bass solo was significantly pared down. Blah. Like, why bother?

[elle]

If Stevie ever felt he was stepping on her musically in concert, she should have put more intensity into her performance. That's what they both used to do in the old days -- try to batter the hell out of each other with passionate arena rock showmanship -- and it made for a memorable show, especially if you were within twenty or thirty rows of the stage. (That's why they used to call Christine the eye of the hurricane.) The jiu jitsu started on "Monday Morning" and spiked and troughed through a two-hour set. The hand-holding cutesiness of "Angel" on the St. Louis film was early in the tour and did not last -- that song and others (like "World Turning" and "Go Your Own Way") developed into a Buckingham vs. Nicks fight for stage supremacy, whether through instrumental or vocal means. None of this "He's playing too loud" griping. When he turned it up, she turned it up. You guys have all seen "The Chain" from the 1982 LA gig. There were great patches like that at literally every show. I've always said that what everybody lauded as a one-off of emotional energy was happening all the time, actually. (You should have seen the Irvine Meadows show three days before that. LA was just like second and third takes.) It was thrilling back then because they really put it all into Fleetwood Mac. The band members were still tight enough to go outrageously over the top.

love this so much! thanks for describing it.

yes, i guess what we newcomers in the fandom have now is mostly that crazy The Chain, so at least there's that memento of the times long passed.

[bombaysaffires]

If Stevie ever felt he was stepping on her musically in concert, she should have put more intensity into her performance. That's what they both used to do in the old days -- try to batter the hell out of each other with passionate arena rock showmanship -- and it made for a memorable show, especially if you were within twenty or thirty rows of the stage. (That's why they used to call Christine the eye of the hurricane.) The jiu jitsu started on "Monday Morning" and spiked and troughed through a two-hour set. The hand-holding cutesiness of "Angel" on the St. Louis film was early in the tour and did not last -- that song and others (like "World Turning" and "Go Your Own Way") developed into a Buckingham vs. Nicks fight for stage supremacy, whether through instrumental or vocal means. None of this "He's playing too loud" griping. When he turned it up, she turned it up. You guys have all seen "The Chain" from the 1982 LA gig. There were great patches like that at literally every show. I've always said that what everybody lauded as a one-off of emotional energy was happening all the time, actually. (You should have seen the Irvine Meadows show three days before that. LA was just like second and third takes.) It was thrilling back then because they really put it all into Fleetwood Mac. The band members were still tight enough to go outrageously over the top.

do not underestimate the contribution of coke to the energy of those performances, especially Stevie's. Without that energy boost, and combined with the inevitable slowing down of some kind due to aging (don't care about Lindsey; she's not him and clearly it has affected her differently than him) her performances just can't begin to retain that of the earlier years.

[SteveMacD]

(don't care about Lindsey; she's not him and clearly it has affected her differently than him)

He’s slowed down, too, just differently. Physically, he still puts on a relatively energetic show, but the intensity has waned. He also doesn’t play as hard as he used to. Compare everything up to the Mirage tour, and even by the OOTC tour he started paring things down. It’s like he went from being a boxer to a wound up kid at Chuck E. Cheese.

[Macfan4life]

do not underestimate the contribution of coke to the energy of those performances, especially Stevie's. Without that energy boost, and combined with the inevitable slowing down of some kind due to aging (don't care about Lindsey; she's not him and clearly it has affected her differently than him) her performances just can't begin to retain that of the earlier years.
Oh yes definitely. Coke was the fuel for many manic performances. By the mid 80s, it was ruining the performances but it was so bad it was sort of good in a twisted way. Then klonopin turned her into a zombie with passionless performances. Then she quit smoking and her voice got flat. Now she is just old.

I think her Gold Dust Woman performance at the Bob Welch and friends concert is one of the best ever. Totally coke fueled. Her speaking in tongues Sisters performance totally coke fueled. Even when she would speak to the audience in those days, her thoughts were one step ahead of her words and sometimes what she was talking about collided with what she was about to say and it made little sense. IMHO the best dancing she ever did on stage was at the end of How Still My Love on the Wild Heart tour. Benmont would play this solo near the end of the song and she would do this full body dance flapping her arms. It was insanely good. Coke fueled good times!

These were the days. How Still My Love was so good in those days. Its like her band slows down for her while she fetches a hat from the audience before the second verse. Incredible! Then she is so high she starts jogging in place at the mic near the end. LOVE IT. BTW, with the right mix of controlled substances, I can also do this dance and clap opposite the beat just like her.
It does not get better than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if0lkSZM8Ag&list=PLyvhdNeoVwyn8fghfafzrouOuhK2Vl-f0&index=13

[Steviegirl]

Oh yes definitely. Coke was the fuel for many manic performances. By the mid 80s, it was ruining the performances but it was so bad it was sort of good in a twisted way. Then klonopin turned her into a zombie with passionless performances. Then she quit smoking and her voice got flat. Now she is just old.

I think her Gold Dust Woman performance at the Bob Welch and friends concert is one of the best ever. Totally coke fueled. Her speaking in tongues Sisters performance totally coke fueled. Even when she would speak to the audience in those days, her thoughts were one step ahead of her words and sometimes what she was talking about collided with what she was about to say and it made little sense. IMHO the best dancing she ever did on stage was at the end of How Still My Love on the Wild Heart tour. Benmont would play this solo near the end of the song and she would do this full body dance flapping her arms. It was insanely good. Coke fueled good times!

These were the days. How Still My Love was so good in those days. Its like her band slows down for her while she fetches a hat from the audience before the second verse. Incredible! Then she is so high she starts jogging in place at the mic near the end. LOVE IT. BTW, with the right mix of controlled substances, I can also do this dance and clap opposite the beat just like her.
It does not get better than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if0lkSZM8Ag&list=PLyvhdNeoVwyn8fghfafzrouOuhK2Vl-f0&index=13


Holy smokes. These are amazing. i thought I'd seen everything, but I've never seen these. Those were the days, indeed. If only these old films could be restored. Thank you so much for sharing.

[mylittledemon]

He’s slowed down, too, just differently. Physically, he still puts on a relatively energetic show, but the intensity has waned. He also doesn’t play as hard as he used to. It’s like he went from being a boxer to a wound up kid at Chuck E. Cheese.

His playing on the HBO/Mirage tour show is just... frenetic. Then you look at the way he plays NGBA nowadays and it's just blahhhh. But we forgive him, I mean it's been 40 years! ;)

[Macfan4life]

replying to Steviegirl:

These were the wild days when she had total sex appeal and could get away with crazy stuff on stage because of her looks. By the time RAL came around, her vocals were cokey, she just screamed and yelled, and her weight gain hurt her image. The Wild Heart tour was hit or miss with more hits. RAL was mostly misses. I've listened to most Wild Heart shows on youtube and pretty much think I saw the worst one. At times her vocals were cokey but there were times of really great vocals. Her decline started with Wild Heart shows. Bella Donna was fierce and strong vocals. But this time was the best with her going right up to the line of keeping control. She can be crazy but still belt out a pretty good vocal performance. IMHO her best years were 1980-1983
I've always wondered what happened to the Pro Shot Largo show post Gypsy. Maybe the tape was destroyed or maybe it was so bad it was destroyed on purpose :lol:. She started out really cokey. I believe they planned the entire Elaine thing making it a wow moment for the concert video. But I think she was too high to let it be released.
In any event, like you I wish there were more pro shot videos of this time but I am so thankful even for this grainy footage because of all things...it was WILD! She did the MC Hammer dance almost 20 years before MC Hammer :lol:

[vivfox]

It does not get better than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if0lkSZM8Ag&list=PLyvhdNeoVwyn8fghfafzrouOuhK2Vl-f0&index=13

Well this was a nice surprise. Never saw these videos before.

[SteveMacD]

Yeah, but I'm sure he did things to appease the old goat.

The counter to that is “Black Magic Woman” from the last tour where there was an extended jam with Mike and Christine.

[UnwindedDreams]

The counter to that is “Black Magic Woman” from the last tour where there was an extended jam with Mike and Christine.
Black Magic Woman isn't her song and she did sing Ah, Ah, Ah, Ah over the jam at the shows I attended. She introduced the song saying that it was written by Peter Green and that she thought it was written by Carlos Santana (she never said Santana but a band that will remain nameless)

No soloing in Rhiannon which would've been nice. I wish Neil had sung Black Magic Woman instead of Stevie. Chris would've sounded good on that one too.

[jbrownsjr]

The counter to that is “Black Magic Woman” from the last tour where there was an extended jam with Mike and Christine.

That was the best moment in the tour for me. Watching them jam.

[HomerMcvie]

That was the best moment in the tour for me. Watching them jam.
There was a tour?:laugh:

[michelej1]

If Stevie ever felt he was stepping on her musically in concert, she should have put more intensity into her performance. That's what they both used to do in the old days -- try to batter the hell out of each other with passionate arena rock showmanship -- and it made for a memorable show, especially if you were within twenty or thirty rows of the stage. (That's why they used to call Christine the eye of the hurricane.) The jiu jitsu started on "Monday Morning" and spiked and troughed through a two-hour set. The hand-holding cutesiness of "Angel" on the St. Louis film was early in the tour and did not last -- that song and others (like "World Turning" and "Go Your Own Way") developed into a Buckingham vs. Nicks fight for stage supremacy, whether through instrumental or vocal means. None of this "He's playing too loud" griping. When he turned it up, she turned it up. You guys have all seen "The Chain" from the 1982 LA gig. There were great patches like that at literally every show. I've always said that what everybody lauded as a one-off of emotional energy was happening all the time, actually. (You should have seen the Irvine Meadows show three days before that. LA was just like second and third takes.) It was thrilling back then because they really put it all into Fleetwood Mac. The band members were still tight enough to go outrageously over the top.

And it was inspiration through competition. It only began to bother Stevie when she couldn’t keep up any longer, when aches and pains left her unable to do what had been so effortless in her youth. Jump a foot off the ground in platforms, scream without fear of hurting her vocal chords, pound the stage without a break, etc. That’s when she began to tell herself and her fans that Lindsey was monopolizing the stage. Lindsay did what he had always done. The problem was, he didn’t voluntarily take it down a notch because she was FORCED to take it down the match. So that made him unbearable.

[vivfox]

That’s when she began to tell herself and her fans that Lindsey was monopolizing the stage. Lindsay did what he had always done

I never once heard her complain that LB monopolized the stage. It's Lindsey, BTW. (Haha. Gotcha)

[michelej1]

I never once heard her complain that LB monopolized the stage. It's Lindsey, BTW. (Haha. Gotcha)

I can’t find the whirling dervish quote, but that’s where she talked about him running around the stage and said she couldn’t compete with that. Was she complaining? You could say not, but her fans complained bitterly. He was trying to upstage her, they insisted . No, her own past upstaged her.

I don’t argue with Siri or autocorrect about the spelling of that man’s name. As I have said many times, I don’t even fight often about the spelling of my own name, I don’t care about his and I question Rutheda’s choices.

When I was on my desktop computer years ago, I was a spelling pro. Now, I am on my iPad and whatever happens happens.

[vivfox]

I can’t find the whirling dervish quote, but that’s where she talked about him running around the stage and said she couldn’t compete with that. Was she complaining? You could say not, but her fans complained bitterly. He was trying to upstage her, they insisted . No, her own past upstaged her.

I don’t argue with Siri or autocorrect about the spelling of that man’s name. As I have said many times, I don’t even fight often about the spelling of my own name, I don’t care about his and I question Rutheda’s choices.

When I was on my desktop computer years ago, I was a spelling pro. Now, I am on my iPad and whatever happens happens.

I actually fretted a bit you might send me to Ledgie jail for writing that. I still use a desktop. I like my large screen and I have always been the grammar police. And you know I'm not like most Stevie fans. I actually have a sense of humor.

[HomerMcvie]

I actually fretted a bit you might send me to Ledgie jail for writing that. I still use a desktop. I like my large screen and I have always been the grammar police. And you know I'm not like most Stevie fans. I actually have a sense of humor.

I appreciate every point in this post. I hate posting on my phone, because mistakes are inevitable when doing so.
And I too am a member of the grammar police. I TRY to keep my badge put away, but I'm secretly judging... oh yes....I am. :wavey:

[michelej1]

I use the speaker to dictate and sometimes, I am not kidding, the words change just as you hit SEND.

It will have the correct phrase and then, just as I hit send, it converts it to something no human would ever say.

[HomerMcvie]

I use the speaker to dictate and sometimes, I am not kidding, the words change just as you hit SEND.

It will have the correct phrase and then, just as I hit send, it converts it to something no human would ever say.

Voice to text(which I use half of the time) ALWAYS gets at least one word wrong. Butt(pun) I'm so anal, I HAVE to proofread and fix it before hitting send. If I'm driving and voice to texting a friend, I will ALWAYS preface my texts with, "I'm driving, so please forgive the voice to texts mistakes".

[moon]

Hi! I'm listening to The Dance right now, but I made a playlist including Oh Daddy and Second Hand News from a radio broadcast. It sounds really good! It's hard for me to know that most of the parts were recorded at the studio. The songs which were broadcasted on radio were also pre-recorded too?? I feel no difference!!
I definitely would say that, if a deluxe edition includes ALL the songs which were played but not released with any version of the album, FM and Warner can count with my vote. Definitely!
Everytime I hear the entire album, it sounds really fresh for me.:thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

Hi! I'm listening to The Dance right now, but I made a playlist including Oh Daddy and Second Hand News from a radio broadcast. It sounds really good! It's hard for me to know that most of the parts were recorded at the studio. The songs which were broadcasted on radio were also pre-recorded too?? I feel no difference!!
I definitely would say that, if a deluxe edition includes ALL the songs which were played but not released with any version of the album, FM and Warner can count with my vote. Definitely!
Everytime I hear the entire album, it sounds really fresh for me.:thumbsup:

I forgot about the radio broadcast. I had listened to that one a few times.

[moon]

In fact, ordering some files on my PC, I found them and included on The Dance folder. Was good to hear something closer to the complete setlist they used to do on that tour, of course knowing that they had some exceptions on some dates! Even Oh Daddy, which is not a favourite of mine, sounds pretty cool with a "1997" sound!

[jbrownsjr]

In fact, ordering some files on my PC, I found them and included on The Dance folder. Was good to hear something closer to the complete setlist they used to do on that tour, of course knowing that they had some exceptions on some dates! Even Oh Daddy, which is not a favourite of mine, sounds pretty cool with a "1997" sound!

Honestly, after hearing the Dance version, I fell in love with the song, (again).

[David]

Hi! I'm listening to The Dance right now, but I made a playlist including Oh Daddy and Second Hand News from a radio broadcast. It sounds really good! It's hard for me to know that most of the parts were recorded at the studio. I would say that most of what we’re hearing on the album comes from the live Burbank performances. Of course, the band polished the mixes in production and then mastered everything carefully, but this idea that the majority of the live album is from post-production cannot be true.

The songs which were broadcasted on radio were also pre-recorded too??I don’t think so. The Westwood One radio broadcast might have had some post-production done, but the majority is a recorded concert as heard at Irvine Meadows on the tour.

I think other people go overboard with their claims that such-and-such is all post-production. If Fleetwood Mac had done as much post-production on the 1980 LIVE album as some people say, it would have taken the band another six months to get the album out.

I definitely would say that, if a deluxe edition includes ALL the songs which were played but not released with any version of the album, FM and Warner can count with my vote. Definitely!
Everytime I hear the entire album, it sounds really fresh for me.:thumbsup:If they could just round up all the stray songs, that would be a great start. I remember that “Gold Dust Woman” was on a CD single or something else, as were a few others. Add “Go Insane,” “Gold Dust Woman,” and anything else that appears on the DVD but was left off the album in 1997. If they want to stick some tour performances in, go for it.

[HomerMcvie]

I would say that most of what we’re hearing on the album comes from the live Burbank performances. Of course, the band polished the mixes in production and then mastered everything carefully, but this idea that the majority of the live album is from post-production cannot be true.

I don’t think so. The Westwood One radio broadcast might have had some post-production done, but the majority is a recorded concert as heard at Irvine Meadows on the tour.

I think other people go overboard with their claims that such-and-such is all post-production. If Fleetwood Mac had done as much post-production on the 1980 LIVE album as some people say, it would have taken the band another six months to get the album out.

If they could just round up all the stray songs, that would be a great start. I remember that “Gold Dust Woman” was on a CD single or something else, as were a few others. Add “Go Insane,” “Gold Dust Woman,” and anything else that appears on the DVD but was left off the album in 1997. If they want to stick some tour performances in, go for it.
I'm throwing the BS FLAG. From Mirage forward, everything was overdubbed. At least as far as guitar solos. There's a reason the solos are always a "side shot".

[Macfan4life]

I'm throwing the BS FLAG. From Mirage forward, everything was overdubbed. At least as far as guitar solos. There's a reason the solos are always a "side shot".
Elementary, my dear Watson

Circumstantial evidence but Lindsey's guitar licks on You Make Loving Fun are insane on Mirage. Its perfection just like the album and I have never heard him duplicate that again live. Maybe its age. Maybe its overdubbed or maybe its Memorex :lol:

[moon]

Good points those you wrote! :blob2:
It's hard to find live albums not overdubbed, except if they were recorded in a very particular way. Live sounds more "natural" than The Dance, even knowing Live was recorded in stadiums and The Dance in a smaller place...
I have some examples, but the things overdubbed of course don't make the 100% of the final product...maybe a guitar, maybe a keyboard!
I was SO sure that there's Lindsey's backing vocals on My Little Demon. Listening to it yesterday, I repeated the chorus and the voice behind his wasn't Stevie's, wasn't Sharon's, wasn't Chris'...
If not the instruments, voices are something almost always modified!

[jbrownsjr]

I'm throwing the BS FLAG. From Mirage forward, everything was overdubbed. At least as far as guitar solos. There's a reason the solos are always a "side shot".

NO Don't, Don't break the spell. Cuz it was different and you know it was...

[SteveMacD]

Good points those you wrote! :blob2:
It's hard to find live albums not overdubbed, except if they were recorded in a very particular way.

Cough cough cough Dave Mason Certified Live cough cough cough.

[jbrownsjr]

Cough cough cough Dave Mason Certified Live cough cough cough.

touche, my Bengal friend. :laugh:

[BigAl84]

It does seem very odd that Warner/Reprise hasn't done a deluxe edition of this. It's a major cash grab opportunity and low-hanging fruit at that.

There are at least 4 songs that were not on the CD, they could stretch it to a 2 CD set. Even though the film wasn't shot in digital, I'm sure there is some amount of remastering that could be done.

Really clean audio of the irvine meadows show that was broadcasted on the radio would be really great to have too.

[mylittledemon]

There are at least 4 songs that were not on the CD, they could stretch it to a 2 CD set. Even though the film wasn't shot in digital, I'm sure there is some amount of remastering that could be done.

That's right. Gold Dust Woman, Over My Head, Go Insane, and Gypsy weren't included. A lost opportunity to include on a double vinyl in the least. Other Ledgies including yourself have pointed out that, unfortunately, the show wasn't filmed in widescreen (what the F were they thinking??) so yes, maybe not much can be done as far as the footage.

However, because the show was filmed over a couple of nights, I think a lot of us would really love to see the video from those performances.

[SteveMacD]

That's right. Gold Dust Woman, Over My Head, Go Insane, and Gypsy weren't included. A lost opportunity to include on a double vinyl in the least.
Or, at the very least, a deluxe CD set.

Other Ledgies including yourself have pointed out that, unfortunately, the show wasn't filmed in widescreen (what the F were they thinking??) so yes, maybe not much can be done as far as the footage.

It was 1997 :shrug:

That’s one thing I have a hard time being super critical of since HDTV wasn’t really a thing for most consumers in 1997.

[mylittledemon]

It was 1997 :shrug:


Yeah, that's true. But you know, look at something from the 70s like The Last Waltz, or even Rattle and Hum from late 80s... they were in widescreen. But both those releases were technically "movies" so I suppose they're in a different league in terms of budget(s).

[Ulpian]

That's right. Gold Dust Woman, Over My Head, Go Insane, and Gypsy weren't included. A lost opportunity to include on a double vinyl in the least. Other Ledgies including yourself have pointed out that, unfortunately, the show wasn't filmed in widescreen (what the F were they thinking??) so yes, maybe not much can be done as far as the footage.

However, because the show was filmed over a couple of nights, I think a lot of us would really love to see the video from those performances.

Don’t forget Songbird!

I managed to get all of those on CD single B-sides around the time, but really want at least a version of the full Tv concert that I can listen to all the way through.

[moon]

1997!!
Don't worry, El Último Concierto ("The Last Concert") by Soda Stereo (the best rock band from here from Argentina) was released in 1997, and then remastered and "re-released" almost ten years later, and it sounds even better than before, and the image on the newest DVD is better than the original VHS, and was filmed probably with the same technology than The Dance!
So that's a point that makes me keep my hopes, because I know that we can have a good work on video too!
Like with other recent FM releases, would be great to have and expanded deluxe edition, not only with those songs which were not originally included, but also with the Irvine Meadows songs!

[macpai]

I’ve been obsessing on The Dance this weekend. Would loooove a deluxe edition.

[jbrownsjr]

Reading through this thread and all your ideas, I really hope it happens.

Would love to hear Oh Daddy, Songbird and GDW from a different city.

[mylittledemon]

Don’t forget Songbird!


Oh goodness, shame on me! Can't believe I forgot that one *facepalm* :laugh:

[Macfan4life]

Don’t forget Songbird!

I managed to get all of those on CD single B-sides around the time, but really want at least a version of the full Tv concert that I can listen to all the way through.
I love the Songbird from the 1997 Rumours 20th anniversary segment. We don't get the full song but Chris playing the piano by herself in a studio in 1997 sounded so good. I wish somehow that particular version was released. Nothing fake or edited about it. She tells the story of Songbird and plays it. That version has always stuck with me. I wanted the version so much and wanted to play it at my mother's funeral many years ago.

Too much of the Dance is overly polished. I even suspect many parts of the USC band was overdubbed into the live performance. I like raw live music warts and all.

[Villavic]

There are at least 4 songs that were not on the CD, they could stretch it to a 2 CD set. Even though the film wasn't shot in digital, I'm sure there is some amount of remastering that could be done.



I got all those songs, including Songbird, at CD stores in the 90s. They were included in CD singles (Landslide, SS, etc.) from The Dance. I ripped them so I don't have the CDs neither the cd covers anymore, but I found this link. This was one of the CDs I bought:

https://www.discogs.com/es/release/1925097-Fleetwood-Mac-Silver-Springs

[jbrownsjr]

I got all those songs, including Songbird, at CD stores in the 90s. They were included in CD singles (Landslide, SS, etc.) from The Dance. I ripped them so I don't have the CDs neither the cd covers anymore, but I found this link. This was one of the CDs I bought:

https://www.discogs.com/es/release/1925097-Fleetwood-Mac-Silver-Springs

I have those, too. I think they were imports. CAn't remember.

[Macfan4life]

I love The Dance but am I in the minority that thinks this mutated Say You Love Me is a dud? Even then, I did not care for the version and it gets worse over time. Chris's piano/keyboard groove is one of the best parts of the song. Its so darn funky. Having all 3 singers back, I wanted a classic Say You Love Me.

Sorry :(

[jmn3]

I love The Dance but am I in the minority that thinks this mutated Say You Love Me is a dud? Even then, I did not care for the version and it gets worse over time. Chris's piano/keyboard groove is one of the best parts of the song. Its so darn funky. Having all 3 singers back, I wanted a classic Say You Love Me.

Sorry :(

If I’m being honest, 25 years later, it isn’t my favorite part of The Dance and I’m glad later live iterations went more classic. That said, when I was a 16 year old getting exposed to The Dance and Fleetwood Mac mostly through my parents watching it on MTV and playing the album non stop in 1997…it was my absolute favorite song of that entire album/concert. It was the first song on the second side of the cassette and I just thought it was such a cool way to put a “new twist on a very old song!”

[Ulpian]

I love The Dance but am I in the minority that thinks this mutated Say You Love Me is a dud? Even then, I did not care for the version and it gets worse over time. Chris's piano/keyboard groove is one of the best parts of the song. Its so darn funky. Having all 3 singers back, I wanted a classic Say You Love Me.

Sorry :(

I love it. There is something about all five of them being up-front for that performance that worked for that particular concert.

[jbrownsjr]

I love The Dance but am I in the minority that thinks this mutated Say You Love Me is a dud? Even then, I did not care for the version and it gets worse over time. Chris's piano/keyboard groove is one of the best parts of the song. Its so darn funky. Having all 3 singers back, I wanted a classic Say You Love Me.

Sorry :(

I love it. I'm glad they didn't keep doing it in later tours. (They tend to repeat a lot). I agree, it was nice to see them come up stage and act like a unit.

[DownOnRodeo]

Chris's piano/keyboard groove is one of the best parts of the song. Its so darn funky. Having all 3 singers back, I wanted a classic Say You Love Me.

Perhaps even back then Chris was looking to do less heavy lifting on the keys. Not only does she sing lead on SYLM, the busy piano part is iconic, and although she had keys support I assume it was mostly backup parts rather than the current full-karaoke approach.

[macpai]

I love The Dance but am I in the minority that thinks this mutated Say You Love Me is a dud? Even then, I did not care for the version and it gets worse over time. Chris's piano/keyboard groove is one of the best parts of the song. Its so darn funky. Having all 3 singers back, I wanted a classic Say You Love Me.

Sorry :(

I love it too. The “come on Johnny” opening and his response always makes me chuckle, which puts me in a good mood for the version.

[jbrownsjr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJqy-KIFDGo for Macfan

[aleuzzi]

Perhaps even back then Chris was looking to do less heavy lifting on the keys. Not only does she sing lead on SYLM, the busy piano part is iconic, and although she had keys support I assume it was mostly backup parts rather than the current full-karaoke approach.

I think Lindsey made the suggestion, since his banjo was front and center. It was a way to bring all five of them into an intimate combo performance. The album version is one of my favorite songs ever from any artist, but it is one tune that never felt completely “on” live when following the lp arrangement. There was always something crucial missing—and rarely something gained to compensate. When they switched to the Dance version, I felt they had finally found a way of working the song into a live setting.

All this aside, when they played it live in Buffalo in 2016, I loved hearing it in its traditional arrangement.

[SteveMacD]

I felt they had finally found a way of working the song into a live setting.

I thought it worked best as the first song in the set. Whatever shortcomings the live arrangement might have had, it got the crowd going. The opening chords, John’s bass, and the chorus created an energy that’s the perfect way to open a show. It really doesn’t work as well live when it’s buried.

[jbrownsjr]

I thought it worked best as the first song in the set. Whatever shortcomings the live arrangement might have had, it got the crowd going. The opening chords, John’s bass, and the chorus created an energy that’s the perfect way to open a show. It really doesn’t work as well live when it’s buried.

Yes, this. I think Monday Morning had that same affect (with the jam intro).
Crowd gets vamped to death and then lets it o ut.

[Macfan4life]

I thought it worked best as the first song in the set. Whatever shortcomings the live arrangement might have had, it got the crowd going. The opening chords, John’s bass, and the chorus created an energy that’s the perfect way to open a show. It really doesn’t work as well live when it’s buried.
I see what you are saying. Is it because we are familiar with or programmed to receiving it as the opening number in 1987 and 1984? Humans tend to gravitate to things they are familiar with. I sort of agree with you but I saw the Farewell tour in 1990 when Save Me was dropped for Say You Love me in the middle/late part of the set. It worked rather well. IMHO for the song to work live, it needs to be a rocker like the 1980 album version. It needs to be up tempo like its sister song Over My Head on the same album. The album version is fine but in concert it needs the faster pace that they have not played that way since the 1970s.

As I stated earlier, the Dance version is such a dud with the sha la las. Its new twist but a lame twist. But one area I do agree is finding the perfect live version. IMHO, the 1980 live album is my favorite. Something about the faster organ (than other years) and Mick's crisp drumming. Its my favorite even though Stevie's vocals are a bit too strong and ruin it a bit :lol:

[DownOnRodeo]

Another reason may have been that it was the 90s and the "unplugged" treatment was somewhat in vogue. The acoustic piano opening to Rhiannon played into that as well (not to mention Landslide as already mentioned here). An unplugged Gypsy (like that one from the AHI benefit) would have been so good.

[SteveMacD]

I see what you are saying. Is it because we are familiar with or programmed to receiving it as the opening number in 1987 and 1984?
Well, my first show was in 1990 and before "Save Me" was dropped for SYLM. Hell, the first time I saw Fleetwood Mac perform it was with Bekka Bramlett singing it :shocked:

However, when I read about SYLM being an opening song, it just made sense.

IMO, I prefer a song that leads up to "The Chain" than have it open the set. If anything, I'd rather have it be the first song in the encore set, with the band walking back out on a completely dark stage.

[Villavic]

I think Monday Morning was a great first song in the Live album. I loved they released a Live album that year, whatever reasons Mick had. And probably it was one of the two reasons I became a Fleetwood Mac fan. Though maybe I'd have included other/changed few song. Anyway I think was the great way to end a beautiful era (musically).

From Mick's first book:

Back at home, we took two weeks off before going back to the studio for three weeks to record, overdub, and remix tracks for a live album. It was controversial within the band, this record, because I was the only one who wanted to do it. It was not a popular decision. Both John McVie and Lindsey Buckingham thought it was a negative move, but I always bought Greatest Hits albums myself, and I strongly felt there had to be a live document of the band at this point.
.....
Later in the year, we released Fleetwood Mac Live as a double album, and it wasn't a big success. There were many accusations of "We told you so," but I have no regrets.

[jbrownsjr]

I think Monday Morning was a great first song in the Live album. I loved they released a Live album that year, whatever reasons Mick had. And probably it was one of the two reasons I became a Fleetwood Mac fan. Though maybe I'd have included other/changed few song. Anyway I think was the great way to end a beautiful era (musically).

From Mick's first book:

Back at home, we took two weeks off before going back to the studio for three weeks to record, overdub, and remix tracks for a live album. It was controversial within the band, this record, because I was the only one who wanted to do it. It was not a popular decision. Both John McVie and Lindsey Buckingham thought it was a negative move, but I always bought Greatest Hits albums myself, and I strongly felt there had to be a live document of the band at this point.
.....
Later in the year, we released Fleetwood Mac Live as a double album, and it wasn't a big success. There were many accusations of "We told you so," but I have no regrets.

I'm so glad they did. Because later on we got the Deluxe Version. The artwork isn't all that great. It's out of focus and colorless. They may have been going for that, but it doesn't grab you like their other album covers.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm so glad they did. Because later on we got the Deluxe Version. The artwork isn't all that great. It's out of focus and colorless. They may have been going for that, but it doesn't grab you like their other album covers.

Me too. I've always loved it. My memory is crap, but I remember buying it at Kmart, the day it came out, and I couldn't get the cellophane off of it fast enough, when I got out of the store.

[jbrownsjr]

Me too. I've always loved it. My memory is crap, but I remember buying it at Kmart, the day it came out, and I couldn't get the cellophane off of it fast enough, when I got out of the store.

One of the best Rhiannon, ISA, Don't Stop (even tho they fade the solo)

[HomerMcvie]

Don't Stop (even tho they fade the solo)

Uh, no? Isn't that where it stops, and you can faintly hear Christine ask if he broke a string?

[Macfan4life]

The reason many of us prefer the live album is because the tempo of most of the songs is faster than they play today. Over My Head is the extreme example. However, Rhiannon is on fire and probably the fastest they ever played it. Say You Love Me is also played much faster than today. Even Dreams, Dont Stop, and I'm So Afraid was played a nudge faster than today. This is why I am not thrilled about a Dance re-issue. (Yawn). The songs are slower and so studio sounding that it ruins the raw live sound of the 1980 album. Yet another reason the 1970s ruled. LIVE ARENA ROCK

[jbrownsjr]

Uh, no? Isn't that where it stops, and you can faintly hear Christine ask if he broke a string?

You're right, I believe they re-cut that version at the same time and it has a solo. {Meaning it was a rehearsal} But I have the bootleg not the official version. I think it's Paris. Am I right about Paris?

[HomerMcvie]

You're right, I believe they re-cut that version at the same time and it has a solo. {Meaning it was a rehearsal} But I have the bootleg not the official version. I think it's Paris. Am I right about Paris?

Correct. Dreams and Don't Stop were Paris.

[aleuzzi]

Correct. Dreams and Don't Stop were Paris.

I have the band’s version of “The Chain” from that same sound check. It’s damn good.

[Neal]

I see what you are saying. Is it because we are familiar with or programmed to receiving it as the opening number in 1987 and 1984? Humans tend to gravitate to things they are familiar with. I sort of agree with you but I saw the Farewell tour in 1990 when Save Me was dropped for Say You Love me in the middle/late part of the set. It worked rather well. IMHO for the song to work live, it needs to be a rocker like the 1980 album version. It needs to be up tempo like its sister song Over My Head on the same album. The album version is fine but in concert it needs the faster pace that they have not played that way since the 1970s.


I only have maybe 4 or 5 shows from the BTM tour, but they all have "Save Me"; I had no idea it was later dropped!

Classic Mac... drop a new track from the album they're actively supporting (a single, no less!) in favor of a safe oldie. :rolleyes:

[Macfan4life]

I only have maybe 4 or 5 shows from the BTM tour, but they all have "Save Me"; I had no idea it was later dropped!

Classic Mac... drop a new track from the album they're actively supporting (a single, no less!) in favor of a safe oldie. :rolleyes:
It was during the last leg and during the Farewell tour that it was dropped or swapped out with Say You Love Me. The first night back on tour after Christine's father's passing Save Me was still in the set. It was dropped in the last month of the tour. I think since it was the bands supposed ending, they were throwing in some classic stuff over an album they were over promoting. At least they replaced it. Sometimes Stevie or the band just drop songs and the set just gets shorter.

I remember being disappointed Save Me was not performed when I saw them in November 1990. From the videos I have seen online, the song was excellent and was just like the studio version.

[Villavic]

It was during the last leg and during the Farewell tour that it was dropped or swapped out with Say You Love Me. The first night back on tour after Christine's father's passing Save Me was still in the set. It was dropped in the last month of the tour. I think since it was the bands supposed ending, they were throwing in some classic stuff over an album they were over promoting. At least they replaced it. Sometimes Stevie or the band just drop songs and the set just gets shorter.


I always wonder how they make those decisions. Of course, we can suspect that it is Mick's idea, because of his commercial interests, but is the setlist defined democratically? how do they come to an agreement?

[HomerMcvie]

I always wonder how they make those decisions. Of course, we can suspect that it is Mick's idea, because of his commercial interests, but is the setlist defined democratically? how do they come to an agreement?

These days, I would guess that Old I'm Not The Boss tells Irving, then Irving tells them.

[Street_Dreamer]

On a similar note, The Eagles Hell Freezes Over reunion show from 1994 is getting a Blu-Ray release.

[Ulpian]

Is this happening?!

There seems to be some activity on the official social media pages - revamping videos to HD and saying to stay tuned for “what is happening next” re the 25th anniversary.

To be clear, I have low expectations but I did wonder…

:]

[Villavic]

Don't know if I would buy a TD deluxe edition. It would have to include really interesting new material. But those upgraded HD versions of clips in Youtube (though just 3 :( ) are very cool.

[BigAl84]

This is the deluxe set that would be awesome:

1. 2 CD / 4LP remastered audio of the full show (all tracks from the DVD included)

2. Relatively untouched audio from night #1 of recording, I believe most of the released material was from the second night.

3. Remastered audio of the Irvine Meadows show that was recorded for Westwood One radio.

4. DVD with rehearsal footage, band interviews...anything else they might have in the archives.

5. DVD of the original release plus maybe a directors cut version?

A real stretch would be a collection of tracks recorded from the tour. I have no idea how many shows they ever recorded.

I don't know how much stuff actually exists in the vaults, but on the surface it would seem like there is quite a bit to work with for a pretty robust box set.

[Macfan4life]

This is the deluxe set that would be awesome:

1. 2 CD / 4LP remastered audio of the full show (all tracks from the DVD included)

2. Relatively untouched audio from night #1 of recording, I believe most of the released material was from the second night.

3. Remastered audio of the Irvine Meadows show that was recorded for Westwood One radio.

4. DVD with rehearsal footage, band interviews...anything else they might have in the archives.

5. DVD of the original release plus maybe a directors cut version?

A real stretch would be a collection of tracks recorded from the tour. I have no idea how many shows they ever recorded.

I don't know how much stuff actually exists in the vaults, but on the surface it would seem like there is quite a bit to work with for a pretty robust box set.
That video recording of the Dance was just too touched for my tastes. I would take a raw show at some other city any day. Its almost like a video IMHO.
I even believe the brass parts for Don't Stop were piped in. I am not saying the band pretended to play but I suspect the sound was pre-recorded and layered in for that perfect balance of brass vs "live" band.

[HomerMcvie]

That video recording of the Dance was just too touched for my tastes. I would take a raw show at some other city any day. Its almost like a video IMHO.
I even believe the brass parts for Don't Stop were piped in. I am not saying the band pretended to play but I suspect the sound was pre-recorded and layered in for that perfect balance of brass vs "live" band.

I agree. The Dance is the video Tango. Plastique Deluxe!

[jbrownsjr]

I agree. The Dance is the video Tango. Plastique Deluxe!

Plastique Deluxe Emmeline!

[Macfan4life]

Plastique Deluxe Emmeline!
Frontline baby!

[jbrownsjr]

Frontline baby!

Well you held her prisoner
And after all these years
Well as well as you knew her

[Macfan4life]

Well you held her prisoner
And after all these years
Well as well as you knew her
when you hang up that phone......

[jbrownsjr]

when you hang up that phone......

Will Sandy Stewart cease to exist?