Is Hold Me the Mac's most successful single?

[Macfan4life]

People may say Dreams was the Mac's most successful single since it reached #1 for a single week. However, statistics don't reveal it was the most successful song for the Mac. Dreams finished 1977 as the 39th most popular song that year. Hold Me finished as the 31st most popular song in 1982. Hold Me was cock blocked from the #1 spot by Eye of The Tiger (#1) and then by Hurt So Good (#2). Hold Me stayed at #4 for a then record of 7 weeks.

Foreigner had a similar situation with Waiting For A Girl Like You which spent 9 weeks at #2 blocked by Physical. Foreigner had other #1 songs like I want to know what love is but Waiting For A Girl Like You was a bigger hit.

All these stats are based on weeks on the charts. On another note, we all know how brutal the Hold Me video was for the band. They were not getting along. John was drunk and tried to punch the director. Mick was hitting on Stevie's friend. Nicks was high and Christine was late. If you notice the band never appears together as a band in the video. There are separate segments for each member that are then pieced together. Yes, things were that bad.
Anyway here is a chart of Mac's singles on the charts. Interesting that both Say You Love Me and Rhiannon both hit #11 in 1976 yet Say You Love Me was a bigger hit.

Billboard Year-End performances
Song Year-End Position

1976
"Say You Love Me" 53
"Rhiannon" 77

1977
"Dreams" 39
"Don't Stop" 52
"Go Your Own Way" 94

1980
"Sara" 87
"Tusk" 94

1982
"Hold Me" 31

1987
"Little Lies" 51
"Big Love" 81


* If song was not in the top 100 for the year, it is not listed

[cbBen]

The above makes me wonder whether 1982 might have been a relatively weak year.

I see that "Ebony And Ivory" was released that year. What were other big songs from 1982?

It amazes me that even "Gypsy" didn't beat out "Hold Me."

[Macfan4life]

The above makes me wonder whether 1982 might have been a relatively weak year.

I see that "Ebony And Ivory" was released that year. What were other big songs from 1982?

It amazes me that even "Gypsy" didn't beat out "Hold Me."
What do you mean weak year? 1982 like any year was big in music. Huge artists like MJ's Thriller released, Asia was huge, Toto, John Cougar, etc. It was so huge which caused the charts to get unusually clogged. Same reason Gypsy crapped out at #12 (or something). Even Bella Donna was so big it bled into 1982.

I don't understand your point I guess

[Wdm6789]

The above makes me wonder whether 1982 might have been a relatively weak year.

I see that "Ebony And Ivory" was released that year. What were other big songs from 1982?

It amazes me that even "Gypsy" didn't beat out "Hold Me."


While Gypsy is one of the most beautiful songs ever made and quite possibly Fleetwood Mac’s best song ever, I can see why Hold Me did so well in the charts in 1982, it’s a poppy, yacht rocky, catchy tune, despite being very chorus heavy and the chorus only being two words, the song is brilliantly crafted. Gypsy, like most Stevie Nicks songs, was more poetic. Hold Me was the catchy pop song. I am surprised that Gypsy didn’t break the top 10 though, peaking at #12.

[HomerMcvie]

I tell ya, I hear Hold Me in the Goodwills still, A LOT. Pretty amazing, that they regularly rotate a 40yo song.

It's probably my #2(no, not that) song, right behind(yet another pun) Think About Me.

[bwboy]

In terms of longevity, Hold Me has to be pretty low. I know Homer says he hears it a lot still, so maybe it’s a regional thing; in my area, Go Your Own Way is still played often, but I can’t tell you the last time I’ve heard Hold Me on a local radio station. I’ve even heard Got a Hold On Me lately! The Rumours singles, Rhiannon, Little Lies, Everywhere, and occasionally Gypsy, Tusk, and even Sara are FM songs I still hear, but not Hold Me.

[Macfan4life]

When I was in college in 1990 I had a Japanese roommate. I was a loser listening to BTM and OTSOTM while other cool kids had to current stuff. My roommate had over a few Japanese students were enrolled in the English school before they could start classes. Their English was not great. I was playing Greatest Hits and Hold Me came on. I was floored. The girl who could barely speak any English sang the entire song Hold Me in English without missing a word. Her connection to Fleetwood Mac was not Rumours but this song.
Hold Me is an incredible song from the beginnings of one of the coolest piano riffs in music to the cool percussion parts in the end. The guitar solo is fantastic too. Its pure pop greatness and then some. Clearly if the song was released about a month earlier, it could have been a #1 song for several weeks.

The reason you dont hear it on the radio that much is because its almost a lost hit of the 80s. The Mac songs that get played on lamestream radio are usually classic rock stations. They play songs from the White Album and Rumours only. Adult contemporary stations may play Sara and Gypsy. Hold Me really does not fit classic rock and it does not fit adult contemporary that much. Same reason you dont hear Big Love. Rock/classic rock stations wont play it and neither will adult contemporary. If you have an 80s channel you may hear it but its pretty rare.

[HomerMcvie]

I remember when Hold Me was released. Pre internet, we didn't know much about when albums were being released, and the like. I remember riding around in the back of my friend's car, listening to the radio, and every time that piano note intro would come on, I'd SCREAM at everyone to STFU, and CRRRAAAAANNNNNNNNKKKKK ITTTTTTTTTTTT!:lol:

From a production standpoint, it's a very interesting song!

[jwd]

Dreams is their best single. #1, Rumours, Tik Tok. It doesn't get any better than that.

[HomerMcvie]

Dreams is their best single. #1, Rumours, Tik Tok. It doesn't get any better than that.
Nope. GYOW is a way better song.

Da googles says that their top 10 digital downloads are:
1 GYOW
2 The Chain
3 Everywhere
4 Little Lies
5 Dreams
6 Albatross(okay, where do they get these numbers?)
7 Landslide
8 Don't Stop
9 Big Love
10 Songbird

Another page lists GYOW as #1, too.

Think About Me will ALWAYS be my #1.

[jwd]

Nope. GYOW is a way better song.

Da googles says that their top 10 digital downloads are:
1 GYOW
2 The Chain
3 Everywhere
4 Little Lies
5 Dreams
6 Albatross(okay, where do they get these numbers?)
7 Landslide
8 Don't Stop
9 Big Love
10 Songbird

And no "Hold Me"? Not even in the top 10. Doesn't say much for the topic at hand, at least with your criteria.

[DownOnRodeo]

I don't quite understand the chart data cited, but it wouldn't surprise me if Christine had predominately more songs with heavier radio play.

It's no surprise.
No, it's no surprise.

[SteveMacD]

Think About Me will ALWAYS be my #1.

I heard that at Walmart the other day.

[HomerMcvie]

And no "Hold Me"? Not even in the top 10. Doesn't say much for the topic at hand, at least with your criteria.

Take that up with Macfan... I'm an odd duck. I couldn't give two flying f*cks what anyone else likes. #1 in my life is the ONLY chart that matters. I listen to country from the 50's and 60's, much of the time. And Western Swing from the 1930's and 40's.

Yeah, you might not enjoy riding in my car....:lol:

Until I put on Think About Me. Then volume is on 11, and I'm singing at the top of my lungs!:wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

I heard that at Walmart the other day.

It's just the perfekt song to me. The beat. That rocking guitar. Christine and Lindsey singing in unison. Probably my favorite song of all time. I love everything about it.

[aleuzzi]

Those year-end stats MacFan cited tell us a lot about a song’s initial run. In terms of Billboard Chart action, “Hold Me” was huge. I remember it being everywhere in 1982—and through the first half of the 80s. But if we play the long game, songs that ranked a lot less in the year-end stats have become more iconic. GYOW, Little Lies, Rhiannon, Say You Love Me...

Dreams and Don’t Stop never stopped being ubiquitous.

But Hold Me was a monster in its day. It’s still a GREAT pop song.

[Macfan4life]

An easier way to explain it is that Hold Me was in the top 10 longer than Dreams thus making it a bigger hit. Locked at #4 for 7 weeks is not only unusual but insane. Even #1 songs usually dont stay in the top 10 for that long let alone locked in a high spot. No doubt the song dragged Mirage to the #1 spot.

[Macfan4life]

There is a reason why you hear Dreams more than Hold Me today. The album Rumours has sold over 20 million copies and every song whether single or not from that album is heard every day on some radio station.
Hold Me was on a mildly successful album and does not have the classic rock chops that Rumours has. While Mirage is a great album, it is not considered a rock masterpiece like Rumours. If Hold Me was on Rumours, it would still be played like the rest of the Rumours songs.

This thread was just pointing out that Hold Me was technically a more successful single than Dreams. Hold Me was in the top ten for almost 3 months. Dreams was in the top ten about a month. Dreams just had an easier ride to the #1 spot which only lasted 1 week btw.
I am not hating on Dreams, just pointing out a little known fact. I love little known facts ;)

[HomerMcvie]

There is a reason why you hear Dreams more than Hold Me today. The album Rumours has sold over 20 million copies and every song whether single or not from that album is heard every day on some radio station.
Hold Me was on a mildly successful album and does not have the classic rock chops that Rumours has. While Mirage is a great album, it is not considered a rock masterpiece like Rumours. If Hold Me was on Rumours, it would still be played like the rest of the Rumours songs.

This thread was just pointing out that Hold Me was technically a more successful single than Dreams. Hold Me was in the top ten for almost 3 months. Dreams was in the top ten about a month. Dreams just had an easier ride to the #1 spot which only lasted 1 week btw.
I am not hating on Dreams, just pointing out a little known fact. I love little known facts ;)
Well at least you're confident in one thing...that you're always right.:laugh::woohoo::wavey:

[Macfan4life]

Well at least you're confident in one thing...that you're always right.:laugh::woohoo::wavey:
Never question me ;)

This was just pure statistics. But I did give commentary/opinion in the end. No one is right all the time (although i am so close :lol:) I love everyone's opinion on the board. We have very diverse opinions on everything. There are a few posters who spend too much time drooling and worshipping a few poster's comments than giving their own opinion :lol:

I will do ANYTHING for Love but I wont do THAT

:lol:

[elle]

Hold Me is in my top 10, possibly even top 5 Rumours-era FM songs.

it's amazing little pop song, fun and so well crafted. Second Hand News and Hold Me just have everything and beyond a pop song should have, imo.

Dreams is boring, was boring on the album and has been pretty unlistenable live for a long time now. not really sure why Dreams has been even introduced to this discussion. the only fun part of Dreams are ridiculous weather-related lyrics.

[jwd]

There is a reason why you hear Dreams more than Hold Me today. The album Rumours has sold over 20 million copies and every song whether single or not from that album is heard every day on some radio station.
Hold Me was on a mildly successful album and does not have the classic rock chops that Rumours has. While Mirage is a great album, it is not considered a rock masterpiece like Rumours. If Hold Me was on Rumours, it would still be played like the rest of the Rumours songs.

This thread was just pointing out that Hold Me was technically a more successful single than Dreams. Hold Me was in the top ten for almost 3 months. Dreams was in the top ten about a month. Dreams just had an easier ride to the #1 spot which only lasted 1 week btw.
I am not hating on Dreams, just pointing out a little known fact. I love little known facts ;)


That's not facts, that's pure conjecture. If you suggest the success of a song is based on its length of time it spent on the charts, and in just the top 10 at that, you would also have to weigh the strength of the songs it was competing against. Probably a safer and more accurate way to judge success would be sales or how music stands the test of time. I love "Dreams" as much today as I did when I first heard it. Never gets old to me. I also love "Hold Me", but I just disagree that it was Mac's most successful single . It's really hard to gauge the "most successful" single in such a binary way that you have.

Success is a very subjective word.

[jwd]

Hold Me is in my top 10, possibly even top 5 Rumours-era FM songs.

it's amazing little pop song, fun and so well crafted. Second Hand News and Hold Me just have everything and beyond a pop song should have, imo.

Dreams is boring, was boring on the album and has been pretty unlistenable live for a long time now. not really sure why Dreams has been even introduced to this discussion. the only fun part of Dreams are ridiculous weather-related lyrics.

Well damn, I'm really surprised that YOU would wonder that. :lol:

[Street_Dreamer]

I've mentioned this several times before but the deluxe reissue really turned Hold Me into a different song for me. I've always been a fan but it just dazzled with the remix where you could finally hear the vocals and production values like they were meant to be as opposed to the original terrible CD mix.

To answer the question though, I think Dreams holds that title not just because it made it to number one but because for the general public, it seems to be the "standard" that people relate to Fleetwood Mac.

[Macfan4life]

That's not facts, that's pure conjecture. If you suggest the success of a song is based on its length of time it spent on the charts, and in just the top 10 at that, you would also have to weigh the strength of the songs it was competing against. Probably a safer and more accurate way to judge success would be sales or how music stands the test of time. I love "Dreams" as much today as I did when I first heard it. Never gets old to me. I also love "Hold Me", but I just disagree that it was Mac's most successful single . It's really hard to gauge the "most successful" single in such a binary way that you have.

Success is a very subjective word.
You are missing the point. I did not define success. The charts did. I personally disagree with charts all the time. I hate charts. The chart was not of my making. Its actually on the Fleetwood Mac charts page. I just cut and paste. I never had control of any hit list. I never created the list. I just reported it.
Conjecture has nothing to do with it. I mentioned Dreams because it was the Mac's only #1 song and is fairly common to believe that its the Mac's biggest hit, no?

Dont blame me. Blame all the radio DJs across the USA in the 70s and 80s and all the criteria for creating pop radio lists. I am not saying what is the better song, just revealing the statistics. You argument loses water. If you are proud and believe Dreams was a #1 song then you cant discard the same criteria that made Dreams #1 for 1 week and that states Hold Me was a bigger hit with more weeks in the top 10 and ended up higher on the charts in each of their year's end. You cant have it both ways. Your love of Dreams have nothing to do with the actual statistics. Dont blame it on me.....blame it on the countdown :)

Sorry :(

[elle]

To answer the question though, I think Dreams holds that title not just because it made it to number one but because for the general public, it seems to be the "standard" that people relate to Fleetwood Mac.
is that true though?

Dreams became huge last year, bigger than ever before, because of Apodaca.

but the standard that people think of as FM - seems several songs interchangeably hold that title - goes between Go Your Own Way (i've heard from several people who think that's Stevie's song so that tells you a lot about general audiences and standards!), The Chain and Thunder Only Happens that just recently became known as Dreams :p

if you are in the UK, then Everywhere and Songbird come into equation. and Little Lies.

if you are college football fan? USC fan? Tusk.

for SN? usually people identify her with Gold Dust Woman, which was never a single. Landslide.

[jwd]

You are missing the point. I did not define success. The charts did. I personally disagree with charts all the time. I hate charts. The chart was not of my making. Its actually on the Fleetwood Mac charts page. I just cut and paste. I never had control of any hit list. I never created the list. I just reported it.
Conjecture has nothing to do with it. I mentioned Dreams because it was the Mac's only #1 song and is fairly common to believe that its the Mac's biggest hit, no?

Dont blame me. Blame all the radio DJs across the USA in the 70s and 80s and all the criteria for creating pop radio lists. I am not saying what is the better song, just revealing the statistics. You argument loses water. If you are proud and believe Dreams was a #1 song then you cant discard the same criteria that made Dreams #1 for 1 week and that states Hold Me was a bigger hit with more weeks in the top 10 and ended up higher on the charts in each of their year's end. You cant have it both ways. Your love of Dreams have nothing to do with the actual statistics. Dont blame it on me.....blame it on the countdown :)

Sorry :(

Perhaps you should have stated that "Hold Me" had the longest stay in the Top 10 of any FM single. That would be a fact, I guess, I'm trusting your info. It doesn't make it the most "successful" single, unless of course you describe success as how many weeks a single stayed in the Top 10.

My opinion that "Dreams" is the Mac's most "successful" is based on my opinion. It's just a feeling.

Like I said success is a very subjective word.

[jbrownsjr]

Homer, I hear Hold Me all the Time. It's so weird. Sirius plays it constantly. I heard it in Ralph's during Covid 2020, for whatever reason. (That's a grocery market). I keep a radio on for the cats at my place and I hear it on the rock station too. They seem to play the same classic rock songs, however.
Gypsy is a very basic and flat demo ( like Dreams) that Lindsey and Macsters made beautiful. The guitar and harmonies are stunning. That's why live, it falls flat. They can't re-create it because there's not a lot to it. The lead vocal on the album is really good. But, hearing her sing it now is excruciating.
Hold Me Live at Christine's show was fantastic compared to the pretty good version we hear on Mirage Forum Show. The Christine McVie band did a great job!

[HomerMcvie]

Never question me ;)



I question you, daily! :mad::mad::mad:



:laugh::wavey::xoxo:

[bwboy]

Other possible reasons Hold Me doesn’t get a lot of respect, so to speak, could be that:

- it hasn’t aged all that well.
- it’s very, very poppy. A lot of FM songs are, but they don’t sound quite so annoying. Compare You Make Loving Fun to Hold Me. Both are very poppy but YMLF is much simpler and catchier.
- the video is not very memorable, especially compared to Gypsy. As a FM fan, I like the video a lot, but a casual fan probably couldn’t even recall the video.
- my sister dislikes FM. She says their music is “whiny” LOL. Even though I disagree with her, I can kind of see that, and Hold Me has a whiny sound to it.
- lyrically, I can see why Tusk, Rhiannon, Dreams, Go Your Own Way, and others are remembered more often. Even Little Lies is a more interesting song, lyrically. There is a gravitas to them that Hold Me lacks.

[aleuzzi]

Other possible reasons Hold Me doesn’t get a lot of respect, so to speak, could be that:

- it hasn’t aged all that well.
- it’s very, very poppy. A lot of FM songs are, but they don’t sound quite so annoying. Compare You Make Loving Fun to Hold Me. Both are very poppy but YMLF is much simpler and catchier.
- the video is not very memorable, especially compared to Gypsy. As a FM fan, I like the video a lot, but a casual fan probably couldn’t even recall the video.
- my sister dislikes FM. She says their music is “whiny” LOL. Even though I disagree with her, I can kind of see that, and Hold Me has a whiny sound to it.
- lyrically, I can see why Tusk, Rhiannon, Dreams, Go Your Own Way, and others are remembered more often. Even Little Lies is a more interesting song, lyrically. There is a gravitas to them that Hold Me lacks.

It hasn’t aged well? According to whom? This is not a widely accepted fact. And the lyrics to Hold Me are quite clever and sly. Robert Christgau sees the song as the standard by which the rest of Mirage can be judged: “After seven years, you'd think they'd weary of romantic tension-and-release. But despite the occasional I'm-scareds and can't-go-backs, you'd never know how much passion they've already put behind them--they write about infatuation and its aftermaths like twenty-year-olds. This is obviously a commercial advantage, and I wouldn't want to be immune to its truth. But pop music offers endless variations on that truth, and since only the most graceful are worth pondering I have to say that there isn't another "Hold Me" here. B+“

Hold Me is a classic.

[aleuzzi]

it's amazing little pop song, fun and so well crafted. Second Hand News and Hold Me just have everything and beyond a pop song should have, imo.

You know it!

[elle]

There is a gravitas to them that Hold Me lacks.
:laugh:
recently i looked up the lyrics of one of the SN songs everyone's been quoting to me. the lyrics consisted of a single interesting great sounding phrase with tons of meaningless gibberish filled all around it. a reaction from a huge Stevie fan was "how dare you!" followed by something like - you just described lyrics of almost every single SN song. :nod::angel:

Hold Me is a complete package - some interesting turns of phrase, catchy melody, interplay of voices, fantastic arrangement / music, all that tightly packaged from the start to finish.

this is the first time ever i heard Hold Me described as "annoying" and i can't wrap my head around it. :shrug:

why some songs stay popular while others do not? besides the initial quality, pure luck can have lots to do with it. Don't Stop might be one of the Rumours era FM most widely known songs (that we forgot to list in this thread!). why? because it was used in presidential campaign which brought it back in the spotlight to stay.

sometimes it's deliberate marketing other times happy accident or pure serendipity.

[SteveMacD]

Perhaps you should have stated that "Hold Me" had the longest stay in the Top 10 of any FM single. That would be a fact, I guess, I'm trusting your info. It doesn't make it the most "successful" single, unless of course you describe success as how many weeks a single stayed in the Top 10.

My opinion that "Dreams" is the Mac's most "successful" is based on my opinion. It's just a feeling.

Like I said success is a very subjective word.

Well, if we’re using opinion on what makes a successful Fleetwood Mac song, my top five are The Green Manalishi, Talkin’ To My Heart, Miles Away, Say You Love Me, and Love Shines.

[jwd]

Well, if we’re using opinion on what makes a successful Fleetwood Mac song, my top five are The Green Manalishi, Talkin’ To My Heart, Miles Away, Say You Love Me, and Love Shines.

Well good for you Steve. Now maybe based on your opinion you could explain to us why you believe those are the most "successful" Mac songs. Successful, ugh.

[HomerMcvie]

Other possible reasons Hold Me doesn’t get a lot of respect, so to speak, could be that:

- it hasn’t aged all that well.
- it’s very, very poppy. A lot of FM songs are, but they don’t sound quite so annoying. Compare You Make Loving Fun to Hold Me. Both are very poppy but YMLF is much simpler and catchier.
- the video is not very memorable, especially compared to Gypsy. As a FM fan, I like the video a lot, but a casual fan probably couldn’t even recall the video.
- my sister dislikes FM. She says their music is “whiny” LOL. Even though I disagree with her, I can kind of see that, and Hold Me has a whiny sound to it.
- lyrically, I can see why Tusk, Rhiannon, Dreams, Go Your Own Way, and others are remembered more often. Even Little Lies is a more interesting song, lyrically. There is a gravitas to them that Hold Me lacks.

You're on you own with this, man. I've always tried to pigeon hole you as a Chiffonhead, but you seem a little too level headed for that, so I've tried to place you in the FM camp. But you lost me with this comment.

WHINY? Hasn't aged well? What could be worse than Stevie and her Nasal Symphony? Now THAT'S whiny and annoying.

Now just admit that you are wrong, and we can all have wine.

[Macfan4life]

Perhaps you should have stated that "Hold Me" had the longest stay in the Top 10 of any FM single. That would be a fact, I guess, I'm trusting your info. It doesn't make it the most "successful" single, unless of course you describe success as how many weeks a single stayed in the Top 10.

My opinion that "Dreams" is the Mac's most "successful" is based on my opinion. It's just a feeling.

Like I said success is a very subjective word.
Again, its not "my" info. Doesn't a song which spent as much as 3 times longer in the top 10 make it more successful? When you add that it spent over 2 months locked at #4 alone is quite the oddity for any chart. However the end of year statistics make it even more revealing. Hold Me was a bigger song in 1982 than Dreams was in 1977 (statistics on chart). Even when #1 songs were falling from the top spot, Hold Me was holding steady and not moving. I agree Dreams is heard more today on the radio but it does not take away the chart information on Hold Me. Everything from Rumours is played more than any other Mac album since its from one of the biggest albums of all time.
Like I said, the statistics speak for themselves. There are definitely bragging rights in having a #1 song. But lets say Dreams was at #2 for 7 weeks, would it not have been a bigger hit than #1 for 1 week? The end of year statistics would say yes. Just shedding some light on the casual acceptance Dreams was the Mac's biggest hit. It was their only #1 but that did not make it their biggest "hit."
It very similar to when people thought Stevie Nicks was the lead singer in Fleetwood Mac because she had all the "hits" but then statistics show Christine has more hits than Stevie with the band. Its fun to pull back the curtain now and then ;)

[bwboy]

I was just offering some ideas about why Hold Me may not be as well remembered today as some of FM’s other songs, even though back in 1982, it performed so well on Billboard. Those ideas aren’t necessarily how I personally feel.

Another reason might be that FM only performed it live for one tour. And even when the Mirage tour was released to the public, they left Hold Me off the concert. That’s pretty blatant right there about how FM may have felt about the song, because they left the lead single off their last album (to that point) off the concert, a song that performed very well on Billboard. Since the song was never captured live (except on bootlegs), the song had less exposure than, say, GYOW.

[Villavic]

What do you mean weak year? 1982 like any year was big in music.

I agree with that. Feels like it was the real beginning of the 80s decade.

[HomerMcvie]

I was just offering some ideas about why Hold Me may not be as well remembered today as some of FM’s other songs, even though back in 1982, it performed so well on Billboard. Those ideas aren’t necessarily how I personally feel.

Another reason might be that FM only performed it live for one tour. And even when the Mirage tour was released to the public, they left Hold Me off the concert. That’s pretty blatant right there about how FM may have felt about the song, because they left the lead single off their last album (to that point) off the concert, a song that performed very well on Billboard. Since the song was never captured live (except on bootlegs), the song had less exposure than, say, GYOW.
They left it off(IMO) because it was so overproduced, that it was hard to replicate, live. So is Gypsy, and that's why it's always sucked, live.

[jwd]

https://americansongwriter.com/fleetwood-macs-10-greatest-hits/

So, American Songwriter put together a list of Fleetwood Mac’s 10 greatest hits. Compiled based on data from Billboard charts, streaming analytics, record sales and more, the following songs are the definitive greatest hits of Fleetwood Mac


David(Homer), I believe your information is sourced from 2013. This is more up to date.

[aleuzzi]

https://americansongwriter.com/fleetwood-macs-10-greatest-hits/

So, American Songwriter put together a list of Fleetwood Mac’s 10 greatest hits. Compiled based on data from Billboard charts, streaming analytics, record sales and more, the following songs are the definitive greatest hits of Fleetwood Mac


David(Homer), I believe your information is sourced from 2013. This is more up to date.

I would not have guessed that Tusk and Big Love are “greater” (in charts, sales, radio play, etc) than Say You Love Me, which was a monster hit. But hey, Landslide’s there and it wasn’t properly released as a single until the late 90s.

[aleuzzi]

Perhaps you should have stated that "Hold Me" had the longest stay in the Top 10 of any FM single. That would be a fact, I guess, I'm trusting your info. It doesn't make it the most "successful" single, unless of course you describe success as how many weeks a single stayed in the Top 10.

My opinion that "Dreams" is the Mac's most "successful" is based on my opinion. It's just a feeling.

Like I said success is a very subjective word.

You can trust MacFan’s info on the duration of weeks in the top ten—it exceeds any other FM single, and it probably would have even gone higher if it weren’t for a couple of iconic number 1s.

But then, Dreams had some seriously stiff competition, too…

[elle]

https://americansongwriter.com/fleetwood-macs-10-greatest-hits/

So, American Songwriter put together a list of Fleetwood Mac’s 10 greatest hits. Compiled based on data from Billboard charts, streaming analytics, record sales and more, the following songs are the definitive greatest hits of Fleetwood Mac


David(Homer), I believe your information is sourced from 2013. This is more up to date.

after 2020 and Nathan Apodaca Dreams shoot to #1 on all these lists. before that it was not even in classic rock 500 best songs of all times. now it's somewhere around #15. tells you how much lucky thing like someone's viral video can change the "staying power" order between songs where the newest ones are 34 years old.

2013 vs 2021 for songs over 34 years old? what can be the difference? :cool::laugh: in 5 more years order will completely change again.

[Macfan4life]

Here is a list of 1982's biggest hits. Notable mentions
#100 Edge of 17 (even though it did not crack the top 10)
#36 Stevie Nicks and Don Henley Leather and Lace
#31 Hold Me Fleetwood Mac

#30 Who Can It Be Now - Men at work OMG this was so HUGE and a #1 song and Hold Me is right behind it


Clearly these hits are based on weeks on charts and not chart positions. For example Roberta Flack's Making Love only hit #13 but is #46 at year's end. It was just hanging out in the top 20 forever.

#8 Hurt So Good - John Cougar
#9 Abracadabra - Steve Millier band
Are the songs that cock blocked Hold Me from the top spot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1982

[HomerMcvie]

#30 Who Can It Be Now - Men at work OMG this was so HUGE and a #1 song and Hold Me is right behind it


And they opened for FM on the Mirage tour. At least at my stop(Market Square Arena - Indy). I became a pretty big fan for a few years.

[jbrownsjr]

You're on you own with this, man. I've always tried to pigeon hole you as a Chiffonhead, but you seem a little too level headed for that, so I've tried to place you in the FM camp. But you lost me with this comment.

WHINY? Hasn't aged well? What could be worse than Stevie and her Nasal Symphony? Now THAT'S whiny and annoying.

Now just admit that you are wrong, and we can all have wine.

It's aged well!! Prince is on it. And Christine saw him coming out of the studio across the hall for a few seconds and they are the best of friends. I am shocked Christine didn't speak at his eulogy. They were so close.

[HomerMcvie]

It's aged well!! Prince is on it. And Christine saw him coming out of the studio across the hall for a few seconds and they are the best of friends. I am shocked Christine didn't speak at his eulogy. They were so close.

Christine aborted Prince's baby, for god's sake!!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Christine aborted Prince's baby, for god's sake!!!!

Did you see the Youtube of Prince's mgr? Where Prince basically told her to keep Stevie away from him because goat was obnoxious, entitled, and hitting on him. I think the mgr. had to dance with Prince so Stevie would see he was occupied.

[Macfan4life]

Christine aborted Prince's baby, for god's sake!!!!
Little Lies only was a hit because Lindsey left the band

[HomerMcvie]

Did you see the Youtube of Prince's mgr? Where Prince basically told her to keep Stevie away from him because goat was obnoxious, entitled, and hitting on him. I think the mgr. had to dance with Prince so Stevie would see he was occupied.
But she's a legend!!! Just ask her!

[jwd]

I would not have guessed that Tusk and Big Love are “greater” (in charts, sales, radio play, etc) than Say You Love Me, which was a monster hit. But hey, Landslide’s there and it wasn’t properly released as a single until the late 90s.

Big Love was the biggest surprise to me. I'm guessing TITN being a hugely popular album had some impact. Being reinvented on The Dance and Lindsey continuing to play it in his solo shows more than likely made it more "successful".

Landslide didn't surprise me at all. I'd say it's one of the most recognizable FM songs. Although it was only released as a FM single in the 90s, it became hugely popular with the Dixie Chicks cover and let's not forget that Budweiser commercial. ;)

[jwd]

You can trust MacFan’s info on the duration of weeks in the top ten—it exceeds any other FM single, and it probably would have even gone higher if it weren’t for a couple of iconic number 1s.

But then, Dreams had some seriously stiff competition, too…

Oh yeah, I trust it. I remember it being a solid single and its' staying power was amazing. It's a great song.

[jwd]

after 2020 and Nathan Apodaca Dreams shoot to #1 on all these lists. before that it was not even in classic rock 500 best songs of all times. now it's somewhere around #15. tells you how much lucky thing like someone's viral video can change the "staying power" order between songs where the newest ones are 34 years old.

2013 vs 2021 for songs over 34 years old? what can be the difference? :cool::laugh: in 5 more years order will completely change again.

Nah, it's not going to completely change. And I believe AS's list is fairly accurate. At least concede that Hold Me wasn't the most successful FM single in 2013, 2021, or will it be in 5 yrs from now. Unless of course you think a Tik Tok video or the like will miraculously catapult it into the Top 10, much less #1. :lol:

[SteveMacD]

Little Lies only was a hit because Lindsey left the band

Yeah, they totally didn’t play up Lindsey leaving in the video or anything. (https://youtu.be/uCGD9dT12C0) :rolleyes:

[SteveMacD]

Big Love was the biggest surprise to me. I'm guessing TITN being a hugely popular album had some impact. Being reinvented on The Dance and Lindsey continuing to play it in his solo shows more than likely made it more "successful".

Point of order: The version of “Big Love” that appeared on The Dance was what he opened his 1993 shows with.

[jwd]

Point of order: The version of “Big Love” that appeared on The Dance was what he opened his 1993 shows with.

Ah, ok. thanks Steve. I didn't know that. :wavey:

[elle]

At least concede that Hold Me wasn't the most successful FM single in 2013, 2021, or will it be in 5 yrs from now. Unless of course you think a Tik Tok video or the like will miraculously catapult it into the Top 10, much less #1. :lol:

haha of course it can! look what happened to Dreams and it's so much better song than Dreams.

of course it doesn't have idiotic weather lyrics so maybe not :]

[aleuzzi]

Little Lies only was a hit because Lindsey left the band

Welcome to the Room Sara wasn’t a hit because it was too excellent for radio.

[HomerMcvie]

Welcome to the Room Sara wasn’t a hit because it was too excellent for radio.

Wow. Just wow.

[Macfan4life]

Welcome to the Room Sara wasn’t a hit because it was too excellent for radio.
Second Time Around was originally slated as the first single from BTM but the band feared it would be too successful and did not want a Rumours 2.

[jbrownsjr]

Welcome to the Room Sara wasn’t a hit because it was too excellent for radio.

When I See You Again was on the verge, but that damn Christine ruined everything once again!

[aleuzzi]

When I See You Again was on the verge, but that damn Christine ruined everything once again!

Lindsey wanted to produce TITN with just Stevie, no Christine, because he wanted to recapture the inescapable magic of his musical soulmate.

[aleuzzi]

Wow. Just wow.

It’s true. Ask Bob Dylan.

[jbrownsjr]

Lindsey wanted to produce TITN with just Stevie, no Christine, because he wanted to recapture the inescapable magic of his musical soulmate.

In actual fact, he wanted to record and produce the album at Betty Ford so he could have the angst in their voices.

[jbrownsjr]

Second Time Around was originally slated as the first single from BTM but the band feared it would be too successful and did not want a Rumours 2.

Can you imagine if goat was the boss back then? Forcing them to release that piece of do do as the single. :laugh:

[David]

It’s interesting. I didn’t know this about the chart data. “Hold Me” has a big platform in the culture. But a few others rival it easily. I would say there are about ten Fleetwood Mac songs that still make waves — on the radio, in movies, on TV, among other artists, etc.

Thoughts?

[jbrownsjr]

It’s interesting. I didn’t know this about the chart data. “Hold Me” has a big platform in the culture. But a few others rival it easily. I would say there are about ten Fleetwood Mac songs that still make waves — on the radio, in movies, on TV, among other artists, etc.

Thoughts?

I hear this one quite often. YMLF, Gypsy, Don't Stop, SYLM, GYOW are heard a lot more.

[aleuzzi]

It’s interesting. I didn’t know this about the chart data. “Hold Me” has a big platform in the culture. But a few others rival it easily. I would say there are about ten Fleetwood Mac songs that still make waves — on the radio, in movies, on TV, among other artists, etc.

Thoughts?

The songs I hear the most are Dreams, GYOW, Little Lies, The Chain, Everywhere, Gypsy, and—believe it or not—Over My Head.

But Hold Me, Don’t Stop, Rhiannon, Landslide, GDW, and even Songbird are not unusual.

I used to hear SYLM, Big Love, and Sara more than I do.

[bombaysaffires]

Did you see the Youtube of Prince's mgr? Where Prince basically told her to keep Stevie away from him because goat was obnoxious, entitled, and hitting on him. I think the mgr. had to dance with Prince so Stevie would see he was occupied.

to be strictly accurate, she was his recording engineer.:nod:

[HomerMcvie]

to be strictly accurate, she was his recording engineer.:nod:

Whatevs.

So the gist of it was that Prince wanted Old I'm Not The Boss to stay TF away from him? Man, she was relatively still in her prime, when the whole world still wanted her.

Okay, to be fair, he's a little crazy. I'm friends with a member of his band, and other insiders, who've told me some crazy stories. So I guess they were/are both crazy.

[bombaysaffires]

Whatevs.

So the gist of it was that Prince wanted Old I'm Not The Boss to stay TF away from him? Man, she was relatively still in her prime, when the whole world still wanted her.

Okay, to be fair, he's a little crazy. I'm friends with a member of his band, and other insiders, who've told me some crazy stories. So I guess they were/are both crazy.

Some people like accuracy. Some don't. Whatevs.

Watching her tell the story, the engineer sort of acts out as well as tells how Stevie was flouncing around, flicking her skirts, and she states that Stevie was commando under her skirts, and it wigged both her and Prince way out. Stevie was apparently trying to entice Prince with the goods. :eek:

In a sort of similar way Andy Summers tells about The Police playing in LA and Stevie had gotten herself backstage and then positioned herself to be watching (him, it seems like, though he is very discreet in how he tells the story) from the side of the stage. He def implies a hook up, but he's too discrete about it.

She was clearly "legendary" in more ways than one.

The story of how far she'd changed from being discreet to flaunting it for me was the Dave Stewart story about how he showed up in the studio where she was recording and Jimmy told her she didn't know Dave, that he was HIS friend, and she said in front of everyone, "What do you mean? I slept with him the other night"

[jbrownsjr]

Some people like accuracy. Some don't. Whatevs.

Watching her tell the story, the engineer sort of acts out as well as tells how Stevie was flouncing around, flicking her skirts, and she states that Stevie was commando under her skirts, and it wigged both her and Prince way out. Stevie was apparently trying to entice Prince with the goods. :eek:

In a sort of similar way Andy Summers tells about The Police playing in LA and Stevie had gotten herself backstage and then positioned herself to be watching (him, it seems like, though he is very discreet in how he tells the story) from the side of the stage. He def implies a hook up, but he's too discrete about it.

She was clearly "legendary" in more ways than one.

The story of how far she'd changed from being discreet to flaunting it for me was the Dave Stewart story about how he showed up in the studio where she was recording and Jimmy told her she didn't know Dave, that he was HIS friend, and she said in front of everyone, "What do you mean? I slept with him the other night"

... and there's some things you don't need to know... lolol :D

[HomerMcvie]

Some people like accuracy. Some don't. Whatevs.

Watching her tell the story, the engineer sort of acts out as well as tells how Stevie was flouncing around, flicking her skirts, and she states that Stevie was commando under her skirts, and it wigged both her and Prince way out. Stevie was apparently trying to entice Prince with the goods. :eek:

In a sort of similar way Andy Summers tells about The Police playing in LA and Stevie had gotten herself backstage and then positioned herself to be watching (him, it seems like, though he is very discreet in how he tells the story) from the side of the stage. He def implies a hook up, but he's too discrete about it.

She was clearly "legendary" in more ways than one.

The story of how far she'd changed from being discreet to flaunting it for me was the Dave Stewart story about how he showed up in the studio where she was recording and Jimmy told her she didn't know Dave, that he was HIS friend, and she said in front of everyone, "What do you mean? I slept with him the other night"
Wow. Just wow.

And we get scolded for sl...... shaming her.

Buncha blow makes horny, too. :lol: But wow. Now we know why $he is a LEGEND.

Back then, odometers only went to 100k miles...

[jwd]

Hearing Dreams on Pandora. Magnificent song! The Mac at its' best!

[HomerMcvie]

Some people like accuracy. Some don't. Whatevs.

Watching her tell the story, the engineer sort of acts out as well as tells how Stevie was flouncing around, flicking her skirts, and she states that Stevie was commando under her skirts, and it wigged both her and Prince way out. Stevie was apparently trying to entice Prince with the goods. :eek:

In a sort of similar way Andy Summers tells about The Police playing in LA and Stevie had gotten herself backstage and then positioned herself to be watching (him, it seems like, though he is very discreet in how he tells the story) from the side of the stage. He def implies a hook up, but he's too discrete about it.

She was clearly "legendary" in more ways than one.

The story of how far she'd changed from being discreet to flaunting it for me was the Dave Stewart story about how he showed up in the studio where she was recording and Jimmy told her she didn't know Dave, that he was HIS friend, and she said in front of everyone, "What do you mean? I slept with him the other night"

Btw- I screen shot this entire post, for future reference! :woohoo:

[BombaySapphire3]

I just want to know how a thread about whether or not Hold Me was Fleetwood Mac's biggest hit devolved into La Nicks flashing her battle worn business ..ewww.:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I just want to know how a thread about whether or not Hold Me was Fleetwood Mac's biggest hit devolved into La Nicks flashing her battle worn business ..ewww.:laugh:

Battle worn business. I'm sitting here having a beer laughing out loud, and people are looking at me now.
Thanks! :p

You know, after the Great Ledge Implosion of 2007, there were a bunch of offshoot boards from here. One of those was called Threadjackers. Because of the above...

[SpyNote]

While Gypsy is one of the most beautiful songs ever made and quite possibly Fleetwood Mac’s best song ever, I can see why Hold Me did so well in the charts in 1982, it’s a poppy, yacht rocky, catchy tune, despite being very chorus heavy and the chorus only being two words, the song is brilliantly crafted. Gypsy, like most Stevie Nicks songs, was more poetic. Hold Me was the catchy pop song. I am surprised that Gypsy didn’t break the top 10 though, peaking at #12.

I used to listen to America's Top 40 with Casey Kasem every Sunday morning, and of course, I was waiting to hear if "Gypsy" had made it into the Top 10. But it "tumbled" to #26 or something like that, and I was DEVASTATED. I think I might have even missed school the next day. :laugh:

[michelej1]

Maybe Stevie actually had a body suit on underneath and the engineer mistook it.

She is a dancer.

[jbrownsjr]

So yeah.... Hold Me was a HUGE hit back when I used to run through sprinklers as a kid. I would hear it come out of the radio we had blaring in the yard.

[jwd]

I just want to know how a thread about whether or not Hold Me was Fleetwood Mac's biggest hit devolved into La Nicks flashing her battle worn business ..ewww.:laugh:

Because THAT really was the biggest hit of all! :] Like she said in her RRHOF speech, "that's just how it was" when referencing her moving in with Jimmy Iovine rather quickly.

Sorry Stevie

[jbrownsjr]

Because THAT really was the biggest hit of all! :] Like she said in her RRHOF speech, "that's just how it was" when referencing her moving in with Jimmy Iovine rather quickly.

Sorry Stevie

Haha!! :laugh::wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

We need to keep "battle worn business" going for a while.:lol:

[jcalzaretta]

Dreams was most streamed song in the world in 2021. 44 years after its release. By far their most successful. Billboard charts alone don't tell the whole story.

[HomerMcvie]

Dreams was most streamed song in the world in 2021. 44 years after its release. By far their most successful. Billboard charts alone don't tell the whole story.
I hear GYOW FAR MORE on the radio than Dreams.

[Macfan4life]

Dreams was most streamed song in the world in 2021. 44 years after its release. By far their most successful. Billboard charts alone don't tell the whole story.
You are missing the purpose of the thread. Yes Dreams is downloaded more and sold more copies and went to #1, Dreams is played more today blah blah blah

Biggest hit in the year of release shows Hold Me dominated the charts more than Dreams

[bwboy]

You are missing the purpose of the thread. Yes Dreams is downloaded more and sold more copies and went to #1, Dreams is played more today blah blah blah

Biggest hit in the year of release shows Hold Me dominated the charts more than Dreams

I don’t think they missed the point of the thread, Manfan. I think what they were saying was that, in terms of Billboards rankings, Hold Me may have been the most successful FM single THEN, but it isn’t their most successful single now. History is one of the factors I would use, along with current airplay, which songs are played when introducing the band, or clips played during interviews. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a clip of Hold Me played during interviews with the band- instead, we get GYOW, Dreams, Little Lies, Landslide, Don’t Stop, but never Hold Me. If Dreams was really the most streamed song of 2021, I would say that is definitely a factor when asking “is Hold Me the Mac’s most successful single.” Maybe if the title of the thread was “WAS Hold Me the Mac’s most successful single,” then we’d have a different answer.

[Macfan4life]

I don’t think they missed the point of the thread, Manfan. I think what they were saying was that, in terms of Billboards rankings, Hold Me may have been the most successful FM single THEN, but it isn’t their most successful single now. History is one of the factors I would use, along with current airplay, which songs are played when introducing the band, or clips played during interviews. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a clip of Hold Me played during interviews with the band- instead, we get GYOW, Dreams, Little Lies, Landslide, Don’t Stop, but never Hold Me. If Dreams was really the most streamed song of 2021, I would say that is definitely a factor when asking “is Hold Me the Mac’s most successful single.” Maybe if the title of the thread was “WAS Hold Me the Mac’s most successful single,” then we’d have a different answer.
Are you trolling me? Did you read the title of the thread? Your last question was the title of the thread. I said, "IS Hold Me the Mac's most successful single" Your question suggestion is "WAS Hold Me the Mac's most successful single." Can we agree BOTH mean and convey the same thing?

Regardless of downloads and current commercials, Dreams is on and part of one of the most successful albums in history. Casual people know that is Fleetwood Mac. Hold Me had not even been performed by the band live (since Mirage) until 2017's Buck/Vie tour and then the Mac a year later for a few shows. Mirage is probably the 5's least selling album even though it hit #1. I am not trying to persuade anyone that Dreams is not more popular or known than Hold Me.
I am providing statistics that show in the year of its release, Hold Me was a bigger hit than Dreams was in 1977. Thats it. All this rewriting history and adding current stuff does not take away that Hold Me was a bigger hit in 1982 than Dreams was in 1977. Thats it.

Another interesting statistic is Bella Donna sold better in 1983 than Wild Heart did in 1983. Wild Heart peaked at #5 holding its own with Thriller and Flashdance but then fell like a rock. Bella Donna lurked as a bottom feeder the entire year and finished on Billboard several notches higher than Wild Heart.

[bwboy]

Are you trolling me? Did you read the title of the thread? Your last question was the title of the thread. I said, "IS Hold Me the Mac's most successful single" Your question suggestion is "WAS Hold Me the Mac's most successful single." Can we agree BOTH mean and convey the same thing?

Regardless of downloads and current commercials, Dreams is on and part of one of the most successful albums in history. Casual people know that is Fleetwood Mac. Hold Me had not even been performed by the band live until 2017's Buck/Vie tour and then the Mac a year later for a few shows. Mirage is probably the 5's least selling album even though it hit #1. I am not trying to persuade anyone that Dreams is not more popular or known than Hold Me.
I am providing statistics that show in the year of its release, Hold Me was a bigger hit than Dreams was in 1977. Thats it. All this rewriting history and adding current stuff does not take away that Hold Me was a bigger hit in 1982 than Dreams was in 1977. Thats it.

Another interesting statistic is Bella Donna sold better in 1983 than Wild Heart did in 1983. Wild Heart peaked at #5 holding its own with Thriller and Flashdance but then fell like a rock. Bella Donna lurked as a bottom feeder the entire year and finished on Billboard several notches higher than Wild Heart.

I was not trying to troll you, I was just elaborating on the point I thought jcalzaretta was making.

I’m also not trolling you when I say that FM did perform Hold Me during their Mirage tour in 1982.

[Macfan4life]

I was not trying to troll you, I was just elaborating on the point I thought jcalzaretta was making.

I’m also not trolling you when I say that FM did perform Hold Me during their Mirage tour in 1982.
Yes I am aware of that, I meant to say since 1982 it was not performed (until those dates). I will go back and edit.

I get the points that you and the others are making but none of them count for end of year rankings 1977 vs 1982. People always will say it was the Mac's only #1 and biggest hit. Not so fast. That's only partially right. Its also like when people say Stevie had all the biggest hits with the band because of her Dreams, and Rhiannon, and Sara. Then people have to be reminded that its actually Chris who had the most hits with the band and even though Say You Love Me and Rhiannon were at #11, Say You Love me ended 1976 a much bigger hit than Rhiannon. It ended 1976 over 20 spots higher in the top 100 hits of 1976.

[Macfan4life]

One last interesting tid bit. All the Mirage singles were bigger hits than their chart positions. Hold Me stayed at #4 for 7 weeks. Gypsy stayed at #12 for 3 weeks. Love In Store stayed at #22 for 3 weeks.
Its common for a song to stall at a chart position for a week before falling. 2 weeks is less common. 3 or more weeks is fairly rare. These stalling weeks prolonged their stay on the charts.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm sure you remember Macfan. They played the literal crap out of Hold Me and Got A Hold On Me. MTV was poppin'. I still hear the song on Sirius a lot. Also, randomly in dept. stores and markets.

She played it on her 1984 tour.

Tours
1982, 1984(solo), 2017, (BuckVie) 2018 (Fakewood)

Got great crowd response as it's very well known.

[Macfan4life]

I'm sure you remember Macfan. They played the literal crap out of Hold Me and Got A Hold On Me. MTV was poppin'. I still hear the song on Sirius a lot. Also, randomly in dept. stores and markets.

She played it on her 1984 tour.

Tours
1982, 1984(solo), 2017, (BuckVie) 2018 (Fakewood)

Got great crowd response as it's very well known.
I lived in the sticks (not really but apparently) because we did not get MTV until late 1986 :eek:

[bwboy]

Tours
1982, 1984(solo), 2017, (BuckVie) 2018 (Fakewood)

Got great crowd response as it's very well known.

LOL my ticket said Fleetwood Mac for the 2019 tour.

Imagine a band with Christine McVie, John McVie, Mick Fleetwood, and Stevie Nicks being called Fakewood Mac. Wonder what you call the touring lineup of Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Bekka Bramlett, Billy Burnette, and Dave Mason? Now there’s the REAL Fleetwood Mac right there LOL

[HomerMcvie]

LOL my ticket said Fleetwood Mac for the 2019 tour.

Imagine a band with Christine McVie, John McVie, Mick Fleetwood, and Stevie Nicks being called Fakewood Mac. Wonder what you call the touring lineup of Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Bekka Bramlett, Billy Burnette, and Dave Mason? Now there’s the REAL Fleetwood Mac right there LOL
I think you just dislike anything that doesn't honor your queen, $tevie.

It is Fakewood Mac. Old I'm Not The Boss got their creative genius FIRED, then replaced him with people who had zero business being in the band.

Fakewood Mac.

[bwboy]

I think you just dislike anything that doesn't honor your queen, $tevie.

It is Fakewood Mac. Old I'm Not The Boss got their creative genius FIRED, then replaced him with people who had zero business being in the band.

Fakewood Mac.

LOL nah, only Lindsey Loons (the equivalent of Stevie fans that are called Chiffonheads) call them Fakewood Mac. Fleetwood Mac is Fleetwood Mac whether Lindsey quits right before a tour or is fired right before a tour. They’re Fleetwood Mac whether Stevie quits the band or Christine quits the band.

[HomerMcvie]

LOL nah, only Lindsey Loons (the equivalent of Stevie fans that are called Chiffonheads) call them Fakewood Mac. Fleetwood Mac is Fleetwood Mac whether Lindsey quits right before a tour or is fired right before a tour. They’re Fleetwood Mac whether Stevie quits the band or Christine quits the band.

I accepted the Time Fleetwood Mac. The old goat getting key members fired changed everything.

Old I'm Not The Boss RUINED the ending of the band of my life. F*ck her.

[mitzo]

LOL nah, only Lindsey Loons (the equivalent of Stevie fans that are called Chiffonheads) call them Fakewood Mac. Fleetwood Mac is Fleetwood Mac whether Lindsey quits right before a tour or is fired right before a tour. They’re Fleetwood Mac whether Stevie quits the band or Christine quits the band.

I take full credit for first using the term "Lindsey Loons" here. I was really onto something.

[UnwindedDreams]

I think you just dislike anything that doesn't honor your queen, $tevie.

It is Fakewood Mac. Old I'm Not The Boss got their creative genius FIRED, then replaced him with people who had zero business being in the band.

Fakewood Mac.
I think bwboy wanted the firing of Lindsey and probably dislikes Lindsey so I understand where he's coming from.

I think it says a lot that the current FM lineup didn't rerecord FM classics for a cd like Blondie, KISS, and Journey did with their current lineups.

Will Mick do another book in a few years where he says 2018 was not right like he said about the Time lineup in his 2014 book? What would he say about the 2018 tour? "We had a blast doing some pre Stevie FM songs for some shows and some cover songs"

What did Neil and Mike do after the tour, they went to record. Stevie's the one who says right after a tour she takes a week or 2 off then gets to work while everyone else in FM goes to Hawaii or another vacation.

Where was the excitement from this lineup to go and record? Lockdown wasn't until mid/late March of 2020.

Was it because Greg Kurstin wasn't available?:laugh: Poor Dave Stewart got demoted to just playing a small accoutrement on Show Them the Way.

[HomerMcvie]

I take full credit for first using the term "Lindsey Loons" here. I was really onto something.

Go back to your Lindsey dart board.

[bwboy]

I think bwboy wanted the firing of Lindsey and probably dislikes Lindsey so I understand where he's coming from.

I think it says a lot that the current FM lineup didn't rerecord FM classics for a cd like Blondie, KISS, and Journey did with their current lineups.

I’m one of the few people here who saw Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey live in 2019. I’m a big Lindsey fan. I even bought most of his albums when they came out. I was freaked out when he quit the band right before their tour in 1987 because that would have been the first time I could have seen them live, but Billy and Rick did a fantastic job and kept the band going. But after Time came out, as much as I wanted to love the new line up, I just couldn’t. But I didn’t whine and moan about “my band” being ruined and that they should have retired and that it was Fakewood Mac without my favorite member, etc. And then the inauguration and the Dance came, and I saw Lindsey with FM several times after that. No, I didn’t want Lindsey to be fired at all, but as long as 2 of the 3 songwriters are present, I’m going to remain a fan of the group.

I also think it would have been smart if Fleetwood Mac had rerecorded several of the songs they were going to sing live, such as Oh Well, Storms, Black Magic Woman, Isn’t It Midnight, Hypnotized, and Man of the World and released it before the tour, but once Mike and Neil joined, there wasn’t enough time and besides, no one probably thought about it, they were so focused on the tour.

[bwboy]

I take full credit for first using the term "Lindsey Loons" here. I was really onto something.

LOL it is pretty darn catchy! I was torn between Lindsey Loons and Lindsey Loonies, but both are accurate.

[bwboy]

Go back to your Lindsey dart board.

Now that’s a good way to settle this debate once and for all- a good old fashioned game of darts! Mitzo can use their Lindsey dartboard, and you can use your Stevie dartboard!

[UnwindedDreams]

I’m one of the few people here who saw Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey live in 2019. I’m a big Lindsey fan. I even bought most of his albums when they came out. I was freaked out when he quit the band right before their tour in 1987 because that would have been the first time I could have seen them live, but Billy and Rick did a fantastic job and kept the band going. But after Time came out, as much as I wanted to love the new line up, I just couldn’t. But I didn’t whine and moan about “my band” being ruined and that they should have retired and that it was Fakewood Mac without my favorite member, etc. And then the inauguration and the Dance came, and I saw Lindsey with FM several times after that. No, I didn’t want Lindsey to be fired at all, but as long as 2 of the 3 songwriters are present, I’m going to remain a fan of the group.
I hear you and I respect this all. For me, it's how it happened and when it happened. As you know, Time lineup didn't happen because of a firing.
I'm a Stevie fan most of all so if this Neil/Mike lineup made new music and played a new song during the tour like the Time lineup did, I'd give my blessing but they didn't. If Stevie just wanted to do "hit" tours for the rest of FM's life, she should've asked for Lindsey to be fired in 2014. We had all that hope for art to come out of Chris' return.

I also think it would have been smart if Fleetwood Mac had rerecorded several of the songs they were going to sing live, such as Oh Well, Storms, Black Magic Woman, Isn’t It Midnight, Hypnotized, and Man of the World and released it before the tour, but once Mike and Neil joined, there wasn’t enough time and besides, no one probably thought about it, they were so focused on the tour.
Respectfully bwboy, that's not a good reason and I don't believe that's true. Mike and Neil started rehearsing with the band in March of 2018. The tour started in Oct. 2018. It was possible to rerecord old songs including Second Hand News, Sara, and Oh Diane as well as even 2 new songs. Stevie probably didn't want to do it because it wouldn't "sell."

[HomerMcvie]

LOL it is pretty darn catchy! I was torn between Lindsey Loons and Lindsey Loonies, but both are accurate.

I'm not a Lindsey Loon. He's not my favorite member. But I know right from wrong, and am not afraid to throw a flag on a play that was terribly wrong. Old Goat f*cked up and got him fired, and the band allowed it, out of greed $he's become a terrible person. And so have they.

Have Mitzo order you one of her Lindsey dart boards. Maybe you can start a league.

[bwboy]

Respectfully bwboy, that's not a good reason and I don't believe that's true. Mike and Neil started rehearsing with the band in March of 2018. The tour started in Oct. 2018. It was possible to rerecord old songs including Second Hand News, Sara, and Oh Diane as well as even 2 new songs. Stevie probably didn't want to do it because it wouldn't "sell."

Thanks for the correction, I knew the tour started in October but I guess I’d forgotten or didn’t realize they started rehearsals in March. Yes, they definitely could have rerecorded classic songs during that time- the biggest advantage would have been exposing the audience ahead of time to the deeper cuts they ended up dropping, such as Hypnotized and Storms. I really wish they had kept those songs in the set for the whole tour.

In 2019, I saw Fleetwood Mac in the first week of November and Lindsey the night after Thanksgiving, and both concerts were unbelievable! Just fantastic! I would have seen Lindsey this tour except for Covid and he didn’t play anywhere near me this time, unfortunately.

[UnwindedDreams]

Thanks for the correction, I knew the tour started in October but I guess I’d forgotten or didn’t realize they started rehearsals in March. Yes, they definitely could have rerecorded classic songs during that time- the biggest advantage would have been exposing the audience ahead of time to the deeper cuts they ended up dropping, such as Hypnotized and Storms. I really wish they had kept those songs in the set for the whole tour.

I also think they figure the original recordings are perfect as they are. But, I would've liked a rerecording. I do think the album tracks you mentioned were on the 50 Years compilation that accompanied the tour. I know Man of the World, Black Magic, and Tell Me were on it.
Also, they would've had to do some adjustment to Stevie and Chris' voices in the rerecording!

[jbrownsjr]

LOL my ticket said Fleetwood Mac for the 2019 tour.

Imagine a band with Christine McVie, John McVie, Mick Fleetwood, and Stevie Nicks being called Fakewood Mac. Wonder what you call the touring lineup of Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Bekka Bramlett, Billy Burnette, and Dave Mason? Now there’s the REAL Fleetwood Mac right there LOL

Of course your ticket said Fleetwood Mac. You gotta sell that cover band!! :rolleyes:

The other line-ups you speak of wrote and recorded music together. Just my stance. If Fakewood makes music, I'll reconsider my stance.


btw, Lindsey loon is awesome!! Was that really you, Mitzo?

[vivfox]

I take full credit for first using the term "Lindsey Loons" here. I was really onto something.


LOL it is pretty darn catchy! I was torn between Lindsey Loons and Lindsey Loonies, but both are accurate.


In an interview last year, Stevie called them, "Lindsey Trolls.":laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

In an interview last year, Stevie called them, "Lindsey Trolls.":laugh:

Haha!! I love that too. But Lindsey Loons wins!!

[elle]

Haha!! I love that too. But Lindsey Loons wins!!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loon
loon noun (1)

\ ˈlün \
Definition of loon (Entry 1 of 2)
1: LOUT, IDLER
2chiefly Scotland : BOY
3a: a crazy person
b: SIMPLETON
loon noun (2)

Definition of loon (Entry 2 of 2)
: any of several large birds (genus Gavia of the family Gaviidae) of Holarctic regions that feed on fish by diving and have their legs placed far back under the body for optimal locomotion underwater

Noun (2)



Did you know?
There are a number of theories about the origin of loon as it refers to a crazy person, its most common current meaning. One is that it comes from loony, meaning "crazy." But based on currently available evidence, loony is a late 19th-century alteration of lunatic that didn't come into use until decades after the meaning of loon in question. (It's still possible that loony influenced the development and spread of this meaning of loon.) Another guess is that this loon is from the avian loon, inspired either by the bird's maniacal cry or its displays to distract predators, such as skittering over water with its neck crooked. This is certainly possible, and is the origin story favored by some. But the story our dictionaries favor is a bit more quotidian: the current use of loon developed from earlier uses, primarily in Scottish and other northern dialects of British English, of loon to refer to a lout (an awkward, brutish person) or idler (someone who is idle, lazy, or inactive). While that loon, which is from Middle English loun, never spread to British English more broadly, immigrants from the regions where it was used had a significant influence on American English, and it's not far-fetched to posit that their loon developed into the distinctly American use of the word to refer to daffy people.

[sue]

Or ..”loon pants”.. short for balloon pants.
In the early 70s they were an even wider version of bell bottoms..
Loved by hippies
(Often in velvet)…

[jbrownsjr]

Or ..”loon pants”.. short for balloon pants.
In the early 70s they were an even wider version of bell bottoms..
Loved by hippies
(Often in velvet)…

Bell loon blues!