Something going on ??

[sue]

I’ve just read an article where Lindsey says…” I don’t think Stevie ever got over me”
What.!!!???
Why is he coming out with this….there is something going on behind the scenes to get the Famous Five back together.
I know he is promoting his new work, but good grief.
His comment made me gasp with surprise..

[michelej1]

I don’t think it indicates any plan’s afoot. Just out-of-control behavior from him to get headlines.

It made Stevie seem crazy to lather on like this for decades and now he’s doing what she always did, not realizing it’s an even less attractive look coming from him. He does not realize he can’t get away with what she did. It only backfires on him

[sue]

I don’t think it indicates any plan’s afoot. Just out-of-control behavior from him to get headlines.

It made Stevie seem crazy to lather on like this for decades and now he’s doing what she always did, not realizing it’s an even less attractive look coming from him. He does not realize he can’t get away with what she did. It only backfires on him

You are right, it is out of control behaviour…which is so weird, coming from him.

[Storms123]

You are right, it is out of control behaviour…which is so weird, coming from him.

I don't think he's out of control, but he's no longer being muzzled by FM's management, so he's free to speak his opinions. Whether you agree with what he's saying or not, it's kind of refreshing. Christine and Mick tried it recently, and they had to retract/refine their comments.

I've always thought neither Lindsey nor Stevie got over each other. I think their behavior over the years and most recently have proven that out. I don't think it's right to throw it back in Stevie's face that he met the love of his life in his later years, or to throw the choices she's made back at her, but let's not forget, the Queen of Contradiction has also said if she wasn't hooked on klonopin all those years, she could have gotten married/had kids.

[HomerMcvie]

I’ve just read an article where Lindsey says…” I don’t think Stevie ever got over me”
What.!!!???
Why is he coming out with this….there is something going on behind the scenes to get the Famous Five back together.
I know he is promoting his new work, but good grief.
His comment made me gasp with surprise..

I DO think it bugs the sh*t out of her having to witness him with a loving family. $he's lonely and miserable, and hates it that he found the happiness that $he couldn't.

$he'll never get over THAT.

[vivfox]

Rihanna never spoke about the infamous Chris Brown incident until a couple of years later when she went on Oprah to promote her newest album at that time.This is what creative people always do. They wait until they have something new to promote and then air their past dirty laundry. Lindsey's main goal is to let the Fleetwood Mac fan base know he is finally releasing new music. Personally I don't see how this will help him with sales but I certainly am enjoying the soap opera effect.

[Macfan4life]

I dont think its out of control behavior. I think he's just being honest. Yes some of these statements make headlines but you really have a hard time wrapping your head around Stevie's behavior lately.
I thought his statement about her being jealous of his movement on stage, being able to still jump around was more inflammatory than the still in love line. Stevie herself codes this from time to time. Still writing songs about him i.e. Blue Denim into the 1990s.

[elle]

I dont think its out of control behavior. I think he's just being honest. Yes some of these statements make headlines but you really have a hard time wrapping your head around Stevie's behavior lately.
I thought his statement about her being jealous of his movement on stage, being able to still jump around was more inflammatory than the still in love line. Stevie herself codes this from time to time. Still writing songs about him i.e. Blue Denim into the 1990s.

or 2000s. Thrown Down. she claims he is in love with her again and wants her back in Thrown Down. he was a newly married man with 2 babies at the time. yet she got only awwwws for that, not how inappropriate that is for her to claim he's still / again in love with her.

i don't know her solo songs, and maybe there she is different, but from FM songs, other than in Silver Springs, she comes across as very guarded - she usually claims in her songs how she's the object of his love and affection, not that she loves him. as that article points out, she successfully over decades built the picture of herself being object of everyone's longing, love and desire.

[michelej1]

or 2000s. Thrown Down. she claims he is in love with her again and wants her back in Thrown Down. he was a newly married man with 2 babies at the time. yet she got only awwwws for that, not how inappropriate that is for her to claim he's still / again in love with her.



But Lindsey’s solo album was full of songs suggesting he was in love with her too and that his son’s conception changed things. So I’m not sure why anyone would criticize Stevie for the content of her songs then, when he was casting away dreams.

I don’t think that things he is saying are necessarily untrue. But when she said them it made her sound conceited, delusional and desperate. Now it is making him sound like that, to me. Even if he is being truthful (or thinks he is) I wish he would stop. I have a double standard. I admit it. Take plastic surgery. Yes I think it looks bad on women, but I think it looks even worse on men. I judge Wayne Newton’s face more harshly then I judge Cher’s. That’s how I feel about Lindsey claiming Stevie never got over him. Looks worse when he does it. Frankly, I wish he would tell me why Ken Caillat hates his guts so much. I wouldn’t mind an interview about why KEN is so jealous of him.

I used to cringe when Stevie would say things like Don Henley bought her flowers and LB got so jealous about it.

Do I believe Stevie got mad about his movements on stage? Yes I do. I have thought it since my first SYW show. He doesn’t need to say it though. We can talk about it among ourselves.

I feel the main thing is that Lindsey thought he had as much say in the band as she did. He thought he could argue back and force compromise when she didn’t agree. It doesn’t matter whether it was a tour schedule, a double album, a track list, an EP . . . She got tired of arguing with him about it. She got tired of the negotiations. She felt that if she wanted something her way, it should happen her way, without further discussion.

When you feel that way, you should be a solo artist. However she felt that because she is the main draw in Fleetwood Mac, she should make the decisions with her manager and the band should agree. And Lindsey would not stop resisting.

Also, let’s keep in mind that Lindsey also has a bunch of things to say about Mrs. Buckingham, if you give him a chance. He’s a fruitcake.I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love fruit cake, but most people don’t.

[HomerMcvie]

I feel the main thing is that Lindsey thought he had as much say in the band as she did. He thought he could argue back and force compromise when she didn’t agree. It doesn’t matter whether it was a tour schedule, a double album, a track list, an EP . . . She got tired of arguing with him about it. She got tired of the negotiations. She felt that if she wanted something her way, it should happen her way, without further discussion.

When you feel that way, you should be a solo artist. However she felt that because she is the main draw in Fleetwood Mac, she should make the decisions with her manager and the band should agree. And Lindsey would not stop resisting.

Also, let’s keep in mind that Lindsey also has a bunch of things to say about Mrs. Buckingham, if you give him a chance. He’s a fruitcake.I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love fruit cake, but most people don’t.
And I'll bet my left *** that her conniving old goat mind began clicking, the SECOND Christine came back. When it was just her and Lindsey, she HAD to have him in the band. Christine back, singing 7 or 8 of her hits, suddenly Lindsey was dispensable. "I can finally have MY way....F*CK HIM! I'll show him!" Thus ruining the band's legacy....

Is Lindsey a bit out there. Oh yeah.
Was he always pushing her buttons? Oh yeah.
Did he love pushing her buttons? Oh yeah.
Does he think she's a loon? Oh yeah.
Do I love him for all of the above? Oh yeah.


She's SO F*CKING ANNOYING. I LOVE him for feeling(I presume) about her, exactly the same way I do!

[elle]

But Lindsey’s solo album was full of songs suggesting he was in love with her too and that his son’s conception changed things. So I’m not sure why anyone would criticize Stevie for the content of her songs then, when he was casting away dreams.
see i was thinking about this when i was writing about the content of that song. but - Stevie point blank said that those lines were about him. did Lindsey ever say that Cast Away Dreams was about SN? i know 90% of fans / shippers think that, and there are several discussions here on TL where i was analyzing it completely differently from most others - and it is entirely possible that i'm oblivious to what everyone else is seeing. i'm sure we can find these analyses and discussions, and most were disagreeing with me. Cast away dreams i always understood as casting away his dreams of a solo commercial success. he was dreaming about it with Cradle, and then with original GOS. and sitting on new music hoping for some good promotion or something. by the time UTS came around he decided pushing out new music was more important than trying to make it commercially successful. you all always told me - no he was dreaming of a renewed relationship with Stevie. last time he said anything about possible renewed relationship with her was during the dance interviews, right? Cast Away Drams was written when he was married, and he talked about writing it one night and singing it over the phone to his wife, telling her she was right about something they argued about. that's not point blank saying what the song is about. like with Thrown Down "the song is about YOU!". of course the interpretation is that thrown down is about the time of the Dance, before he was married. my whole point was that she is saying HE fell for HER again, not that they both fell for each other or that SHE fell again.

i always took less romantic and more practical way to interpret their bs. soap opera is nice to sell to fans, but underneath all that is a toxic rivalry and a naked wish for fame and success. much more cynical and less pretty than romantic doomed love that somehow can never be even though they were free and around each other for decades, no?

I feel the main thing is that Lindsey thought he had as much say in the band as she did. He thought he could argue back and force compromise when she didn’t agree. It doesn’t matter whether it was a tour schedule, a double album, a track list, an EP . . . She got tired of arguing with him about it. She got tired of the negotiations. She felt that if she wanted something her way, it should happen her way, without further discussion.

When you feel that way, you should be a solo artist. However she felt that because she is the main draw in Fleetwood Mac, she should make the decisions with her manager and the band should agree. And Lindsey would not stop resisting.
yes! that's what it was. he was still thinking he has a say in Mac, that it's still a democracy. that's why everyone else folded like a house of cards once she and Azoff managed to oust him. they knew what Azoff does. and she had him on her side. Stevie/Azoff joint recent statements made it completely clear, to anyone who was still confused - the 2 of them ousted Lindsey. and it's very possible that Stevie and Azoff would have Fleetwood Mac with just Stevie and bunch of other people if Mick or Christine or John tried to say no. but they should have said no anyway, instead of just "shut up and take the money." Steve here used to tell us over and over that Azoff will never get over that statement. and he was probably right.

[michelej1]

I don’t know if he has explicitly said anything other than that UTS, the song, was about her. But it all sounds like it is about her anyway. That’s fine for the song.It doesn’t really matter.

He should just stop talking about her feelings in interviews. No one wants to hear a man talking about how some lonely woman is pining for him.

Do I think she was pining sometimes? Yes, I do, but he should just look at her like, “I know you want me” (as he does in the Dance dvd when she is staring at him while singing) and he doesn’t need to say anything. If he is feeling chatty, he can tell us about John McVie’s marriage. I don’t know much about John’s life and I’d appreciate the tea.

[DownOnRodeo]

Stevie/Azoff joint recent statements made it completely clear, to anyone who was still confused - the 2 of them ousted Lindsey. and it's very possible that Stevie and Azoff would have Fleetwood Mac with just Stevie and bunch of other people if Mick or Christine or John tried to say no. but they should have said no anyway, instead of just "shut up and take the money." Steve here used to tell us over and over that Azoff will never get over that statement. and he was probably right.

And for what it's worth, Lindsey was content to hold his tongue during that interview, but Christine egged him on to shy away from euphemisms; the same Christine who went on to waltz during Stevie's MusiCares acceptance oration while Lindsey merely stood on watching with presumably a wry but constrained grin.

By all rights Christine should have been fired by Azoff instead of or as well as Lindsey, the only difference being that Stevie can mother and control the relatively dependent Old Christine but can't get her way with Lindsey.

[elle]

He should just stop talking about her feelings in interviews. No one wants to hear a man talking about how some lonely woman is pining for him.
oh i completely agree, don't get me wrong.

just couldn't resist to put in my 0.02 on CAD. :angel:

And for what it's worth, Lindsey was content to hold his tongue during that interview, but Christine egged him on to shy away from euphemisms; the same Christine who went on to waltz during Stevie's MusiCares acceptance oration while Lindsey merely stood on watching with presumably a wry but constrained grin.

By all rights Christine should have been fired by Azoff instead of or as well as Lindsey, the only difference being that Stevie can mother and control the relatively dependent Old Christine but can't get her way with Lindsey.
right?? :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

And for what it's worth, Lindsey was content to hold his tongue during that interview, but Christine egged him on to shy away from euphemisms; the same Christine who went on to waltz during Stevie's MusiCares acceptance oration while Lindsey merely stood on watching with presumably a wry but constrained grin.

By all rights Christine should have been fired by Azoff instead of or as well as Lindsey, the only difference being that Stevie can mother and control the relatively dependent Old Christine but can't get her way with Lindsey.

THIS.
Lindsey would never(until apparently, the ~now~ future) allow her control. That's why she had him fired. It's goat's way or da highway!
"I'm not the boss". Yeah bitch, you are...

[jbrownsjr]

I don’t know if he has explicitly said anything other than that UTS, the song, was about her. But it all sounds like it is about her anyway. That’s fine for the song.It doesn’t really matter.

He should just stop talking about her feelings in interviews. No one wants to hear a man talking about how some lonely woman is pining for him.

Do I think she was pining sometimes? Yes, I do, but he should just look at her like, “I know you want me” (as he does in the Dance dvd when she is staring at him while singing) and he doesn’t need to say anything. If he is feeling chatty, he can tell us about John McVie’s marriage. I don’t know much about John’s life and I’d appreciate the tea.

He stared at Christine a lot in the Dance, too! :xoxo:

[michelej1]

He stared at Christine a lot in the Dance, too! :xoxo:

He was staring at Christine every time he was standing back from his mic and not singing.

[DownOnRodeo]

He was staring at Christine every time he was standing back from his mic and not singing.

Checking to see she was still at the keys and hadn't taken off to England in the band's jet.

[HomerMcvie]

Checking to see she was still at the keys and hadn't taken off to England in the band's jet.

She could fly back during a show now, and it wouldn't matter, since she only fake plays now.:distress:

[rhiannondontgo]

or 2000s. Thrown Down. she claims he is in love with her again and wants her back in Thrown Down. he was a newly married man with 2 babies at the time. yet she got only awwwws for that, not how inappropriate that is for her to claim he's still / again in love with her.

Thrown Down wasn’t written in the 2000’s when he was married with kids though. It was written in 1997 during whatever weirdness was happening on The Dance tour. And he certainly was also participating in whatever that was. Kissing her head in that interview, telling rolling stone they aren’t getting back together yet but nothing’s impossible, that weird kiss during the Landover show, etc etc.

We could be critical of her choosing to release that song while he was married with kids, but it definitely wasn’t written in or about that present time so it’s not really an insult to the family he had by then. She wasn’t saying he’s in love with her in 2003, just that he fell for her again in 1997.

Fall From Grace was also written in the 1997 time period. I think the only song I can think of off hand that was written about him after he was married with a family was You May Be The One, which isn’t really about him pining for her as much as it’s about her being sad that they just weren’t meant to be (though it does mention Lindsey saying it took “years of regret and pain” to get past it). And I think My Heart is probably about Lindsey as well and may have been written post-1997 (not sure though since it was originally recorded in the TISL sessions that Fall From Grace and Thrown Down were recorded in, and both of those were 97). That one’s actually more so her pining for him though.

[michelej1]

Her songs are hardly disrespectful to his family. There is artistic license for songs. Even when she is legitimately trying to give us a meaning for some of them there are at least three or four inspirations for a song or a verse in those songs. Stevie has outright insulted Lindsey plenty in interviews without my having to search for insults within her song lyrics, especially when I read Lindsey’s own lyrics.

[UnwindedDreams]

Thrown Down wasn’t written in the 2000’s when he was married with kids though. It was written in 1997 during whatever weirdness was happening on The Dance tour. And he certainly was also participating in whatever that was. Kissing her head in that interview, telling rolling stone they aren’t getting back together yet but nothing’s impossible, that weird kiss during the Landover show, etc etc.

We could be critical of her choosing to release that song while he was married with kids, but it definitely wasn’t written in or about that present time so it’s not really an insult to the family he had by then. She wasn’t saying he’s in love with her in 2003, just that he fell for her again in 1997.

Fall From Grace was also written in the 1997 time period. I think the only song I can think of off hand that was written about him after he was married with a family was You May Be The One, which isn’t really about him pining for her as much as it’s about her being sad that they just weren’t meant to be (though it does mention Lindsey saying it took “years of regret and pain” to get past it). And I think My Heart is probably about Lindsey as well and may have been written post-1997 (not sure though since it was originally recorded in the TISL sessions that Fall From Grace and Thrown Down were recorded in, and both of those were 97). That one’s actually more so her pining for him though.
Thank you for all of this. It's fascinating!
I never knew about You May Be the One. I had figured Stevie's last songs written about Lindsey were done in 1996-2000.

[rhiannondontgo]

Thank you for all of this. It's fascinating!
I never knew about You May Be the One. I had figured Stevie's last songs written about Lindsey were done in 1996-2000.

Yeah it’s definitely about him but I have no idea when it was written or what era it’s set in. Since it includes them kissing and fighting on a beach, I can’t imagine it being set in any recent time. Probably is about something that happened a long time ago. So, you could probably throw that out too if we’re trying to find a song about him that takes place post-marriage and kids.

[UnwindedDreams]

Is "I Don't Care" about Lindsey?

[Ulpian]

Thrown Down wasn’t written in the 2000’s when he was married with kids though. It was written in 1997 during whatever weirdness was happening on The Dance tour. And he certainly was also participating in whatever that was. Kissing her head in that interview, telling rolling stone they aren’t getting back together yet but nothing’s impossible, that weird kiss during the Landover show, etc etc.

We could be critical of her choosing to release that song while he was married with kids, but it definitely wasn’t written in or about that present time so it’s not really an insult to the family he had by then. She wasn’t saying he’s in love with her in 2003, just that he fell for her again in 1997.

Fall From Grace was also written in the 1997 time period. I think the only song I can think of off hand that was written about him after he was married with a family was You May Be The One, which isn’t really about him pining for her as much as it’s about her being sad that they just weren’t meant to be (though it does mention Lindsey saying it took “years of regret and pain” to get past it). And I think My Heart is probably about Lindsey as well and may have been written post-1997 (not sure though since it was originally recorded in the TISL sessions that Fall From Grace and Thrown Down were recorded in, and both of those were 97). That one’s actually more so her pining for him though.


That’s interesting. I have always assumed that Fall From Grace was about Christine walking out in 1997. (“It’s not enough that you saaaay you love me…”)

[elle]

I think the only song I can think of off hand that was written about him after he was married with a family was You May Be The One, which isn’t really about him pining for her as much as it’s about her being sad that they just weren’t meant to be (though it does mention Lindsey saying it took “years of regret and pain” to get past it). And I think My Heart is probably about Lindsey as well and may have been written post-1997 (not sure though since it was originally recorded in the TISL sessions that Fall From Grace and Thrown Down were recorded in, and both of those were 97). That one’s actually more so her pining for him though.
thanks for this, good to hear that some of the songs have a different / more healthy premise, telling what the songwriter is feeling, instead of projecting the feelings on someone else.

didn't Dave Stewart write the music for You May Be The One? i actually heard and liked that song, musically.

[rhiannondontgo]

Is "I Don't Care" about Lindsey?
I don’t know if she’s ever said who that one’s about.


That’s interesting. I have always assumed that Fall From Grace was about Christine walking out in 1997. (“It’s not enough that you saaaay you love me…”)
Maybe some parts could possibly be about the whole The Dance tour in general, but Stevie repeatedly said most of it is about Lindsey and that he knows it and has heard it. I believe FFG, Thrown Down, and Love Changes were all written around the same time and all were about her and Lindsey in 1997.
The “say you love me” thing is interesting though because I’ve noticed her bringing seemingly unrelated FM references into other song lyrics, be it consciously or subconsciously. For example in You May Be The One she has those lines “He says ‘I’m so afraid’” / “tell me another lie” which seem pretty intentional. She also uses the phrase “mystery to me” in that same song but that one’s probably a total coincidence.


didn't Dave Stewart write the music for You May Be The One? i actually heard and liked that song, musically.
Yep. You May Be The One was a poem in her journal. Dave liked it and helped her put music to it.

[bombaysaffires]

I don't know if the early parts of You May Be The One are about the time during The Dance or about the making of the SYW album.. the bit about "you may cry the tears/but the tears aren't really for me" could be one of their let's-get-honest convos during the Dance time or that section in the DR doc where they are alone in the studio and he gets teary talking to her about how much making the album means to him and how he sees it as a chance to make up for things in the past etc..

"the kiss/right out there in the universe" seems to be about the onstage kiss. Or the RS interview kiss... both during The Dance time. "you may take my hand/you who demand so much" makes me think of them holding hands as they walk out onstage on the DR tour (which was clearly shown in the DR doc ... maybe they held hands walking out onstage during The Dance tour)

The ending bit about "I hear the islands calling/I hear angry words/Flying across the ocean/like some seabirds, never stopping" is about after they finished SYW and she went off to Hawaii as did Mick, and LB was still in LA finishing mixing etc and there were fights about the running order and final number of songs.

This is one of the songs she has said is all about him and he knows it's about him. Just like Thrown Down. I have never heard her say that FFG was about him or that he knows this (though the lyrics could well be).

[rhiannondontgo]

I don't know if the early parts of You May Be The One are about the time during The Dance or about the making of the SYW album.. the bit about "you may cry the tears/but the tears aren't really for me" could be one of their let's-get-honest convos during the Dance time or that section in the DR doc where they are alone in the studio and he gets teary talking to her about how much making the album means to him and how he sees it as a chance to make up for things in the past etc..

"the kiss/right out there in the universe" seems to be about the onstage kiss. Or the RS interview kiss... both during The Dance time. "you may take my hand/you who demand so much" makes me think of them holding hands as they walk out onstage on the DR tour (which was clearly shown in the DR doc ... maybe they held hands walking out onstage during The Dance tour)

This is one of my favorite things about SN’s writing. All the lines that mean something specific, often said in a more poetic way, and you just have to listen line by line trying to figure out what it all means and put the story together. I don’t always love all her songs or all her vocals in her older years, but I’ll never tire of the story telling aspect. It really is fun to put it all together like a puzzle and figure out exactly what she means. Lindsey’s writing is often the same way. I listen to him less often but when I do, I’m doing the same thing. Trying to understand what he’s talking about and read between the lines until the story starts making sense.

This is one of the songs she has said is all about him and he knows it's about him. Just like Thrown Down. I have never heard her say that FFG was about him or that he knows this (though the lyrics could well be).

It was her interview w/ Jim Ladd in the mid 2000s where she said that stuff about FFG being all LB: “Fall From Grace was a formal full-on poem…you know ‘maybe I worked this hard just to make sure you survive’… I wrote that poem about Lindsey and Lindsey knows that and he doesn’t care. He loves being inspirational and he is and I am to him. So we laugh about that. So I write these really, really heavy poems. I think I wrote most of that when we were out on the road on The Dance.”

[David]

And then I suppose there’s the “Sara” type of song, with several different people — friends, lovers, family — floating around in various places, in various epochs, a stanza for this, a stanza for that. It’s very nonspecific, unlike something like “Destiny Rules,” which seems to describe a person and a string of events, all very closely tied.

[bombaysaffires]

And then I suppose there’s the “Sara” type of song, with several different people — friends, lovers, family — floating around in various places, in various epochs, a stanza for this, a stanza for that. It’s very nonspecific, unlike something like “Destiny Rules,” which seems to describe a person and a string of events, all very closely tied.

Destiny Rules is about Hernan (or mostly...we know she often mixes in random stuff). The whole "6 weeks in a foreign country" etc of the 2nd verse is about them going to Chile for 6 wks after they finished recording Tusk (where she wrote the song Bella Donna inspired, she says, by his mother and her story). I forget if he's the one who broke up with his fiancee to be with her. In any event she dumped him before the Tusk tour on the pretext that it's too hard to maintain a relationship while on the road.

[bwboy]

Destiny Rules is about Hernan (or mostly...we know she often mixes in random stuff). In any event she dumped him before the Tusk tour on the pretext that it's too hard to maintain a relationship while on the road.

I’m curious as to why you used the word pretext.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey's comments, to me, seem like the kinds of things he's talked to his fans about over the past fifteen or so years.

However, he made the colossal mistake of talking about that with the press.

Stevie responding is one thing. Irving Azoff responding is a very different, significantly more consequential can of worms.

It's telling that Mick has gone radio silent since that interview. I think the Mick-Lindsey show that they were planning has been thrown out the window altogether. Mick can smooth things over with Stevie, but Azoff??? Nope. Sorry, Lins.

[jbrownsjr]

Lindsey's comments, to me, seem like the kinds of things he's talked to his fans about over the past fifteen or so years.

However, he made the colossal mistake of talking about that with the press.

Stevie responding is one thing. Irving Azoff responding is a very different, significantly more consequential can of worms.

It's telling that Mick has gone radio silent since that interview. I think the Mick-Lindsey show that they were planning has been thrown out the window altogether. Mick can smooth things over with Stevie, but Azoff??? Nope. Sorry, Lins.

I think the opposite. Azoff would have no problem bringing the FAB 5 together if it meant a huge tour and instant sell out. (Which it might with that kind of marketing.) However, Goat might not be so convinced. My theory being: for her it's more personal. for him, he doesn't give a sh*t about LB. It's just business. It's Irving's job to care about money.

[SteveMacD]

I think the opposite. Azoff would have no problem bringing the FAB 5 together if it meant a huge tour and instant sell out. (Which it might with that kind of marketing.) However, Goat might not be so convinced. My theory being: for her it's more personal. for him, he doesn't give a sh*t about LB. It's just business. It's Irving's job to care about money.

I dunno. I think that the contempt and disdain in Irving Azoff’s comments are akin to a burn notice. Azoff said that the 2018 tour was the highest grossing in the band’s history, so I doubt he’s in any rush to get Lindsey back. I think the ship has sailed on the Rumours band, if not Fleetwood Mac altogether.

Mick's been pretty quiet, lately. I hope it's not because of COVID.

[vivfox]

Mick's been pretty quiet, lately. I hope it's not because of COVID.

Mick has been quiet ever since Stevie publicly said she fired herself from the band in 2018. That's code for "keep your mouth zipped or I'm quitting the band forever."

[SteveMacD]

Mick has been quiet ever since Stevie publicly said she fired herself from the band in 2018. That's code for "keep your mouth zipped or I'm quitting the band forever."

Yeah, but the rekindled bromance between Mick and Lindsey has been crickets since Azoff's comments.

[vivfox]

Yeah, but the rekindled bromance between Mick and Lindsey has been crickets since Azoff's comments.

Yes, but Azoff comments and Stevie's comments were released at the same time in the same Rolling Stone article.

[elle]

Yeah, but the rekindled bromance between Mick and Lindsey has been crickets since Azoff's comments.

i know you really wanted Mick to join Lindsey on his solo tours, for reasoning i still don't understand, and sorry that now you seem disappointed. :shrug:


that said, Mick is not promoting anything right now, so of course he's not saying anything. all his statements came when he was promoting his FM / PG project recording that was coming out at the time.

on the other hand, Lindsey is now promoting something, therefore now he's the one talking about the bromance and soulmates. that said, even all Lindsey interviews were back in August, not now.

so the timeline you seem to imply doesn't really exist.

yes, Azoff is lucky Lindsey didn't sue specifically him as his manager who screw him over back in 2018, and was in on Fleetwood Mac breaking the contracts they had in place for 2018 tour. but Lindsey had in his lawsuit something like the FM 4 plus associated people, so i'm sure Azoff was not happy loosing a part of that tour income to Lindsey. :nod:

Lindsey said all Azoff cares about is money. then Azoff came out with the statement basically saying - hey all i care about is money! :laugh:

Lindsey said - it was Stevie who was behind the ultimatum. then Stevie came out and said no no no no no he's lying - it was I who gave the ultimatum. :laugh:

why Lindsey was paying Azoff as his manager all those years is completely beyond me, because now when we see the promotion under Lindsey's new management, it's completely clear that other than talking money and instead belittling him for not being commercial enough solo, Azoff was doing beyond crappy job for Lindsey.

that all said, i completely agree with you now that Azoff even though not FM manager at the time, is apparently someone who holds the grudges if someone denies him his planned money and was unhappy with Christine's getting Lindsey to say that Classics were just a sad moneygrab.

[jbrownsjr]

^^^ I agree. All he cares about is money. I think if they marketed a FAB 5 Rumours band coming back, it would explode. And poor Irving would forget all about "what's that guy's name?" Oh yeah, Lindsey Buckingham.

[elle]

^^^ I agree. All he cares about is money. I think if they marketed a FAB 5 Rumours band coming back it would explode. And poor Irving would forget all about "what's that guy's name?" Oh Lindsey Buckingham.

right. money manager would jump on the chance to make even more money, and if yet another FM classic reunion is that, he'd be all for it.

so all my hopes are on SN, that she will stay firmly enclosed in her entourage circle, and stand her ground that she doesn't want to ever be on the same stage with LB.

we don't need yet another FM 5 cashgrab tour, completely running FM into the ground. they were successful enough with it in 2018-19, the reviewes that were not paid for upfront were very clear about that. and we know people would show up, they show up and rave about Bob Dylan shows even though his songs are completely unrecognizable now. people show up for legendary names, as they did for FM in 2018-19.

new BuckVie album i can go for though.

[SteveMacD]

i know you really wanted Mick to join Lindsey on his solo tours, for reasoning i still don't understand, and sorry that now you seem disappointed. :shrug:
Woah, calm down, there. I wasn’t necessarily excited about it. It was something that made a lot of sense for both of them, especially if Fleetwood Mac was done.

I’d be much more excited about a new album with the current lineup or a blues album with Mick, John, Christine, Rick, and Mike.

that said, Mick is not promoting anything right now, so of course he's not saying anything. all his statements came when he was promoting his FM / PG project recording that was coming out at the time.

so the timeline you seem to imply doesn't really exist.
Prior to that interview, there was some type of news coming out about every two weeks. You could almost set your watch to it. Not so much since, save for Mike Campbell working with John Mayall (hence why I want him in the Fleetwood Mac blues offshoot).

Lindsey said all Azoff cares about is money. then Azoff came out with the statement basically saying - hey all i care about is money! :laugh:
Part of Irving’s job is to care about the money. That said, I think Irving was also just as motivated by spite in 2018-19.

Lindsey said - it was Stevie who was behind the ultimatum. then Stevie came out and said no no no no no he's lying - it was I who gave the ultimatum. :laugh:
Stevie didn’t give them an ultimatum. She said she wasn’t working with Lindsey anymore. There wasn’t a directive to the band that it was her or Lindsey. However, Mick and Irving knew a Fleetwood Mac tour without her wasn’t going to fly and figured out a solution that kept her in the band. The net effect was the same, but without an actual directive, it’s hard for me to see it as an ultimatum.

why Lindsey was paying Azoff as his manager all those years is completely beyond me, because now when we see the promotion under Lindsey's new management, it's completely clear that other than talking money and instead belittling him for not being commercial enough solo, Azoff was doing beyond crappy job for Lindsey.
Having Irving as his manager probably helped get him back on a label after Warner/Reprise was done with him.

[David]

It was something that made a lot of sense for both of them, especially if Fleetwood Mac was done.In other words, it made financial sense.

I’d be much more excited about a new album with the current lineup or a blues album with Mick, John, Christine, Rick, and Mike.In other words, projects that make zero financial sense.

In other words, when it’s a project that you prefer but makes no financial sense, state it here and cross your fingers that it happens. But when it’s a project that you don’t personally prefer but makes some financial sense, make it obvious that you find the idea ridiculous.

Prior to that interview, there was some type of news coming out about every two weeks. You could almost set your watch to it. Not so much since. Isn’t that how publicity generally works — a lot of hoopla for a time, followed by little or no hoopla? Are we still hearing about the British Invasion?

Part of Irving’s job is to care about the money. That said, I think Irving was also just as motivated by spite in 2018-19.Whatever motivates Irving or makes his Piguet Swiss watch tick, it’s of no musical value to Fleetwood or any of its members.

Stevie didn’t give them an ultimatum. She said she wasn’t working with Lindsey anymore.ROFLMAO.

ul·ti·ma·tum noun \ ˌəl-tə-ˈmā-təm , -ˈmä- \
plural ul·ti·ma·tums or ul·ti·ma·ta \ ˌəl-​tə-​ˈmā-​tə , -​ˈmä-​ \
1: a final proposition, condition, or demand especially : one whose rejection will end negotiations and cause a resort to force or other direct action.

Having Irving as his manager probably helped get him back on a label after Warner/Reprise was done with him.Trademark Steve Hopkins conjecture. Keep ’em coming! And welcome back.

[elle]

Woah, calm down, there. I wasn’t necessarily excited about it.

:confused: not sure who you are talking to, everyone seems very calm around here.

you've been pushing Mick-Lindsey collab pretty hard and repeatedly, as can be easily verified with a quick search of this site. by your defensive reaction right now, maybe you really were excited about it, even if not necessarily. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

In other words, it made financial sense.

In other words, projects that make zero financial sense.

In other words, when it’s a project that you prefer but makes no financial sense, state it here and cross your fingers that it happens. But when it’s a project that you don’t personally prefer but makes some financial sense, make it obvious that you find the idea ridiculous.
I don’t find the idea of Lindsey and Mick working together to be ridiculous. What I prefer isn’t connected to what makes financial sense, it’s, you know, a personal preference. I thought it was pretty obvious with me that my top preference is always the one that has Mick, John, and Christine playing together.

Quit trying to overcomplicate someone else’s opinion.


Isn’t that how publicity generally works — a lot of hoopla for a time, followed by little or no hoopla? Are we still hearing about the British Invasion?
From the end of the 2018-19 tour, there was some type of interview about every two weeks until the one with Azoff. Even Christine and Brett, neither of whom were promoting anything, had interviews.


1: a final proposition, condition, or demand especially : one whose rejection will end negotiations and cause a resort to force or other direct action.
And you missed the whole point that there wasn’t a proposition, condition, or demand.

Trademark Steve Hopkins conjecture. Keep ’em coming! And welcome back.
It is a conjecture, hence “probably.” That’s really the only reason I could see Lindsey going with Irving. Their philosophies couldn’t be more different.

[UnwindedDreams]

Snapple fact:Brett's interview was part of a RollingStone series on support musicians during lockdown. He wasn't promoting anything.

I wonder if Ricky Peterson, Sharon Celani, or Taku Hirano were asked. They've certainly played with a lot of legends. For Ricky all I know of is Prince for him.

[DownOnRodeo]

Lindsey said all Azoff cares about is money. then Azoff came out with the statement basically saying - hey all i care about is money! :laugh:

Lindsey said - it was Stevie who was behind the ultimatum. then Stevie came out and said no no no no no he's lying - it was I who gave the ultimatum. :laugh:

This is so good.


I think I see what Steve means by suggesting that Stevie's, er, speech act, could theoretically be construed very narrowly as nothing more than a declaration of her intention to sever all ties with Lindsey; but in its real world context it had the performative force of either bringing the Fleetwood Mac train to a halt (and thereby breaching promoter contracts) or keeping it going with some different passengers (which hypothetically also includes the scenario where they went ahead with a Christine/Lindsey/John/Mick lineup sans Stevie). In any case, "ultimatum" comes from the Latin "ultimare" meaning 'come to an end.' In her own words, her declaration was as final as it gets, whatever the subsequent outcome.

[SteveMacD]

:confused: not sure who you are talking to, everyone seems very calm around here.
With all due respect, I don’t appreciate being told how I feel or felt about something.

you've been pushing Mick-Lindsey collab pretty hard and repeatedly, as can be easily verified with a quick search of this site. by your defensive reaction right now, maybe you really were excited about it, even if not necessarily. :shrug:
The way Mick and Lindsey feed off each other in the studio and on stage would made for a great project. If Fleetwood Mac isn’t an option going forward, then Fleetwood Buckingham or whatever would be the most commercially viable option left for both men. It still might happen, but I’m not nearly as optimistic after that interview.

However, I can only get so excited about acoustic guitars recorded at half speed and then sped up, sparse percussion, layered Fairlight backing vocals, comically distorted lead guitars, and psychobabble lyrics for the umpteenth time. For all the reinvention talk, what I’ve heard from the new album sounds a lot like every other album of his since OOTC, including SYW.

In terms of what actually excites me, a Fleetwood Mac album with Neil Finn and Mike Campbell is much higher on the list followed by that blues album Christine has been teasing for nearly 35 years. Mike Campbell’s “Wreckless Abandon” song was a breath of fresh air as far as Mac-related songs go. Big jangly guitars, fun lyrics, and a good hook. It would have been a great Fleetwood Mac song.

I think I see what Steve means by suggesting that Stevie's, er, speech act, could theoretically be construed very narrowly as nothing more than a declaration of her intention to sever all ties with Lindsey; but in its real world context it had the performative force of either bringing the Fleetwood Mac train to a halt (and thereby breaching promoter contracts) or keeping it going with some different passengers (which hypothetically also includes the scenario where they went ahead with a Christine/Lindsey/John/Mick lineup sans Stevie). In any case, "ultimatum" comes from the Latin "ultimare" meaning 'come to an end.' In her own words, her declaration was as final as it gets, whatever the subsequent outcome.
This. As I said, the net effect was the same.

[HomerMcvie]

I think I see what Steve means by suggesting that Stevie's, er, speech act, could theoretically be construed very narrowly as nothing more than a declaration of her intention to sever all ties with Lindsey; but in its real world context it had the performative force of either bringing the Fleetwood Mac train to a halt (and thereby breaching promoter contracts) or keeping it going with some different passengers (which hypothetically also includes the scenario where they went ahead with a Christine/Lindsey/John/Mick lineup sans Stevie). In any case, "ultimatum" comes from the Latin "ultimare" meaning 'come to an end.' In her own words, her declaration was as final as it gets, whatever the subsequent outcome.
I've never believed for a second that $he wanted out. $he got exactly what $he wanted. Lindsey ousted. It only took her 43 years.

$he's not the boss.

$he's a lying sack of sh*t.

[elle]

I've never believed for a second that $he wanted out. $he got exactly what $he wanted. Lindsey ousted. It only took her 43 years.

$he's not the boss.

no no no no no - you got it so wrong! she fired herself. as one does!

same as she decided to go to rehab, her own idea, nobody else's. except she fired Azoff for staging an intervention to get her into rehab, and wrote a very literal song about it too.

it took Azoff more than 30 years to finally make his way back into Fleetwood Mac management by doing her dirty work towards Lindsey. breaking contracts in the process too. and remember, they were gonna hang it all on Lindsey too lying that he left them again right when they had all the touring contracts signed.

[SteveMacD]

I've never believed for a second that $he wanted out.

Oh, I do. I mean, I don't think she necessarily wanted to leave Fleetwood Mac, per se, but I absolutely think she reached her breaking point with him. As I've said many times before, both seem to be pieces of work, but I completely get that feeling that a situation has to end. I've been in that position where it was move on or lose my mind or worse several times in my life. And, I have less sympathy for Lindsey only because I know he talked about who he'd replace Stevie with to fans after shows. He would have thrown her under the bus if he'd been in a position of power, too. I have zero doubt about that. He never said there's no Fleetwood Mac without her, so why should he be afforded the same courtesy?

I don't really care. I was going to see Mick, John, and Christine regardless of who their fellow passengers were.

[HomerMcvie]

no no no no no - you got it so wrong! she fired herself. as one does!

Yeah, well, $he's an IDIOT. A card carrying IDIOT.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, I do. I mean, I don't think she necessarily wanted to leave Fleetwood Mac, per se, but I absolutely think she reached her breaking point with him. As I've said many times before, both seem to be pieces of work, but I completely get that feeling that a situation has to end. I've been in that position where it was move on or lose my mind or worse several times in my life. And, I have less sympathy for Lindsey only because I know he talked about who he'd replace Stevie with to fans after shows. He would have thrown her under the bus if he'd been in a position of power, too. I have zero doubt about that. He never said there's no Fleetwood Mac without her, so why should he be afforded the same courtesy?

I don't really care. I was going to see Mick, John, and Christine regardless of who their fellow passengers were.
I'm sure they both have their dysfunctional issues with each other(and with the rest of the world).

He's the CREATOR of their success. $he's the ASSet that fills the seats. Now that $he refuses to create music with them, $he has all the power. I hope karma gets her, HARD.

I'd love to see them without the old goat. But it would be you, me, and 500 other people. It would be awesome.... for us. Old Dick needs big money.

I'd love another BuckVie. I think it might be too late in life now, for Christine. I hope I'm wrong.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm sure they both have their dysfunctional issues with each other(and with the rest of the world).

He's the CREATOR of their success. $he's the ASSet that fills the seats. Now that $he refuses to create music with them, $he has all the power. I hope karma gets her, HARD.

I'd love to see them without the old goat. But it would be you, me, and 500 other people. It would be awesome.... for us. Old Dick needs big money.
I'd love another BuckVie. I think it might be too late in life now, for Christine. I hope I'm wrong.
The bottom line is that Stevie is a liar and a malignant narcissist. She birthed the whole LB firing. Didn't even have the backbone to call him and tell him she was "having him fired."

Did she think that when LB was trying to call the band after he'd been iced that she had fired herself?
Did she think that when they rehearsed with Mike and Neil she had fired herself?
Did she think that when they ink'd a new deal with Mike and Neil to tour that she had fired herself?

We know the story They made new music without her. She didn't like it. Even said there was no premise. Made FM wait for her but had a problem with LB making them wait a bit.
Doesn't like when HE makes fun of her bloviating and making the running time of the show increase by 15-20 min.

Lindsey said it best on his new album. (Which I quite like. )

It's another fight
As the queen dims the lights

[UnwindedDreams]

The bottom line is that Stevie is a liar.
Is it a lie though if she has memory issues?:D


We know the story They made new music without her. She didn't like it. Even said there was no premise. Made FM wait for her
She knows she got away with not being a member in good standing in 2014-2016 by not making music with the other four members. They let her off the hook because they knew there's no global touring future of FM without Stevie Nicks.
On the CBS Morning interview in 2018, she expressed that Lindsey had been a member who wasn't in good standing.

Question is...what did Lindsey do from 2014 on that got her to get Mick and John to give the blessing to fire Lindsey?

We know she didn't like rehearsing in the afternoon because she'd have to get up in the morning rather than at 4:00pm!

[elle]

And, I have less sympathy for Lindsey only because I know he talked about who he'd replace Stevie with to fans after shows. He would have thrown her under the bus if he'd been in a position of power, too.

i'm not really sure why you believe these fans told you the truth and didn't make it all up. :laugh:

however, maybe you are onto something - maybe she was making sure she gets him fired first (for whatever made-up reasons) before he manages to get her fired for refusing to do anything band wanted for years - including new music. :shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

Is it a lie though if she has memory issues?:D



I will give you that:


You can fly high on top your trapeze
I know you won't fall
Because the whole thing's a pony...


:laugh:

[elle]

I'd love to see them without the old goat. But it would be you, me, and 500 other people. It would be awesome.... for us. Old Dick needs big money..

people keep saying this, and yet SN doesn't sell nearly as many tickets or for nearly as much money as Fleetwood Mac brand does. no matter how much she and some of her fanbase are trying to push it, SN is not FM. at least not yet.

most people go to see the old brand bands and performers so they can put a notch in that they did it. i've seen plenty of social media posts saying i've seen FM, yes - unfortunately it was not the classic lineup (wish it was!), but i can say i saw them. and that's from people who actually have some idea that there was more than a single lineup. most people just know the songs and the band name and are more than happy to go for a singalong and saying they saw FM while they still existed. even if the song they liked the best was Don't dream it's over.

there's more than a good chance that like other bands without key members, FM brand name, with proper advertising (and without organized PR against them) would sell tons, although probably there would be a good number of people disappointed there is no witchy woman there. managers didn't want to risk it in 2018, so we'll never know.

[elle]

The bottom line is that Stevie is a liar and a malignant narcissist. She birthed the whole LB firing. Didn't even have the backbone to call him and tell him she was "having him fired."

Did she think that when LB was trying to call the band after he'd been iced that she had fired herself?
Did she think that when they rehearsed with Mike and Neil she had fired herself?
Did she think that when they ink'd a new deal with Mike and Neil to tour that she had fired herself?

We know the story They made new music without her. She didn't like it. Even said there was no premise. Made FM wait for her but had a problem with LB making them wait a bit.
Doesn't like when HE makes fun of her bloviating and making the running time of the show increase by 15-20 min.

right? what a coward! and yet somehow she's been successfully selling herself as this strong woman?!

strong people stand behind their actions. not hide behind managers and lies.

[jbrownsjr]

people keep saying this, and yet SN doesn't sell nearly as many tickets or for nearly as much money as Fleetwood Mac brand does. no matter how much she and some of her fanbase are trying to push it, SN is not FM. at least not yet.

most people go to see the old brand bands and performers so they can put a notch in that they did it. i've seen plenty of social media posts saying i've seen FM, yes - unfortunately it was not the classic lineup (wish it was!), but i can say i saw them. and that's from people who actually have some idea that there was more than a single lineup. most people just know the songs and the band name and are more than happy to go for a singalong and saying they saw FM while they still existed. even if the song they liked the best was Don't dream it's over.

there's more than a good chance that like other bands without key members, FM brand name, with proper advertising (and without organized PR against them) would sell tons, although probably there would be a good number of people disappointed there is no witchy woman there. managers didn't want to risk it in 2018, so we'll never know.

It's true. BuckVie was a first time in that brand and it was full in DEN, LA, and LV. I think LA sold out. I had a hard time finding a seat on ticketmaster for a friend at the last min. I had to go to a broker.
Fleetwood Mac without Goat wouldn't do as well, yes. But, the four with a guest star might do well. Throw Don't Stop, Go Your Own Way, Songbird, Everywhere, Little Lies in that ad, and their might be some response with that brand.

Also, Stevie's tickets are less expensive. And goat had the Pretenders with her. Also, some folks reported it cleared out a little bit after Pretenders show.
Even so, goat is a big touring name it's just not the whole picture.

[elle]

It's true. BuckVie was a first time in that brand and it was full in DEN, LA, and LV. I think LA sold out. .

that's exactly it - BuckVie did NOT have a brand name. so people had to actually know who they were, and that these are 2/3 of FM songwriters. most general public had no clue.

if BuckVie went on the road as Fleetwood Mac, with Mick and John, than we would have a frame of reference. instead, the only thing we know is that Stevie Nicks name is much better known than the names Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie.

[jbrownsjr]

that's exactly it - BuckVie did NOT have a brand name. so people had to actually know who they were, and that these are 2/3 of FM songwriters. most general public had no clue.

if BuckVie went on the road as Fleetwood Mac, with Mick and John, than we would have a frame of reference. instead, the only thing we know is that Stevie Nicks name is much better known than the names Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie.

She likes that kind of attention.

[sleepless child]

I would actually like to see a Fleetwood Mac show without Stevie. Mick, John, Chris and Lindsey and yes, have a special guest singer or several for Stevie's songs or parts. I would go to that.

[HomerMcvie]

I would actually like to see a Fleetwood Mac show without Stevie. Mick, John, Chris and Lindsey and yes, have a special guest singer or several for Stevie's songs or parts. I would go to that.

Bekka Bramlett. The best singer FM ever had.

[Macfan4life]

I would actually like to see a Fleetwood Mac show without Stevie. Mick, John, Chris and Lindsey and yes, have a special guest singer or several for Stevie's songs or parts. I would go to that.
Nah, they can skip all of Stevie's songs. There is SO MUCH material between Chris and Lindsey that I would not want any interference from another singer.

Second Hand News
You Make Loving Fun
Hold Me
Think About Me
Little Lies
Loving Cup
Got A Hold On Me
Save Me a Place
Sugar Daddy
Brown Eyes
Im So Afraid
Oh Daddy
Isnt It Midnight
Tango In The Night
Dont Stop
Go Your Own Way
Encore:
Love In Store
Monday Morning
Songbird

[Macfan4life]

Bekka Bramlett. The best singer FM ever had.
Only if she can harmonize on Oh Daddy
:)

[UnwindedDreams]

Nah, they can skip all of Stevie's songs. There is SO MUCH material between Chris and Lindsey that I would not want any interference from another singer.

Second Hand News
You Make Loving Fun
Hold Me
Think About Me
Little Lies
Loving Cup
Got A Hold On Me
Save Me a Place
Sugar Daddy
Brown Eyes
Im So Afraid
Oh Daddy
Isnt It Midnight
Tango In The Night
Dont Stop
Go Your Own Way
Encore:
Love In Store
Monday Morning
Songbird
You don't like World Turning, Blue Letter, Bleed to Love Her, or Who's Dreaming This Dream?:p

[elle]

You don't like World Turning, Blue Letter, Bleed to Love Her, or Who's Dreaming This Dream?:p

also The Chain and Tusk.

and they can maybe do Gift of Screws of Too Far Gone. or any BuckVie really.

[HomerMcvie]

Nah, they can skip all of Stevie's songs. There is SO MUCH material between Chris and Lindsey that I would not want any interference from another singer.

Second Hand News
You Make Loving Fun
Hold Me
Think About Me
Little Lies
Loving Cup
Got A Hold On Me
Save Me a Place
Sugar Daddy
Brown Eyes
Im So Afraid
Oh Daddy
Isnt It Midnight
Tango In The Night
Dont Stop
Go Your Own Way
Encore:
Love In Store
Monday Morning
Songbird

I think the point would be, beyond adding some goat songs, would be lightening the load for the other two, who aren't exactly...... in their prime.

[HomerMcvie]

Only if she can harmonize on Oh Daddy
:)

Oh Daddy, put your hand inside my glove.

Have you ever heard Bekka? I have, several times. And beyond the Time tour, but with her in a club(and with Vince Gill as well).She is a f*cking POWERHOUSE. She'll belt your damned pants off.

[aleuzzi]

I’m just going to say it—

No matter who you think is right or wrong in this never-ending drama, the bottom line is Stevie Nicks is no longer interesting musically whereas Lindsey is. We can pick apart their individual personalities and argue about who is in the right or in the wrong but it doesn’t really matter.

What matters is their music, their commitment to growth and craft. Lindsey is still searching and developing. Stevie uses her old top hat as a money bucket to demand our cash wherever she sings. It’s a crass conclusion to a life in music.

Christine is in the middle. She claims to always be up for making new records and songs but will no longer do so without a guiding hand. That’s frustrating—to know that “bag full of of songs,” as Mick put it, will probably never be recorded. Meanwhile she won’t say no to big tour money, to tour after tour of the same stuff played the same way, and now played largely by back up musicians.

[HomerMcvie]

I’m just going to say it—

No matter who you think is right or wrong in this never-ending drama, the bottom line is Stevie Nicks is no longer interesting musically whereas Lindsey is. We can pick apart their individual personalities and argue about who is in the right or in the wrong but it doesn’t really matter.

What matters is their music, their commitment to growth and craft. Lindsey is still searching and developing. Stevie uses her old top hat as a money bucket to demand our cash wherever she sings. It’s a crass conclusion to a life in music.

This is the best assessment of modern day Stevie that I've ever read.

She's the true embarrassment to their legacy, but will never be remembered as such. She spins around, and people fall for that... there's no accounting for taste. :wavey:

[Macfan4life]

Oh Daddy, put your hand inside my glove.

Have you ever heard Bekka? I have, several times. And beyond the Time tour, but with her in a club(and with Vince Gill as well).She is a f*cking POWERHOUSE. She'll belt your damned pants off.
Bekka who? Didn't she play the daughter of Roseanne? :lol:


No one disputes Bekka's singing ability. I am not sure the Mac was a good fit for her. While I appreciate Christine's songs on Time and Nights In Estoril is one of my favorites, the rest of the album is not great and has no Fleetwood Mac magic. It has nothing to do with Bekka's singing ability. We all are not Fleetwood Mac fans because of the singing ability of any of its singers. It apparently was something else that grabbed us.

[Macfan4life]

You don't like World Turning, Blue Letter, Bleed to Love Her, or Who's Dreaming This Dream?:p
The list was off top of my head. I love the album version of World Turning but I dislike it live ever since 1987 when it became a showcase for Mick's play suit or drum solo. I also don't like Stevie's vocals on the live track.

Who's Dreaming this dream is ok but my least favorite off her 1984 solo album and Christine probably agrees with me since it was the only track she did not do live during her solo tour promoting the album. I also was trying to keep it to only 2 solo songs. Their catalog is incredible but my list was more for the masses and not all my favorites otherwise the only one at the concert would be me ;) Thus my point being there are plenty of hits to play for the casual Mac fan without $tevie's music.

[jbrownsjr]

I’m just going to say it—

No matter who you think is right or wrong in this never-ending drama, the bottom line is Stevie Nicks is no longer interesting musically whereas Lindsey is. We can pick apart their individual personalities and argue about who is in the right or in the wrong but it doesn’t really matter.

What matters is their music, their commitment to growth and craft. Lindsey is still searching and developing. Stevie uses her old top hat as a money bucket to demand our cash wherever she sings. It’s a crass conclusion to a life in music.

Christine is in the middle. She claims to always be up for making new records and songs but will no longer do so without a guiding hand. That’s frustrating—to know that “bag full of of songs,” as Mick put it, will probably never be recorded. Meanwhile she won’t say no to big tour money, to tour after tour of the same stuff played the same way, and now played largely by back up musicians.
You and David really have a beautiful, yet lucid way with words. I agree with this immensely.

[aleuzzi]

You and David really have a beautiful, yet lucid way with words. I agree with this immensely.

David sets the bar. The rest of us try to reach it.

[bwboy]

Who's Dreaming this dream is ok but my least favorite off her 1984 solo album and Christine probably agrees with me since it was the only track she did not do live during her solo tour promoting the album.

I saw on YouTube that Christine did perform Who’s Dreaming This Dream live. Billy Burnette did a fantastic job of singing Lindsey’s part. Are you thinking of a different song, maybe?

[jbrownsjr]

I saw on YouTube that Christine did perform Who’s Dreaming This Dream live. Billy Burnette did a fantastic job of singing Lindsey’s part. Are you thinking of a different song, maybe?

I think it's on her MTV Special.

[bwboy]

I think it's on her MTV Special.

Thank you, jbrownsjr. I wasn’t aware Christine even had a special on MTV! That explains why Billy isn’t seen on other live performances I’ve seen on YouTube.

Very interesting that she didn’t perform Who’s Dreaming This Dream on the tour but did so on her special. My guess is she didn’t sing it on her tour because she didn’t have a strong enough male vocalist to sing Lindsey’s part, but since Billy was available for her special, she included it then. I’ve always thought Christine and Billy sounded great together.

[Macfan4life]

Thank you, jbrownsjr. I wasn’t aware Christine even had a special on MTV! That explains why Billy isn’t seen on other live performances I’ve seen on YouTube.

Very interesting that she didn’t perform Who’s Dreaming This Dream on the tour but did so on her special. My guess is she didn’t sing it on her tour because she didn’t have a strong enough male vocalist to sing Lindsey’s part, but since Billy was available for her special, she included it then. I’ve always thought Christine and Billy sounded great together.
You are referring to her "Video Album" which I think was separate from her MTV Special. The Country Club performance was not part of her tour and was recorded months before the tour started and even before the album was released. Her touring band did not include Billy Burnette and was not the same set as the country club. Songs like World Turning and Who's Dreaming This Dream were not performed. She included more work from her solo album, threw in some vintage Mac stuff besides the Mac hits. I dont think she dropped Who's Dreaming This Dream due to her touring band's vocals. Sharpe and Hawkins provided excellent vocals and even better than Billy on songs like Hold Me and Say You Love Me and even taking Winwood's lines on One In A Million. I think she made the perfect set of slow songs, classic hits, and upbeat rockers. She did perform an out track from her solo album that was on the MTV special and that was Too Much Is Not Enough. Its an upbeat rocker and a much better fit for a live performance than Who's Dreaming This Dream IMHO ;)

This was her set list:

Say You Love Me
Love Will Show Us How
The Challenge
So Excited
Just Crazy Love
Spare Me a Little of Your Love
The Smile I Live For
Ask Anybody
Keeping Secrets
Guitar Bug (Performed by Todd Sharp)
I'm the One
One in a Million
Hold Me
Got a Hold on Me
Over My Head
You Make Loving Fun
Too Much Is Not Enough
Don't Stop
Songbird

[SteveMacD]

Guitar Bug (Performed by Todd Sharp)

Co-written with Billy Burnette (https://youtu.be/KQ_13iY325g).

[bwboy]

This was her set list:

Say You Love Me
Love Will Show Us How
The Challenge
So Excited
Just Crazy Love
Spare Me a Little of Your Love
The Smile I Live For
Ask Anybody
Keeping Secrets
Guitar Bug (Performed by Todd Sharp)
I'm the One
One in a Million
Hold Me
Got a Hold on Me
Over My Head
You Make Loving Fun
Too Much Is Not Enough
Don't Stop
Songbird

Thanks for the set list and info about her tour and concert special, Macfan4life. Maybe now that Christine sold her catalog, we’ll get a rerelease of her 1984 album, along with a few extras.

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe now that Christine sold her catalog, we’ll get a rerelease of her 1984 album, along with a few extras.
Oh, I doubt that will happen. It would be great, though!

[bwboy]

Oh, I doubt that will happen. It would be great, though!

But they just rereleased her album from 1970, right? So surely her 1984 album might be a possibility.

Remember back in the 70s when greatest hits albums would be released by country singers, and they would be on commercials lip syncing? For some reason I still remember Anne Murray doing that LOL. Well, wouldn’t it be wonderful and hilarious if Christine would do that for a new box set? Can you imagine her playing up to the camera for a close up while singing You Make Loving Fun? Or sitting on a stool while singing Got a Hold on Me?

But wait! If you order right now, you’ll also receive the MTV concert special not seen on TV since 1984!

[DownOnRodeo]

Wouldn’t it be wonderful and hilarious if Christine would do that for a new box set? (...) Or sitting on a stool while singing Got a Hold on Me?

More likely sitting at a grand piano atop an English hill, giant red scarf blowing across her face as she tries to talk.

"Hi, this is Christine McVie. Would you be interested in buying my self-titled album from 1984? It's probably not very good, really. Maybe you're wondering what songs are on it. So am I. To be honest with you [takes a long sip of wine], I've written so many damn songs at this point they're all the same to me. I think Got a Hold On Me did alright. Can someone turn off the bloody wind fans?"

[SteveMacD]

Please. She couldn’t remember the title of “Got A Hold On Me” by 1987 (https://youtu.be/F2XPEMAPRIM). (Go to 3:55)

[HomerMcvie]

Please. She couldn’t remember the title of “Got A Hold On Me” by 1987 (https://youtu.be/F2XPEMAPRIM). (Go to 3:55)

"My secretary can't remember it either."

I wonder if that was Chris Kable?

[Macfan4life]

"My secretary can't remember it either."

I wonder if that was Chris Kable?
Please. We all get brain farts from time to time. I dont know the point Steve is making. Of course she would not release a box set and there would not be a market for it even if the owners of her material did so.
She could not remember the lead single's name but the other song that barely charted? Its just a simple brain fart as she is sitting there under lights with some idiot who is sick and should not be interviewing anyone. How annoying he is.

[bwboy]

More likely sitting at a grand piano atop an English hill, giant red scarf blowing across her face as she tries to talk.

"Hi, this is Christine McVie. Would you be interested in buying my self-titled album from 1984? It's probably not very good, really. Maybe you're wondering what songs are on it. So am I. To be honest with you [takes a long sip of wine], I've written so many damn songs at this point they're all the same to me. I think Got a Hold On Me did alright. Can someone turn off the bloody wind fans?"

I could see this! “Please buy my new collection- it has all my greatest hit!”

[aleuzzi]

I could see this! “Please buy my new collection- it has all my greatest hit!”

If Lindsey can do it, so can she. “Trouble” was his only big hit. “Go Insane” and “Slow Dancing” were minor hits, just as “Love Will Show Us How” and “Friend” were for Christine.

LB’s “Wrong” had a video and may have made the lower rung of the charts.

You could then say Lindsey’s theme for National Lampoon’s Vacation made some noise. Marginally more noise than Christine’s theme for A Fine Mess. Still, both have made fine solo albums.

[jbrownsjr]

If Lindsey can do it, so can she. “Trouble” was his only big hit. “Go Insane” and “Slow Dancing” were minor hits, just as “Love Will Show Us How” and “Friend” were for Christine.

LB’s “Wrong” had a video and may have made the lower rung of the charts.

You could then say Lindsey’s theme for National Lampoon’s Vacation made some noise. Marginally more noise than Christine’s theme for A Fine Mess. Still, both have made fine solo albums.

I'd Rather Go Blind was a UK hit for her.

[aleuzzi]

I'd Rather Go Blind was a UK hit for her.

Yeah, I know. I was just sticking with songs from the same era as LB’a for point of comparison….

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, I know. I was just sticking with songs from the same era as LB’a for point of comparison….

I would love a Christine Compilation!! Imagine with live and other B sides. 4 Cd's.

[Villavic]

If Lindsey can do it, so can she. “Trouble” was his only big hit. “Go Insane” and “Slow Dancing” were minor hits, just as “Love Will Show Us How” and “Friend” were for Christine.

LB’s “Wrong” had a video and may have made the lower rung of the charts.

You could then say Lindsey’s theme for National Lampoon’s Vacation made some noise. Marginally more noise than Christine’s theme for A Fine Mess. Still, both have made fine solo albums.

Trouble and Holiday road were the only songs I remember they played in peruvian radio stations. Same with Chris' Got a Hold on Me and Love will show us how. I don't remember any other Lindsey or Chris song played frequently in peruvian radios. That may be an indication of their songs presence, worldwide, beyond US and UK.

[elle]

Trouble and Holiday road were the only songs I remember they played in peruvian radio stations. Same with Chris' Got a Hold on Me and Love will show us how. I don't remember any other Lindsey or Chris song played frequently in peruvian radios. That may be an indication of their songs presence, worldwide, beyond US and UK.

i think what Lindsey's box set showed is that you can highlight musician's catalog even if there were just a few hits among a lot of amazing music, and bring it back to people's attention how much they missed.

with his tour to back it up, along with the smart push, LB's solo compilation sales at the time way outsold FM compilation sales that came out at the same time. so if done right, and if record company is behind it, it would be great to highlight Christine's solo and non-FM catalog. of course her solo output is half of that LB had, but i'm sure it can be done.

[Villavic]

LB's solo compilation sales at the time way outsold FM compilation sales that came out at the same time.

Interesting, where did you get that info?

[SteveMacD]

But they just rereleased her album from 1970, right? So surely her 1984 album might be a possibility.

Remember back in the 70s when greatest hits albums would be released by country singers, and they would be on commercials lip syncing? For some reason I still remember Anne Murray doing that LOL. Well, wouldn’t it be wonderful and hilarious if Christine would do that for a new box set? Can you imagine her playing up to the camera for a close up while singing You Make Loving Fun? Or sitting on a stool while singing Got a Hold on Me?

But wait! If you order right now, you’ll also receive the MTV concert special not seen on TV since 1984!

Something like this? (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgu9p4)

[bwboy]

Something like this? (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgu9p4)

I mean exactly like that! Thanks for the link, that was hilarious.

[aleuzzi]

Trouble and Holiday road were the only songs I remember they played in peruvian radio stations. Same with Chris' Got a Hold on Me and Love will show us how. I don't remember any other Lindsey or Chris song played frequently in peruvian radios. That may be an indication of their songs presence, worldwide, beyond US and UK.

Your last sentence is the reason. In the states, those other songs from Lindsey were lower-rung radio hits. Christine’s “Friend” was released in the digital era and charted for its modest sales not radio play.

[michelej1]

I could see this! “Please buy my new collection- it has all my greatest hit!”

That’s classic. :laugh:

[vivfox]

LB's solo compilation sales at the time way outsold FM compilation sales that came out at the same time.

What planet are you living on?

Interesting, where did you get that info?

Exactly. She invented it.

[elle]

Interesting, where did you get that info?

right? :)

i completely forgot about it but stumbled upon it recently again reading one of the threads here on The Ledge, and just googled it to find it for you again (you are welcome! :wavey:) -


Lindsey Buckingham's Solo Anthology released on October 5, 2018 - peak US chart position #53 on Billboard 200
Fleetwood Mac's 50 Years – Don't Stop that November 16, 2018 - peak US chart position #65 on Billboard 200


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_Anthology:_The_Best_of_Lindsey_Buckingham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Years_%E2%80%93_Don%27t_Stop

[elle]

right? :)

i completely forgot about it but stumbled upon it recently again reading one of the threads here on The Ledge, and just googled it to find it for you again (you are welcome! :wavey:) -


Lindsey Buckingham's Solo Anthology released on October 5, 2018 - peak US chart position #53 on Billboard 200
Fleetwood Mac's 50 Years – Don't Stop that November 16, 2018 - peak US chart position #65 on Billboard 200


and of course, while the only "new" song on FM compilation was Lindsey-penned Sad Angel (which is why they could call it 50 years), Lindsey's compilation actually had two completely new never heard songs.

there was another factor at play at the time, which i'll let everyone google and find out on their own.

[vivfox]

right? :)

i completely forgot about it but stumbled upon it recently again reading one of the threads here on The Ledge, and just googled it to find it for you again (you are welcome! :wavey:) -


Lindsey Buckingham's Solo Anthology released on October 5, 2018 - peak US chart position #53 on Billboard 200
Fleetwood Mac's 50 Years – Don't Stop that November 16, 2018 - peak US chart position #65 on Billboard 200


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_Anthology:_The_Best_of_Lindsey_Buckingham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Years_%E2%80%93_Don%27t_Stop

You said it sold more copies than Fleetwood Mac did. Maybe it charted higher at the time but it def. did not outsell FM.

[UnwindedDreams]

and of course, while the only "new" song on FM compilation was Lindsey-penned Sad Angel (which is why they could call it 50 years), Lindsey's compilation actually had two completely new never heard songs.


Pretty crazy they couldn't get 1 new song on the 50 Years compilation. The Stones had 2 on their 50 year comp. (Even more on their 40 year comp). The Who had 1 on theirs. Beach Boys.

Azoff's Journey even rerecorded Journey hits for an album in 2008.

What a mess FM is.

[SteveMacD]

right? :)

i completely forgot about it but stumbled upon it recently again reading one of the threads here on The Ledge, and just googled it to find it for you again (you are welcome! :wavey:) -


Lindsey Buckingham's Solo Anthology released on October 5, 2018 - peak US chart position #53 on Billboard 200
Fleetwood Mac's 50 Years – Don't Stop that November 16, 2018 - peak US chart position #65 on Billboard 200


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_Anthology:_The_Best_of_Lindsey_Buckingham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Years_%E2%80%93_Don%27t_Stop
Considering there were already two multi-platinum Rumours-era retrospectives while that was Lindsey’s first and only solo retrospective and it was released when there was a lot of publicity and controversy over his firing while he and the band were on their respective tours, I would be surprised if that hadn’t been the case.

[HomerMcvie]

right? :)

i completely forgot about it but stumbled upon it recently again reading one of the threads here on The Ledge, and just googled it to find it for you again (you are welcome! :wavey:) -


Lindsey Buckingham's Solo Anthology released on October 5, 2018 - peak US chart position #53 on Billboard 200
Fleetwood Mac's 50 Years – Don't Stop that November 16, 2018 - peak US chart position #65 on Billboard 200


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_Anthology:_The_Best_of_Lindsey_Buckingham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Years_%E2%80%93_Don%27t_Stop
That Karma, $he's a bitch. Ain't $he?

[SteveMacD]

I wonder if they included the CDs that they gave away with tickets in those tallies?

[DownOnRodeo]

What were you thinking, elle? You also forgot to take into account the alignment of the celestial spheres. As everyone knows, solo compilations always chart better when Mercury is in retrograde.

[bwboy]

Is there really that big a difference between #53 and #65 in terms of sales? I mean, one album may have peaked higher, but how long were they both in the top 200? Because that is the true measure of sales. Complicating matters, both albums had multiple cds- Solo Anthology came with either one or two discs, while 50 Years came with either one or three discs, so that has to be taken into account. Not to mention that people who bought a concert ticket to Lindsey’s tour automatically got a free cd- did that count toward sales? I doubt it, but this is a funny topic- the Fleetwood Mac album had Lindsey Buckingham songs on it, so I presume he got some money from the release, just like the other members. And considering FM had already released 3 compilations- Greatest Hits, the Chain, and the Very Best- I’m surprised 50 Years charted at all. So trying to determine which compilation sold better is difficult, for all the factors mentioned. Even though I got a free copy of Lindsey’s one disc, I decided to buy the two disc version also. I wanted to show my support and have the live cd as well. I thought sending the cd free to people who bought a concert ticket was genius and generous, and I wish more musicians would do that.

[David]

Pretty crazy they couldn't get 1 new song on the 50 Years compilation. They could even have included a couple of live songs from their tour. That package was a rush job: the mixes were inferior to those on the album deluxe sets and even to The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac (glorious mixes, those). I never even bought it. I spot-picked some of it on Spotify and knew right away it was junk.

What a mess FM is.Oh, yes. But they’re our mess.

[jbrownsjr]

They could even have included a couple of live songs from their tour. That package was a rush job: the mixes were inferior to those on the album deluxe sets and even to The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac (glorious mixes, those). I never even bought it. I spot-picked some of it on Spotify and knew right away it was junk.

Oh, yes. But they’re our mess.

I love the mixes of Very Best!! I used to have that in heavy rotation for my car CD deck. :woohoo:

[elle]

What were you thinking, elle? You also forgot to take into account the alignment of the celestial spheres. As everyone knows, solo compilations always chart better when Mercury is in retrograde.

:]:laugh: right??

btw that 2018 Fleetwood Mac compilation was nominally what was supported by what their new manager labeled as supposedly their most lucrative tour ever (i.e., fans were shamelessly charged the most exorbitantly expensive prices of any FM tour so far).

my original point (which got lost in all the unnecessary back and forth) was that if Lindsey could do well with his 3 CD / 5 record box set, so can Christine, as long as she has the record company behind her. :):nod:


(and yes, Lindsey made money from both compilations, as well as from both LB and FM tours. but unlike some, i am not really interested in how much money these multimillionaire rockers make, i'm more interested in how much we as fans have to pay and what we get for our money.)

[SteveMacD]

btw that 2018 Fleetwood Mac compilation was nominally what was supported by what their new manager labeled as supposedly their most lucrative tour ever.
Which is why they never mentioned it :shrug:

(but unlike some, i am not really interested in how much money these multimillionaire rockers make)
You literally said “ LB's solo compilation sales at the time way outsold FM compilation sales that came out at the same time.”

[aleuzzi]

Pretty crazy they couldn't get 1 new song on the 50 Years compilation. The Stones had 2 on their 50 year comp. (Even more on their 40 year comp). The Who had 1 on theirs. Beach Boys.

Azoff's Journey even rerecorded Journey hits for an album in 2008.

What a mess FM is.

It’s not Mac proper but there is that other CM/LB song that wasn’t used on the record, the one Christine had “high hopes for.”

[SteveMacD]

It’s not Mac proper but there is that other CM/LB song that wasn’t used on the record, the one Christine had “high hopes for.”

I’m sure Neil and Mike have all kinds of leftovers that could have been recorded quickly, too. I don’t know how serious he was, but Neil said in a recent interview that he’s sitting on like ten albums worth of songs.

[aleuzzi]

I’m sure Neil and Mike have all kinds of leftovers that could have been recorded quickly, too. I don’t know how serious he was, but Neil said in a recent interview that he’s sitting on like ten albums worth of songs.

That’s probably true. Personally, I am not terribly interested in what either of those (very good) musicians have to offer in a Fleetwood Mac context, but they are technically part of the fold now, I guess...

[jbrownsjr]

That’s probably true. Personally, I am not terribly interested in what either of those (very good) musicians have to offer in a Fleetwood Mac context, but they are technically part of the fold now, I guess...

Listening to Mike Campbell sing is about the same as Stevie. (Nails on a chalkboard.) I did love his guitar work, but even Oh Well wasn't pleasant listening to him attempt, "Can't help it bout the shape I'm in...." :shocked:

Neil Finn's tune with Goat and Christine was a great tune. Neil can sing. The harmonies of Neil/Goat/Christine worked in the song, "Find Your Way Back Home".

But yea, as far as a FM album with Mike and Neil. Ehhhhh

[elle]

every single musician in FM can have tons and tons of songs to offer. if we learned nothing else from the last 10+ years, that matters next to nothing. SN will put a stop to any and all of it.

people used to think it's because she has a problem with Lindsey. well it's been over 3 years now with no Lindsey "hurdle" and the band still has no new music to offer. Lindsey excuse is now gone. no productive musicians in the band (obviously bs in the first place, with Lindsey and Christine in the band) excuse is gone.

where the problem with no new FM music is coming from should be finally clear now to anyone who was still wondering.

[jbrownsjr]

every single musician in FM can have tons and tons of songs to offer. if we learned nothing else from the last 10+ years, that matters next to nothing. SN will put a stop to any and all of it.

people used to think it's because she has a problem with Lindsey. well it's been over 3 years now with no Lindsey "hurdle" and the band still has no new music to offer. Lindsey excuse is now gone. no productive musicians in the band (obviously bs in the first place, with Lindsey and Christine in the band) excuse is gone.

where the problem with no new FM music is coming from should be finally clear now to anyone who was still wondering.

And the new song she did write was atrocious. The lyrics were embarrassing on so many levels. And in my opinion, it's a peek at just how much of a loon she is. But hey, I'm glad MLK wanted her to perform for her. That really struck my muse like no other. Was it 1960 or 1963? :shocked:

[UnwindedDreams]

And the new song she did write was atrocious. The lyrics were embarrassing on so many levels. And in my opinion, it's a peek at just how much of a loon she is. But hey, I'm glad MLK wanted her to perform for her. That really struck my muse like no other. Was it 1960 or 1963? :shocked:

Or that her performing "a song would set them free":eek:
What in the actual eff?!

I dont recall Chris harmonizing in Find Your Way Home. I think she had her own part singing "Find Your Way", no?
Stevie and Neal harmonized

[SteveMacD]

people used to think it's because she has a problem with Lindsey. well it's been over 3 years now with no Lindsey "hurdle" and the band still has no new music to offer.
Except for the one song that has everyone but Mick and John, which means she’s more open to recording with Neil.

where the problem with no new FM music is coming from should be finally clear now to anyone who was still wondering.
I didn’t think there was a doubt. There was the whole LBCM album as well as Campbell’s comments in the press.

However, I’m no longer convinced it’s just Stevie at this point. I think John has a part in it, now, too. There was an interview with Mick where it was implied that John didn’t do the Pete tribute because it didn’t pay enough for him. Maybe that’s also why he didn’t do the LBCM tour or Neil’s song. Maybe he’s just done and wants to be on his sailboat. I don’t know, but it’s just the vibe I’ve gotten recently.

[jbrownsjr]

I dont recall Chris harmonizing in Find Your Way Home. I think she had her own part singing "Find Your Way", no?
Stevie and Neal harmonized

She's in there. I listened with head phones. She's doing the ohhhhhh's and ahhhhh'ssss and echoing the lead vocal at times. The packaging also says featuring Christine McVie.

[UnwindedDreams]

She's in there. I listened with head phones. She's doing the ohhhhhh's and ahhhhh'ssss and echoing the lead vocal at times. The packaging also says featuring Christine McVie.

Thank you! I know Neil had another bg vocalist on there too according to the credits. I love Chris' "Find Your Way"s. So eerie but sweet.

Stevie actually sent her vocals to Neil. Neil said it took a while for her to respond.

[HomerMcvie]

I think John has a part in it, now, too. There was an interview with Mick where it was implied that John didn’t do the Pete tribute because it didn’t pay enough for him. Maybe that’s also why he didn’t do the LBCM tour or Neil’s song. Maybe he’s just done and wants to be on his sailboat. I don’t know, but it’s just the vibe I’ve gotten recently.

I think he's just old and tired. I don't blame him. I'd take my truckload of money, spend the rest of my days on my boat, and tell them all to kiss it.

[jbrownsjr]

I think he's just old and tired. I don't blame him. I'd take my truckload of money, spend the rest of my days on my boat, and tell them all to kiss it.

Has he ever really wanted to record? It's a pop song, here's my bass, now leave me alone. He's not a writer, so I see his point.

[bwboy]

However, I’m no longer convinced it’s just Stevie at this point. I think John has a part in it, now, too. There was an interview with Mick where it was implied that John didn’t do the Pete tribute because it didn’t pay enough for him. Maybe that’s also why he didn’t do the LBCM tour or Neil’s song. Maybe he’s just done and wants to be on his sailboat. I don’t know, but it’s just the vibe I’ve gotten recently.

I would say John and Michael didn’t tour with Lindsey and Christine for their album because they weren’t invited. Less money to split up, because the tour was on such a smaller scale than a FM tour.

I remember Mick’s comment about why John didn’t participate in the Peter Green tribute concert, and I suspect maybe it wasn’t money so much as maybe John didn’t have any interest. Like he had no… I don’t want to say loyalty, because that sounds harsh, but whereas Mick has always been generous about Peter’s legacy in FM, I’ve never had the impression John felt the same way. I was shocked when I saw John wasn’t participating in the concert, because I figured he and Peter must have been friends, but that’s not necessarily true. Very classy of Christine and Rick to be there, and Rick did an incredible job!

[UnwindedDreams]

I would say John and Michael didn’t tour with Lindsey and Christine for their album because they weren’t invited. Less money to split up, because the tour was on such a smaller scale than a FM tour.


I think it was so to separate it from Fleetwood Mac and out of respect to Stevie.

[HomerMcvie]

I think it was so to separate it from Fleetwood Mac and out of respect to Stevie.
I don't think they respect her. AT ALL. They tolerate her, because $he's the A$$ who puts the A$$E$ in the $eats.

[UnwindedDreams]

I don't think they respect her. AT ALL. They tolerate her, because $he's the A$$ who puts the A$$E$ in the $eats.
The fact that Stevie wasn't at Peter Green tribute given she sang his song every night from 2018-2019 might make your statement ring true.

Steven Tyler was there and he sang so it's not like it was musicians only.

And when Peter passed, Stevie wrote how she always tried to perform on stage with him.

[HomerMcvie]

And when Peter passed, Stevie wrote how she always tried to perform on stage with him.

That's because $he's a liar. $he spews her crap, and expects her lesions of fans to suck it up and believe it.

[jbrownsjr]

John doesn't care enough to rehearse, travel and perform to be part of another production that takes more of his energy.

Goat has no business singing any Peter Green song ever. Her version of BMW was like a hissing cat.

Christine had an opportunity to guest and have an activity to something which she was part of and came from. In her 70's, she's done 2 Major tours, a BuckVie album and tour, and Mick's Tribute to Peter. Good on her. Hopefully, she's worked on something for herself. Here's hoping.

Mick put together, in my opinion, an excellent set of musicians. The performances I saw where really good. I wish he'd pay that much respect to Welch. "Ain't gonna happen."

[SteveMacD]

John doesn't care enough to rehearse, travel and perform to be part of another production that takes more of his energy.
Plus, I think Pete kind of smarted off to him in later years, which, in addition to what you said, probably made it even less desirable for him.

Goat has no business singing any Peter Green song ever. Her version of BMW was like a hissing cat.
Still better than Clapton (https://youtu.be/9cF4gBGw0Nc). Especially with Christine and Mike playing off each other. It felt like a Bare Trees era live bootleg.

Christine had an opportunity to guest and have an activity to something which she was part of and came from. In her 70's, she's done 2 Major tours, a BuckVie album and tour, and Mick's Tribute to Peter. Good on her. Hopefully, she's worked on something for herself. Here's hoping.
It made me wish she would have been doing that since she came back. Not just reclaiming her spot in the Rumours band, but also reminding everyone she was part of the original band in some way, too.

Mick put together, in my opinion, an excellent set of musicians. The performances I saw where really good. I wish he'd pay that much respect to Welch. "Ain't gonna happen."
Well, the there’d only be few hundred of us at the Roxy and the only people who’d do it outside of Fleetwood Mac or his solo band are Ann Wilson and Sammy Hagar.

[jbrownsjr]

Maybe we have slightly different taste, (I know we like a lot of the same things.) But, Clapton wasn't nasal, didn't sound forced, had some nifty ac. guitar work, fantastic keys, and a cool outro!

I will give the FM band an excellent review in 2018/2019. They band jammed it. Mike did a fantastic job and inspired Christine. But IMO goat ruined that song with her ehhhhhhhhhhh nasal tone quality.

As for Bob Welch, I supposed you're right. But with good marketing, and the right guest stars, a one off could make that a cool novelty. It's all about packaging these days. Plus, we could finally meet.

[bwboy]

Maybe we have slightly different taste, (I know we like a lot of the same things.) But, Clapton wasn't nasal, didn't sound forced, had some nifty ac. guitar work, fantastic keys, and a cool outro!

I will give the FM band an excellent review in 2018/2019. They band jammed it. Mike did a fantastic job and inspired Christine. But IMO goat ruined that song with her ehhhhhhhhhhh nasal tone quality.

As for Bob Welch, I supposed you're right. But with good marketing, and the right guest stars, a one off could make that a cool novelty. It's all about packaging these days. Plus, we could finally meet.

I would love a tribute concert for Bob Welch, but I don’t think Christine would participate, which would be really unfortunate since she was such an important part of that lineup. Hearing Neil sing Hypnotized and Sentimental Lady would be great!

When I saw FM for their last tour, I was blown away. It really was a fantastic show. Christine really surprised me with her stage presence and rapport with Mike and Stevie. It made for a different kind of FM experience, that’s for sure. Black Magic Woman was pretty impressive for me, maybe seeing Stevie sing it live was different than watching it on YouTube? I mean, I recognized that Gypsy sounded awful, but BMW was great. Maybe because I was subconsciously comparing the Gypsy version from that tour with earlier versions, when she had a great voice. Whereas with BMW, there was nothing to compare it with because it was new hearing Stevie sing it.

[Macfan4life]

I would love a tribute concert for Bob Welch, but I don’t think Christine would participate, which would be really unfortunate since she was such an important part of that lineup. Hearing Neil sing Hypnotized and Sentimental Lady would be great!

When I saw FM for their last tour, I was blown away. It really was a fantastic show. Christine really surprised me with her stage presence and rapport with Mike and Stevie. It made for a different kind of FM experience, that’s for sure. Black Magic Woman was pretty impressive for me, maybe seeing Stevie sing it live was different than watching it on YouTube? I mean, I recognized that Gypsy sounded awful, but BMW was great. Maybe because I was subconsciously comparing the Gypsy version from that tour with earlier versions, when she had a great voice. Whereas with BMW, there was nothing to compare it with because it was new hearing Stevie sing it.
I think you were hypnotized by the black magic woman

[jbrownsjr]

I would love a tribute concert for Bob Welch, but I don’t think Christine would participate, which would be really unfortunate since she was such an important part of that lineup. Hearing Neil sing Hypnotized and Sentimental Lady would be great!

When I saw FM for their last tour, I was blown away. It really was a fantastic show. Christine really surprised me with her stage presence and rapport with Mike and Stevie. It made for a different kind of FM experience, that’s for sure. Black Magic Woman was pretty impressive for me, maybe seeing Stevie sing it live was different than watching it on YouTube? I mean, I recognized that Gypsy sounded awful, but BMW was great. Maybe because I was subconsciously comparing the Gypsy version from that tour with earlier versions, when she had a great voice. Whereas with BMW, there was nothing to compare it with because it was new hearing Stevie sing it.

I saw BMW live and on YOUTUBE and thought both were atrocious. Gypsy was really really bad, too.

I too would love a Welch tribute. I think Christine would participate. She's become quite the yes lady since recent events

[jbrownsjr]

I think you were hypnotized by the black magic woman

I think you were Sugared by a Black Magic Daddy.

[Macfan4life]

I think you were Sugared by a Black Magic Daddy.
If I get a little hungry, he can give me all I can eat

[jbrownsjr]

If I get a little hungry, he can give me all I can eat

I do like my whiskey served neat... God! Christine is hilarious and genius sometimes. :lol:

[vivfox]

I too would love a Welch tribute. I think Christine would participate. She's become quite the yes lady since recent events

I guess you forgot how Christine barred Mick from inviting Bob Welch to the FM induction into the R&R Hall of Fame.

[HomerMcvie]

I guess you forgot how Christine barred Mick from inviting Bob Welch to the FM induction into the R&R Hall of Fame.

Which was the beginning of me pulling her application I'd submitted for her, nominating her for "The Greatest Woman That Ever Lived".

Then not standing up for Lindsey, when the goat got him fired...She's either spineless, or heartless. Or just doesn't GAF.

[Macfan4life]

Which was the beginning of me pulling her application I'd submitted for her, nominating her for "The Greatest Woman That Ever Lived".

Then not standing up for Lindsey, when the goat got him fired...She's either spineless, or heartless. Or just doesn't GAF.
She has and will always yield to Oh Mack Daddy. Even when he was going bankrupt she paid his bills for a month.

[jbrownsjr]

Which was the beginning of me pulling her application I'd submitted for her, nominating her for "The Greatest Woman That Ever Lived".

Then not standing up for Lindsey, when the goat got him fired...She's either spineless, or heartless. Or just doesn't GAF.

Blame it on my... blame it on my.... blame it on my wild goat...

[HomerMcvie]

Blame it on my... blame it on my.... blame it on my wild goat...
An oldie but a goatee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms

WHO can listen to that and not smile?