Lindsey on Marc Maron

[UnwindedDreams]

Click here (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0Iotsf5eC7nM9eCpzO0atJ?si=RYCHW-eQTxe4rV5LDokIcw&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1&nd=1)

I'm going to listen now!

Marc was great in Joker.

[DownOnRodeo]

Thanks for sharing it.

For those who want to maintain their sanity: Lindsey's interview starts at the 10:30 minute mark.

Edit: Even the interview itself is hard to listen to. He doesn't give Lindsey a chance to answer before jumping in with the next question. Upon establishing that Lindsey's father died of a heart attack, he asks Lindsey whether he's been for a check-up recently! He also thinks Lindsey left after Tusk and had to recover from alcoholism. And that Stevie wrote YMLF.

[DashingDan]

So hard to listen to, despite the fact that Lindsey seems to be in a very good mood, mellow, and not over-intellectualizing his answers.

[bombaysaffires]

Thanks for sharing it.

For those who want to maintain their sanity: Lindsey's interview starts at the 10:30 minute mark.

Edit: Even the interview itself is hard to listen to. He doesn't give Lindsey a chance to answer before jumping in with the next question. Upon establishing that Lindsey's father died of a heart attack, he asks Lindsey whether he's been for a check-up recently! He also thinks Lindsey left after Tusk and had to recover from alcoholism. And that Stevie wrote YMLF.

yeah Maron was never the best listener (comics often are too busy thinking of what they're going to say next or how to make a joke) but he's gotten worse over time. He's done like 6 million of these interviews and probably everyone starts to sound pretty similar but geez..... do SOME homework, or have an assistant give you an effing briefing. He also plays guitar a little, and fancies himself part of the guitarist club.

[elle]

i just listened. i really really enjoyed that! i enjoyed Marc Marron making it so conversational and making Lindsey stop and get away from his normal cycletalk and having to actually answer some questions off the cuff. it was very refreshing.

i like it also that he's obviously keeping in touch with Judd Appatow, Fred Armisen, and that whole crew. i have long been convinced that Fred Arnisen was the one who cooked up recurring LB on what's up with that and that he's a long time fan of LB's music. so i love that they all seem to keep chatting and hanging out and keeping in touch.

[sue]

I enjoyed the interview, too.
It was nice to hear Lindsey talking without using his go to vocabulary.
He only mentioned the big machine once.

There will definitely be some kind of final concert(s) from what he was saying…

[UnwindedDreams]

There will definitely be some kind of final concert(s) from what he was saying…

Sue, I disagree here. He said he didn't know if a reunion was doable.
Recall he said he wants Stevie to be happy which was in the context of Marc saying it would've been horrible if Stevie hadn't reached out to him after his bypass.

He knows Stevie being happy is never seeing him again.

It's too bad Fed Pol won't be on the LB tour.

[sue]

Sue, I disagree here. He said he didn't know if a reunion was doable.
Recall he said he wants Stevie to be happy which was in the context of Marc saying it would've been horrible if Stevie hadn't reached out to him after his bypass.

He knows Stevie being happy is never seeing him again.

It's too bad Fed Pol won't be on the LB tour.

You’re right…he did say whether a reunion was doable…??
I’ve just got a feeling that a reunion of sorts will take place…

[HomerMcvie]

I’ve just got a feeling that a reunion of sorts will take place…

Maybe he could wear a dog collar, and $tevie could have him on a leash.

:p

[sue]

Maybe he could wear a dog collar, and $tevie could have him on a leash.

:p

Maybe Stevie could be zoomed, and wouldn’t have to get onstage with Lindsey.

[anusha]

I actually liked this interview a lot. Maron is at times unlistenable, but like many have said, his approach drew a lot more interesting stuff from Lindsey, and, more importantly, gave me, at least, a better vibe for how Lindsey is doing these days.

It seems like he's trying to work out the issues in his marriage and maybe has some tension with one (or more) of the kids in the teen/20s years -- that does happen, especially if there is conflict between the parents (and over the years, their mom has been the more present one as LB has toured a lot).

I loved the vibe that LB (and his family) are part of that whole Apatow/Largo scene with Armisen and Maron and all those creative people. I don't live in LA, but I love so many of the Largo regulars (Jon Brion, Aimee Mann), and it warms my heart to see LB in the thick of that really creative, interesting crowd. One of the best shows I ever saw was more than 20 years ago -- Jon Brion at Largo (on Fairfax) where Neil Finn showed up and played requests (including That's What I Call Love on the first CH album where NF was calling out the chord changes for the band -- amazing).

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure LB was and can still be challenging to get along with, especially when it comes to making musical decisions (I would love to see less processing on his vocals, but he's not budging!). But he spoke about Mick, and so many of the other folks he came up with (Javier, Waddy, Keith) with real warmth, and even made a point not to get into anything about Stevie other than wishing her well. I'm not sure I agree with the level of forgiveness or tolerance he has for Mick/Christine, frankly, because I was around for the post-Tango period where they both gave media interviews (and Mick's book) that really put Lindsey down. But I don't know these people and I don't have 43 years with them, so that's his choice.

I always felt his statements about protecting the legacy of FM were kind of publicist speak, but somehow hearing him talk about it this time really hit home for me. I was never someone who thought that all was patched up during The Dance and that the band was all hunky dory. But somehow, this last firing opened the door on seeing just how dysfunctional it continued to be for most of the last 24 years (to say nothing of the 20 years before), and it really did tarnish the legacy for me. I am left very cynical about the band and anything they do going forward. They sold us all on this being about family and relationships and love and anger and forgiveness and all those things for so many years, that realizing that it was mostly about money makes it hard for me to get behind now. At least The Eagles never pretended it was anything else.

[bombaysaffires]

there was a lot of good stuff, but there were times esp when talking about the BN days where I wanted to smack Mark to STFU and let LB finish a thought

Like he started to say several times "I think back on those days and.." and he'd get cut off with "When did Mick start effing Stevie?" (i'm paraphrasing)

it seemed like he finally got his thought out after umpteen tries and was saying that it all seems sort if predestined or something.

he also started to say something about how supportive his parents were and Maron blabbed right over it.. he started to say "my parents were so supportive that...." and I'm guessing he was going to say that they were so supportive they let the band rehearse at his house (didn't I hear him say that somewhere else?)

Marc doesn't listen a lot he just asks inane questions or talks to show how smart he is. If this weren't LB I wouldn't have stayed with it.

Lindsey was oddly super super reluctant in the discussion of what happened with the band. "Someone didn't want to work with me anymore" "Someone did x" He did work in the comment that other people were "weak". He very quickly acknowledged that he'd asked for some time to tour his solo stuff but then got very blurry and unclear about what all else happened.... And then "someone said they didn't ever want to work with me again"

Curiously he did refer to Mick as his "soulmate" which seemed a bit....much to me. And kind of funny since Stevie has said that about Mick and her as well.

When talking about his relationship with stevie in the early days prior to FM he kinda weaved and bobbed around specifics but talked abut they had some problems even then and there were some......and then he did a few long pauses...... before saying there were some "disappointments" in the relationship but then they got back together anyway and clearly he was referencing her stepping out on him with other people.

There were a couple of quotes I wanted to run past the group to hear people's thoughts but didn't have time.

[UnwindedDreams]

Lindsey was oddly super super reluctant in the discussion of what happened with the band. He very quickly acknowledged that he'd asked for some time to tour his solo stuff but then got very blurry and unclear about what all else happened.... And then "someone said they didn't ever want to work with me again"


Having read the UNCUT interview before I listened to this, I gather the "what all else happened" is after Stevie was told he wanted to tour his solo project, she probably said to him or to others that Lindsey doesn't get to delay our plans and say when FM can tour. She probably said you all ride my coattails because I put butts in the seats so I say when we can tour.
Lindsey probably shot back and told her that she didn't get to be Stevie Nicks in capital letters on her own because only he, Stevie's parents, and Tom ever talked to her that way. Iovine talked tough to her but when's the last time he worked with her?
Stevie holds a grudge so she probably let these comments made sizzle in her mind and kept thinking of a way to get him fired. She documented his every move at MusiCares, found something to be offended by, then called Irving

[sue]

A funny line, from the interview
Marc Marin, says…”so you used a drum machine ?” and he continued….
.”is that because Mick was trashed “..
Lindsey replied ..Er No..

[cbBen]

When talking about his relationship with stevie in the early days prior to FM he kinda weaved and bobbed around specifics but talked abut they had some problems even then.

Can't recall where, but Stevie said somehere that their relationship was on the rocks even so far back as when they joined FM.

[blinker12]

When talking about his relationship with stevie in the early days prior to FM he kinda weaved and bobbed around specifics but talked abut they had some problems even then and there were some......and then he did a few long pauses...... before saying there were some "disappointments" in the relationship but then they got back together anyway and clearly he was referencing her stepping out on him with other people.

You pulled out a lot of the moments that stuck with me, too, including this one. I guess it’s just as likely Lindsey was the one responsible for the disappointments, right? Or maybe most likely of all, they were cheating on each other in a sort of retaliatory spiral. And “packin’ up/shack in’ up’s all you wanna do”… was Stevie disappointed in his lack of commitment?

Another part that stuck with me was Lindsey saying he needed to be the band’s musical leader - that was what he realized in the early days, and then he referenced making Christine change the bridge of “Over My Head.” I think his fatal flaw is that he’s continued to see himself that way. At some point (probably after Tusk) he needed to experiment with the idea that he didn’t have all the answers, and invite the women in the band to inform his work as much as he was informing theirs. The fact that he’s never done that (so far as I can tell) has created an icky and very retro gender imbalance.

I kind of love and hate Maron’s interview style. He does interrupt a lot, but it keeps the subject a little off balance - and therefore off script.

[bombaysaffires]

You pulled out a lot of the moments that stuck with me, too, including this one. I guess it’s just as likely Lindsey was the one responsible for the disappointments, right? Or maybe most likely of all, they were cheating on each other in a sort of retaliatory spiral. And “packin’ up/shack in’ up’s all you wanna do”… was Stevie disappointed in his lack of commitment?

Another part that stuck with me was Lindsey saying he needed to be the band’s musical leader - that was what he realized in the early days, and then he referenced making Christine change the bridge of “Over My Head.” I think his fatal flaw is that he’s continued to see himself that way. At some point (probably after Tusk) he needed to experiment with the idea that he didn’t have all the answers, and invite the women in the band to inform his work as much as he was informing theirs. The fact that he’s never done that (so far as I can tell) has created an icky and very retro gender imbalance.

I kind of love and hate Maron’s interview style. He does interrupt a lot, but it keeps the subject a little off balance - and therefore off script.

sure it's possible. I was referencing the fact that Stevie has stated that she cheated on Lindsey (and other partners). It came up in the context of being forgiven and 'taken back'.

I think he dominated, or tried to, the playing of EVERYONE in the band. He and John notoriously butted heads in the early years because Lindsey kept telling him what / how to play. John did not tolerate it. :distress:

[Villavic]

Can't recall where, but Stevie said somehere that their relationship was on the rocks even so far back as when they joined FM.

It is mentioned in Mick's first book when he tells about the beggining of the Rumours recording sessions.

Stevie has also said that the relationship between her and Lindsey was already a bit rocky when they joined the band. As Stevie started to express herself more, as she became a star, things didn't get any better. These were the less-than-ideal conditions under which Fleetwood Mac began to record our next album. People who knew us were agog. After all, it isn't so unusual for a couple in a band to break up. But both couples? And me? It was ironic.

[bombaysaffires]

It is mentioned in Mick's first book when he tells about the beggining of the Rumours recording sessions.

Stevie has also said that the relationship between her and Lindsey was already a bit rocky when they joined the band. As Stevie started to express herself more, as she became a star, things didn't get any better. These were the less-than-ideal conditions under which Fleetwood Mac began to record our next album. People who knew us were agog. After all, it isn't so unusual for a couple in a band to break up. But both couples? And me? It was ironic.

she also talked about it in interviews early in her solo career. during interviews for bella donna she said the two of them were breaking up when they joined the band, but couldn't;t do both at the same time, it was too much upheaval. So they stayed together for another year. She stated a lot started going well for them during that year which made it easier-- the first FM album was selling well, they were touring, starting to get their songs on the radio, they were making good money and all that, so they were in a happier place. But then they realized (or she did) that having all that success didn't make the issues in the relationship go away or any better and so they split up.

[elle]

part / most of the interview posted on Marc Maron's youtube channel -

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[sue]

Can't recall where, but Stevie said somehere that their relationship was on the rocks even so far back as when they joined FM.

She says that their relationship was really rocky as they joined FM in the BBC documentary…Don’t Stop.

[BigAl84]

What's really annoying is Maron used to let people talk or let there be pauses. That was what made him different. This interview was the complete opposite. It was also really clear that he only scratched the surface when doing his pre-interview research. No, he didn't leave after Tusk..WTH!?

[jbrownsjr]

What's really annoying is Maron used to let people talk or let there be pauses. That was what made him different. This interview was the complete opposite. It was also really clear that he only scratched the surface when doing his pre-interview research. No, he didn't leave after Tusk..WTH!?

And he was quick to slam the Welch era without really giving it a listen. He said Christine was "amazing" or a similar word. However, had he listened to some of her material on those albums, he might have been educated a bit more.

Was a bit sad to hear Lindsey slam the Welch era. He talks about sales not being there. They sold enough to be a going concern. I'd rather make $100K a year in 1973 than $0. Plus, that music is really good. Christine, John and Mick don't get a lot of credit for how good of musicians they are as a trio together to keep that sound and style. It's a common thread.

[bombaysaffires]

And he was quick to slam the Welch era without really giving it a listen. He said Christine was "amazing" or a similar word. However, had he listened to some of her material on those albums, he might have been educated a bit more.

Was a bit sad to hear Lindsey slam the Welch era. He talks about sales not being there. They sold enough to be a going concern. I'd rather make $100K a year in 1973 than $0. Plus, that music is really good. Christine, John and Mick don't get a lot of credit for how good of musicians they are as a trio together to keep that sound and style. It's a common thread.

yes I was disappointed he wasn't supportive at all really of Bob.

And kind of ironic that he uses sales as a metric for the success (or lack thereof) of the Welch era (which he's done a lot over the years) when he then claims he doesn't see sales as the metric of artistic success.
:eek:

[David]

she also talked about it in interviews early in her solo career. during interviews for bella donna she said the two of them were breaking up when they joined the band, but couldn't;t do both at the same time, it was too much upheaval. So they stayed together for another year. She stated a lot started going well for them during that year which made it easier-- the first FM album was selling well, they were touring, starting to get their songs on the radio, they were making good money and all that, so they were in a happier place. But then they realized (or she did) that having all that success didn't make the issues in the relationship go away or any better and so they split up. Yep, she admitted to all that — was that the Denny Somach radio interviews? There is also the surprising little story she told about the origin of the song “Destiny” on the 1994 tour. First time we all heard it. She fell in love with somebody in the Bay Area while she and Lindsey were (at least geographically) separated, and she apparently very seriously considered staying with her new love for good. Something drove her back to LA and to Buckingham Nicks, at least musically. This was in 1973.

If you define “together” as really committed to each other and more or less in love, I don’t think Lindsey and Stevie were together very long — two or three years at most. This despite how the relationship has been framed in the public eye.

[Villavic]

I found this at Mick's book too:

At the time, she said something in a joking way about Lindsey being more interested in his guitar than he was in her, and she got tired of it and left. There was some conflict, I recall, about the "crackin' up, shackin' up" line in "Go Your Own Way," which Stevie felt was unfair and Lindsey felt strongly about.

Much later, Stevie made her perspective clear to me:
"Suppose Lindsey wasn't playing well on a particular song or something," she said. "As his girlfriend, I should be a comfort to him, right? You know: 'Who cares about it? You're great anyway!' I mean, that's what old ladies do for their men, right? But I couldn't, because I was also frustrated and saying, 'Look, if you could just get your guitar part tight, we could put the vocal on.' I'd be pissed off at him too. There was no way we could get any comfort from each other about what went on in the band. There was no love, because everybody was too nervous. And while we were traveling all the time, none of us had other friends to talk to...."

[sleepless child]

After listening to this interview I still think Lindsey is a pretty good guy despite all the things said about him. If you put it in perspective of those past years, there was a lot of drugs and alcohol at play. He still loves Mick despite his not having his back. And saying he wants Stevie to be happy. It is heart breaking

[UnwindedDreams]

After listening to this interview I still think Lindsey is a pretty good guy despite all the things said about him.
By things said about him, you mean the "abusing done by him" as Vanessa Carlton said?

I just think Mick or Christine would've demanded him fired had that been true.

[bombaysaffires]

I found this at Mick's book too:

At the time, she said something in a joking way about Lindsey being more interested in his guitar than he was in her, and she got tired of it and left. There was some conflict, I recall, about the "crackin' up, shackin' up" line in "Go Your Own Way," which Stevie felt was unfair and Lindsey felt strongly about.

Much later, Stevie made her perspective clear to me:
"Suppose Lindsey wasn't playing well on a particular song or something," she said. "As his girlfriend, I should be a comfort to him, right? You know: 'Who cares about it? You're great anyway!' I mean, that's what old ladies do for their men, right? But I couldn't, because I was also frustrated and saying, 'Look, if you could just get your guitar part tight, we could put the vocal on.' I'd be pissed off at him too. There was no way we could get any comfort from each other about what went on in the band. There was no love, because everybody was too nervous. And while we were traveling all the time, none of us had other friends to talk to...."



Ok well here's the accuracy and reliability of Mick's book--- that's a direct quote out of a published interview she did. Verbatim. His books, esp the 2nd one, are a whole lotta pulling quotes from other people's articles. (I think this was ripped out of a RS article, but maybe someone else has a better memory than me)

Oh, and that isn't the line in the song. Mick should be aware of the actual lyrics to a song they've been playing since 1977. And even if he's not, his ghostwriter should actually earn whatever they've been paid by checking really simple facts.

[Villavic]

After listening to this interview I still think Lindsey is a pretty good guy despite all the things said about him. If you put it in perspective of those past years, there was a lot of drugs and alcohol at play. He still loves Mick despite his not having his back. And saying he wants Stevie to be happy. It is heart breaking

Still considering Mick as a friend, yes that says a good thing about Lindsey. About Stevie, to me it's just a line. That doesn't necessarily imply he is a pretty good guy. I don't think he is a bad guy at all, my point is that it's just a line and I don't know if he really feels that. I wouldn't criticize him if he really doesn't want Stevie to be happy, or just don't give a damn, and said that just to be polite. Everyone wishes world peace.

[jbrownsjr]

Still considering Mick as a friend, yes that says a good thing about Lindsey. About Stevie, to me it's just a line. That doesn't necessarily imply he is a pretty good guy. I don't think he is a bad guy at all, my point is that it's just a line and I don't know if he really feels that. I wouldn't criticize him if he really doesn't want Stevie to be happy, or just don't give a damn, and said that just to be polite. Everyone wishes world peace.

Listen to the tone and inflection of his voice when he says it. It sounded forced to me. Like when he had to talk about Christine after she left the band.

[sweetdudejim]

I'm a huge Maron fan and obviously a huge Lindsey fan of course, being here.

First off, I too was a bit surprised when Marc (and then Lindsey) slagged off the Welch era. Only a bit though. I'll explain about that in a moment. But firstly, I did find it amusing that Lindsey said he had Then Play On and Kiln House because believe it or not those are the two pre-Buckingham Nicks Fleetwood Mac albums in my collection. So that was kinda cool to me.

Now as to why I wasn't totally surprised about Lindsey kind of agreeing with Maron about the Bob Welch years was that besides "Hypnotized" I don't think Lindsey has touched a Welch song on stage. He's done some Green tunes, some Kirwan stuff and whatnot. And I even remember reading something about how he produced Welch's solo "Sentimental Lady" recording as something of a "favor" (most likely to Mick). I just think for whatever reason, Bob's music perhaps just never resonated with Lindsey. Or maybe it was Bob himself. Who knows. It was a bit surprisingly though because Lindsey is usually very magnanimous, even holding his tongue on Ms. Stephanie Nicks much more than he probably has to.

I also must say I found it funny that Maron talked about Lindsey doing "dance music." I knew what he meant - he was speaking of the very '80s, very electronic Go Insane period, but I had just never heard it described that way. But I suppose the description isn't totally off base. A lot of those songs would likely work better in a club atmosphere than pretty much anything else Lindsey has ever released. All this said, I must say I love Go Insane and think pretty much every era of Lindsey's career has stuff that I highly recommend. And it looks like this new album is gonna provide more.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm a huge Maron fan and obviously a huge Lindsey fan of course, being here.

First off, I too was a bit surprised when Marc (and then Lindsey) slagged off the Welch era. Only a bit though. I'll explain about that in a moment. But firstly, I did find it amusing that Lindsey said he had Then Play On and Kiln House because believe it or not those are the two pre-Buckingham Nicks Fleetwood Mac albums in my collection. So that was kinda cool to me.

Now as to why I wasn't totally surprised about Lindsey kind of agreeing with Maron about the Bob Welch years was that besides "Hypnotized" I don't think Lindsey has touched a Welch song on stage. He's done some Green tunes, some Kirwan stuff and whatnot. And I even remember reading something about how he produced Welch's solo "Sentimental Lady" recording as something of a "favor" (most likely to Mick). I just think for whatever reason, Bob's music perhaps just never resonated with Lindsey. Or maybe it was Bob himself. Who knows. It was a bit surprisingly though because Lindsey is usually very magnanimous, even holding his tongue on Ms. Stephanie Nicks much more than he probably has to.

I also must say I found it funny that Maron talked about Lindsey doing "dance music." I knew what he meant - he was speaking of the very '80s, very electronic Go Insane period, but I had just never heard it described that way. But I suppose the description isn't totally off base. A lot of those songs would likely work better in a club atmosphere than pretty much anything else Lindsey has ever released. All this said, I must say I love Go Insane and think pretty much every era of Lindsey's career has stuff that I highly recommend. And it looks like this new album is gonna provide more.

Lindsey did Hypnotized in their early days. I've got audio of it.

[sweetdudejim]

Lindsey did Hypnotized in their early days. I've got audio of it.

I know he did. That's why I wrote this (bolded part most importantly included):

Now as to why I wasn't totally surprised about Lindsey kind of agreeing with Maron about the Bob Welch years was that besides "Hypnotized" I don't think Lindsey has touched a Welch song on stage.

And I've got audio of it too. It's part of the self-titled box set!

Not being mean at all. Just pointing out that I was aware of all this!

[HomerMcvie]

I know he did. That's why I wrote this (bolded part most importantly included):



And I've got audio of it too. It's part of the self-titled box set!

Not being mean at all. Just pointing out that I was aware of all this!

Sorry, it's worded awkwardly, imo. At least if English is your first language. I've read it several times, and the meaning is unclear, to me at least.

[DownOnRodeo]

sweetdudejim's post is clear to me. That's cool that there's a Lindsey performance of Hypnotized. Just listened to this rendition now for the first time. Let's just say... I can see why he was keen to sing his own songs!

[sweetdudejim]

Sorry, it's worded awkwardly, imo. At least if English is your first language. I've read it several times, and the meaning is unclear, to me at least.

Perhaps the wording was a bit unclear. The sentence was a bit of a run-on. But yeah, English is indeed my first language. I don’t post a lot here for whatever reason but wanted to pitch in on this topic. However after this exchange, I’m getting the feeling I’m not welcome here. Yeesh.

[HomerMcvie]

Perhaps the wording was a bit unclear. The sentence was a bit of a run-on. But yeah, English is indeed my first language. I don’t post a lot here for whatever reason but wanted to pitch in on this topic. However after this exchange, I’m getting the feeling I’m not welcome here. Yeesh.

Well then you're just being silly and hyper sensitive.

[David]

Now as to why I wasn't totally surprised about Lindsey kind of agreeing with Maron about the Bob Welch years was that besides "Hypnotized" I don't think Lindsey has touched a Welch song on stage. He's done some Green tunes, some Kirwan stuff and whatnot. And I even remember reading something about how he produced Welch's solo "Sentimental Lady" recording as something of a "favor" (most likely to Mick). I just think for whatever reason, Bob's music perhaps just never resonated with Lindsey.

You’re right. I think Jim Ladd the KMET DJ was talking to Lindsey on the radio in 1981 for Law and Order, and Lindsey told Ladd that he just wasn’t comfortable singing Bob Welch songs (he called them “breathy”) but that he loved singing and playing Peter Green, particularly “Oh Well.” The band kept “Hypnotized” in the set for a couple of years, but Lindsey at some point must have said to finally drop it. “Hypnotized” is this kind of zone song, anyway (maybe a little like “Sara”), and you just can’t reach that zone in a crowded, noisy arena. I don’t the think the song ever worked live in any band incarnation as well as the album. The performance with the Crowded House singer was pretty good thanks to twenty musicians all contributing with little bits of filigree, but you still had the arena noise to contend with. “Hypnotized” is solitude and meditative — nobody can meditate at a rock concert these days.

[David]

sweetdudejim's post is clear to me. That's cool that there's a Lindsey performance of Hypnotized. Just listened to this rendition now for the first time. Let's just say... I can see why he was keen to sing his own songs!
I thought maybe there would be at least one Bob Welch song from his years in Fleetwood that would be suitable for Lindsey in concert, but after reviewing the track lists, there really isn’t even one, not even burning rockers like “Miles Away” or melodic things like “Silver Heels” (which early Elton John could have covered). The style and personality of Bob’s work are another universe from Lindsey.

[sweetdudejim]

Well then you're just being silly and hyper sensitive.

Understood. And also, I’m sorry that you couldn’t understand my writing even though other posters seemed to have no problem whatsoever with it! Have a great day! Get well soon!

[HomerMcvie]

Understood. And also, I’m sorry that you couldn’t understand my writing even though other posters seemed to have no problem whatsoever with it! Have a great day! Get well soon!

Whatevs. I found the flow of your sentence difficult to follow. Sh*t happens. Hood rats understand gibberish that I'd never begin to comprehend, and that's not a bad thing in my book.
I hope you get well soon.

[kenzo]

Understood. And also, I’m sorry that you couldn’t understand my writing even though other posters seemed to have no problem whatsoever with it! Have a great day! Get well soon!

There's a few members here that post a lot and try to feel good about themselves by putting others down.
I've used the 'ignore' function a few times to improve the "constructive discussion" experience; sounds like you found one of the few on my list.

https://i.imgur.com/jeg8lob.jpg

[bwboy]

I'm a huge Maron fan and obviously a huge Lindsey fan of course, being here.

First off, I too was a bit surprised when Marc (and then Lindsey) slagged off the Welch era. Only a bit though. I'll explain about that in a moment. But firstly, I did find it amusing that Lindsey said he had Then Play On and Kiln House because believe it or not those are the two pre-Buckingham Nicks Fleetwood Mac albums in my collection. So that was kinda cool to me.

Now as to why I wasn't totally surprised about Lindsey kind of agreeing with Maron about the Bob Welch years was that besides "Hypnotized" I don't think Lindsey has touched a Welch song on stage. He's done some Green tunes, some Kirwan stuff and whatnot. And I even remember reading something about how he produced Welch's solo "Sentimental Lady" recording as something of a "favor" (most likely to Mick). I just think for whatever reason, Bob's music perhaps just never resonated with Lindsey. Or maybe it was Bob himself. Who knows. It was a bit surprisingly though because Lindsey is usually very magnanimous, even holding his tongue on Ms. Stephanie Nicks much more than he probably has to.

I also must say I found it funny that Maron talked about Lindsey doing "dance music." I knew what he meant - he was speaking of the very '80s, very electronic Go Insane period, but I had just never heard it described that way. But I suppose the description isn't totally off base. A lot of those songs would likely work better in a club atmosphere than pretty much anything else Lindsey has ever released. All this said, I must say I love Go Insane and think pretty much every era of Lindsey's career has stuff that I highly recommend. And it looks like this new album is gonna provide more.

Excellent post, sweetjimdude. I hate that your contribution was overshadowed by pettiness. I’m not familiar with much of Bob Welch’s FM material beyond Hypnotized, which I think is a classic. Neil Finn did a fine job singing it and I was so disappointed the song was dropped by the time I saw FM. Lindsey sang it very well, also. I’ve always thought it would be cool and surprising if FM whipped out Sentimental Lady live, I think the audience would be like “WTH” in a good way.

I’m not sure yet about Lindsey’s new cd- the first two songs haven’t excited me much, although the second single caught my ear more than the first. Your excitement for it has got me thinking I will buy it, though.

[HomerMcvie]

There's a few members here that post a lot and try to feel good about themselves by putting others down.
I've used the 'ignore' function a few times to improve the "constructive discussion" experience; sounds like you found one of the few

There is a handful of $tevie worshippers that can't accept that quite a few of us here no longer worship her. $he isn't the person with whom we fell in love. Ego and narcissism taken over her being.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm a huge Maron fan and obviously a huge Lindsey fan of course, being here.

First off, I too was a bit surprised when Marc (and then Lindsey) slagged off the Welch era. Only a bit though. I'll explain about that in a moment. But firstly, I did find it amusing that Lindsey said he had Then Play On and Kiln House because believe it or not those are the two pre-Buckingham Nicks Fleetwood Mac albums in my collection. So that was kinda cool to me.

Now as to why I wasn't totally surprised about Lindsey kind of agreeing with Maron about the Bob Welch years was that besides "Hypnotized" I don't think Lindsey has touched a Welch song on stage. He's done some Green tunes, some Kirwan stuff and whatnot. And I even remember reading something about how he produced Welch's solo "Sentimental Lady" recording as something of a "favor" (most likely to Mick). I just think for whatever reason, Bob's music perhaps just never resonated with Lindsey. Or maybe it was Bob himself. Who knows. It was a bit surprisingly though because Lindsey is usually very magnanimous, even holding his tongue on Ms. Stephanie Nicks much more than he probably has to.

I also must say I found it funny that Maron talked about Lindsey doing "dance music." I knew what he meant - he was speaking of the very '80s, very electronic Go Insane period, but I had just never heard it described that way. But I suppose the description isn't totally off base. A lot of those songs would likely work better in a club atmosphere than pretty much anything else Lindsey has ever released. All this said, I must say I love Go Insane and think pretty much every era of Lindsey's career has stuff that I highly recommend. And it looks like this new album is gonna provide more.

I agree with the Welch snub. Those albums sold enough to keep them going. And for Lindsey to use sales "suddenly" to describe someone's art is really bothersome to me. Stick with what you know, "making art and music". Plus, show a little respect.

Welch had some fantastic lyrics and atmospheres. He also talked them into moving to Los Angeles. That's HUGE.

I love how Go Insane is thought of as dance music. But I see it. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

I agree with the Welch snub. Those albums sold enough to keep them going. And for Lindsey to use sales "suddenly" to describe someone's art is really bothersome to me. Stick with what you know, "making art and music". Plus, show a little respect.

Welch had some fantastic lyrics and atmospheres. He also talked them into moving to Los Angeles. That's HUGE.

I love how Go Insane is thought of as dance music. But I see it. :lol:

I don't think they'd have survived those years without Welch.

"Bob Welch saved Fleetwood Mac" - Mick Fleetwood

I little respect, indeed...

[sweetdudejim]

You’re right. I think Jim Ladd the KMET DJ was talking to Lindsey on the radio in 1981 for Law and Order, and Lindsey told Ladd that he just wasn’t comfortable singing Bob Welch songs (he called them “breathy”) but that he loved singing and playing Peter Green, particularly “Oh Well.” The band kept “Hypnotized” in the set for a couple of years, but Lindsey at some point must have said to finally drop it. “Hypnotized” is this kind of zone song, anyway (maybe a little like “Sara”), and you just can’t reach that zone in a crowded, noisy arena. I don’t the think the song ever worked live in any band incarnation as well as the album. The performance with the Crowded House singer was pretty good thanks to twenty musicians all contributing with little bits of filigree, but you still had the arena noise to contend with. “Hypnotized” is solitude and meditative — nobody can meditate at a rock concert these days.

Interesting post David. Never knew about Lindsey saying he wasn't comfortable singing Bob's stuff. But it does make sense. I also see what you mean about "zone" songs. Songs like "Hypnotized" and "Sara" really do come off best sitting late at night with a pair of headphones on.

I do want to point out that despite what I myself may have made it sound like, I quite like a bit of Welch's work. However, I probably wouldn't even say he's in the top 5 as far as songwriters in Fleetwood Mac. I'd easily put Buckingham, McVie, Kirwan, Green and Nicks above him at the very least.

Oh and also, it's been interesting to hear from Lindsey on the podcast and then from you on here that Lindsey is actually a Peter Green fan. I always figured he respected him as the founder of his group and for his role in music, but was never sure if he actually liked the music. Seems like he does.

Excellent post, sweetjimdude. I hate that your contribution was overshadowed by pettiness. I’m not familiar with much of Bob Welch’s FM material beyond Hypnotized, which I think is a classic. Neil Finn did a fine job singing it and I was so disappointed the song was dropped by the time I saw FM. Lindsey sang it very well, also. I’ve always thought it would be cool and surprising if FM whipped out Sentimental Lady live, I think the audience would be like “WTH” in a good way.

I’m not sure yet about Lindsey’s new cd- the first two songs haven’t excited me much, although the second single caught my ear more than the first. Your excitement for it has got me thinking I will buy it, though.

I agree that it would definitely be insane if Fleetwood Mac ever played "Sentimental Lady" again. But just like "Hypnotized" is, I'm not sure I could see that song working in a live arena setting.

About the new album, I'll admit the first song he released for it didn't excite me big time. It still might grow on me, but as of now it's not a favorite of mine. In fact, I can't remember the name of it now off hand. However, the second single, "On the Wrong Side" really go me going. It's probably, sound-wise the most Tusk-ish thing he's done since the Tusk album. Also the song came as a surprise to me, cuz I figured it was a cover of a song of the same name that was on the soundtrack to the film With Honors.

Whatevs. I found the flow of your sentence difficult to follow. Sh*t happens. Hood rats understand gibberish that I'd never begin to comprehend, and that's not a bad thing in my book.
I hope you get well soon.

Hood rats? Wow. Weird phrase to use there. What kind of people are you referring to there?

[HomerMcvie]

Hood rats? Wow. Weird phrase to use there. What kind of people are you referring to there?

Interpretation is always subjective, and I'm not being paid to translate for you, so I guess I'm leaving you to your own means here.

What did you mean by "get well soon"?

If you want to throw passive aggressive barbs all day long, you're the one who threw the first one. I hope you stop, but if you don't... well, that's on you.

Have a nice day.

[tango87]

I must say, I'm really enjoying the soap opera of this thread! Be careful, sweetdudejim, or Homer will get you fired from the forum for 'smirking' or something...

[vivfox]

I must say, I'm really enjoying the soap opera of this thread! Be careful, sweetdudejim, or Homer will get you fired from the forum for 'smirking' or something...


:nod::lol::lol::eek:

[jmn3]

Oh and also, it's been interesting to hear from Lindsey on the podcast and then from you on here that Lindsey is actually a Peter Green fan. I always figured he respected him as the founder of his group and for his role in music, but was never sure if he actually liked the music. Seems like he does.

This kind of surprised me too. I had the same impression of Lindsey's thoughts on Peter as you did previously and was surprised to hear him speak of Peter and the very early Mac music as more of a fan. To even name drop albums really surprised me!

Unrelated, I'd love to sit with Lindsey and watch a recording of 2018-19 show. I actually think that would be a lot of fun. The passive aggressive comments would be off the rails.

[HomerMcvie]

I must say, I'm really enjoying the soap opera of this thread! Be careful, sweetdudejim, or Homer will get you fired from the forum for 'smirking' or something...

Does this make me the $tevie Nick$ of the Ledge????


*instantly hangs self in the garage*

[jbrownsjr]

Does this make me the $tevie Nick$ of the Ledge????


*instantly hangs self in the garage*

We are going to get your some smelly gloves. Now be nice, it's the weekend. ;)

[tango87]

Does this make me the $tevie Nick$ of the Ledge????

That depends - how are your tambourine skills?

[HomerMcvie]

That depends - how are your tambourine skills?

I think I can smoke her! Hell, my dead Grandma can smoke her!:lol::wavey:

[sue]

Does this make me the $tevie Nick$ of the Ledge????


*instantly hangs self in the garage*

Headline, headline. Headline
Hold the front page.

Rumour has it Stevie Nicks is HomerMcvie..

[HomerMcvie]

Headline, headline. Headline
Hold the front page.

Rumour has it Stevie Nicks is HomerMcvie..

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Couldn't be me. I LIKE Lindsey!

And I get dizzy and throw up when I spin!!!!(seriously - I can't even ride rides at amusement parks)

[HomerMcvie]

Headline, headline. Headline
Hold the front page.

Rumour has it Stevie Nicks is HomerMcvie..

Back when I had weekend "FM Pool parties"(like 6 Ledgies would come to my house for the weekend - and we'd jam FM all weekend long, and get drunker than monkeys), several of them were positive that "David" here is Lindsey.

[jbrownsjr]

Back when I had weekend "FM Pool parties"(like 6 Ledgies would come to my house for the weekend - and we'd jam FM all weekend long, and get drunker than monkeys), several of them were positive that "David" here is Lindsey.

That would be a really profound, organic re-cycled turn of events.

[HomerMcvie]

That would be a really profound, organic re-cycled turn of events.

Meh, he'd just Smirk At You, and you'd bant him from The Ledge.

[tango87]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Couldn't be me. I LIKE Lindsey!

And I get dizzy and throw up when I spin!!!!(seriously - I can't even ride rides at amusement parks)

Then this is our perfect chance to get the band back together! If you replaced her, we'd get a new album and no more crackhead dances!

[HomerMcvie]

Then this is our perfect chance to get the band back together! If you replaced her, we'd get a new album and no more crackhead dances!

Well let's tape down the jingles on my tambourine, and I'll take some Dramamine, and it's on.

WE'RE GETTING THE BAND BACK TOGETHER!!!!:blob2::blob1::blob2::blob1::blob2:

[jbrownsjr]

Meh, he'd just Smirk At You, and you'd bant him from The Ledge.

Wait, why do I have to be goat? I'm the thin blonde pretending to play keyboards.

[HomerMcvie]

Wait, why do I have to be goat? I'm the thin blonde pretending to play keyboards.

I truly want to know if it's more mental or physical. I'm guessing the latter. Probably arthritis.

[jbrownsjr]

I truly want to know if it's more mental or physical. I'm guessing the latter. Probably arthritis.

Alex Lifeson of Rush was talking about (interview) how serious arthritis is for a musician. I hope I don't have to go through that. My back gets tight sitting at the piano for long periods. Plus, I needed an excuse not to practice. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Alex Lifeson of Rush was talking about (interview) how serious arthritis is for a musician. I hope I don't have to go through that. My back gets tight sitting at the piano for long periods. Plus, I needed an excuse not to practice. :laugh:
Oh, I've got it(in my hands). I think it's more of a problem for guitarists than keyboardists. My band is playing tonight...I take 4 Advils about an hour before we start. After a couple stiff drinks I barely notice it!:lol::lol: (I'm being serious)

[bombaysaffires]

Meh, he'd just Smirk At You, and you'd bant him from The Ledge.

oh how I wish he'd write an actual song with that title!!! :thumbsup:

"my first mistake
was to smirk at you...
(smirk at you...)"

[HomerMcvie]

oh how I wish he'd write an actual song with that title!!! :thumbsup:

"my first mistake
was to smirk at you...
(smirk at you...)"

Wouldn't that be the ultimate snub?

[michelej1]

Perhaps the wording was a bit unclear. The sentence was a bit of a run-on. But yeah, English is indeed my first language. I don’t post a lot here for whatever reason but wanted to pitch in on this topic. However after this exchange, I’m getting the feeling I’m not welcome here. Yeesh.

No, you're quite welcome here. I've enjoyed your observations and your meaning was clear.

Judging from the arrangement of Sentimental Lady I think Lindsey and Welch might have worked quite well together. If Christine had brought a song like Ebony Eyes into the studio for him to produce he would have eaten it up.

[jbrownsjr]

No, you're quite welcome here. I've enjoyed your observations and your meaning was clear.

Judging from the arrangement of Sentimental Lady I think Lindsey and Welch might have worked quite well together. If Christine had brought a song like Ebony Eyes into the studio for him to produce he would have eaten it up.

I agree that Welch/McVie/Buckingham was a great team. Sentimental Lady was produced by those three. And you can hear it.