Lindsey features in new UK magazine UNCUT

[tango87]

Hello all, there's going to be an interview with Lindsey in the new edition of the UK magazine, UNCUT. It's not out over here until Thursday, but the cover quote is interesting: "I have control issues!":

https://www.uncut.co.uk/features/blogs/welcome-to-the-new-uncut-the-beatles-lindsey-buckingham-curtis-mayfield-and-more-131920/

Could be good - apparently he brought up the subject of Fleetwood Mac first...

[tango87]

Here's some more from the interview:

https://www.uncut.co.uk/features/interviews/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-solo-album-2021-132202/

"Lindsey Buckingham steps out into the afternoon heat of west Los Angeles. Surrounded by dogs, he takes the short walk across the yard from his home to his out-house studio.
“We’ve got way too many actually,” he explains. “We’ve got one miniature poodle, a miniature Australian shepherd, a white lab and two Pomeranians. Yeah, I think one is enough…”

Based around an old reel-to-reel tape machine, the studio appears to be a fairly primitive set-up – at least for a man of Buckingham’s wealth and reputation. But then, Lindsey Buckingham has always been one to confound expectations. He hasn’t used the studio much since 2018, when the 10 songs on his new, self-titled solo album – his first in a decade – were recorded. Back then, things were different. Buckingham’s heart was doing fine, Covid was unheard of, and he was still a member of Fleetwood Mac.
In fact, the subject of Buckingham’s departure from the group in 2018 – after he requested a delay to their upcoming tour so he could release his own album – comes up early in our conversation, after Buckingham himself raises it. It is, he explains, inexorably tied in with the origins of this new album.

“Once I’d been ousted from the band – which in itself was just so absurd after all the troubles we’d been through and managed to overcome for 40-plus years – I was poised to put the album out. Then I ended up having a bypass operation, so we had to kick it down the road a little further. And then the pandemic hit. So it’s been a sort of running gag, to have so many false starts.”

Here at last, post-Macxit, the Lindsey Buckingham album has many highlights – including the chiming, propulsive I Don’t Mind and the striking and experimental Power Down – that bring into focus Buckingham’s melodic gifts as well as his hunger for unconventional thinking.

“It’s just a one-man show, me playing and engineering,” he says. “It’s like painting. It does start to become a one-on-one, like with a canvas.”

READ THE FULL INTERVIEW IN UNCUT SEPTEMBER 2021"

[michelej1]

A man with 5 dogs one day. A divorced loner the next.

[sleepless child]

I was just thinking, this must have been done while he and Kristen were still together. I can't wait to read this.

[David]

“Then I ended up having a bypass operation, so we had to kick it down the road a little further. And then the pandemic hit. So it’s been a sort of running gag, to have so many false starts.”Indication that Lindsey’s mindset is largely album-followed-by-tour. Unlike his earliest solo days, he now seems to insist that an album must be followed by a tour: that you can’t do one without the other (although I think he has toured once or twice without an album, and certainly Fleetwood Mac does this). Otherwise, I don’t know why the sixteen-month pandemic should delay an album. He could have released music since 2018 as often as he felt the impulse, and then followed up with a tour highlighted by his latest recorded work whenever the theaters opened back up. It’s not as if he has hit singles on the nation’s radios. He produces a body of work — and at some point tours as its own discrete statement, mixing and matching from throughout his catalogue. I call it the Kate Bush model. Her last tour — her first in decades — consisted of catalogue choices plus two major long-form statements from Hounds of Love and Aerial. I don’t think Lindsey would have any trouble operating this way if he chose.

[aleuzzi]

So the man has too many dogs and admits he has control issues.

He’s still the only member of the Rumours lineup to make new music. What he and Christine could do, given the chance!

[HomerMcvie]

So the man has too many dogs and admits he has control issues.

He’s still the only member of the Rumours lineup to make new music. What he and Christine could do, given the chance!

But the STAR says no! Nobody buys music these days! :mad:

[DownOnRodeo]

Maybe the opening track "Scream" will be a symphony of barking dogs, in a misguided attempt to appeal to a wider audience who know him only from "Holiday Road."

[tango87]

It’s a brilliant interview, lots of honest and fascinating stuff about Stevie and the band, and the split. I’ll try and post some photos...

[tango87]

OK, here you go, I've put them all in this folder in my Flickr account - this should work!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisnaylorart/albums/72157719547457458

[BigAl84]

JFC...Let's push aside all the other usual Stevie bits...how about Christine:
"I'm sorry I didn't stand up for you, I just bought a house"

Christine could of said ANYTHING that would of been better than that. What a gut punch.

[HomerMcvie]

JFC...Let's push aside all the other usual Stevie bits...how about Christine:
"I'm sorry I didn't stand up for you, I just bought a house"

Christine could of said ANYTHING that would of been better than that. What a gut punch.

Yeah, she's not exactly a model friend to have.

[sleepless child]

I can't believe no one stuck up for him. What has happened to these people? At this point in their lives it should be about the art, not the money. They have forgotten everything that brought them together in 1997 for the Dance.

[FuzzyPlum]

A very good interview. Pretty blunt- he's pulling no punches.
'I had so many peak moments in the show....'
'....I think she'd come of stage every night thinking she'd come in second'

:lol:

[sue]

….” Just bought a house”…
What does she mean, she s having to watch the pennies..???
Christine is worth 65 million, for goodness sake.

[HomerMcvie]

….” Just bought a house”…
What does she mean, she s having to watch the pennies..???
Christine is worth 65 million, for goodness sake.

My MOST pathetic moment in my 40+ years of Christine worship.

She ain't no better than anyone...:shocked:

[bombaysaffires]

OK, here you go, I've put them all in this folder in my Flickr account - this should work!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisnaylorart/albums/72157719547457458

thanks for posting!

[elle]

enjoying Lindsey finally being frank and spilling some tea in interviews, the way he's been with fans at meet & greets and such for years now. i missed this unfiltered Lindsey in his muzzled and band-appeasing interviews, including that bs they were spilling in interviews at the time about how BuckVie was always gonna be a duet album.

at least, even though he apparently still wants to get together with that dysfunctional family of lousy humans, at least he's not trying to hold back and appease anyone (well, he is somewhat appeasing Mick). telling it like it is.

[wilsonmac]

I think this album is gonna be top notch, and interviews like this make me believe that the music industry knows it as well. Really enjoy listening/reading Lindsey being straight and telling us the truth. Should be fun seeing them on tour.

[HomerMcvie]

enjoying Lindsey finally being frank and spilling some tea in interviews, the way he's been with fans at meet & greets and such for years now. i missed this unfiltered Lindsey in his muzzled and band-appeasing interviews, including that bs they were spilling in interviews at the time about how BuckVie was always gonna be a duet album.

at least, even though he apparently still wants to get together with that dysfunctional family of lousy humans, at least he's not trying to hold back and appease anyone (well, he is somewhat appeasing Mick). telling it like it is.

Why tf would he want to get back with these LOSERS? It's degrading. Humiliating. Just plain sick.

[tango87]

thanks for posting!

My pleasure! It's great to hear Lindsey really speaking openly, particularly about how Stevie's ego has distorted the band from being an even faintly creative entity into purely a cash-grab machine. We all knew it, of course, but it's a relief to hear him say it at last.

I really can't wait for his album.

[jeets2000]

enjoying Lindsey finally being frank and spilling some tea in interviews, the way he's been with fans at meet & greets and such for years now. i missed this unfiltered Lindsey in his muzzled and band-appeasing interviews, including that bs they were spilling in interviews at the time about how BuckVie was always gonna be a duet album.

at least, even though he apparently still wants to get together with that dysfunctional family of lousy humans, at least he's not trying to hold back and appease anyone (well, he is somewhat appeasing Mick). telling it like it is.

Agreed - these answers make much more sense. The "logic" behind Stevie's move against him is exactly what I thought had happened, too. Stevie Nicks in capital letters... :rolleyes:

Sad to see the state of things between LB and John, but I'm not sure we should have expected anything else. They butted heads a bit when he and Stevie first joined, and I don't ever remember hearing about a honeymoon period thereafter. (Still, I'll never forget about LB sticking up for him when John got cancer and the rest of them wanted to keep touring).

The Christine stuff is just heartbreaking. That being said, I think the mutual admiration between them is real, and I'm holding out hope for some kind of fence mending.

[UnwindedDreams]

(Still, I'll never forget about LB sticking up for him when John got cancer and the rest of them wanted to keep touring).

It's quite hard to swallow that Mick and Stevie would've thought to tour without John.

Lindsey is loyal. He cancelled his UK Tour rather than get a replacement for Neal. And in 2018, he didn't get another guitar player. Neal is his bandmate.

This article is really sad. Stevie acts like Don Angelo Bruno.

[elle]

My pleasure! It's great to hear Lindsey really speaking openly, particularly about how Stevie's ego has distorted the band from being an even faintly creative entity into purely a cash-grab machine. We all knew it, of course, but it's a relief to hear him say it at last.

I really can't wait for his album.

agreed and thanks for sharing! :wavey:

[elle]

Agreed - these answers make much more sense. The "logic" behind Stevie's move against him is exactly what I thought had happened, too. Stevie Nicks in capital letters... :rolleyes:

Sad to see the state of things between LB and John, but I'm not sure we should have expected anything else. They butted heads a bit when he and Stevie first joined, and I don't ever remember hearing about a honeymoon period thereafter. (Still, I'll never forget about LB sticking up for him when John got cancer and the rest of them wanted to keep touring).

The Christine stuff is just heartbreaking. That being said, I think the mutual admiration between them is real, and I'm holding out hope for some kind of fence mending.

when you read the interview, and also from what Lindsey was telling fans at m&gs back in 2018, he had no hard feelings towards Christine, John or Mick. he considered them weak, and primarily looking after their own best interests. obviously he knows these people are lousy humans and accepts them as such. he says in this interview, especially about John and Christine, that they got caught in the middle, where they didn't want to be.

Mick was the one doing Stevie's dirty work in interviews shoveling garbage all over LB during that sad mac cover tour. yes he and LB are all lovey-dovey these days.

the only person LB blamed for the whole situation was Stevie, and he is still saying the same now. Stevie waited to have enough clout to pull the power play on the rest of them, and once she got there, that's exactly what she did. i'm glad he has no problem telling it like it is now.

[Macfan4life]

Really enjoyed the interview and the honesty. Love that Lindsey went there with his true feelings. Stevie used to say how she would stand down or play it cool during Fleetwood Mac concerts as to not want to be the star. I was floored how Lindsey describes Stevie's jealousy at Lindsey's standing ovation during I'm So Afraid. Good grief, she was not even on the stage which some could say is disrespectful. Lindsey also points out what some dont want to accept in this forum is how profitable Stevie is. Her 24K Gold Tour was insanely profitable selling out huge arenas and extended 3 times. Clearly her success made her an ego-maniac. Lindsey did not say this part but it is my belief. Stevie went on with the Mac with Lindsey. When Christine came back suddenly the limelight was on Chris. This opened the wound for her to pay attention to Lindsey and it drove her insane.
One last note. If you saw Lindsey in concert you can see it in his face that he is telling the truth that he prefers to play in front of 2,000 people instead of 20,000. Also, shame on Christine for her horrible conduct and lame excuse (I just bought a house).

[HomerMcvie]

Really enjoyed the interview and the honesty. Love that Lindsey went there with his true feelings. Stevie used to say how she would stand down or play it cool during Fleetwood Mac concerts as to not want to be the star. I was floored how Lindsey describes Stevie's jealousy at Lindsey's standing ovation during I'm So Afraid. Good grief, she was not even on the stage which some could say is disrespectful. Lindsey also points out what some dont want to accept in this forum is how profitable Stevie is. Her 24K Gold Tour was insanely profitable selling out huge arenas and extended 3 times. Clearly her success made her an ego-maniac. Lindsey did not say this part but it is my belief. Stevie went on with the Mac with Lindsey. When Christine came back suddenly the limelight was on Chris. This opened the wound for her to pay attention to Lindsey and it drove her insane.
One last note. If you saw Lindsey in concert you can see it in his face that he is telling the truth that he prefers to play in front of 2,000 people instead of 20,000. Also, shame on Christine for her horrible conduct and lame excuse (I just bought a house).

This. This. This.

All of this.

$tevie has become a horrible person. A complete egomaniac.

And Christine isn't much better. A terrible person to have as a friend. She'd throw you under the bus for a nickel.

[anusha]

I have mixed feelings about this interview. On the one hand, I’m glad that Lindsey is telling it like it is. But on the other hand, I think it has to be said that if he really wants closure and to end things on a good note with FM, talking about how Stevie was jealous of his spotlight in concert isn’t going to do it. (It feels salty in the same way his post-lawsuit press statements about how Stevie was jealous that he had a family and all she has is her career weren’t exactly mending fences).

I don’t think he and john were ever close. It seems like Mick is really the linchpin who kept everyone connected but they don’t have all that much genuine connection to each other than via Mick. As for Christine. She’s weak and we knew that. With Mick as the hub of the band, the McVies could either stay on the ride with Stevie, Neil and Mike or not be in FM. I think that Stevie could always tour solo, and they knew from the Eagles that a band without Lindsey would sell well anyway. So while it is gross and disappointing, honestly it’s not a surprise. They trashed Lindsey in the media during the BTM press too, so it’s not even the first time. Honestly, I doubt anyone in the band besides Mick actually *likes* Lindsey as a person, and over the years Lindsey hasn’t made it easy (though he deserved far better than he’s gotten).

I’m not saying Lindsey owes anyone in that band anything. I’d just as soon he tell all the tales and share what awful people they are. Then again, I don’t want the band to reunite and will never believe anything they do as a group is genuine except for their genuine desire to make money off of fans. But if his goal is reconciliation, sometimes he would he advised to hold his fire.

[DownOnRodeo]

the infectious, propulsive pop of On the Wrong Side

"Infectious and propulsive pop" is not at all how I would describe the On the Wrong Side we know from the With Honors soundtrack. Must be a sped-up, reimagined approach to the same lyrics, or a completely new song altogether.

I'm impressed that the tracks were also mastered by Lindsey. I am yet to tire of I Don't Mind. Too bad the mastering of the Say You Will album wasn't left to Lindsey.

[GypsyVisions]

I liked that Lindsey said these things out loud, finally. Because if he wants to get back into Fleetwood Mac (and he does) then he has limited options. I don’t think catering to Stevie’s fantasy gaze or cowering to her “power” is going to work. I think Lindsey genuinely thinks that his last chance is to just be honest and hope Stevie hears what he says and accepts it. Yes, she is hard headed, to say the least. But you can’t blame him for wanting something enough for his legacy to let himself believe that maaaaybe he can still reach her with the truth. He wasn’t exactly mean in his comments. He was just honest. Stevie needs a reality check. Lindsey’s approach could work, fail, completely backfire or even worse. Who knows?

And it is such a relief to hear Lindsey acknowledge that albums don’t sell like they used to but that this is no reason to stop making art. That’s beautiful. He mentioned that he cut 2 songs this year (as of the time of the interview) so this tells me we are getting more Lindsey Buckingham music after the upcoming album. :]

[Macfan4life]

I have mixed feelings about this interview. On the one hand, I’m glad that Lindsey is telling it like it is. But on the other hand, I think it has to be said that if he really wants closure and to end things on a good note with FM, talking about how Stevie was jealous of his spotlight in concert isn’t going to do it. (It feels salty in the same way his post-lawsuit press statements about how Stevie was jealous that he had a family and all she has is her career weren’t exactly mending fences).

I don’t think he and john were ever close. It seems like Mick is really the linchpin who kept everyone connected but they don’t have all that much genuine connection to each other than via Mick. As for Christine. She’s weak and we knew that. With Mick as the hub of the band, the McVies could either stay on the ride with Stevie, Neil and Mike or not be in FM. I think that Stevie could always tour solo, and they knew from the Eagles that a band without Lindsey would sell well anyway. So while it is gross and disappointing, honestly it’s not a surprise. They trashed Lindsey in the media during the BTM press too, so it’s not even the first time. Honestly, I doubt anyone in the band besides Mick actually *likes* Lindsey as a person, and over the years Lindsey hasn’t made it easy (though he deserved far better than he’s gotten).

I’m not saying Lindsey owes anyone in that band anything. I’d just as soon he tell all the tales and share what awful people they are. Then again, I don’t want the band to reunite and will never believe anything they do as a group is genuine except for their genuine desire to make money off of fans. But if his goal is reconciliation, sometimes he would he advised to hold his fire.
I disagree. Lindsey has been quiet and taped his mouth shut for decades. When he left in 1987, he could have thrown Mick and Stevie under the bus for the reasons he was leaving. But he was not petty and just moved on.
I am happy that finally he speaks his mind. Did he do things to purposely annoy Stevie. Yes of course. Did she counter? Probably. They have always had this kind of tit for tat relationship. What changed? IMHO it was the jealousy Stevie had between Chris and Lindsey. They went and recorded without her and even toured without her. This is one of the few times the boss did not get her way. She controlled the band at every level. She gets the highest percentage of tour proceeds and sets the band's recording schedule of when she is free. Christine coming back suddenly they had interest in making new music. Stevie's reaction: NOT ON MY WATCH. Her ultimate revenge was not to just leave Fleetwood Mac. She could have done that and walked away. She went for the ultimate kill. She used the power she has in the band to tell Mick, its me or Lindsey. A Sophie's choice. Stevie realized Mick would cater to her because of money. If she really did not want to make new music or tour with the band she could have said "I'm going to sit this one out." But she came for the jugular.

[John Run]

I agree with what MacFan4Life writes. Lindsey speaking real and raw about his view of the demise of the Rumours era band is his prerogative, and by most rationale, past due. I also don't find it particularly inflammatory. I actually think for Stevie the issue was that she did not have as much control as she wanted or believed she was entitled to. Increasingly since 1997 Lindsey was the on stage leader of the band and drove the energy of the show. He already had been the studio leader of the band. As she said in 2013, Fleetwood Mac is a democracy, we all get a vote, but Lindsey gets two. That was likely figurative and not literal, but it is insight into her perception of Lindsey's power within the band. Then he produced a good album with 4/5 of Fleetwood Mac and mounted a tour with Christine that didn't include her. Yes, Fleetwood Mac could be a viable entity without her. Of course clearly not the cash machine without her. That's when her essential nature to the value of the franchise likely became obvious to her, she saw it as her path to assume control, and stick a knife into Lindsey for all the slights, real and perceived, that he had foisted upon her over the past 45 years.

Lindsey has now chose to peal away the BS and let the public know what motivates the most recent version of the band, which is keeping the touring machine (aka the income stream) going. For one go around most ticket buyers could have cared less if Lindsey was there. I still think the 2022 angle to one more cash run will be the return of Lindsey and the Rumours 5 and Lindsey will be a good little compliant soldier.

I do believe it's fan myth, particularly since the return of Christine, that Stevie got a bigger percentage of the touring revenues. The lawsuit filed by Lindsey and his attorneys make it pretty clear the 5 were equal financial partners. His demand for $12-14 million in lost touring income damages from the agreed upon dates, as well as an on going equal percentage of ancillary revenue streams is further evidence he was entitled to an equal income share. Stevie has talked in prior years that Lindsey made way more than everyone else. Likely this is from producer income, but still she could not have been gaining vastly higher touring income from band shows for that belief to have any factual relevance to her. His public net worth has been reported to be higher than Stevie's, though that could easily be incorrect information. Also a divorce settlement will reduce Lindsey's personal asset value, but that's another story.

This was all about control, mixed with a little revenge. Stevie saw the opportunity and seized it.

But in my opinion they will return on stage again no matter what you read and hear them saying about each other. These five people are very adept at sleeping with one another, hating each other, lying about, shunning and ignoring each other for years, only to find their way back to holding hands on a soundstage in Southern California. It is who they are and history repeats itself with them over and over.

[BLY]

But in my opinion they will return on stage again no matter what you read and hear them saying about each other. These five people are very adept at sleeping with one another, hating each other, lying about, shunning and ignoring each other for years, only to find their way back to holding hands on a soundstage in Southern California. It is who they are and history repeats itself with them over and over.[/QUOTE]


Yes all true but now all of them are in their mid and late 70’s with voices that don’t translate well live……Sad but done.

[John Run]

BLY - I agree with you. Lindsey is the youngest one at 71. But if they are all still alive in 2022 the known and continuing demise of their voices will be the last thing that stops these 5 people from hitting the stage.

[HomerMcvie]

I won't be going to any more tours(although I'd still do a BuckVie).

Because THEY HAVE POISONED THEIR OWN BRAND. It's too late now. Game over.

[UnwindedDreams]

I won't be going to any more tours(although I'd still do a BuckVie).


Yuck. Let her do FinnVie and keep singing Hold Me, Don't Stop and World Turning with him.

As much as Mick was a dirtbag with all of this going down, if Lindsey were going to play with someone again, I'd rather it be Mick.

I don't recall Mick actually saying anything bad about Lindsey other than we weren't happy with him in the band, but he was speaking for Stevie.
Mick seemed to not want to burn any connection to Lindsey. Stevie had Mick by the b***s so he probably was given talking points by Karen.

Christine was saying it's better without Lindsey and she was bringing up Lindsey pulling the jacket over his head to impersonate Stevie... s**t that's 40 years old. To me, she'll go where the wind blows.

It's odd to me that Lindsey didn't think he and John were close considering John played on solo stuff. I never thought of Stevie being close with John other than their nose tap moment in GDW.

[HomerMcvie]

Yuck. Let her do FinnVie and keep singing Hold Me, Don't Stop and World Turning with him.

As much as Mick was a dirtbag with all of this going down, if Lindsey were going to play with someone again, I'd rather it be Mick.

I don't recall Mick actually saying anything bad about Lindsey other than we weren't happy with him in the band, but he was speaking for Stevie.
Mick seemed to not want to burn any connection to Lindsey. Stevie had Mick by the b***s so he probably was given talking points by Karen.

Christine was saying it's better without Lindsey and she was bringing up Lindsey pulling the jacket over his head to impersonate Stevie... s**t that's 40 years old. To me, she'll go where the wind blows.

It's odd to me that Lindsey didn't think he and John were close considering John played on solo stuff. I never thought of Stevie being close with John other than their nose tap moment in GDW.

Like I said, they have poisoned their own brand.

[BLY]

BLY - I agree with you. Lindsey is the youngest one at 71. But if they are all still alive in 2022 the known and continuing demise of their voices will be the last thing that stops these 5 people from hitting the stage.

John Run- Sad but probably true. My live shows days are over. Great memories of many concerts band and solo tours.

[michelej1]

This is brutal in places. Thank you so much for sharing.

[michelej1]

….” Just bought a house”…
What does she mean, she s having to watch the pennies..???
Christine is worth 65 million, for goodness sake.

I know. She is hoarding a fortune and why? For her nieces and nephews? I just don’t get it.

[UnwindedDreams]

This is brutal in places. Thank you so much for sharing.
Brutal is perfect to describe his answers. Grateful this was shared!

Also makes me think that they really were cowards for not even telling Lindsey they wanted him out then ghosted his emails and calls.

[vivfox]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisnaylorart/albums/72157719547457458

Thank you for posting the interview so we didn't have to wait until September.

[michelej1]

The problem is, these freaks don’t understand how math works. When there are five of you, two people cannot be in the middle. Lindsey, Christine and John together could have defeated Mick and Stevie.

Yes, Stevie is the most powerful and she sells the most tickets, but they were not prepared to go on the road without Lindsey, John and Christine. Thus, the coup would have failed.

Yes, I realize that Stevie may have declared she would never tour at all then, if she could not tour without Lindsey. But she would only have stood her ground for one or two years at most. In the end, she likes the benefits of a Fleetwood Mac tour as much as anyone does and she would’ve given in. If only the McVies had stood with Lindsey.

Of course, maybe Steve Harvey needs to talk to me. I keep rationalizing but maybe the answer is, “He’s just not into you.” Are the McVies weak or do they just not care that much? Are they just not into the Lindsman?

[HomerMcvie]

The McVies are SPINELESS.

So, that makes "Spineless - party of four".

Actually, party of five, because Lindsey wants to go back to this sh*t show, which is PATHETIC. So much for his artistic integrity.

Prove. Me. Wrong.

[jbrownsjr]

Wow, proper darts and honesty about who $TEVIE NICK$ is. (Most of us have always known this.).

He's thrown the same dart at Christine. Makes me realize how much he loves her and how much she's disappointed him over the years. Leaving the band and then being a ghost when he needed her and John.

What strikes me as odd, and maybe Homer is right, he'd go back to this mess. He's not throwing many darts at Mick this time. (Unless I missed them.) It was very hard for me to read some of this as it was so small.

Perhaps, they have some plans to make some music. BuckFleetwood.

[UnwindedDreams]

What strikes me as odd, and maybe Homer is right, he'd go back to this mess. He's not throwing many darts at Mick this time. (Unless I missed them.) It was very hard for me to read some of this as it was so small.

Perhaps, they have some plans to make some music. BuckFleetwood.
My takeaway from this is that Mick returned his texts and emails. Not in Winter/Spring 2018 but maybe since 2020.

Lindsey says he and Mick were in communication before Peter Green passed away.

It seems like the only communication he had with Chris was an email from her in 2018 saying "I had nothing to do with this/I bought a house." And John was an email saying "I'm not supposed to be talking with you."

Stevie is a small person so she didn't return any outreach he made.

Even though Lindsey said Mick was weak when he was fired, he still said "Mick is a great guy."

[michelej1]

I really don't get his praise for Mick. I've always thought that he loved Mick, but not in this fawning way. More in a tolerant way because he knows that Mick has gone out on a limb for him against the other bandmates in the past and Mick has some good traits, even though he's a very trying, flawed, greedy fellow. Now, he's being delusional about Mick almost, which means Lindsey is senile or ... he wants something.

[sue]

I really don't get his praise for Mick. I've always thought that he loved Mick, but not in this fawning way. More in a tolerant way because he knows that Mick has gone out on a limb for him against the other bandmates in the past and Mick has some good traits, even though he's a very trying, flawed, greedy fellow. Now, he's being delusional about Mick almost, which means Lindsey is senile or ... he wants something.

Maybe his wife has hired a top notch divorce lawyer..

[Stevieforever]

I'm having a really hard time reading it too. Is the text posted somewhere?

[jbrownsjr]

I'm having a really hard time reading it too. Is the text posted somewhere?

I covered one eye and squinted the other. :lol:

[David]

I really don't get his praise for Mick. I've always thought that he loved Mick, but not in this fawning way. More in a tolerant way because he knows that Mick has gone out on a limb for him against the other bandmates in the past and Mick has some good traits, even though he's a very trying, flawed, greedy fellow. Now, he's being delusional about Mick almost, which means Lindsey is senile or ... he wants something.I’ve always wondered what’s at the root of that love affair. It dates from the late ’70s. I think it’s been primarily a mutual musical admiration society. Lindsey digs Mick’s eclecticism. When Mick isn’t wallowing in crass commercialism, he’s really quite an inventive, risk-taking fellow with his music. Look at the breadth of his solo projects; he’s all over the map with great stuff. Plus, onstage Mick has a voracious, Iggy Pop-like appetite for theater and power, walloping his kit and willing to go off the rails, and Lindsey gets a huge kick out of that. In olden times, Lindsey and Mick were the two members who most heavily fed off each other’s energy. You could see it in both their faces. I think Lindsey sees Mick as a primal musical force (with a few mass-audience flaws in his thinking) and as a work in progress. And Mick may see Lindsey that way, too. They both have always seemed to want to improve each other—to perfect each other. But maybe there’s an even more personal side of their relationship, too. Sometimes, Lindsey seems to revel in Mick’s aura as if Mick were an older brother.

[BigAl84]

I think at the end of the day, Mick has always been willing to reconcile with Lindsey. It doesn't seem like grudges are held between the two for long periods of time. Despite all of Mick's spineless, passive-aggressive BS....there seems to be a consistent line of communication that comes back around, even after a period of estrangement. It's possible that Mick recognizes the history between them in a stronger way than some of the others in the band. Still, I'll always suspect Mick's actions with his financial agenda.

It's really sad that Mick and Christine couldn't show up with more principle and dignity with the 2018 situation (I expect nothing from John)

[vivfox]

Stevie is the most powerful and she sells the most tickets, but they were not prepared to go on the road without Lindsey, John and Christine. Thus, the coup would have failed.
Yes, I realize that Stevie may have declared she would never tour at all then, if she could not tour without Lindsey. But she would only have stood her ground for one or two years at most. In the end, she likes the benefits of a Fleetwood Mac tour as much as anyone does and she would’ve given in. If only the McVies had stood with Lindsey.

I was thinking about what you said and I wholeheartedly agree that she would have held out for at least two years had they decided to not fire Lindsey. And then it would have been 2020 and they'd all be screwed.

[bombaysaffires]

I think at the end of the day, Mick has always been willing to reconcile with Lindsey. It doesn't seem like grudges are held between the two for long periods of time. Despite all of Mick's spineless, passive-aggressive BS....there seems to be a consistent line of communication that comes back around, even after a period of estrangement. It's possible that Mick recognizes the history between them in a stronger way than some of the others in the band. Still, I'll always suspect Mick's actions with his financial agenda.

It's really sad that Mick and Christine couldn't show up with more principle and dignity with the 2018 situation (I expect nothing from John)

Yes to this. Lindsey has even mentioned it in interviews in later years-- that Mick manages to keep in touch with people, whereas he himself doesn't. Mick has a social gene that LB doesn't (or doesn't have in quite the same way). Mick likes and needs to be around people, and as you say he's able to keep lines of communication open even when there's estrangement or disagreement. It seems like LB has come to appreciate that aspect of Mick's personality.

But to Michele's point-- he def wants something. He knows Mick is the key to Stevie (recall how he got Mick onside when Stevie didn't want to tour around 2012 and let Mick voice all of that to the press). Mick is his key to revenge .... ie subverting Stevie's wishes and getting back in the band. She's one-up on him right now and he can't enjoy that. Maybe he didn't even see it coming, which makes it worse for him. He wants Mick to use his influence with Stevie re getting the 5 back together. That's my bet and I'm sticking to it.

[UnwindedDreams]

(recall how he got Mick onside when Stevie didn't want to tour around 2012 and let Mick voice all of that to the press). Mick is his key to revenge .... ie subverting Stevie's wishes and getting back in the band. She's one-up on him right now and he can't enjoy that. Maybe he didn't even see it coming, which makes it worse for him. He wants Mick to use his influence with Stevie re getting the 5 back together. That's my bet and I'm sticking to it.
Back in 2012, Lindsey was saying he understood why Stevie wanted another year to tour her record and said something like he needed the same thing in 87.

It's really crazy that John has no power in the band.

[jbrownsjr]

Back in 2012, Lindsey was saying he understood why Stevie wanted another year to tour her record and said something like he needed the same thing in 87.

It's really crazy that John has no power in the band.

He doesn't want any.

[jbrownsjr]

I’ve always wondered what’s at the root of that love affair. It dates from the late ’70s. I think it’s been primarily a mutual musical admiration society. Lindsey digs Mick’s eclecticism. When Mick isn’t wallowing in crass commercialism, he’s really quite an inventive, risk-taking fellow with his music. Look at the breadth of his solo projects; he’s all over the map with great stuff. Plus, onstage Mick has a voracious, Iggy Pop-like appetite for theater and power, walloping his kit and willing to go off the rails, and Lindsey gets a huge kick out of that. In olden times, Lindsey and Mick were the two members who most heavily fed off each other’s energy. You could see it in both their faces. I think Lindsey sees Mick as a primal musical force (with a few mass-audience flaws in his thinking) and as a work in progress. And Mick may see Lindsey that way, too. They both have always seemed to want to improve each other—to perfect each other. But maybe there’s an even more personal side of their relationship, too. Sometimes, Lindsey seems to revel in Mick’s aura as if Mick were an older brother.

This all rings so true to me. In fact when I read the above, I think of all the stage moments in my head that I've admired about these two. The intro of a few ISA, come to mind. Lindsey and Mick were very connected on stage.

[HomerMcvie]

He doesn't want any.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

[bombaysaffires]

He doesn't want any.


Nope. Just checks that clear. Big checks.

[HomerMcvie]

Nope. Just checks that clear. Big checks.

Honestly, it sounds like he's the smartest one of them all.

Stay out of the sh*t show. Collect giant paycheck. Go home and laugh at the drama queens.

[sue]

He doesn't want any.

And that’s quite an achievement when world war three is exploding round your ears.
Keep calm …and just think of the cheque.
Though I don’t think it’s just that with John, he’s a quiet man and his brush with cancer will have taught him life is precious …

[tango87]

I covered one eye and squinted the other. :lol:

Sorry, it was the best I could do. You can zoom in on Flickr images. And you can buy the digital copy:

https://www.uncut.co.uk/digital-editions/

Someone posted screen caps on Faceboof, I think.

I would encourage people to actually buy the magazine like I did, otherwise these publications will disappear completely.

[BigAl84]

The fact that John McVie couldn't be bothered to show up for the Peter Green tribute after being invited by Mick...that tells us everything we need to know about John McVie.

[sue]

The fact that John McVie couldn't be bothered to show up for the Peter Green tribute after being invited by Mick...that tells us everything we need to know about John McVie.


I don’t know about couldn’t be bothered…
He had just finished a 12 month tour, ending in November 2019.
Mick’s tribute concert was February 2020.
He was 74 years old, and had recovered from cancer.
Maybe he was just plain exhausted and needed a few months “off”

Not everyone can have the enormous amount of energy Mick seems to have

[UnwindedDreams]

I don’t know about couldn’t be bothered…
He had just finished a 12 month tour, ending in November 2019.
Mick’s tribute concert was February 2020.
He was 74 years old, and had recovered from cancer.
Maybe he was just plain exhausted and needed a few months “off”

Not everyone can have the enormous amount of energy Mick seems to have
Chris was 76 when she did a few songs at the concert.

Didn't he finish his recovery from cancer at the beginning of 2014? Come October 2014 he set out on a 120 date world tour.

[sue]

Chris was 76 when she did a few songs at the concert.

Didn't he finish his recovery from cancer at the beginning of 2014? Come October 2014 he set out on a 120 date world tour.

All of what you say is true and right….I’m just being generous to John and spreading a bit of leeway……

[UnwindedDreams]

All of what you say is true and right….I’m just being generous to John and spreading a bit of leeway……

Sure, I understand. I think John skipped because it wasn't a moneymaking event for him AND that it was unlikely Green would attend.

John Mayall was there at close to 90 y.o. Amazing!

[sue]

Sure, I understand. I think John skipped because it wasn't a moneymaking event for him AND that it was unlikely Green would attend.

John Mayall was there at close to 90 y.o. Amazing!

The God father of British blues… (Alexis Korner the father)

[jbrownsjr]

Sorry, it was the best I could do. You can zoom in on Flickr images. And you can buy the digital copy:

https://www.uncut.co.uk/digital-editions/

Someone posted screen caps on Faceboof, I think.

I would encourage people to actually buy the magazine like I did, otherwise these publications will disappear completely.

I was joking. (I'm old and my eyes are going). I really appreciate you posting. Thanks!!

[aleuzzi]

Honestly, Mac without Lindsey is a very sad sad band. (Not including pre-75 stuff.)

We all know this. They simply shouldn’t have toured without him. They all deserve to hang their heads in shame.

But the particular darts ledgies are throwing at Christine....well, yes, her decision to back Mick and Stevie is disappointing, but why should she fall on a sword for either Stevie or Lindsey when for decades the mutual Love-hate of the Americans has essentially taken up all the air and space?

In the end, Christine was loyal to Mick and to $. Awful. But not nearly as awful as Stevie and Lindsey’s endless toxic feud.

[HomerMcvie]

Honestly, Mac without Lindsey is a very sad sad band. (Not including pre-75 stuff.)

We all know this. They simply shouldn’t have toured without him. They all deserve to hang their heads in shame.

But the particular darts ledgies are throwing at Christine....well, yes, her decision to back Mick and Stevie is disappointing, but why should she fall on a sword for either Stevie or Lindsey when for decades the mutual Love-hate of the Americans has essentially taken up all the air and space?

In the end, Christine was loyal to Mick and to $. Awful. But not nearly as awful as Stevie and Lindsey’s endless toxic feud.
Do you REALLY think they would have hit superstar status without Lindsey??? They f*cking OWE him. And after all the love they shared on BuckVie?!?!? Christine should be ASHAMED. She's a terrible friend.

[GypsyVisions]

Do you REALLY think they would have hit superstar status without Lindsey??? They f*cking OWE him. And after all the love they shared on BuckVie?!?!? Christine should be ASHAMED. She's a terrible friend.


She probably is ashamed to some degree. And Lindsey had no problem shaming her a little bit with that comment about buying a house. She deserves it. These people, for the most part, have never truly had to grow up. They are blind to the main consequence of their selfishness (which is…loneliness.) Lindsey is the only one who demonstrates any consistent growth as a human being and artist. And he values the legacy of the band as the world at large knows it which is the Rumours lineup.

Lindsey gave Christine a final opportunity to release new material with mostly Fleetwood Mac which we know now she never would have gotten at all had it been up to Stevie Nicks in capital letters.

[aleuzzi]

Do you REALLY think they would have hit superstar status without Lindsey??? They f*cking OWE him. And after all the love they shared on BuckVie?!?!? Christine should be ASHAMED. She's a terrible friend.

I AGREE with what you’re saying here. I even said something similar in my comment above.

But what I am also saying is no amount of betrayal and shame Christine, Mick, and John must and should feel compares to the toxic nature of the Lindsey-Stevie relationship. That the Brits had to essentially center that dynamic in everything they have done since 1976 has got to be nothing short of terrible.

In other words, Lindsey is no saint either. He and Stevie are to blame for his firing. I would have preferred they continued on without Stevie and kept him (if such a choice had to be made) but the fact that those two have stolen most of the air in the room—well, that is NOT Christine’s fault.

[HomerMcvie]

I AGREE with what you’re saying here. I even said something similar in my comment above.

But what I am also saying is no amount of betrayal and shame Christine, Mick, and John must and should feel compares to the toxic nature of the Lindsey-Stevie relationship. That the Brits had to essentially center that dynamic in everything they have done since 1976 has got to be nothing short of terrible.

In other words, Lindsey is no saint either. He and Stevie are to blame for his firing. I would have preferred they continued on without Stevie and kept him (if such a choice had to be made) but the fact that those two have stolen most of the air in the room—well, that is NOT Christine’s fault.

I agree that their relationship was horribly toxic. And embarrassing, that 70yo people were STILL acting like they're children.

I can understand his side of things far more than hers, as $he just bugs the sh*t out of me. $he won the game, and he's jealous. Yet $he's a card carrying idiot. And still the $eat filler. His ENORMOUS talent sits in her shadow. Her piano playing is the most embarrassing sh*t I've ever heard...

I guess there's no accounting for taste(I don't mean you, Tony).

[HomerMcvie]

She probably is ashamed to some degree. And Lindsey had no problem shaming her a little bit with that comment about buying a house. She deserves it. These people, for the most part, have never truly had to grow up. They are blind to the main consequence of their selfishness (which is…loneliness.) Lindsey is the only one who demonstrates any consistent growth as a human being and artist. And he values the legacy of the band as the world at large knows it which is the Rumours lineup.

Lindsey gave Christine a final opportunity to release new material with mostly Fleetwood Mac which we know now she never would have gotten at all had it been up to Stevie Nicks in capital letters.

I agree that they've never grown up. Except maybe John. He seems to be able to just walk away, and wash his hands of their drama.

Gimme da check. Now leave me alone.

[tango87]

I was joking. (I'm old and my eyes are going). I really appreciate you posting. Thanks!!

That's fine! I had to squint to take the pictures (I'm old too..)

[jbrownsjr]

She probably is ashamed to some degree. And Lindsey had no problem shaming her a little bit with that comment about buying a house. She deserves it. These people, for the most part, have never truly had to grow up. They are blind to the main consequence of their selfishness (which is…loneliness.) Lindsey is the only one who demonstrates any consistent growth as a human being and artist. And he values the legacy of the band as the world at large knows it which is the Rumours lineup.

Lindsey gave Christine a final opportunity to release new material with mostly Fleetwood Mac which we know now she never would have gotten at all had it been up to Stevie Nicks in capital letters.

Fair enough. She really did deserve that dart. What a weak thing to say. She came back to tour with Mike Campbell and Neil Finn? I'll always love her music and her personality. But this is one time she highly disappointed me. She does need to be called out.

[jbrownsjr]

Honestly, Mac without Lindsey is a very sad sad band. (Not including pre-75 stuff.)

We all know this. They simply shouldn’t have toured without him. They all deserve to hang their heads in shame.

But the particular darts ledgies are throwing at Christine....well, yes, her decision to back Mick and Stevie is disappointing, but why should she fall on a sword for either Stevie or Lindsey when for decades the mutual Love-hate of the Americans has essentially taken up all the air and space?

In the end, Christine was loyal to Mick and to $. Awful. But not nearly as awful as Stevie and Lindsey’s endless toxic feud.

I often think Christine left after The Dance because although she was tired and done with it, Stevie and Linsdey pushed her over the edge with their constant awful behavior. It must have been hell dealing with that. And it continues to this day. (Being in the middle, of a bad love affair.)

[sleepless child]

I think it is just crazy that they have such jealousy for each other. Stevie is jealous of Lindsey and according to Stevie Lindsey has always been jealous of her. They are way too old for this. It is so passive-aggressive.

[BigAl84]

There's just no excuse. You either have some principles or you don't. The entire conflict has proven to be nothing but a complete sham. It did nothing but reveal what a bunch of pricks the majority of them continue to be and clearly displayed the egomania of Stevie Nicks and her never-ending BS.

[BigAl84]

If Christine is callous enough to do what she did, I don't think she even remotely cares enough about the Stevie-Lindsey drama to allow it to make her feel like she needed to quit.

At this point, all four have proven they'd run over anyone if they can fart in a jar for a bucket of cash. Except for John McVie, the king of doormats. He doesn't show up for anyone or anything.

[bombaysaffires]

If Christine is callous enough to do what she did, I don't think she even remotely cares enough about the Stevie-Lindsey drama to allow it to make her feel like she needed to quit.

At this point, all four have proven they'd run over anyone if they can fart in a jar for a bucket of cash. Except for John McVie, the king of doormats. He doesn't show up for anyone or anything.

this made me laugh though more for its cynical accuracy rather than pure humor. :(

[David]

But what I am also saying is no amount of betrayal and shame Christine, Mick, and John must and should feel compares to the toxic nature of the Lindsey-Stevie relationship. That the Brits had to essentially center that dynamic in everything they have done since 1976 has got to be nothing short of terrible.When we all think of Fleetwood Mac, we should all be thinking of innovation and mastery and craftsmanship and about-face live performances. Instead, most people think about that “dynamic” — the fighting and the sexual intermingling and the chaos. That’s the stuff that starts off every article about the band over the past fifty years. The nonsense always made them money but degraded their actual achievements. Any discussion about Fleetwood Mac should center on great tracks with inventive arrangements, good songwriting, catchy hits, the most interesting balance of male and female in rock, and full-throttle live shows. But the junk that takes priority over everything is the junk you’re talking about, the reality TV junk with members scrapping with each other year after year and never growing up.

What did Bowie write? You can practically hear the McVies in this:

Don’t tell them to grow up and out of it
Where's your shame?
You’ve left us up to our necks in it

[GypsyVisions]

I don’t think Christine is a terrible person but she failed Lindsey and she failed the band. And of course people want to know what part she played (passive, submissive, apathetic, etc) because the only songs she had released in over a decade were engineered by Lindsey. And I think it meant a lot to Christine to put out new music, or else she wouldn’t have done it. It’s f’ed up to watch the documentary on the LB/CM album and then be faced with the reality that Lindsey was fired from FM and she just…did nothing.

Also, we see you Christine, using housing an excuse since at least the early 90s. :cool:

[HomerMcvie]

I don’t think Christine is a terrible person but she failed Lindsey and she failed the band. And of course people want to know what part she played (passive, submissive, apathetic, etc) because the only songs she had released in over a decade were engineered by Lindsey. And I think it meant a lot to Christine to put out new music, or else she wouldn’t have done it. It’s f’ed up to watch the documentary on the LB/CM album and then be faced with the reality that Lindsey was fired from FM and she just…did nothing.

Also, we see you Christine, using housing an excuse since at least the early 90s. :cool:
Let's face it. Both McVies are spineless.

[GypsyVisions]

Let's face it. Both McVies are spineless.

Christine was almost homeless! She almost didn’t have one of her homes!

[HomerMcvie]

Christine was almost homeless! She almost didn’t have one of her homes!

At least her priorities were in order.:mad:

It's Not That Funny that her single from her 2004 album was called Friend, because she doesn't really know what that is.

[jbrownsjr]

At least her priorities were in order.:mad:

It's Not That Funny that her single from her 2004 album was called Friend, because she doesn't really know what that is.

Tell Me Lies, tell me lots of them.