Project with Greg Kurstin

[UnwindedDreams]

https://retropopmagazine.com/stevie-nicks-greg-kurstin-project-fleetwood-mac/

In a taped video from May, Stevie said she was working with Greg Kurstin.

What happened with Dave? Remember when she said I'll never work on a record without Dave. This is her second project with Greg rather than Dave.

[mitzo]

A new album, some tracks for an FM project, or just a one-off for a soundtrack or something. Hmm.

[UnwindedDreams]

A new album, some tracks for an FM project, or just a one-off for a soundtrack or something. Hmm.

Are you being real, mitzo? Cmon with that. If Mac was doing something, Campbell would produce and if needed, Neil would co-produce.

I'd say new Stevie album. She's got tour dates this summer fall so I'm guessing she'll want to play new stuff. I don't think Show Them the Way would work well in a festival setting unless it's significantly rocked up.

[BigAl84]

Are you being real, mitzo? Cmon with that. If Mac was doing something, Campbell would produce and if needed, Neil would co-produce.

I'd say new Stevie album. She's got tour dates this summer fall so I'm guessing she'll want to play new stuff. I don't think Show Them the Way would work well in a festival setting unless it's significantly rocked up.

Or rewritten entirely....:]

[Jondalar]

Ok, this guy is a really good producer. I didn't like the song Show Them The Way but I liked how it was produced. I hope he can reign her in and shorten her songs and make them more to the point. I don't want another Show Them The Way, but this producer did a good job. I also hope he puts a filter on her voice because of her age.

[mitzo]

Are you being real, mitzo? Cmon with that. If Mac was doing something, Campbell would produce and if needed, Neil would co-produce.

I'd say new Stevie album. She's got tour dates this summer fall so I'm guessing she'll want to play new stuff. I don't think Show Them the Way would work well in a festival setting unless it's significantly rocked up.

I was imagining her co-writing with this guy and doing demos for an FM album. But yeah, the most unlikely scenario of all for sure.

[David]

Maybe she wants him to rearrange and possibly produce her Rhiannon material, to give it a contemporary rock and roll sound. That would be fascinating to hear, in my opinion, and I’d really look forward to it. (All those songs can be done differently from lugubrious piano ballads.) She ought to hop on that if she ever wants it to see the light of day.

[UnwindedDreams]

I was imagining her co-writing with this guy and doing demos for an FM album. But yeah, the most unlikely scenario of all for sure.

Co-writing...hmmm, I'd say co-producing with Karen:D

It be cool if she came out with an advocacy song for Pride Weekend!

[bombaysaffires]

Maybe she wants him to rearrange and possibly produce her Rhiannon material, to give it a contemporary rock and roll sound. That would be fascinating to hear, in my opinion, and I’d really look forward to it. (All those songs can be done differently from lugubrious piano ballads.) She ought to hop on that if she ever wants it to see the light of day.

she has consistently griped about not having time for that project "so many things to do" and then the universe gives her a gift of a WHOLE FRIGGING YEAR where she couldn't tour if she wanted to, and if she wanted to record she'd have to do it at home... so why not use all that free time (remember the whole buying a trailer in Malibu and living alone by the sea??? Seems like her apartment overhanging the PCH with it's great sea views would work just as well). Instead she b*tched about being soooooooo bored during COVID and not being able to go out. Her writing days are DONE. She could have worked all sorts of sh^t for the Rhiannon project.. wasn't she talking like a Broadway show in recent years?? NADA. She even moaned in several interviews about being bored with her housemates... and snapping at them when they suggested it was a good time to record a bunch of stuff that to do that SHE was the one on the hook to write whatever material so they could record it and they just didn't realize how HARD it is to do..... Remember when she told us HERSELF what a "prolific" songwriter she was, songs just POURING out of her every night and day... Clearly that's dried up. COVID would have been a perfect time to work out a plan for Rhiannon. I'm betting if not now, never.

[Jondalar]

she has consistently griped about not having time for that project "so many things to do" and then the universe gives her a gift of a WHOLE FRIGGING YEAR where she couldn't tour if she wanted to, and if she wanted to record she'd have to do it at home... so why not use all that free time (remember the whole buying a trailer in Malibu and living alone by the sea??? Seems like her apartment overhanging the PCH with it's great sea views would work just as well). Instead she b*tched about being soooooooo bored during COVID and not being able to go out. Her writing days are DONE. She could have worked all sorts of sh^t for the Rhiannon project.. wasn't she talking like a Broadway show in recent years?? NADA. She even moaned in several interviews about being bored with her housemates... and snapping at them when they suggested it was a good time to record a bunch of stuff that to do that SHE was the one on the hook to write whatever material so they could record it and they just didn't realize how HARD it is to do..... Remember when she told us HERSELF what a "prolific" songwriter she was, songs just POURING out of her every night and day... Clearly that's dried up. COVID would have been a perfect time to work out a plan for Rhiannon. I'm betting if not now, never.

You may be wrong. Consider the fact that Show Them Way was a song she wrote a long time ago and she was really happy with the way he produced it. I think that she may want him to produce other songs from the past that she has written because she liked what he did with Show Them the Way.

Also, Kurstin has won Record and Album of the year before. He has also produced numerous hits and I think that this is the type of person Stevie would want for her Rhiannon project.

[UnwindedDreams]

she has consistently griped about not having time for that project "so many things to do" and then the universe gives her a gift of a WHOLE FRIGGING YEAR where she couldn't tour if she wanted to, and if she wanted to record she'd have to do it at home... so why not use all that free time (remember the whole buying a trailer in Malibu and living alone by the sea??? Seems like her apartment overhanging the PCH with it's great sea views would work just as well). Instead she b*tched about being soooooooo bored during COVID and not being able to go out. Her writing days are DONE. She could have worked all sorts of sh^t for the Rhiannon project.. wasn't she talking like a Broadway show in recent years?? NADA. She even moaned in several interviews about being bored with her housemates... and snapping at them when they suggested it was a good time to record a bunch of stuff that to do that SHE was the one on the hook to write whatever material so they could record it and they just didn't realize how HARD it is to do..... Remember when she told us HERSELF what a "prolific" songwriter she was, songs just POURING out of her every night and day... Clearly that's dried up. COVID would have been a perfect time to work out a plan for Rhiannon. I'm betting if not now, never.
Chiffons would say to this that she spent the lockdown getting the 24 Karat Gold Tour video ready for theatrical and album release. And she even managed to release a new song!

[BombaySapphire3]

https://retropopmagazine.com/stevie-nicks-greg-kurstin-project-fleetwood-mac/



What happened with Dave? Remember when she said I'll never work on a record without Dave. This is her second project with Greg rather than Dave.

Name 3 solo albums where she had the same producer exclusively on each of the 3 albums. Show Them the Way is terrible. I think I would rather have another tonsillectomy than listen to an entire album of that .

[UnwindedDreams]

Name 3 solo albums where she had the same producer exclusively on each of the 3 albums. Show Them the Way is terrible. I think I would rather have another tonsillectomy than listen to an entire album of that .
I'm just taking what she said in her promo for IYD. Dave was responsible for the best year of her life.

[HomerMcvie]

Name 3 solo albums where she had the same producer exclusively on each of the 3 albums. Show Them the Way is terrible. I think I would rather have another tonsillectomy than listen to an entire album of that .
Doesn't $he sleep with all of the producers, and that's why they end their musical relationship with her?

[Jondalar]

Name 3 solo albums where she had the same producer exclusively on each of the 3 albums. Show Them the Way is terrible. I think I would rather have another tonsillectomy than listen to an entire album of that .

It’s not the production. The song was terrible. There has been no growth. She sucks.

[HomerMcvie]

It’s not the production. The song was terrible. There has been no growth. She sucks.
Sir, could I purchase you the drink of your choice?:cool:

[BombaySapphire3]

It’s not the production. The song was terrible. There has been no growth. She sucks.

So either way the album will be an unlistenable dud..unless she does all covers and they tweak her vocals to kingdom come.

[Jondalar]

So either way the album will be an unlistenable dud..unless she does all covers and they tweak her vocals to kingdom come.

Maybe co-writing will help.

[bombaysaffires]

Chiffons would say to this that she spent the lockdown getting the 24 Karat Gold Tour video ready for theatrical and album release. And she even managed to release a new song!

I'm not so sure that was a good thing....:shrug:


Name 3 solo albums where she had the same producer exclusively on each of the 3 albums. Show Them the Way is terrible. I think I would rather have another tonsillectomy than listen to an entire album of that .
:distress:

It’s not the production. The song was terrible. There has been no growth.
:(

[jwd]

There was a time when everything Stevie released was golden. I don't expect it anymore. She's best at harmonizing on somebody else's record these days. She's dumb for not recording with FM. That would be her best hope to release something worthwhile to listen to.

[HomerMcvie]

There was a time when everything Stevie released was golden. I don't expect it anymore. She's best at harmonizing on somebody else's record these days. She's dumb for not recording with FM. That would be her best hope to release something worthwhile to listen to.

Her ego has overridden her common sense.

[lilyfee]

Maybe she wants him to rearrange and possibly produce her Rhiannon material, to give it a contemporary rock and roll sound. That would be fascinating to hear, in my opinion, and I’d really look forward to it. (All those songs can be done differently from lugubrious piano ballads.) She ought to hop on that if she ever wants it to see the light of day.

She has been talking about the Rhiannon movie...

[Phoenixgypsy]

She has been talking about the Rhiannon movie...

...for the last 40 years! LOL. I would love to see all the songs of Rhiannon on an album. Maybe someone (Greg? Dave? Sheryl?) could take the old demos and clean them up a bit?

[UnwindedDreams]

She has been talking about the Rhiannon movie...

Now it's a series. And she did say she agreed to a studio. Perhaps this is the project.

I'd prefer an album. I can watch The Witcher or Maleficent for a Rhiannon film:laugh:

[BombaySapphire3]

...for the last 40 years! LOL. I would love to see all the songs of Rhiannon on an album. Maybe someone (Greg? Dave? Sheryl?) could take the old demos and clean them up a bit?

43 years to be exact:lol: Yeah they should use the vocals on the demos . To try and record the songs now with her current voice would be an abomination.

[BLY]

43 years to be exact:lol: Yeah they should use the vocals on the demos . To try and record the songs now with her current voice would be an abomination.

Yes..please use original vocals or scrap the project…with all due respect.😎

[Jondalar]

Free Brittany!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SLN1]

Now it's a series. And she did say she agreed to a studio. Perhaps this is the project.

I'd prefer an album. I can watch The Witcher or Maleficent for a Rhiannon film:laugh:
best guess is it would be with Ryan Murphy for Netflix

[UnwindedDreams]

best guess is it would be with Ryan Murphy for Netflix

Isn't Ryan Murphy always with 20th Century Fox, which owns FX ?

[SLN1]

Isn't Ryan Murphy always with 20th Century Fox, which owns FX ?

he has a 300 million deal with Netflix
I’m sure he has a lot more content to produce for them
and he and she are “friends”
just my guess
he has a house where I live
I’m hoping to run into him to ask about this

[Villavic]

Now it's a series. And she did say she agreed to a studio. Perhaps this is the project.

I'd prefer an album. I can watch The Witcher or Maleficent for a Rhiannon film:laugh:

I don't know if I'd be excited about a Rhiannon movie, series, play or anything. The song was even not inspired on the actual welsh legend. She just found the name, beautiful, after reading a novel, not the legend (though the characters are the same, or so I read), and she wrote the song.

Anyway, what story would be that in the movie or series?? I guess it would be another try like taking to Broadway Queen's or Rod Stewart's songs. Though I admit I've not seen those, I believe the only truly success of that idea was Mamma Mia, and shouldn't have been copied.

http://www.inherownwords.com/triadpb.jpg

[mitzo]

I'll be really surprised if this amounts to anything more than a single song for a soundtrack or something, or one new track to add to yet another compilation/retrospective. I think if she were working on an album or a film or something we would have more news than this.

[UnwindedDreams]

I'll be really surprised if this amounts to anything more than a single song for a soundtrack or something, or one new track to add to yet another compilation/retrospective. I think if she were working on an album or a film or something we would have more news than this.
Dave Stewart was all about sharing updates from 24 Karat recording but Kurstin may be a top secret guy.
I still think album. The handful of shows she's doing this year fits very well with the happenings of 2010... she did like 8 shows while recording IYD.

And I doubt soundtrack. She hates giving songs to movies

[bombaysaffires]

but this wouldn't be just any movie, it would be her movie... well, likely they'd built it out of Evangeline Walton's story which Stevie bought the rights to.

in may 2020 she was saying:

Stevie Nicks is hard at work amid the current coronavirus pandemic, working on both a book and a movie inspired by Fleetwood Mac's 1975 hit, "Rhiannon."

Speaking to Rolling Stone, Nicks, 71, revealed that working on the book and movie had already been her priority after Fleetwood Mac finished touring as part of their An Evening with Fleetwood Mac trek in late 2019.

"Last year, I made a pitch to everybody that when this Fleetwood Mac tour is over, I’m taking next year off because I want to work on my Rhiannon book/movie," she shared.

"And I want to maybe work with some different producers … I don’t know what I want to do! I just know that I don’t want a tour," she added.

Inspired by the book Triad by Mary Bartlet Leader about a woman named Branwen who is possessed by another woman named Rhiannon, the song was written by Nicks and originally recorded by Fleetwood Mac on their eponymous album in 1975.

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While speaking with the publication, Nicks also noted that she has "Rhiannon"-related poetry that she has been working on for decades that she hopes to record while in lockdown.


"I have some Rhiannon poetry that I have written over the last 30 years that I’ve kept very quiet," she shared.

"I’m thinking, 'Well here I have all this time and I have a recording setup.’ And I’m thinking I’m going to start doing some recording. I’m going to start putting some of these really beautiful poems to music, and I have the ability to record them. So that’s on my to-do list."

She added, "What all we have right now, if you’re home in quarantine, is time, unless you’re taking care of kids. So, really, you could do anything you wanted that you’ve been wanting to do your whole life. So that’s how I’m trying to look at it." (https://people.com/music/stevie-nicks-working-rhiannon-book-movie-amid-coronavirus/ )

And just 8 months ago she was talking about making it a tv series instead and picking who'd she want to cast:
LA TIMES Oct 1, 2020 "The moonlight confessions of Stevie Nicks"

When she wrote the song "Rhiannon" in 1973, she had little knowledge of the folklore behind the name. But five years later, a fan sent her four paperback novels in a Manila envelope — author Evangeline Walton's adaptation of the ancient British Mabinogion. Nicks was so transfixed by the literature that she eventually bought the rights to Walton's work in the hopes of bringing the epic to the big screen.

Because of the scope of the story, it was later decided that the movie should be a television miniseries, and earlier this year Nicks says she finally signed a deal with a studio to make it. She has 10 songs that she's never released, still on cassette tapes in a suitcase, set aside specifically for the project.

Despite her 2014 turn on "American Horror Story," Nicks has no plans to play a major role in the miniseries, though she's not opposed to the idea of "riding by on a white horse or something." She won't dish on her dream cast but says that Harry Styles "is definitely in the running."

Who's holding their breath?

[HomerMcvie]

$he's been talking about this project for 45 years. FORTY FIVE MF YEARS. :lol::lol::lol:

[Macfan4life]

$he's been talking about this project for 45 years. FORTY FIVE MF YEARS. :lol::lol::lol:
I'm waiting for the sequel Sister Honey

[lovethemac1]

Free Brittany!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, made me laugh out loud!!:laugh:

[vivfox]

$he's been talking about this project for 45 years. FORTY FIVE MF YEARS. :lol::lol::lol:

And for 45 years I've said there's never going to be a Rhiannon movie. And for all this talk about Stevie working on a new project with a new producer, none of it means anything to me so far. She has worked with other producers and ended up disliking their outcomes. So whatever this is, I'll believe it when I see it and hope to God I'll enjoy what I'm hearing. I'd still love to hear all the songs she recorded with Dallas Austin all those years ago.

[HomerMcvie]

And for 45 years I've said there's never going to be a Rhiannon movie. And for all this talk about Stevie working on a new project with a new producer, none of it means anything to me so far. She has worked with other producers and ended up disliking their outcomes. So whatever this is, I'll believe it when I see it and hope to God I'll enjoy what I'm hearing. I'd still love to hear all the songs she recorded with Dallas Austin all those years ago.

Well, $he's full of sh*t, and full of herself.

$he should be embarrassed, but $he even lacks the capacity for that, these days.

[On Ice]

I agree with VivFox- release the Dallas Austin Tapes! As with most of the music Stevie has scrapped over the years, it's probably really good!

[vivfox]

I agree with VivFox- release the Dallas Austin Tapes! As with most of the music Stevie has scrapped over the years, it's probably really good!

You're right. Think of "Call on me for Magic." That song is a masterpiece we never would have known about had not one of our Ledgies been checking out that producers web page. And while we're on the subject of producers, Stevie once hired Glyn Johns to produce Street Angel for her. She ended up disliking everything he produced for her and I gotta tell you, I have heard those tracks and they are all fantastic. She trashed all of them and redid the record and was never satisfied with its outcome. You know how you guys love to repeat Stevie's, "Well you wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan" line? Well Ann Wilson has the same story to tell about Glyn Johns as well. She says, " he called Nancy a 'Hippie'." Some people can be overly sensitive.

[HomerMcvie]

Well spank my ass and call me Rhonda....I never knew there was an Andy Johns. I knew there was a Glyn Johns, who worked with Led Zeppelin(and the Eagles first two albums).

Turns out they're brothers!

[bombaysaffires]

Wikipedia claims:

Modern Records also released a special long-form interview video on the making-of the album entitled, "Reflections from the Other Side of the Mirror", which contained newly filmed material shot by Herbert Worthington III.[2] However, it was limited to a worldwide release of 10,000 albums and only 500 VHS releases.

I can't recall ever having seen this video.... did anybody else see it??

[UnwindedDreams]

She added, "What all we have right now, if you’re home in quarantine, is time, unless you’re taking care of kids. So, really, you could do anything you wanted that you’ve been wanting to do your whole life. So that’s how I’m trying to look at it." (https://people.com/music/stevie-nicks-working-rhiannon-book-movie-amid-coronavirus/ )


Maybe she was into Peloton during the lockdown.

[BombaySapphire3]

Well spank my ass and call me Rhonda....I never knew there was an Andy Johns. I knew there was a Glyn Johns, who worked with Led Zeppelin(and the Eagles first two albums).

Turns out they're brothers!

She try to scrap the Glyn Johns sessions too and she said in an interview that he was rude to her during production and used very coarse language toward her. I'd love to know exactly what he said .:nod:

[HomerMcvie]

She try to scrap the Glyn Johns sessions too and she said in an interview that he was rude to her during production and used very coarse language toward her. I'd love to know exactly what he said .:nod:

If you've never seen History of the Eagles, they didn't really have kind things to say about him either. It was his way or the highway.

[Macfan4life]

She try to scrap the Glyn Johns sessions too and she said in an interview that he was rude to her during production and used very coarse language toward her. I'd love to know exactly what he said .:nod:
Remember that Street Angel recording sessions with him began in 1992 at her peak klonopin addiction. I cant even imagine working with someone so aloof and drugged. For what he had to work with, IMHO Street Angel turned out fine. I love the country rock feel of the album (yet Homer claims to like country rock but hates this album is beyond me). I dont like how Stevie blames everyone but herself for the flop album. She says she wanted to redo the vocals on the album. The vocals are fine. She was in a major decline in her life from 1992-1994. Its a miracle an album was even put out.

Maybe he said: Can you bloody show up on time? Who do you think you are? I've been here waiting for 2 hours. And Yes, I've told Bob Dylan that several times so stick a cork in it.

Also remember Street Angel had other songs on it that Glyn insisted Stevie put on the album. In revenge, she removed them and put Docklands, Jane on Listen To The Rain. Some of the songs removed were written by Glyn's son which is probably why Stevie removed them. Unconditional Love was supposed to be the lead single and supposedly a video was shot. Stevie went on a rage and never even bothered to do a video for her first single in many years which hurt the single and album. The songs removed were God's Garden, Inspiration, and I Call You Missing. 2 songs that people make fun of are Docklands because of "laundromat" and Jane because of "chimpanzee." Both those songs were added after Glyn walked away. But this was not the first time a producer walked away in the middle of an album with Stevie.

[snroxman]

re:The songs removed were God's Garden, Inspiration, and I Call You Missing.

"Inspiration" would have been a welcome addition! It was in my playlist for "Street Angel" for a few years.

With respect to the current work with Kurstin, I'm looking forward to see how that turns out.

[HomerMcvie]

Remember that Street Angel recording sessions with him began in 1992 at her peak klonopin addiction. I cant even imagine working with someone so aloof and drugged. For what he had to work with, IMHO Street Angel turned out fine. I love the country rock feel of the album (yet Homer claims to like country rock but hates this album is beyond me). I dont like how Stevie blames everyone but herself for the flop album. She says she wanted to redo the vocals on the album. The vocals are fine. She was in a major decline in her life from 1992-1994. Its a miracle an album was even put out.

Maybe he said: Can you bloody show up on time? Who do you think you are? I've been here waiting for 2 hours. And Yes, I've told Bob Dylan that several times so stick a cork in it.

Also remember Street Angel had other songs on it that Glyn insisted Stevie put on the album. In revenge, she removed them and put Docklands, Jane on Listen To The Rain. Some of the songs removed were written by Glyn's son which is probably why Stevie removed them. Unconditional Love was supposed to be the lead single and supposedly a video was shot. Stevie went on a rage and never even bothered to do a video for her first single in many years which hurt the single and album. The songs removed were God's Garden, Inspiration, and I Call You Missing. 2 songs that people make fun of are Docklands because of "laundromat" and Jane because of "chimpanzee." Both those songs were added after Glyn walked away. But this was not the first time a producer walked away in the middle of an album with Stevie.

With the Eagles, Glyn insisted on no drinking or drugs in the studio. Henley had no problem with it. Glenn had a problem with it, and he and Johns were "like oil and water".

[Macfan4life]

With the Eagles, Glyn insisted on no drinking or drugs in the studio. Henley had no problem with it. Glenn had a problem with it, and he and Johns were "like oil and water".
Stevie had not one but 2 ace producers walk away in the middle of an album because of drugs.
When she fired Frontline and blamed them for making her go to rehab, things got worse. She had 2 albums in a row in chaos. Timespace was not properly promoted where she toured months before the album was released and never did any of the new songs on stage. The tour ended and finally the album was released and no one cared. MTV really did not even play Sometimes Its A Bitch. Then when she was off the short tour, she was interviewed by Rhonda UP ALL NIGHT where she stated she already missed the road. Then she did finally perform a new song on Arsenio (too late girl). The promotion was all screwed up. The album and single/video released and then you do your TV spots and hit the road to promote it. Then klonopin also made Street Angel an train wreck to get through. Lord help you what people had to go through during the first year.
Missed opportunities big time. During the summer of 1991, the country was celebrating the end of the Persian Gulf war. She could have dedicated Desert Angel to the troops from the stage and even released it as on official song and dedicated proceeds to the troops. Ooops, I forgot. It was not released till months later.

[UnwindedDreams]

During the summer of 1991, the country was celebrating the end of the Persian Gulf war. She could have dedicated Dessert Angel to the troops from the stage and even released it as on official song and dedicated proceeds to the troops. Ooops, I forgot. It was not released till months later.
What happened with her Soldier's Angel charity?
Didn't she have a launch in 2007 where Cameron Crowe and Nancy Wilson came?

The last charity I heard of her doing was giving proceeds from Show The the Way to MusiCares.

[David]

Despite her 2014 turn on "American Horror Story," Nicks has no plans to play a major role in the miniseries, though she's not opposed to the idea of "riding by on a white horse or something." She won't dish on her dream cast but says that Harry Styles "is definitely in the running."

Who's holding their breath?Oh, yes, oh my! Harry Styles as the prince and Vanessa Carlton as the princess — a TV dream team. The Rabe actress, too. And Chris Nicks, surely there is a part for him? Seriously, though, I’d like to see Vince Gilligan write and produce it, rather than the American Horror dude, who strikes me as second rate.

[jwd]

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[Jondalar]

Stevie had not one but 2 ace producers walk away in the middle of an album because of drugs.
When she fired Frontline and blamed them for making her go to rehab, things got worse. She had 2 albums in a row in chaos. Timespace was not properly promoted where she toured months before the album was released and never did any of the new songs on stage. The tour ended and finally the album was released and no one cared. MTV really did not even play Sometimes Its A Bitch. Then when she was off the short tour, she was interviewed by Rhonda UP ALL NIGHT where she stated she already missed the road. Then she did finally perform a new song on Arsenio (too late girl). The promotion was all screwed up. The album and single/video released and then you do your TV spots and hit the road to promote it. Then klonopin also made Street Angel an train wreck to get through. Lord help you what people had to go through during the first year.
Missed opportunities big time. During the summer of 1991, the country was celebrating the end of the Persian Gulf war. She could have dedicated Desert Angel to the troops from the stage and even released it as on official song and dedicated proceeds to the troops. Ooops, I forgot. It was not released till months later.

Desert Angel was an embarrassment. It was God awful and didn't belong on any album. Nobody bought the album for that song.

[Macfan4life]

Desert Angel was an embarrassment. It was God awful and didn't belong on any album. Nobody bought the album for that song.
Come on now. She was born in the desert in a manger so she knows how it feels there. You may not care for the song. However, it was big news back in 1991 when Stevie wrote to the troops. Troops signed flags and sent them back to her. It was reported that she wrote a song. I surely was curious to hear it yet it was never released even as a tribute to the troops. Whether you like it or not is not the point. I was making the point how screwed up she was and her management was. By the time the album was released, the welcome home parades were over. Also how do you go on tour to promote and album and new songs and not perform at least one of the new songs.

[mitzo]

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Somehow this just doesn't say album to me, it seems more like a one-song thing.

[BombaySapphire3]

Somehow this just doesn't say album to me, it seems more like a one-song thing.

One horrible song already from that particular team is more than enough.

[UnwindedDreams]

Somehow this just doesn't say album to me, it seems more like a one-song thing.

Is it the gray video that gives that feel?

[michelej1]

Maybe he said: Can you bloody show up on time? Who do you think you are? I've been here waiting for 2 hours. And Yes, I've told Bob Dylan that several times so stick a cork in it.



I have been imagining what he said and thinking that maybe he called her an expletive. But I like your suggestion that maybe all he did was scold her work or work ethic and she could not take it.

[michelej1]

Somehow this just doesn't say album to me, it seems more like a one-song thing.

It would be like saying, “Gee, I wish there was a whole album of Mabel Normands.”

[michelej1]

Oh, yes, oh my! Harry Styles as the prince and Vanessa Carlton as the princess — a TV dream team. The Rabe actress, too. And Chris Nicks, surely there is a part for him? Seriously, though, I’d like to see Vince Gilligan write and produce it, rather than the American Horror dude, who strikes me as second rate.

Please don’t talk about Vince Gilligan. It makes me dizzy with longing. There’s one person who could make Gillian say yes one more time and it is Vince. It’s all I think about.

[Macfan4life]

I have been imagining what he said and thinking that maybe he called her an expletive. But I like your suggestion that maybe all he did was scold her work or work ethic and she could not take it.
Correct me if I am wrong but he never responded to her attacks? It shows what a bigger person he is. Good gosh can you imagine the stories he could tell and embarrass her.
Here is a little glimpse of what he had to deal with in early in the process. He thinks he brings her a hit song and slated for the first single. Can you sing this song Stevie? And this is how she sounded. Its really sad. I assume he knew he was over his head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orkM5BFaU2g

[jwd]

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Stevie thinks releasing "Show Them the Way" in October of last year helped Biden "win the election", no doubt. :laugh:

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie thinks releasing "Show Them the Way" in October of last year helped Biden "win the election", no doubt. :laugh:
"A song would set them free"
What does that mean?

[BombaySapphire3]

Stevie thinks releasing "Show Them the Way" in October of last year helped Biden "win the election", no doubt. :laugh:

I think that he won in spite of the song. Wow she really has become delusional in her dotage.

[HomerMcvie]

I think that he won in spite of the song. Wow she really has become delusional in her dotage.
$he really is delusional. It's a shame, really. For someone's egomania to go completely unchecked.

[bombaysaffires]

Correct me if I am wrong but he never responded to her attacks? It shows what a bigger person he is. Good gosh can you imagine the stories he could tell and embarrass her.
Here is a little glimpse of what he had to deal with in early in the process. He thinks he brings her a hit song and slated for the first single. Can you sing this song Stevie? And this is how she sounded. Its really sad. I assume he knew he was over his head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orkM5BFaU2g

more than the voice, and I really hate to say this....I could not get over those implants... holy cow I didn't remember her with those...:sorry:

[sue]

more than the voice, and I really hate to say this....I could not get over those implants... holy cow I didn't remember her with those...:sorry:

This whole look is just a disaster for me.
The worst she ever looked.

[UnwindedDreams]

Free Brittany!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stevie definitely won't be commenting to Free Britney as she gave Britney the Nicki Minaj treatment in 2003. Told her to wear some clothes and not to kiss a woman on tv.

[tothegypsy]

Stevie definitely won't be commenting to Free Britney as she gave Britney the Nicki Minaj treatment in 2003. Told her to wear some clothes and not to kiss a woman on tv.

I wouldn't be so sure. Lots of folks have different views than they held 18 years ago.

[UnwindedDreams]

I wouldn't be so sure. Lots of folks have different views than they held 18 years ago.
You think her view is different at 73 than when she was a fully grown adult at 55?

[APerfectLie]

I see the Stevie hate is still real up in here!

Not holding my breath for a new album or Rhiannon anything, but I’ll take what I can get!

[HomerMcvie]

I see the Stevie hate is still real up in here!

Not holding my breath for a new album or Rhiannon anything, but I’ll take what I can get!

People are just being honest about their feelings towards her. $he's a human being with flaws, just like everyone else. $he's gotten very full of herself ever since her Mother died. $he's not grounded, at all.

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?:shrug:

[UnwindedDreams]

People are just being honest about their feelings towards her. $he's a human being with flaws, just like everyone else. $he's gotten very full of herself ever since her Mother died. $he's not grounded, at all.

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?:shrug:
You know they deify her. She nor her art can be critiqued. She's messianic.

[Stevieforever]

There is nothing wrong with calling a spade, a spade. But I think all this so-called "honesty" is nothing more than justification for just being mean. The thing that kills me with this site is if you hate her so bad, then why are you even here? I just don't get it. Isn't this suppose to be a site for people that really like Stevie and her work? Maybe, if she bothers you as much as you say she does, you can take your "honesty" and go somewhere else with it. Or even start your own site for people that hate Stevie Nicks. It wouldn't break my heart to not have to read all this negative BS all the time.

[blinker12]

^They keep posting because they view themselves as defenders of the man she successfully dethroned and emasculated, which they in turn feel threatened by.

[UnwindedDreams]

which they in turn feel threatened by.

That's a bit of a sick statement.

Stevie Nicks is no champion for feminism or justice.
There is no record or history of that.
You want someone who walked the walk see Cyndi Lauper, Cher, Barbra Streisand, Bette Midler, Madonna, or Carole King.

[Jondalar]

Stevie definitely won't be commenting to Free Britney as she gave Britney the Nicki Minaj treatment in 2003. Told her to wear some clothes and not to kiss a woman on tv.

Isn't that sort of weird of Stevie, since Stevie screwed the 1970s. Who is she to judge? She may have worn more clothes than Britney but she slept with everyone, I'm sure a lot more than Britney.

[BigAl84]

Isn't that sort of weird of Stevie, since Stevie screwed the 1970s. Who is she to judge? She may have worn more clothes than Britney but she slept with everyone, I'm sure a lot more than Britney.

I think you're forgetting that Stevie wants the world to think that she was the good girl of rock and roll in the 70s...which is hilarious. She behaved no differently than other male or female rock stars of that era. She milks the drug addiction stories for dramatic interviews but sweeps everything else under the rug.

In recent years there has been this annoying exaggeration that because she wrote songs about her ex that it somehow automatically makes her a feminist.

[David]

^They keep posting because they view themselves as defenders of the man she successfully dethroned and emasculated, which they in turn feel threatened by.Taking Stevie down a peg used to be a great little parlor game. But it was done in a loving spirit, and it often provided comic relief. Now it’s mostly just a jackhammer attack. I blame Trump. No, just kidding, Jondalar, I love Trump.

[David]

In recent years there has been this annoying exaggeration that because she wrote songs about her ex that it somehow automatically makes her a feminist. Hmmm. . . good point.
Camille Paglia would say that Stevie’s sexual life, the numbers and the multiplicity, make Stevie a feminist icon. That I would buy. But Stevie has always had a streak of nutty puritanism in her: won’t take the blouse off, even when the shot doesn’t include boobs, but has two or three sexual relationships in the same short time frame (sometimes with married men), etc. She’s a puzzling contradiction. She’s a real star.

[bombaysaffires]

I think you're forgetting that Stevie wants the world to think that she was the good girl of rock and roll in the 70s...which is hilarious. She milks the drug addiction stories for dramatic interviews but sweeps everything else under the rug.

In recent years there has been this annoying exaggeration that because she wrote songs about her ex that it somehow automatically makes her a feminist.

and of the 80s also. She did an interview about how on her solo tours she and the girls can't just go out to bars and whatnot because they would automatically be classified as in her words "loose, roaming women". As someone else pointed out, sleeping with at *least* 2 of the male members of the original band (I remain unshocked should something about John come to light), also road flings with later band members (Rick), shared crew members with her female band member (Curry, and whoever else), relationships with studio engineers, nearly all her producers, at least one of the heads of her record company, various solo band members, her rehab coach who was in a committed relationship (a great romance, still forbidden, still outrageous), at least 3 members of the Eagles, a one night stand on a whim with Dave...... so yeah, the Victorian blushing virgin routine is quite.....laughable.

Not to mention she said back in the Bella Donna promo days that her approach being around the Eagles was to be "very quiet and unassuming around them and trick them to death"... not very feminist a la Janis Joplin who owned her sexuality or Grace Slick for that matter

[HomerMcvie]

and of the 80s also. She did an interview about how on her solo tours she and the girls can't just go out to bars and whatnot because they would automatically be classified as in her words "loose, roaming women". As someone else pointed out, sleeping with at *least* 2 of the male members of the original band (I remain unshocked should something about John come to light), also road flings with later band members (Rick), shared crew members with her female band member (Curry, and whoever else), relationships with studio engineers, nearly all her producers, at least one of the heads of her record company, various solo band members, her rehab coach who was in a committed relationship (a great romance, still forbidden, still outrageous), at least 3 members of the Eagles, a one night stand on a whim with Dave...... so yeah, the Victorian blushing virgin routine is quite.....laughable.

Not to mention she said back in the Bella Donna promo days that her approach being around the Eagles was to be "very quiet and unassuming around them and trick them to death"... not very feminist a la Janis Joplin who owned her sexuality or Grace Slick for that matter

So what EXACTLY did that make her? :shrug:




:lol::lol::lol:

[Jondalar]

and of the 80s also. She did an interview about how on her solo tours she and the girls can't just go out to bars and whatnot because they would automatically be classified as in her words "loose, roaming women". As someone else pointed out, sleeping with at *least* 2 of the male members of the original band (I remain unshocked should something about John come to light), also road flings with later band members (Rick), shared crew members with her female band member (Curry, and whoever else), relationships with studio engineers, nearly all her producers, at least one of the heads of her record company, various solo band members, her rehab coach who was in a committed relationship (a great romance, still forbidden, still outrageous), at least 3 members of the Eagles, a one night stand on a whim with Dave...... so yeah, the Victorian blushing virgin routine is quite.....laughable.

Not to mention she said back in the Bella Donna promo days that her approach being around the Eagles was to be "very quiet and unassuming around them and trick them to death"... not very feminist a la Janis Joplin who owned her sexuality or Grace Slick for that matter

I heard she slept with the entire 3am shift at the Waffle House. She is woman with wide canyon.

[bombaysaffires]

Listen, I don't care or judge her for her sex life. She behaved no differently than men in rock and roll.

I am calling out the hypocrisy of playing the innocent and/or gaslighting everyone about your behavior. Why even engage? Just make your personal life off limits. This is harder for her because she has built her reputation as a songwriter on mining her personal/romantic life. So why not just own it? She came of age in the free wheeling 60s and then into the 70s, so it wasn't like society wasn't already aware of women's sexuality. In many ways she's a product of the 50s when she was raised, and her parents' morals. She's not always as with the times as she would like to think. She's gotten more open about some stuff since her parents are gone.

But beyond her sex life, which again I don't care about, she very much catered to powerful men in her life and career, and played on her femininity and attractiveness and downplayed her ambitions to get men to help her or do things for her. This is NOT "feminist". Again, it's the hypocrisy I find annoying.

[michelej1]

No, this isn’t a site for people who love Stevie and her work. Not necessarily. It’s a site for people who are interested in Fleetwood Mac. There were 16 members of Fleetwood Mac (not counting Neil and Mike) and people interested in any of those 16 people and any combination of the same might be here. You shouldn’t expect everyone on the Fleetwood Mac site to love Stevie.

[michelej1]

Taking Stevie down a peg used to be a great little parlor game. But it was done in a loving spirit, and it often provided comic relief. Now it’s mostly just a jackhammer attack. I blame Trump. No, just kidding, Jondalar, I love Trump.

I agree with the jackhammer. Criticism is one thing. Childish name-calling with no substantive observations to accompany it is another.

[mitzo]

I agree with the jackhammer. Criticism is one thing. Childish name-calling with no substantive observations to accompany it is another.

It is not healthy for the board, is it, traffic here has declined alarmingly.

[HomerMcvie]

It is not healthy for the board, is it, traffic here has declined alarmingly.

It's always been slow here when the band is doing nothing, which is exactly what they're doing right now. Except Lindsey.

But your suggesting "canceling" the poster is ludicrous. MOMMY, HE UPSETS ME!

[mitzo]

It's always been slow here when the band is doing nothing, which is exactly what they're doing right now. Except Lindsey.

But your suggesting "canceling" the poster is ludicrous. MOMMY, HE UPSETS ME!

?? I don't think I suggested cancelling anyone. Although people do get banned from the forum sometimes.

[michelej1]

It is not healthy for the board, is it, traffic here has declined alarmingly.

Why do you care that traffic has declined? Board health considerations doesn’t make this a place for only people who love Stevie.

[Jondalar]

Why do you care that traffic has declined? Board health considerations doesn’t make this a place for only people who love Stevie.

Amen sister! People don't come here much anymore because they don't like Stevie. I mean she did get Lindsey fired. She is also responsible for the lack of a new album and she is totally full of herself. She is the pooh, so take a whiff.

[HomerMcvie]

?? I don't think I suggested cancelling anyone. Although people do get banned from the forum sometimes.

They sure do! People that come here telling ~the powers that be~ how to run the board. :p

[HomerMcvie]

Amen sister! People don't come here much anymore because they don't like Stevie. I mean she did get Lindsey fired. She is also responsible for the lack of a new album and she is totally full of herself. She is the pooh, so take a whiff.

Yep. She's the worst thing that ever happened to FM. She killed their creativity.

[mitzo]

Why do you care that traffic has declined? Board health considerations doesn’t make this a place for only people who love Stevie.

I was just replying to your earlier post:

"I agree with the jackhammer. Criticism is one thing. Childish name-calling with no substantive observations to accompany it is another."