Thoughts on the Fleetwood Mac Live reissue

[bwboy]

I’ve been waiting to read what folks think of it. I’ve only listened to the new cd once and I have to say I wasn’t real impressed. The worst versions of Second Hand News, The Chain, and Think About Me I’ve ever heard, unfortunately. I suppose they’ll grow on me. Brown Eyes is fantastic. Admittedly, there are few live versions to compare it to, but Christine’s vocals are incredible here.

I haven’t had a chance to listen to the remastered version of the original CDs but I’m sure the sound will be much better. I’m not going to complain about the price because there’s no point and besides, I didn’t have to buy it. It was my decision to do so. I just can’t help but be disappointed the Tusk documentary wasn’t included as well. I mean, is the studio holding out for a dvd/blu ray package at some point, are the copyrights in some sort of legal limbo, or what? I’d say they’re being lazy but clearly a lot of thought and effort went into these rereleases, so I wish they would say why the Tusk documentary and Mirage concerts weren’t also released on dvd/blu ray as well.

Anyway, what do other folks think of this reissue?

[David]

I’ve been waiting to read what folks think of it. I’ve only listened to the new cd once and I have to say I wasn’t real impressed. The worst versions of Second Hand News, The Chain, and Think About Me I’ve ever heard, unfortunately.

Just curious: When you say those are the worst versions you’ve ever heard, how many versions have you heard? Have you heard Second Hand News and The Chain live from 1982? Think About Me live from 1980? Do these particular nights stand out as bad to you? Or do you just not like the way the band did these songs on these tours?

I’ll go out on a not-very-long limb here and say that there really isn’t much difference in performance in those songs from their respective tours. The Chain, for example, sounds nearly identical to the commercially released performance on the video and later on the Mirage deluxe set. They were recorded on successive nights in LA, after all. Second Hand News Los Angeles sounds like Oakland, which sounds like Memphis, which sounds like Detroit, which sounds like Minneapolis, which sounds like Austin, and on and on. There is no great variety in the performance quality of most songs on the short 1982 tour. We’ve heard most of them on audience and soundboard tapes, after all.

Think About Me was played live only for about a month in 1980. Have you heard other performances of it from that time (Hollywood Bowl, Mobile, Wichita, Atlanta), or is this the first time you’ve heard the song done live from that year?

[HomerMcvie]

*blank stare at the stairs*

[BombaySapphire3]

I still find it peculiar that they went for the $100 deluxe edition for a flop album. There is no other way to describe it when every other album whether studio , live or compilation from the Rumours five at least went multi- platinum .Some of the albums from the so called 'wilderness years' have handily outsold this one.

[Macfan4life]

I still find it peculiar that they went for the $100 deluxe edition for a flop album. There is no other way to describe it when every other album whether studio , live or compilation from the Rumours five at least went multi- platinum .Some of the albums from the so called 'wilderness years' have handily outsold this one.
I know, I am glad they did though. The Live album is one of my all time favorites. When I upgraded my albums and tapes to CDs in the early 90s, this was one of the first replacements.....even before Rumours and Tusk. I don't even have the Dance on CD. Its just so sterile for me. I bought the tape because I wanted to listen to it in my car and my car did not have a CD player LOL

Could you imagine if you could go back in time and tell Mick and Warner brothers on a gloomy sales day in 1980, "Dont worry, in 40 years the reissue will be selling for $100 per copy" :eek:

[bwboy]

Just curious: When you say those are the worst versions you’ve ever heard, how many versions have you heard? Have you heard Second Hand News and The Chain live from 1982? Think About Me live from 1980? Do these particular nights stand out as bad to you? Or do you just not like the way the band did these songs on these tours?

I’ll go out on a not-very-long limb here and say that there really isn’t much difference in performance in those songs from their respective tours. The Chain, for example, sounds nearly identical to the commercially released performance on the video and later on the Mirage deluxe set. They were recorded on successive nights in LA, after all. Second Hand News Los Angeles sounds like Oakland, which sounds like Memphis, which sounds like Detroit, which sounds like Minneapolis, which sounds like Austin, and on and on. There is no great variety in the performance quality of most songs on the short 1982 tour. We’ve heard most of them on audience and soundboard tapes, after all.

Think About Me was played live only for about a month in 1980. Have you heard other performances of it from that time (Hollywood Bowl, Mobile, Wichita, Atlanta), or is this the first time you’ve heard the song done live from that year?

All good points. The only live versions of Think About Me I’d heard before were from the last FM tour with Lindsey, and I thought it was really well done. This version, perhaps I had higher hopes because it was from 1980 and I thought it would sound better. It’s not very tight and I’m disappointed in the ending- I love the harmonies and back up “ooh ooh ooh ooh” vocals, and this live version doesn’t have much of that. Second Hand News I’ve heard live many times, and this version is loud, more of a rock song, and I don’t know how to explain it, except to say it’s less catchy. The Chain, again I’m very disappointed in the ending. I’m sure the more I listen to it, the more I’ll come to accept the differences for positives, but my initial listen was disappointing. Really loved What Makes You Think You’re the One!

This was the first time I’ve heard Hold Me from 1982, and it was really well done! I thought it would a messy song to perform live, but they were pretty tight. I’m looking forward to listening to the other CD today.

[Macfan4life]

All good points. The only live versions of Think About Me I’d heard before were from the last FM tour with Lindsey, and I thought it was really well done. This version, perhaps I had higher hopes because it was from 1980 and I thought it would sound better. It’s not very tight and I’m disappointed in the ending- I love the harmonies and back up “ooh ooh ooh ooh” vocals, and this live version doesn’t have much of that. Second Hand News I’ve heard live many times, and this version is loud, more of a rock song, and I don’t know how to explain it, except to say it’s less catchy. The Chain, again I’m very disappointed in the ending. I’m sure the more I listen to it, the more I’ll come to accept the differences for positives, but my initial listen was disappointing. Really loved What Makes You Think You’re the One!

This was the first time I’ve heard Hold Me from 1982, and it was really well done! I thought it would a messy song to perform live, but they were pretty tight. I’m looking forward to listening to the other CD today.
Everything was a different sound back in the day. I call it arena rock. You cant even compare The Chain 1980 or 1982 to The Dance The Chain 1997. Its apples and watermelons. Of course Think About Me in 2014 is going to sound different than 1980. Technology changed and the Mac wants to sound like the studio in live shows these days.
Many of us (including me) much prefer this raw, unpolished, and arena rock sound. Your description of Second Hand News makes me want to hear the song and probably like it more with what you call it "Loud and a rock song" That sounds so good to me.

[bwboy]

Everything was a different sound back in the day. I call it arena rock. You cant even compare The Chain 1980 or 1982 to The Dance The Chain 1997. Its apples and watermelons. Of course Think About Me in 2014 is going to sound different than 1980. Technology changed and the Mac wants to sound like the studio in live shows these days.
Many of us (including me) much prefer this raw, unpolished, and arena rock sound. Your description of Second Hand News makes me want to hear the song and probably like it more with what you call it "Loud and a rock song" That sounds so good to me.

I see what you’re saying and you’re probably right. But listening to Think About Me again, my disappointment isn’t that it doesn’t sound polished, it’s that they changed the ending. There is no “ooh ooh ooh” section at the end, which was my favorite part of the song, and technology aside back in 1980, they could have kept that section but chose not to. Maybe it wouldn’t have sounded as polished, though. It’s kind of like if they performed Big Love and then ended the song before all the grunts lol. The live versions of Landslide, Go Your Own Way, and Sara are my favorite, and they’re very faithful but still have enough differences from the recorded versions to sound unique, especially Landslide.

Have you bought or heard the record and if so, what are your thoughts? I’m really excited to hear what others think.

[BLY]

My box set arrives today and I can’t wait to play it all. These box sets are the best treasures for a fan since the 70’s. It’s worth every penny IMO. These live tracks showcase Fleetwood Mac in their prime.

[On Ice]

I was a big fan of Live when it came out in 1980 and had high expectations for it, along the lines of the Eagles live but unfortunately I think Tusk's initial cold reaction dampened enthusiasm and sales. The only quip I had was the version of Don't Stop, like why not an actual concert? As for the new set, so much to like. I love Stevie's growl on Angel and Sisters of the Moon, she had perfected it during the Tusk tour. I could listen to her sing like that for days. Sisters of the Moon is awesome and I really love the Cecelia lyrics at the end, her voice is among the best live voice I've ever heard from her. A big surprise is What Makes You Think You're the One- translates amazing to the stage- so surprised it never made single status and Lindsey's shining moment on this reissue. The keyboard driven Think About Me is also a great listen, to this day I'm shocked this song was not a monster hit, it's truly outstanding and as good or better than You Make Loving Fun. Brown Eyes and Hold Me showcase just how much Christine's voice was improving live, not that she was ever bad, but it was so much stronger. I'm going to enjoy this reissue for years to come, reminds me of why I was such a committed fan for so long and great memories from my teen years. Love it. :]

[jbrownsjr]

I really love the new stuff!! Especially the start of the bonus album. It does feel like a nice show if you close your eyes and forget about which versions you know, etc.

Second Hand News A (Wow what an energy charge!)

The Chain A- (Cleveland sounds like Los Angeles!)

Think About Me A (This is fantastic! Great "performance")

What Makes You Think You’re The One A (Cleanest version I've heard)

Gold Dust Woman A- (Wonderful arrangement, embarrassed to say, I didn't catch the lyric mishap)

Brown Eyes A (This is so good. Very clean and wonderful)

The Green Manalishi A (Great energy)

Angel B (I've heard better versions, something off about this one)

Hold Me B+ (Still not as good as her solo tour)
{Should have been on the HBO special}

Tusk A- (Don't care for this live, but it's the best I've heard to date. The accordion is great in this, along with the extension of the song)

You Make Loving Fun B (Ho hum, Not their best. The Tusk Live Deluxe is better by far. )

Sisters Of The Moon B- (Very vanilla version, vocals eeek)

Songbird B- (This is the Songbird they choose? Again, the Tusk Wembley version is so much better. )

Blue Letter B+ (I really adore the HBO version)

Fireflies – B- (Ok, what's different?)

[jmn3]

Fireflies – B- (Ok, what's different?)

I love that it's tagged "Long Version" but it's actually quite a bit shorter than the original

[sleepless child]

Mine is due to be delivered tomorrow. I thought a reissue of a live album was pretty strange, but I sprang for the Rhino release with all the goodies. I too love that raw sound. You didn't know what you might hear. Today, every concert is pretty much the same.

[jmn3]

I love the added stuff, it really fills in some obvious gaps in the original Live album. It's not all perfect, but it's a perfect time capsule of Fleetwood Mac in their 1977-82 prime. Some of my favorites...

Second Hand News - I love this as an opener, it's rocking, quick, and full of energy. To my ears, an improvement over using Say You Love Me.

The Chain - The '82 Chain disguising itself as an '80. It is pretty much note for note (99%) as the version from the next night. I thought they nailed it on this tour. The version on the Tusk Deluxe is pretty amazing as well, until I heard that, the Mirage Tour Video was always my favorite version. This one is great. Christine's organ, all of their vocals, Lindsey's guitar...spot on!

Gold Dust Woman - I love this version, the intro really sets the mood. I'll still say she really got this one right on The Dance, but I think this is a great addition.

Brown Eyes - love, love, love this. Why they played it again in 1987-88 but never since is beyond me.

Hold Me - This was the one I waited for. A cleaned up non bootleg version of Hold Me. Count me in as someone who loves the 'yeahhhhs' they did in 1982. This really sounds good!

There isn't really a bad song added, some of them are just same old things I've heard before so nothing overly interesting.

[soul_drifter333]

I was a big fan of Live when it came out in 1980 and had high expectations for it, along the lines of the Eagles live but unfortunately I think Tusk's initial cold reaction dampened enthusiasm and sales. The only quip I had was the version of Don't Stop, like why not an actual concert? As for the new set, so much to like. I love Stevie's growl on Angel and Sisters of the Moon, she had perfected it during the Tusk tour. I could listen to her sing like that for days. Sisters of the Moon is awesome and I really love the Cecelia lyrics at the end, her voice is among the best live voice I've ever heard from her. A big surprise is What Makes You Think You're the One- translates amazing to the stage- so surprised it never made single status and Lindsey's shining moment on this reissue. The keyboard driven Think About Me is also a great listen, to this day I'm shocked this song was not a monster hit, it's truly outstanding and as good or better than You Make Loving Fun. Brown Eyes and Hold Me showcase just how much Christine's voice was improving live, not that she was ever bad, but it was so much stronger. I'm going to enjoy this reissue for years to come, reminds me of why I was such a committed fan for so long and great memories from my teen years. Love it. :]

Yeah, I agree with you. Live was always one of my favorites and I was starting to think we weren't going to get a deluxe edition for it. I had a chance to listen to it several times now and love everything on it. After several listens I now recognize what Stevie is saying at the end of SOTM but didn't realize it was from Cecelia. This is something that I will enjoy for years, and so glad we got it after being in the vault for 40 years!

As for the haters, if you don't want to buy it then don't. There are digital files for $18 if $100 is too much, but to come on here and try to spoil other people enjoyment over your own hateful rederick makes you out to be nothing more than another internet troll.

[David]

I listened to some of the first disc and the third disc at low volume (my dog was sleeping) last night on Spotify. The labeling on all three discs is all screwed up. That’s disappointing and yet a little comical at this stage of the game. I’ll listen again at higher volume because I’m curious to see whether intros and outros contain a little more data, with the remastering.

The Santa Monica Civic Auditorium cuts are dated Sept. 4. New one on me. If it’s correct, it means that these things didn’t come from a band rehearsal in July for the final leg — my working hypothesis. Why would the band gather to play for anything three days after the tour ended? I can only conclude that they intended to play new things for the live album they already had planned, and maybe to record some bits and pieces of things for patching. In fact, maybe Stevie’s wondrously bronchial singing on “Sara” was recorded here and then laid on the instrumental tracks from St. Louis almost a year earlier.

I love the third disc. I love “What Makes You Think,” but I knew I would anyway. (If “So Afraid” was a bulldog onstage, this was a kangaroo on a sugar high — imagine Bobby Van on a pogo stick.) The August 1980 performances mark the band’s live apogee in my brain. There’s nothing before or since in this incarnation’s live cycles that capture the preternatural communication among the musicians and that end-of-tour enervation, bundled with such individuality and such personal voice (no other band in the world sounded like Fleetwood Mac in August 1980). To my ears and eyes, it’s like the sexually desperate, sophisticated waning of a great culture before implosion — it’s Fleetwood Mac’s Weimar period.

“Angel” is supposed to be from Richfield Coliseum, the same show used for the 20/20 TV show. Has anyone checked the two for confirmation? “Angel” is splendid here, but I don’t know whether it’s actually Cleveland as advertised. We were also supposed to get “The Chain” from Cleveland on this album, but we know we got LA 1982. I had really hoped we’d get at least something from the Bowl 1980 because, after all, it was supposed to be the original Live album. Maybe when they reissue this three-disc package a few years from now, they’ll suddenly “find” some Bowl cuts and add them?

Stevie’s harmony singing on “Second Hand News” is powerfully spot on. She matches Lindsey’s drive yelp for yelp. Neither one of them is going to let the other outpace. That kind of competition is so much more thrilling than the staged melodrama on “Silver Springs” in 1997. Give me this genuine musical athleticism any day. I think I was at that LA show, too, but hearing it now doesn’t spark any specific memories other than what was filmed.

And we’ve all complained, even the reviewers: I wish they could have added a fourth disc instead of all the vinyl crap and repro tour collectibles. Who needs that garbage, especially when it displaces another disc of old concert audio?

My grade: A–
It’s about as great as the white, Rumours, and Tusk deluxe sets, and better than the Mirage and Tango sets. I look forward to reading the Wild article and seeing the pictures.

[HomerMcvie]

As for the haters, if you don't want to buy it then don't. There are digital files for $18 if $100 is too much, but to come on here and try to spoil other people enjoyment over your own hateful rederick makes you out to be nothing more than another internet troll.

:lol::lol::lol:
Dramatic much?
$100 IS TOO MUCH. If you don't want to hear other people's opinions, perhaps you shouldn't come to community forums!

Btw, have I mentioned that $100 IS TOO MUCH?

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, I agree with you. Live was always one of my favorites and I was starting to think we weren't going to get a deluxe edition for it. I had a chance to listen to it several times now and love everything on it. After several listens I now recognize what Stevie is saying at the end of SOTM but didn't realize it was from Cecelia. This is something that I will enjoy for years, and so glad we got it after being in the vault for 40 years!

As for the haters, if you don't want to buy it then don't. There are digital files for $18 if $100 is too much, but to come on here and try to spoil other people enjoyment over your own hateful rederick makes you out to be nothing more than another internet troll.

I like it, I swear!!! ;) I give it an A-. There were a few times I was underwhelmed. But, not often.

[BombaySapphire3]

:lol::lol::lol:
Dramatic much?
$100 IS TOO MUCH. If you don't want to hear other people's opinions, perhaps you shouldn't come to community forums!

Btw, have I mentioned that $100 IS TOO MUCH?

Hey enough with the hateful rederick!:lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Hey enough with the hateful rederick!:lol:

Wtf is rederick, anyway?

And I'm rarely hateful, but usually a smart ass. Don't confuse the two!

[guillamene]

If there was only one officially released Fleetwood Mac CD that I could take to a desert island, it would be LIVE.( I should point out that I always skip Not that Funny,Never Going back Again and One More Lonely Night) Still awaiting the box, but based on one itunes listening of Disc 3, I am happy with it- despite the apparent inaccuracy with dates and venues, which is really unacceptable.
I have about 100 + live shows from 1975-2019, so I am familiar with live versions of these songs . That said, disc three has some great material. Stand outs at first listening were Hold Me, Brown Eyes and -much to my surprise- Tusk , which is much more 'fluid' than later versions.

[BombaySapphire3]

Wtf is rederick, anyway?


I thought it southern for rhetoric:shrug::)

[HomerMcvie]

I thought it southern for rhetoric:shrug::)

I'm not certain, as Imma Yankee transplant. Although I'm fixin' to pull up my britches and find out(those are my two favorite southern words).

I hadn't even figured out that they were trying to spell rhetoric! :wavey:

[sue]

I'm not certain, as Imma Yankee transplant. Although I'm fixin' to pull up my britches and find out(those are my two favorite southern words).

I hadn't even figured out that they were trying to spell rhetoric! :wavey:

I’m from a little town near Birmingham, deep in Christine homeland...the Black Country.
And even I knew what BS3 meant!!...

I’ve been persuaded ..I’m buying mine tomorrow, can’t wait.:]:]

[BLY]

Great packaging of the Live box set. The demos of Fireflies and One More Night are amazing with those clean youthful voices. I will be listening to the three discs tomorrow. Some great never before pictures of outtakes from the album cover.

[jbrownsjr]

If there was only one officially released Fleetwood Mac CD that I could take to a desert island, it would be LIVE.( I should point out that I always skip Not that Funny,Never Going back Again and One More Lonely Night) Still awaiting the box, but based on one itunes listening of Disc 3, I am happy with it- despite the apparent inaccuracy with dates and venues, which is really unacceptable.
I have about 100 + live shows from 1975-2019, so I am familiar with live versions of these songs . That said, disc three has some great material. Stand outs at first listening were Hold Me, Brown Eyes and -much to my surprise- Tusk , which is much more 'fluid' than later versions.

That's the best Tusk Live, that I've heard. It's fluid, it makes more sense as a song, it jams to give the crowd energy.

I've always thought it was just filler live.

[BombaySapphire3]

I’m from a little town near Birmingham, deep in Christine homeland...the Black Country.
And even I knew what BS3 meant!!...

I’ve been persuaded ..I’m buying mine tomorrow, can’t wait.:]:]

From what I understand the dialect spoken in the Black Country of the Midlands is the oldest version of English in existence !

[UnwindedDreams]

Great packaging of the Live box set. The demos of Fireflies and One More Night are amazing with those clean youthful voices. I will be listening to the three discs tomorrow. Some great never before pictures of outtakes from the album cover.

Is Fireflies just Stevie and keys? Thank you!

[BLY]

Is Fireflies just Stevie and keys? Thank you!

It’s only her voice but it may have more then keys... I have only listened to it once.

[aleuzzi]

I’m underwhelmed by the reissue. Of the new offerings, “The Chain” stands out as excellent. I love it, love it, love it. The rest is fair-to-good but not outstanding. “Angel” sounds decent but without SEEING Stevie doing the dancehall bit on stage I’m not especially excited. Her vocals on “Gold Dust” are flat. Why pick an unadventurous version of “Sisters” when there are other well-known better ones?

Christine sounds best on “Brown Eyes, though it’s not an obvious song to do live. Her vocals on “TAM” are better than the YouTube one that’s been floating around for years, but the rest of the band don’t sound as energized. She sounds tired on “YMLF” and outright exhausted on “Songbird.” “Hold Me” is lovely and fun.

Lindsey fares best because his raucous songs are best suited to the stadiums. “WMYTYTO” and “Tusk” shine here. Still, I’m not terribly interested in repeated listenings.

The original release’s version of “Not That Funny” is good, but nowhere near as good as the Mirage tour version on YouTube.

So, in all, meh. I’m glad for “The Chain.”

[sue]

From what I understand the dialect spoken in the Black Country of the Midlands is the oldest version of English in existence !

Aaah Beorma’s tribe..Anglo-Saxons, from the 7th century..

I’ve lost most of my accent as I’ve lived in Hampshire (via Yorkshire) for 40 years..until I phone my sister.... hahaha

[BombaySapphire3]

Aaah Beorma’s tribe..Anglo-Saxons, from the 7th century..

I’ve lost most of my accent as I’ve lived in Hampshire (via Yorkshire) for 40 years..until I phone my sister.... hahaha

I know what you mean .I have not lived in my native Philadelphia in decades but within hours of getting off of the plane at Philly international I start calling water wooder again.

[WatchChain]

I LOVE Stevie's wailing and howling at the end of "The Green Manalishi (With the Two Prong Crown)". Tear it up, sis !!

[greendaze5]

LOVE LOVE LOVE the exuberance of 'Second Hand News'! What a great opener! :thumbsup:

'Hold Me' - Yeah, I'm liking the 'yeahs'! :nod:

An earlier version of 'Sisters of the Moon' would've been better (something similar to the documentary video) where Stevie doesn't annoyingly talk-sing the words, and she does the awesome "It's you, it's you, it's you, it's you..." instead of the birds flying away lines.

'Angel' - much better on the doc video too. Too much growling and she sounds worn out. Like 'Sisters', an earlier version would've been better before the tour became a yearlong grind for them all.

Some of the performance credits are screwy. Wasn't 'Rhiannon' actually from the 'Rumours' tour (not 1980 as listed)? And 'Monday Morning' as well? This wasn't done on the 'Tusk' tour.

The booklet's a disappointment. Could've been more pics. Do we really need 2 full pages of the audience, and a page and a half of the clean-up crew? :(

[jmn3]

Some of the performance credits are screwy. Wasn't 'Rhiannon' actually from the 'Rumours' tour (not 1980 as listed)? And 'Monday Morning' as well? This wasn't done on the 'Tusk' tour.
(

Yes, that Rhiannon is definitely from the Rumours tour. At no point on the Tusk Tour was she singing it at that level still. And Monday Morning was definitely from 1977 too. They did open with it on the later dates of the Tusk Tour but that version is older.

I don't understand how these things get screwed up. Basic stuff which should be easy to correct. Same with The Chain being from Cleveland 1980 but really being from LA 1982. I guess they figure the 'masses' wouldn't have a clue nor care.

[greendaze5]

I don't understand how these things get screwed up. Basic stuff which should be easy to correct. Same with The Chain being from Cleveland 1980 but really being from LA 1982. I guess they figure the 'masses' wouldn't have a clue nor care.

Not to mention 'Over My Head', given as 8/24/80. :confused:

We all know Christine only did 'Over and Over' and 'Think About Me' (at least for a few shows) for the 'Tusk' tour.

I've always found it curious that while Stevie and Lindsey did a couple of their new songs on this tour, Christine held back. Was she herself not comfortable with her new material? Or was it a group consensus when deciding the set list?

It would've been cool if she did 'Brown Eyes', instead of waiting till 1982. Or my personal fav 'Honey Hi'. :nod:

[jmn3]

Not to mention 'Over My Head', given as 8/24/80. :confused:

We all know Christine only did 'Over and Over' and 'Think About Me' (at least for a few shows) for the 'Tusk' tour.

I've always found it curious that while Stevie and Lindsey did a couple of their new songs on this tour, Christine held back. Was she herself not comfortable with her new material? Or was it a group consensus when deciding the set list?

It would've been cool if she did 'Brown Eyes', instead of waiting till 1982. Or my personal fav 'Honey Hi'. :nod:

These are the things I want to hear about in interviews! I don't care about 99% of what people talk to them about. I want to know why Chris didn't play Brown Eyes throughout the ridiculously long Tusk Tour but somehow thought to play it in 1982 and then yet again 5 years later after Lindsey left?

I do think Chris tends to stick to hits. Even in some of her Mirage-era introductions of Brown Eyes, she feels compelled to call it an obscure song from an obscure album. Even as late as 2015 she basically talked down Think About Me during introductions and I want to say did the same with All Over Again on their last dumb tour. It's probably why we never hear anything from her pre-1975 catalog anymore. And I guarantee without Lindsey's pushing, she wouldn't have even thought about playing Wish You Were Here on BuckVie.

[bwboy]

I've always found it curious that while Stevie and Lindsey did a couple of their new songs on this tour, Christine held back. Was she herself not comfortable with her new material? Or was it a group consensus when deciding the set list?

I remember a recent interview where Stevie made a comment along the lines of “with Tusk, we were touring for an album some of us didn’t care for, singing songs we weren’t crazy about” or something to that effect. If she was referring to herself and Christine, then that would explain why Christine didn’t sing many songs from Tusk live for that tour. I think Stevie sang Sara, Sisters of the Moon, and Angel, and on subsequent tours she sang Storms and Beautiful Child.

[greendaze5]

I remember a recent interview where Stevie made a comment along the lines of “with Tusk, we were touring for an album some of us didn’t care for, singing songs we weren’t crazy about” or something to that effect. If she was referring to herself and Christine, then that would explain why Christine didn’t sing many songs from Tusk live for that tour. I think Stevie sang Sara, Sisters of the Moon, and Angel, and on subsequent tours she sang Storms and Beautiful Child.

Knowing how Stevie always loves her own songs, it must've been a jab at Lindsey's 'Tusk' material.

[BigAl84]

I love the set. I think it's great that we now have two live versions of Angel from the beginning and end of the tour in great sonic clarity.

I'm still curious why they apparently have some tracks from the forum 82 show that sound amazing and they released some on this set....yet a few years back on the mirage reissue it was just a cleaned up version of the laserdisc audio. Perhaps they discovered tapes after the mirage project was released?

Also, Dreams isnt actually from a Paris soundcheck at all. It's the same audio from this video, shot in 77:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ywicffOj4

The labeling in general is a complete disaster. Instead of the intern at Warner Bros, they should of had our very own David be in charge of that task.

[Macfan4life]

I remember a recent interview where Stevie made a comment along the lines of “with Tusk, we were touring for an album some of us didn’t care for, singing songs we weren’t crazy about” or something to that effect. If she was referring to herself and Christine, then that would explain why Christine didn’t sing many songs from Tusk live for that tour. I think Stevie sang Sara, Sisters of the Moon, and Angel, and on subsequent tours she sang Storms and Beautiful Child.
I love Chris's humor during the US Festival when Lindsey introduces a Tusk song and Chris says "Its the album that all of you hated"

LOL
:)

[jbrownsjr]

I love Chris's humor during the US Festival when Lindsey introduces a Tusk song and Chris says "Its the album that all of you hated"

LOL
:)

She's amazing. hahaha

[vivfox]

“Angel” is supposed to be from Richfield Coliseum, the same show used for the 20/20 TV show. Has anyone checked the two for confirmation? “Angel” is splendid here, but I don’t know whether it’s actually Cleveland as advertised.


They performed for two nights in Cleveland. As I mentioned in another thread I was so excited for a perfect digital copy of my perfect soundboard bootleg. It was the version from 20/20 that I was hoping to have but they used the Angel recorded on the other show than the version we saw on tv. I didn't care for it on first listen because I was so let down that it wasn't what I had hoped for but now after two more listens I really like it a lot. But it still does not compare to my soundboard from the other night from Cleveland. So if the labeling is right, this version of Angel was recorded on May 20,1980 and the version I wanted(from 20/20) was recorded on May 21, 1980.

[bwboy]

I love Chris's humor during the US Festival when Lindsey introduces a Tusk song and Chris says "Its the album that all of you hated"

LOL
:)

Ouch! That was harsh, but she wasn’t lying! As a kid, my older brothers had both Rumours and Tusk on vinyl, and Tusk was probably played twice in our house. I love Tusk now, but back then it seemed like everyone thought it was such a turkey. Incredible how that perception has changed over the years.

[vivfox]

In my opinion this is the BEST Live vocal of Landslide Stevie has ever done and this should hopefully be released on some future live record by the band. Correct date for this show is: 8/29/77

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[David]

They performed for two nights in Cleveland. As I mentioned in another thread I was so excited for a perfect digital copy of my perfect soundboard bootleg. It was the version from 20/20 that I was hoping to have but they used the Angel recorded on the other show than the version we saw on tv. I didn't care for it on first listen because I was so let down that it wasn't what I had hoped for but now after two more listens I really like it a lot. But it still does not compare to my soundboard from the other night from Cleveland. So if the labeling is right, this version of Angel was recorded on May 20,1980 and the version I wanted(from 20/20) was recorded on May 21, 1980.Thank you for those extra details, vivfox. So can you share the 20/20 Angel from May 21? I don’t think I have a super-clear audience recording of that night in Cleveland. It’s been so long ago. The only super-clear recordings of the tour I had were the soundboards: Rehearsals, St. Louis, Yokohama, Melbourne, Sydney, Atlanta, and Mobile — and now the pieces from the deluxe sets.

[David]

In my opinion this is the BEST Live vocal of Landslide Stevie has ever done and this should hopefully be released on some future live record by the band.

This LA 1977 recording is a great performance. Also good were Las Vegas and Osaka, two of my first bootlegs.

My favorite renditions have always been from the mirage tour, especially Irvine Meadows, Oakland, LA, Denver, and Detroit.

I also have a strange affection for the 1990 Burbank Studio rehearsal from ROCK STEADY.

[Steviegirl]

In my opinion this is the BEST Live vocal of Landslide Stevie has ever done and this should hopefully be released on some future live record by the band.

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Good GRIEF, that is gorgeous! Thank you so much! I've never heard this one. Wow.

[vivfox]

Good GRIEF, that is gorgeous! Thank you so much! I've never heard this one. Wow.

I'm glad you love it as much as I do. This is the only Live FM song I am "forcing" my non FM fans (family& friends) to listen to. LOL

Correct date for this show is: 8/29/77

[StevieandChris]

The only thing I was completely wowed by was the live version of Brown Eyes, which is fantastic.

[jbrownsjr]

The only thing I was completely wowed by was the live version of Brown Eyes, which is fantastic.

That one blew me away, too.

[Villavic]

Since I heard about this reissue, I decide I wouldn't buy it. I have more than enough FM live songs. Probably I'll get one or two songs from iTunes (Hold Me for sure) but that's it.

[anusha]

I remember a recent interview where Stevie made a comment along the lines of “with Tusk, we were touring for an album some of us didn’t care for, singing songs we weren’t crazy about” or something to that effect. If she was referring to herself and Christine, then that would explain why Christine didn’t sing many songs from Tusk live for that tour. I think Stevie sang Sara, Sisters of the Moon, and Angel, and on subsequent tours she sang Storms and Beautiful Child.

I do wonder if they would have found some extra affection for all of those songs if Tusk had sold better. I love the vibe of Tango, but Family Man and Welcome to the Room Sara are not favorites of mine (and aren't as good as anything on Tusk, IMO) -- but it had 4 hit singles and sold a lot of copies, and we haven't heard a peep from anyone complaining about the non-hits. And you could make the same argument for the retro hate of SYW in some camps. Well one camp mostly.

[Macfan4life]

I do wonder if they would have found some extra affection for all of those songs if Tusk had sold better. I love the vibe of Tango, but Family Man and Welcome to the Room Sara are not favorites of mine (and aren't as good as anything on Tusk, IMO) -- but it had 4 hit singles and sold a lot of copies, and we haven't heard a peep from anyone complaining about the non-hits. And you could make the same argument for the retro hate of SYW in some camps. Well one camp mostly.
I dont think that is a fair comparison IMHO. The non-hits on Tango were still very safe and very commercial songs. Tusk had very few commercial songs. I also think they promoted the album with an incredible world tour and even a video (which was not that common in 1979). Fleetwood Mac never did much new material while promoting new albums but they did a fair share and they transformed them live extremely good (IMHO).

[HomerMcvie]

Since I heard about this reissue, I decide I wouldn't buy it. I have more than enough FM live songs. Probably I'll get one or two songs from iTunes (Hold Me for sure) but that's it.

Same. It's not worth $100. And they can shove the vinyl, or at least offer a non vinyl version.

I remember Mirage was going for $86 ish, and I finally found it for $43, after a couple months of waiting and searching. I won't pay a penny more than that for Live.

This is just like $500 concert tickets. Only for "exclusive" fans. You'd think they'd price this at $40, and sell three times as much. Sounds like a Mick scam, although he's not smart enough to pull this off.

I wish they'd offer the extra live disc for sale only. I'd buy that in a second.

[vivfox]

It's not worth $100. And they can shove the vinyl. You'd think they'd price this at $40, and sell three times as much. Sounds like a Mick scam, although he's not smart enough to pull this off.

Hahahahahhaaahahhaaaa!!! :woohoo::xoxo:

[Macfan4life]

Same. It's not worth $100. And they can shove the vinyl, or at least offer a non vinyl version.

I remember Mirage was going for $86 ish, and I finally found it for $43, after a couple months of waiting and searching. I won't pay a penny more than that for Live.

This is just like $500 concert tickets. Only for "exclusive" fans. You'd think they'd price this at $40, and sell three times as much. Sounds like a Mick scam, although he's not smart enough to pull this off.

I wish they'd offer the extra live disc for sale only. I'd buy that in a second.
Shame on you! How is Mick supposed to afford his lifestyle and not declare bankruptcy again if you don't buy this.

[Villavic]

I remember a recent interview where Stevie made a comment along the lines of “with Tusk, we were touring for an album some of us didn’t care for, singing songs we weren’t crazy about” or something to that effect.

Mick doesn't mention that in his first book, but he did tell about the tour rehearsals:

Stevie later tells me that there are nights she doesn't want to come and rehearse. I know how she feels. We all know that Fleetwood Mac is a job, a lovely sort of job, but hard work all the same. There's a frayed edge to tonight's rehearsal. We all sound a bit tired, and the tour hasn't even begun. Yet other nights we sound sharp and stirring, even to ourselves. We know that somehow this long year on the road will be one of the linchpins of our career together.
We didn't know at the time that it would almost kill the band.

[HomerMcvie]

Shame on you! How is Mick supposed to afford his lifestyle and not declare bankruptcy again if you don't buy this.

Mick deserves to spend his remaining days living in a trailer, buying his groceries with food stamps! :p

(There's nothing wrong with anyone living like that, but his horrible lifetime of decision making should come with a price to pay)

[Villavic]

More info about the tour, afterwards. Interesting about how he refers about the Tusk album. And contradictory to say They didn't understand how to run a rock band, when in previous pages he admits that Fleetwood Mac is a JOB. By that time there were differente members managers. John, Chris, and Mick were still with Mickey Shapiro, Stevie had signed Irving Azoff, and Lindsey got another one.

The basic complaint, of course, was that we'd been on the road for months and hadn't made much money.

I explained that we'd undertaken this tour in order to sell a difficult record, which by that time was up to five million in sales. Yes, we'd grossed some big numbers, but our overhead was murderous. We spent a fortune on the road, running a fat ship. We decided to be comfortable, and we lost control. If Stevie wanted a hotel suite painted pink with a white piano in it, what are you gonna do? Say no? You can't do that in a Holiday Inn! Pink rooms and pianos cost real money. These were my decisions, because they had to be. There was no management company as a buffer between me and the band. To complain about anything, as musicians love to do, they had to address a band member me. People were honest with their feelings under this system, but they didn't like complaining about money. Even so, early in the tour I tried to change to cheaper hotels. All the others complained and I said the hell with it. From then on we went first-notch. We had everything.

Irving Azoff: "You should've made more money. Why isn't there more money after a year on the road?"

The accountant, meanwhile, was looking over the books and frowning. Impressive amounts of cash were missing, having been spent on various extravagances. The countants and lawyers were not used to this. They didn't understand how to run a rock band. They said to me, "How can you consider yourself a manager when you let this kind of thing happen?" But had they ever tried to say no to friends who also happened to be members of the world's biggest band? But that didn't matter.

John Courage was fired by the band's lawyers right after this meeting.

My turn came a bit later. It was a very shifty scenario. The lawyers didn't say we had done anything wrong, but it was bordering on that. There was an unspoken implication that money was missing. We felt unjustly accused by ignorant laymen. It was most unpleasant. John Courage had been working for Fleetwood Mac for almost ten years, and is one of the most honest people I've ever known. And my end had consisted of taking 10 percent of the band's net, not the gross like most managers. I got paid after expenses and had no publishing, and got to work my brains out.

Granted, some kind of split was inevitable, but it was real ugly the way it was done. It was a big meeting. Everybody was there, and all the recriminations of the past eghteen months were played out. We had been pilloried for making the most expensive record in history. Tusk had only gone to number three, where Rumours had been number one. We made no money on tour. Some money was unaccounted for. It was like an Indian Council, everyone seated in a circle, five musicians and the lawyers with their wretched files in their laps.
Irving Azoff made it plain that he was there to clean up the mess and take care of business. "I represent Stevie, and she ain't doing nothing unless . . ."

His basic message was this: "Hey, Mick, it's over. From this point forward, we ain't paying no management commission, no office overhead, legal fees, accounting fees, nothing. We're out for now, goodbye."

Stevie had given Azoff the power to leverage a position in the band, and Azoff had just taken us over. Running through my mind was our ongoing friendly rivalry with the Eagles, the other California glamour band of the 1970s. Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles were like Coke and Pepsi, Hertz and Avis: same age, same look, same demographic. Who is this guy? The Eagles' manager! Does he want to kill Fleetwood Mac? But he wasn't trying to wreck anything. He was one smart tucking guy, that's all. None of the other members of the band said anything.

The end result was that I was off the throne. It was the democratisation of Fleetwood Mac. Ever since, we've had review by committee managers, lawyers, business managers. The Gang of Four.
I was very hurt by all this. I walked outside into my garden and just sat for a long time. Chris, John, Stevie, and Lindsey tried to make it clear that they weren't mad at me, that they considered me to have acted like an over-indulgent father. But I felt humiliated and flogged in front of my community. It was horrible. If that's what they want to do, I thought, Duck it. At that point there wasn't going to be much to manage anyway, since we were all about to devolve into solo projects for a few years.

I just think it was a huge mistake to give the tour management responsibility to an addict. That couldn't work well. Plus, I've never read that he had taken business mgt courses

[BombaySapphire3]

Shame on you! How is Mick supposed to afford his lifestyle and not declare bankruptcy again if you don't buy this.

With that way that this cretin spends and squanders whatever little income a deluxe issue of a flop album would not last him more than a couple of weeks.

[jbrownsjr]

Villavic, which book was this? The old one or new one?

[Villavic]

Villavic, which book was this? The old one or new one?

The old one.

[jbrownsjr]

The old one.

Thanks for always posting those snippets. I read the book so long ago, I need the review. :thumbsup:

[button-lip]

Mick deserves to spend his remaining days living in a trailer, buying his groceries with food stamps! :p

(There's nothing wrong with anyone living like that, but his horrible lifetime of decision making should come with a price to pay)

So, back to the trailer, eh? And again in Lindsey's backyard? I don't think so....

But who knows... ? :shrug: :D

[HomerMcvie]

So, back to the trailer, eh? And again in Lindsey's backyard? I don't think so....

But who knows... ? :shrug: :D

Perhaps I was aiming too highly...a cardboard box in an alley on Skid Row? :p

Because that's all he deserves.

[Macfan4life]

Perhaps I was aiming too highly...a cardboard box in an alley on Skid Row? :p

Because that's all he deserves.
Part of his bankruptcy the first time was him buying a bunch of property in Australia in the late 1970s as "investments." It was not much of an investment and cost him money to upkeep and taxes. He eventually sold the property when things got tough in the early 80s.

I wonder how much those properties would be worth today. I am sure Australia has grown since the late 70s and these properties would be worth a fortune.

[Macfan4life]

Gold Dust Woman is flawless musically and vocally. Is it just me or Lindsey played this song with more guitar riff back then.
BUT
It annoys me Stevie mixing up the verses and she flubs the second line which is one of the best ever: Heartless challenge....pick your path and I'll pray.

I love that line because everything in life is about picking paths. I just cant make up my mind about this. Its just too perfect so there must be a scratch or imperfection to make it real. Or missing this key line ruins a flawless masterpiece.

****sigh*****
****staring at the stairs****


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxQ9Z89IBrw

[David]

Gold Dust Woman is flawless musically and vocally. Is it just me or Lindsey played this song with more guitar riff back then. You mean the wah pedal? Sometimes I hear more wah and sometimes less. Maybe it has something to do with hearing more prominent wah in the levels when the band was playing indoors. I think some 1977 shows were actually outdoors in university stadiums.

It annoys me Stevie mixing up the verses and she flubs the second line which is one of the best ever: Heartless challenge....pick your path and I'll pray. She also flubs a line in “Angel” on the new package. The first time I played it, I wondered why the heck they grabbed a show with a botched lyric. But the second time I played it, I actually got a big kick out of it because it immediately took me back to all those Mac shows I remember where Stevie botched a line. I remembered that it was standard operating procedure for Stevie in my big concertgoing years and when it happened it seemed to drive her forward with a compensating energy, as it does here. Now I’m glad I have a flubbed line on the new album and I want to hug Bill Inglot (even though I want to kick him in the shins for screwing up eight or nine dates on the liner notes and wasting an entire full-page spread in the booklet with a photo of the audience).

I love that line because everything in life is about picking paths. I just cant make up my mind about this. Its just too perfect so there must be a scratch or imperfection to make it real. Or missing this key line ruins a flawless masterpiece.I am happy with this GDW and the one on the Rumours Deluxe, wherever that comes from. The one from Nashville is pretty atrocious but the Paris rendition is witchy and stately and very precise. That said, my favorite has probably always been from Osaka at the end of the tour — band was on fire that night with incendiary Second Hand News and Go Your Own Way and Oh Daddy, and Stevie delivered the goods on Rhiannon, Landslide, Gold Dust Woman, and her backing vocals. If Warner Records decided to release a full Osaka concert, December 4 1977, I wouldn’t complain to anyone.

[michelej1]

Stevie herself admits that she was zonked out for many shows. She says it’s not fun to listen to them and hear herself, while under the influence. Same thing for the Tango recording process. She would not describe herself the way BJ does.

[Macfan4life]

You mean the wah pedal? Sometimes I hear more wah and sometimes less. Maybe it has something to do with hearing more prominent wah in the levels when the band was playing indoors. I think some 1977 shows were actually outdoors in university stadiums.

She also flubs a line in “Angel” on the new package. The first time I played it, I wondered why the heck they grabbed a show with a botched lyric. But the second time I played it, I actually got a big kick out of it because it immediately took me back to all those Mac shows I remember where Stevie botched a line. I remembered that it was standard operating procedure for Stevie in my big concertgoing years and when it happened it seemed to drive her forward with a compensating energy, as it does here. Now I’m glad I have a flubbed line on the new album and I want to hug Bill Inglot (even though I want to kick him in the shins for screwing up eight or nine dates on the liner notes and wasting an entire full-page spread in the booklet with a photo of the audience).

I am happy with this GDW and the one on the Rumours Deluxe, wherever that comes from. The one from Nashville is pretty atrocious but the Paris rendition is witchy and stately and very precise. That said, my favorite has probably always been from Osaka at the end of the tour — band was on fire that night with incendiary Second Hand News and Go Your Own Way and Oh Daddy, and Stevie delivered the goods on Rhiannon, Landslide, Gold Dust Woman, and her backing vocals. If Warner Records decided to release a full Osaka concert, December 4 1977, I wouldn’t complain to anyone.
I actually like when Stevie flubs lyrics. Its so "Bob Dylan" of her :lol:

My annoyance is when she gets the verses messed up which is what she did on this GDW.

For example, when I first saw Stevie live, it she would change words all the time in Edge of 17 "I hear you in the morning and I hear you at sunrise" Sunrise? Isn't sunrise also morning? :lol: She changed nightfall for sunrise

My annoyance comes from mixing up verses. Stevie does this almost every live performance of Rooms on Fire and sometimes with Dreams. What a treat to hear Sleeping Angel live in 1998 but how she could not remember the opening line "Take me if you need me but never hold me down" She would just say "Take me sleeping angel"

Changing words is improvising which can be cool in a live set. But mixing up verses drives me nuts. Her most extreme example of this was during a zonked out klonopin 1991 version of Outside the Rain where she just kept singing the third verse over and over :eek:

[BombaySapphire3]

For example, when I first saw Stevie live, it she would change words all the time in Edge of 17 "I hear you in the morning and I hear you at sunrise" Sunrise? Isn't sunrise also morning? :lol: She changed nightfall for sunrise



Do you always trust your first initial feeling?

[jbrownsjr]

Do you always trust your first initial feeling?

Will you love me, only?

[HomerMcvie]

Will you love me, only?

Which guy did $he say that to? Or did $he say that to all of them?:woohoo:

[jwd]

I bought the live "Brown Eyes" on iTunes. Pretty fantastic track if you ask me. Guitars, keys, and a strong Chris voice. Not sure if I'm going to splurge on the whole package. Maybe when it gets drastically reduced in price. Not a vinyl aficionado.

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe when it gets drastically reduced in price. Not a vinyl aficionado.

Same. They're really idiots for only making a $100 package, and for forcing vinyl on us. It sure reeks of a Mick scam...

Da googles says that 27% of buyers buy vinyl, and another article says that 48% of people who buy vinyl don't even listen to it!

[Villavic]

48% of people who buy vinyl don't even listen to it!

I've been there. I used the album cover of the Rumours package to decorate my wall. :laugh:

After that I only bought digital deluxe editions.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/NRNArt/Fleetwood-Mac--Rumours-Deluxe-Edition-product-photo.jpg

[jbrownsjr]

I had the Rumours Deluxe. Someone bought me a turntable. It sounded horrible compared to my Alexa Echo Studios, or my Home Pods.

The nostalgia of vinyl is nice, but the technology now with digital music has improved well past CD's from the 90's. :shrug:

[David]

I had the Rumours Deluxe. Someone bought me a turntable.
I only bought the three-CD version, without the Rosebud DVD. Now I’d like to replace it with this complete package (although I have no turntable). Where can I find one new on sale?

[jbrownsjr]

I only bought the three-CD version, without the Rosebud DVD. Now I’d like to replace it with this complete package (although I have no turntable). Where can I find one new on sale?

I could always mail you mine, you could copy it if you would like.