Fleetwood mac skateboarder says stevie nicks crushed my 'dreams' ...

[Jondalar]

FLEETWOOD MAC SKATEBOARDER
STEVIE NICKS CRUSHED MY 'DREAMS' ...
Blocked Song from NFT!!!

Nathan Apodaca has some dreams he'd like to sell, but Stevie Nicks just won't let it happen ... so says the skateboarder who went viral for vibing to her hit song.

A rep for Nathan, AKA Doggface, tells TMZ ... Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams" is part of the Warner Music Group catalog, so they reached out to see if they could include the track on the famous 23-second TikTok clip of Nathan skateboarding to it while sipping on cranberry juice ... which he wants to sell as a non-fungible token (NFT).

We're told Doggface's team offered Stevie -- who wrote the song -- 50 percent from the sale ... but she shot it down.

Nathan's rep says he feels slighted because Stevie never acknowledged him after his "Dreams" video went viral -- unlike some other members of Fleetwood Mac did -- even though it helped give her song a major boost.

We're told, Doggface thinks her rejection of his NFT offer shows she wants nothing to do with him or his video.

We broke the story ... Nathan's still going ahead with selling the NFT of his original video, but it will be without the music since they couldn't secure the rights.

The NFT will now go up for sale March 27 with opening bids set at a whopping $500,000, so Stevie might regret her decision ... IF someone buys it for that much.

We reached out to Stevie's team ... no word back.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/19/stevie-nicks-blocked-dreams-doggface-viral-skateboarder-nft/

[rubylounge]

It is interesting that Stevie posted his video on her social media but never told Doggface directly that she appreciates what he did for her song...kinda rude. :shrug:

[UnwindedDreams]

^That's her white privilege. She even did her own TikTok... like she would've done a TikTok with a bottle of Ocean Spray if Nathan had never done it:rolleyes:

[Jondalar]

^That's her white privilege. She even did her own TikTok... like she would've done a TikTok with a bottle of Ocean Spray if Nathan had never done it:rolleyes:

White privilege doesn't exist unless you've joined a Jim Jones cult. Stevie is an entitled brat.

[vivfox]

According to Google:
Non-fungible token
A non-fungible token is a unit of data on a digital ledger called a blockchain, where each NFT can represent a unique digital item, and thus they are not interchangeable. NFTs can represent digital files such as art, audio, video, and other forms of creative work.

Even after this explanation I still don't understand what Nathan was planning on selling, using Dreams. But it does make sense to me that Stevie would only want that song available on Fleetwood Mac reissues and not any type of Hits packages featuring multiple artists.

[BombaySapphire3]

White privilege doesn't exist unless you've joined a Jim Jones cult. Stevie is an entitled brat.

Speaking of cults that one surrounding an orange hued con man is pretty twisted too.

[michelej1]

According to Google:
Non-fungible token
A non-fungible token is a unit of data on a digital ledger called a blockchain, where each NFT can represent a unique digital item, and thus they are not interchangeable. NFTs can represent digital files such as art, audio, video, and other forms of creative work.

Even after this explanation I still don't understand what Nathan was planning on selling, using Dreams. But it does make sense to me that Stevie would only want that song available on Fleetwood Mac reissues and not any type of Hits packages featuring multiple artists.

I agree with you in not understanding. I don’t know if the TickTock platform has its own valuation system. Maybe you can pay for things there using NFT Which can then be converted to money, like bitcoins can be. I don’t understand. Technology has passed me by. I am no longer in the generation who explains things to people. I find some young person and have them explain it to ME. Yeah, my mom still calls and asks me how to access things on her computer. but she’s 83. She is the only one I can help.

Yes, I do not blame Stevie’s people for ignoring this guy. He has helped both her and Fleetwood Mac. But he has already benefited and he is not an artist or creator who deserves to continue profiting from her song, imho.

[Macfan4life]

This guy is dreaming if he thinks someone is going to buy his video of him poorly lip syncing a song that is not even included in the video for $500,000.

This guy has already profited greatly off this song. Instead of finding new ways to be creative and make money, he continues to try and milk this Dreams video. It shows his 15 minutes of fame is drying up and no new offers are coming his way.

Stevie may not have called him but isn't her video a sort of tribute to what he did? I am with Michelle that I dont understand TickTock and NFT. But I also agree he has already benefited and does not deserve to keep profiting from her song. We may never know how much he has profited. But he deserves a T shirt that says "I got countless endorsement offers, someone bought me a $35,000 SUV, and I got famous yet Stevie Nicks is crushing my dreams for even more money."
Sorry, I don't see him as a victim of Stevie Nicks the way the OP does. Victimhood is sold every 15 seconds today.

The biggest irk for me is running to TMZ to shame Stevie. Dude....please list the amount of money and assets you have gotten because of this clip. I remember when this broke a few months ago and people wanted Stevie to give him sale royalties of Dreams. Could you imagine the precedent that would create? You had fun. You made money. You got famous. No one owes you anything Sir.

[goyourownway]

^That's her white privilege. She even did her own TikTok... like she would've done a TikTok with a bottle of Ocean Spray if Nathan had never done it:rolleyes:

Help me understand how this is white privilege? Unlike Jondolar or whatever their name is, I know this is a thing. But I am unsure how it applies in this instance.

[UnwindedDreams]

Help me understand how this is white privilege? Unlike Jondolar or whatever their name is, I know this is a thing. But I am unsure how it applies in this instance.

It's real and a problem, not merely "a thing".

I'll help you.
Nathan is BIPOC. Stevie is a multimillionaire. With the release of Show Them the Way, she has said we must be kind to one another.
She praised the TikTok sensation. Made her own video which was all about her. She could've said in the video "Hi Nathan, thank you for sharing my song" like she thanked American Horror Story for 120 nights from 2014-2015.

Nathan was responsible for Dreams and Rumours topping the charts again. Nathan is working a very hard job and is "an everyday folk". He offered Stevie 50% of the NFT, he didn't ask for a giveaway.

What's the loss to Stevie here? She, a white millionaire who watches movies on a theater screen in her lavish Santa Monica condo and takes a private jet to Maui during a pandemic, could have permitted this deal with Nathan and supported a BIPOC so that he could buy his parents a house and build a community center in his town!

Thus, she's reneges on her message of Show Them the Way.

[bombaysaffires]

I don't disagree at all about white privilege, but it doesn't apply here.

Stevie, brat or not, (and I find her to get brattier with every passing year) created the song. He used it without her permission, and got his 15 minutes of fame and a certain amount of financial gain from it.

He now wants to continue owning a piece of *her* work. He proposed selling the combined video (his video, her audio). She turned him down. This is well within her rights, whether she has a million dollars in the bank, a billion or 100. She wrote it, she owns it, and she doesn't want to partner with him. He needs to move on. She doesn't OWE him anything. He has already profited to some extent from using her work, and she let him (I don't know if she could have stopped him or if his video comes under fair use/fair dealings). Stevie happens to be white, but this same scenario could play out with any artist of color as well (say, Rihanna or CardiB or whomever) who could turn down someone using their song. It's about artists retaining control over their work.

He wants more fame, go write your own song.

[HomerMcvie]

I don't disagree at all about white privilege, but it doesn't apply here.

Stevie, brat or not, (and I find her to get brattier with every passing year) created the song. He used it without her permission, and got his 15 minutes of fame and a certain amount of financial gain from it.

He now wants to continue owning a piece of *her* work. He proposed selling the combined video (his video, her audio). She turned him down. This is well within her rights, whether she has a million dollars in the bank, a billion or 100. She wrote it, she owns it, and she doesn't want to partner with him. He needs to move on. She doesn't OWE him anything. He has already profited to some extent from using her work, and she let him (I don't know if she could have stopped him or if his video comes under fair use/fair dealings). Stevie happens to be white, but this same scenario could play out with any artist of color as well (say, Rihanna or CardiB or whomever) who could turn down someone using their song. It's about artists retaining control over their work.

He wants more fame, go write your own song.

Spot on.

She doesn't owe him anything. He profited from her enough, and he should be happy for that. Instead, he wants more(somebody should check, he may be related to Mick).

Write your own damned song, and quit milking other people's good fortune.

[UnwindedDreams]

He used it without her permission, and got his 15 minutes of fame and a certain amount of financial gain from it.

How does Nathan or how do I acquire Stevie's permission to play "Dreams" in a TikTok video or a YouTube video?

When I have a 40th birthday party at Bob Evans, and I dance with my boyfriend to "Just Dance" there and post it on Youtube... do I need to obtain permission from Lady Gaga before I post?

[michelej1]

Tiktok has already legally acquired a library of music. You can use a song in that library on the tiktok platform without having to pay or get permission. Tiktok already has their permission. If you created a song about candy, search the library and find a song with the word candy that suits you.

It’s like healthcare, you can’t go out of your plan without incurring charges, but you can use healthcare providers in the plan.

[bombaysaffires]

How does Nathan or how do I acquire Stevie's permission to play "Dreams" in a TikTok video or a YouTube video?

When I have a 40th birthday party at Bob Evans, and I dance with my boyfriend to "Just Dance" there and post it on Youtube... do I need to obtain permission from Lady Gaga before I post?

you are not SELLING it and asking people to PAY for it on youtube.

If you created a video that you were wanting to put up for sale of you doing anything to Gaga's song, you bet your butt you'd have to get permission. She owns the copyright.

It's the same when a tv show or movie wants to use a song in a movie/show they create and then sell to a network or charge admission to see. You can't profit off of someone else's intellectual property just because you think they've made enough from it already.

[UnwindedDreams]

you are not SELLING it and asking people to PAY for it on youtube.

If you created a video that you were wanting to put up for sale of you doing anything to Gaga's song, you bet your butt you'd have to get permission. She owns the copyright.

It's the same when a tv show or movie wants to use a song in a movie/show they create and then sell to a network or charge admission to see. You can't profit off of someone else's intellectual property just because you think they've made enough from it already.
When you said he used Dreams without her permission, was that for the TikTok video or for this NFT offering?

Because I thought TikTok videos were free for the public to see. I saw his skateboard video on Twitter not TikTok.
Did he sell the famous video of him on TikTok back in Fall 2020?

[bombaysaffires]

When you said he used Dreams without her permission, was that for the TikTok video or for this NFT offering?

Because I thought TikTok videos were free for the public to see. I saw his skateboard video on Twitter not TikTok.
Did he sell the famous video of him on TikTok back in Fall 2020?

He is putting the video of himself skateboarding (that appeared on TikTok) up for sale, so someone else can own a copy of it (or possibly it's the original he's selling and thus whoever buys it also the owns the rights to it? I am not at all clear how an NFT works on that). And he wants the music included in it. You pay him and he splits the money with Stevie in exchange for her allowing the actual music track to be included. She said no thanks. So he can sell the bit he owns, which is the video, without the bit she owns, which is the audio.

[Jondalar]

He is putting the video of himself skateboarding (that appeared on TikTok) up for sale, so someone else can own a copy of it (or possibly it's the original he's selling and thus whoever buys it also the owns the rights to it? I am not at all clear how an NFT works on that). And he wants the music included in it. You pay him and he splits the money with Stevie in exchange for her allowing the actual music track to be included. She said no thanks. So he can sell the bit he owns, which is the video, without the bit she owns, which is the audio.

Wait a second here... Didn't Stevie just sell her catalo?. Maybe it's them saying no thanks. Aren't they the ones managing the rights to the song now?

[Jondalar]

by the way, Ocean Spray had their logo crossed off of his video, but they aren't getting flack for it.

[michelej1]

Wait a second here... Didn't Stevie just sell her catalo?. Maybe it's them saying no thanks. Aren't they the ones managing the rights to the song now?

There’s a distinction between the Fleetwood Mac recording and Stevie’s songwriter rights. The performance of Dreams by Fleetwood Mac was not Stevie’s to sell.

[vivfox]

Wait a second here... Didn't Stevie just sell her catalo?. Maybe it's them saying no thanks. Aren't they the ones managing the rights to the song now?


She still retains a 20% stake in her copyrights. For all we know her deal could have included the legal rights to approve where her songs will get used.

[UnwindedDreams]

by the way, Ocean Spray had their logo crossed off of his video, but they aren't getting flack for it.

I didn't see Nathan said Ocean Spray refused. I think they should permit him to sell the video with their logo on the product.

[bombaysaffires]

I didn't see Nathan said Ocean Spray refused. I think they should permit him to sell the video with their logo on the product.

you could invite him over and let him pick through your things and take whatever he likes....:shrug:

[bombaysaffires]

She still retains a 20% stake in her copyrights. For all we know her deal could have included the legal rights to approve where her songs will get used.

Landslide has been used in AirBnB ads in the UK the last month or so.... though it's a cover, not the FM version.

you can watch it here: https://www.tvadvertmusic.com/airbnb-commercial-landslide-singer-song/

You can track use of FM songs here: https://www.tunefind.com/artist/fleetwood-mac

[UnwindedDreams]

you could invite him over and let him pick through your things and take whatever he likes....:shrug:

I'm a Dem, baby. Sorry it's bothering you!

[bombaysaffires]

I'm a Dem, baby. Sorry it's bothering you!

So am I, baby, but I'm still not into handing over what people worked hard to create just because someone think they're "entitled" to it... Like I said, if you want to give your own stuff away, more power to you.

[paleshadow]

FLEETWOOD MAC SKATEBOARDER
STEVIE NICKS CRUSHED MY 'DREAMS' ...
Blocked Song from NFT!!!

Nathan Apodaca has some dreams he'd like to sell, but Stevie Nicks just won't let it happen ... so says the skateboarder who went viral for vibing to her hit song.

A rep for Nathan, AKA Doggface, tells TMZ ... Fleetwood Mac's "Dreams" is part of the Warner Music Group catalog, so they reached out to see if they could include the track on the famous 23-second TikTok clip of Nathan skateboarding to it while sipping on cranberry juice ... which he wants to sell as a non-fungible token (NFT).

We're told Doggface's team offered Stevie -- who wrote the song -- 50 percent from the sale ... but she shot it down.

Nathan's rep says he feels slighted because Stevie never acknowledged him after his "Dreams" video went viral -- unlike some other members of Fleetwood Mac did -- even though it helped give her song a major boost.

We're told, Doggface thinks her rejection of his NFT offer shows she wants nothing to do with him or his video.

We broke the story ... Nathan's still going ahead with selling the NFT of his original video, but it will be without the music since they couldn't secure the rights.

The NFT will now go up for sale March 27 with opening bids set at a whopping $500,000, so Stevie might regret her decision ... IF someone buys it for that much.

We reached out to Stevie's team ... no word back.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/19/stevie-nicks-blocked-dreams-doggface-viral-skateboarder-nft/


I think he's doing fine. Some artists may have sued him for unauthorized use of the song in the first place. It's also worth noting that Ocean Spray will not allow him to use their logo in the proposed sale either. If I thought I could have cleaned up like that just from recording myself singing someone's song I would have done it a long time ago. I can't skateboard, but I'm sure I could have roller-skated or ridden my bike.

https://www.complex.com/life/2020/10/dreams-tiktok-star-merch-made-30-thousand-dollars-profit-5-days

[UnwindedDreams]

So am I, baby, but I'm still not into handing over what people worked hard to create just because someone think they're "entitled" to it... Like I said, if you want to give your own stuff away, more power to you.

Sounds like you might not support reparations.

"Enititled" is the word republicans use. She's not required to but if she buys what she's selling, but she could help a person of color and also profit from this NFT sale.

[David]

I think the TikTok guy ought to take his bizarro request and file it. To put it in business terms, he’s saturating the market. The skateboard video was a nice little cultural moment last year, and the new attention for a great song was lovely. But it’s over — on to the next thing.

[FuzzyPlum]

I think the TikTok guy ought to take his bizarro request and file it. To put it in business terms, he’s saturating the market. The skateboard video was a nice little cultural moment last year, and the new attention for a great song was lovely. But it’s over — on to the next thing.

Yes, he's second hand news

[Jondalar]

Sounds like you might not support reparations.

"Enititled" is the word republicans use. She's not required to but if she buys what she's selling, but she could help a person of color and also profit from this NFT sale.

Who would?

[paleshadow]

Sounds like you might not support reparations.

"Enititled" is the word republicans use. She's not required to but if she buys what she's selling, but she could help a person of color and also profit from this NFT sale.

Well, she already helped him pay cash for a $300+ k house. I think he should have slowed his roll and invested some of his profits because it seems like he is going to need to find another hustle just to pay for his new lifestyle.

https://1033wvyb.com/2020/11/16/the-dreams-skateboarding-guy-just-bought-a-house-with-cash/#:~:text=Nathan%20Apodaca%2C%20the%20viral%20Fleetwood,his%20hometown%20of%20Idaho%20Falls.

[johnnystorms]

Sounds like you might not support reparations.

"Enititled" is the word republicans use. She's not required to but if she buys what she's selling, but she could help a person of color and also profit from this NFT sale.

WTF do 'reparations' have to do with this discussion?
I don't blame her for not handing over half of the song to his pet project. She should quote Tom to him.... 'Write your own song'

[Macfan4life]

WTF do 'reparations' have to do with this discussion?
I don't blame her for not handing over half of the song to his pet project. She should quote Tom to him.... 'Write your own song'
A-men!!
Its greedy and tacky. But running to TMZ claiming to be a victim of Stevie Nicks is beyond reality. He wants to "share" Stevie's song with her. Only $250,000!!!

I don't understand why we cant have nice things. People always find a way to ruin a good thing.

[Jondalar]

WTF do 'reparations' have to do with this discussion?
I don't blame her for not handing over half of the song to his pet project. She should quote Tom to him.... 'Write your own song'

Exactly. But haven’t you seen her new video - she is a flaming liberal now! She has jumped on board that bandwagon because it’s the in thing to do. She should give away all her money and flog herself 10x a day to ease her white guilt. It would be good PR.

[bombaysaffires]

which video are we referring to her? Her last song video about the Kennedys???

[BombaySapphire3]

which video are we referring to her? Her last song video about the Kennedys???

Certain supporters of the former occupant of the White House don't like things that call for racial equality for all . They find it threatening. I liked the video but the song itself is unlistenable.

[michelej1]

Jondalar and Unwinded Dreams, unless we’re discussing something like Soldier’s Angel, I think it’s more than possible to discuss Stevie and Fleetwood Mac without making political statements and dragging in entirely unrelated issues to provoke debate. Please stop it.

[UnwindedDreams]

Jondalar and Unwinded Dreams, unless we’re discussing something like Soldier’s Angel, I think it’s more than possible to discuss Stevie and Fleetwood Mac without making political statements and dragging in entirely unrelated issues to provoke debate. Please stop it.
Administrator, I must respond. I shared the TMZ article with my Hispanic friends and they shared the sentiments of Nathan. He brought the TikTok excitement which brough Rumours and Dreams to the top again. They felt that a person of color was being cheated for bringing an old white woman money. If you feel that's political, I'm sorry. I thought it's real world perspective.

I don't think Soldier's Angel is a political song. It's really about supporting the military. Show Them the Way is more political.

[Jondalar]

Certain supporters of the former occupant of the White House don't like things that call for racial equality for all . They find it threatening. I liked the video but the song itself is unlistenable.

She asked for us to stop posting stuff like and you did anyway.

[BombaySapphire3]

She asked for us to stop posting stuff like and you did anyway.

My post was before hers..typical.

[Macfan4life]

Administrator, I must respond. I shared the TMZ article with my Hispanic friends and they shared the sentiments of Nathan. He brought the TikTok excitement which brough Rumours and Dreams to the top again. They felt that a person of color was being cheated for bringing an old white woman money. If you feel that's political, I'm sorry. I thought it's real world perspective.

I don't think Soldier's Angel is a political song. It's really about supporting the military. Show Them the Way is more political.
You do agree that Nathan enriched himself handsomely over his video? On this instance, I don't think his race has anything to do with this conversation. His video did bring Stevie a few extra dollars. But it also got him significantly richer and famous. He is not a victim. He was creative and used someone else's song. For that, he hit the lottery. As ridiculous as it is for him to ask Stevie to split proceeds of her own song, it would be equally ridiculous for Stevie to ask him to pay her from his riches he made off her song.

[mylittledemon]

We're told Doggface's team offered Stevie -- who wrote the song -- 50 percent from the sale ... but she shot it down.


He is not a victim. He was creative and used someone else's song. For that, he hit the lottery. As ridiculous as it is for him to ask Stevie to split proceeds of her own song, it would be equally ridiculous for Stevie to ask him to pay her from his riches he made off her song.

Maybe if "Doggface" had olive-branched a 60/40 deal, Stevie's camp might have taken more kindly to it?

[UnwindedDreams]

You do agree that Nathan enriched himself handsomely over his video? On this instance, I don't think his race has anything to do with this conversation. His video did bring Stevie a few extra dollars. But it also got him significantly richer and famous. He is not a victim. He was creative and used someone else's song. For that, he hit the lottery. As ridiculous as it is for him to ask Stevie to split proceeds of her own song, it would be equally ridiculous for Stevie to ask him to pay her from his riches he made off her song.

I'm not going to reply just out of the Executive's wishes. But I'm happy to talk with you via P.M. But I do want to thank you for being really respectful in your response to me. You deserve much praise and only success in your life. Thank you so much Macfan4life!

[HomerMcvie]

I'm not going to reply just out of the Executive's wishes. But I'm happy to talk with you via P.M. But I do want to thank you for being really respectful in your response to me. You deserve much praise and only success in your life. Thank you so much Macfan4life!

Macfan4life is the BEST.

[FM77]

Screw that guy.

[goyourownway]

It's real and a problem, not merely "a thing".

I'll help you.
Nathan is BIPOC. Stevie is a multimillionaire. With the release of Show Them the Way, she has said we must be kind to one another.
She praised the TikTok sensation. Made her own video which was all about her. She could've said in the video "Hi Nathan, thank you for sharing my song" like she thanked American Horror Story for 120 nights from 2014-2015.

Nathan was responsible for Dreams and Rumours topping the charts again. Nathan is working a very hard job and is "an everyday folk". He offered Stevie 50% of the NFT, he didn't ask for a giveaway.

What's the loss to Stevie here? She, a white millionaire who watches movies on a theater screen in her lavish Santa Monica condo and takes a private jet to Maui during a pandemic, could have permitted this deal with Nathan and supported a BIPOC so that he could buy his parents a house and build a community center in his town!

Thus, she's reneges on her message of Show Them the Way.

Wow. All those years doing DEI work in a public health setting, and all I needed to do was log on to some tired message board to be schooled properly. Thanks for showing me the way.

[vivfox]

I agree with you in not understanding. I don’t know if the TickTock platform has its own valuation system. Maybe you can pay for things there using NFT Which can then be converted to money, like bitcoins can be. I don’t understand. Technology has passed me by. I am no longer in the generation who explains things to people. I find some young person and have them explain it to ME. Yeah, my mom still calls and asks me how to access things on her computer. but she’s 83. She is the only one I can help.

Yes, I do not blame Stevie’s people for ignoring this guy. He has helped both her and Fleetwood Mac. But he has already benefited and he is not an artist or creator who deserves to continue profiting from her song, imho.

Well hopefully you'll be pleased to know I have a new subscription to Billboard Magazine. My first issue was the March 13th one with the Biebs on the cover. Ironically there is a whole article on NFT's and it turns out they don't quite understand it either. So it's not just us who are baffled. The article also states that because NFT's are so new, the entire music industry hasn't even mapped out what financial percentages should be divided up amongst artists,
producers, managers, publishers and the like. Though after reading the article I figure that Nathan feels he has a valuable and unique video that should be worth a lot of money to someone, somewhere and his NFT allows him to sell it to the highest bidder. I suppose there is some value considering his tik tok Dreams video did put the single Dreams and the album Rumours back onto the charts as well as helping Ocean Spray sales shoot through the roof. And yes, without him actually being able to use the song, it would be useless for him to try and sell the NFT now because the song and his video go hand in hand in the eyes in the eyes in the eyes of the world.
I love reading Billboard and I love learning about the music business. Maybe if I'm lucky Michele, they'll post a recap of Christine selling her music publishing in 1988 for one hundred and fifty million dollars. Interesting how Stevie only got 100 million for hers.
Another cool thing I learned in this issue is the record industry is keeping track of how many Shazams each artist gets. For a new artist named Jimmie Allen(I have never heard of him), he got two million total Shazams in the United States and thirty one thousand Shazams during his Dick Clark's New Years Rockin' Eve performance.
While I'm on the subject of Billboard I want to share some interesting classic rock acts I see in the Top 200 (albums) for the week ending March 13, 2021.Queen's Greatest Hits is at #22.Elton John's Diamonds album is at #35. Alice Cooper debuts a new album at #47. Rumours is at #49.Creedence Clearwater Revival (greatest hits) at #50.Journey's greatest hits at #67. AC/DC Back in Black at #74. Guns & Roses greatest hits at #82. The Beatles #1's at #88.Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers greatest hits at #90 and Michael Jacksons Thriller at #95.

[michelej1]

Billboard should make their past issues available digitally so that we could search them for the archival information we seek.

I would like to know how much money Lindsey and Mick received for their catalogs.

Should we offer to buy John’s catalog so he won’t feel left out? Owning those Lola Thomas songs would make me feel very special.

[UnwindedDreams]

Is this scenario just like Stevie's?
Is Madonna Ciccone in the wrong?
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/madonna-tory-lanez-into-the-groove-plutos-last-comet-1277050/

[Phoenixgypsy]

Billboard should make their past issues available digitally so that we could search them for the archival information we seek.

I would like to know how much money Lindsey and Mick received for their catalogs.

Should we offer to buy John’s catalog so he won’t feel left out? Owning those Lola Thomas songs would make me feel very special.

Yes! Let's buy John's catalog! I love "Now I Know" and "The Way I Do" from that album!

[Jondalar]

Maybe if I'm lucky Michele, they'll post a recap of Christine selling her music publishing in 1988 for one hundred and fifty million dollars.

Is this true? If so, I'm really happy for her. It also came after all her hits from Tango.

[HomerMcvie]

Is this true? If so, I'm really happy for her. It also came after all her hits from Tango.

I remember it being 34 million. Not sure if that was U.S. dollars or British pounds. I always remember numbers, so I'd bet $34 on it being 34.:lol:

[bombaysaffires]

and Stevie didn't sell 100% of her rights; I believe it was 80%

[jwd]

Screw that guy.

Yeah, I'll second that!