My biggest frustration with the Mac

[Houseonthehill]

I happened to see the Mac back in 2014 on the OWS tour, and I have to say, at least in the show I saw, they were in absolute top top form, all 5 of them. It would have been a great tour to be immortalized with a Blu-Ray Concert DVD etc... but wasn't. Missed opportunity that will likely never come back.

[jbrownsjr]

I think their comment was something along the lines of, "You can watch it on youtube."

But really, it would have been nice to have a 3 Blu Ray package of that tour, interviews, talk of the upcoming Fleetwood M..errrrrrrrrrrrr BuckVie album, etc.

[sleepless child]

So many missed opportunities with this band. Most notably an album when Chris came back. And a DVD of the tour.

[Villavic]

I happened to see the Mac back in 2014 on the OWS tour, and I have to say, at least in the show I saw, they were in absolute top top form, all 5 of them. It would have been a great tour to be immortalized with a Blu-Ray Concert DVD etc... but wasn't. Missed opportunity that will likely never come back.

I saw them in NJ so it was the initial OWS tour dates. And yes, they were top form, full of energy (dances, movements). Specially when I compare them with the Unleashed tour, 5 years before, when I saw them at the final dates; there Stevie did a fine performance then but looked obviously tired.

But I disagree in terms of voices. Their voices, specially Lindsey's, were very bad in 2014 if I compare them with the last time I saw them. I think the instruments volume was a bit higher than the usual, maybe to hide the low performance of their voices. Time and age are unavoidable.

[HomerMcvie]

I think their comment was something along the lines of, "You can watch it on youtube."

But really, it would have been nice to have a 3 Blu Ray package of that tour, interviews, talk of the upcoming Fleetwood M..errrrrrrrrrrrr BuckVie album, etc.

And yet the Eagles were so good with concert video releases. I watch far more Eagles these days than FM, because they put out so much more. I'm a little embarrassed to admit that in the past 5 nights, I've watched the 3 DVD History of the Eagles, and the 2 DVD Farewell I. All excellently produced.

Fleetwood Mac has no excuse other than laziness, or $tevie not being able to get her "closeup director" fit into their schedule :lol:, for them not having "viable product" on the market.

I'd bet anything that $tevie said, "it won't sell enough", and that was that. $tevie and her fans, with their stupid numbers....

[Macfan4life]

I could care less about another lip synced concert. The biggest frustration is these 5 members who were apart for so long did not get into the studio and record together.

In theory the 4 did with Buck Vie and it was incredible

[sue]

My biggest frustration with them...the obvious.
Nearly twenty years since SYW...
Seven years since Christine’s return.
And no album from the five.

[bwboy]

I haven’t cared much for the new material the band made since Behind the Mask. Well, I did like the 4 new songs on the Chain box set. I listened to Time and promptly ditched it, and the 4 new songs they did for the Dance were forgettable. Say You Will was ok, I mean just ok. I was at opening night of that tour and the audience was so turned off by the new songs, it was palpable. The EP was, again, just ok. Buck/Vie was the best of a sorry lot of new material. Is there a universe where I’d want to hear any of those 10 songs in concert over Go Your Own Way, You Make Loving Fun, or Landslide. No. And I’d rather hear Book of Love or Brown Eyes or Wish You Were Here or Save Me a Place or I Don’t Want to Know or As Long As You Follow over anything on Buck/Vie.

Deep cuts over new material anytime, that’s my frustration. It’s the best of everything- fans get to hear never before or not often performed songs live, and the band still gets to stretch and be creative, performing songs that would be like new to them.

[HomerMcvie]

Seven years since Christine’s return.
And no album from the five.

But there almost was, and it was great(contrary to BW's opinion). It's only ONE person's fault that it wasn't all five.

I'm personally glad that it was their swan song.

[David]

Biggest frustration? Ohhh dear. Lots and lots to choose from.
Probably biggest for me is that they made decisions that got them kicked up and down the pop landscape. They never went out on top. I really wanted them to go out on top — just disappear and turn into true legends. Instead, they kept churning out what-all and hiring who-all for years afterward until they were considered embarrassments.

[jbrownsjr]

Biggest frustration? Ohhh dear. Lots and lots to choose from.
Probably biggest for me is that they made decisions that got them kicked up and down the pop landscape. They never went out on top. I really wanted them to go out on top — just disappear and turn into true legends. Instead, they kept churning out what-all and hiring who-all for years afterward until they were considered embarrassments.

Well yeah, there's that... :laugh::xoxo:

[sue]

But there almost was, and it was great(contrary to BW's opinion). It's only ONE person's fault that it wasn't all five.

I'm personally glad that it was their swan song.

We all know where the blame lies, but I still would have liked a final album with all five..
Plus....and I know I’m going to regret this, Buckingham Mcvie doesn’t quite do it for me.
It’s okay, but ....

[FuzzyPlum]

My biggest frustration with the Mac...

not enough new material. They should have put out at least 5 more albums over the years...maybe as many as 10.
I'd want more variation in the live shows. New music live would have been great. To hell with it if people go for drinks or pee.
...and any of the Buck/Vie songs on a Fleetwood Mac stage...I really would die a very happy man.

My second biggest frustration with the Mac...

They are just ar$eholes as people.

My third biggest frustration with the Mac...

They dont seem to know a lot about their own band. They always get stuff factually wrong. Come on guys- you lived this stuff!

[SteveMacD]

My biggest frustration with the Mac...

not enough new material. They should have put out at least 5 more albums over the years...maybe as many as 10.
I'd want more variation in the live shows. New music live would have been great. To hell with it if people go for drinks or pee.
THIS

They made more albums in Bob Welch’s 3.5 years than they‘ve made in the nearly 35 years since TITN.



My third biggest frustration with the Mac...

They dont seem to know a lot about their own band. They always get stuff factually wrong. Come on guys- you lived this stuff!

This is one I can forgive. Touring screws with biorhythms and any semblance of time. One day feels like a week. Add drugs and alcohol, and it’s very easy to see how they just blow all the details.

[HomerMcvie]

We all know where the blame lies, but I still would have liked a final album with all five..
Plus....and I know I’m going to regret this, Buckingham Mcvie doesn’t quite do it for me.
It’s okay, but ....

Well, good for me, because I LOVE it. Seriously. And not just because the old goat isn't on it. It's Mirage pt II. Sweet, poppy FM. :woohoo:

[sue]

Well, good for me, because I LOVE it. Seriously. And not just because the old goat isn't on it. It's Mirage pt II. Sweet, poppy FM. :woohoo:

I’m glad for you, it’s my loss that I don’t get it.
Mirage 11...(sucks air through teeth) not for me...
But remember I love SYW...there’s no accounting for taste.

[BLY]

Was not releasing a studio album in....

1984
1989
1991
1993
1998
2000
2002
2005
2008
2011
2014
2017
2019

[David]

I’m glad for you, it’s my loss that I don’t get it.
Mirage 11...(sucks air through teeth) not for me...I like well over half of it, as I recall. Engineering is pretty good on it. What I don’t like is the breathy Lindsey Buckingham vocals on the verses of about four or five cuts. Why he feels the need to sound like a pervert in a Brian De Palma movie, I don’t know.

What happened to the youthful, devilish ebullience of the vocalist who gave us Bwana and Eyes of the World?

[UnwindedDreams]

Was not releasing a studio album in....

I did this for my own fun and entertainment!
1984 - wasn't Chris doing a lot of shows in 84? Also was 84 when Stevie was getting really bad with substance abuse?
1991 - Don't forget TineSpace!
1993 - Stevie was working on Street Angel. Lindsey toured.
1998 - Enchanted Tour
2000 - Stevie worked on TISL
2002 - Say You Will was recorded this year!
2005 - Stevie Vegas Residency, Summer 2005 Tours
2008 - Stevie Crystal Visions Tour
2011 - IYD Tour
2014 - Stevie too busy
2017 - Stevie reveals to RollingStone she doesn't want to make a new FM album
2019 - Stevie would rather sing Black Magic Woman, Free Fallin, Split Enz, and Don't Dream It's Over than her own fresh material

[UnwindedDreams]

I'd bet anything that $tevie said, "it won't sell enough", and that was that. $tevie and her fans, with their stupid numbers....

I doubt that! She released a dvd and bluray of her 24 Karat Gold Tour. I doubt she cared about the sales because it had no promotion.

Also we got Live in Boston in 2004... while they were on tour!!!! Good one Carl!

[HomerMcvie]

I’m glad for you, it’s my loss that I don’t get it.
Mirage 11...(sucks air through teeth) not for me...
But remember I love SYW...there’s no accounting for taste.

I'm glad for me, too!

SYW is a cold fish. There's no warmth to it.

What's missing? Yep.

[HomerMcvie]

I doubt that! She released a dvd and bluray of her 24 Karat Gold Tour. I doubt she cared about the sales because it had no promotion.

Also we got Live in Boston in 2004... while they were on tour!!!! Good one Carl!

Are you sure they weren't fulfilling contractual obligations? I don't know or really care(no offense).

Live in Boston. It's on a shelf in front of me. I think I literally watched it ONE TIME when I bought it, and haven't watched it since.

Who TF is Carl????:D

[UnwindedDreams]

Are you sure they weren't fulfilling contractual obligations? I don't know or really care(no offense).

Live in Boston. It's on a shelf in front of me. I think I literally watched it ONE TIME when I bought it, and haven't watched it since.

Who TF is Carl????:D

Carl is a member of the trinity: Irving, Sheryl, Carl:laugh:

Just fyi because I know you don't play in Stevieland...
Her new 24 Karat Gold Tour Dvd was a special project.
I understand Stevie is no longer with Reprise. So she did an exclusive with BMG to get this dvd out. It was her wanting. In the liner notes she writes that she and Karen have been working on it for four years.

Sold as high as a lead balloon. Personally, I think her 2009 Soundstage was better. But this new video is very colorful and fun to watch...ONCE.

You're welcome for s*** you didnt want to hear:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Carl is a member of the trinity: Irving, Sheryl, Carl:laugh:

Just fyi because I know you don't play in Stevieland...
Her new 24 Karat Gold Tour Dvd was a special project.
I understand Stevie is no longer with Reprise. So she did an exclusive with BMG to get this dvd out. It was her wanting. In the liner notes she writes that she and Karen have been working on it for four years.

Sold as high as a lead balloon. Personally, I think her 2009 Soundstage was better. But this new video is very colorful and fun to watch...ONCE.

You're welcome for s*** you didnt want to hear:laugh:

As in Hot Carl? I can believe $tevie would be involved with that!:D

$he and Karen(WHAT AN APPROPRIATE NAME SHE HAS!) have been working on it for 4 years? $tevie gets really high, and Karen makes some phone calls?

Someone gave me a copy of 24K Gold CD when it came out. I made it through it a couple times, and filed it away with Live In Boston(actually I think I threw it away).

I might actually watch Live in Boston right now. I'd actually forgot that it existed. One sour taste was all it took for that to happen. Instantly took it off my radar.

I'll be here all week. Just keep on a spewin'!!!!:laugh::p

[UnwindedDreams]

I might actually watch Live in Boston right now. I'd actually forgot that it existed. One sour taste was all it took for that to happen. Instantly took it off my radar.

I'll be here all week. Just keep on a spewin'!!!!:laugh::p

L.I.B. is good! Play the first 3 songs loud.
Also you can look at the rubber bricks Stevie is walking on:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

L.I.B. is good! Play the first 3 songs loud.
Also you can look at the rubber bricks Stevie is walking on:laugh:

Putting it in now.....

Was this her Frankenbock era(that's what everyone here called her fake Reebok..."boots")? Granny needs a new hip! :lol:

[UnwindedDreams]

Was this her Frankenbock era(that's what everyone here called her fake Reebok..."boots")?

I know. I been around here!
I just liked rubber brick better:lol:
Those things were worn from 01-07 I think.

I think Karen sold them via ebay to Marilyn Manson:laugh:

[Macfan4life]

I'm glad for me, too!

SYW is a cold fish. There's no warmth to it.

What's missing? Yep.
That's exactly what people said about Tusk. I don't understand the hate SYW gets on this board. The kicker to me is the same people love Tusk. The albums are both with Lindsey in control and both can come off a little cold. I understand it more on SYW though. Both albums have similar complaints....too many songs, runs too long, quirky at times, cold, over produced, underproduced, not enough pop songs, songs should have been cut, etc. Yes, SYW needed Christine and she would have made the album one of their best. But I still appreciate SYW for Lindsey's brilliance. I see his talent more on this album than others.

I would love to lock you in a room and play Come, Not That Funny (live), Silver Girl, and Oh Daddy for 72 hours straight :eek:

[On Ice]

Despite the classic music, being a Fleetwood Mac fan is not an easy experience. Hands down the kicker for me is the creativity between Rumours and Tusk, and the band seeming not to want to rest on its laurels only to do just that, over and over and over again. Forty plus years with the concert sets almost entirely from Rumours and Tusk gets barely a nod. Secondly, the years and years without new albums, we all know why that didn't happen but still, an awfully long dry period. Thirdly, abandoning the Behind the Mask lineup after one album. What about some reflection about what didn't work, ie the production, and kick out a killer album. What with Stevie in fantastic voice and Christine with some great songs, we could've seen a wonderful album in the early 90's. Most recently and last but not least, the endless tours. I consider myself a devoted fan, but have not seen them since 04 and Stevie solo since 1991. Touring without new music just doesn't do it for me, especially with deteriorating talents and excessive augmentation. Buck McVie as a Mac album with 3 or 4 Nicks tunes could've sent them out on a high note but instead we got what is likely the final cash grab tour with band members who should not have been there, despite being great on their own.

[Macfan4life]

Despite the classic music, being a Fleetwood Mac fan is not an easy experience. Hands down the kicker for me is the creativity between Rumours and Tusk, and the band seeming not to want to rest on its laurels only to do just that, over and over and over again. Forty plus years with the concert sets almost entirely from Rumours and Tusk gets barely a nod. Secondly, the years and years without new albums, we all know why that didn't happen but still, an awfully long dry period. Thirdly, abandoning the Behind the Mask lineup after one album. What about some reflection about what didn't work, ie the production, and kick out a killer album. What with Stevie in fantastic voice and Christine with some great songs, we could've seen a wonderful album in the early 90's. Most recently and last but not least, the endless tours. I consider myself a devoted fan, but have not seen them since 04 and Stevie solo since 1991. Touring without new music just doesn't do it for me, especially with deteriorating talents and excessive augmentation. Buck McVie as a Mac album with 3 or 4 Nicks tunes could've sent them out on a high note but instead we got what is likely the final cash grab tour with band members who should not have been there, despite being great on their own.
I also think the music industry changed so much which really almost prevented new creativity and new music. You must REALLY love your craft to spend so much time in the studio to create new songs that will sell 50,000 copies if you are lucky. Christine and Lindsey were perfect examples of that. They did it because they love making music. Stevie did it too with In Your Dreams.
But look how the music industry has changed. In the 80s, a hit album was how the artist made money. Stevie probably made over a million dollars easy with The Wild Heart album sales. Her tour probably yielded a profit as just as much. Today, Stevie grossed over a million for one night on her 24k Gold tour. Concert ticket prices have went up so much more than inflation that it keeps old bands on the road that would have never dared to be on the road at their age before. In 1983, my Wild Heart ticket cost $12.75 which was almost as much as what the album cost.
They are old, their output is limited so they go for the cash every time.

[jbrownsjr]

I also think the music industry changed so much which really almost prevented new creativity and new music. You must REALLY love your craft to spend so much time in the studio to create new songs that will sell 50,000 copies if you are lucky. Christine and Lindsey were perfect examples of that. They did it because they love making music. Stevie did it too with In Your Dreams.
But look how the music industry has changed. In the 80s, a hit album was how the artist made money. Stevie probably made over a million dollars easy with The Wild Heart album sales. Her tour probably yielded a profit as just as much. Today, Stevie grossed over a million for one night on her 24k Gold tour. Concert ticket prices have went up so much more than inflation that it keeps old bands on the road that would have never dared to be on the road at their age before. In 1983, my Wild Heart ticket cost $12.75 which was almost as much as what the album cost.
They are old, their output is limited so they go for the cash every time.


There is no excuse, in my opinion, to be an artist and not create. I can't stand Stevie's voice anymore, but she made an album in what, a month? It's horrible, but she made it.
Fleetwood Mac should have evolved with the industry. They have way more resources than 99% of the artists out there. I'll never accept that as an excuse. They have the right to become a nostalgia touring act, but I don't think LB or CM wanted that.
Oh, and SYW sucks.

[HomerMcvie]

That's exactly what people said about Tusk. I don't understand the hate SYW gets on this board. The kicker to me is the same people love Tusk. The albums are both with Lindsey in control and both can come off a little cold. I understand it more on SYW though. Both albums have similar complaints....too many songs, runs too long, quirky at times, cold, over produced, underproduced, not enough pop songs, songs should have been cut, etc. Yes, SYW needed Christine and she would have made the album one of their best. But I still appreciate SYW for Lindsey's brilliance. I see his talent more on this album than others.

I would love to lock you in a room and play Come, Not That Funny (live), Silver Girl, and Oh Daddy for 72 hours straight :eek:
Please don't compare SYW to Tusk. That's like comparing assh*les and oranges. Tusk has Over and Over, Never Forget, Honey Hi, the butthole song(Brown Eyes), and the greatest FM song of all time, Think About Me. And I love all of Lindsey's songs on Tusk. I can't say the same about Come, or Murrow, or....
Tusk is leaps and bounds better than SYW!

You pay too much attention to the songs I dislike...and I've never been locked in a room(well, except for that one night...:laugh:), but I'm willing to try!:woohoo::wavey:

[bwboy]

There is no excuse, in my opinion, to be an artist and not create. I can't stand Stevie's voice anymore, but she made an album in what, a month? It's horrible, but she made it.
Fleetwood Mac should have evolved with the industry. They have way more resources than 99% of the artists out there. I'll never accept that as an excuse. They have the right to become a nostalgia touring act, but I don't think LB or CM wanted that.
Oh, and SYW sucks.

I’m trying to understand what you (and others) are saying- that Stevie and/or more specifically FM should record more, yet you also say you can’t stand her voice anymore. So if you don’t like her voice anymore, why do you want her to keep recording? So she’ll sing new songs you don’t like live?

I am fine that FM has released the amount of material they have. I do wish that the band, with Billy and Rick, had made at least one more album together, perhaps with a different producer, but they didn’t. FM, Rumours, Tusk, Mirage, and Tango have plenty of worthy material that could be performed live. Throw in the hits, some deep cuts, and pre and post Buckingham songs, and the setlist could be phenomenal without new material. Could you imagine hearing Love Shines live?

The idea that the band would perform a lot of songs from Tusk live now, with or without Lindsey, is something only diehard FM fans would want. Save Me a Place, Over and Over, Brown Eyes, Storms, Never Forget, and Beautiful Child would be too slow, while Not That Funny and Walk a Thin Line would be too obnoxious, and the refreshment stands and bathrooms would be overflowing during those songs. And I say this as a fan of many of the songs I just mentioned.

[Macfan4life]

Please don't compare SYW to Tusk. That's like comparing assh*les and oranges. Tusk has Over and Over, Never Forget, Honey Hi, the butthole song(Brown Eyes), and the greatest FM song of all time, Think About Me. And I love all of Lindsey's songs on Tusk. I can't say the same about Come, or Murrow, or....
Tusk is leaps and bounds better than SYW!

You pay too much attention to the songs I dislike...and I've never been locked in a room(well, except for that one night...:laugh:), but I'm willing to try!:woohoo::wavey:
I said the criticism is the same. Not comparing the albums. You described SYW as cold. Many describe Tusk that way.
There are some great songs on SYW and Lindsey would agree with me. So there!

I only know the songs you hate because they are the songs I love.

[HomerMcvie]

I said the criticism is the same. Not comparing the albums. You described SYW as cold. Many describe Tusk that way.
There are some great songs on SYW and Lindsey would agree with me. So there!

I only know the songs you hate because they are the songs I love.

Yet Tusk is now revered as a masterpiece! SYW is 18 years old, and revered as WHAT?

I don't HATE Oh Daddy, or even NTF live(well, I hate the Mirage version ~screaming~ - but just the screaming). I've been on a playing keyboards kick the past couple of weeks(I'm primarily a guitar player, even though my abilities are about the same on both), and I've even been playing Warm Ways! So ~hate~ is an extreme way of saying "not my favorites".
I DO hate Come. Bunch of NOISE, that doesn't belong on a FM record.
And Silver Girl sucks, well, I gotta agree with jbrowns, it's $tevie's VOICE. It's horrible now. Calling it flat and lackluster is being kind. Sounds like an old cat being tortured in an alley somewhere.

[jbrownsjr]

I’m trying to understand what you (and others) are saying- that Stevie and/or more specifically FM should record more, yet you also say you can’t stand her voice anymore. So if you don’t like her voice anymore, why do you want her to keep recording? So she’ll sing new songs you don’t like live?


I'm saying it doesn't matter if I like it or not, at least she created something. A lot of people love her current voice. So when she toured 24 Karen Gold, at least she had new selections to choose from. Some of those people were dying to hear some of those old demos. Personally, I didn't enjoy the new versions.

The Dance had 4 new songs. Greatest Hits has 2 new songs. We got ALAYF! What a beautiful new song.
You mean to tell me they couldn't come up with 3 new songs for the 2014/2015 tour? In My World/Carnival Begin/If You Were My Love
Instead of Gypsy.. (shriek) Over My Head (zzzzzz) and Big Love (please god no more)

That's my point. I know you don't care for it too much, but I'd even take Sweet Girl. Love that song! Also, I loved the tours with Billy and Rick. They were very high energy and played a wonderful set list.

[Macfan4life]

I'm saying it doesn't matter if I like it or not, at least she created something. A lot of people love her current voice. So when she toured 24 Karen Gold, at least she had new selections to choose from. Some of those people were dying to hear some of those old demos. Personally, I didn't enjoy the new versions.

The Dance had 4 new songs. Greatest Hits has 2 new songs. We got ALAYF! What a beautiful new song.
You mean to tell me they couldn't come up with 3 new songs for the 2014/2015 tour? In My World/Carnival Begin/If You Were My Love
Instead of Gypsy.. (shriek) Over My Head (zzzzzz) and Big Love (please god no more)

That's my point. I know you don't care for it too much, but I'd even take Sweet Girl. Love that song! Also, I loved the tours with Billy and Rick. They were very high energy and played a wonderful set list.
Sweet Girl yes...….. but would you take a Silver Girl Or how about Electra Woman and Dyna Girl?
:eek:

[tango87]

It's hard to know where to start with this... My biggest frustration with the Mac, out of so many?

I suppose I wish they had been more productive and less dysfunctional. But their dysfunction made them what they were (are?) and was the engine behind the music. I've read some 'discussion' on here recently about whether the Rumours 5 had a particular chemistry, with some saying that the chemistry evaporated early on. I really don't agree. It persists to this day! It's entirely negative now, but it's still there...

I wish they'd made more music together. But maybe if they had been able to, it would mean they'd got on better, so perhaps it would have been more anodyne.

I wish Lindsey hadn't left before the Tango tour, so he could have come to the UK with it.

I wish they'd brought The Dance tour over here...

I really wish they could at least have made one last album together. I adored Buckingham McVie, but we all knew what it was supposed to have been from the start.

Really, I wish they could have recognised what they had and how good and unique it was, and done more with it. But I'm wishing for a different band.

[bwboy]

I'm saying it doesn't matter if I like it or not, at least she created something. A lot of people love her current voice. So when she toured 24 Karen Gold, at least she had new selections to choose from. Some of those people were dying to hear some of those old demos. Personally, I didn't enjoy the new versions.

The Dance had 4 new songs. Greatest Hits has 2 new songs. We got ALAYF! What a beautiful new song.
You mean to tell me they couldn't come up with 3 new songs for the 2014/2015 tour? In My World/Carnival Begin/If You Were My Love
Instead of Gypsy.. (shriek) Over My Head (zzzzzz) and Big Love (please god no more)

That's my point. I know you don't care for it too much, but I'd even take Sweet Girl. Love that song! Also, I loved the tours with Billy and Rick. They were very high energy and played a wonderful set list.

I agree with what you said about certain songs being retired from the setlist, although I would love to hear Big Love performed by the whole band. Imagine Dragons did a great cover of Big Love for MusiCares, I think. Good point about As Long As You Follow, but that song was recorded 30+years ago. I really don't think the band is capable of recording incredible music anymore, even if they wanted to put their differences aside.

In an ideal world, we would have more incredible FM albums, on par with FM or Rumours, but I suspect they’d turn out more like Say You Will than Tango.

[Macfan4life]

Please don't compare SYW to Tusk. That's like comparing assh*les and oranges. Tusk has Over and Over, Never Forget, Honey Hi, the butthole song(Brown Eyes), and the greatest FM song of all time, Think About Me. And I love all of Lindsey's songs on Tusk. I can't say the same about Come, or Murrow, or....
Tusk is leaps and bounds better than SYW!

You pay too much attention to the songs I dislike...and I've never been locked in a room(well, except for that one night...:laugh:), but I'm willing to try!:woohoo::wavey:
I will compare Tusk to SYW. Both share many similarities. Most of the songs are extremely unique and very creative unlike the synth light pop hit focus of Tango. These songs run long and are written very well. Many intricate layers. I dare you one night to listen to SYW with headphones on. Its definitely their most creative album since Tusk and it should not be flamed for that.

[HomerMcvie]

I will compare Tusk to SYW. Both share many similarities. Most of the songs are extremely unique and very creative unlike the synth light pop hit focus of Tango. These songs run long and are written very well. Many intricate layers. I dare you one night to listen to SYW with headphones on. Its definitely their most creative album since Tusk and it should not be flamed for that.

We don't disagree on much, but....


I don't question Lindsey's production values on SYW. I question the song quality, and the singing ability, especially $tevie's. Her voice is awful these days(and those days, considering SYW was 18 years ago).

I watched LIB last night, and her voice is totally annoying now.

[UnwindedDreams]

I watched LIB last night, and her voice is totally annoying now.

I got Homie to pop that disc in:lol:

She sounded good in LIB (except Don't Stop). Thanks to Joe Thomas!

[HomerMcvie]

I got Homie to pop that disc in:lol:

She sounded good in LIB (except Don't Stop). Thanks to Joe Thomas!

You did!:lol:

Don't Stop was horrible.

Things I hated the most -
-Them holding hands and making googly eyes at each other. Made me want to vomit.
-When Lindsey puts down his guitar in Tusk, and "spars" with $tevie, ending in the big embrace. Needed a puke bucket again!
-That IDIOTIC dance $tevie did at the beginning of GDW. I thought $he'd suffered a stroke or something. A complete embarrassment. How no one told her how stupid it looks is beyond me. I guess when you can afford a yes army, no one is stepping up to save you face, out of fear of getting fired.

EDIT - and that stupid "lasso move" $he does during SYW(song).

[UnwindedDreams]

You did!:lol:

Don't Stop was horrible.

Things I hated the most -
-Them holding hands and making googly eyes at each other. Made me want to vomit.
-When Lindsey puts down his guitar in Tusk, and "spars" with $tevie, ending in the big embrace. Needed a puke bucket again!
-That IDIOTIC dance $tevie did at the beginning of GDW. I thought $he'd suffered a stroke or something. A complete embarrassment. How no one told her how stupid it looks is beyond me. I guess when you can afford a yes army, no one is stepping up to save you face, out of fear of getting fired.
That GDW dance is really only made worse by the cement blocks she's walking on!
I don't know what Lindsey was doing with the sparring and the jumping. Maybe he was feeling an attraction:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

That GDW dance is really only made worse by the cement blocks she's walking on!
I don't know what Lindsey was doing with the sparring and the jumping. Maybe he was feeling an attraction:laugh:

Well $he's three feet tall, so I guess $he has to prop herself up on something.

I've never seen him wearing glasses. He must need them!

[UnwindedDreams]

I've never seen him wearing glasses. He must need them!
Yes, so he could see that Lane Bryant outfit he put on:laugh:

[Macfan4life]

We don't disagree on much, but....


I don't question Lindsey's production values on SYW. I question the song quality, and the singing ability, especially $tevie's. Her voice is awful these days(and those days, considering SYW was 18 years ago).

I watched LIB last night, and her voice is totally annoying now.
I know you like the song Everybody Finds Out. You don't agree that this kind of music does not appear or frequently appear on other Fleetwood Mac albums? Its a whole new level of performance by the band. This is not Seven Wonders 2.0
While you don't like Come, can you at least appreciate the edgy music from the Mac? Its not your cup of tea but you cant see the creativity? The Mac: John, Lindsey, and Mick play their assess off on this album. That alone should make you wanna get a tattoo "Silver Girl" on your left arm.
You cant see how this effort is Tusk like? SYW is not my favorite album but I am blown away how good it is in many areas and about 70% of the songs are incredible. My head explodes when I read on this board how Illume is dumb and not a catchy pop song. Seriously..... I don't get how people don't get this album.
I will follow you down to the sound of SYW posts will haunt you.

[HomerMcvie]

I know you like the song Everybody Finds Out. You don't agree that this kind of music does not appear or frequently appear on other Fleetwood Mac albums? Its a whole new level of performance by the band. This is not Seven Wonders 2.0
While you don't like Come, can you at least appreciate the edgy music from the Mac? Its not your cup of tea but you cant see the creativity? The Mac: John, Lindsey, and Mick play their assess off on this album. That alone should make you wanna get a tattoo "Silver Girl" on your left arm.
You cant see how this effort is Tusk like? SYW is not my favorite album but I am blown away how good it is in many areas and about 70% of the songs are incredible. My head explodes when I read on this board how Illume is dumb and not a catchy pop song. Seriously..... I don't get how people don't get this album.
I will follow you down to the sound of SYW posts will haunt you.
I do like EFO, and appreciate the different style of music on it(not that I'd want an entire album of that from FM).

Come shouldn't have been a FM song. Watching LIB, and Lindsey is wiggling his index finger at the camera, "every time you don't come". I'm no prude, but that's just TRASHY(there, I said it). When you're 25, it's forgivable. When you're a senior citizen, it's embarrassing. It looks like a pathetic attempt to appear to be cutting edge and relevant. I DON'T WANT THE BAND OF MY LIFE TO BE TRASHY.

SYW as an EP? Yeah, there were enough good songs for that. But when you tie the Albatross of Come and Silver Girls around it's neck, it sinks like a stone.

[jmn3]

Come shouldn't have been a FM song. Watching LIB, and Lindsey is wiggling his index finger at the camera, "every time you don't come". I'm no prude, but that's just TRASHY(there, I said it).

Hahahaha, look, you found some common ground with Stevie!!

I like some of Say You Will, some of it is just filler, and some is pure trash. Running Through the Garden, Everybody Finds Out, Thrown Down, Destiny Rules, Miranda, Bleed to Love Her, and Steal Your Heart Away. Add in 3-4 Christine songs and I'd love that album. Peacekeeper and Say You Will aren't bad per se but are meh.

Come live was awesome. On the album it's not nearly as interesting.

[HomerMcvie]

Hahahaha, look, you found some common ground with Stevie!!

I like some of Say You Will, some of it is just filler, and some is pure trash. Running Through the Garden, Everybody Finds Out, Thrown Down, Destiny Rules, Miranda, Bleed to Love Her, and Steal Your Heart Away. Add in 3-4 Christine songs and I'd love that album. Peacekeeper and Say You Will aren't bad per se but are meh.

Come live was awesome. On the album it's not nearly as interesting.

Yeah, and we both like blow!:p

I agree. Let's throw away 5-6 songs, add 4 Christine songs, and it would have been a good album. Speaking of blow....FM without Christine blows.

I've never been a fan of screaming(see notes for NTF live - Mirage version). I'm a melody and harmony lover.

[FuzzyPlum]

Hahahaha, look, you found some common ground with Stevie!!

I like some of Say You Will, some of it is just filler, and some is pure trash. Running Through the Garden, Everybody Finds Out, Thrown Down, Destiny Rules, Miranda, Bleed to Love Her, and Steal Your Heart Away. Add in 3-4 Christine songs and I'd love that album. Peacekeeper and Say You Will aren't bad per se but are meh.

Come live was awesome. On the album it's not nearly as interesting.


Come is definitely better in person

[FuzzyPlum]

I agree with what you said about certain songs being retired from the setlist, although I would love to hear Big Love performed by the whole band. Imagine Dragons did a great cover of Big Love for MusiCares, I think. Good point about As Long As You Follow, but that song was recorded 30+years ago. I really don't think the band is capable of recording incredible music anymore, even if they wanted to put their differences aside.

In an ideal world, we would have more incredible FM albums, on par with FM or Rumours, but I suspect they’d turn out more like Say You Will than Tango.


The more I listen to Sad Angel, the more I think it it absolutely f***ing amazing. That was only a few years back. Had the 5 all recorded together a few years ago when they had the chance I have no doubt they could have pulled out something truly awesome.

I'd take more SYW than nothing.

[UnwindedDreams]

The more I listen to Sad Angel, the more I think it it absolutely f***ing amazing. That was only a few years back. Had the 5 all recorded together a few years ago when they had the chance I have no doubt they could have pulled out something truly awesome.

I'd take more SYW than nothing.
What Idl about Sad Angel is the keyboards, it sweetens the song and Idt it should be a sweet song.

Miss Fantasy I'd listen to every day if I didnt delete my iTunes. Mick is hot on that. And if that's Brett on keys, he's the spine of that song!

[jmn3]

The more I listen to Sad Angel, the more I think it it absolutely f***ing amazing. That was only a few years back. Had the 5 all recorded together a few years ago when they had the chance I have no doubt they could have pulled out something truly awesome.

I'd take more SYW than nothing.

I really liked Sad Angel and loved hearing it played live in 2013 - it was a nice little rocker early in the set and showed that they could still put out good new music.

[jmn3]

Yeah, and we both like blow!:p

I agree. Let's throw away 5-6 songs, add 4 Christine songs, and it would have been a good album. Speaking of blow....FM without Christine blows.

I've never been a fan of screaming(see notes for NTF live - Mirage version). I'm a melody and harmony lover.

Silver Girl should not just be thrown away, but should be vaporized and also removed from all of our memories. It's a terrible song. The lyrics are some of Stevie's worst on any Fleetwood Mac album. It's hard to make "she stares at the stairs, there are so many things to stare at these days" sound Shakespearian but she managed to on that one.

And then three songs later on the album is Everybody Finds Out which is honestly right up there as one of my favorite songs she ever did. THAT should have been the uptempo number late in the set for her vs. Stand Back on the SYW Tour.

[jmn3]

Bringing it back to the original ask of this thread. I hate how this bad just wasted every single opportunity to do anything really meaningful after 1997. As a new fan at that time (I knew of them even as a kid, but I got into FM pretty hard as a result of The Dance), there was a LOT to explore. One album, one EP, and five tours over 20 years (one of which that includes Mike Campbell and Neil Finn) is just purely wasteful. They could have done a lot more interesting things than just dragging out The Chain/Dreams/Rhiannon/So Afraid/Tusk/GDW/Stand Back/GYOW/Don't Stop every few years which is essentially what it was. They should have leveraged Christine for the Say You Will album even if she didn't tour. And they should have realized that they always do better work together than they do solo (IMO anyway). I would have preferred more new music and more interesting takes on their catalog in a live setting. And I always found this fascination with Stevie and Lindsey as lovers or a couple to be obnoxious. They were together for a few years, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago (depending on the timeframe)! They played it up just as much as the weirdo fans did. The weird Tusk/Sara/Landslide dances and kisses and pretending to still be in LURRRVVVE while hating each other - - ugh! So basically, while some good things came out of the last 24 years, I found too much of it to be one wasted opportunity after another. My biggest gripe with them!

[HomerMcvie]

Bringing it back to the original ask of this thread. I hate how this bad just wasted every single opportunity to do anything really meaningful after 1997. As a new fan at that time (I knew of them even as a kid, but I got into FM pretty hard as a result of The Dance), there was a LOT to explore. One album, one EP, and five tours over 20 years (one of which that includes Mike Campbell and Neil Finn) is just purely wasteful. They could have done a lot more interesting things than just dragging out The Chain/Dreams/Rhiannon/So Afraid/Tusk/GDW/Stand Back/GYOW/Don't Stop every few years which is essentially what it was. They should have leveraged Christine for the Say You Will album even if she didn't tour. And they should have realized that they always do better work together than they do solo (IMO anyway). I would have preferred more new music and more interesting takes on their catalog in a live setting. And I always found this fascination with Stevie and Lindsey as lovers or a couple to be obnoxious. They were together for a few years, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago (depending on the timeframe)! They played it up just as much as the weirdo fans did. The weird Tusk/Sara/Landslide dances and kisses and pretending to still be in LURRRVVVE while hating each other - - ugh! So basically, while some good things came out of the last 24 years, I found too much of it to be one wasted opportunity after another. My biggest gripe with them!

Their fake love....I DESPISE IT. It was SO STUPID that they did it, and speaks to the intellect of the people who lapped it up. Not to mention HOW F*CKING DISRESPECTFUL it was to his wife. I guess she enjoyed cashing the checks enough to look the other way.

[Macfan4life]

Their fake love....I DESPISE IT. It was SO STUPID that they did it, and speaks to the intellect of the people who lapped it up. Not to mention HOW F*CKING DISRESPECTFUL it was to his wife. I guess she enjoyed cashing the checks enough to look the other way.
How dare you question the authenticity of Stevie Nicks. The warmness you felt in your belly with eyes wide with tears as you sung along to Landslide.

[HomerMcvie]

How dare you question the authenticity of Stevie Nicks. The warmness you felt in your belly with eyes wide with tears as you sung along to Landslide.

Okay, I need pics of your $tevie $hrine!

I've not been a $tevie fan since OSOTM was released. Everything $he had going for her went away. And never came back!!!

[jmn3]

Their fake love....I DESPISE IT. It was SO STUPID that they did it, and speaks to the intellect of the people who lapped it up. Not to mention HOW F*CKING DISRESPECTFUL it was to his wife. I guess she enjoyed cashing the checks enough to look the other way.

It felt a bit more realistic during The Dance. But it seemed like so many people got amped up about them as a couple from that, combined with Chris leaving, that once they got on stage in 2003 and beyond, they felt compelled to keep making it worse and more ridiculous. At the 2013 concert some guy next to me was like "they still bone" after Landslide or Sara...and I was like, uh, dude, I HIGHLY doubt it. I don't know why people cared. I wasn't even born when they were a couple. They broke up before my parents met ffs. I just like the music. I'm glad they were a couple and broke up and created some great music because of it. I could care less if you like each other now. Look at Mick and Keith on stage...you know they just want to kill each other 99% of the time. I'm not there to pretend it's still 1963 and they live together in the same London flat as best buddies.

[UnwindedDreams]

Look at Mick and Keith on stage...you know they just want to kill each other 99% of the time. I'm not there to pretend it's still 1963 and they live together in the same London flat as best buddies.

Then they share a mic for Dead Flowers and melt our hearts:laugh:

[SteveMacD]

It’s funny, but a lot of the criticism about them post-1997 was something I saw coming in 1997. I always saw The Dance as Fleetwood Mac’s kiss of death, especially the Landslide kiss. Christine was obviously just having a last hurrah, Lindsey takes too painfully long to make albums, and Stevie had her solo career. It ended up being worse than I imagined, but not by much.