Do you like Stevie’s new single, Show Them the Way?

[Jondalar]

Do you like Stevie’s new single, Show Them the Way?

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[TheWildHeart67]

Yup. I think it's a strong song. It doesn't sound like a "hit" single, but it's a nicely sung and produced song.

[Jondalar]

Yup. I think it's a strong song. It doesn't sound like a "hit" single, but it's a nicely sung and produced song.

Well then cast your vote.

[TrueFaith77]

I have to think about it. But like Iris DeMent’s How Long, I admit to being moved and raised goose flesh.

So I think the applicability of the “Dream” to the Hamptons is rather ludicrous (“Dont forget what we were fighting for!”). The context of that directive in the Hampton’s is as out of place as the applicability of it to today.

But is there another example of Stevie PRaYING in song? Wow. I am moved I can’t help it.

ETA: is that mick?

[xhector]

I think it's her worst song to date. I couldn't even finish it.

[BombaySapphire3]

I think it's her worst song to date. I couldn't even finish it.

Alternate title: "Please God Make it go Away."

[vivfox]

I usually always love her demos more than the released version so I listened to the acoustic version first. After 4:52 seconds I was bored and wanted it to end. The next two minutes I listened to the rest but it felt too long. Then I watched the official video and almost from the get go some tears started to flow. I know it sounds corny and some of you will eye roll but it made me cry because it's a great song. And the picture flashbacks invoke photo memories seen long ago. I enjoyed her vocal and the music very much. It's not a song that will have me dancing around the house because it's too serious a subject for that. It's not a song I want to listen to a lot because it is so serious. But I will listen to it and I do like it.
I hear musical elements of Trouble in Shangri La mixed in with the vocal elements of Bombay Sapphires within this song.

[Jondalar]

My view is this. I really like the production a lot. It saves the song. If you can really call it a song. It's a just poem she clumsily turned into a song with the help of another writer/producer. Why she got it in her head that the rambling poem is great is beyond me. Anyone could of written it. Why does she still think that everything she writes is great? She loves herself too much.

The song is in the vein of Illume, Mabel Norman, You Can't Fix This and a few others. I loved the production on those songs but the bad lyrics really bother me soo much that I rarely listen to them. The lyrics don't bother me as much on this song because she states at the beginning of the song that this is just a dream, so I guess it doesn't have to make as much sense. I also like the little chorus and how the song ends. Still the song is wayyyyyy tooo long and it's clumsily written, like almost all of her later stuff. (this song was co-written but we saw the original poem so he didn't do much) It's also boring. But ok, I'm going to give this song a thumbs up because I think it makes more sense than most, the production is great and surprisingly, her voice doesn’t sound that bad. I'll also give her the benefit of the doubt because of her age.

Now for the video. It sucks. I feel like she is trying to pander to a group of people and at the end when she tells us to VOTE, I just rolled my eyes. It's a blatant attempt at trying to be relevant and it looks pretty cheap.

P.S. Maybe I'm being too hard on her. Anyone who writes a political song and comes out with a political video is trying to be relevant I guess. It is self serving though.

[Jondalar]

Also, this doesn't speak very well for a new album. I mean she is just handing over poems to producers and working with them to turn her poems into songs. They can't work miracles. Production won't save all her ramblings. I thought 24Karat Gold and In Your Dreams were comebacks for her because actually really worked on the songs.

[sleepless child]

When I listened to the preview yesterday, I wasn't impressed with her voice or the song. I listened to both this morning and just watched the video. This song works with the video. It reminds me of Mabel Norman, but Mabel had better music. I think when the songs kicks in 1/3 way through it works better. The lyrics in the beginning are pretty clumsy. "I fell into the dress" I really don't like that lyric. But as a whole, I'm pretty proud of her. She is stating a very powerful message and it works. I'm still mad at her for Lindsey though.

[GypsySorcerer]

The song works better paired with the video. I admit I was moved, and I actually appreciate her making more of a political statement. She's a powerful voice...use it.

[xhector]

I think it's her worst song to date. I couldn't even finish it.

I must say that, as a non native English speaker, normally when I listen to a song in English I have this "superpower" of not noticing what the lyrics say at all, unless I pay special attention.
Having now seen the video and paid attention to the lyrics, I must say that I appreciate Stevie's intention (I am very interested in USA politics) and hope the same as she, that you all go to vote and in a certain way :o
As a song, to me it would fall into, to say politely, my least favorite of Stevie. Marbel Normand, Illume, and this one... wtf with singing these lazy 3 note melodies that never end? Lindsey, do something!
Well, as I read someone say, I won't consider this a "song" but rather a sort of poem or statement or alike...

[xhector]

I also think that the production and the way she sounds are good. Sometimes, with TISL atmosphere, which to me is very positive (I loved TISL).
So I think it's a pity that, with this production, this message intention, as a song it was this weak.

[bombaysaffires]

I think it's her worst song to date. I couldn't even finish it.

the words are absurd.

Do we know who wrote the music? Is this a Dave collaboration?

It sounds way too much like Mabel Normand in terms of melody and her voice.:eek:

She needs an editor. Cringey.

[Frankenstein]

Hate the music and production. It sounds like every top 40 pop song that's been released over the last 5 years and that doesn't suit Stevie at all, in my opinion.

The lyrics are okay. Some have called it a rambling mess but I like that Mabel Normand-esque style from her. I can't say I LIKE this song. It's just very middle of the road but I'm glad to see her actually creating something. Here's to hoping this really does lead to a new album.

[Villavic]

Unfortunately, I don’t enjoy current Stevie’s voice. I think In Your Dreams album has good songs but I can’t listen the whole album cause I get saturated of her Donald Duck voice sound. I think her last really great voice performance was The Dance. And probably Trouble in Shangri-La.

However, I do admit I did enjoy her performances during the last Fleetwood Mac shows I went to see them (obviously with Lindsey). But 2014 was the “This is it” to me, their (3) voices were not as good as in the past so I decided no to see them again (plus, then Lindsey was fired in 2018 so say no more).

The song is not bad at the beginning, but the second half I don’t liked that much. Anyway it’s her voice what annoys me. Sad. If I can turn back time…

[rubylounge]

I like the video..
the lyrics are good..
I appreciate that she released the song.
She is a Baby Boomer who lived through crazy times..
like the assassination of Kennedy and MLK.
The riots in the 60's.......
The changes that they fought for back then...
.....that feel like they could be taken away now.......
I am glad that she is speaking out about these crazy times.

[Storms123]

the words are absurd.

Do we know who wrote the music? Is this a Dave collaboration?

It sounds way too much like Mabel Normand in terms of melody and her voice.:eek:

She needs an editor. Cringey.

YES all of this. Remember when she needed Lindsey's help with Soldier's Angel? SAME.
It's clear she's passionate about the words, but this shouldn't be a song. Perhaps better left as a poem.

[BLY]

I like the song and video it’s vey moving. Her voice is what it is. When I listened to her songs recorded prior to the 1990s I see why I loved every thing she sang on. I’m still a fan of her music and I have come to terms with her “new sound”.

[ricohv]

I just listened again and caught these lyrics:
"It was all symbolic,
Nothing was as it seemed"
CLUNK!
Clearly we don't need her to tell us that! Why oh why oh why won't she allow the nonsense to be trimmed away to leave the bare bones of a song that might not end up being cringey?? I don't hate it, but like so much of her work, needs some serious editing.

[Jondalar]

Show them the Way is currently #7 on iTunes, all songs. So people are buying it. The funny thing is Dreams (greatest hits) is still #1 and Dreams (Rumours) is #5. She is having a big week.

[michelej1]

I don’t think it’s a good song, but the video is very timely, given what is going on. Plus, I’m the type of person who cries at the sight of RFK’s funeral train, so it doesn’t take much along these lines to get to me.

[Feather Blade]

I guess I am in the minority because I really don't care for "message" songs. I look for my entertainment to be a sanctuary from things like politics. With that said, I didn't think it was bad for a rambling stream of consciousness sort of thing, (though I enjoyed Mabel Normand much more); and the music wasn't bad, but the whole thing was way too long. I doubt I'll buy it or have the urge to listen to it much, but I do hope the burst of creativity leads to a new album.

[BombaySapphire3]

I don’t think it’s a good song, but the video is very timely, given what is going on. Plus, I’m the type of person who cries at the sight of RFK’s funeral train, so it doesn’t take much along these lines to get to me.

I had just turned six and still remember seeing it on TV like it was yesterday.

[BombaySapphire3]

YES all of this. Remember when she needed Lindsey's help with Soldier's Angel? SAME.
It's clear she's passionate about the words, but this shouldn't be a song. Perhaps better left as a poem.

The fact that she thinks that it is equal to Edge of Seventeen shows that she is detached from reality and is a terrible harbinger for a new album .

[Jondalar]

The fact that she thinks that it is equal to Edge of Seventeen shows that she is detached from reality and is a terrible harbinger for a new album .

She doesn’t really think that. She just lied to get people to listen to it.

[Jondalar]

Show Them The Way has moved up to #4 on iTunes chart. Dreams is still #1 & #5.

[TheWildHeart67]

#4?! That's impressive. Even if it peaks and drops now, I think she did pretty good. Reviews have been pretty good too.

[bombaysaffires]

The fact that she thinks that it is equal to Edge of Seventeen shows that she is detached from reality and is a terrible harbinger for a new album .

Totally.:distress:

[sleepless child]

I found myself singing the chorus all day yesterday. So this morning I've listened to it several times. I actually like it. Except for the first verse and part of the second verse. Take out the dress and persian carpet part and in the second verse I'd take out the part about them handing her a drink. Unnecessary. The rest I really like. I also like the rock version better than the accoustic version.

[vivfox]

She doesn’t really think that. She just lied to get people to listen to it.


LOL, what else is new.:lol:

[sodascouts]

I just listened again and caught these lyrics:
"It was all symbolic,
Nothing was as it seemed"
CLUNK!
Clearly we don't need her to tell us that! Why oh why oh why won't she allow the nonsense to be trimmed away to leave the bare bones of a song that might not end up being cringey?? I don't hate it, but like so much of her work, needs some serious editing.

I also chuckled at the line where she felt the need to clarify John Kennedy wasn't literally her friend; she didn't actually know him then. LOL.

[sodascouts]

I deliberately listened to the song without watching the video first; I didn't want my opinion to be influenced by the images. I'm very glad I did, because it seems almost everyone who really liked it was moved by the images on the video more than the song.

The song is not awful by any means, but it rambles on and on, and goes on way too long - it's like a demo, which is hardly surprising considering it is produced by Dave Stewart, the man whose goal is not to give Stevie constructive criticism to make her songs better. His goal is to keep the smile on her face. And to be fair, that's why she hired him.

The narrative about doing benefits in the Hamptons and all that jazz really is a bad way to start the song as it's very hard to relate to. The lyrics do get better in the sense that I do feel like there's a good message buried there regarding peace and love... but it's communicated poorly, IMHO.

I started to get bored about three minutes in. However, I did like how it started to change up around 4:50 and my interest was renewed. (Note: I purchased the song on Amazon and there's also a piano version without this change up or anything to maintain interesting sonicly; it is pretty dreary.)

I appreciate Stevie trying to say something important, and for those who feel she is taking sides, I actually think she actually was a lot less partisan than she could have been. MLK and JFK are pretty safe figures. Yeah, BLM was all over the video, but everybody and their dog hopped on that bandwagon last summer. Celebrities were practically required by law to post that ubiquitous card on social media. I would have been surprised if Stevie hadn't included them in a video talking about race; if she hadn't, I'm sure there would have been criticism from angry Twitterites. Featuring an "I Can't Breath" sign in one pic though... It's BREATHE! BREATHE with an "E"!!! At any rate, we all should vote, no matter what side we're on. In other words, I didn't feel it was OTT.

But this is definitely a song I will not be listening to regularly. I will listen to it a few more times before relegating it down to the always-skip pit of "The Nightmare" and "Cheaper Than Free," though. It might grow on me.

PS For those comparing it to "Mabel Normand" - IMO, "Mabel Normand" is FAR superior!

[BLY]

I also chuckled at the line where she felt the need to clarify John Kennedy wasn't literally her friend, she didn't actually know him then. LOL.

Yes, I was also lol but isn’t that we love about Stevie Nicks?

[Jondalar]

I deliberately listened to the song without watching the video first; I didn't want my opinion to be influenced by the images. I'm very glad I did, because it seems almost everyone who really liked it was moved by the images on the video more than the song.

The song is not awful by any means, but it rambles on and on, and goes on way too long - it's like a demo, which is hardly surprising considering it is produced by Dave Stewart, the man whose goal is not to give Stevie constructive criticism to make her songs better. His goal is to keep the smile on her face. And to be fair, that's why she hired him.

The narrative about doing benefits in the Hamptons and all that jazz really is a bad way to start the song as it's very hard to relate to. The lyrics do get better in the sense that I do feel like there's a good message buried there regarding peace and love... but it's communicated poorly, IMHO.

I started to get bored about three minutes in. However, I did like how it started to change up around 4:50 and my interest was renewed. (Note: I purchased the song on Amazon and there's also a piano version without this change up or anything to maintain interesting sonicly; it is pretty dreary.)

I appreciate Stevie trying to say something important, and for those who feel she is taking sides, I actually think she actually was a lot less partisan than she could have been. MLK and JFK are pretty safe figures. Yeah, BLM was all over the video, but everybody and their dog hopped on that bandwagon last summer. Celebrities were practically required by law to post that ubiquitous card on social media. I would have been surprised if Stevie hadn't included them in a video talking about race; if she hadn't, I'm sure there would have been criticism from angry Twitterites. Featuring an "I Can't Breath" sign in one pic though... It's BREATHE! BREATHE with an "E"!!! At any rate, we all should vote, no matter what side we're on. In other words, I didn't feel it was OTT.

But this is definitely a song I will not be listening to regularly. I will listen to it a few more times before relegating it down to the always-skip pit of "The Nightmare" and "Cheaper Than Free," though. It might grow on me.

PS For those comparing it to "Mabel Normand" - IMO, "Mabel Normand" is FAR superior!

The song is already dropping down the iTunes Charts. It lasted a whole day. Dreams is still #1 though. The song without the video is about 50% less powerful. They need to shave 2 minutes off this song. The best parts happen near the end.

[Storms123]

If she sang this song live, it would give everyone ample time to hit the bathroom and the bar.

[Jondalar]

It really bothers me that no Republicans are in this video. If she really wanted peace she would include everyone including Trump. Also, why aren’t Monica Lewinsky and Mary Joe Kopechnebin this video?

[sodascouts]

It really bothers me that no Republicans are in this video.

George W. Bush was in it.

[UnwindedDreams]

George W. Bush was in it.
George Pataki was in it too.

[StevieandChris]

It is #8 as of this writing, so still doing well. Even if it disappears from the charts forever tomorrow, it's still a nice success that it made the charts at all whether her detractors want to acknowledge it or not.

[greendaze5]

Triggered much? Truth hurts...

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[caterwench]

I feel some Stevie gathered some inspiration or motivation form Dylan's recent song Murder Most Foul" here. The name dropping, length, and history references. Anybody else agree ?

[Jondalar]

I feel some Stevie gathered some inspiration or motivation form Dylan's recent song Murder Most Foul" here. The name dropping, length, and history references. Anybody else agree ?

I agree. He was getting a lot of attention for that song and I thought it was terrible. It was wayyy too long. I could barely get through it. He did mention Stevie and Lindsey in the song.

[BombaySapphire3]

I feel some Stevie gathered some inspiration or motivation form Dylan's recent song Murder Most Foul" here. The name dropping, length, and history references. Anybody else agree ?

Except most of it was written long before Dylan's song.. occasionally she can pull off that stream of thought type song ..Mabel Normand was very good but this one ...not so much.

[BombaySapphire3]

I feel some Stevie gathered some inspiration or motivation form Dylan's recent song Murder Most Foul" here. The name dropping, length, and history references. Anybody else agree ?

That kind of "song" has often worked for Dylan but really only once for Stevie and that was Mabel Normand..this new one just not hold together well and too bad as it was for a good cause.

[vivfox]

Featuring an "I Can't Breath" sign in one pic though... It's BREATHE! BREATHE with an "E"!!!

One has to wonder if Karen and Stevie has noticed also.

[Jondalar]

Fleetwood Mac is having a huge week, Stevie especially.

Chart Positions on iTunes

Songs chart (All Genres)
#1 Dreams (from Greatest Hits)
#3 Dreams (from Rumours)
#9 Show Them the Way
#36 The Chain
#44 Rhiannon
#48 Gypsy
#58 Landslide
#84 Go Your Own Way
#114 Little Lies
#189 Gold Dust Woman

Albums chart (All Genres)
#3 Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits
#10 Rumours
#33 The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac
#185 Crystal Visions:The Very Best of Stevie Nicks

[johnnystorms]

I found myself singing the chorus all day yesterday. So this morning I've listened to it several times. I actually like it. Except for the first verse and part of the second verse. Take out the dress and persian carpet part and in the second verse I'd take out the part about them handing her a drink. Unnecessary. The rest I really like. I also like the rock version better than the accoustic version.

the chorus is catchy. I hoped a modern producer like Kurstin would rein in her tendency to ramble, but i guess not. Still, it's nice to see Stevie noticed in pop culture.

[greendaze5]

Also, why aren’t Monica Lewinsky and Mary Joe Kopechnebin this video?

Learn how to spell. It's 'Mary Jo Kopechne', not 'Mary Joe Kopechnebin'.

Also, bringing up this poor young woman just so you can go on a rant about your personal politics (and make a completely out of left field comment about Stevie's video) is just inappropriate, not to mention ghoulish. :distress:

[Macfan4life]

The song is pretty good but it sounds like a demo to me. It needs more polishing. However all of Stevie's solo music since 2001 sound like boring demos to me.

[StevieandChris]

That kind of "song" has often worked for Dylan but really only once for Stevie and that was Mabel Normand..this new one just not hold together well and too bad as it was for a good cause.

She's has more than just Mabel Normand. In my opinion A Thousand Days, Imperial Hotel, Mirror Mirror, and Trouble in Shangri-La are all in this vein too.

I love the new song more each time I listen to it.

[michelej1]

It really bothers me that no Republicans are in this video. If she really wanted peace she would include everyone including Trump. Also, why aren’t Monica Lewinsky and Mary Joe Kopechnebin this video?

If Mary Jo was in the video what would she be doing? Swimming? You know JPK III paralyzed a gal once. I am not surprised she is not in the video.

Stevie has already written a whole song for Monica and it’s pretty great, if I may say so. She doesn’t need to be in the video.

Anywhere we can
Anytime we can

[michelej1]

One has to wonder if Karen and Stevie has noticed also.

Skies the limit.

[diane_k]

Please god, throw it away. It's awful.

Way too much nonsense crammed into those verses. Let's be real, she has repeatedly said through the years how other people do ~magical~ things to her songs to make them "wonderful".

Sounds like no one was consulted here, and the song just kept going...

[BombaySapphire3]

Even calling it a song is generous ..it is more like a meandering., tuneless and droning mess. Her gift was once coming up with a simple yet haunting melody and mystical but somehow universal lyrics combine that with a sometimes eerie and emotive voice and we have a winner..if this dud is any indication that is all gone now.

[tabruns]

I love it. Great song, great video!

[tabruns]

I found myself singing the chorus all day yesterday. So this morning I've listened to it several times. I actually like it. Except for the first verse and part of the second verse. Take out the dress and persian carpet part and in the second verse I'd take out the part about them handing her a drink. Unnecessary. The rest I really like. I also like the rock version better than the accoustic version.

I like those parts, they give you the real sense of the dream like quality: "The dress came across the Persian carpet" "I fell into the dress". she's communicating those odd things that happen in dreams which are senseless but make sense to you while you're in the dream.

[tabruns]

She's has more than just Mabel Normand. In my opinion A Thousand Days, Imperial Hotel, Mirror Mirror, and Trouble in Shangri-La are all in this vein too.

I love the new song more each time I listen to it.

Me too. I like it a lot and the chorus has stuck with me ever since hearing it the first time.

[tabruns]

I also chuckled at the line where she felt the need to clarify John Kennedy wasn't literally her friend; she didn't actually know him then. LOL.

She didn't mean John Kennedy, she meant John Lennon.

[tabruns]

It really bothers me that no Republicans are in this video. If she really wanted peace she would include everyone including Trump. Also, why aren’t Monica Lewinsky and Mary Joe Kopechnebin this video?

No Republicans? Bush I and Bush II are both in it. And a lot of Republicans would take issue with including Trump, tbh.

[StevieandChris]

Me too. I like it a lot and the chorus has stuck with me ever since hearing it the first time.

The more I listen to it, the more I like it and the more the entire song comes together. It all fits and nothing should be edited from the song, despite what the haters think.

[David]

The more I listen to it, the more I like it and the more the entire song comes together. It all fits and nothing should be edited from the song, despite what the haters think.
Yes, I have played it three or four times and I am getting to really like it. I don't know why, I couldn't articulate it all that well. I am hearing it as less a "song" and more a . . . like a film score. It just seems more vivid and contemporary than her other recent attempts to be vivid and contemporary (like the song she did for the movie about the children or the other song about the death of her godchild).

So I am enjoying this current thing, although I already know that I won't be returning to it in the years to come; it won't have long-term pull on me, the way I return to "Dreams" (the way we're all returning to "Dreams," even if we're sophisticated, not-easily-impressed writers at Billboard magazine).

[michelej1]

Yes, I have played it three or four times and I am getting to really like it. I don't know why, I couldn't articulate it all that well. I am hearing it as less a "song" and more a . . . like a film score. It just seems more vivid and contemporary than her other recent attempts to be vivid and contemporary (like the song she did for the movie about the children or the other song about the death of her godchild).

So I am enjoying this current thing, although I already know that I won't be returning to it in the years to come; it won't have long-term pull on me, the way I return to "Dreams" (the way we're all returning to "Dreams," even if we're sophisticated, not-easily-impressed writers at Billboard magazine).

No, I enjoy it as a film score too, an accompaniment to visuals.i don’t consider it a song.

[Jondalar]

The song completely tanked. It fell out of the top 30 On iTunes within a week The song had a ton of promotion too.

[BombaySapphire3]

The song completely tanked. It fell out of the top 30 On iTunes within a week The song had a ton of promotion too.

It was a dud...you can only polish a turd so much.

[mitzo]

The song completely tanked. It fell out of the top 30 On iTunes within a week The song had a ton of promotion too.

Let's see how Lindsey's next album charts.

[TheWildHeart67]

The song completely tanked. It fell out of the top 30 On iTunes within a week The song had a ton of promotion too.

If it had completely tanked, it never would have charted. I don't know how well you expected it to do. It's not a song that was aimed at radio play or top 40.
The track hot good reviews, good publicity, and was a top 10 download/streaming track for a few days.
I didn't expect it to chart at all.
You trash her regardless. You'll be trashing the movie and live Cd too. Yawn.

[BombaySapphire3]

Let's see how Lindsey's next album charts.

What do that sales of an unreleased Lindsey Buckingham album have to do with this song being a dud.. You admitted yourself that it was so subpar that you weren't even going to pay a couple bucks to download it.:laugh:

[UnwindedDreams]

If it had completely tanked, it never would have charted. I don't know how well you expected it to do. It's not a song that was aimed at radio play or top 40.
The track hot good reviews, good publicity, and was a top 10 download/streaming track for a few days.

I think it will have a chart number on the Hot 100. The data's not out yet I think it comes next Friday.

[Newzchspy]

The more I listen to it, the more I like it and the more the entire song comes together. It all fits and nothing should be edited from the song, despite what the haters think.

Just so we're clear, if someone doesn't like a song they're labeled a hater? Cancel culture much? Hmm, We must be the most hateful people ever because there's many that liked very little about it. Music is not a sport nor a race. It's a preference. This song will never see the light of day, just like many on 24k. Street Angel and Say You Will had a better chance at success.

[Newzchspy]

I think it will have a chart number on the Hot 100. The data's not out yet I think it comes next Friday.
Only because someone is out looking for Ocean Spray and Dreams. Otherwise, it'll never chart. Goose egg Stevie.

It really doesn't have a chorus, nor a bridge . So what is it? A stream of consciousness rendition of Stevie's poetry?

[HomerMcvie]

What do that sales of an unreleased Lindsey Buckingham album have to do with this song being a dud.. You admitted yourself that it was so subpar that you weren't even going to pay a couple bucks to download it.:laugh:

But Mitzo loves numbers!!!


$tevie is the most popular member. You guys know that, right? $TEVIE IS THE MOST POPULAR!!!! THAT MEANS $HE'S THE BEST!!!!!!

[mitzo]

But Mitzo loves numbers!!!


$tevie is the most popular member. You guys know that, right? $TEVIE IS THE MOST POPULAR!!!! THAT MEANS $HE'S THE BEST!!!!!!

Lindsey fans ignore numbers. They have to.

[UnwindedDreams]

Lindsey fans ignore numbers. They have to.

Not all Lindsey fans. You sound like you desire rivalry and battles between fans.

Did you know there are persons who are fans of both Stevie and Lindsey?

[StevieandChris]

Lindsey fans ignore numbers. They have to.

Exactly. Among other things they ignore about him.

[UnwindedDreams]

Did Show Them The Way not chart on the Hot 100?

I'm surprised because I thought people would've found out about her solo career from the Dreams resurge, but maybe instead of researching her they moved toward Fleetwood Mac instead.

[Jondalar]

Did Show Them The Way not chart on the Hot 100?

I'm surprised because I thought people would've found out about her solo career from the Dreams resurge, but maybe instead of researching her they moved toward Fleetwood Mac instead.

No airplay. No charting.

[UnwindedDreams]

She's on CBS tomorrow for a new interview. Maybe she's got some new music announcement?
https://www.facebook.com/CBSSundayMorning/videos/286059695809821

Also chameleon is not a great way to describe Gaga and Madonna, not very feminist.

It's evolution and reinvention. Sometimes she's stuck in the past too much!

[tothegypsy]

Also chameleon is not a great way to describe Gaga and Madonna, not very feminist.

It's evolution and reinvention. Sometimes she's stuck in the past too much!


I didn't take it that way. There are pop stars who have the talent of being able to look like completely different people from one music video to the next, and she just always looks like Stevie.

[UnwindedDreams]

I didn't take it that way. There are pop stars who have the talent of being able to look like completely different people from one music video to the next, and she just always looks like Stevie.

I don't see how Gaga in Chromatica looks completely different than Joanne era other than a costume, including colorful hair.

I saw it as rivalry. You said talent, kudos to you! She didn't.

[soul_drifter333]

Did Show Them The Way not chart on the Hot 100?

I'm surprised because I thought people would've found out about her solo career from the Dreams resurge, but maybe instead of researching her they moved toward Fleetwood Mac instead.

Big difference between the classic Dreams and Show Them The Way. What makes Dreams so great is it a total band collaboration. Every band member adds their special talents to make Dreams great. Much like Gypsy.

[michelej1]

Did Show Them The Way not chart on the Hot 100?

I'm surprised because I thought people would've found out about her solo career from the Dreams resurge, but maybe instead of researching her they moved toward Fleetwood Mac instead.

You know how people are. They not only moved to Fleetwood Mac but they moved to Rumours. Just Rumours. That will probably be as retro cool as they want to go. They won’t look at the rest of the catalog. Very few will explore. And they don’t want new stuff from these old people, not even if it’s good. Ricky Nelson’s garden party.

[johnnystorms]

She's on CBS tomorrow for a new interview. Maybe she's got some new music announcement?
https://www.facebook.com/CBSSundayMorning/videos/286059695809821

Also chameleon is not a great way to describe Gaga and Madonna, not very feminist.

It's evolution and reinvention. Sometimes she's stuck in the past too much!

Why even say that?? Madonna has been described in the press for decades as a 'chameleon'. It's neither feminist nor anti feminist. It means changing appearance, which Madonna was famous for.

[UnwindedDreams]

Why even say that?? Madonna has been described in the press for decades as a 'chameleon'. It's neither feminist nor anti feminist. It means changing appearance, which Madonna was famous for.

"Why even say that?" Because it's what I got from the clip. Her tone, her expression also augmented that for me.

If the press says it, doesn't mean it's respectful. The press also said Madonna was too old to do things. I don't agree with that. Chameleon doesn't sound like a respectful or term of endearment. That's why I said reinvent and evolve.

Also, you don't have to be angry because of that. The world won't end because people have critiques of Stevie. You don't have to aggressively respond with your nightstick swinging, Officer.

[On Ice]

Yesterday afternoon I removed all distractions and playing the tune on my Sonos Max. Today, I'm reflecting what is memorable about the song- a sign of a good song that can resonate and be memorable. I've concluded that my first impression stands on the production- it's really good and the music while it may be trendy in terms of production, holds my attention. The voice- I think even with diminished range, Stevie can still sing when she wants to and at the beginning, and the end, she does just that. But the problem with the song as many have said, is that the stream of consciousness lyrical style doesn't work when your goal is to send a message. The song desperately needs to be around 3:30 with a powerful bridge to link the great beginning and the stellar end of the track. If she could not come up with a new bridge then mine the vault for the many buried in there.

Despite the song's strengths it fails on the lyrics, especially the cringe worthy jump into the dress and the benefits in the Hamptons- that should not have seen the light of day.

So, what I've concluded is that I'll put the song on, leave the room for about 3 minutes and come back in the hear the great ending.

[bwboy]

"Why even say that?" Because it's what I got from the clip. Her tone, her expression also augmented that for me.

Also, you don't have to be angry because of that. The world won't end because people have critiques of Stevie. You don't have to aggressively respond with your nightstick swinging, Officer.

I read and re-read Johnnystorm's post a couple of times and detected no anger at all. I mean, what in his post made you respond with imagery of nightsticks swinging? And you say his post was aggressive?

Just to be clear, I'm not angry as I write this. Confused, maybe, but definitely not angry or aggressive.

[UnwindedDreams]

^ The asking of - Why even say that - with two question marks to accentuate the question

The member could've said "I disagree with that." or "What made you believe that?"

The reply was intimidating.

[michelej1]

I take chameleon as a compliment.

[SortaSavageLike]

I'm more of a fan of the original version by Peter Frampton myself.

[David]

I take chameleon as a compliment.

I always did, too: https://youtu.be/zanuDA5cuDc?t=196

[johnnystorms]

"Why even say that?" Because it's what I got from the clip. Her tone, her expression also augmented that for me.

If the press says it, doesn't mean it's respectful. The press also said Madonna was too old to do things. I don't agree with that. Chameleon doesn't sound like a respectful or term of endearment. That's why I said reinvent and evolve.

Also, you don't have to be angry because of that. The world won't end because people have critiques of Stevie. You don't have to aggressively respond with your nightstick swinging, Officer.

Not angry, nor am i worried of the Apocalypse because Stevie was criticized. I see nothing sexist about a woman being described as a chameleon.

[johnnystorms]

"Why even say that?" Because it's what I got from the clip. Her tone, her expression also augmented that for me.

If the press says it, doesn't mean it's respectful. The press also said Madonna was too old to do things. I don't agree with that. Chameleon doesn't sound like a respectful or term of endearment. That's why I said reinvent and evolve.

Also, you don't have to be angry because of that. The world won't end because people have critiques of Stevie. You don't have to aggressively respond with your nightstick swinging, Officer.

Your response re "nightstick swinging" seems the default position these days. Accuse the person challenging your opinion of violent intent. So. Sad.

[UnwindedDreams]

Your response re "nightstick swinging" seems the default position these days. Accuse the person challenging your opinion of violent intent. So. Sad.
You don't think you could've asked this question "Why even say that??" in a polite way? Like Why do you think that instead?

Also, I didn't say striking with the nightstick, I said swinging which is what officers did while patrolling, they'd swing it by the strap while walking.

[TrueFaith77]

My friend reviewed the Stevie video for National Review.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/stevie-nicks-bruce-springtsteen-partisan-self-loving-lectures/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[sarafield]

No, it's pretty cringeworthy. No one needs to imagine you in your dressing room with the rug and the dress and the martini when they are getting lost in a song about civil rights and unity and prayer.

It's like when she said she was in lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria during 9/11.

She's at her best when she keeps it abstract. She has said Mick's car was the great dark wing in Sara. "And Mick pulled up to my driveway in his black Italian automobile within the wings of a storm" wouldn't have the same effect.

So I'm back to the velvet underground > Persian rug

I love Stevie's old stuff. This is just... no. :shrug:

[ricohv]

My friend reviewed the Stevie video for National Review.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/stevie-nicks-bruce-springtsteen-partisan-self-loving-lectures/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
This is really an intelligent review that seems spot-on. Thanks for sharing!

[jbrownsjr]

"Show Them the Way and Letter to You are works of self-pity and self-mythologizing, as in Nicks’s unctuous refrain “The dream is not over / The dream has just begun.” These songs and videos are not made by leaders but by celebrities who won’t get out of our way."

Wow, tell us how you really feel.

[sarafield]

"Show Them the Way and Letter to You are works of self-pity and self-mythologizing, as in Nicks’s unctuous refrain “The dream is not over / The dream has just begun.” These songs and videos are not made by leaders but by celebrities who won’t get out of our way."

Wow, tell us how you really feel.

:lol:

Also, please tell us how celebrities, citizens, or anyone, for that matter, have stopped them from doing anything they have wanted to do in recent history.

[TrueFaith77]

:lol:

Also, please tell us how celebrities, citizens, or anyone, for that matter, have stopped them from doing anything they have wanted to do in recent history.

I mean, doesn’t everyone feel that way during covidpocalypse?

[On Ice]

Wow that review! I do really like Springsteen's album its good- especially the early 70's tracks- coincidence? Some good points were made- although the dream reference lyrics are from 1982 :lol:

[bombaysaffires]

It should be noted that the National Review is a pillar of Conservative/Republican politics, and as such inherently hates on anyone who identifies as an Obama supporter/Democrat/liberal. So their sense that Springsteen and Nicks are not Trump supporters and indeed encourage people to vote Biden permeates the entire review.

Stevie's song is still cringeworthy (haven't listened to Springsteen's new album) but the criticisms in this article don't even touch on the music or the piece as a song, but instead bash the perceived and/or stated political positions of the performers.

[mitzo]

Show them the Way has almost a million views on YouTube.

[BombaySapphire3]

Show them the Way has almost a million views on YouTube.

But you have already admitted that the song itself is an unlistenable dud:wavey:

[UnwindedDreams]

But you have already admitted that the song itself is an unlistenable dud:wavey:

And it didn't chart on the Hot 100. AC/DC's new song has 16 million views.

They watch the viewer count on Youtube and crawl out of the woodwork to applaud Stephanie.

[HomerMcvie]

They watch the viewer count on Youtube and crawl out of the woodwork to applaud Stephanie.

You hit that nail right on the head!

$he could eat 50 White Castles and drink a 12 pack of Budweiser, and they'd tell how great her farts smelled. Not joking.

[Jondalar]

You hit that nail right on the head!

$he could eat 50 White Castles and a 12 pack of Budweiser, and they'd tell how great her farts smelled. Not joking.

I feel that Stevie put all her might into these new releases and did tons of press and couldn’t even get her new releases to chart on Billboard. To me this means her career is over. She couldn’t even chart in the top 200. That’s awful. She won’t do another album. She is not stupid.

One has to wonder if now she is starting to realize how much she ticked off true fans. She ruined Fleetwood Mac and she embraced Hollywood by trying to capitalize on her abortion and political views. Get woke, go broke. It’s all backfired now. She comes off as a fake has-been.

[HomerMcvie]

I feel that Stevie put all her might into these new releases and did tons of press and couldn’t even get her new releases to chart on Billboard. To me this means her career is over. She couldn’t even chart in the top 200. That’s awful. She won’t do another album. She is not stupid.

One has to wonder if now she is starting to realize how much she ticked off true fans. She ruined Fleetwood Mac and she embraced Hollywood by trying to capitalize on her abortion and political views. Get woke, go broke. It’s all backfired now. She comes off as a fake has-been.

All of their careers are over as top selling artists. The Dance was their swan song of being on top. They're all legacy acts now. Lemme play you some songs from 45 years ago. "BTW, these are my last youthful years".:D (BOTH of my grandmas died younger than "youthful" $tevie)

Even if in the back of her mind, $he knows how much $he f*cked up by firing him, $he blocks it out. And with Karen and $tevie's PAID friends telling her how wonderful $he is, every minute of the day, it's fairly easy to block out(I would assume).

$he IS a fake has-been.

[mitzo]

I feel that Stevie put all her might into these new releases and did tons of press and couldn’t even get her new releases to chart on Billboard. To me this means her career is over. She couldn’t even chart in the top 200. That’s awful. She won’t do another album. She is not stupid.

One has to wonder if now she is starting to realize how much she ticked off true fans. She ruined Fleetwood Mac and she embraced Hollywood by trying to capitalize on her abortion and political views. Get woke, go broke. It’s all backfired now. She comes off as a fake has-been.

I really don't think the firing matters much to most people, although the political muck might. None of the Mac members are anything more than has-beens, Stevie just happens to be the one with fans. And as a band they have been an oldies road show for over twenty years.

[UnwindedDreams]

And as a band they have been an oldies road show for over twenty years.

Say You Will Tour and Live 2013/Rumours 35 Tour featured new songs.

Is Bon Jovi an oldies road show too because they do a few new songs and a lot of old songs?

[UnwindedDreams]

You hit that nail right on the head!

$he could eat 50 White Castles and drink a 12 pack of Budweiser, and they'd tell how great her farts smelled. Not joking.

Happy Birthday. Btw, Stevie is allergic to gluten so no "murder burgers" as we call them in Manhattan!

[HomerMcvie]

Happy Birthday. Btw, Stevie is allergic to gluten so no "murder burgers" as we call them in Manhattan!
Thank you.

I had no idea $he was allergic to gluten. You must read the fine print!

[UnwindedDreams]

I want to say hello to Karen, Sheryl, and Mary. Guess they're reading The Ledge because Show Them the Way is getting a lyric video this afternoon on Youtube.

I'm sure it'll reach two million views today.

[goldustsongbird]

This place never changes, never stops. :laugh:

I don't fault her for "suddenly" becoming political. I don't consider it a turnabout or bid for popularity--FM did endorse Clinton, after all. COVID has forced people to pay attention and speak up even if they had the luxury of ignoring politics until now. As sheltered from it as she is, I think Stevie does pay attention to the world around her and is probably more politically-minded than she has previously let on.

I don't hate it, but I'm not likely to listen to it again. I'm waiting for her to do something with those skates she was lacing up!

[mitzo]

This place never changes, never stops. :laugh:

I don't fault her for "suddenly" becoming political. I don't consider it a turnabout or bid for popularity--FM did endorse Clinton, after all. COVID has forced people to pay attention and speak up even if they had the luxury of ignoring politics until now. As sheltered from it as she is, I think Stevie does pay attention to the world around her and is probably more politically-minded than she has previously let on.

I don't hate it, but I'm not likely to listen to it again. I'm waiting for her to do something with those skates she was lacing up!

Plus Linds has been self-indulgently embarrassingly political for ages and doesn't get trashed for it.

[goldustsongbird]

Plus Linds has been self-indulgently embarrassingly political for ages and doesn't get trashed for it.

Has he? I honestly haven't noticed. For years, I was under the impression that Stevie was a (moderate) Republican, even though that didn't seem to align with her public profile. I didn't give it a lot of thought until she started talking about Hillary and Michelle. I wasn't too political myself when I was super into FM (ah, good old teenage years), so even if she had come right out and said it then, I would've been like, "Ok, whatever that means," lol. Being Canadian, Democrat and Republican weren't terms that I was overly familiar with.

I know now that both of her parents were Repubs, so it was probably something that I read years ago and filed away erroneously. Looking at her 9/11 journals now, it's pretty clear which side she was on!

"Please everyone, do not blame people for this just because they are Muslim or come from some other ethnic group. If you do, you let Osama Bin Laden win as surely as if you helped him put those planes through those towers. You - become him. He wins."

[SteveMacD]

FM did endorse Clinton, after all.

No they didn’t. He used their song. That was it. John McVie is a Republican and Christine isn’t a US citizen but has said she probably wouldn’t have voted for him.

[Nicks Fan]

No they didn’t. He used their song. That was it. John McVie is a Republican and Christine isn’t a US citizen but has said she probably wouldn’t have voted for him.

Plus SN said on Letterman that she thought he was too young to be president.

[goldustsongbird]

No they didn’t. He used their song. That was it. John McVie is a Republican and Christine isn’t a US citizen but has said she probably wouldn’t have voted for him.

But they didn't tell him not to use it, so that alone could be taken as tacit approval. That was a factor too, though: I thought, just because they seemed to support the party then, doesn't mean they would now. I didn't even think about the McVies in all of that. A bit silly of me, considering she wrote it. :D

[goldustsongbird]

Plus SN said on Letterman that she thought he was too young to be president.

Really? He was three years older than Kennedy, which I didn't know until just now when I googled it. Kennedy was only 43. The average age of past presidents at the time of their election was 60ish, so I guess she was basing her answer on that. It also kind of sounds like she was trying to say, diplomatically, that he was doing a ****e job. :lol:

God, I hadn't seen this in forever. They left the commercials in, too!

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[HomerMcvie]

But they didn't tell him not to use it, so that alone could be taken as tacit approval. That was a factor too, though: I thought, just because they seemed to support the party then, doesn't mean they would now. I didn't even think about the McVies in all of that. A bit silly of me, considering she wrote it. :D

Not necessarily so. Some people are just attention whores. You could ride their Mama, as long as they were getting attention.

Have you ever heard of Stevie Nicks?

[SteveMacD]

But they didn't tell him not to use it, so that alone could be taken as tacit approval. That was a factor too, though: I thought, just because they seemed to support the party then, doesn't mean they would now. I didn't even think about the McVies in all of that. A bit silly of me, considering she wrote it. :D

It’s not like they had a career retrospective box set that was about to be released and could have used the publicity, since a tour was out of the question.

[goldustsongbird]

It’s not like they had a career retrospective box set that was about to be released and could have used the publicity, since a tour was out of the question.

:lol: I was too heavy on the backspace bar and left out the part where I said that they had been known to do things for the money before.

[goldustsongbird]

Not necessarily so. Some people are just attention whores. You could ride their Mama, as long as they were getting attention.

Have you ever heard of Stevie Nicks?

The Fleetwood Mac guy?

[HomerMcvie]

The Fleetwood Mac guy?

Yes, him. That narcissistic guy.

[goldustsongbird]

Yes, him. That narcissistic guy.

As a member of a band that has not seen one day pass without some form of drama in it, I'd say he was in good company. :lol:

I don't mind calling Stevie on her ridiculousness, but I don't think she's jumping on the bandwagon. I think she's just reached the point where she's comfortable with being open about her views. She tested the waters and found them welcoming, so now she's going all in. If she didn't broach the subject or danced around it, we'd all be like, "Oh, look at her in her sheltered little fairy world. Karen hasn't turned the news on for her since 2015!"

Relating everything to herself is nothing new. She's famously self-referential, has been for years.

This was also mostly written in 2008, right? So, not entirely new. I dunno. It's not even close to being a good song. It's definitely not one that she'll be remembered for. Maybe that's why I'm not too bothered by it. It's forgettable. I wish she had written something new rather than pulling some meandering crap out of the vault. She probably could have come up with something better, shorter, and more effective.

[Feather Blade]

Plus Linds has been self-indulgently embarrassingly political for ages and doesn't get trashed for it.

Someone who watched his live streaming concert said the show website indicated all proceeds were earmarked for the ACLU.

[UnwindedDreams]

Miley's album debuted at #2 on Billboard. Does anyone know if any stores carry Edge of Midnight (Midnight Sky Remix) on the Plastic Hearts cd?

I'm really surprised that song didn't make the Hot 100. I guess you can't top Bangerz!