Jenny Boyd talks forgiving Stevie Nicks

[Villavic]

I think this belongs to this forum, since the Stevie episode was during the Rumours lineup days.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jenny-boyd-memoir-mick-fleetwood-stevie-nicks

[soul_drifter333]

Never understood why Bob Weston got the ax for having an affair with someone outside the group but it was OK for Mick and Stevie both in the group to do the same thing. Double standard. And we wonder why there were so many hurt feelings that exploded a few years ago. The whole band was/is highly dysfunctional.

[HomerMcvie]

Never understood why Bob Weston got the ax for having an affair with someone outside the group but it was OK for Mick and Stevie both in the group to do the same thing. Double standard. And we wonder why there were so many hurt feelings that exploded a few years ago. The whole band was/is highly dysfunctional.

Because Mick's a big old drama queen.

[bombaysaffires]

Never understood why Bob Weston got the ax for having an affair with someone outside the group but it was OK for Mick and Stevie both in the group to do the same thing. Double standard. And we wonder why there were so many hurt feelings that exploded a few years ago. The whole band was/is highly dysfunctional.

interestingly Carol talked about this in her book-- how there was this unspoken rule around the band that the band members themselves were never "responsible" (or held responsible) for anything that happened. Apparently when you are the goose laying the golden egg that brings everyone money and jobs etc no one will criticize you. This of course was true for the Rumours 5, seems maybe not for the band members before that.

[Villavic]

Never understood why Bob Weston got the ax for having an affair with someone outside the group but it was OK for Mick and Stevie both in the group to do the same thing. Double standard. And we wonder why there were so many hurt feelings that exploded a few years ago. The whole band was/is highly dysfunctional.

Come on.. it's so easy to understand. Stevie was not that replaceable at that moment.

[UnwindedDreams]

Fox "News" running a story of substance:rolleyes:

[jbrownsjr]

Who didn't Stevie or Mick have an affair with? Now that's a story!

[HomerMcvie]

Who didn't Stevie or Mick have an affair with? Now that's a story!

If $tevie's hoo hoo had an odometer, $he'd need one of the more modern ones installed, that registers when it turns over 100K miles.:lol:


Mick is so fugly, WHO would want to sleep with him?

[soul_drifter333]

Who didn't Stevie or Mick have an affair with? Now that's a story!

According to Mick he was unable to have affairs on the road. :rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

According to Mick he was unable to have affairs on the road. :rolleyes:

Maybe it's hard to get it up after doing a mountain of blow?:D

[SteveMacD]

Fox "News" running a story of substance:rolleyes:

Taku’s wife is an anchor at F”N”C.

Bill O’Reilly and HRC were both guests at the DC show a couple of years back.

[UnwindedDreams]

Taku’s wife is an anchor at F”N”C.

Bill O’Reilly and HRC were both guests at the DC show a couple of years back.
I think Stevie is actually traditionally conservative, which I don't care about. She slammed Madonna for kissing two women on tv so I don't think her LGBTQ views are progressive. Gaga, Cher, Bono, Madonna, Springsteen are vocally supportive of the LGBTQ community
I don't like FOX.

[SteveMacD]

I think Stevie is actually traditionally conservative, which I don't care about. She slammed Madonna for kissing two women on tv so I don't think her LGBTQ views are progressive. Gaga, Cher, Bono, Madonna, Springsteen are vocally supportive of the LGBTQ community
I don't like FOX.

I think the McVies are pretty conservative, but I think everyone else is left of center. However, that was as of a quarter century ago. I don’t know how they swing, now, especially in these strange times.

I don’t think Stevie dug Madonna’s sexuality being out in the open in general. Then again, I think Stevie considered Madonna a threat.

[michelej1]

If $tevie's hoo hoo had an odometer, $he'd need one of the more modern ones installed, that registers when it turns over 100K miles.:lol:


Mick is so fugly, WHO would want to sleep with him?

No one but ... I like his voice sometimes in interviews.

[UnwindedDreams]

I don’t think Stevie dug Madonna’s sexuality being out in the open in general. Then again, I think Stevie considered Madonna a threat.

Yet, Stevie loves Gaga. Maybe ageism lingering there.

[ViscountViktor]

I think Stevie is actually traditionally conservative, which I don't care about. She slammed Madonna for kissing two women on tv so I don't think her LGBTQ views are progressive. Gaga, Cher, Bono, Madonna, Springsteen are vocally supportive of the LGBTQ community
I don't like FOX.

Stevie's comments in the last decade have been very pro-LGBT so I don't think this is true anymore.

[UnwindedDreams]

Stevie's comments in the last decade have been very pro-LGBT so I don't think this is true anymore.
She said she can't say she's happy gay people like her music because she never looked at them as different. Do you have another quote?

It sounds nice but it's important to bolster the identities of the community and the fight that went into getting to where we are today, 51 years after Stonewall.

[ViscountViktor]

She said she can't say she's happy gay people like her music because she never looked at them as different. Do you have another quote?

It sounds nice but it's important to bolster the identities of the community and the fight that went into getting to where we are today, 51 years after Stonewall.

From the same interview

'I read about it and told my dad, ‘It’s a huge party thrown by fabulous gay men and women. They love my clothes and my fashion and my songs, and they all go to it and play my music and lip synch!’ And my dad was very conservative, but he said, ‘That is really great, honey!’

And in this interview https://pridesource.com/article/46793/

'because you know a lot of gays adore you.
I know. I’m glad.'

'Drag queens will be all about that, you know.
Yeah – I love it!'


That doesn't sound like a very conservative woman to me.

[HomerMcvie]

From the same interview

'I read about it and told my dad, ‘It’s a huge party thrown by fabulous gay men and women. They love my clothes and my fashion and my songs, and they all go to it and play my music and lip synch!’ And my dad was very conservative, but he said, ‘That is really great, honey!’

And in this interview https://pridesource.com/article/46793/

'because you know a lot of gays adore you.
I know. I’m glad.'

'Drag queens will be all about that, you know.
Yeah – I love it!'


That doesn't sound like a very conservative woman to me.
True or not, it's always better to know(and act accordingly) on which side your bread is buttered.

[Macfan4life]

Because Mick's a big old drama queen.
Where's the like button when I need it

[Macfan4life]

I think the McVies are pretty conservative, but I think everyone else is left of center. However, that was as of a quarter century ago. I don’t know how they swing, now, especially in these strange times.

I don’t think Stevie dug Madonna’s sexuality being out in the open in general. Then again, I think Stevie considered Madonna a threat.
Several months ago I was watching the old Dance rehearsal interviews. They spoke about the Bill Clinton inauguration. Chris was asked if she and the band would consider doing a song or concert for Tony Blair (UK Prime Minister at the time). Chris and John looked as if they saw a ghost. They both said no and they would never do anything for the Labor party. I found it funny because while Chris has made it known she would never have voted for Bill Clinton (said this during her 1995 online interview), she was honored he wanted to use the song. However, the same analogy could not be used for Tony Blair. Clearly the McVie's are staunch conservatives.

[Macfan4life]

From the same interview

'I read about it and told my dad, ‘It’s a huge party thrown by fabulous gay men and women. They love my clothes and my fashion and my songs, and they all go to it and play my music and lip synch!’ And my dad was very conservative, but he said, ‘That is really great, honey!’

And in this interview https://pridesource.com/article/46793/

'because you know a lot of gays adore you.
I know. I’m glad.'

'Drag queens will be all about that, you know.
Yeah – I love it!'


That doesn't sound like a very conservative woman to me.
No doubt Stevie is a progressive woman.


But maybe I am too old to remember history and when a Night of a 1000 Stevie's was only 3 years old and Stevie was asked about it. It sort of freaked her out and said it was "very scary." She did not embrace it like she does today. She could have had fun with it but shunned it in the beginning. Stevie like most everyone else has evolved on gays and drag queens. I was a bit thrown that Stevie dismissed the group at the beginning. C'mon now, it was not THAT long ago.

I would also add the MTV episode "Fanatic" when the lesbian confronts her about being thrown out of her house and she bought Stevie's music to get through life. Stevie was really cold and her eyes just bugged out. Hardly comforting.

I am not calling Stevie anti-gay or anti-drag. I just remember history.

[UnwindedDreams]

From the same interview

'I read about it and told my dad, ‘It’s a huge party thrown by fabulous gay men and women. They love my clothes and my fashion and my songs, and they all go to it and play my music and lip synch!’ And my dad was very conservative, but he said, ‘That is really great, honey!’

And in this interview https://pridesource.com/article/46793/

'because you know a lot of gays adore you.
I know. I’m glad.'

'Drag queens will be all about that, you know.
Yeah – I love it!'


That doesn't sound like a very conservative woman to me. You seem to be at bat for Stevie here so I don't want to offend you by having a view of Stevie's feelings about the LGBTQ community that is in contrast to yours, but the quotes you sent me could've been said by any artist. Saying a general statement like "I'm glad they adore me" or "Fabulous gay men and women lip synch my music" can be said by a conservative star (look at Schwarzenegger)
NOTS is an event celebrating her, attended by persons from all walks of life, because, when asked, she said she was happy that LGBTQ community members attend doesn't make her a fighter for the LGBTQ community like Cyndi Lauper, Grace Jones, or Bette Midler.

[HomerMcvie]

I am not calling Stevie anti-gay or anti-drag. I just remember history.

That's not how you're supposed to remember it!!!:p:p:p

As far as Night of 1000 $tevies, I'm not sure how I'd feel about Night of 1000 Davids...

I mean, they're honoring her, but also parodying her. Mocking her, if you will. YES, they're doing it out of admiration, but I can see how pics from it could take off and paint her in a bad light(if it were easier to post pics here, I have a couple doozies of $tevie imitators that I've saved over the years). How would YOU feel about a night of 1000 yous?

[SteveMacD]

NOTS is an event celebrating her, attended by persons from all walks of life, because, when asked, she said she was happy that LGBTQ community members attend doesn't make her a fighter for the LGBTQ community like Cyndi Lauper, Grace Jones, or Bette Midler.

Those are two different standards. Just because someone isn’t a fighter for the LGBTQ community doesn’t mean they’re anti-LGBTQ. Fleetwood Mac has generally been an apolitical band. I think Greenpeace was the only political issue they have publicly endorsed, even John.

Since Stevie isn’t a gay woman and likely not surrounded by gay women in her bubble, it’s probably an issue that’s generally not on her radar.

[UnwindedDreams]

Those are two different standards. Just because someone isn’t a fighter for the LGBTQ community doesn’t mean they’re anti-LGBTQ. Fleetwood Mac has generally been an apolitical band. I think Greenpeace was the only political issue they have publicly endorsed, even John.

Since Stevie isn’t a gay woman and likely not surrounded by gay women in her bubble, it’s probably an issue that’s generally not on her radar.

I didn't say she was anti-LGBTQ rights. Where did you get that from?

Not sure what you're contributing here, Liz Rosenberg.

[johnnystorms]

Those are two different standards. Just because someone isn’t a fighter for the LGBTQ community doesn’t mean they’re anti-LGBTQ. Fleetwood Mac has generally been an apolitical band. I think Greenpeace was the only political issue they have publicly endorsed, even John.

Since Stevie isn’t a gay woman and likely not surrounded by gay women in her bubble, it’s probably an issue that’s generally not on her radar.

Thank you for getting to the gist of the discussion!!

[Macfan4life]

That's not how you're supposed to remember it!!!:p:p:p

As far as Night of 1000 $tevies, I'm not sure how I'd feel about Night of 1000 Davids...

I mean, they're honoring her, but also parodying her. Mocking her, if you will. YES, they're doing it out of admiration, but I can see how pics from it could take off and paint her in a bad light(if it were easier to post pics here, I have a couple doozies of $tevie imitators that I've saved over the years). How would YOU feel about a night of 1000 yous?
So this is your pro-Stevie comment for the year?

The event is a celebration of Stevie Nicks. Yes part is comedy but its all fans celebrating and performing her music. NOTHING to have fear of. Why she could not see this right away is beyond me. A bunch of guys and gals dress up as Stevie Nicks and have a good time while singing and dancing. No fear Homer. No fear.
She embraces it today and jokes that someday she may attend. That was my point. She has evolved over the years like so many other people about drag and gay guys pretending to be her. IMHO none of the event portrays her in a bad light. Its all in good fun and worship of Stevie Nicks. Get on board Homer!

A night of a 1000 Homers is a great idea :)

[jbrownsjr]

Look, I'm no $tevie fan. There are enough horrible qualities about her to discuss. But, I'm gay and I've never felt she was pro or anti gay.

As far as 1000 Stevie's. It is a little creepy. Can you imagine 1000's of people dressing up and acting like you from all over the world? I guess it goes with the territory of being a superstar.

[HomerMcvie]

So this is your pro-Stevie comment for the year?

The event is a celebration of Stevie Nicks. Yes part is comedy but its all fans celebrating and performing her music. NOTHING to have fear of. Why she could not see this right away is beyond me. A bunch of guys and gals dress up as Stevie Nicks and have a good time while singing and dancing. No fear Homer. No fear.
She embraces it today and jokes that someday she may attend. That was my point. She has evolved over the years like so many other people about drag and gay guys pretending to be her. IMHO none of the event portrays her in a bad light. Its all in good fun and worship of Stevie Nicks. Get on board Homer!

A night of a 1000 Homers is a great idea :)
I need credit, and it logged that it happened.

I only fear her mindless drones, that follow her like like $he's something special. Following a minimally talented, crazy persona $he invented 45 years ago. I guess there's no accounting for taste.... :lol::lol::lol:
(does that make up for my nice comment?)

Night of 1000 Homers... Group of "concrete" thinking guys who don't live in an artsy fartsy fantasy world, who sit around drinking beer and whiskey after work, listening to classic country music? Okay, I'm down with that. Sounds like a blast! :wavey::wavey::wavey:

[SteveMacD]

I didn't say she was anti-LGBTQ rights. Where did you get that from?

Where did I say “anti-LGBTQ RIGHTS?”

I just said anti-LGBTQ, nothing about rights.

[UnwindedDreams]

Where did I say “anti-LGBTQ RIGHTS?”

I just said anti-LGBTQ, nothing about rights.

I don't refer to millions of lives as "LGBTQ" as you do in a Trumpian breath; I say "LGBTQ community"
When you say "anti-LGBTQ" I give you the benefit of the doubt you meant to say "anti-LGBTQ community"

[UnwindedDreams]

But, I'm gay and I've never felt she was pro or anti gay.

I feel she's accepting of people loving whom they wish to; I commend her.
I feel that she being an international superstar and a person of privilege, has a responsibility to speak truth and speak up when evil is done to targeted communities.
It's great she talked about wearing masks & staying in, and "our poisonous president" but what else does she have to say? It's beautiful she shares her journal on every September 11 and Memorial Day. Where was the post for the torture and murder of George Floyd? Where was the honoring of Pride Month? We got a post about a dove. Vanessa Carlton's album. An eye exam.
The Stones spoke up, Sheryl Crow did, Streisand did, Tony Bennett did.
I wish she'd watch CNN Tonight with Don Lemon. That might get her on social more.

[ViscountViktor]

You seem to be at bat for Stevie here so I don't want to offend you by having a view of Stevie's feelings about the LGBTQ community that is in contrast to yours, but the quotes you sent me could've been said by any artist. Saying a general statement like "I'm glad they adore me" or "Fabulous gay men and women lip synch my music" can be said by a conservative star (look at Schwarzenegger)
NOTS is an event celebrating her, attended by persons from all walks of life, because, when asked, she said she was happy that LGBTQ community members attend doesn't make her a fighter for the LGBTQ community like Cyndi Lauper, Grace Jones, or Bette Midler.

I'm not batting for Stevie, I'm stating my opinion.

You said she is 'traditionally conservative.' That may be true of the past, but not many traditionally conservative people embrace a drag event celebrating their life. Or maybe I just haven't met them.

You're right, she hasn't 'fought' for LGBT rights like, say, Madonna has. But that doesn't make her anti them.

[ViscountViktor]

I feel she's accepting of people loving whom they wish to; I commend her.
I feel that she being an international superstar and a person of privilege, has a responsibility to speak truth and speak up when evil is done to targeted communities.
It's great she talked about wearing masks & staying in, and "our poisonous president" but what else does she have to say? It's beautiful she shares her journal on every September 11 and Memorial Day. Where was the post for the torture and murder of George Floyd? Where was the honoring of Pride Month? We got a post about a dove. Vanessa Carlton's album. An eye exam.
The Stones spoke up, Sheryl Crow did, Streisand did, Tony Bennett did.
I wish she'd watch CNN Tonight with Don Lemon. That might get her on social more.

Sorry, but I don't think it's Stevie Nicks' responsibility to offer a running commentary on every controversial event in the country. She is a popstar. If anything, normal people turn away from an issue when the greater good start preaching.

[louielouie2000]

Sorry, but I don't think it's Stevie Nicks' responsibility to offer a running commentary on every controversial event in the country. She is a popstar. If anything, normal people turn away from an issue when the greater good start preaching.

This. I remember during the promotion of Say You Will Stevie ducked every question placed to the band on Peacekeeper: was it about the war in Iraq? What is the band’s stance on the war? Stevie was repeatedly adamant that Fleetwood Mac was not a political band. She was just being smart... no matter what side of history her opinions may fall on, she’s very aware that sharing them might alienate half of your fanbase.

For what it’s worth, I really don’t care what any celebrity thinks about hot-button issues. I think this stems from my experiences growing up as a gay kid who was also a rabid enthusiast of the DeLorean automobile. I read John DeLorean’s autobiography as a teen, and was pretty stung by the anti-gay comments in his book. However, I snapped out of that pretty quickly. I don’t care if John DeLorean didn’t care for gays, I still loved his car anyway. In fact, I felt kinda like my owning a DeLorean car as a gay man was thumbing my nose at his views, and I dug that.

That being said, I do understand not wanting to give someone money and fame if they are vocally contrary to your beliefs. But Stevie has never been anti-gay, ever. For those saying she’s conservative, you can look up online where she has repeatedly given campaign contributions to democratic candidates. She may not be a vocal advocate for causes like Madonna or a Gaga... but that’s also not who she is. Her whole shtick has been airy-fairy escapism. People are drawn to her mystical style to escape their ****ty existences. Stevie involving herself in social and political issues would just burst that bubble. Kinda like Queen Elizabeth... if she lets her opinions be known, if she lets the media & public in too close, it kills the whole mystical facade of royalty and exceptionalism.

And as a final point... I’m still pissed at Stevie for firing Lindsey and killing Fleetwood Mac. But I haven’t stop listening to the band’s music! I am able to keep my disdain for her separate from my love of her work within Fleetwood Mac. I won’t let her kill that love.

[Feather Blade]

Sorry, but I don't think it's Stevie Nicks' responsibility to offer a running commentary on every controversial event in the country. She is a popstar. If anything, normal people turn away from an issue when the greater good start preaching.

Amen! I can't stand it when a celebrity thinks we are supposed to be interested in them telling us how to feel about one thing or another simply because they happen to be famous.

[Feather Blade]

I think this belongs to this forum, since the Stevie episode was during the Rumours lineup days.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jenny-boyd-memoir-mick-fleetwood-stevie-nicks

This is one of those articles with links to other articles and I slipped down quite a rabbit hole for a while there reading some interesting pieces about Rod Serling, Veronica Lake, Elvis, Anna May Wong, Charlton Heston etc. Thanks for sharing.

[Macfan4life]

Look, I'm no $tevie fan. There are enough horrible qualities about her to discuss. But, I'm gay and I've never felt she was pro or anti gay.

As far as 1000 Stevie's. It is a little creepy. Can you imagine 1000's of people dressing up and acting like you from all over the world? I guess it goes with the territory of being a superstar.
Really?
I find it anything BUT creepy. Its idol worship to the extreme. There have always been women dressing up at Stevie at concerts. Why not men too? ALL of them are paying tribute to Stevie which really demonstrates her passion from her fans. I find them all extremely talented especially the Ho Ho's. Many of them can really sing and perform. And btw, (Homer), nothing wrong in paying tribute to all eras of Steviedom including the drugged out years. I love it when the Ho Ho's have both the good Stevie and bad Stevie on stage at the same time. For comedy to work, there has to be a bit of truth for a sketch to work and it worked brilliantly. Do you think SNL's Stevie's fajita restaurant was creepy? Of course not, it was done in good fun.

C'mon people. The world is falling apart. We need more comedy. Her fans are so devoted and I appreciate their work.

[HomerMcvie]

Amen! I can't stand it when a celebrity thinks we are supposed to be interested in them telling us how to feel about one thing or another simply because they happen to be famous.

I agree completely. Many oftentimes aren't that smart anyway. Just because they're in a position of power doesn't make their opinion worth two sh*ts.

[HomerMcvie]

Really?
I find it anything BUT creepy. Its idol worship to the extreme. There have always been women dressing up at Stevie at concerts. Why not men too? ALL of them are paying tribute to Stevie which really demonstrates her passion from her fans. I find them all extremely talented especially the Ho Ho's. Many of them can really sing and perform. And btw, (Homer), nothing wrong in paying tribute to all eras of Steviedom including the drugged out years. I love it when the Ho Ho's have both the good Stevie and bad Stevie on stage at the same time. For comedy to work, there has to be a bit of truth for a sketch to work and it worked brilliantly. Do you think SNL's Stevie's fajita restaurant was creepy? Of course not, it was done in good fun.

C'mon people. The world is falling apart. We need more comedy. Her fans are so devoted and I appreciate their work.

Well, MY point was whether or not $HE appreciated it. I'll bet $he doesn't, at least if it's anything that's not flattering.

I'd LOVE to go as fat, drugged out $tevie. Curlers in my hair, and coke dust clinging to my nose holes!:lol::lol::lol:

[SteveMacD]

I don't refer to millions of lives as "LGBTQ" as you do in a Trumpian breath; I say "LGBTQ community"
When you say "anti-LGBTQ" I give you the benefit of the doubt you meant to say "anti-LGBTQ community"

Good for you.

However, I wasn’t talking about the LGBTQ COMMUNITY, either. That’s not the debate.

You know, you might have a better chance of making your point if you quit resorting to name calling (Karen, Trumpian), strawmen arguments, and red herrings.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

[UnwindedDreams]

Good for you.

However, I wasn’t talking about the LGBTQ COMMUNITY, either. That’s not the debate.

You know, you might have a better chance of making your point if you quit resorting to name calling (Karen, Trumpian), strawmen arguments, and red herrings.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?
I saw you call someone an "obtuse pain in the ass" Was that not name calling?

I didn't say Karen Johnston, I said Liz Rosenberg, who's a publicist.

[ViscountViktor]

This. I remember during the promotion of Say You Will Stevie ducked every question placed to the band on Peacekeeper: was it about the war in Iraq? What is the band’s stance on the war? Stevie was repeatedly adamant that Fleetwood Mac was not a political band. She was just being smart... no matter what side of history her opinions may fall on, she’s very aware that sharing them might alienate half of your fanbase.

For what it’s worth, I really don’t care what any celebrity thinks about hot-button issues. I think this stems from my experiences growing up as a gay kid who was also a rabid enthusiast of the DeLorean automobile. I read John DeLorean’s autobiography as a teen, and was pretty stung by the anti-gay comments in his book. However, I snapped out of that pretty quickly. I don’t care if John DeLorean didn’t care for gays, I still loved his car anyway. In fact, I felt kinda like my owning a DeLorean car as a gay man was thumbing my nose at his views, and I dug that.

That being said, I do understand not wanting to give someone money and fame if they are vocally contrary to your beliefs. But Stevie has never been anti-gay, ever. For those saying she’s conservative, you can look up online where she has repeatedly given campaign contributions to democratic candidates. She may not be a vocal advocate for causes like Madonna or a Gaga... but that’s also not who she is. Her whole shtick has been airy-fairy escapism. People are drawn to her mystical style to escape their ****ty existences. Stevie involving herself in social and political issues would just burst that bubble. Kinda like Queen Elizabeth... if she lets her opinions be known, if she lets the media & public in too close, it kills the whole mystical facade of royalty and exceptionalism.

And as a final point... I’m still pissed at Stevie for firing Lindsey and killing Fleetwood Mac. But I haven’t stop listening to the band’s music! I am able to keep my disdain for her separate from my love of her work within Fleetwood Mac. I won’t let her kill that love.

Exactly, it hardly fits with Stevie's 'flowing through life in touch with the spirit world' thing to start signing petitions and going on marches. But that doesn't mean she's a die hard Republican either.

Oh same. I have to separate my sadness at her recent actions in destroying Fleetwood Mac, with my love for her music.

[soul_drifter333]

There doesn't seem to be enough argue about on this post, so I'll give my two cents. From Stevie's perspective, I doubt she even thinks of NOTS as a gay event. She probably see it as another means of her proving her status as "The Icon", which has caused her ego to get so big she no longer feels she needs some of the very people who helped her get to where she is today (and in the band she was originally not even intended to be a part of).

Furthermore, I think the topic of homosexuality makes her nervous after her lesbian fans would very much like to believe she is gay/bi, especially since she surrounds herself mostly with other females. The VH1 Fans episode helped make that clear to her and her fans.

[HomerMcvie]

Furthermore, I think the topic of homosexuality makes her nervous after her lesbian fans would very much like to believe she is gay/bi, especially since she surrounds herself mostly with other females. The VH1 Fans episode helped make that clear to her and her fans.

It's hard to imagine anyone thinking $he's gay, especially once you've seen her.....list of notches on her headboard. I've wondered if that was part of her self worth...all these famous men wanting to sleep with her.
"Yep, I had em all! They all wanted me!"

[SteveMacD]

Conservatives, drag...

Just gonna leave this here...

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/bVy_fL5REQd05fvvKn6hFaC4ADY=/1200x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/YPHSRETN3UKCQWH6KLN3AJHACQ.jpg

[johnnystorms]

I saw you call someone an "obtuse pain in the ass" Was that not name calling?

I didn't say Karen Johnston, I said Liz Rosenberg, who's a publicist.

Liz Rosenberg is dead.

[jwd]

Concerning the topic at hand. In a situation like this where Mick has an affair with Stevie. I'd think it more imperative Jenny talks forgiving Mick. He was the one she was in the relationship with, not Stevie. Stevie needs to forgive herself, not Jenny.

[SteveMacD]

Concerning the topic at hand. In a situation like this where Mick has an affair with Stevie. I'd think it more imperative Jenny talks forgiving Mick. He was the one she was in the relationship with, not Stevie. Stevie needs to forgive herself, not Jenny.

And, it’s not like Jenny was especially clean in the affair department, with Weston and Andy Sylvester.

[jbrownsjr]

And, it’s not like Jenny was especially clean in the affair department, with Weston and Andy Sylvester.

Lot of forgiveness being thrown around. :laugh:

[jwd]

And, it’s not like Jenny was especially clean in the affair department, with Weston and Andy Sylvester.

Yeah exactly. She wasn't an angel herself. You'd think she'd understand. lol

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah exactly. She wasn't an angel herself. You'd think she'd understand. lol

I always imagined that it was fun living that life style until someone did it to you.

[jwd]

I always imagined that it was fun living that life style until someone did it to you.

Man, talk about playing with fire!! lol This boy never wants that kind of drama!
AT ALL!!! Then again, you throw in drugs, booze, and the problems of life, and so they say, it just kind of happens....

[michelej1]

Concerning the topic at hand. In a situation like this where Mick has an affair with Stevie. I'd think it more imperative Jenny talks forgiving Mick. He was the one she was in the relationship with, not Stevie. Stevie needs to forgive herself, not Jenny.

Agreed. Your spouse’s lover is not the problem in your marriage.