Neil Finn featuring Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie

[BLY]

This sounds really good. These three voices work well together. Where is Mick And John?

https://neilfinn.lnk.to/FindYourWay

[SteveMacD]

This was probably modern postal rock. Not being songwriters, Mick and John likely don’t have home recording equipment. Still, if there’s not another Fleetwood Mac album, at least we have an idea of where it might have gone.

I’d love to see a RSD release with this as the A side and Campbell’s “Lockdown” as the B side.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/HRcK3TiAS98

[UnwindedDreams]

It's a very light radio sounding tune.
There's also another vocalist from New Zealand singing background too.
I think Christine's vocals at the end are the song's best embellishment.

[jbrownsjr]

It's a very light radio sounding tune.
There's also another vocalist from New Zealand singing background too.
I think Christine's vocals at the end are the song's best embellishment.

I agree, Christine adds that little bit of magic to it(find your way). Reminds me of some of her Tusk backing vocals. I really like this.
Stevie sounds nasal, but not as bad as other songs.

[bombaysaffires]

Kinda bland but for a fundraising single not bad. Doesn't make me feel like I'm missing much by them all not doing an album together. :shrug:

Stevie's vocal sounds an awful lot like her vocal on Leann Rimes "Borrowed".

Christine gets short shrift.:distress:

I get that Stevie is the bigger pop star and recognized name so he wants to leverage that. But I feel like Chris is lost in the mix and her part at the end is so faint it's easy to miss. I mentioned it to a friend who listened to it with me and they were "What Chris part at the end?" and even when I played it again they had a hard time hearing it.

[FuzzyPlum]

Quite nice. Played it a few times without the visuals and it sounded okay.
Sounded better for some reason with the accompanying video (albeit its a fairly simple video).
Agree Christine adds something and should have played a more prominent role.

[SteveMacD]

Just saw that Mike Campbell is on this, too. I’m guessing he played slide guitar.

[cbBen]

Just saw that Mike Campbell is on this, too. I’m guessing he played slide guitar.

Where did you learn this?

[TrueFaith77]

It sounds like mick playing drums to me but I could be wrong

[SteveMacD]

Where did you learn this?
He said something about it on Facebook. Also, he’s listed in the credits in the YouTube video.

It sounds like mick playing drums to me but I could be wrong
It’s his son, Elroy Finn

[secondhandchain]

Boring and Stevie sounds like she’s got a wad of cotton stuffed up her nose… Just awful.

[BombaySapphire3]

Boring and Stevie sounds like she’s got a wad of cotton stuffed up her nose… Just awful.

The song itself is tolerable. Neil Finn is no slouch as a pop songwriter and it is for a good cause so I paid to download it. Stevie needs to retire .She can no longer sing and she is starting to remind me more and more of Baby Jane Hudson or Mae West in her dotage.

[tabruns]

This sounds really good. These three voices work well together. Where is Mick And John?

https://neilfinn.lnk.to/FindYourWay

Yeah I liked this a lot.

[bombaysaffires]

Boring and Stevie sounds like she’s got a wad of cotton stuffed up her nose… Just awful.

yeah she's said in interviews that a doctor told her he could put a mesh thing in her nose where the hole is to replace the missing cartilage, but that she told him "no I can't do that because what if it changes how I sound?" She might want to revisit that decision.

[sue]

Having just watched Normal People...(twice)..yes I’m sad, I know!
I found the lyrics of this song quite moving, but that’s maybe just my mood at the moment.
Stevie’s voice however..
If she would quieten down a little, sing less in your face sort of, she wouldn’t sound so strident and flat.
I think her voice coach has a lot to answer for....

[aleuzzi]

If Christine was helping out, why not give her a decent spotlight? Her contribution at the end is barely noticeable. Yet another frustration when it comes to getting any new music from her.

I’d like to know what the song that didn’t make LB/CM album sounds like. It was hers and she “had high hopes” for it. LB said “save it for next time” but there won’t likely be a next time and the song sits languishing in a can.

[Jondalar]

Stevie sounds awful. They need the vocal filter from Prove Me Wrong.

[mitzo]

This is a great listen and I think the voices work really well. As for Stevie, that is how she has sounded for many years now. The production and mix here help soften her a bit. I would gladly buy an album of this, a new FM album.

[Storms123]

If Christine was helping out, why not give her a decent spotlight? Her contribution at the end is barely noticeable. Yet another frustration when it comes to getting any new music from her.

I’d like to know what the song that didn’t make LB/CM album sounds like. It was hers and she “had high hopes” for it. LB said “save it for next time” but there won’t likely be a next time and the song sits languishing in a can.

A lot of songs sit "languishing in a can" with this group. Someone should just produce the can at this point.

[SteveMacD]

A lot of songs sit "languishing in a can" with this group. Someone should just produce the can at this point.

I’d love to hear Mike Campbell produce the forgotten Buckingham Nicks song “Forget About Me.”

https://youtu.be/3P3emYkPdhk

[TheWildHeart67]

This song is nice. Very pretty and it's a nice surprise hearing this. Stevie's vocal is very good here and Christine sounds great.

[secondhandchain]

Stevie’s voice however..
If she would quieten down a little, sing less in your face sort of, she wouldn’t sound so strident and flat.


Spot on: She needs to pull back her voice and soften it up. To nasal and in your face

[SteveMacD]

Stevie’s voice however..
If she would quieten down a little, sing less in your face sort of, she wouldn’t sound so strident and flat.


Spot on: She needs to pull back her voice and soften it up. To nasal and in your face
That’s been the case since like 1986.

[bombaysaffires]

I’d love to hear Mike Campbell produce the forgotten Buckingham Nicks song “Forget About Me.”

https://youtu.be/3P3emYkPdhk

I gotta say this song has always cracked me up. As much a fan of Stevie's lyrics as I usually am, this one really is a word salad. Guess she and Lindsey didn't have a Bob Dylan conversation over this one.

You call me up on the telephone, baby
You said you didn't want to talk to me
I ask you why and you said you'd tell me later
I guess you wanted to forget about me


First....the changing verb tenses thing. But, ok, Bob Dylan.
Then, just the logic of the whole story is wack. Why would someone call you on the phone to tell you they didn't want to talk to you? Wouldn't they have to talk to you on the phone to tell you they don't want to talk to you? Why wouldn't they just stop talking to you, period??
Then, you ask them why they don't want to talk to you, and they say they'll tell you later. What? If they don't want to talk to you, why would they plan to talk to you in the future.....to tell you why they don't want to talk to you...:shocked:
If they wanted to forget about you, and not talk to you, why would they talk to you later, which would mean they'd have to remember, not forget, you??

:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I gotta say this song has always cracked me up. As much a fan of Stevie's lyrics as I usually am, this one really is a word salad. Guess she and Lindsey didn't have a Bob Dylan conversation over this one.

You call me up on the telephone, baby
You said you didn't want to talk to me
I ask you why and you said you'd tell me later
I guess you wanted to forget about me


First....the changing verb tenses thing. But, ok, Bob Dylan.
Then, just the logic of the whole story is wack. Why would someone call you on the phone to tell you they didn't want to talk to you? Wouldn't they have to talk to you on the phone to tell you they don't want to talk to you? Why wouldn't they just stop talking to you, period??
Then, you ask them why they don't want to talk to you, and they say they'll tell you later. What? If they don't want to talk to you, why would they plan to talk to you in the future.....to tell you why they don't want to talk to you...:shocked:
If they wanted to forget about you, and not talk to you, why would they talk to you later, which would mean they'd have to remember, not forget, you??

:laugh:

Because squirrel turds.

Nuttier than.

Nuttier than squirrel turds.

That is all. :wavey:

[secondhandchain]

Christine is so buried in the mix in the back of the song. Do you want to know why? Her voice is SO gone and old ladyish (the choppers roll around in her mouth when she sings) that even studio tricks cannot hide it anymore.
Stevie's 2 note range has power, but sounds like someone stuffed all the missing toilet paper from the stores up her nose.
Even if LB came back I would not want them touring anymore. I'm not even sure if LB could pull off a studio recording where CM sounds passable. They really should sadly just retire, legacy badly damaged by the tambourine witch and the scarf $ man.

[BombaySapphire3]

They really should sadly just retire, legacy badly damaged by the tambourine witch and the scarf $ man.

I think that they are done. If and when this covid pandemic slows down enough to even allow for that final cash grab farewell tour they will be too old and decrepit to pull it off if they aren't already. As far as recording new music you can stick a fork in that one too.

[HomerMcvie]

Christine is so buried in the mix in the back of the song. Do you want to know why? Her voice is SO gone and old ladyish (the choppers roll around in her mouth when she sings) that even studio tricks cannot hide it anymore.
Stevie's 2 note range has power, but sounds like someone stuffed all the missing toilet paper from the stores up her nose.
Even if LB came back I would not want them touring anymore. I'm not even sure if LB could pull off a studio recording where CM sounds passable. They really should sadly just retire, legacy badly damaged by the tambourine witch and the scarf $ man.

I agree. None of them have much voice left. It's become embarrassing at this point. Backup singers can only cover up so much. It's time for them to hang it up.

[SteveMacD]

Granny Christine > No Christine

Wish came true with her return.

[jbrownsjr]

Granny Christine > No Christine

Wish came true with her return.

I agree. We got that BuckVie tour and she was on and off during that tour. I loved her in 2014 she was a little wobbly but not a disaster.
Her voice became much weaker in 2018. Stevie was also like nails on a chalk board in 2018. I had to cover my ears during Gypsy.

But, I got to see them and that was still a treat.

[HomerMcvie]

I agree. We got that BuckVie tour and she was on and off during that tour. I loved her in 2014 she was a little wobbly but not a disaster.
Her voice became much weaker in 2018. Stevie was also like nails on a chalk board in 2018. I had to cover my ears during Gypsy.

But, I got to see them and that was still a treat.

BuckVie was a dream come true. It could have only been better if Dick and John had played on tour.

A GREAT swan song for the band.:angel::angel::angel:

[jbrownsjr]

BuckVie was a dream come true. It could have only been better if Dick and John had played on tour.

A GREAT swan song for the band.:angel::angel::angel:

I did not miss $tevie at all. The show was sold out and while they really do have worn out tools to work with. the show was amazing. :blob2:

[HomerMcvie]

I did not miss $tevie at all. The show was sold out and while they really do have worn out tools to work with. the show was amazing. :blob2:

Me either! THAT'S why it was the perfect swan song! Great album, with no goat!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Me either! THAT'S why it was the perfect swan song! Great album, with no goat!!!

I just can't stand listening to that nasal flat voice for 2 hrs.

[Macfan4life]

BuckVie was a dream come true. It could have only been better if Dick and John had played on tour.

A GREAT swan song for the band.:angel::angel::angel:
Yes, besides that. They should have hired the "bad Stevie" from the Ho Hos to intermediately dance across the stage a few times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhmmwsJPLCo

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, besides that. They should have hired the "bad Stevie" from the Ho Hos to intermediately dance across the stage a few times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhmmwsJPLCo

OMFG. I've never heard of them before. I LOVE it!

I love the tribute band Rumours ATL(their Stevie sounds ten times better than $tevie - AND it's only about $10!!!!), but I'd almost rather see the Ho Ho's!

Stupid Dick dancing around the stage with his African talking drum. This sh*t is hilarious! THANKS!:xoxo:

[johnnystorms]

How sad to scour the internet to find ways to mock Stevie.

[HomerMcvie]

How sad to scour the internet to find ways to mock Stevie.

No scouring. Saturday Night Live was mocking her 20? years ago! The fact that some of are primarily fans of THE BAND, and not her specifically, shouldn't hurt your feelings. Accept it. Accept it with a sense of humor. $he's NOT a goddess. $he's an old woman with barely any voice left.

$he's become a caricature of herself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms

[tabruns]

How sad to scour the internet to find ways to mock Stevie.

Yeah, some people need to just let it go.

[jwd]

I just can't stand listening to that nasal flat voice for 2 hrs.

I really don't enjoy Stevie's recorded singing voice at all anymore. It's a blessing that she decided not to record with FM around the time of the BuckVie album. I'll gladly take that as my Rumours era FM swan song.

[button-lip]

Yeah, some people need to just let it go.

Like Stevie? Yeah, not gonna happen. :D

[button-lip]

$he's an old woman with barely any voice left.


… but still a lot of evilness in her black soul…. :nod:

[HomerMcvie]

… but still a lot of evilness in her black soul…. :nod:

So you think $he actually has a soul....

Intriguing...:lol:

[SteveMacD]

Like Stevie? Yeah, not gonna happen. :D

Why would you expect that from a woman who was all but married to the guy for seven years and had to deal with him, often acrimoniously, for over 40 years after they split? Stevie will never “let it go,” and it’s unfair, if not completely unrealistic, to expect otherwise from her. Sorry she can’t see him through the same fanboy lens as you.

[UnwindedDreams]

Why would you expect that from a woman who was all but married to the guy for seven years and had to deal with him, often acrimoniously, for over 40 years after they split? Stevie will never “let it go,” and it’s unfair, if not completely unrealistic, to expect otherwise from her. Sorry she can’t see him through the same fanboy lens as you.
I don't see how it was fair of her to say at the PGA Festival Show that Lindsey was a coward to not to call her to join Fritz. That's slander in front of 20,000 people. Why does she have to bring him up like that? It's like just mention Robert Aguirre and how nice Robert was.
She doesn't benefit from the masses by mentioning Lindsey. She might benefit if she says she loves Lady Gaga or Drake. Then People.com will publish a story on how she said she likes those artists.
She was sued in 2018 (as a party to the group Fleetwood Mac) and her attorney or band attorney had to settle with Lindsey. They felt his termination was justified but they effed up. The lawsuit & settlement got major press coverage. Even on my local news.
Better to not say anything at all about him. She could talk about Jimmy Iovine, Lori, Sharon, & all the other collaborators she loves.

[button-lip]

I don't see how it was fair of her to say at the PGA Festival Show that Lindsey was a coward to not to call her to join Fritz. That's slander in front of 20,000 people. Why does she have to bring him up like that? It's like just mention Robert Aguirre and how nice Robert was.
She doesn't benefit from the masses by mentioning Lindsey. She might benefit if she says she loves Lady Gaga or Drake. Then People.com will publish a story on how she said she likes those artists.
She was sued in 2018 (as a party to the group Fleetwood Mac) and her attorney or band attorney had to settle with Lindsey. They felt his termination was justified but they effed up. The lawsuit & settlement got major press coverage. Even on my local news.
Better to not say anything at all about him. She could talk about Jimmy Iovine, Lori, Sharon, & all the other collaborators she loves.

She should stop mentioning him. At all. But yet she keeps on talking on and on about him. Most of the time to slander him. Sometimes she starts complimenting him but then she can't help it and she ends up saying something nasty about him.

Because, you know, he was such a monster to her and she was nothing but a saint…. :angel: Yeah, talking about fanboy lens…. :p

[SteveMacD]

I don't see how it was fair of her to say at the PGA Festival Show that Lindsey was a coward to not to call her to join Fritz. That's slander in front of 20,000 people. Why does she have to bring him up like that? It's like just mention Robert Aguirre and how nice Robert was.
She should stop mentioning him. At all. But yet she keeps on talking on and on about him. Most of the time to slander him. Sometimes she starts complimenting him but then she can't help it and she ends up saying something nasty about him.

Have either of you ever seen Sonny and Cher dog one another in interviews long after their personal and professional relationships ended? And, they had a child together. Never heard Cher say bad things about Greg Allman. It’s hardly a phenomenon unique to either Stevie or Lindsey.

Because, you know, he was such a monster to her and she was nothing but a saint…. :angel: Yeah, talking about fanboy lens…. :p
They were both insecure spoiled rich kids who couldn’t separate their careers as musicians from their personal relationship. They WERE monsters to each other and continue to be.

My fanboy lens is Mick, John, & Christine. Don’t recall seeing John or Christine saying bad things about each other. Maybe that’s because they were both accomplished musicians before they got together romantically. Their identities as musicians weren’t wrapped up in their personal relationship. They didn’t have the “you wouldn’t be anything without me” thing that seemed to plague Stevie and Lindsey. As a result, they became good friends again over time. John helped Christine out with demo work for her 1984 album and she lent him her keyboards for his solo project.

[secondhandchain]

No scouring. Saturday Night Live was mocking her 20? years ago! The fact that some of are primarily fans of THE BAND, and not her specifically, shouldn't hurt your feelings. Accept it. Accept it with a sense of humor. $he's NOT a goddess. $he's an old woman with barely any voice left.

$he's become a caricature of herself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms

She's the WORST now. I used to be the biggest fan of hers but i just can't do it anymore. She's changed, she's become a bitter old woman hanging on to her fame anyway she can . It's gross. Goat "let me see, who can I attach myself to prolong my fame and make me look relevant.... wait....who's that boy on the TV Harry Styles? Is he famous?" Karen "he's the biggest thing right now" Goat "quick get me backstage to his next show"

[michelej1]

Have either of you ever seen Sonny and Cher dog one another in interviews long after their personal and professional relationships ended? And, they had a child together. Never heard Cher say bad things about Greg Allman. It’s hardly a phenomenon unique to either Stevie or Lindsey.



Cher will talk about how his drug use doomed them from the start, but she generally describes “Gregory” as sweet.

The one thing I love about her is that, no matter what she might say about Sonny she does not really like anyone else to criticize him. That annoys her. You know what his voice was like. She does not want anyone to say that he had an awful singing voice, even though she clearly knows he did.

I wish that Stevie and Lindsay had that kind of protectiveness towards one another.

I was an English and communication major and I did a paper on Sonny’s solo album for one of my assignments. The teacher had to approve the subject before hand. He told me he would let me do it but he didn’t think I had a lot of material to work with. That made me very angry. Not everyone in the class had to be doing a paper on one of the Beatles did they? I ended up getting an a on that paper.

Sonny and Cher were the work first but I have a thing for duo in general. Jerry Lewis was an awful person but the way he admonished his own ego and took the blame for the break up with Dean Martin really moved mean. He discussed how much he loved Dean. As a writer. He had come to believe that he was the cause of most of their success and he began to write Dean’s part smaller and smaller. Dean just very coolly walked away. What a guy. Jerry eventually recognized his mistake and regret it the bitter end their relationship. I saw them have two TV reunions and I cried all the way through.

And obviously I have like 25 hours of tape devoted to Sonny’s funeral and Cher’s amazing eulogy is the highlight.

Ah well. We here are looking at a number of eulogies in our near future aren’t we?

The thing is, at some point be it Cher or Lucille Ball, the bitterness falls away. It doesn’t get more childish overtime. Not usually.

[jbrownsjr]

^^ You better edit that Lindsay!! :lol:

Now, I want a paper on Matthew Rhys!! xoxox

[bombaysaffires]

I don't see how it was fair of her to say at the PGA Festival Show that Lindsey was a coward to not to call her to join Fritz. That's slander in front of 20,000 people. Why does she have to bring him up like that? It's like just mention Robert Aguirre and how nice Robert was.
She doesn't benefit from the masses by mentioning Lindsey. She might benefit if she says she loves Lady Gaga or Drake. Then People.com will publish a story on how she said she likes those artists.
She was sued in 2018 (as a party to the group Fleetwood Mac) and her attorney or band attorney had to settle with Lindsey. They felt his termination was justified but they effed up. The lawsuit & settlement got major press coverage. Even on my local news.
Better to not say anything at all about him. She could talk about Jimmy Iovine, Lori, Sharon, & all the other collaborators she loves.

what did she say exactly??

[UnwindedDreams]

what did she say exactly??

At the PGA Concert?
If you're asking about that, she was speaking before Landslide - maybe.

She said there's someone here tonight that lives or works here in Palm Springs, who invited me to join Fritz because Lindsey was too much of a coward to call me. She said Bobby's full name. I think she raised her knee to her elbow to pose as the famous Thinking Person Statue.

[HomerMcvie]

She's the WORST now. I used to be the biggest fan of hers but i just can't do it anymore. She's changed, she's become a bitter old woman hanging on to her fame anyway she can . It's gross. Goat "let me see, who can I attach myself to prolong my fame and make me look relevant.... wait....who's that boy on the TV Harry Styles? Is he famous?" Karen "he's the biggest thing right now" Goat "quick get me backstage to his next show"

That's exactly what $he's doing. Clinging to anything that makes her appear to still be relevant. That $he's had a hit since the 80's... And I'm sure $he has no idea who these people are, until her yes family tells her.

[bombaysaffires]

At the PGA Concert?
If you're asking about that, she was speaking before Landslide - maybe.

She said there's someone here tonight that lives or works here in Palm Springs, who invited me to join Fritz because Lindsey was too much of a coward to call me. She said Bobby's full name. I think she raised her knee to her elbow to pose as the famous Thinking Person Statue.

ah....thanks for filling me in!

What a doosh.

[SteveMacD]

At the PGA Concert?
If you're asking about that, she was speaking before Landslide - maybe.

She said there's someone here tonight that lives or works here in Palm Springs, who invited me to join Fritz because Lindsey was too much of a coward to call me. She said Bobby's full name. I think she raised her knee to her elbow to pose as the famous Thinking Person Statue.

That’s it?

Pretty benign. Lindsey called Fleetwood Mac a dysfunctional family when I saw him in 1993. Remember, he wasn’t in the band anymore at the time. He also said some negative things about Billy and Rick over the years.

[UnwindedDreams]

^ Applaud bullying and slander if you want.

What's the point of bringing Lindsey's name up? To get enjoyment from the crowd?

It decreased Bobby Aguirre's moment of appreciation.

If she's got a memory vault of "evil" done by Lindsey, I wish she'd share it. As you said, Cher was open about Sonny.
Tina was open about Ike. Carole was open about Gerry. Madonna was open about Sean.

So far from Stevie, I've heard he couldn't work in the service industry, he left their home a mess, was a stoner, and a coward.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey basically said that Stevie was jealous that he has a family on national television.

[UnwindedDreams]

"Basically said"...

Interview with Stevie during Unleashed Tour:

"He's married, he's happy, he has three beautiful children that I love. You know, he's found a good, happy, calm, safe place — but who Lindsey and I are to each other will never change."

Still, she said, "It's over. It doesn't mean the great feeling isn't there, it must mean that ... you know, we're beauty and the beast. It means that the love is always there but we'll never be together, so that's even more romantic."

Asked when she knew the romance was really over, Nicks said, "The day his first child was born. I knew that was it ... that was the definitive thing."

[SteveMacD]

"Basically said"...

Okay, full, long-winded quote:

“I think, you know, sometimes she might find it difficult that I was lucky enough to find my soulmate late in life and had my first child when I was 48 and have three beautiful children and that was something that she never did. You know, she’s basically living her professional life...So I don’t know if that plays into it or not. I honestly don’t know.”

ETA: https://youtu.be/3HZUDrSX1x8

[UnwindedDreams]

Okay, full, long-winded quote:

“I think, you know, sometimes she might find it difficult that I was lucky enough to find my soulmate late in life and had my first child when I was 48 and have three beautiful children and that was something that she never did. You know, she’s basically living her professional life...So I don’t know if that plays into it or not. I honestly don’t know.”

ETA: https://youtu.be/3HZUDrSX1x8
I don't think that quote made it to the TV airing. That may've been an online exclusive.

Was what he said mean? Doesn't that align with the spirit of the 2009 quote from Stevie I shared?

I was at MusiCares at Radio City and Stevie talked about how she doesn't have anybody late at night after shows in response to Dave Navarro talking about loneliness after concerts in a MusiCares montage played on the screens.

Were you one of Fleetwood Mac's attorneys in Lindsey's lawsuit against them?
You could probably get a job as Stevie's publicist!

[jwd]

I don't think that quote made it to the TV airing. That may've been an online exclusive.

Was what he said mean? Doesn't that align with the spirit of the 2009 quote from Stevie I shared?

I was at MusiCares at Radio City and Stevie talked about how she doesn't have anybody late at night after shows in response to Dave Navarro talking about loneliness after concerts in a MusiCares montage played on the screens.

Were you one of Fleetwood Mac's attorneys in Lindsey's lawsuit against them?
You could probably get a job as Stevie's publicist!


I've never read so much pro Stevie commentary from Steve since Lindsey was fired from the band. Maybe he just likes to take the minority opinion and run with it. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

I don't think that quote made it to the TV airing. That may've been an online exclusive.
It was aired on TV. I remember cringing when he said it.

Was what he said mean?
It certainly came off as passive aggressive.

Were you one of Fleetwood Mac's attorneys in Lindsey's lawsuit against them?
You could probably get a job as Stevie's publicist!

I've never read so much pro Stevie commentary from Steve since Lindsey was fired from the band. Maybe he just likes to take the minority opinion and run with it. :shrug:
I’m not “pro-Stevie,” I just don’t dig how Lindsey has been canonized. I don’t dig how everything Stevie says is pure evil, but everything Lindsey says is completely benign. They’re both a-holes who run their mouths, which is hardly anything new. And, they’ve been a-holes to each other.

The one thing I will give credit to Stevie for is wanting to do away with the prerecords and diving into deeper cuts. Yeah, a new album would be great, but Lindsey has become so predictable with his production that even new songs don’t really feel new. LBCM felt more like a revisiting than something new or original.

I’m ambivalent about Lindsey. I’ve seen him more than any of the others outside of Fleetwood Mac, and hopefully will again. And, I probably won’t see Stevie solo, for the record (although I’ll definitely heck out Crowded House and Dirty Knobs if they’re nearby). However, the prerecords, blatant vocal manipulations, set guitar arrangements, and psychobabble banter is rough to watch after a while. Of course he has a ton of energy on stage, he’s on autopilot as a player. There’s a banality to it. After seeing Richard Thompson, working for Guided by Voices, and, yes, seeing Mike Campbell, I prefer the elements of unpredictability and spontaneity with shows, and that’s simply not in Lindsey’s lexicon.

[UnwindedDreams]

I’m not “pro-Stevie,” I just don’t dig how Lindsey has been canonized. I don’t dig how everything Stevie says is pure evil, but everything Lindsey says is completely benign. They’re both a-holes who run their mouths, which is hardly anything new. And, they’ve been a-holes to each other.

The one thing I will give credit to Stevie for is wanting to do away with the prerecords and diving into deeper cuts. Yeah, a new album would be great, but Lindsey has become so predictable with his production that even new songs don’t really feel new. LBCM felt more like a revisiting than something new or original.

I’m ambivalent about Lindsey. I’ve seen him more than any of the others outside of Fleetwood Mac, and hopefully will again. And, I probably won’t see Stevie solo, for the record (although I’ll definitely heck out Crowded House and Dirty Knobs if they’re nearby). However, the prerecords, blatant vocal manipulations, set guitar arrangements, and psychobabble banter is rough to watch after a while. Of course he has a ton of energy on stage, he’s on autopilot as a player. There’s a banality to it. After seeing Richard Thompson, working for Guided by Voices, and, yes, seeing Mike Campbell, I prefer the elements of unpredictability and spontaneity with shows, and that’s simply not in Lindsey’s lexicon.

I respect what you said. I don't agree that it was passive aggressive what he said about Stevie not having a spouse or family. From reading that 2009 quote, from watching Silver Springs from The Dance, the handholding, the tears from the Vegas 2013 performance, I think Stevie hoped it would've been that she & Lindsey would've been single and childless forever. But Lindsey had a kid & ended that hope.

As far as Stevie insisting on deep cuts, how do you mean?

Know I'm Not Wrong, Storms, Beautiful Child, Oh Well, 7 Wonders, Not that Funny, Oh Well were done from 03-15

Are you talking about BMW, Tell Me, & Hypnotized? She sang BMW, sure, but most of that performance was Mike & a solo from Chris. I wish she added a verse written by her instead "Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah"

[BigAl84]

The whole rhetoric of Lindsey being responsible for the stale setlist somehow came out of the whole debacle/split in 2018 and somehow stuck with many. Quite frankly, it's a crock of sh*t and I don't get how Lindsey got stuck with that label.

I highly doubt Stevie Nicks EVER muttered a single pre-1975 song title during tour rehearsals between 2003-2015. The ONLY reason she magically showed interest for that material was when Mick went into emergency PR mode and had to justify Lindsey's departure as business as usual "because our lineup has always changed throughout the years" despite the fact that just a matter of 4 years ago mick is quoted as saying that the 75 lineup has come to be recognized as a definitive lineup for the band.

They talked up the "new band" and "new setlist" to sell tickets and then axed nearly all of the "new old" songs within the first 20 shows of the tour. But it's somehow Lindsey's fault for the stale setlist. Okay, sure.

It's funny how folks have selective memory and forget that Lindsey wasn't exactly keen on doing the 2009 tour and doing "just the hits"...

Or how they forget about him remarking that "We certainly cant open with The Chain again" - which is why they opened with Monday Morning in 2009.

[BigAl84]

And let's get real here. The use of some pre-records is no worse than Mick Fleetwood hiding a drum tech behind his kit, filling in huge chunks that he otherwise played back in the day. So don't fool yourself into thinking that pre-records and similar things were an act of big bad Lindsey. The entire band used things like that to help them out.

It's hilarious that people magically have outrage about some pre-recorded parts and turn a blind eye to the army of backing musicians they've had playing behind them for the better part of 20 years.

Oh but Lindsey!!

[BigAl84]

LBCM felt more like a revisiting than something new or original.

You're right - they should of called it songs from the vault and hired the Nashville wrecking crew to replicate 30-year-old demos note for note. That wasn't a revisitation or anything.

[jbrownsjr]

And let's get real here. The use of some pre-records is no worse than Mick Fleetwood hiding a drum tech behind his kit, filling in huge chunks that he otherwise played back in the day. So don't fool yourself into thinking that pre-records and similar things were an act of big bad Lindsey. The entire band used things like that to help them out.

It's hilarious that people magically have outrage about some pre-recorded parts and turn a blind eye to the army of backing musicians they've had playing behind them for the better part of 20 years.

Oh but Lindsey!!

Point taken. I really can't argue. As time has gone on, we have been watching a cover band of back-ups filling in more and more and more with each tour.

[jbrownsjr]

You're right - they should of called it songs from the vault and hired the Nashville wrecking crew to replicate 30-year-old demos note for note. That wasn't a revisitation or anything.

When you compare that album w/ BuckVie, it's not even a contest.

I tried to listen to her 24K. It's really hard to get through it.

[HomerMcvie]

I tried to listen to her 24K. It's really hard to get through it.

A copy was given to me when it came out. I made it through it twice, trying to like it, and just couldn't do it again.

[jbrownsjr]

A copy was given to me when it came out. I made it through it twice, trying to like it, and just couldn't do it again.

Some of those songs were amazing back in the day. Add the nasal factor and I'm tapping out. :shocked:

[jmn3]

It's funny how folks have selective memory and forget that Lindsey wasn't exactly keen on doing the 2009 tour and doing "just the hits"...

Or how they forget about him remarking that "We certainly cant open with The Chain again" - which is why they opened with Monday Morning in 2009.

I thought that The Chain comment was before Say You Will. Then they did that rehearsal show where they opened with Eyes of the World...and then by the time of the tour opener in Columbus, we were back to The Chain opening. It's been so long now since all of this but I thought it was Mick that suggested Monday Morning for the Unleashed tour in 2009 and that it took some convincing to get Lindsey to go for it - something about playing some old shows (presumably from the latter stage of the Tusk tour) where they opened with Monday Morning and that convinced them to do it.

That all being said, I am in full agreement with you that tagging Lindsey as the stale setlist guy is pretty comical. You gave all the backup and evidence for what a BS crap excuse this was by Mick and Stevie. That fans buy into this too is just ridiculous.

[SteveMacD]

The whole rhetoric of Lindsey being responsible for the stale setlist
Nope. That’s not what the criticism was. It’s that he didn’t want to explore in depth the 67-74, 88-95 stuff, the music that didn’t involve him, that wasn’t part of HIS legacy with Fleetwood Mac. We all know that his first choice would be new music, but that wasn’t in the cards (different, equally important topic). Still, he’s publicly said that he didn’t enjoy playing the earlier stuff, except for maybe a couple of Peter Green songs, and that he felt like a cabaret act whenever they played that stuff.

They talked up the "new band" and "new setlist" to sell tickets and then axed nearly all of the "new old" songs within the first 20 shows of the tour. But it's somehow Lindsey's fault for the stale setlist. Okay, sure.
I agree that it sucked that those songs were dropped (especially Hypnotized). Still, hearing Christine do solos reminiscent of 1971-72 was worth it for me. I mean, I still got to see Lindsey do his songs, too. For me, it was actually better apart. I got to see Hypnotized, Tell Me All The Things You Do, All Over Again, and I Must Go in 2018.

And, as a fan of the Finns in general and Mike Campbell as a guitarist...It could have been worse.

I highly doubt Stevie Nicks EVER muttered a single pre-1975 song title during tour rehearsals between 2003-2015
Probably not. But, her formula changed with the 24KG tour. Mick was knee deep in promoting his 67-74 “Love That Burns” coffee table book, and he and Stevie apparently decided in Italy that they wanted to apply her new MO to a Fleetwood Mac set.

[BigAl84]

Everyone and their mother knows darn well that even if Lindsey were in the band at that point, preparing for the 2018 tour - Stevie and the rest of the band would never of supported removing 3+ of the "hits" for pre-75 material. If I had to take a bet, the only reason we got Oh Well in 2009 was because it was one of Lindsey's picks for the set, not because Stevie or Mick suggested breaking up the setlist with pre-75 material.

I also wouldnt be suprised if another factor in the sudden pre-75 love fest had to do with saving Stevie's voice for the hideous Tom Petty tribute at the end of the show.

As you've already stated...the only reason this is even a discussion topic is because it was clearly identified as a new MO for the band via mick and steive. It really turned out to be a failed attempt to spin the concept of "what we did to Lindsey is business as usual because lookie over here...we've always had a revolving door of musicians and we pay tribute to all of them in our setlists"....rigggghhhhht.

Where's all the criticism of Christine not playing her earlier Fleetwood Mac material while in the band between 1979-1988?.....probably somebody elses fault, right?

[mitzo]

A copy was given to me when it came out. I made it through it twice, trying to like it, and just couldn't do it again.

It outsold LCBM, however.

[HomerMcvie]

It outsold LCBM, however.

There's absolutely no accounting for taste. If there was, I could explain that old goat's popularity.

And I don't give two f*cks what the masses like. I make my own choices based on the merits of the work before me.

Sheeple.....

[SteveMacD]

Everyone and their mother knows darn well that even if Lindsey were in the band at that point, preparing for the 2018 tour - Stevie and the rest of the band would never of supported removing 3+ of the "hits" for pre-75 material.
Not according to the interview that Mick gave Rolling Stone. It was pretty clear that he and Stevie decided in Italy in 2017 that they were going to be playing obscure, deep tracks. They didn’t specify pre-1975, 88-95, but, given the 24KG setlist and Mick’s 67-74 coffee table book, it wasn’t especially hard to understand what he meant. And, that’s exactly what happened, at least initially.

If I had to take a bet, the only reason we got Oh Well in 2009 was because it was one of Lindsey's picks for the set, not because Stevie or Mick suggested breaking up the setlist with pre-75 material.
Really? You couldn’t imagine Mick suggesting a Peter Green song? Especially one that was played on all but one tour since it was released until 1995?


I also wouldnt be suprised if another factor in the sudden pre-75 love fest had to do with saving Stevie's voice for the hideous Tom Petty tribute at the end of the show.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if the pre-75 love had something to do with the career spanning compilation that was about to be released...

Where's all the criticism of Christine not playing her earlier Fleetwood Mac material while in the band between 1979-1988?.....probably somebody elses fault, right?
She certainly played a couple of early songs on her 1984 solo tour, and it could be argued that when they played “Stop Messin’ Round” with Rick Vito, she was playing her earliest Fleetwood Mac performance, back from the time when she was still Christine Perfect.

However, comparing 1979-90 to 2018 is pretty disingenuous. Fleetwood Mac was a current, active band touring in support of multi-platinum albums. They’ve largely been an oldies band since 1994.

[UnwindedDreams]

I inferred from Mick's 2017 interview where he mentioned talking to Stevie about the set for the next tour that they were going to explore doing songs that they (Rumours 5) hadn't done in a while, and by that I thought Stevie was speaking on selecting her songs. Stevie in an interview around that time spoke about insisting on doing different things for the next tour and spoke about going through each of the albums and searching for stuff to do.
But I don't think she really showed for it on the 18/19 tour. No Straight Back, Angel, Sara, Welcome to the Room, or Everybody Finds Out. Say You Will was on the 50 Don't Stop package too and that wasn't touched. But heck Gypsy and Storms, a 2009 staple, were done!

I think the pre-FMFM focus was done for fun but also to help replace Lindsey songs too. I remember hearing Neil on the Sirius Channel in May 2018 saying how much of a big responsibility it was to him to sing Lindsey's songs. Too bad they only did Blue Letter once, and/or didn't try Oh Diane, Can't Go Back or Mystified.

I actually think Can't Go Back and Family Man would've been good for Neil, instead of Crowded House and Split Enz stuff in the set.

[UnwindedDreams]

There's absolutely no accounting for taste. If there was, I could explain that old goat's popularity.

And I don't give two f*cks what the masses like. I make my own choices based on the merits of the work before me.

Sheeple.....
Do you like goat cheese or milk? I do.

LBCM did better than 24KG and IYD in the United Kingdom. Stevie did press in London for IYD, but not 24. Chris did press for LBCM in June of 2017.

[SteveMacD]

I inferred from Mick's 2017 interview where he mentioned talking to Stevie about the set for the next tour that they were going to explore doing songs that they (Rumours 5) hadn't done in a while, and by that I thought Stevie was speaking on selecting her songs. Stevie in an interview around that time spoke about insisting on doing different things for the next tour and spoke about going through each of the albums and searching for stuff to do.

But I don't think she really showed for it on the 18/19 tour. No Straight Back, Angel, Sara, Welcome to the Room, or Everybody Finds Out. Say You Will was on the 50 Don't Stop package too and that wasn't touched. But heck Gypsy and Storms, a 2009 staple, were done!
Funny how we inferred different things from that interview. Based on what I inferred, Stevie absolutely delivered. She sang “Black Magic Woman” and turned “All Over Again” into a duet.


I think the pre-FMFM focus was done for fun but also to help replace Lindsey songs too. I remember hearing Neil on the Sirius Channel in May 2018 saying how much of a big responsibility it was to him to sing Lindsey's songs. Too bad they only did Blue Letter once, and/or didn't try Oh Diane, Can't Go Back or Mystified.

I actually think Can't Go Back and Family Man would've been good for Neil, instead of Crowded House and Split Enz stuff in the set.
Neil can definitely sing pop with the best of them.

However, there was zero chance DDIO wasn’t getting played. Part of the reason they brought on Neil and Mike is because they have legendary careers and have made legendary music. DDIO is Neil Finn’s biggest hit, and it’s one of the most recognizable hits of the ‘80s. They wouldn’t have gone to the trouble of getting him if he didn’t have anything to bring to the table in terms of publicity.

[UnwindedDreams]

However, there was zero chance DDIO wasn’t getting played. Part of the reason they brought on Neil and Mike is because they have legendary careers and have made legendary music. DDIO is Neil Finn’s biggest hit, and it’s one of the most recognizable hits of the ‘80s. They wouldn’t have gone to the trouble of getting him if he didn’t have anything to bring to the table in terms of publicity.
Isn't DDIO a calling card for Neil though? That's Mick's language: calling card
To me it's like if they asked Marky Mark to join FM, there would've been zero chance "Good Vibrations" wouldn't have been played.

So part of the reason they brought on Neil and Mike was to play music that Neil and Mike made outside of FM and not to make a new FM song or songs to play live?

[SteveMacD]

Isn't DDIO a calling card for Neil though?That's Mick's language: calling card
To me it's like if they asked Marky Mark to join FM, there would've been zero chance "Good Vibrations" wouldn't have been played.
Probably. Although his style is pretty far removed from any relevant to Fleetwood Mac. Compare “Something So Strong” to “Remember Me” (especially the Roxy version).

So part of the reason they brought on Neil and Mike was to play music that Neil and Mike made outside of FM and not to make a new FM song or songs to play live?
To a degree. That’s a narrow reading of it. Neil and Mike have big enough names that they were able to make up any attrition at the ticket counter due to the split with Lindsey. To put it another way, would Billy and Rick have been able to bring something comparable to Petty Nation?

[HomerMcvie]

Do you like goat cheese or milk? I do.

LBCM did better than 24KG and IYD in the United Kingdom. Stevie did press in London for IYD, but not 24. Chris did press for LBCM in June of 2017.

Indeed, I do.

I just have no interest in comparing numbers. If I love something, I don't care if I'm the ONLY person who buys it, and gets it. I care about my artist being financially successful, but beyond that, if I'm the only one who "gets it", I'm good with that. $tevie fans have always loved to push her numbers. I couldn't give a f*ck about numbers. It's about music that I personally enjoy.

[mitzo]

Indeed, I do.

I just have no interest in comparing numbers. If I love something, I don't care if I'm the ONLY person who buys it, and gets it. I care about my artist being financially successful, but beyond that, if I'm the only one who "gets it", I'm good with that. $tevie fans have always loved to push her numbers. I couldn't give a f*ck about numbers. It's about music that I personally enjoy.

I like what I like too. That is why I stick by Stevie and her work on spite of everything. BTW Stevie's 24KG tour sure eclipsed the Lindsey and Christine tour. Sold out arenas all over!!

[SteveMacD]

$tevie fans have always loved to push her numbers.
OTOH, £ind$€¥ fans want to give him full credit for their superstardom. That’s when the numbers come into play. I also don’t especially care, but then I’ve never credited any single member for their superstardom. Truth be told, Stevie is probably eighth on my of Fleetwood Mac members (if I counted Neil and Mike on that list, which I don’t, since they haven’t done anything significant with them, yet, she’d be 10).

[HomerMcvie]

That is why I stick by Stevie and her work on spite of everything.

BTW Stevie's 24KG tour sure eclipsed the Lindsey and Christine tour. Sold out arenas all over!!

In spite of everything? Boy, that sure sounds like a pass for crappy workmanship!

See? Wtf? A numbers pusher at their finest! Congrats. You have MASS BLIND TASTE. I'm certain your mother is proud.

I was (made my way to) front row for BuckVie. It was a true highlight of my lifetime of FM adulation. If I'd been the only one there, I would have felt sorry for them, but still couldn't have been any happier.

Btw, I think $tevie just farted. You'd better go try and find it on record!

[mitzo]

Lindsey's anger about numbers is what got him kicked out of the band. Anger is a very ugly thing.

[BigAl84]

However, comparing 1979-90 to 2018 is pretty disingenuous. Fleetwood Mac was a current, active band touring in support of multi-platinum albums. They’ve largely been an oldies band since 1994.

LOL...OF COURSE, you give Christine a pass. You also thought Stevie "delivered" with her version of black magic train wreck...

It's funny how you've been a fan for what, over 20+ years? yet your bar for them impressing you has sunk to the floor.

[BigAl84]

OTOH, £ind$€¥ fans want to give him full credit for their superstardom. That’s when the numbers come into play. I also don’t especially care, but then I’ve never credited any single member for their superstardom. Truth be told, Stevie is probably eighth on my of Fleetwood Mac members (if I counted Neil and Mike on that list, which I don’t, since they haven’t done anything significant with them, yet, she’d be 10).

Oh but your endless defense of Stevie, Christine, and Mick doesnt imply anything.

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[BigAl84]

I like what I like too. That is why I stick by Stevie and her work on spite of everything. BTW Stevie's 24KG tour sure eclipsed the Lindsey and Christine tour. Sold out arenas all over!!

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[HomerMcvie]

Anger is a very ugly thing.

Mirrors can be as well. Use extreme caution when you're near one.

[elle]

Anger is a very ugly thing.
indeed it is. i'm so glad that Lindsey is so at peace. hope Stevie is also finally getting over her angry vendetta and to a peaceful place one of these days.

Lindsey's anger about numbers is what got him kicked out of the band.
hahaha, that's a new one. i thought it was because he didn't wanna tour for a year? ;)

of course, numbers was what made it possible to get him kicked out - the numbers that stevie was finally apparently certain enough she could use to convince Mick while frolicking together through Italy. because she could point to 2017 touring numbers showing she is larger name solo than BuckVie together.

[TrueFaith77]

I would not rank any Stevie album over any Lindsey album ... until IYD and 24KG.

Both are probably my fav Mac solo albums.

The irony is IYD is too long and 24KG gets better by having the two(?) bonus tracks.

[TrueFaith77]

of course, numbers was what made it possible to get him kicked out - the numbers that stevie was finally apparently certain enough she could use to convince Mick while frolicking together through Italy. because she could point to 2017 touring numbers showing she is larger name solo than BuckVie together.

Stevie stole the FM name that would have been rightfully attached to that album — THEN we would see who sold better than whom.

And this is why SHE should have bowed out if it was only about money — but instead it was about vengeance. Watch out for that Avenging Conscience, Stevie!!! “Like a heartbeat drives you mad”

[button-lip]

Stevie stole the FM name that would have been rightfully attached to that album — THEN we would see who sold better than whom.

And this is why SHE should have bowed out if it was only about money — but instead it was about vengeance. Watch out for that Avenging Conscience, Stevie!!! “Like a heartbeat drives you mad”

Funny how her own lyrics turned against her. "Like a heartbeat drives you mad" and "the sound of my voice will haunt you". Yeah, Stevie, Lindsey is still crying for you... :laugh::laugh::laugh:

She's such a pitiful and lonely person. :wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

indeed it is. i'm so glad that Lindsey is so at peace. hope Stevie is also finally getting over her angry vendetta and to a peaceful place one of these days.


hahaha, that's a new one. i thought it was because he didn't wanna tour for a year? ;)

of course, numbers was what made it possible to get him kicked out - the numbers that stevie was finally apparently certain enough she could use to convince Mick while frolicking together through Italy. because she could point to 2017 touring numbers showing she is larger name solo than BuckVie together.

That's why they call her $tevie. BuckVie did quite well for a first venture. I was shocked the album climbed the charts that it did.

I'll never forget that summer of 2017. What a treat to see that show! I couldn't believe I was seeing Christine McVie in 2017, let alone a small venue.

[BigAl84]

When you think about it, it's really ironic that it was new Fleetwood Mac music that broke up the band.

Yeah we were told of all of the other issues and narratives that the band wanted to spew, it was really the fact that Buckingham McVie saw the light of day that broke up the band. Failing to yeild to Nicks was the final grenade of political band napalm. They called her bluff in the end, as predicted she went ape-sh*t over the whole scenario. Aso, Christine and Mick yielded to the cash of a new tour, also a highly predictable move.

I often wonder what Christine is doing these days, I wonder if she feels it was worth it all. Lindsey was probably the only working musical ally she had in the band. Mick is a social friend, Stevie is a tour buddy (but Stevie will tell you differently, of course).

[Storms123]

When you think about it, it's really ironic that it was new Fleetwood Mac music that broke up the band.

Yeah we were told of all of the other issues and narratives that the band wanted to spew, it was really the fact that Buckingham McVie saw the light of day that broke up the band. Failing to yeild to Nicks was the final grenade of political band napalm. They called her bluff in the end, as predicted she went ape-sh*t over the whole scenario. Aso, Christine and Mick yielded to the cash of a new tour, also a highly predictable move.

I often wonder what Christine is doing these days, I wonder if she feels it was worth it all. Lindsey was probably the only working musical ally she had in the band. Mick is a social friend, Stevie is a tour buddy (but Stevie will tell you differently, of course).



Of the 3 songwriters in the Rumours 5, I would happily wage Lindsey is the only one we will ever hear anything new from

[jbrownsjr]

When you think about it, it's really ironic that it was new Fleetwood Mac music that broke up the band.

Yeah we were told of all of the other issues and narratives that the band wanted to spew, it was really the fact that Buckingham McVie saw the light of day that broke up the band. Failing to yeild to Nicks was the final grenade of political band napalm. They called her bluff in the end, as predicted she went ape-sh*t over the whole scenario. Aso, Christine and Mick yielded to the cash of a new tour, also a highly predictable move.

I often wonder what Christine is doing these days, I wonder if she feels it was worth it all. Lindsey was probably the only working musical ally she had in the band. Mick is a social friend, Stevie is a tour buddy (but Stevie will tell you differently, of course).

My best friend called it. He's not a FM enthusiast, but he'll watch videos and such with me. When he saw the BuckVie video he stated, "Oh my Lord, they are going to pay for this!"

And I said, "No, she's not that petty."

I WAS WRONG!

[HomerMcvie]

My best friend called it. He's not a FM enthusiast, but he'll watch videos and such with me. When he saw the BuckVie video he stated, "Oh my Lord, they are going to pay for this!"

And I said, "No, she's not that petty."

I WAS WRONG!

If only her megafans could see what a nasty, petty, selfish person $tevie is. $he's the worst thing that ever happened to FM.

[BigAl84]

My best friend called it. He's not a FM enthusiast, but he'll watch videos and such with me. When he saw the BuckVie video he stated, "Oh my Lord, they are going to pay for this!"

And I said, "No, she's not that petty."

I WAS WRONG!

Oh I had the same reaction as your friend. The minute they announced that album was coming out without Nicks...I knew a ticking timebomb was now out in the wild.

They broke the #1 unspoken law of the band that had been going on for the past 15 years - 4/5ths of the band can start a project, but if Nicks' refuses to participate, it's subsequently shelved indefinitely.

She didn't like the press that made her look like sour grapes for not participating. The press also took notice that it was pretty much a Fleetwood Mac affair minus herself.

Yet somehow...OF COURSE....Mick got a pass for his remarks praising the album and mentioning "they might be walking down red carpets with this body of work"

[BigAl84]

Of the 3 songwriters in the Rumours 5, I would happily wage Lindsey is the only one we will ever hear anything new from

Oh you're absolutely right. It's been how many years since songs from the vault and Stevie has expressed zero interest in even doing a follow up. Apparently warner approached her about doing other reissues and she wanted nothing to do with that either (somebody posted about that here a while back)

I mean, as sad as it is Tom Petty's estate is more active in releasing content for fans and the poor guy has passed away.

[UnwindedDreams]

It's been how many years since songs from the vault and Stevie has expressed zero interest in even doing a follow up. Apparently warner approached her about doing other reissues and she wanted nothing to do with that either (somebody posted about that here a while back)

I mean, as sad as it is Tom Petty's estate is more active in releasing content for fans and the poor guy has passed away.

I can't believe she didn't record a More Songs from the Vault album in the time period from February 2018 to August 2018. I know she did a private gig or 2 in May.

I suppose the Stand Back 1981-2017 collection was a reissue of sorts. Nothing like a Leann Rimes cover to celebrate her historic career!

[BigAl84]

Honestly, I think the next couple of years are going to be hard for her. She will have lost a year to covid and by the time things start returning to normal, the reality and limitations of her age will be very evident. Any momentum from the RRHOF induction will have long since passed, burned her bridges with Lindsey etc

I can’t see ANY of them actually coming together for these one off performances they have talked about pivoting to. Way too much work.

I know I said this before, but it really struck me how the entire band brushed off the fallout like it was 1987 again, as if they have another 20 years to pull **** on one another, do ****ty things, and eventually kiss and make up over the next decade. None of them (besides Lindsey) acknowledged how privileged they were to all still be healthy and able to perform together after all of this time. In the 11th hour of their careers they dove head first into complete petty nonsense over a god damn greatest hits tour. It will never make sense to me how they chose to die on the cross for a tour that really had no significance and still has no significance.

[UnwindedDreams]

Honestly, I think the next couple of years are going to be hard for her. She will have lost a year to covid and by the time things start returning to normal, the reality and limitations of her age will be very evident. Any momentum from the RRHOF induction will have long since passed, burned her bridges with Lindsey etc

I can’t see ANY of them actually coming together for these one off performances they have talked about pivoting to. Way too much work.

I know I said this before, but it really struck me how the entire band brushed off the fallout like it was 1987 again, as if they have another 20 years to pull **** on one another, do ****ty things, and eventually kiss and make up over the next decade. None of them (besides Lindsey) acknowledged how privileged they were to all still be healthy and able to perform together after all of this time. In the 11th hour of their careers they dove head first into complete petty nonsense over a god damn greatest hits tour. It will never make sense to me how they chose to die on the cross for a tour that really had no significance and still has no significance.

I mean the the 18-19 tour was about money. In 2008, Journey debuted a new singer with new music, The Cars did it with Tood Rundgren too. They didn't even name the 18/19 tour (On With the Show, Live 2013, Unleashed, 24 Karat Gold, Heart and Soul).

I don't think she cares about a friendship with Lindsey. She did once call him her partner-in-crime

It's not like they did a transformative setlist heavy on pre-soft rock FM or dove into BTM or Tusk

[HomerMcvie]

I can’t see ANY of them actually coming together for these one off performances they have talked about pivoting to. Way too much work.

I know I said this before, but it really struck me how the entire band brushed off the fallout like it was 1987 again, as if they have another 20 years to pull **** on one another, do ****ty things, and eventually kiss and make up over the next decade. None of them (besides Lindsey) acknowledged how privileged they were to all still be healthy and able to perform together after all of this time. In the 11th hour of their careers they dove head first into complete petty nonsense over a god damn greatest hits tour. It will never make sense to me how they chose to die on the cross for a tour that really had no significance and still has no significance.

I can't believe Christine is hanging in there at her age. Stopping for a full year at that age has to be rough. But of course she's doing little actual playing these days, so as long as she can croak out enough notes to pass, I guess that's all that matters.

But $tevie says $he's not the boss, so what gives?:lol::lol::lol:

Her ego is out of control, and $he KNOWS $he's the boss. The only guarantee for a moderately full house- is for Mick to have that old goat front and center. He knows her herd will follow. Because $he's the be$t. $he's awe$ome!