Buckingham McVie

[secret love]

With Lindsey's return all but completely written off now and new music from the current line up appearing increasingly unlikely, it seems the last band project will forever be Buckingham McVie. Yes, I know it's not technically a Fleetwood Mac album, but for all intents and purposes if we call Say You Will a Fleetwood Mac album, we may as well call Buckingham McVie one too.

I've been listening to the album again lately and I'd forgotten just how good it is. So many of the songs and so catchy - Sleeping Around the Corner, Feel About You, Red Sun, Lay Down for Free...the epic closer Carnival Begin!

This album to me is better than Say You Will and although it's not the ending I'd hoped for (like many of us I held out hope until the last moment that Stevie would be involved), it is still a great ending.

What do you think?

[HomerMcvie]

With Lindsey's return all but completely written off now and new music from the current line up appearing increasingly unlikely, it seems the last band project will forever be Buckingham McVie. Yes, I know it's not technically a Fleetwood Mac album, but for all intents and purposes if we call Say You Will a Fleetwood Mac album, we may as well call Buckingham McVie one too.

I've been listening to the album again lately and I'd forgotten just how good it is. So many of the songs and so catchy - Sleeping Around the Corner, Feel About You, Red Sun, Lay Down for Free...the epic closer Carnival Begin!

This album to me is better than Say You Will and although it's not the ending I'd hoped for (like many of us I held out hope until the last moment that Stevie would be involved), it is still a great ending.

What do you think?
It WAS supposed to be a FM record, except for you know who refusing to participate(THIS is the legacy she left the band with).

It's every bit as much a FM record as SYW. I far prefer it! Christine always added the sweetness that made FM work. SYW had none of that. SYW is dark and depressing to my ears. BuckVie is fun pop! I love it. I'm thankful to have it as their swan song(again, a record from all 5 would have been better, but we know where the blame lies).

Too bad Christine didn't stand up for her musical partner of 42 years. #nospine #chaiseloungechristine #sheaintnosuperwoman

[ViscountViktor]

It's a great album - I love all the songs apart from Feel About You which I can't abide.

Just such a massive shame that Stevie wanted to tour her album instead of contribute. Would've been amazing as the last Mac record.

[secret love]

It WAS supposed to be a FM record, except for you know who refusing to participate(THIS is the legacy she left the band with).

It's every bit as much a FM record as SYW. I far prefer it! Christine always added the sweetness that made FM work. SYW had none of that. SYW is dark and depressing to my ears. BuckVie is fun pop! I love it. I'm thankful to have it as their swan song(again, a record from all 5 would have been better, but we know where the blame lies).

Too bad Christine didn't stand up for her musical partner of 42 years. #nospine #chaiseloungechristine #sheaintnosuperwoman

You can blame Christine, but we don't know what she said or did behind the scenes. Maybe she did stand up for Lindsey and they just didn't listen. Besides, sure, she could say "Lindsey's in or I'm out" and they could have called her bluff and decided to disband Fleetwood Mac altogether.

Back to the album. Definitely is fun pop - except for songs like Love is Here to Stay and Game of Pretend, I wouldn't call them fun, they're a bit more serious. I still like Say You Will, yes a lot of it is depressing but I always found the title track very uplifting.

[HomerMcvie]

You can blame Christine, but we don't know what she said or did behind the scenes. Maybe she did stand up for Lindsey and they just didn't listen. Besides, sure, she could say "Lindsey's in or I'm out" and they could have called her bluff and decided to disband Fleetwood Mac altogether.

Back to the album. Definitely is fun pop - except for songs like Love is Here to Stay and Game of Pretend, I wouldn't call them fun, they're a bit more serious. I still like Say You Will, yes a lot of it is depressing but I always found the title track very uplifting.

If she'd said, "fire him, and I'M GONE", that would have stopped it. GUARANTEED. But she didn't. They wouldn't have disbanded. Old goat $tevie would have had to get over it, rather than being a spoiled child, and demanding his ouster.

But Mick had his meal ticket's back. Have I ever mentioned that Mick is pretty much the sleaziest character in the history of music?

Honestly, I've never understood the massive love that Carnival gets. It's okay, but one of my least favorite songs on the album.

[elle]

You can blame Christine, but we don't know what she said or did behind the scenes. Maybe she did stand up for Lindsey and they just didn't listen. Besides, sure, she could say "Lindsey's in or I'm out" and they could have called her bluff and decided to disband Fleetwood Mac altogether.

that would have been the right move.

[HomerMcvie]

that would have been the right move.

They could have played theaters for the rest of their days, and I'd have followed them as frequently as I could have!



Makes me wonder if John and Dick would have played the theaters for the lesser money...

[tabruns]

With Lindsey's return all but completely written off now and new music from the current line up appearing increasingly unlikely, it seems the last band project will forever be Buckingham McVie. Yes, I know it's not technically a Fleetwood Mac album, but for all intents and purposes if we call Say You Will a Fleetwood Mac album, we may as well call Buckingham McVie one too.

I've been listening to the album again lately and I'd forgotten just how good it is. So many of the songs and so catchy - Sleeping Around the Corner, Feel About You, Red Sun, Lay Down for Free...the epic closer Carnival Begin!

This album to me is better than Say You Will and although it's not the ending I'd hoped for (like many of us I held out hope until the last moment that Stevie would be involved), it is still a great ending.

What do you think?

I think it's pleasant but that's about it. Honestly I was hoping for more. I think a Mac album really needs both Buckingham and Nicks, there's just something about their formidable talents - especially put together with that tension. Of the 4 albums since TANGO, I think only SAY YOU WILL comes close to matching the quality of the classic albums. BEHIND THE MASK fails without Buckingham, and BUCKINGHAM MCVIE fails without Nicks, and TIME, well I think that kind of fails in general.

[jbrownsjr]

Like Mirage, every time I listen to this album it gets better. I almost always hear something on it that really impresses me. It does have that BuckVie magic I love . And this tour was unique and amazing! I think Lay Down for Free has a boring arrangement. Game of Pretend could have been much better with a little arranging, too.

What I love:

Carnival Begin is so good I cry sometimes when I hear it.

In My World is superb, and I think of him saying all this to Sleazy. Especially, the last uh ah oh.

Love Is Here To Stay is just simply magical. Those harmonies. Wow!

Feel About You is genius because of Lindsey. It's so sweet and I hated it at first listen.

Too Far Gone was amazing live. Love what Christine did with this song. You can tell she was proud of it.

I didn't miss Nicks at all. He nasal voice might have ruined this gem.

[HomerMcvie]

Like Mirage, every time I listen to this album it gets better. I almost always hear something on it that really impresses me. It does have that magic I love with them. And this tour was unique and amazing! I think Lay Down for Free has a boring arrangement. Game of Pretend could have been much better with a little arranging, too.

What I love:

Carnival Begin is so good I cry sometimes when I hear it.

In My World is superb, and I think of his saying all this to Sleazy.

Love Is Here To Stay is just simply magical. Those harmonies. Wow!

Feel About You is genius because of Lindsey. It's so sweet and I hated it at first listen.

Too Far Gone was amazing live. Love what Christine did with this song. You can tell she was proud of it.

I didn't miss Nicks at all. He nasal voice might have ruined this gem.

I LOVE it as the swan song for them. Best of all.....GOAT FREE!(of god, now I've got "Born Free" stuck in my head - someone needs to rewrite the lyrics with goat free - I don't have time right now.....). That is all. :xoxo::laugh:

[Macfan4life]

I had the CD in my car for about a year. Its been out for about a year but I recently listened and I was still impressed how good it is.

[BLY]

I had the CD in my car for about a year. Its been out for about a year but I recently listened and I was still impressed how good it is.


I just recently gave it a spin. It sounds better to me with every listen. I still BLAST it when it comes on in my car.

[button-lip]

I had the CD in my car for about a year. Its been out for about a year but I recently listened and I was still impressed how good it is.

I listen to my vinyl once a week while doing the cleaning. Of course is well damned good!!! :woohoo::blob2::blob1::woohoo::thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

I listen to my vinyl once a week while doing the cleaning. Of course is well damned good!!! :woohoo::blob2::blob1::woohoo::thumbsup:

I listen to it while dancing around naked and cleaning house. :laugh::laugh: Ok, no I don't. But, it would be funny. :wavey:

[button-lip]

I listen to it while dancing around naked and cleaning house. :laugh::laugh: Ok, no I don't. But, it would be funny. :wavey:

Haha! Oh, I bet it would be funny. :lol::lol::blob1::blob2::wavey:

[Nicks Fan]

I liked this album. I am not fussy on all the tracks ( Lay Down For Free, Carnival Begin don't do it for me) but overall it is a good 4 star record. I saw the tour in Toronto.

I liked the setlist overall but would have dropped the Lindsey solo songs in favour of either performing the two songs they didn't do from the album or doing a couple of more FM songs ( Perhaps Never Make Me Cry and Can't Go Back or Isn't it Midnight and Walk A Thin Line).

Sadly the Toronto show was so poorly attended that people on the lawn were brought up to fill in the empty seats.

I believe the reasons SN didn't participate were because 1) She has nothing new to offer and likely would have had to mine her collection of demos. Nothing wrong with that but maybe she didn't think she had anything worthy? Who knows. 2) Plus her comments about records don't sell anymore and not worth all the studio time and or money. I forget the exact quote.

What still kills me to this day is after they fired Lindsey soem of my former Facebook friends went on and on posting on Facebook saying the haters were trashing their band and not giving them a chance while at the same time trashing this very album. I truly will never get why so many **** on any lineup of FM or project featuring members of FM that doesn't include SN. She is not the SOLE reason to see FM or buy an album featuring FM members.

One of them went on a rant about the Buckingham McVie project. My thought was then why did you support the 2018 -2019 tour? They all played on and or toured the album so by supporting the tour are you not in essence supporting the band that worked with the guy you hated so much.

[tabruns]

I believe the reasons SN didn't participate were because 1) She has nothing new to offer and likely would have had to mine her collection of demos. Nothing wrong with that but maybe she didn't think she had anything worthy? Who knows. 2) Plus her comments about records don't sell anymore and not worth all the studio time and or money. I forget the exact quote.



While she's stated the latter, and that's likely part of it, I think the reason why she wouldn't do an album is she just doesn't want to work with Buckingham anymore. At the time that only extended to studio work, not touring, but that changed.

[elle]

While she's stated the latter, and that's likely part of it, I think the reason why she wouldn't do an album is she just doesn't want to work with Buckingham anymore. At the time that only extended to studio work, not touring, but that changed.

yup. when they kinda separated paths. because not making records anymore.

"What we did do when we were angry with each other, we wouldn’t talk to each other very much. But when we went out in the studio to do our parts or to come up with an idea or something, we were incredibly focused. And that was, you know, we did a lot of drugs and we were still incredibly focused. As the years went by, if we’re talking about how long that went on, that went on up until two years ago when we kind of separated paths – and I really do say Lindsey and I have separated paths. That was like, forty years, if you can even imagine. You’re not even forty yet. It’s like, forty years. We went through that, and so it’s like, they say real love never dies and I don’t think that real love does ever die, but I do think that real love can reach a place where it just can’t go on anymore. And I’m really glad that it didn’t reach that place until we had pretty much… Music had changed so much by the time it got to be two years ago, that we weren’t really making records anymore anyway. So it’s like we got everything we needed to do in that space between 1975, ​’till when we kind of broke up the original Fleetwood Mac"

[moon]

I love this album so much. It's hard to say if it's a FM album, because four of the five members of the Rumours line-up are on it.
The name says it all, even when it had lot of FM members inside. But the sound, is definitely the band's sound, even when there's no SN work on it.

Back to the songs, I really love them all. Sleeping Around The Corner, In My World and On With The Show are my favourites, but Too Far Gone, Lay Down For Free and Carnival Begin are really really great. I love when Christine rocks, and her closing track is wonderful. She had the mission to close other FM albums and didn't fail.

[elle]

I love this album so much. It's hard to say if it's a FM album, because four of the five members of the Rumours line-up are on it.
The name says it all, even when it had lot of FM members inside. But the sound, is definitely the band's sound, even when there's no SN work on it.

Back to the songs, I really love them all. Sleeping Around The Corner, In My World and On With The Show are my favourites, but Too Far Gone, Lay Down For Free and Carnival Begin are really really great. I love when Christine rocks, and her closing track is wonderful. She had the mission to close other FM albums and didn't fail.

i love all songs except In My World and Game of Pretend. and this is one of those albums i can easily listen all the way through, there are no jarring songs that you have to skip on this album.

yes, it may be very middle of the road Fleetwood Mac-y, but it is also nice and warm.

loved it then and still love it now.

i really hope for their sake that Chris and Lindsey still talk sometime, and for Chris' sake maybe do something together still. poison and toxicity of others in the band shouldn't prevail.

[SteveMacD]

I love this album so much. It's hard to say if it's a FM album, because four of the five members of the Rumours line-up are on it.

It’s absolutely a Fleetwood Mac album. If the new lineup makes an album, LBCM will be sandwiched between that and SYW in my collection.

[moon]

i really hope for their sake that Chris and Lindsey still talk sometime, and for Chris' sake maybe do something together still. poison and toxicity of others in the band shouldn't prevail.

Definitely!! Amen with that!!!

It’s absolutely a Fleetwood Mac album. If the new lineup makes an album, LBCM will be sandwiched between that and SYW in my collection.

Thinking about it, I would say YES, it is...it's not just a solo album which involved other band members. It's an album of TWO members, that involved another two more members. So...if it's something new in the future, I'll count this one.

[jbrownsjr]

It’s absolutely a Fleetwood Mac album. If the new lineup makes an album, LBCM will be sandwiched between that and SYW in my collection.

If you blindfolded me, I'd guess FMac. No doubt.

[tabruns]

It’s absolutely a Fleetwood Mac album. If the new lineup makes an album, LBCM will be sandwiched between that and SYW in my collection.

I'd say so too, even if technically (officially) not one.

[secondhandchain]

yup. when they kinda separated paths. because not making records anymore.

"What we did do when we were angry with each other, we wouldn’t talk to each other very much. But when we went out in the studio to do our parts or to come up with an idea or something, we were incredibly focused. And that was, you know, we did a lot of drugs and we were still incredibly focused. As the years went by, if we’re talking about how long that went on, that went on up until two years ago when we kind of separated paths – and I really do say Lindsey and I have separated paths. That was like, forty years, if you can even imagine. You’re not even forty yet. It’s like, forty years. We went through that, and so it’s like, they say real love never dies and I don’t think that real love does ever die, but I do think that real love can reach a place where it just can’t go on anymore. And I’m really glad that it didn’t reach that place until we had pretty much… Music had changed so much by the time it got to be two years ago, that we weren’t really making records anymore anyway. So it’s like we got everything we needed to do in that space between 1975, ​’till when we kind of broke up the original Fleetwood Mac"

where and when is that quote from?

[SteveMacD]

where and when is that quote from?

https://theface.com/audio/matty-healy-stevie-nicks-podcast-intervew-the-1975-fleetwood-mac

[bombaysaffires]

I’m really glad that it didn’t reach that place until we had pretty much… Music had changed so much by the time it got to be two years ago, that we weren’t really making records anymore anyway. So it’s like we got everything we needed to do in that space between 1975, ​’till when we kind of broke up the original Fleetwood Mac"

Wow. That says it all really, doesn't it? She was willing to finally push him out after she felt like there wasn't any more she could get (gain) from working with him.

I love how she says "we" weren't making records anymore anyway. Uh, well, the rest of your band was, and did. But perhaps after BuckVie she said, right, don't ever expect me to make another album with y'all again now....:eek:

And so, she could easily have looked at The Eagles and boy Glen was dead but they sure were touring and making lots of bucks anyway with a replacement, and lots of other bands too..... so as long as they didn't need LB for records, it had become the perfect time for her to cash in all her anger or whatever. :mad:

And by the way, Stevie, the Rumours 5 is NOT the "original" FM. :distress:

I also love how she debunks again that it was anyone's idea but hers to go to rehab the first time, though she tells it now that there WAS indeed an intervention for which she fired managers etc BUT she had already decided to go to rehab before the intervention and had made her reservation at Betty Ford etc. For YEARS she denied there was ANY intervention of any kind. Spin, pivot, spin.

[Nicks Fan]

I’m really glad that it didn’t reach that place until we had pretty much… Music had changed so much by the time it got to be two years ago, that we weren’t really making records anymore anyway. So it’s like we got everything we needed to do in that space between 1975, ​’till when we kind of broke up the original Fleetwood Mac"

Wow. That says it all really, doesn't it? She was willing to finally push him out after she felt like there wasn't any more she could get (gain) from working with him.

I love how she says "we" weren't making records anymore anyway. Uh, well, the rest of your band was, and did. But perhaps after BuckVie she said, right, don't ever expect me to make another album with y'all again now....:eek:

And so, she could easily have looked at The Eagles and boy Glen was dead but they sure were touring and making lots of bucks anyway with a replacement, and lots of other bands too..... so as long as they didn't need LB for records, it had become the perfect time for her to cash in all her anger or whatever. :mad:

And by the way, Stevie, the Rumours 5 is NOT the "original" FM. :distress:

I also love how she debunks again that it was anyone's idea but hers to go to rehab the first time, though she tells it now that there WAS indeed an intervention for which she fired managers etc BUT she had already decided to go to rehab before the intervention and had made her reservation at Betty Ford etc. For YEARS she denied there was ANY intervention of any kind. Spin, pivot, spin.

The part that got me is the way she talks about recording Tango. I read it as her saying she went to rehab and then they worked on the album. Which isn't true since we all know that they were already working on the album. There is one thing I have always wondered though. When was the RAL record actually finshed? I ask because I often wondered how much if any overlap they had in terms of recording Tango and her recording RAL.

[SteveMacD]

The part that got me is the way she talks about recording Tango. I read it as her saying she went to rehab and then they worked on the album. Which isn't true since we all know that they were already working on the album. There is one thing I have always wondered though. When was the RAL record actually finshed? I ask because I often wondered how much if any overlap they had in terms of recording Tango and her recording RAL.

Doubtful. RAL was released in November, 1985. Tango started in November, 1985. Albums are usually finished months ahead of release. Not always, as noted by “Heroes Are Hard To Find.” Then again, Stevie wasn’t in the legal fight of her life with RAL.

[elle]

I’m really glad that it didn’t reach that place until we had pretty much… Music had changed so much by the time it got to be two years ago, that we weren’t really making records anymore anyway. So it’s like we got everything we needed to do in that space between 1975, ​’till when we kind of broke up the original Fleetwood Mac"

Wow. That says it all really, doesn't it? She was willing to finally push him out after she felt like there wasn't any more she could get (gain) from working with him.

i had to laugh how she kinda made sure to have kept this shipper hope alive. there were these excited posts after that interview, going - see, i knew they were still together all the way through 2 years ago! it was just a lovers spat!
meanwhile, she had Mick doing all the dirty work in interviews about her Lindsey ouster while she's being all "pure" and talking about true love never dying but heh, it was finally time to go separate ways. ;)

[SteveMacD]

I love how she says "we" weren't making records anymore anyway.

I initially thought the same thing, but then realized she meant she and Lindsey weren’t making records anymore.

My theory is that it was over between them once Lindsey publicly shot down a Buckingham Nicks reunion tour. Under normal circumstances, that would have been the end of Fleetwood Mac, but between Christine wanting to come out of retirement and John successfully fighting cancer, the band took precedent over the personal drama (again). It bought that version of Fleetwood Mac nearly four more years and we got a studio album of sorts. However, it was obvious the Stevie-Lindsey dynamic continued to deteriorate. I don’t think there was a way for her to bring herself to record an entire album with him.

[UnwindedDreams]

My theory is that it was over between them once Lindsey publicly shot down a Buckingham Nicks reunion tour. I don’t think there was a way for her to bring herself to record an entire album with him.

Did he shoot down a BN reunion? Or did he say it would be hard to make money doing a BN reunion for a few shows, as you have to spend money to get rehearsal space and other touring expenses?

[SteveMacD]

Did he shoot down a BN reunion? Or did he say it would be hard to make money doing a BN reunion for a few shows, as you have to spend money to get rehearsal space and other touring expenses?

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/qa-stevie-nicks-and-lindsey-buckingham-reveal-lingering-tensions-in-fleetwood-mac-233617/

It’s the 40th anniversary, so it’s time to finally put it out on CD and maybe do a tour with the old band, possibly including Waddy Wachtel and the other guys.

Oh, the old band with Waddy Watchtel. Wow. Well, listen, I would love to do a tour with Stevie. I think that would be very appropriate. She was talking about doing it in between legs of a Fleetwood Mac tour, which is not going to happen. It’s logistically impossible. It’s economically suicidal because you can’t do enough touring it make it worthwhile.

Putting out Buckingham Nicks, I’m totally down with that. To do what she’s talking about, we need some bonus tracks. We need to do one from each of us. I’m totally down with that. I’m not necessarily opposed to doing that in a Fleetwood Mac set, although it hits me a little bit like we’re going off message. But did she mention any other new material to you? I bet she didn’t.

[nicepace]

As a fan primarily of Christine, I love the 'Buckingham McVie' album. "Game of Pretend," "Carnival Begin," and "On With the Show" rank way up high on my list of FM favorites.

There is more than one obvious difference between it and 'Say You Will.' Besides one of the FM women being missing from each of them, the SYW album is way, way too long, and the BMcV album is just about the right length or even a little bit too short.

When I saw the BMcV tour in Boston, I was really happy they played most of the album, and ending with "Game Of Pretend" was just perfect (no pun intended). It was a song enough like "Songbird" to leave the audience with a familiar contented feeling, but also allowed Chris and Lindsey to make a statement: this ISN'T Fleetwood Mac, and we're not playing by the usual formula.

I do agree with the poster who said playing the Buckingham solo songs to start the show was unnecessary. More FM obscurities or a solo Christine song would have been welcome.

[UnwindedDreams]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/qa-stevie-nicks-and-lindsey-buckingham-reveal-lingering-tensions-in-fleetwood-mac-233617/

It’s the 40th anniversary, so it’s time to finally put it out on CD and maybe do a tour with the old band, possibly including Waddy Wachtel and the other guys.

Well, listen, I would love to do a tour with Stevie. I think that would be very appropriate. She was talking about doing it in between legs of a Fleetwood Mac tour, which is not going to happen. It’s logistically impossible. It’s economically suicidal because you can’t do enough touring it make it worthwhile.

Putting out Buckingham Nicks, I’m totally down with that. To do what she’s talking about, we need some bonus tracks. We need to do one from each of us. I’m totally down with that.
Interesting. I didn't read that as he shot it down. Just not as doing it from July-August 2013, which is when the 2013 tour break was.
I wonder what venues they could've played at that time. I know Stevie played Fantasy Springs casino in 2013. I suppose they couldve done Jones Beaches & Hollywood Bowls types.

[John Run]

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-buckingham-mcvie-feel-about-you

I came across this article this evening. A long, detailed piece with Mark Needham. It is really fascinating if you are into how music is made, recorded, and mixed. Some general things we knew. They record a lot of the guitars and basses DI or direct into the recording console and not through amps. On the other hand they did basic track a lot of the music live - guitar, Hammond Organ, bass, drums. We also know that Lindsey loves to layer tracks. And Pro Tools have given him nearly infinite expansion capabilities.

But did we know how much ---???

Feel About You was 189 tracks including 44 drum and percussion tracks and 76 backing vocal tracks.

It is a long and for many an overly detailed read that will be boring. But I thought a few of you might enjoy it as I did.

[HomerMcvie]

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-buckingham-mcvie-feel-about-you

I came across this article this evening. A long, detailed piece with Mark Needham. It is really fascinating if you are into how music is made, recorded, and mixed. Some general things we knew. They record a lot of the guitars and basses DI or direct into the recording console and not through amps. On the other hand they did basic track a lot of the music live - guitar, Hammond Organ, bass, drums. We also know that Lindsey loves to layer tracks. And Pro Tools have given him nearly infinite expansion capabilities.

But did we know how much ---???

Feel About You was 189 tracks including 44 drum and percussion tracks and 76 backing vocal tracks.

It is a long and for many an overly detailed read that will be boring. But I thought a few of you might enjoy it as I did.

I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for sharing!!

[John Run]

I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for sharing!!

I was for sure thinking of you when I posted the link!

[jbrownsjr]

I was for sure thinking of you when I posted the link!

Very cool!! Thank you for sharing! I enjoyed it, too.

[BLY]

Very cool!! Thank you for sharing! I enjoyed it, too.


Me three. 😎

[John Run]

I am still getting over the 76 backing vocal tracks. That is some peak Buckingham
there.

[jmn3]

I am still getting over the 76 backing vocal tracks. That is some peak Buckingham
there.

I had to read that a few times to make sure I wasn't imagining the number. That's Buckingham outBuckinghaming Buckingham ffs...:nod:

[SteveMacD]

That’s a ridiculously unnecessary number of overdubs.

[FuzzyPlum]

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-buckingham-mcvie-feel-about-you

I came across this article this evening. A long, detailed piece with Mark Needham. It is really fascinating if you are into how music is made, recorded, and mixed. Some general things we knew. They record a lot of the guitars and basses DI or direct into the recording console and not through amps. On the other hand they did basic track a lot of the music live - guitar, Hammond Organ, bass, drums. We also know that Lindsey loves to layer tracks. And Pro Tools have given him nearly infinite expansion capabilities.

But did we know how much ---???

Feel About You was 189 tracks including 44 drum and percussion tracks and 76 backing vocal tracks.

It is a long and for many an overly detailed read that will be boring. But I thought a few of you might enjoy it as I did.



44 drum and percussion tracks...

'... It might be somebody tapping a hand on a couch. In fact, there are a lot of couches on these tracks!'

They stepped up from chairs to couches.

I think less may have been more. Particularly on this song....as much as I love it.

[John Run]

Every artist has the way they create art. For Lindsey it is very much building track upon track. I love that, others don't. I don't criticize Sturgill Simpson for cutting an album in 2 weeks. That is how he makes his art.

It is mind boggling how he can keep track of so many tracks. (pun intended) After all this is just one of 10 songs and god knows how many others in various states of build. What he hears is very different from what I hear, but he is for sure one of the most course driven musical ideologues of the last 40 plus years.

But when he works for someone else it can be very different. The Killers talked about how he came in laid down lots of guitars, worked his layering and varispeed penchants throughout the song and 11 hours later he was done.

I for one love the music for what he is. He makes songs that sound like no one else, in way few others do and they become distinctly his. Sure, I have my preferences, but I so appreciate his gift and am very thankful that he and Christine gave us one more round of original music that for all intensive purposes was Fleetwood Mac.

(and they even tracked as a foursome, good luck finding the basic tracks in the mix)

[nicepace]

That’s a ridiculously unnecessary number of overdubs.

I think less may have been more. Particularly on this song....as much as I love it.

I completely agree. I have loved recent Buckingham-produced music in spite of the many tracks, not because of them. As much as I love the 'Buckingham McVie' album, I wish I could hear a version of the songs with just their two voices, with nice crisp harmony.

[aleuzzi]

LB embroiders small-scale pieces the way a craftsman might bejewel a pillbox. He makes highly-sophisticated miniatures.

By comparison, Danny Kirwan’s tunes sound spontaneous.

LB’s production is largely successful, though there are misfires: on LB/CM the most blatantly unnecessary production moves are on “Game of Pretend.” That’s a beautiful song with great bones. The arrangement throughout should have stayed as plain and skeletal as it is in the verses. The thick Brian Wilson choral in the chorus sounds imposed upon the song rather than a necessary outgrowth of it.

Conversely, the thick layering of vocals on “Love Is Here to Stay” provides the tune with a stunning dynamic shift.

[John Run]

These are such red herring arguments about overdubs. It is how Lindsey builds songs, how he has always built them. Rumours era Fleetwood Mac is track upon track. Be it Go Your Own Way, Silver Springs, Sara, Gypsy, Hold Me, Everywhere, or Little Lies, it is what he does and is an intrical part to their defined and best known sound. It is his sound.

You don't have to like it, but you really don't know know this particular era of Fleetwood Mac without the layer upon layer of recorded sounds.

For what it is worth the Eagles, particualrly Frey, with the full support of Henley, were studio rats when it came to production and obsessive overdubbers too.

Of course Lindsey was the spawn of the King of tracking and overdubbing - Brian Wilson.

[HomerMcvie]

These are such red herring arguments about overdubs. It is how Lindsey builds songs, how he has always built them. Rumours era Fleetwood Mac is track upon track. Be it Go Your Own Way, Silver Springs, Sara, Gypsy, Hold Me, Everywhere, or Little Lies, it is what he does and is an intrical part to their defined and best known sound. It is his sound.

You don't have to like it, but you really don't know know this particular era of Fleetwood Mac without the layer upon layer of recorded sounds.

For what it is worth the Eagles, particualrly Frey, with the full support of Henley, were studio rats when it came to production and obsessive overdubbers too.

Of course Lindsey was the spawn of the King of tracking and overdubbing - Brian Wilson.

THIS.

Exactly. There's no such thing as too many overdubs, when we're talking Lindsey's world. I'm sure they don't all get used, but he can add different textures on different tracks, and choose which works the best, later.

This ain't some pop punk band. Thank god.

[BLY]

THIS.

Exactly. There's no such thing as too many overdubs, when we're talking Lindsey's world. I'm sure they don't all get used, but he can add different textures on different tracks, and choose which works the best, later.

This ain't some pop punk band. Thank god.

Yep!

If you listen to some of the “Alternative” tracks from the Box sets of Tusk and Mirage you can get a good sense of some of the songs that used less or more overdubs on the final released tracks.

[FuzzyPlum]

These are such red herring arguments about overdubs. It is how Lindsey builds songs, how he has always built them. Rumours era Fleetwood Mac is track upon track. Be it Go Your Own Way, Silver Springs, Sara, Gypsy, Hold Me, Everywhere, or Little Lies, it is what he does and is an intrical part to their defined and best known sound. It is his sound.

You don't have to like it, but you really don't know know this particular era of Fleetwood Mac without the layer upon layer of recorded sounds.

For what it is worth the Eagles, particualrly Frey, with the full support of Henley, were studio rats when it came to production and obsessive overdubbers too.

Of course Lindsey was the spawn of the King of tracking and overdubbing - Brian Wilson.

No problem with multiple overdubbing- its the Lindsey way and the Fleetwood Mac way.
I'd be very interested in hearing a stripped back version of Feel About You as I think that might have benefited from a simpler sound. Ditto Game of Pretend, as Aleuzzi says.

[SteveMacD]

All of those overdubs made that album sound so much better than “Fleetwood Mac,” “Rumours,” or “Tusk,” which were 24 tracks.

[John Run]

All of those overdubs made that album sound so much better than “Fleetwood Mac,” “Rumours,” or “Tusk,” which were 24 tracks.

The above is technically correct, but at the same time not accurate. They used multiple 24 track consoles for Rumours. It is complicated and time consuming to record and mix this way and technology has now certainly allowed for almost infinite multiplication of tracks, but Rumours era Fleetwood Mac was well ahead of its time in multi-tracking. The 24 tracks would end up with the equivalent of 50-60 tracks on the final 24 track mix. They cut, spliced and inserted newly recorded pieces over and within prior recordings on a track and compiled sound on top of sound without saturating the tape. Something ProTools would make far easier many years later. Of course eventually Rumours was mixed with ProTools 5.1 Surround, bringing more of these layers to our ears.

https://www.soundonsound.com/people/fleetwood-mac-go-your-own-way

[secondhandchain]

THIS.

Exactly. There's no such thing as too many overdubs, when we're talking Lindsey's world. I'm sure they don't all get used, but he can add different textures on different tracks, and choose which works the best, later.

This ain't some pop punk band. Thank god.

Lindsey's overdubs is EXACTLY WHY I LOVED THIS BAND. As a teenager I would listen on headphones and try to find hidden gems in the tapestry. He sometimes misses, but he is pure genius.

[ViscountViktor]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/qa-stevie-nicks-and-lindsey-buckingham-reveal-lingering-tensions-in-fleetwood-mac-233617/

It’s the 40th anniversary, so it’s time to finally put it out on CD and maybe do a tour with the old band, possibly including Waddy Wachtel and the other guys.

Oh, the old band with Waddy Watchtel. Wow. Well, listen, I would love to do a tour with Stevie. I think that would be very appropriate. She was talking about doing it in between legs of a Fleetwood Mac tour, which is not going to happen. It’s logistically impossible. It’s economically suicidal because you can’t do enough touring it make it worthwhile.

Putting out Buckingham Nicks, I’m totally down with that. To do what she’s talking about, we need some bonus tracks. We need to do one from each of us. I’m totally down with that. I’m not necessarily opposed to doing that in a Fleetwood Mac set, although it hits me a little bit like we’re going off message. But did she mention any other new material to you? I bet she didn’t.

This is a very interesting interview in that you can tell Lindsey's had enough of Stevie's bullsh*t for so long, it comes across so clearly.

She has destroyed any proper Fleetwood Mac creativity since Say You Will and it's still infuriating. Lindsey mentioning a potential album back in 2012 is sad to read.

[BLY]

I just listened to some tracks from this amazing Fleetwood Mac album on a road trip in the car heading home from a family gig.......

In My World
Red Sun
Carnival Begin

[jbrownsjr]

I just listened to some tracks from this amazing Fleetwood Mac album on a road trip in the car heading home from a family gig.......

In My World
Red Sun
Carnival Begin

I always reach to skip Red Sun and before I can push the button, it grabs me and I leave it on. I love the chorus.
Carnival Begin is a beautiful song. She nailed it. It doesn't get a lot of love, but the story behind it, to me, is amazing.

[HomerMcvie]

I always reach to skip Red Sun and before I can push the button, it grabs me and I leave it on. I love the chorus.
Carnival Begin is a beautiful song. She nailed it. It doesn't get a lot of love, but the story behind it, to me, is amazing.

Lay Down For Free is my only sometimes skip song. It just doesn't do it for me. Sounds like a drum machine, and I don't care for the guitar lick thingamabob. That is all.

[jbrownsjr]

Lay Down For Free is my only sometimes skip song. It just doesn't do it for me. Sounds like a drum machine, and I don't care for the guitar lick thingamabob. That is all.

The drum machine bothers me too. And he opens SYW with that same crappy drum machine too. I'm not a huge Lay Down fan. I do love the harmonies.

[HomerMcvie]

The drum machine bothers me too. And he opens SYW with that same crappy drum machine too.

Color me as one of the three people on Earth that LOVES What's The World Coming To. It's probably my favorite song on the dirge collection that is SYW.

[Macfan4life]

Color me as one of the three people on Earth that LOVES What's The World Coming To. It's probably my favorite song on the dirge collection that is SYW.
Sorry but you are not allowed to like it after all the horrible things you said about the album. Its a fantastic album opener. And of course its a fantastic song.
Oh the irony of you liking this song but dissing the album. Its like loving Second Hand News but hating Rumours :eek:

[jbrownsjr]

Sorry but you are not allowed to like it after all the horrible things you said about the album. Its a fantastic album opener. And of course its a fantastic song.
Oh the irony of you liking this song but dissing the album. Its like loving Second Hand News but hating Rumours :eek:

You're not allowed to give orders if you compare SHN to WTTCT. :sorry::xoxo:


One is a sparkling, bristling masterpiece that starts off with separation and punches you in the face with a forceful energy (in stereo).

The other is a tin can sounding drum machine followedby boring lyrics, boring melody and me personally not able to wait for the next song to start.

[cbBen]

complaint rock

[HomerMcvie]

Sorry but you are not allowed to like it after all the horrible things you said about the album. Its a fantastic album opener. And of course its a fantastic song.
Oh the irony of you liking this song but dissing the album. Its like loving Second Hand News but hating Rumours :eek:

I like WTWCT and Miranda, and that's about it. It's a depressing TURD of an album. I like Time better than SYW!!!

BuckVie is it's polar opposite! It's aural candy! It's fun, it's sweet, it's great!

I give SYW a "D", and BuckVie a "B+".

I'm so thankful for the GIFT that was Mirage II.....I mean BuckVie, as their swan song. The only thing better would be if really horrible luck hit the person who didn't participate! (how's THAT for careful wording!!!???):D

[secondhandchain]

I like WTWCT and Miranda, and that's about it. It's a depressing TURD of an album. I like Time better than SYW!!!

BuckVie is it's polar opposite! It's aural candy! It's fun, it's sweet, it's great!

I give SYW a "D", and BuckVie a "B+".

I'm so thankful for the GIFT that was Mirage II.....I mean BuckVie, as their swan song. The only thing better would be if really horrible luck hit the person who didn't participate! (how's THAT for careful wording!!!???):D

i wanted so much to love Say You will. I agree with homer and love WTWCT and Mirand. I also really like Destiny rules though I wish her nasal low voice in the beginning was fixed. I'm one of the few who like what Lindsey to to Smile at you.Put it this way, I NEVER listened to that album again after the novelty of a new FM album wore off. I actually like Not Make believe , strictly because of the interesting things LB did to it and wished it were on the album. I think LB made a mistake of trying to be to experimental. With CM gone they should have tried to make a Rumours 2 and went for the straight pop.

[secondhandchain]

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-buckingham-mcvie-feel-about-you

I came across this article this evening. A long, detailed piece with Mark Needham. It is really fascinating if you are into how music is made, recorded, and mixed. Some general things we knew. They record a lot of the guitars and basses DI or direct into the recording console and not through amps. On the other hand they did basic track a lot of the music live - guitar, Hammond Organ, bass, drums. We also know that Lindsey loves to layer tracks. And Pro Tools have given him nearly infinite expansion capabilities.

But did we know how much ---???

Feel About You was 189 tracks including 44 drum and percussion tracks and 76 backing vocal tracks.

It is a long and for many an overly detailed read that will be boring. But I thought a few of you might enjoy it as I did.

WHAT? The drums do not sound like that many. I love LB's layering but this sounds CRAZY. I bet if you deleted 80 of them you would not notice the difference. I'm a movie trailer editor and one of the mistakes of a new editor is they think they have to layer tons and tons of sound efx to make something sound cool. I had to take over one of these trailer for an editor out sick and I there was this section that had 10 sfx layered. I deleted 7 of the 10 tracks and ZERO difference. ZERO.

[secondhandchain]

ummmm....I'll be nice. It's good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0xNRbfmyg

[HomerMcvie]

ummmm....I'll be nice. It's good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0xNRbfmyg

A tad surreal, but I appreciate someone paying homage to Carnival.

[jbrownsjr]

ummmm....I'll be nice. It's good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0xNRbfmyg

:eek::eek::eek:

[bombaysaffires]

A tad surreal, but I appreciate someone paying homage to Carnival.

What. The. F*&%. Was. That. :eek::distress:

[Storms123]

I always reach to skip Red Sun and before I can push the button, it grabs me and I leave it on. I love the chorus.
Carnival Begin is a beautiful song. She nailed it. It doesn't get a lot of love, but the story behind it, to me, is amazing.


Red Sun, to me, feels like a classic FM song. I love it.

[BLY]

Red Sun, to me, feels like a classic FM song. I love it.


It is for sure a classic FM song. I love the entire album but that’s the track that you can almost think you hear Stevie on the chorus.