Keith Olsen passed away

[elle]

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/acclaimed-producer-keith-olsen-who-has-worked-with-ozzy-osbourne-whitesnake-and-scorpions-has-died/

Acclaimed Producer KEITH OLSEN, Who Has Worked With OZZY OSBOURNE, WHITESNAKE And SCORPIONS, Has Died
March 9, 2020
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Acclaimed American producer Keith Olsen, who has worked with such artists as OZZY OSBOURNE, WHITESNAKE, SCORPIONS and WARRANT, has passed away.

Olsen's death was confirmed by SCORPIONS, who wrote on their Facebook page earlier today (Monday, March 9): "We just learned about the passing of our dear friend and producer Keith Olsen. Keith produced many iconic albums, including our album 'Crazy World'. Keith was a wonderful guy, and the making of 'Crazy World' was such an inspiring journey, containing outstanding songs like 'Wind Of Change' and 'Send Me An Angel', which had the Keith Olsen touch, on every single note. Our hearts and prayers go out to his family. RIP, Keith. You live on in the music."

According to Wikipedia, Olsen was born in Sioux Falls, South Dakota and went to school in Minneapolis, where he developed an appreciation for classical, pop, and jazz music. He gained production experience working in recording studios in the Minneapolis area, and musical and touring experience playing upright bass in jazz and folk bands. He subsequently played bass as a member of the MUSIC MACHINE, which had a hit with the single "Talk Talk". During this time he began collaborating with Curt Boettcher, producer of THE ASSOCIATION's single "Cherish", and met another early influence, Brian Wilson of THE BEACH BOYS, who taught him "to envision everything about a production as you hear the song the first time."

After moving to Los Angeles, he was instrumental in launching the careers of Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. He helped them to secure a record deal, produced their first album, "Buckingham Nicks", and let them live in his house, employing Nicks as a housekeeper for a while. After introducing them to Mick Fleetwood, he went on to produce FLEETWOOD MAC's eponymous 1975 album, which reached No. 1 in the U.S.

Through the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, Olsen earned more than 39 gold, 24 platinum, and 14 multi-platinum album certifications as the producer on over 100 albums, including BAD COMPANY, EUROPE, 38 SPECIAL, SAMMY HAGAR, FOREIGNER, JOURNEY, LOVERBOY and LOU GRAMM. He was also involved in several movie soundtracks, including "Footloose", "Vision Quest", "Tron", "Flashdance" and "Top Gun".

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[bombaysaffires]

Another loss in the FM circle.

Reports are appearing that Keith Olsen (producer of BN album and the FM with album) has died.

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/keith-olsen-dead/

Acclaimed record producer Keith Olsen has died.

Though he may best be remembered for his work alongside Fleetwood Mac, the prolific music veteran teamed with a long list of artists over the course of his career, contributing to many legendary releases. Olsen's age and cause of death have not been revealed.

The Scorpions, whose 1990 LP Crazy World was produced by Olsen, were among the first to report the producer’s death. In a post to the band’s official Twitter page, the group called their fallen collaborator a “wonderful guy” who will “live on in the music.”

Born in Sioux Falls, S.D., Olsen cut his teeth in the Minneapolis music scene. He collaborated with a variety of acts from the area, eventually becoming the bass player for the Music Machine, a group best-known for their 1966 hit “Talk Talk.”

By the late ‘60s, Olsen relocated to Los Angeles, eventually becoming an engineer at the iconic Sound City Studios. "I had enough electronic training in college to know what's going on underneath the desk, enough musical training to know what should be going on top of the desk and on the other side of the glass,” the producer would later recall. “And then these opportunities to go start working with some bands started coming in.”

The first of those opportunities came with a couple of fledgling musicians, Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham. Olsen produced the duo’s self-titled 1973 LP, noting how special the artists sounded together. "There was a timbre that happened when the two voices would join that was unique,” Olsen explained. “You never heard that before. And I don't think you've heard it since. Those two voices sing like that and sound like that for a reason-they were meant to sing together."

In 1974, Mick Fleetwood chose Sound City to record the next Fleetwood Mac album. While visiting the studio, Olsen played Fleetwood a track from the Buckingham Nicks LP. “He put on a song called 'Frozen Love' from the Buckingham Nicks album, just to demonstrate his own prowess in the studio, and what the studio sounded like,” Buckingham recalled. “So Mick is sitting there listening to this song, and uh, one thing led to another and Stevie and I, very shortly, were members of the band."

Olsen would go on to produce Fleetwood Mac’s 1975 self-titled LP. The album, featuring such classic hits as “Rhiannon,” “Say You Love Me” and “Landslide” would hit No. 1 on the Billboard chart, eventually selling more than seven million copies in the U.S..

Fleetwood Mac’s massive success opened doors for Olsen, making him one of the most in-demand producers in music. Over the ensuing years, he’d work with a bevy of vaunted artists, including Heart, Whitesnake, Santana, Rick Springfield, REO Speedwagon, Ozzy Osbourne, Bad Company, Joe Walsh and Jethro Tull.

Notable releases among Olsen’s impressive resume´ include the Grateful Dead’s Terrapin Station (1977), Foreigner’s Double Vision (1978), Pat Benatar’s Crimes of Passion (1980), Sammy Hagar’s Three Lock Box (1982), Osbourne's No Rest for the Wicked (1988) and Whitesnake's self-titled 1987 album, which featured the smash hits "Here I Go Again" and "Still of the Night."

According to his website, Olsen produced more than 120 albums in total, with 24 earning platinum certification or better. The site goes on to note that “sales from Keith Olsen’s work exceeds 125 million units at retail, equaling more than a billion dollars in business.” The producer also earned six Grammy awards over the course of his career.

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1) My amazing and talented friend Keith Olsen has passed away. Such a gifted producer. And later on a wonderful guy. Ha, ha... he could be a bit of a pistol in the studio but that was part of his talent. Sticking to his guns when some whiny artist (me) would say, "I don’t think
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2) that works." He didn't produce all those hits for all those musicians for no reason. He had a golden ear and helped so many people reach their potential. I remember playing him my demos and he picked “Jessie’s Girl” out of a batch of 15 songs and said "This is a hit.”
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3) I doubted him and thought there were better songs in my demo reel. Proof right there of his gift. May God give your spirit the peace and joy and the rest it deserves. You were a star maker in so many ways. God bless your memory my friend. ♥️
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[bombaysaffires]

Scorpions
3 hours ago
We just learned about the passing of our dear friend and producer Keith Olsen ....
Keith produced many iconic albums, including our album Crazy World ... Keith was a wonderful guy, and the making of Crazy World was such an inspiring journey, containing outstanding songs like "Wind of Change" and "Send me an Angel", which had the Keith Olsen touch, on every single note .... our hearts and prayers go out to his family .... RIP Keith .... You live on in the Music .... ‪Scorpions‬

[bombaysaffires]

looks like I must have been typing up my post while you posted.

Sad news.

The FM circle continues getting smaller.

[cbBen]

Featured prominently in this documentary on Sound City Studios. Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick are also included: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kREXK5sVjQ4

[vivfox]

"Send me an Angel"

Great song

[bombaysaffires]

prior to the firing, you'd wonder if Stevie and Lindsey would possibly communicate with each other about this. Clearly not now. It does raise the question of how they will handle things when the first of the Rumours 5 goes.... will we see people banned from any memorial services, or people feeling they would like to go but can't? :shrug:

[Macfan4life]

Very sad. Does anyone know if he was sick or this was unexpected.
He had just released his book

[jbrownsjr]

Very sad to read this. :distress:

[sleepless child]

Very surprising and sad news. I wonder what we will hear from the Mac?

[elle]

Scorpions
3 hours ago
We just learned about the passing of our dear friend and producer Keith Olsen ....
Keith produced many iconic albums, including our album Crazy World ... Keith was a wonderful guy, and the making of Crazy World was such an inspiring journey, containing outstanding songs like "Wind of Change" and "Send me an Angel", which had the Keith Olsen touch, on every single note .... our hearts and prayers go out to his family .... RIP Keith .... You live on in the Music .... ‪Scorpions‬

frankly - that there are all these nice immediate reactions and messages from Scorpions, Rick Springfield and others on social media about Keith, but nothing from the Mac, Stevie or Lindsey just shows the sad state of these people.

ok, yes, Lindsey is not using his social media since heart attack, so maybe he can be given some slack. maybe.

but Mick, Stevie, and Fleetwood Mac are using it whenever they have something to sell. yet nothing about probably the most significant person responsible for their coming together and success they had since 1975.

[sue]

Honestly, these people nowadays are t*****s.
It makes me begin to question why I ever really liked them.
Can I love their music but no longer like them.....yes.

Very sad to hear about Keith.

[jbrownsjr]

Honestly, these people nowadays are t*****s.
It makes me begin to question why I ever really liked them.
Can I love their music but no longer like them.....yes.

Very sad to hear about Keith.


Very sad, indeed. Sort of a 'swing and a miss' with B/N album. (even though I love the album and the production)


I love the white album. The re-do of Crystal shows his vision and adding Christine into the mix making them the super power that they are today.

Those hits rose up the charts slowly but surely.

[Villavic]

Can I love their music but no longer like them.....yes.
.

Of course you can. Lot of people love Maradona's soccer play but can't stand the guy.

[sue]

Of course you can. Lot of people love Maradona's soccer play but can't stand the guy.

That’s a tough one....”The hand of God”..??

[bombaysaffires]

frankly - that there are all these nice immediate reactions and messages from Scorpions, Rick Springfield and others on social media about Keith, but nothing from the Mac, Stevie or Lindsey just shows the sad state of these people.

ok, yes, Lindsey is not using his social media since heart attack, so maybe he can be given some slack. maybe.

but Mick, Stevie, and Fleetwood Mac are using it whenever they have something to sell. yet nothing about probably the most significant person responsible for their coming together and success they had since 1975.

Yep. Where's Mick?? He wants all the credit for "finding" S&L but Keith played a crucial role in that. And as others have said, then producing the white album which was the biggest album they'd had since Peter. And not a single tweet, when they have social media people??

I've always wondered what the story was behind them not continuing to work with Keith on the follow up to the white album. Was he not available to do Rumours or did they think Ken and Richard had some magic Keith didn't have??:shrug:

[Villavic]

I've always wondered what the story was behind them not continuing to work with Keith on the follow up to the white album. Was he not available to do Rumours or did they think Ken and Richard had some magic Keith didn't have??:shrug:

In Mick’s first book the last mention of Keith is “So in February 1975, we went over to Sound City to record, with Keith Olsen as engineer”.

Before that the first mention of Richard Dashut is where he is telling the Buckingham Nicks story: "Eventually one of the partners got a deal with Polydor Records, and that's how Stevie and Lindsey came to record their album, Buckingham Nicks, at Sound City, Keith Olsen's studio in the Valley.The assistant engineer on those recording sessions was Richard Dashut. Eventually he became Fleetwood Mac's esteemed coproducer and one of my dearest friends. He enters our tale here in his role as Lindsey's main conspirator in the studio".

It seems Richard introduced Ken to the band: "I wasn't sure I could handle it, so I brought in a friend, Ken Caillat from L.A., to help me, and we started coproducing. Mick gave me and Ken each an old Chinese I Ching coin and said, good luck."


Not enough info to fill the blanks, about Keith.

[aleuzzi]

Without Keith Olsen, there would have been no Rumours lineup. It's that simple. He and his studio brokered the way for Buckingham Nicks to join them. He also happened to produce some of the most iconic FM songs in their entire catalog. "Rhiannon," "Say You Love Me," and "Over My Head all benefit greatly from the production, where the bass and drums are featured prominently in the mix, where less is more in every aspect of the arrangements.

[bombaysaffires]

Without Keith Olsen, there would have been no Rumours lineup. It's that simple. He and his studio brokered the way for Buckingham Nicks to join them. He also happened to produce some of the most iconic FM songs in their entire catalog. "Rhiannon," "Say You Love Me," and "Over My Head all benefit greatly from the production, where the bass and drums are featured prominently in the mix, where less is more in every aspect of the arrangements.

this sadly was lost with each progressive album, to the point where you can hardly hear John in most mixes. A shocking (and welcome) exception to this finally was on the SYW version of Smile At You.

[FuzzyPlum]

In Mick’s first book the last mention of Keith is “So in February 1975, we went over to Sound City to record, with Keith Olsen as engineer”.

Before that the first mention of Richard Dashut is where he is telling the Buckingham Nicks story: "Eventually one of the partners got a deal with Polydor Records, and that's how Stevie and Lindsey came to record their album, Buckingham Nicks, at Sound City, Keith Olsen's studio in the Valley.The assistant engineer on those recording sessions was Richard Dashut. Eventually he became Fleetwood Mac's esteemed coproducer and one of my dearest friends. He enters our tale here in his role as Lindsey's main conspirator in the studio".

It seems Richard introduced Ken to the band: "I wasn't sure I could handle it, so I brought in a friend, Ken Caillat from L.A., to help me, and we started coproducing. Mick gave me and Ken each an old Chinese I Ching coin and said, good luck."


Not enough info to fill the blanks, about Keith.


Bob Brunning:

'...the band had dispensed with the services of Keith Olsen, the producer responsible for Buckingham Nicks and Fleetwood Mac. Mick Fleetwood and John McVie favoured a rhythm section sound for the new album which emphasised their playing more than Keith liked, so they decided to use Richard Dashut and his colleague, Ken Caillat.'

I don't think there was any major falling out, though who knows, there might have been. Normally Mick likes keeping with what (and who) he knows.

[David]

I think Ken addresses Keith’s departure from the picture prior to Rumours in one of his books (I guess the book about Rumours), but damned if I can remember. Brunning’s explanation sounds legit. The decision boiled down to a preference for a certain kind of mix. Or maybe they wanted a producer-slash-engineer, someone to hang out with them for months.

[Steviegirl]

I cannot get past this sickening display of disrespect and callousness. We know that they're all very old. Is it possible--PLEASE tell me it's possible--that none of the five have said anything because they think social media is the wrong forum for acknowledging the passing of a very special person; indeed, one of the most significant figures in their lives AND in the legend of the band. What other explanation can there be? It's sad and unconscionable.

[BLY]

I cannot get past this sickening display of disrespect and callousness. We know that they're all very old. Is it possible--PLEASE tell me it's possible--that none of the five have said anything because they think social media is the wrong forum for acknowledging the passing of a very special person; indeed, one of the most significant figures in their lives AND in the legend of the band. What other explanation can there be? It's sad and unconscionable.

I think it’s very personal and none of them need to make a “public” comment about their dear friends passing.

[TheWildHeart67]

Why does every single thread have to contain hateful comments? This is why so many members no longer frequent the ledge. RIP Keith 😓

[bombaysaffires]

I think it’s very personal and none of them need to make a “public” comment about their dear friends passing.

didn't stop them (Stevie) from commenting on Tom Petty's death. Or Prince's death. oh....wait....we could cash in on those and get attention for ourselves:nod: Or even Glen Frey's passing for that matter.

we just don't comment on anything to do with people below a certain level of fame. we are, after all, LEGENDS.

[HomerMcvie]

didn't stop them (Stevie) from commenting on Tom Petty's death. Or Prince's death. oh....wait....we could cash in on those and get attention for ourselves:nod: Or even Glen Frey's passing for that matter.

we just don't comment on anything to do with people below a certain level of fame. we are, after all, LEGENDS.

Exactly!

Sleazy Nicks only cares about what garners her media attention. #legend? #pos

[Macfan4life]

I think it’s very personal and none of them need to make a “public” comment about their dear friends passing.
I agree. The people in this band are old school and don't have active twitter accounts that post daily feelings like the generation of today.
Its crazy to judge someone because they did not post their feelings on twitter.

There is enough to attack this band on lately but this is not one of them.

[Villavic]

I agree. The people in this band are old school and don't have active twitter accounts that post daily feelings like the generation of today.
Its crazy to judge someone because they did not post their feelings on twitter.

There is enough to attack this band on lately but this is not one of them.

I agree. Did I expect a public comment from the band (/members)? Yes. Are they obligated? No. Should they be judged for not posting on social networks? No. My opinion.

[cbBen]

Further to some of the above, per his autobiography years later, on the passing of his former producer Jack Nitzsche (who co-produced his biggest-selling album Harvest), Neil Young issued no public statement but sent condolences and flowers privately.

We don't know what anyone has done privately and, in some sense, something private is more meaningful because there is no public credit as such to be gained from it.

[elle]

didn't stop them (Stevie) from commenting on Tom Petty's death. Or Prince's death. oh....wait....we could cash in on those and get attention for ourselves:nod: Or even Glen Frey's passing for that matter.

we just don't comment on anything to do with people below a certain level of fame. we are, after all, LEGENDS.

I love how most posters after you ignored the facts that you so aptly reminded us of. Yes, band members publicly expressed how sad they were about Petty, Prince or Frey. Keith Olsen was a huge producer behind the scenes but doesn’t have the same level of fame so nothing to cash out for those sad humans in FM there.

[Macfan4life]

I love how most posters after you ignored the facts that you so aptly reminded us of. Yes, band members publicly expressed how sad they were about Petty, Prince or Frey. Keith Olsen was a huge producer behind the scenes but doesn’t have the same level of fame so nothing to cash out for those sad humans in FM there.
There is a difference that is not being mentioned beyond no one having active twitter accounts (except for maybe Lindsey).
When Petty died, the world got Stevie's thoughts and words because she was at events and people shoved a microphone in her face asking her about Petty. She was not on tour that she could make stage statements. This band just got home and on hiatus.
Petty was a huge star. Few people in the media even know who Keith Olsen is.
I am sure they care but deal with it in their own way.
Good grief, Mick's mom died while the band was on tour. Mick never mentioned it and neither did the band. Do we really think they did not care because they did not put out public statements? Society today seems to demand instant statements as well as want to cancel people for misstatements.

Chill everyone.

[michelej1]

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/03/keith-olsen-producer-dies/

R.I.P. Keith Olsen, Producer of Fleetwood Mac, Ozzy Osbourne, Scorpions Albums Dies

Olsen famously introduced Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks to Mick Fleetwood

Keith Olsen, who produced notable albums by Fleetwood Mac, Scorpions, Ozzy Osbourne, Rick Springfield, and many more artists, has passed away. At this time, no cause of death has been revealed.


The news of Olsen’s passing was reported by Scorpions, who wrote on Facebook, “We just learned about the passing of our dear friend and producer Keith Olsen. Keith produced many iconic albums, including our album Crazy World.”


The veteran hard rock band added, “Keith was a wonderful guy, and the making of Crazy World was such an inspiring journey, containing outstanding songs like ‘Wind of Change’ and ‘Send Me an Angel,’ which had the Keith Olsen touch on every single note.”

Olsen, who was born in South Dakota, first made a name for himself as the bassist in the proto-punk garage band The Music Machine, who scored a hit in 1966 with the song “Talk Talk”. After the band broke up in 1969, he turned his attention toward production.

He proved to be a key figure in the career path of Fleetwood Mac. First he produced the 1973 album Buckingham Nicks, the self-titled effort from Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. After that, he introduced the pair to Mick Fleetwood, who brought them in as members of Fleetwood Mac, ushering in a new era of the band. Olsen then produced Fleetwood Mac’s 1975 self-titled effort, a seven-times platinum LP that contains such classics as “Rhiannon” and “Landslide”.

Olsen also made a name for himself in the world of hard rock. In addition to Scorpions’ Crazy World, he produced such albums as Whitesnake’s multiplatinum 1987 self-titled LP; Ozzy Osbourne’s No Rest for the Wicked; Foreigner’s Double Vision; Heart’s Passionworks; and countless others.

Rick Springfield also paid tribute to Olsen, crediting him with identifying his biggest hit early on in the recording process. “My amazing and talented friend Keith Olsen has passed away,” wrote Springfield on Facebook. “He didn’t produce all those hits for all those musicians for no reason. He had a golden ear and helped so many people reach their potential. I remember playing him my demos and he picked ‘Jessie’s Girl’ out of a batch of 15 songs and said, ‘This is a hit.’”

Olsen also produced some notable film soundtracks, including Flashdance and Footloose, and mixed the Top Gun soundtrack.

See Keith Olsen performing bass on “Talk Talk” with his band The Music Machine in the video below.

[michelej1]

https://www.loudersound.com/news/fleetwood-mac-ozzy-osbourne-and-scorpions-producer-keith-olsen-dead

Fleetwood Mac, Ozzy Osbourne and Scorpions producer Keith Olsen dead
By Scott Munro (Classic Rock) 2 days ago

Acclaimed producer who also worked with artists including Whitesnake, Heart, Foreigner and Emerson, Lake & Palmer has died

Acclaimed music producer Keith Olsen has died.

The news was confirmed by Scorpions, who worked with Olsen on their Crazy World album in 1990.

The band say: “We just learned about the passing of our dear friend and producer Keith Olsen. Keith produced many iconic albums, including our album Crazy World.

“Keith was a wonderful guy, and the making of Crazy World was such an inspiring journey, containing outstanding songs like Wind Of Change and Send Me An Angel, which had the Keith Olsen touch on every single note.

“Our hearts and prayers go out to his family. RIP Keith. You live on in the music."

Olsen was behind the desk for the 1973 Buckingham Nicks album which led to Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks joining Fleetwood Mac. Olsen would go on to produce Fleetwood Mac’s second eponymous album in 1975.

He also worked with a range of other artists in the rock and metal world, including Ozzy Osbourne on No Rest For The Wicked, Whitesnake’s 1987 and Slip Of The Tongue, Heart’s Passionworks, Foreigner’s Double Vision, Magnum’s Goodnight LA, Emerson, Lake & Palmer's In The Hot Seat, and Sammy Hagar on his 1982 album Standing Hampton and its follow-up Three Lock Box.

Whitesnake’s David Coverdale paid tribute to Olsen on Twitter, saying simply: “Keith Olsen. RIP dear friend.”

Rick Springfield, who worked with Olsen on the hit single Jessie’s Girl in 1981, said: “My amazing and talented friend Keith Olsen has passed away. Such a gifted producer. And later on a wonderful guy. Ha, ha!

“He could be a bit of a pistol in the studio but that was part of his talent. Sticking to his guns when some whiny artist – me – would say, ‘I don’t think that works.’

“He didn't produce all those hits for all those musicians for no reason. He had a golden ear and helped so many people reach their potential. I remember playing him my demos and he picked Jessie’s Girl out of a batch of 15 songs and said, ‘This is a hit.’

“I doubted him and thought there were better songs in my demo reel. Proof right there of his gift. May God give your spirit the peace and joy and the rest it deserves. You were a star maker in so many ways. God bless your memory my friend.”

No cause of death has been revealed.

[bombaysaffires]

There is a difference that is not being mentioned beyond no one having active twitter accounts (except for maybe Lindsey).
When Petty died, the world got Stevie's thoughts and words because she was at events and people shoved a microphone in her face asking her about Petty. She was not on tour that she could make stage statements. This band just got home and on hiatus.
Petty was a huge star. Few people in the media even know who Keith Olsen is.
I am sure they care but deal with it in their own way.
Good grief, Mick's mom died while the band was on tour. Mick never mentioned it and neither did the band. Do we really think they did not care because they did not put out public statements? Society today seems to demand instant statements as well as want to cancel people for misstatements.

Chill everyone.

Um, it wasn't the press putting up huge backdrops of Petty during an entire tour. Or telling stories about Prince on tour.

And clearly enough people knew who Keith was that there are articles about him in not just trade publications but popular music publications and websites. He helped make many, many bands hits. They all were able to take one minute out of their day to publicly acknowledge him.
And is that the criteria for acknowledging the death of people who played a critical role in making you a star? They have to be famous enough to be acknowledged??

Mick's mother wasn't in the business. Neither were Stevie's mom and dad. Yet she acknowledged their passing and included mentions of them in her shows. Keith produced Rhiannon and Landslide, and actually helped work on them for the planned second BN album. So yeah, it would seem fitting that she could make an Instagram or Twitter or website mention of his passing. (If she were on tour I'd expect her to say something about him before performing either one of those songs and thanking him)

[sleepless child]

I am very surprised no one in the band has mentioned Keith's passing. I would have thought Stevie or Lindsey would have said something. Keith produced Buckingham/Nicks and also The White Album. He was very important in their early start and them joining Fleetwood Mac.

[David]

Gotta hand it to Ken Caillat: in both of his recent books, he adds a remembrance page and lists the Mac family who have died. I don’t think I’d have known otherwise that people such as Gabrielle Arras, Curry Grant, and Greg Thomason had died.

[Macfan4life]

Um, it wasn't the press putting up huge backdrops of Petty during an entire tour. Or telling stories about Prince on tour.

And clearly enough people knew who Keith was that there are articles about him in not just trade publications but popular music publications and websites. He helped make many, many bands hits. They all were able to take one minute out of their day to publicly acknowledge him.
And is that the criteria for acknowledging the death of people who played a critical role in making you a star? They have to be famous enough to be acknowledged??

Mick's mother wasn't in the business. Neither were Stevie's mom and dad. Yet she acknowledged their passing and included mentions of them in her shows. Keith produced Rhiannon and Landslide, and actually helped work on them for the planned second BN album. So yeah, it would seem fitting that she could make an Instagram or Twitter or website mention of his passing. (If she were on tour I'd expect her to say something about him before performing either one of those songs and thanking him)
According to that logic, you have no right to criticize anyone in the Mac for not giving public statements. The next time they tour and if they give statements like Stevie did over a year after Prince's death from the stage and Petty tribute 2 years after Petty's death then we can call it even ;) People are flaming them for not tweeting and giving instant public statements. That's different than stage tributes years later. Keith pretty much always spoke highly of the band. I don't need public statements to know they cared for Keith. But I guess some do.

This conversation sort of reminds me of the twitter batter between Perez Hilton and Kris Jenner the night that Kaitlyn came out. Perez freaked out and blasted Kris because she was the only person not publicly saying anything of support. Eventually Kris fired back a big F. U. Perez how she and her former husband had private words that the world did not need to hear. But yes she did support Kaitlyn.

This instant twitter world is destroying the world. We even had democrat candidates for president answer debate questions in 8th grade Spanish to please only the twitterverse. Whether Mick's mother was in the business or not is not the point. Mick did not feel the need to talk to the fans that night from the stage, tweet anything or put out statements. The point is the same. You should not have to constantly put out statements about your feelings on current events or other issues. If you want to, I respect that too but I surely am not going to flame anyone for it. I respect privacy.

[bombaysaffires]

According to that logic, you have no right to criticize anyone in the Mac for not giving public statements. The next time they tour and if they give statements like Stevie did over a year after Prince's death from the stage and Petty tribute 2 years after Petty's death then we can call it even ;) People are flaming them for not tweeting and giving instant public statements. That's different than stage tributes years later. Keith pretty much always spoke highly of the band. I don't need public statements to know they cared for Keith. But I guess some do.

This conversation sort of reminds me of the twitter batter between Perez Hilton and Kris Jenner the night that Kaitlyn came out. Perez freaked out and blasted Kris because she was the only person not publicly saying anything of support. Eventually Kris fired back a big F. U. Perez how she and her former husband had private words that the world did not need to hear. But yes she did support Kaitlyn.

This instant twitter world is destroying the world. We even had democrat candidates for president answer debate questions in 8th grade Spanish to please only the twitterverse. Whether Mick's mother was in the business or not is not the point. Mick did not feel the need to talk to the fans that night from the stage, tweet anything or put out statements. The point is the same. You should not have to constantly put out statements about your feelings on current events or other issues. If you want to, I respect that too but I surely am not going to flame anyone for it. I respect privacy.

It has nothing to do with social media. It has to do with having a modicum of class. Someone who was critical in your career and becoming a star dies, it is not unheard of now nor was it unheard of twenty years ago, to issue a short statement thru your management or PR or whomever saying "we were saddened to learn of the passing of Keith Olsen. Keith played an instrumental role in the early years of our music, producing the BN album and the first FM 5 album. We send our condolences to his family at this time". I mean jeebus that's actual boilerplate statement verbiage right there.

No one expects them to carry on for years (which SN did about Tom, which is sort of understandable, and about Prince which is just kinda weird). Again, Rick Springfield issued a nice statement, the Scorpions, and a bunch of other bands. It's respectful to his family who are justifiably proud of his accomplishments. Mick should say something like "I'll always be grateful to Keith for introducing me to Lindsey and Stevie" and either Stevie or Lindsey should say something about "Keith was pivotal in making our first ever album and our joining FM". Short, sweet, respectful. I'm disappointed in all of those three for saying nothing.

[HomerMcvie]

Gotta hand it to Ken Caillat: in both of his recent books, he adds a remembrance page and lists the Mac family who have died. I don’t think I’d have known otherwise that people such as Gabrielle Arras, Curry Grant, and Greg Thomason had died.

Curry Grant is dead? Does he know? Is he really gone?

He was tagged in a post 21 days ago. I mean, if I was dead, I'd probably like to know!:lol:

[sue]

[QUOTE=HomerMcvie;1256778]Curry Grant is dead? Does he know? Is he really gone?[/


Thanks, Homer.....
I’m watching a god awful news programme about the virus, and you made me smile...

[HomerMcvie]

[QUOTE=HomerMcvie;1256778]Curry Grant is dead? Does he know? Is he really gone?[/


Thanks, Homer.....
I’m watching a god awful news programme about the virus, and you made me smile...

You're welcome. :xoxo: I'm trying to decide if it's worth the risk to go out and have a couple drinks at the neighborhood pub.

[jbrownsjr]

[QUOTE=sue;1256780]

You're welcome. :xoxo: I'm trying to decide if it's worth the risk to go out and have a couple drinks at the neighborhood pub.

You've been exposed to much worse. :lol:

[elle]

There is a difference that is not being mentioned beyond no one having active twitter accounts (except for maybe Lindsey).
When Petty died, the world got Stevie's thoughts and words because she was at events and people shoved a microphone in her face asking her about Petty. She was not on tour that she could make stage statements. This band just got home and on hiatus.
Petty was a huge star. Few people in the media even know who Keith Olsen is.
nice try at an excuse but no - band members had social media posts about Petty, Prince, Frey.

the fact that Keith Olsen was so hugely influential and significant for Fleetwood Mac but not nearly as well known is exactly the reason why they should publicly express and acknowledge him. :thumbsup:

i don't care what they feel personally, we already know they are not nice people, but it was the right thing to do.

[elle]

Gotta hand it to Ken Caillat: in both of his recent books, he adds a remembrance page and lists the Mac family who have died. I don’t think I’d have known otherwise that people such as Gabrielle Arras, Curry Grant, and Greg Thomason had died.

yes. he also posted about Keith Olsen on his social media.

[HomerMcvie]

yes. he also posted about Keith Olsen on his social media.

I regularly "snooze" Ken. He's too obsessively ranting about politics, all too often.

[HomerMcvie]

[QUOTE=HomerMcvie;1256781]

You've been exposed to much worse. :lol:

I saw Sleazy bellowing her goat noises one too many times.

[michelej1]

Maybe Mick is mad at Keith for introducing him to Lindsey. The audacity of playing Frozen Love like that and, effectively, ruining Mick’s life.

[vivfox]

Maybe Mick is mad at Keith for introducing him to Lindsey. The audacity of playing Frozen Love like that and, effectively, ruining Mick’s life.

It's refreshing to see your sense of humor has resurfaced.:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe Mick is mad at Keith for introducing him to Lindsey. The audacity of playing Frozen Love like that and, effectively, ruining Mick’s life.

I seriously doubt that FM would have gone on much longer after Bob left.

If Keith hadn't put them together.....

It's too bad that they don't care. Douchebags, they are.



BTW, we've often speculated what might have happened to Stevie if FM hadn't happened...WHAT would have happened to Dick if FM had fallen apart? What else could he do? Hold street lights for a living? Scare away crows out of cornfields?

[michelej1]

Mick would’ve gone on to be the drummer in someone else’s band, but he wouldn’t have had the power, prestige or the money that he enjoyed with his own.

[jbrownsjr]

Maybe Mick is mad at Keith for introducing him to Lindsey. The audacity of playing Frozen Love like that and, effectively, ruining Mick’s life.

It destroyed both parties. Because Buckingham/Nicks was going somewhere!!! That first album lit the world up!! They didn't need John, Christine or Mick!! :laugh:

[michelej1]

It destroyed both parties. Because Buckingham/Nicks was going somewhere!!! That first album lit the world up!! They didn't need John, Christine or Mick!! :laugh:

But Lindsey really does feel that way. No joke.

His concert will probably be postponed due to the current state of events. However, whenever he does return to the stage I hope he mentions Keith.

[bombaysaffires]

But Lindsey really does feel that way. No joke.

His concert will probably be postponed due to the current state of events. However, whenever he does return to the stage I hope he mentions Keith.

you took the words right out of my fingers.

The reality is, Lindsey (and Stevie) would have done better without Mick than vice versa. He should posthumously be kissing Keith's ass.

[mitzo]

FM has not commented on Keith's passing. Lindsey has not either.

[bombaysaffires]

FM has not commented on Keith's passing. Lindsey has not either.

shame on all.

[elle]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/arts/music/keith-olsen-dies.html?auth=login-facebook

Keith Olsen, Rock Hitmaker With a Broad Résumé, Dies at 74

He worked on albums by the Grateful Dead, Santana, Pat Benatar and Whitesnake. He also brought Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham to Fleetwood Mac.


The record producer Keith Olsen in 1990. He worked with a roster of successful artists that ran rock’s gamut.
Credit...Niels van Iperen/Getty Images
Daniel E. Slotnik
By Daniel E. Slotnik
March 12, 2020

Keith Olsen, a record producer whose slew of hits included the first Fleetwood Mac album with Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, whom he helped bring into the band, died on Monday at his home in Genoa, Nev. He was 74.

His daughter Kelly Castady said the cause was cardiac arrest.

Mr. Olsen worked with a roster of successful artists that ran rock’s gamut, including the Grateful Dead, Santana, Pat Benatar, Whitesnake and Scorpions.

Early in his career he produced “Buckingham Nicks” (1973), a folk-rock album by the then little-known Ms. Nicks and Mr. Buckingham. The album, on which Ms. Nicks sang and Mr. Buckingham sang and played guitar, flopped, but, as many accounts have it, Mr. Olsen played one of the songs for Mick Fleetwood, Fleetwood Mac’s drummer.

Fleetwood Mac, which began in the late 1960s in England as a psychedelic blues-rock combo, had undergone many lineup changes in the years since their guitarist and frontman Peter Green left in 1970. After Bob Welch left the band in 1974, Mr. Fleetwood was looking for a new guitarist, and thought he might have found him after hearing “Buckingham Nicks.”

Soon after, Ms. Nicks told The Observer of London in 2011, “Mick Fleetwood had asked us to join Fleetwood Mac, sight unseen. Keith Olsen had played him ‘Buckingham Nicks,’ and told him Lindsey and I came as a pair.”

Mr. Olsen produced the first album with the new lineup (although the cover pictured only Mr. Fleetwood and John McVie, the group’s bassist). Called simply “Fleetwood Mac” (1975), it had a soft-rock sound that marked a departure from the group’s harder-edged blues roots.

ImageThe 1975 album “Fleetwood Mac,” which Mr. Olsen produced, reached No. 1 on the Billboard album chart and went platinum many times over.
The 1975 album “Fleetwood Mac,” which Mr. Olsen produced, reached No. 1 on the Billboard album chart and went platinum many times over.
In Dave Grohl’s documentary “Sound City” (2013), about the Los Angeles recording studio where that and many other seminal rock albums were recorded, Mr. Olsen said that Mr. McVie had been a bit reluctant to embrace their new sound.

“John McVie said to me, ‘You know we’re a blues band, this is really far away from the blues,’” Mr. Olsen recalled. “And I said, ‘I know, but it’s a lot closer to the bank.’”

“Fleetwood Mac,” which included the hits “Rhiannon,” “Say You Love Me” and “Landslide,” reached No. 1 on the Billboard album chart and went platinum many times over. The follow-up, “Rumours” (1977), was even more successful — it became one of the best-selling albums of all time — but the group and Mr. Olsen parted ways after “Fleetwood Mac.”

Mr. Olsen went on to produce or co-produce “Terrapin Station” (1977) for the Grateful Dead, “Marathon” (1979) for Santana, “Crimes of Passion” (1980) and “Precious Time” (1981) for Ms. Benatar, “Slide It In” (1984) and “Whitesnake” (1987) for Whitesnake, “Crazy World” (1990) for Scorpions and “No Rest for the Wicked” (1988) for Ozzy Osbourne, among many other albums.

He also produced singles that stood out, like Rick Springfield’s 1981 No. 1 hit “Jessie’s Girl.” Mr. Springfield wrote on Twitter that Mr. Olsen, who produced “Working Class Dog” (1981), the album on which “Jessie’s Girl” appeared, immediately picked it as a hit out of 15 of Mr. Springfield’s songs.

“He could be a bit of a pistol in the studio but that was part of his talent,” Mr. Springfield wrote. “Sticking to his guns when some whiny artist (me) would say, ‘I don’t think that works.’ He didn’t produce all those hits for all those musicians for no reason."

Keith Alan Olsen was born on May 12, 1945, in Sioux Falls, S.D., to Kenneth and Lillian (Aune) Olsen. His father worked for Firestone Tire and Rubber, and his mother was a homemaker. He grew up in a suburb of Minneapolis and was fascinated with music of all kinds from a young age.

He studied music at the University of Minnesota but left to play bass in different bands and toured with the singer Gale Garnett before joining the Music Machine, a garage-rock group that had a Top 20 hit with “Talk Talk” in 1966.

Around the same time he started working with Curt Boettcher, best known for producing the Association’s No. 1 hit “Cherish.” In the late 1960s he moved to Los Angeles, where he learned more about record production from the Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson among others. In the early 1970s founded the production company Pogologo, named after his husky.

Mr. Olsen’s marriage to Wendy Bergdoll ended in divorce.

In addition to his daughter Kelly, he is survived by another daughter, Kristen Olsen; his partner, Janice Godshalk; a son, Nick Hormel; a sister, Carolyn Hoffman; and two grandchildren.

In 1997 Mr. Olsen told the magazine Studio Sound that even as production technology advanced, he stuck to one core principle: “Remember the source — where the music comes from.”

“All the gear in the world,” he continued, “cannot make a bad guitar player play great.”

[jbrownsjr]

But Lindsey really does feel that way. No joke.

His concert will probably be postponed due to the current state of events. However, whenever he does return to the stage I hope he mentions Keith.

Funny how two of the hits on that album are Christine's.

[SteveMacD]

The reality is, Lindsey (and Stevie) would have done better without Mick than vice versa.
Sure.

Fleetwood Mac had already sold 1.5-2 million albums and had just had a Top 40 album with HAHTF by Dec. 31, 1974. There’s a reason they weren’t dropped. There’s a reason they got a $250,000 advance (equivalent to $1.2 million today) to make the 1975 album. There’s a reason Bob Welch was offered a deal with Capitol Records with Paris before Fleetwood Mac were megastars. Fleetwood Mac never got dropped, Paris didn’t get dropped. Buckingham Nicks got dropped after one album. Fleetwood Mac without Buckingham Nicks was still viable. The opposite cannot be said. Stevie got that equation, Lindsey spent much of his initial time in the band railing against it.

[jbrownsjr]

Sure.

Fleetwood Mac had already sold 1.5-2 million albums and had just had a Top 40 album with HAHTF by Dec. 31, 1974. There’s a reason they weren’t dropped. There’s a reason they got a $250,000 advance (equivalent to $1.2 million today) to make the 1975 album. There’s a reason Bob Welch was offered a deal with Capitol Records with Paris before Fleetwood Mac were megastars. Fleetwood Mac never got dropped, Paris didn’t get dropped. Buckingham Nicks got dropped after one album. Fleetwood Mac without Buckingham Nicks was still viable. The opposite cannot be said. Stevie got that equation, Lindsey spent much of his initial time in the band railing against it.

I agree 100%. Stevie always has acknowledged that they most likely wouldn't have made it without Fleetwood Mac. It was very symbiotic. Shippers have the hardest time with that.

[lovethemac1]

I agree 100%. Stevie always has acknowledged that they most likely wouldn't have made it without Fleetwood Mac. It was very symbiotic. Shippers have the hardest time with that.

You are good, I love this!!!!

[Villavic]

The reality is, Lindsey (and Stevie) would have done better without Mick than vice versa. He should posthumously be kissing Keith's ass.

Richard Dashut: "I had moved out to a one-bedroom apartment near Fairfax. After Buckingham Nicks bombed, Stevie and Lindsey ran out of money, so they moved in with me. Back went the four-track, the cables, the stoned musicians sprawled on the floor, and we worked on demos for the next Buckingham Nicks album 'So Afraid,' 'Monday Morning,' and 'Rhiannon.'" They were lean, lean times for our lads. While Lindsey and Richard worked on the group's demos, Stevie worked, cleaning houses and waitressing at Bob's Big Boy to keep food on the table. "I was cleaning the house of our producer, Keith Olsen, for fifty dollars a week,"she remembers. "I used to come home with my big Hoover vacuum cleaner, my Ajax, my toilet brush, my cleaning shoes on.

Were Chris, Mick, John and Bob in a similar situation after the Heroes album?

Ok, all artits have ups and downs. Tina Turner used to clean houses after she left Ike, or so I read. Yes, Stevie and Lindsey could have been huge stars in their next album, but that's just a possibility. I wouldn't affirm it as a reality.

[bombaysaffires]

Sure.

Fleetwood Mac had already sold 1.5-2 million albums and had just had a Top 40 album with HAHTF by Dec. 31, 1974. There’s a reason they weren’t dropped. There’s a reason they got a $250,000 advance (equivalent to $1.2 million today) to make the 1975 album. There’s a reason Bob Welch was offered a deal with Capitol Records with Paris before Fleetwood Mac were megastars. Fleetwood Mac never got dropped, Paris didn’t get dropped. Buckingham Nicks got dropped after one album. Fleetwood Mac without Buckingham Nicks was still viable. The opposite cannot be said. Stevie got that equation, Lindsey spent much of his initial time in the band railing against it.

And Bob had just left.

They weren't ever going to get above their typical sales of 100k or so albums without someone to replace him. Would they even have sustained those numbers otherwise? Doubtful.

Apples to oranges where each was at in their respective careers. Fleetwood Mac had the history of huge fame from the Peter Green days to fall back on. There was a built in fan base from the better part of the previous decade. And multiple albums and hit singles. But most of those were in the rear-view mirror.

BuckNicks was new. They had ONE album to their credit at that point. However, they were slowly building a groundswell, and they had a collection of songs with great potential (that went on to push the FM white album). So in that respect Lindsey is right in his thought that the potential for those BN songs was high. Would they have fulfilled that potential? Given that those songs in the versions we all know and love were produced by Keith Olsen, who was already working with them, again the likelihood of fulfilling that potential seems high. Stevie and Lindsey were the charismatic front people that they became for FM. I love Chris, but she was never going to be the charismatic front person a band needs (nor did she want to be).

So sure, FM at that moment in time had a back catalogue and a dedicated fan base, but on their own as the 3 they weren't going to get any bigger unless/until they found new players. BN as a self-contained unit was on the precipice of breaking through.

Saying BN propelled FM to success they wouldn't otherwise have had makes someone a "shipper" is pretty laughable. Especially for those of us who get ripped by actual shippers. One can find Stevie's behavior lately reprehensible, and still see the value she and Lindsey brought to the mix. :eek:

[SteveMacD]

And Bob had just left.
And Christine was still there. You know, the person with most of the bands hits...



They weren't ever going to get above their typical sales of 100k or so albums without someone to replace him. Would they even have sustained those numbers otherwise? Doubtful

Apples to oranges where each was at in their respective careers. Fleetwood Mac had the history of huge fame from the Peter Green days to fall back on. There was a built in fan base from the better part of the previous decade. And multiple albums and hit singles. But most of those were in the rear-view mirror.

BuckNicks was new. They had ONE album to their credit at that point. However, they were slowly building a groundswell, and they had a collection of songs with great potential (that went on to push the FM white album). So in that respect Lindsey is right in his thought that the potential for those BN songs was high. Would they have fulfilled that potential? Given that those songs in the versions we all know and love were produced by Keith Olsen, who was already working with them, again the likelihood of fulfilling that potential seems high. Stevie and Lindsey were the charismatic front people that they became for FM. I love Chris, but she was never going to be the charismatic front person a band needs (nor did she want to be).

So sure, FM at that moment in time had a back catalogue and a dedicated fan base, but on their own as the 3 they weren't going to get any bigger unless/until they found new players. BN as a self-contained unit was on the precipice of breaking through.

Saying BN propelled FM to success they wouldn't otherwise have had makes someone a "shipper" is pretty laughable. Especially for those of us who get ripped by actual shippers. One can find Stevie's behavior lately reprehensible, and still see the value she and Lindsey brought to the mix. :eek:
I’m not a shipper. The only “ship” I care about is the Fleetwood-McVie-Perfect/McVie groove that’s been the defining part of the Fleetwood Mac sound since “Mr. Wonderful.” Those three together have something unique.

John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers didn’t get dropped after their first album, the one they made prior to Clapton.

Chicken Shack didn’t get dropped.

Christine Perfect didn’t get dropped.

Fleetwood Mac didn’t get dropped.

Paris didn’t get dropped.

Buckingham Nicks got dropped. There was no demand for them outside of a few towns in the Deep South. They didn’t have a label that liked them, believed in them, or was willing to stand by them. Certainly not a label that was willing to advance them $250k.

I half suspect Keith Olsen specifically played a couple of Buckingham Nicks songs to Mick because he knew enough about Fleetwood Mac’s history to see a potential opportunity to recoup some money off the freeloaders (Stevie and Lindsey). Making great music is all well and good, but it doesn’t pay the bills unless someone buys it. Keith could have just as easily recommended Waddy, who may have been a more appropriate replacement for Bob Welch (weird looking, wears glasses, plays a Les Paul).

You imply that the band wouldn’t have gotten anywhere without Peter, Bob, or Stevie and Lindsey. I don’t disagree about Peter, but where were Bob or Buckingham Nicks before Fleetwood Mac? Christine had ten of the band’s eighteen Top-40 hit singles and Fleetwood Mac always had Top-40 albums when Mick was managing the band, including “Rumours.” At some point, aren’t they also responsible for the band’s success?

[jbrownsjr]

Chicken Shack didn’t get dropped.

Christine Perfect didn’t get dropped.

Fleetwood Mac didn’t get dropped.

Paris didn’t get dropped.

Buckingham Nicks got dropped.

:nod::nod::nod: And who's to say if B/N didn't sign on that FM wouldn't have found another amazing singer or duo? Entirely speculative.

And... In my opinion it was completely symbiotic for both parties.
And let's not forget 2 of the singles on the white album were Christine's compositions.

Point is Keith knew what he had with the chocolate in the peanut butter and he hit a home run with it.

[bombaysaffires]

And Christine was still there. You know, the person with most of the bands hits...


I’m not a shipper. The only “ship” I care about is the Fleetwood-McVie-Perfect/McVie groove that’s been the defining part of the Fleetwood Mac sound since “Mr. Wonderful.” Those three together have something unique.

John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers didn’t get dropped after their first album, the one they made prior to Clapton.

Chicken Shack didn’t get dropped.

Christine Perfect didn’t get dropped.

Fleetwood Mac didn’t get dropped.

Paris didn’t get dropped.

Buckingham Nicks got dropped. There was no demand for them outside of a few towns in the Deep South. They didn’t have a label that liked them, believed in them, or was willing to stand by them. Certainly not a label that was willing to advance them $250k.

I half suspect Keith Olsen specifically played a couple of Buckingham Nicks songs to Mick because he knew enough about Fleetwood Mac’s history to see a potential opportunity to recoup some money off the freeloaders (Stevie and Lindsey). Making great music is all well and good, but it doesn’t pay the bills unless someone buys it. Keith could have just as easily recommended Waddy, who may have been a more appropriate replacement for Bob Welch (weird looking, wears glasses, plays a Les Paul).

You imply that the band wouldn’t have gotten anywhere without Peter, Bob, or Stevie and Lindsey. I don’t disagree about Peter, but where were Bob or Buckingham Nicks before Fleetwood Mac? Christine had ten of the band’s eighteen Top-40 hit singles and Fleetwood Mac always had Top-40 albums when Mick was managing the band, including “Rumours.” At some point, aren’t they also responsible for the band’s success?

First off the shipper comment was not about or towards you it was in response to someone else who commented after you.:distress:

If you didn't cherry pick my comments you'd see that I acknowledged Chris.

However, those 18 top 40 hits of hers that you mention-- tell me, were those before or after they hooked up with BN-- those magical 3-part harmonies and LB and his production?? (Indeed Chris said on Johnny Walker right before returning that when she heard the material L&S had she thought 'right, I need to up my game here' with regards to her songwriting).

I agree that she was the only one of the Mick/Chris/John trio to have had individual success. She writes and sings, so that makes sense. What would Mick or John be doing without a singer songwriter? Maybe they'd have ended up doing session work if they hadn't found new frontpeople. Thing is, while Chris is fabulous, she is not really a "front person" -- by her own words. Nor does she want to be one -- by her own words. So again, having Chris is great, but it wouldn't have gotten them the crowds and recognition having a more charismatic person up front would have (Bob, Peter, etc). With BN they got TWO.

You seem to want to argue that the Brits in the band without adding anyone new could have gone on to be as big as they were minus BN. Preposterous. With someone new upfront other than BN, possibly. But it wouldn't clearly have ended up with the same batch of songs that they still all cash in on to this day. (Rumours reissue volume 12, anyone?) There is (was :eek:) a unique chemistry to the mix of those 5 that I personally doubt they would ever have had with anyone else.

As for Keith, no one doubts he knew the mix of the two BN/FM had the potential to make it big. That's his stock in trade. I don't see how that negates anything. If neither side had anything to bring to the equation why would he have bothered to bring them together? After all he's the guy who saw Fritz and said the band wasn't that special but those two kids out front, now they had something and he'd be interested in them. And again, Rhiannon, Landslide, I'm So Afraid along with half of Stevie's eventual solo material were already written when they were working on BN2. Waddy is a great player, he might even be technically more sophisticated than LB, but would he have been a great front person? Would he have the charisma to pull FM out of its cult status, getting them to sell more than the same 100k albums? I'd vote no.

[HomerMcvie]

Waddy is a great player, he might even be technically more sophisticated than LB, but would he have been a great front person? Would he have the charisma to pull FM out of its cult status, getting them to sell more than the same 100k albums? I'd vote no.

PLUS, $tevie and Lindsey were both young, very attractive people. Don't think that that didn't play into the success somewhat.

Waddy's face could stop a tank.

[bombaysaffires]

PLUS, $tevie and Lindsey were both young, very attractive people. Don't think that that didn't play into the success somewhat.

Waddy's face could stop a tank.

We should never underestimate the impact of Stevie's appearance on her success. No one understands this better than Stevie herself.

[jbrownsjr]

First off the shipper comment was not about or towards you it was in response to someone else who commented after you.:distress:

If you didn't cherry pick my comments you'd see that I acknowledged Chris.

However, those 18 top 40 hits of hers that you mention-- tell me, were those before or after they hooked up with BN-- those magical 3-part harmonies and LB and his production?? (Indeed Chris said on Johnny Walker right before returning that when she heard the material L&S had she thought 'right, I need to up my game here' with regards to her songwriting).

I agree that she was the only one of the Mick/Chris/John trio to have had individual success. She writes and sings, so that makes sense. What would Mick or John be doing without a singer songwriter? Maybe they'd have ended up doing session work if they hadn't found new frontpeople. Thing is, while Chris is fabulous, she is not really a "front person" -- by her own words. Nor does she want to be one -- by her own words. So again, having Chris is great, but it wouldn't have gotten them the crowds and recognition having a more charismatic person up front would have (Bob, Peter, etc). With BN they got TWO.

You seem to want to argue that the Brits in the band without adding anyone new could have gone on to be as big as they were minus BN. Preposterous. With someone new upfront other than BN, possibly. But it wouldn't clearly have ended up with the same batch of songs that they still all cash in on to this day. (Rumours reissue volume 12, anyone?) There is (was :eek:) a unique chemistry to the mix of those 5 that I personally doubt they would ever have had with anyone else.

As for Keith, no one doubts he knew the mix of the two BN/FM had the potential to make it big. That's his stock in trade. I don't see how that negates anything. If neither side had anything to bring to the equation why would he have bothered to bring them together? After all he's the guy who saw Fritz and said the band wasn't that special but those two kids out front, now they had something and he'd be interested in them. And again, Rhiannon, Landslide, I'm So Afraid along with half of Stevie's eventual solo material were already written when they were working on BN2. Waddy is a great player, he might even be technically more sophisticated than LB, but would he have been a great front person? Would he have the charisma to pull FM out of its cult status, getting them to sell more than the same 100k albums? I'd vote no.


I won't cherry pick your comments. I'll just say this. I've had so many shippers argue with me that B/N took FM to where it was today. And, I"m only saying that it's true, in part.
Truth is, B/N was in fact dropped. In fact, they were using free recording time.

I'm saying it was a symbiotic joining of people. You can speculate all you want. (And it's fun to do so). But, I truly believe they helped each other out.
The other thing I want to say is that Stevie has acknowledged they(the brits) were far better off than B/N. She's done so in many instances. Also, has said that the three part harmony was beyond. And then you look at Christine having 2 really successful hits. They are still heavily played today. I probably could hear SYLM everyday if I put on the right radio stations, or went into CVS all day.

Seems like I may have irritated you, and if I did, I didn't mean to. You were addressing my comments in Steve's quote. So I was confused a bit on who you were speaking to.

[michelej1]

There’s no shame in being a shipper. I have been one and I am proud of it and don’t think my beliefs were invalid at the time. But love changes. Now I am standing here, roadside, with nothing to hold and a great deal of venom.

[jbrownsjr]

There’s no shame in being a shipper. I have been one and I am proud of it and don’t think my beliefs were invalid at the time. But love changes. Now I am standing here, roadside, with nothing to hold and a great deal of venom.

But I don't think you were ever irrational about it. You didn't hate LB's wife. You didn't try to discount Christine and the rest of their history as if it didn't exist. You didn't accuse Christine of breaking them up.

You just simply loved that relationship and knew it's value to the group.

[michelej1]

No, I always loved Christine, until she broke my heart.

[HomerMcvie]

No, I always loved Christine, until she broke my heart.

Exactly the same. She was always my favorite. Until I learned that she has no backbone, and doesn't stand up for her friends, and folds like a cheap lawn chair.

I still love her, but no longer respect her. She's a lame, company shill.

Really, Lindsey is the only one I still respect.

[jbrownsjr]

Don't you two start with me!! :lol::lol::lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Don't you two start with me!! :lol::lol::lol:

Michele and I didn't start this. Chaise lounge Christine did.

She ain't Superwoman, as Mick once called her. #companyshillbethinename #chaiseloungechristine :p

[jbrownsjr]

Michele and I didn't start this. Chaise lounge Christine did.

She ain't Superwoman, as Mick once called her. #companyshillbethinename #chaiseloungechristine :p

Sooner or later I'll forget. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Sooner or later I'll forget. :laugh:

Drink your juice, Shelby.

[jbrownsjr]

Drink your juice, Shelby.

Want to be angry with $omeone, go to the root. And that's Mrs. Shelby to you.

[HomerMcvie]

Want to be angry with $omeone, go to the root. And that's Mrs. Shelby to you.

Oh, we know WHO to be mad at, Mrs. Shelby. $$$$$leazy.

Now drink your juice!:xoxo:

[michelej1]

Don't you two start with me!! :lol::lol::lol:

You probably hear the same streaming music that I do. Although I am in Orange County most of the time. But I was in a CVS and Save Me came on. My heart beat a little faster . . . and then I remembered.

[jbrownsjr]

You probably hear the same streaming music that I do. Although I am in Orange County most of the time. But I was in a CVS and Save Me came on. My heart beat a little faster . . . and then I remembered.

... blame it on me... blame it on me.... ;)

[cbBen]

Richard Dashut 2 hrs ·

In the small town of "Genoa" NV, the passing of one of it's citizens earlier this month marked the end of an era for my personal life as well as the world of rock music. Keith Olsen, one of the best known music producer's of the 70's and 80's passed into recording history as a living spirit and is now embodied in the musical influence he left behind and in the people he helped train. We will see him once again at next years "Grammy Awards Show" in the form of a remembrance, an honor he richly deserves. After that he passes into history as part of the music he helped create, remembered perhaps not by name, but in the music of Fleetwood Mac and Buckingham Nicks. I certainly remember him, like "I wouldn't be here writing to you today if not for my friendship and working relationship with the master himself". I know there are others that can claim the same, all of us blessed under the forge of his discipline. It's tough to say goodbye in death to someone I should have said the same in life, a stain on my life I cannot now remove, nor can I ever forget. I can only honor him in words that I hope will echo in the halls of musical eternity for as long as there are human ears to hear it. Goodbye Keith, you were one of the best and I thank you for the life I have enjoyed so much. With eternal love.. r

[HomerMcvie]

He wrote this earlier -
"I realize that my past is dying out, dissolving below my feet like the sands of an hour glass..r"

It's hard to imagine that he just heard of Keith's passing...he must really live in an isolated world.

[cbBen]

He wrote this earlier -
"I realize that my past is dying out, dissolving below my feet like the sands of an hour glass..r"

It's hard to imagine that he just heard of Keith's passing...he must really live in an isolated world.

Or he's just been off FB awhile.

[HomerMcvie]

Or he's just been off FB awhile.

You'd think they'd have quite a few mutual friends, and that someone would have told him.

[cbBen]

No, I meant he may have known for a while; but just been off FB to make a public statement about it until now.

[HomerMcvie]

No, I meant he may have known for a while; but just been off FB to make a public statement about it until now.

No, he said on Tuesday that he'd just learned of it.

"I’ve just learned of the passing of Keith Olsen. I am crushed right now. I will be writing about my time with Keith very soon. I am profoundly sad. First Peter and now Keith, seems like my foundation is becoming quicksand beneath my feet. Another lost goodbye, one more pain in my heart.. r"


He seems like such a fragile, sensitive soul. It's hard to imagine someone "making it" in the business without being able to eat the dog next to you. Like he would be leveled by any criticism.

[cbBen]

Oh, okay. To what "Peter" is he referring?

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, okay. To what "Peter" is he referring?

Peter Beard, who worked on the Tusk album artwork.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/arts/peter-beard-dead.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage

[cbBen]

Thanks...............

[HomerMcvie]

Thanks...............

You're welcome!:angel: