Who Expects This Band To Carry On After This Week?

[cbBen]

Is this the end of the line?

[snroxman]

Good question. It definitely feels like the end. The last ticketed event is in Las Vegas on 11/16. The next (and AFAIK last) date for the group appears to be on 11/20, for a benefit show, during the Dreamforce 2019 conference.

[FM77]

It is over.

[sue]

I hope so....enough.
Of course a lot depends on the state of Micks’ Bank balance.

[sleepless child]

I wonder also. It's billed as the last concert, but we know how things change. I'm torn over going. I've boycotted over how Lindsey was treated, but a part of me still wants to go. So far I've just looked at tickets online. I have pushed the button yet.

[vivfox]

It is over.


You were the same person who told us Iovine would present Stevie with her Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame Nomination. What do you know? Not much probably. If it were the last tour FM would have billed it as a Farewell Tour. As long as they all live and are healthy after Stevie finishes her next tour, my best guess is they will have a FM farewell tour. Hopefully will include Lindsey.

[Villavic]

It is over.

Oh don't say that :distress: . I'm hoping next year they'll re release Rumours in reel-to-reel tape format...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CbMAAOSwMW5db3Nl/s-l300.jpg
https://img.discogs.com/_eZ_DqyHrH6fh1IUmixF4pRmD2M=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-9404273-1479970666-7291.jpeg.jpg

or at least the 8-track tape format.
https://img.discogs.com/Tqc2k9DToa0KmhrfjyHWa-ygoNs=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-1506478-1515337789-8073.jpeg.jpg

And if we are very very lucky, we'll get Mirage Tour Laser Disc by Christmas 2020

https://img.discogs.com/25cpgDwsZyF5KQR-NRb6emIMe98=/fit-in/495x504/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2562214-1290662510.jpeg.jpg

[David]

Is this the end of the line?
If you’re talking about this lineup, I don’t think there’s anything else they can or need to say. They’ve been doing their Vegasy shows for about a year and a half — unless they want to continue bringing the circus to a “town near you” for years to come, or plant themselves in Vegas for a very long engagement.
Otherwise, they seem to be done. What would they do while Stevie Nicks is on the road for 2020—21?

The only thing I can think of (and I’d rather not) is Fleetwood Mac morphing yet again into another lineup — to do what, I don’t know. You need names to tour big league the way they’ve been doing for two years, so if you’re going to hire more people, you’d better find names. This band seems to have no further interest in a studio life, so all they can do is be year-round entertainers. I used to cringe when they’d saturate the market, but no more — every show they do is a supersaturation point.

Fleetwood Mac is life-supported to the boomers. “Buckingham McVie” doesn’t seem quite the right way to go out for a titan such as Fleetwood Mac. Melodic as it is, that album is kind of inconsequential, breaks no new ground, and musically retreads 1980s high points. Its a genteel little album whose purpose seems to be dipping its dainty little feetsies in a hot tub of nostalgia.

[elle]

Is this the end of the line?

hope so. they should stop tarnishing their name.

[Storms123]

Is this the end of the line?

One can only hope. With Stevie off on her own for a year or so (how ever long her alleged solo tour is), Mike and Neil doing their own thing. Mike also has sounded very non commital to anything further with them, John doesn't seem to be taking part in the Peter Green/Early FM gig, which is very odd imo---if and when they decide to perhaps mount something again, Christine could potentially be pushing 80. That's not gonna sound good

[Neb-Maat-Re]

Oh don't say that :distress: . I'm hoping next year they'll re release Rumours in reel-to-reel tape format...
https://img.discogs.com/_eZ_DqyHrH6fh1IUmixF4pRmD2M=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-9404273-1479970666-7291.jpeg.jpg


Ah, the greatly speculated lost quad mix ...

[Macfan4life]

Oh don't say that :distress: . I'm hoping next year they'll re release Rumours in reel-to-reel tape format...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CbMAAOSwMW5db3Nl/s-l300.jpg
https://img.discogs.com/_eZ_DqyHrH6fh1IUmixF4pRmD2M=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-9404273-1479970666-7291.jpeg.jpg

or at least the 8-track tape format.
https://img.discogs.com/Tqc2k9DToa0KmhrfjyHWa-ygoNs=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-1506478-1515337789-8073.jpeg.jpg

And if we are very very lucky, we'll get Mirage Tour Laser Disc by Christmas 2020

https://img.discogs.com/25cpgDwsZyF5KQR-NRb6emIMe98=/fit-in/495x504/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2562214-1290662510.jpeg.jpg
Now THAT was funny :)

[Dragon]

Is this the end of the line?

It will be awhile before we see Fleetwood Mac again. Neil Finn is reactivating Crowded House. Mike Campbell is finishing a studio album with his band, the Dirty Knobs.

[FM77]

You were the same person who told us Iovine would present Stevie with her Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame Nomination. What do you know? Not much probably. If it were the last tour FM would have billed it as a Farewell Tour. As long as they all live and are healthy after Stevie finishes her next tour, my best guess is they will have a FM farewell tour. Hopefully will include Lindsey.

Please post a link where I stated that as fact. I guessed like everyone else. Please for love of God---give up on LB. I definitely know more than you but that isn't saying much. :laugh:

[button-lip]

It is the end. Stevie finally got what she wanted: on one hand to get rid of Lindsey, and on the other hand to be the only lead of a band she never loved. :nod::nod:

This is the legacy she wants for the band. She couldn't care less about FM fans.

[BombaySapphire3]

Is this the end of the line?
If it isn't it should be. I have a difficult time imagining that they won't milk the "Farewell Tour " teat as long as they all still draw breath though.

[jbrownsjr]

It all depends on who is alive in Summer of 2021.

[missundercover]

Sad - but true.

Maybe it will lead to enjoying what is and what we got from that band instead of missing what isn't and what we didn't get.

[sodascouts]

It all depends on who is alive in Summer of 2021.

And who is on speaking terms.

[aleuzzi]

“Buckingham McVie” doesn’t seem quite the right way to go out for a titan such as Fleetwood Mac. Melodic as it is, that album is kind of inconsequential, breaks no new ground, and musically retreads 1980s high points. Its a genteel little album whose purpose seems to be dipping its dainty little feetsies in a hot tub of nostalgia.

You're probably right. More than anything else, "Buckingham McVie" serves as a reminder of one aspect of its participant's legacy--elegant, effervescent pop-songcraft. It is, in part, a tribute to MIRAGE and some portions of TANGO; it is also a testament to the collaborative powers of its two leads. But the overall effect of the album feels boutique-y, deliberately minor in scope and scale, as if through coy modesty two richly talented singer-songwriter-instrumentalists remind the world that they are as hooky and clever as kids 45 years younger. Stevie's refusal to participate and the remaining four's fear to call it Fleetwood Mac in her absence meant the pressure was off and they could simply play together. It's all very creative and fun, but a certain intensity is lacking.

I do think the album might also have felt more substantial had it not really been blending of two distinct projects: the first a collaboration between Lindsey, John, and Mick meant to entice Stevie to return to the studio for a suitable follow up to SAY YOU WILL; the second a near-as-Mac-as-you-can-get suite of Christine songs sans Stevie. Christine's absence on Lindsey five tracks is my only real beef with the project. That, and the "freedom in my mouth" line from the collection's otherwise best song.

[jbrownsjr]

And who is on speaking terms.

Maybe Neil Finn since he's "the guy" and best singing partner for her. ;) :distress:

[button-lip]

Maybe Neil Finn since he's "the guy" and best singing partner for her. ;) :distress:

Honestly, she has known the guy for a year and all of a sudden he's "the best singing partner" for her? Finn must have internally rolled his eyes so hard! :lol:

So, basically Lindsey meant nothing in her life. Not romantically and not profesionally speaking. Maybe now she will finally stop mentioning him. Finally. :rolleyes:

[WatchChain]

Despite how valid the Lindsey/Stevie feud has been, a small part of me still thinks this entire drama is one huge PR stunt staged by managers with the hope of launching another "The Dance" style REUNION. But, now a pesky little heart attack has left everything in limbo.

Picture it, Lindsey is tired of playing the same old rinse, wash, repeat set list with Fleetwood Mac. He needs a break, but doesn't want to throw away his cash cow forever. Stevie and Mick, ever the cash grabbers, can't stand to just sit home. Stevie's friend Mike, who has just lost his cash cow (Tom Petty), needs to keep busy. Mick's friend Neil (who had two hit songs over 30 years ago) just needs some money. Enter management--let's stage yet another "feud" within a band already known for drama. Lindsey gets a break for solo material from "the small machine", Mick and Stevie get to keep touring and throw in some pre75 tunes, a couple of sidemen make some money----PRESTO! Everyone is happy.

Fast forward to 2022. It's time for a DANCE STYLE REUNION that will double as a FAREWELL TOUR with the 5 members of the Rumours lineup. We can have long, teary eyed speeches about forgiveness, how we are "destined to be in a band together", etc... You know the routine, you've bought tickets to this sh*t show for years.

THEN.........a pesky little heart attack leaves everything in question.

[The Catdancer]

Maybe Neil Finn since he's "the guy" and best singing partner for her. ;) :distress:

She said that? OMG, they sound awful.

As for FM, I think it's the end. They're all getting up there. By the time they'll get back together Christine will be pushing 80. Her voice is not what it used to be (and that's putting it mildly), Stevie sounds horrible and there's like what, 15 people on that stage? How many will there be if they get back together? 25? :distress:

[SteveMacD]

I don’t think it’s the end. I don’t know about another year and a half tour, but I think they’ll do festival shows and smaller tours. So long as Mick and Stevie are alive, it will continue.

[The Catdancer]

According to Richard Dashut it is the end. He posted on FB that he has been to the Vegas show:"I will be writing soon about my last night with FM in concert and being backstage at the closing stages of their career. " He said this on the 22nd of November.

[bombaysaffires]

I tend to agree they will find ways to do more stuff. Maybe not big gigantic tours, but shows of some kind. Mick reports that Chris is the one constantly saying "what's next? what's next?" and is fired up to work. She got her 15 years of retirement until she was bored stiff.

Stevie can't seem to stop working and her managers will prop her up and send her out there as long as there's a buck to be made. Corporate gigs are big money for little time investment so I see her still doing those. Or smaller solo tours. She likes being a LEGEND and staying somehow in the public awareness.

Mick will keep finding ways to cash in. If nothing else he'll keep playing at his restaurant and have Chris join him but that's not the same money is it?

The only one I see embracing retirement is John.

But it all depends on health. THey're all officially old now for sure.

[Sanne2]

Crew member Ali Vatter (backstage/catering coördinator? I'm not 100% sure of her job description) sorta kinda confirms this was their last tour:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5UgyBnlNC8/
"Fleetwood Mac Fall US/CAN 2019. Sad to say this could very well be the last pictures from a Fleetwood Mac tour. It’s been a crazy ride since 2013. I have changed a lot, made life long friends, and am grateful to have been able to tour with such a rad band."

[button-lip]

Crew member Ali Vatter (backstage/catering coördinator? I'm not 100% sure of her job description) sorta kinda confirms this was their last tour:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5UgyBnlNC8/
"Fleetwood Mac Fall US/CAN 2019. Sad to say this could very well be the last pictures from a Fleetwood Mac tour. It’s been a crazy ride since 2013. I have changed a lot, made life long friends, and am grateful to have been able to tour with such a rad band."

Well, that's not exactly a picture from the tour. It's a picture of Stevie from that thing at the Gala.
Noone dares to confirm anything, because it's all up to the 4 of them.

[bombaysaffires]

what the hell.....?? that cape is GHASTLY. Dead baby heads on the shoulders and down on the bottom trim..??

although it shows her exactly where she loves to be --- in the center of attention. She won't go quietly from that.

[Sanne2]

what the hell.....?? that cape is GHASTLY. Dead baby heads on the shoulders and down on the bottom trim..??

although it shows her exactly where she loves to be --- in the center of attention. She won't go quietly from that.

She was backstage at the Met Opera and was wearing one of the costumes from a cast member.

Anyway, it was just announced that Stevie will be on the Ellen show on dec 4, she has no reason to be there unless she will make some kind of announcement.

[button-lip]

She was backstage at the Met Opera and was wearing one of the costumes from a cast member.

Anyway, it was just announced that Stevie will be on the Ellen show on dec 4, she has no reason to be there unless she will make some kind of announcement.

Like what? She said she’s not the boss in FM, so she can’t make any announcement regarding the band.
Probably something about her solo tour, or she was invited to talk about her recent happiness now that Lindsey’s not there anymore.

[BombaySapphire3]

or she was invited to talk about her recent happiness now that Lindsey’s not there anymore.

Probably so ..since Lindsey and Ellen shared a girlfriend that might Ellen sympathetic to some LB bashing.

[The Catdancer]

She was backstage at the Met Opera and was wearing one of the costumes from a cast member.

Anyway, it was just announced that Stevie will be on the Ellen show on dec 4, she has no reason to be there unless she will make some kind of announcement.

She's doing a show on January 17 at a golf tournament

https://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/golf/american-express-pga/2019/11/23/stevie-nicks-luke-bryan-perform-la-quinta-american-express-golf-event/4273006002/

[vivfox]

Anyway, it was just announced that Stevie will be on the Ellen show on dec 4, she has no reason to be there unless she will make some kind of announcement.

And on Dec. 5th she'll be on Jimmy Kimmel performing with Sheryl Crow, so something's in the works.

[Hawkeye]

And on Dec. 5th she'll be on Jimmy Kimmel performing with Sheryl Crow, so something's in the works.

I agree. When she was on Ellen with Rod Stewart is when she officially announced that tour. I think the odds are really good for a Stevie/Sheryl joint tour announcement!

[mitzo]

I agree. When she was on Ellen with Rod Stewart is when she officially announced that tour. I think the odds are really good for a Stevie/Sheryl joint tour announcement!

Yuck, let's hope it is a brief tour. Not a fan of Sheryl at all.

[elle]

And on Dec. 5th she'll be on Jimmy Kimmel performing with Sheryl Crow, so something's in the works.

looks like i will skip seeing Sheryl live this year. unless she opens for Brandi Carlile instead of SN somewhere close to me. :shrug:

[WatchChain]

Like the previous post, I’m betting on a Stevie Nicks tour with Sheryl Crow as the opener (a la Stevie/Pretenders) to begin as early as May of 2020 and continue throughout the summer. Although Stevie last played arenas, I’m wondering if they’ll hit the outdoor sheds like other dinosaur acts (Heart, Journey, Bob Seger). The Pretenders are opening for Journey next summer playing the sheds. Sheryl has a new duets album out and needs to hit the road to fill her retirement kitty.

[David]

The Pretenders are opening for Journey next summer playing the sheds.The Pretenders on a bill with Journey? These are obviously the end times.

(You could characterize the Pretenders and their extraordinary legacy as being a sustained critique of everything that Journey ever represented and undoubtedly still represents.)

[BombaySapphire3]

The Pretenders on a bill with Journey? These are obviously the end times.

(You could characterize the Pretenders and their extraordinary legacy as being a sustained critique of everything that Journey ever represented and undoubtedly still represents.)

Abominable..who is Journey's lead singer these days ? Still the dwarf karaoke singer from Manila ?

[Macfan4life]

Abominable..who is Journey's lead singer these days ? Still the dwarf karaoke singer from Manila ?
I was never a Journey fan but last year I watched a high def full youtube video of their concert and was blown away. The band blew everyone out of their seats and yes the guy from Manila still is the lead vocal and does an amazing job.
They come to rock.

On another note. The Pretenders are great but fit better as an opening band for Journey than Stevie Nicks ;)

[lovethemac1]

I saw Journey in Oct, at their residency in Vegas. A number of the group that we were with were very....."meh..." about seeing them. I was super excited and I've seen them on their tours.

Every single person was completely stunned at the quality and professionalism that they displayed. And although Arnel is not Steve Perry, he is every bit as good vocally.

It was really fun, high energy and we all sang Journey songs all the way back to the hotel.

[David]

Well, sure, Stone in Love is on my playlist, too. (I concede its value as a workout tool.) But while Journey was churning out empty, fist-pumping pseudo-cocky sing-along anthems and schmaltzy ballads that could have been written by record label execs, Chrissie Hynde and James Honeyman-Scott and Pete Farndon and Martin Chambers were making rock history on their first two albums, kicking the living daylights out of all the bland corporate crap that monopolized the airwaves in 1980. I know many years have passed—and the loser now will be later to win, in Dylan’s great words—but it’s still weird to see the Pretenders tour with Journey. What hath time wrought? Is John Lydon going to go out on the road with Air Supply? Public Enemy and Bruno Mars—an idiotic publicist’s dream?

[Macfan4life]

Well, sure, Stone in Love is on my playlist, too. (I concede its value as a workout tool.) But while Journey was churning out empty, fist-pumping pseudo-cocky sing-along anthems and schmaltzy ballads that could have been written by record label execs, Chrissie Hynde and James Honeyman-Scott and Pete Farndon and Martin Chambers were making rock history on their first two albums, kicking the living daylights out of all the bland corporate crap that monopolized the airwaves in 1980. I know many years have passed—and the loser now will be later to win, in Dylan’s great words—but it’s still weird to see the Pretenders tour with Journey. What hath time wrought? Is John Lydon going to go out on the road with Air Supply? Public Enemy and Bruno Mars—an idiotic publicist’s dream?
Journey's worst song played backwards is still better than anything on Rock A Little

:eek:

[David]

Journey's worst song played backwards is still better than anything on Rock A Little

:eek:Hehhehehhe.... poor Stevie ... she just can’t make good records.

Stevie in theory is better than Stevie in practice. Dare we say it?

[SteveMacD]

Hehhehehhe.... poor Stevie ... she just can’t make good records.

Stevie in theory is better than Stevie in practice. Dare we say it?

Well, at least since “The Wild Heart.”

However, she still sells a lot of tickets and is somehow the only woman in the HoF twice (weirdly before Tina Turner or Grace Slick), hence her power within the band.

Ken might have said it best:

Smashing Interviews Magazine: What is your relationship with the rest of Fleetwood Mac?

Ken Caillat: Well, I have a relationship with Mick. The band was not really high tech, so they don’t keep their same phone numbers and emails, and I don’t have any way of connecting with Stevie. Stevie’s got a big entourage of people that are paid to protect her from strangers, and I would be considered a stranger in their eyes. The last time I talked to Christine, we were good. I produced a record for her in 2005. But I talk to John. I talk to Mick. I wish John a happy birthday every year, so I think I’m fine with everybody.

I’d probably be fine with Lindsey if I ever saw him. But he’s just got so much hatred now with the band for firing him when he’s the one that brought it on himself. He again demanded that they would delay their world tour for a year or a year and a half while he finished his solo record, and his solo records never sell anything. He gave them the ultimatum that he would quit, so the band talked and said, “You know what? Why don’t we just fire you? You’ve pulled that trick one too many times. We don’t care.”

Smashing Interviews Magazine: And along came Neil Finn.

Ken Caillat: Right, and he was the solution.

Smashing Interviews Magazine: So no one thinks Lindsey may rejoin the band in the future after a reconciliation?

Ken Caillat: Well, Lindsey had a heart attack, and they apparently damaged his vocal chords. I don’t know anything, but people I know who are very close to him don’t know whether he’s able to sing anymore. It’s too bad. Lindsey was a very angry man, and I believe he still is. Most of my comments about Lindsey are based on when I knew him.

[bombaysaffires]

demanding and angry are two different things. I have no doubt LB is demanding; he's a perfectionist and I'm sure gets short-tempered when things go wrong. Demanding is situational. Angry is a permanent character trait. I don't think he is angry as a permanent trait. I am sure like everyone he can get angry, probably super angry, when the situation warrants it, like, I dunno, your band firing you and lying about it. Maybe that even played a role in his heart attack, WTF knows.:shrug:

Listen we've heard from many people at the time that LB was not like super-fun party animal guy during the making of Tusk. He was on a mission to make a statement and not everyone was in the same headspace. Kudos to them for letting him take the ball and run with it.

But geez that was literally 40 effing years ago. Nearly HALF A CENTURY AGO. FFS no one is the same exact person they were 40 years ago. It's like Ken's memory is set in amber, frozen in time...... get.over.it.:nod:

[SteveMacD]

demanding and angry are two different things. I have no doubt LB is demanding; he's a perfectionist and I'm sure gets short-tempered when things go wrong. Demanding is situational. Angry is a permanent character trait. I don't think he is angry as a permanent trait. I am sure like everyone he can get angry, probably super angry, when the situation warrants it, like, I dunno, your band firing you and lying about it. Maybe that even played a role in his heart attack, WTF knows.:shrug:

Listen we've heard from many people at the time that LB was not like super-fun party animal guy during the making of Tusk. He was on a mission to make a statement and not everyone was in the same headspace. Kudos to them for letting him take the ball and run with it.

But geez that was literally 40 effing years ago. Nearly HALF A CENTURY AGO. FFS no one is the same exact person they were 40 years ago. It's like Ken's memory is set in amber, frozen in time...... get.over.it.:nod:

Two things: Ken knew Lindsey and was actually there during the making of those records AND he’s still in contact with members of the band or people still involved with the band. He has an insight none of us have, meet ‘n greets and post-show drinks aside.

[elle]

Two things: Ken knew Lindsey and was actually there during the making of those records AND he’s still in contact with members of the band or people still involved with the band. He has an insight none of us have, meet ‘n greets and post-show drinks aside.

:lol: you bought it, apparently!

yes, Ken knew Lindsey in 1979. that was 40 years ago. by his own admission, he doesn't know Lindsey now. and yet, he has no qualms about extrapolating the character of somebody now from how they were 40+ years ago, in their 20s, high and out of their minds on drugs, fame, pressure, and intra-band relationship turmoils.

Ken seems to be the bitter and angry one towards the band and its members. and yes various band members may have been bitter, high, angry and driven back in the 70s when they were all in their late 20s or even 30s. that doesn't mean that band members are bitter and angry and whatever else Ken makes up because - by his own admission - he has no contact with them now and no clue how they are now.

actually, Ken replied to me on social media back in April 2018 when he was first spreading band's now debunked 'he didn't want to tour for a year" story that he heard that from someone who works for the band, who was told by Mick. by then, many fans already knew for 3 months what actually happened - and what was later proven as the truth that even the band had to half-cough-up to by the end of their last year's tour. so Ken was told band's PR story while there were a good number of fans that had inside info. :shrug:

seems pretty certain that fans have way better insider sources than Ken has these days. or fans care to know what the truth is, while Ken is just trying to sell his book by attempting to answer questions thrown at him by trying to pretend that he's still in the know and in contact with the band.

after huge backlash on social media for spreading untruths, Ken has now a facebook post stating that's the trouble with interviews, questions come at you too fast - or something like that.
the thing is, Ken - however fast questions may come at you, making up answers about real people - and in fact making up the whole conversations that never happened - is not the right answer. :nod:

[elle]

half-back on topic of the thread.

reading the lawsuit from last year, it became clear that FM doesn't seem to exist as a legal entity between projects. they come together and sign contracts for specific projects - be that a tour, a gig, or in the past various albums and releases.

which means that at this moment, Fleetwood Mac as a band doesn't legally exist in any formation.

when talking about Fleetwood Mac, you can talk about Peter Green's band, various in-between incarnations, or the most well known Classic Fleetwood Mac - which is what masses are referring to when saying FM. but at present time, there is no present band. Lindsey is not really ex-FM member - or they all are. :thumbsup:

[bombaysaffires]

half-back on topic of the thread.

reading the lawsuit from last year, it became clear that FM doesn't seem to exist as a legal entity between projects. they come together and sign contracts for specific projects - be that a tour, a gig, or in the past various albums and releases.

which means that at this moment, Fleetwood Mac as a band doesn't legally exist in any formation.

when talking about Fleetwood Mac, you can talk about Peter Green's band, various in-between incarnations, or the most well known Classic Fleetwood Mac - which is what masses are referring to when saying FM. but at present time, there is no present band. Lindsey is not really ex-FM member - or they all are. :thumbsup:

which makes it more interesting that they didn't call the BuckVie album FM....

Entangling Stevie's personal management as band management as well is a disastrous arrangement for the band. Great for Stevie though! And then for LB to sign on Azoff as his own personal manager :eek:
I can only imagine that the strategy behind that was that having him as your manager he has to consider the impact of band business on you as a solo act. But that's an awfully risky strategy considering Azoff's management style of focusing on the bigger $$$ or higher profile clients (i.e., Stevie). Or maybe he though Irving could make them more like the Eagles, i.e. the way LB always says "those other bands who know what they want and want it at the same time" and can come together to make money whether they like each other or not.

The only other logic I can imagine is that LB indeed wanted to boost his ticket sales, marketing, profile in a more mainstream way (seems out of character, but who knows). The two just seem like a bad mix to me either way. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

which makes it more interesting that they didn't call the BuckVie album FM....
As someone who was pissed off about that at the time, I get it now. They’re not going to ever play as Fleetwood Mac again without Stevie (so long as she and Mick are alive), with the possible exception of Peter Green miraculously returning. Even then, it would be called “Peter Green’s…” to avoid confusion.

I don’t think it’s right, but I at least understand the logic behind it.

And then for LB to sign on Azoff as his own personal manager :eek:
It worked so well for Bob Welch, too.

The only other logic I can imagine is that LB indeed wanted to boost his ticket sales, marketing, profile in a more mainstream way (seems out of character, but who knows). The two just seem like a bad mix to me either way. :shrug:
And then to talk down two festival shows Azoff was heavily invested in and actively promoting...

Irving’s motivation to be the Stevie whisper went out the window, replaced by his instinct to put in well known, popular musicians in already popular bands…

Lindsey wanted Fleetwood Mac to be more like the Eagles. Wish granted!

[johnnystorms]

I NEVER buy into these breakups. I think Lindsey was aware of his heart condition and they all knew he could not do the tour. The 'estrangement' was staged for the press and social, to keep the cash flowing, and Lindsey will be back in the fold.
Just as he did Twister with her in 96 *when they were supposed to be at odds* and he played on IYD *after she was so 'miserable' after the no Christine tours*. It's all PR.
They'll do a farewell tour with the Rumours 5.

[jmn3]

I NEVER buy into these breakups. I think Lindsey was aware of his heart condition and they all knew he could not do the tour. The 'estrangement' was staged for the press and social, to keep the cash flowing, and Lindsey will be back in the fold.
Just as he did Twister with her in 96 *when they were supposed to be at odds* and he played on IYD *after she was so 'miserable' after the no Christine tours*. It's all PR.
They'll do a farewell tour with the Rumours 5.

I get why you are saying that - but I just can't agree. Not this time. Lindsey toured solo after he was fired for months. There's no way he knew of his heart condition and still did a tour. I get that a LB solo tour of small theaters isn't going to be as hectic as a full on Fleetwood Mac tour, but a solo tour also comes without all of the expenses (fancy planes and best hotels) that a Mac tour does.

He sued them. Not threatened. Actually sued. Papers were filed with the courts and a settlement was agreed to.

This isn't 1996. Or 1997. Or 1987. Hell, it's not even 2014. They are OLD. Their contemporaries are dropping like flies on a regular basis. Time is NOT on any of their sides. Planning some elaborate, hidden, stunt, that needs to have 3-4 years to fully play out....it just isn't in the cards at this point.

After how he was treated, I don't even want another Rumours tour. Not even a big final tour. It will be absolute garbage at this point. Fake hugs and warm glances? Give me a break. What else is there to prove? Nicks won't record anything new with the band, so what is there in another tour (other than the obviou$)? They reunited in 1997 and it was absolutely amazing. Then in 2014, out of the middle of nowhere, they unexpectedly reunited yet again and toured the world. It was unexpected, and it gave people like myself who were fans for decades but were 16 years old and not in attendance at The Dance tour a chance to see the five of them together. It was great...but the performances on stage certainly weren't Dance-era level. But at 33/34 years old, I got that chance and even kind of got a Tango in the Night focused concert with the four cuts. But now? For what? After what has gone on for the last two years, anything further with the five of them would just be downright gross.

[bombaysaffires]

I get why you are saying that - but I just can't agree. Not this time. Lindsey toured solo after he was fired for months. There's no way he knew of his heart condition and still did a tour. I get that a LB solo tour of small theaters isn't going to be as hectic as a full on Fleetwood Mac tour, but a solo tour also comes without all of the expenses (fancy planes and best hotels) that a Mac tour does.

He sued them. Not threatened. Actually sued. Papers were filed with the courts and a settlement was agreed to.

This isn't 1996. Or 1997. Or 1987. Hell, it's not even 2014. They are OLD. Their contemporaries are dropping like flies on a regular basis. Time is NOT on any of their sides. Planning some elaborate, hidden, stunt, that needs to have 3-4 years to fully play out....it just isn't in the cards at this point.

After how he was treated, I don't even want another Rumours tour. Not even a big final tour. It will be absolute garbage at this point. Fake hugs and warm glances? Give me a break. What else is there to prove? Nicks won't record anything new with the band, so what is there in another tour (other than the obviou$)? They reunited in 1997 and it was absolutely amazing. Then in 2014, out of the middle of nowhere, they unexpectedly reunited yet again and toured the world. It was unexpected, and it gave people like myself who were fans for decades but were 16 years old and not in attendance at The Dance tour a chance to see the five of them together. It was great...but the performances on stage certainly weren't Dance-era level. But at 33/34 years old, I got that chance and even kind of got a Tango in the Night focused concert with the four cuts. But now? For what? After what has gone on for the last two years, anything further with the five of them would just be downright gross.

and an absolute insult to long-time fans. 'we think you're too stupid to realize we played you suckas"

[Villavic]

I still think we will never have an objective complete info about what happened with those 5. None is telling the complete truth, IMHO.

Smashing Interviews Magazine: And along came Neil Finn.
Ken Caillat: Right, and he was the solution.

Well, it was a practical solution for a tour. But in the end, for the band, that was not a solution at all.

[David]

After what has gone on for the last two years, anything further with the five of them would just be downright gross.
I wish they would do something that would draw me to attend, but I can’t imagine what that would have to be. Maybe if they starred in a stage production of “Uncle Vanya” at South Coast Rep. Yes, come to think of it, I would go to that.

[David]

Smashing Interviews Magazine: And along came Neil Finn.
Ken Caillat: Right, and he was the solution.

Well, it was a practical solution for a tour. But in the end, for the band, that was not a solution at all.The most interesting thing artistically to come out of it was the online fighting here and on YouTube.

I guess the reconfigured tour served its humble (or not so humble) purpose. Nobody will look back on it in 20 years and say anything other than a straightforwardly descriptive “It happened.” It put “money in the bank but no gas in the tank.”

[Buster]

I hope this version of "Fleetwood Mac" goes away forever and that we never hear from the band again, even if Lindsey were to return.

[BigAl84]

To me the most interesting thing to witness out of all of the 2018/2019 drama was:

1. Almost instant, blind vilification of Lindsey by a huge chunk of folks who acted as if they were just waiting to have a reason to finally be happy he is out of the band, why that is I don’t really understand.

2. The amplification of all things related to Lindsey’s behavior and events 40 years ago while at the same time ignoring John McVies abusive alcoholism as well as the collective drug and party culture that affected every member of the band. Ken C’s recent remarks about Lindsey having the audacity to work on tusk tracks at home, but failing to mention how Stevie worked on Sara with Tom M. In an all together separate session. The shear amount of double standards and attempts to revise history is pretty shocking by fans and band members.

3. Magically, overnight there were legions of fans who were predominantly fans because of the ‘75 lineup, magically had an affection for every incarnation of the band and then used this as an excuse to feed into Micks “we’ve always had a revolving line up so this is business as usual” defense.

4. There was a time when fans could objectively look at the past knowing what we do know and come to the conclusion that NONE of them were saints on any level. Yet, with the events of 2018/2019 Some fans and folks like Ken C. have decided to paint this picture that everyone else was a saint to work with and it was always Lindsey being the difficult one.

5. Folks love to pour on the love for the Tango In The Night album, but turn a complete blind eye to the fact that big bad Lindsey had to work with Christine McVie to single handedly piece that entire album together with mick the drunk hanging out in a trailer in Lindsey’s driveway and Stevie being almost entirely absent due to her own addiction struggles. But let’s talk about Lindsey backing out of the tour because that’s low hanging fruit and ignore the premise that there wouldn’t of been any tour at all without the darn album. Again, the cherry picking is pretty staggering in this new era to portray Lindsey.

[bombaysaffires]

it fits with the larger zeitgeist of polarization. The world has devolved into camps, with no possible in-between. You're either "for" or "against" and once you pick your side, you pick your facts to support the position you've taken. Politics, social culture, whatever it is, everyone nowadays picks a side and ignores anything that doesn't fit that view. Sad. :distress:

[David]

it fits with the larger zeitgeist of polarization. The world has devolved into camps, with no possible in-between. You're either "for" or "against" and once you pick your side, you pick your facts to support the position you've taken. Politics, social culture, whatever it is, everyone nowadays picks a side and ignores anything that doesn't fit that view. Sad. :distress:It is sad. It reduces the complexity of life to a meme. Things are almost never so absolutist black and white. They’re gray. Maybe that’s why we all like those jazzy-hippie songs Bob Welch produced with Fleetwood Mac—they adumbrate the complexities of life in sound. Thoughts?

[Nicks Fan]

To me the most interesting thing to witness out of all of the 2018/2019 drama was:

1. Almost instant, blind vilification of Lindsey by a huge chunk of folks who acted as if they were just waiting to have a reason to finally be happy he is out of the band, why that is I don’t really understand.

2. The amplification of all things related to Lindsey’s behavior and events 40 years ago while at the same time ignoring John McVies abusive alcoholism as well as the collective drug and party culture that affected every member of the band. Ken C’s recent remarks about Lindsey having the audacity to work on tusk tracks at home, but failing to mention how Stevie worked on Sara with Tom M. In an all together separate session. The shear amount of double standards and attempts to revise history is pretty shocking by fans and band members.


3. Magically, overnight there were legions of fans who were predominantly fans because of the ‘75 lineup, magically had an affection for every incarnation of the band and then used this as an excuse to feed into Micks “we’ve always had a revolving line up so this is business as usual” defense.

4. There was a time when fans could objectively look at the past knowing what we do know and come to the conclusion that NONE of them were saints on any level. Yet, with the events of 2018/2019 Some fans and folks like Ken C. have decided to paint this picture that everyone else was a saint to work with and it was always Lindsey being the difficult one.

5. Folks love to pour on the love for the Tango In The Night album, but turn a complete blind eye to the fact that big bad Lindsey had to work with Christine McVie to single handedly piece that entire album together with mick the drunk hanging out in a trailer in Lindsey’s driveway and Stevie being almost entirely absent due to her own addiction struggles. But let’s talk about Lindsey backing out of the tour because that’s low hanging fruit and ignore the premise that there wouldn’t of been any tour at all without the darn album. Again, the cherry picking is pretty staggering in this new era to portray Lindsey.

Couldn’t agree more. I have had people attack me for my support of Lindsey saying that his supporters are cult like members. I don’t get how anyone with even an ounce of intelligence cannot see the blatant hypocrisy with both why he was fired by the band ( tour delay of which Nicks is guilty of herself in 2012) as well as the he was difficult or we had come to an impasse when we all know that there have many times other members pulled **** they should have gotten the boot.

I think what it comes down to is that some of the SN fans are so obsessed with her and nothing not even quotes from the horses mouth will change their thinking on how she is perfection and Lindsey is nothing and guilty of everything. It is pointless to argue with them because their minds are made up. One of my friends said I hope they never serve on a jury.

[button-lip]

Couldn’t agree more. I have had people attack me for my support of Lindsey saying that his supporters are cult like members. I don’t get how anyone with even an ounce of intelligence cannot see the blatant hypocrisy with both why he was fired by the band ( tour delay of which Nicks is guilty of herself in 2012) as well as the he was difficult or we had come to an impasse when we all know that there have many times other members pulled **** they should have gotten the boot.

I think what it comes down to is that some of the SN fans are so obsessed with her and nothing not even quotes from the horses mouth will change their thinking on how she is perfection and Lindsey is nothing and guilty of everything. It is pointless to argue with them because their minds are made up. One of my friends said I hope they never serve on a jury.

:laugh::laugh: Funny that they think we are part of a cult when no matter what Stevie does or says, she will always be flawless to them. They know Lindsey did absolutely nothing to deserve her cold behavior and yet she’s still (still!) their perfect Sister of the Moon :nod::nod:

I know SN fans who tried to escape and cursed her existence for like 10 minutes, but at the end.... that’s what I call a cult! :laugh:

[Villavic]

I know SN fans who tried to escape and cursed her existence for like 10 minutes, but at the end.... that’s what I call a cult! :laugh:

Now I know what Stevie Nicks and Michael Jackson have in common. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Now I know what Stevie Nicks and Michael Jackson have in common. :laugh:

Michael didn't like aging guitarists. He liked budding ones. Really really budding ones. :p

[bombaysaffires]

:laugh::laugh: Funny that they think we are part of a cult when no matter what Stevie does or says, she will always be flawless to them. They know Lindsey did absolutely nothing to deserve her cold behavior and yet she’s still (still!) their perfect Sister of the Moon :nod::nod:

I know SN fans who tried to escape and cursed her existence for like 10 minutes, but at the end.... that’s what I call a cult! :laugh:

In the interest of not doing what the SN cult does, let's be honest and say neither of the two is a saint. We all know that over the past 50 years the two of them have done sh&tty things to each other...so yeah he surely has done stuff to piss her off JUST AS she's done plenty of things to piss him off. THAT is what so f'ed up about all this.... the worst of that stuff was years ago when they both really engaged in things that set the other one off. After all these years they developed a system for dealing with it all which was basically never talking to each other, not staying in same hotels, having an entourage around Stevie that kept everyone away from her, sending Karen over to deal with Lindsey banging on the dressing room wall because her music was too loud, etc. Then go onstage, pretend (she being the biggest promoter of this) and then leave in separate SUVs to separate hotels and never interact.

All of which circles back and undermines the Chiff logic about what went on for her to insist on his firing. Because she was only having to deal with him for like 4 hours a day at best. And what new behavior could be worse than any of either of their past behavior?? He ranted about why Rhiannon was played at MusicCares?? Like, really???

[Buster]

They know Lindsey did absolutely nothing to deserve her cold behavior

I don't like how Lindsey was treated and would never support this new "Fleetwood Mac" but this is BS. Lindsey has done plenty to deserve her cold behavior.

I've seen the MusicCares video and he mocked her while she was speaking, going as far to make the jerking off motion. It's clear as day. Enough to be booted from the band? No, but childish and disrespectful.

Before I'm labeled as a Stevie cultist, I think she has done plenty herself and she is no innocent victim. I'm one of the people in the grey area.

I do laugh when people call Stevie fans cultists when so many Lindsey fans here continue to spend countless hours posting the same pro-Lindsey, anti-Stevie arguments in every thread, coming into Stevie threads and hijacking them to talk about Lindsey. Trying to buddy up to Lindsey's wife on Twitter. It's creepy. And it completely destroyed what was once a great discussion board.

[bombaysaffires]

I don't like how Lindsey was treated and would never support this new "Fleetwood Mac" but this is BS. Lindsey has done plenty to deserve her cold behavior.

I've seen the MusicCares video and he mocked her while she was speaking, going as far to make the jerking off motion. It's clear as day. Enough to be booted from the band? No, but childish and disrespectful.

Before I'm labeled as a Stevie cultist, I think she has done plenty herself and she is no innocent victim. I'm one of the people in the grey area.

I do laugh when people call Stevie fans cultists when so many Lindsey fans here continue to spend countless hours posting the same pro-Lindsey, anti-Stevie arguments in every thread, coming into Stevie threads and hijacking them to talk about Lindsey. Trying to buddy up to Lindsey's wife on Twitter. It's creepy. And it completely destroyed what was once a great discussion board.

well, now, let's not cherry pick our facts.

Did you watch the video? If so, you would have seen that Mick AND Christine made faces, smirked, rolled their eyes and then STARTED WALTZING while Stevie spoke. It was after they began dancing that LB jokingly gestured to John that the two of them could dance as well.

Funny how no one calls out MICK or CHRIS's behavior in this, just Lindsey's. That's the exact sort of bias that comes from the SN tribe (of which I was a member for DECADES).

If Lindsey's behavior during her speech merits actually firing from the band, Mick and Christine should be right out on the sidewalk with him. They aren't. So why is that????

[mitzo]

well, now, let's not cherry pick our facts.

Did you watch the video? If so, you would have seen that Mick AND Christine made faces, smirked, rolled their eyes and then STARTED WALTZING while Stevie spoke. It was after they began dancing that LB jokingly gestured to John that the two of them could dance as well.

Funny how no one calls out MICK or CHRIS's behavior in this, just Lindsey's. That's the exact sort of bias that comes from the SN tribe (of which I was a member for DECADES).

If Lindsey's behavior during her speech merits actually firing from the band, Mick and Christine should be right out on the sidewalk with him. They aren't. So why is that????

It obviously was not just the Musicares incident. It was probably the last straw after decades of stuff. Most of which may look like nothing, but Stevie, with her obvious issues (borderline personality or whatever), will probably always overreact to just about anything.

[button-lip]

In the interest of not doing what the SN cult does, let's be honest and say neither of the two is a saint. We all know that over the past 50 years the two of them have done sh&tty things to each other...so yeah he surely has done stuff to piss her off JUST AS she's done plenty of things to piss him off. THAT is what so f'ed up about all this.... the worst of that stuff was years ago when they both really engaged in things that set the other one off. After all these years they developed a system for dealing with it all which was basically never talking to each other, not staying in same hotels, having an entourage around Stevie that kept everyone away from her, sending Karen over to deal with Lindsey banging on the dressing room wall because her music was too loud, etc. Then go onstage, pretend (she being the biggest promoter of this) and then leave in separate SUVs to separate hotels and never interact.

All of which circles back and undermines the Chiff logic about what went on for her to insist on his firing. Because she was only having to deal with him for like 4 hours a day at best. And what new behavior could be worse than any of either of their past behavior?? He ranted about why Rhiannon was played at MusicCares?? Like, really???

Agree with all of this. Lindsey wasn't and will never be a saint. But what about talking like adults (like Lindsey wanted to since Azoff told him Stevie didn't want to be on the same stage with him ever again)?

I guess that's a bit too civilized for someone like Stevie....

I don't like how Lindsey was treated and would never support this new "Fleetwood Mac" but this is BS. Lindsey has done plenty to deserve her cold behavior.

I've seen the MusicCares video and he mocked her while she was speaking, going as far to make the jerking off motion. It's clear as day. Enough to be booted from the band? No, but childish and disrespectful.

Before I'm labeled as a Stevie cultist, I think she has done plenty herself and she is no innocent victim. I'm one of the people in the grey area.

I do laugh when people call Stevie fans cultists when so many Lindsey fans here continue to spend countless hours posting the same pro-Lindsey, anti-Stevie arguments in every thread, coming into Stevie threads and hijacking them to talk about Lindsey. Trying to buddy up to Lindsey's wife on Twitter. It's creepy. And it completely destroyed what was once a great discussion board.

Stevie has done plenty to receive the same kind of behavior from Lindsey, and yet, he still "loves them all".
I've seen the Musicares video too and Lindsey starts goofing around AFTER Mick and Christine make funny faces. So it's not as clear as day. Like, seriously? This has been discussed like a thousand times.

And please, there are plenty of Stevie's fans who refer to Lindsey's fans as "cultists". Plenty. Maybe your area is so grey that you can't see it clearly…. :shrug:

well, now, let's not cherry pick our facts.

Did you watch the video? If so, you would have seen that Mick AND Christine made faces, smirked, rolled their eyes and then STARTED WALTZING while Stevie spoke. It was after they began dancing that LB jokingly gestured to John that the two of them could dance as well.

Funny how no one calls out MICK or CHRIS's behavior in this, just Lindsey's. That's the exact sort of bias that comes from the SN tribe (of which I was a member for DECADES).

If Lindsey's behavior during her speech merits actually firing from the band, Mick and Christine should be right out on the sidewalk with him. They aren't. So why is that????

Why is that? Because for Stevie (and her cult) there has always been about Lindsey, and only Lindsey….

[sue]

Oh for goodness sake, once and for all....
SHE got rid of him, she got him fired, end of ...kaput ...all her doing.

She has born a grudge or whatever for years, years, years.
And has waited and waited, till the scales tilted in her favour..

She finally got rid of him, when really he was of no use,( to her) as Fleetwood Mac was not going to make any new music, from her LA tower, she had decreed it.
Once Buckvie was released that was the final nail in his coffin, ...Christine returning was a major catalyst to Lindsey’s demise....

There’s really not much more to say , you can argue any possible reasons behind her actions..... but the fact is she done the deed.
The gal’s guilty.....
(even I can see that as a true Mac fan, neither Lindsey or Stevie fan, I love them both)

[HomerMcvie]

Oh for goodness sake, once and for all....
SHE got rid of him, she got him fired, end of ...kaput ...all her doing.

She has born a grudge or whatever for years, years, years.
And has waited and waited, till the scales tilted in her favour..

She finally got rid of him, when really he was of no use,( to her) as Fleetwood Mac was not going to make any new music, from her LA tower, she had decreed it.
Once Buckvie was released that was the final nail in his coffin, ...Christine returning was a major catalyst to Lindsey’s demise....

There’s really not much more to say , you can argue any possible reasons behind her actions..... but the fact is she done the deed.
The gal’s guilty.....
(even I can see that as a true Mac fan, neither Lindsey or Stevie fan, I love them both)
YEP! Her cult just can't accept that $he could do something so mean and downright evil. Ungrateful pos, she is.

[Murrow]

Now I know what Stevie Nicks and Michael Jackson have in common. :laugh:

Apart from the face jobs you mean?

[Murrow]

Whatever the case SN should have just quit the kitchen if she didn't like the heat. But Mick never had the heart to say that to her.

[cbBen]

Whatever the case SN should have just quit the kitchen if she didn't like the heat. But Mick never had the heart to say that to her.

This is what I pointed out when someone brought up Neil Young and CSNY. When he had a problem with Crosby over drug use, and felt he couldn't work with him anymore, Neil was far and away the biggest star in the group. He could easily have lobbied the others to kick out Crosby (who was becoming increasingly difficult and decreasingly creative).

Instead, Neil quit and let the others carry on without him for ten years until Crosby got clean. In so doing Neil may have left a lot of money on the table (the next two CSN albums were smash hits), but he didn't plot behind anyone's back to get someone fired. He left himself.

[HomerMcvie]

Instead, Neil quit and let the others carry on without him for ten years until Crosby got clean. In so doing Neil may have left a lot of money on the table (the next two CSN albums were smash hits), but he didn't plot behind anyone's back to get someone fired. He left himself.

$tevie would NEVER do that. Because it's ALL about her.

$he's not the boss. Yeah, right. F*cking egomaniac is what $he is.

[elle]

This is what I pointed out when someone brought up Neil Young and CSNY. When he had a problem with Crosby over drug use, and felt he couldn't work with him anymore, Neil was far and away the biggest star in the group. He could easily have lobbied the others to kick out Crosby (who was becoming increasingly difficult and decreasingly creative).

Instead, Neil quit and let the others carry on without him for ten years until Crosby got clean. In so doing Neil may have left a lot of money on the table (the next two CSN albums were smash hits), but he didn't plot behind anyone's back to get someone fired. He left himself.

exactly.

although i initially listened to the voices saying she wanted to do that and Mick made her stay to make sure his pockets are filled as much as possible, after seeing all the happenings from the last 2 years, i don't blame it so singularly on Mick anymore. she's not the victim, she's a perpetrator. like someone said, her obsession with "haunting Lindsey forever" (after dumping him?!) was initially expressed back in 1976 with Silver Springs, and sadly for her it never went away.

[cbBen]

I do laugh when people call Stevie fans cultists when so many Lindsey fans here continue to spend countless hours posting the same pro-Lindsey, anti-Stevie arguments in every thread, coming into Stevie threads and hijacking them to talk about Lindsey. Trying to buddy up to Lindsey's wife on Twitter. It's creepy. And it completely destroyed what was once a great discussion board.

With all due respect, I think from the Twitter interaction we've had it's evident that she and I have become buddies. I'd tell you how many Tweets of mine she's liked, but I'm afraid it would just come off as bragging.

[Nicks Fan]

I don't like how Lindsey was treated and would never support this new "Fleetwood Mac" but this is BS. Lindsey has done plenty to deserve her cold behavior.

I've seen the MusicCares video and he mocked her while she was speaking, going as far to make the jerking off motion. It's clear as day. Enough to be booted from the band? No, but childish and disrespectful.

Before I'm labeled as a Stevie cultist, I think she has done plenty herself and she is no innocent victim. I'm one of the people in the grey area.

I do laugh when people call Stevie fans cultists when so many Lindsey fans here continue to spend countless hours posting the same pro-Lindsey, anti-Stevie arguments in every thread, coming into Stevie threads and hijacking them to talk about Lindsey. Trying to buddy up to Lindsey's wife on Twitter. It's creepy. And it completely destroyed what was once a great discussion board.

The same could be said of those who are friends with Lindsey's Ex Carol, Ken, Richard etc or anyone else who has or had anything to do with FM and or SN. They hang on every word and stir the **** anytime one of them posts something that is anti Lindsey or about FM.

As for your comments about destroying a great discussion board what is their to discuss? The band is the one who keeps trashing Lindsey every chance they get. Why you think we shouldn't be able to discuss it even it seems like rehashing is beyond me. If the band can continue to talk about it so can we.

[bombaysaffires]

Whatever the case SN should have just quit the kitchen if she didn't like the heat. But Mick never had the heart to say that to her.

Wrong body part.

What he lacked was balls.

[button-lip]

The same could be said of those who are friends with Lindsey's Ex Carol, Ken, Richard etc or anyone else who has or had anything to do with FM and or SN. They hang on every word and stir the **** anytime one of them posts something that is anti Lindsey or about FM.

As for your comments about destroying a great discussion board what is their to discuss? The band is the one who keeps trashing Lindsey every chance they get. Why you think we shouldn't be able to discuss it even it seems like rehashing is beyond me. If the band can continue to talk about it so can we.

Exactly. Why should we "move on" or "let it go" when Mick keeps trashing Lindsey at every opportunity he has or Stevie keeps mentioning him like they were best buddies? My God, I still don't get it!

As for KB, many so-called Lindsey's fans don't agree with her behavior during Lindsey's firing, so it's not like everybody likes her. Granted, those are all the shippers who think she's the reason Stevie was "forced" to give that ultimatum to Mick, when in fact she's in love with him and of course he's also still in love with her..... :]:]:]:]

I can get the shipper part. What I can't get is the hate towards someone who took good care of Lindsey when his bandametes gave him the cold shoulder. Just because master Stevie says so. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

1. Almost instant, blind vilification of Lindsey by a huge chunk of folks who acted as if they were just waiting to have a reason to finally be happy he is out of the band, why that is I don’t really understand.
It wasn’t a matter of being happy, but between the Stevie-Lindsey love-hate relationship being beaten into the ground as the band’s defining storyline and the growing reliance on prerecords, I welcomed the change, and I was happy that they brought in respectable musicians. Anyway, we got to hear Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey Buckingham rarities live in 2018 that might not have happened without the split.

That said, it seemed like he stopped trying to appease Stevie and stopped playing along with the Stevie-Lindsey storyline after Christine returned. He also seemed to have a chip on his shoulder during the Classic shows and promotions. It’s like he forgot or maybe never realized that there’s no such thing as an equal partnership in a band where one member has sold 30 million albums independent of the band and is considered an icon.

2. The amplification of all things related to Lindsey’s behavior and events 40 years ago while at the same time ignoring John McVies abusive alcoholism as well as the collective drug and party culture that affected every member of the band.
I agree, however John’s alcoholism didn’t have long term implications on the band’s ability to function. John and Christine were able to move on from it and continued to have a great working relationship as well as a good friendship.

Ken C’s recent remarks about Lindsey having the audacity to work on tusk tracks at home, but failing to mention how Stevie worked on Sara with Tom M. In an all together separate session. The shear amount of double standards and attempts to revise history is pretty shocking by fans and band members.
Not the same thing at all. After the 1975 album, the writers would separately go into studios to flush out demos. For example, John worked out the bass line on “Love Will Show Us How” during the demo sessions for Christine’s 1984 album, even though he didn’t play on the album. That’s what Stevie was doing with Tom. Lindsey was recording final album tracks at home, which is what Ken and some within the band (notably John) objected to.

3. Magically, overnight there were legions of fans who were predominantly fans because of the ‘75 lineup, magically had an affection for every incarnation of the band and then used this as an excuse to feed into Micks “we’ve always had a revolving line up so this is business as usual” defense.
I can’t speak to this, since I have always been a fan of the band as a whole. However, I remember reading lots of comments over the years, especially starting in 2009, that people were tired of the stale setlists and were going to skip shows because there was nothing new. And, while there were deep cuts in the 2018 tour, they weren’t so deep that people who were predominantly fans of the classic lineup wouldn’t have heard.

4. There was a time when fans could objectively look at the past knowing what we do know and come to the conclusion that NONE of them were saints on any level. Yet, with the events of 2018/2019 Some fans and folks like Ken C. have decided to paint this picture that everyone else was a saint to work with and it was always Lindsey being the difficult one.
Mick, Christine, Stevie, and Ken have all sung his praises, too. Lindsey was the one who pushed the hardest in the studio, he’s the one who had the creative vision. However, I think he had difficulties compromising, and I suspect that played a part in his dismissal.

[SteveMacD]

Did you watch the video? If so, you would have seen that Mick AND Christine made faces, smirked, rolled their eyes and then STARTED WALTZING while Stevie spoke. It was after they began dancing that LB jokingly gestured to John that the two of them could dance as well.
Stevie has very different relationships with Christine and Mick than she does with Lindsey, and for all we know, they might have gotten heat for it, too.

[cbBen]

It’s like he forgot or maybe never realized that there’s no such thing as an equal partnership in a band where one member has sold 30 million albums independent of the band and is considered an icon.

This is true, and perhaps he did forget it. But I think he was aware of it broadly, as in interviews he would reference (and not negatively) band politics, which he acknowledged were there and should be there. I always took this to mean he understood Stevie had more power. I think he just underestimated how much more, and misjudged how readily–and to what end–she was prepared to exercise it.

[SteveMacD]

Whatever the case SN should have just quit the kitchen if she didn't like the heat. But Mick never had the heart to say that to her.
Stevie is the big star in the band and he’s closer friends with her than he ever was with Lindsey. He’s not going out a limb at this point in life and risk losing a friendship and earning potential.

[HomerMcvie]

Can I just point out though that Mick has gone against Stevie? It was in 2012 before Chris came back, and he literally was the biggest drama queen and wondered whether FM would ever tour again. This was not even 6 months after her mom died. Let's not pretend Mick has any actual friendship or loyalty to Stevie more than he does to Lindsey. If Lindsey was the moneymaker? His friendship to stevie would be easily tossed aside. He has zero backbone

Ding ding, ding!

Mick is just a money whore. He'd go against his Mom if he could make a buck. He's really is a piece of sh*t.

[SteveMacD]

Let's not pretend Mick has any actual friendship or loyalty to Stevie more than he does to Lindsey. If Lindsey was the moneymaker? His friendship to stevie would be easily tossed aside. He has zero backbone
Maybe. It just seems like Mick and Stevie seem to meet up in Europe during vacations an awful lot, and Stevie has said that she and Mick are the type of friends who watch movies together or something like that. I don’t think Lindsey has the type of personality that lends itself to having that type of friendship with anyone. I don’t mean that as a criticism, it’s part of what makes him a genius at what he does.

[David]

It just seems like Mick and Stevie seem to meet up in Europe during vacations an awful lot, and Stevie has said that she and Mick are the type of friends who watch movies together or something like that. Mick and Stevie are (or were?) one of the closest friendships in the band. They socialized together over the years. Mick was always backstage after a show or at the Supper Club at the Forum after a Stevie Nicks concert in LA. They towed around together in the late ’70s and ’80s a lot. They went to awards shows together, they did interviews together, they stayed at each other’s houses, and Mick even camp-followed the Stevie Nicks Southern California tour in 1986. It was a really close friendship—and might still be today, I don’t know.

Of course that’s not to say that he wouldn’t throw her under a bus for three quid.

[vivfox]

Mick and Stevie are (or were?) one of the closest friendships in the band. It was a really close friendship—and might still be today, I don’t know.

Of course that’s not to say that he wouldn’t throw her under a bus for three quid.


:lol::lol::lol:

[pauls90]

As for your comments about destroying a great discussion board what is their to discuss? The band is the one who keeps trashing Lindsey every chance they get. Why you think we shouldn't be able to discuss it even it seems like rehashing is beyond me. If the band can continue to talk about it so can we.

Agreed. I think the ongoing discussion is also valid because it feels as if we are still missing important pieces of the puzzle here. Things still do not totally add up and for some reason *both* sides have only addressed everything with very vague and elusive explanations yet there have been really no concrete details as to exactly what happened. It seems to me everyone continues to tiptoe around the truth and it's becoming more and more frustrating as a fan to not be able to understand what really happened.

[Buster]

As for your comments about destroying a great discussion board what is their to discuss? The band is the one who keeps trashing Lindsey every chance they get. Why you think we shouldn't be able to discuss it even it seems like rehashing is beyond me. If the band can continue to talk about it so can we.

I didn't say you can't discuss it. I said people here (a handful) have destroyed the entire discussion board with insults, misogynist comments, etc. It's impossible to have a discussion about a recent Stevie Nicks concert without those who haven't nothing better to do than come in, change the subject, and ruin the thread.

I've been on this board for 15 years regardless of what it says on my profile and what used to be a place for interesting discussions about the band and a variety of topics, and a place to find/maintain friendships is now a dump and there are people beyond the band to blame for that. They should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their ego, obsessive-compulsive behavior, and bitterness to destroy enjoyment for others.

[lovethemac1]

I didn't say you can't discuss it. I said people here (a handful) have destroyed the entire discussion board with insults, misogynist comments, etc. It's impossible to have a discussion about a recent Stevie Nicks concert without those who haven't nothing better to do than come in, change the subject, and ruin the thread.

I've been on this board for 15 years regardless of what it says on my profile and what used to be a place for interesting discussions about the band and a variety of topics, and a place to find/maintain friendships is now a dump and there are people beyond the band to blame for that. They should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their ego, obsessive-compulsive behavior, and bitterness to destroy enjoyment for others.

This is how I feel about Stevie and Mick.

[HomerMcvie]

This is how I feel about Stevie and Mick.

Marry me?:angel:

Buster HATES it when anyone says anything bad about his Queen. Her farts smell like roses....:lol:

This is a happy FM day, though. Lindsey has tour dates out!!!!

Even if he never played again, I'm just so happy that he's back up and running. :angel::angel::angel:

[jbrownsjr]

Marry me?:angel:

Buster HATES it when anyone says anything bad about his Queen. Her farts smell like roses....:lol:

This is a happy FM day, though. Lindsey has tour dates out!!!!

Even if he never played again, I'm just so happy that he's back up and running. :angel::angel::angel:

Christine's farts smelled like champagne. :eek:

[HomerMcvie]

Christine's farts smelled like champagne. :eek:

Did you squeeze the Charmin? I mean Christine?:lol:

[elle]

Marry me?:angel:

Buster HATES it when anyone says anything bad about his Queen. Her farts smell like roses....:lol:

This is a happy FM day, though. Lindsey has tour dates out!!!!

Even if he never played again, I'm just so happy that he's back up and running. :angel::angel::angel:

yup happy happy time for FM and LB fans!! - and no, resident LB haters on TL cannot spoil it for us, however much they try! :blob2: :blob1:

lol yeah i read that "they should be ashamed" part as being about Stevie and Mick, just as you and lovethemac1 did, Homer - there's no other way to read it. :thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

. They should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their ego, obsessive-compulsive behavior, and bitterness to destroy enjoyment for others.

This is how I feel about $tevie fans and their constant reminders of how $he's the biggest star despite having the least talented and a nasal voice that's like nails on a chalkboard.

[vivfox]

yup happy happy time for FM and LB fans!! - and no, resident LB haters on TL cannot spoil it for us, however much they try! :blob2: :blob1:

Hahahahhahahaaa it's the LB fanatics who destroy the peace around here and will continue to bash Stevie at every turn.

This is how I feel about $tevie fans and their constant reminders of how $he's the biggest star despite having the least talented and a nasal voice that's like nails on a chalkboard.

Okay Ms/Mr Mod, whatever you say ahhahahahahhahhahahahaa. Without Stevie this site would be dead. Without Stevie, FM would be where they were in 1995. Her unique nasal voice is the golden egg of FM.

[jbrownsjr]

Hahahahhahahaaa it's the LB fanatics who destroy the peace around here and will continue to bash Stevie at every turn.


Okay Ms/Mr Mod, whatever you say ahhahahahahhahhahahahaa. Without Stevie this site would be dead. Without Stevie, FM would be where they were in 1995. Her unique nasal voice is the golden egg of FM.

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. All the goat worshippers left and we are still here!! OMG... the walls came tumbling down!!

[HomerMcvie]

Okay Ms/Mr Mod, whatever you say ahhahahahahhahhahahahaa. Without Stevie this site would be dead. Without Stevie, FM would be where they were in 1995. Her unique nasal voice is the golden egg of FM.

:lol::lol::lol:
You Chiffonheads are really something ELSE.
:lol::lol::lol:

[jbrownsjr]

yup happy happy time for FM and LB fans!! - and no, resident LB haters on TL cannot spoil it for us, however much they try! :blob2: :blob1:

lol yeah i read that "they should be ashamed" part as being about Stevie and Mick, just as you and lovethemac1 did, Homer - there's no other way to read it. :thumbsup:

Only goat is allowed to be happy!! nobody else.

[jbrownsjr]

:lol::lol::lol:
You Chiffonheads are really something ELSE.
:lol::lol::lol:

They can't stand the fact that everyone doesn't fall in line. How dare you not love that nasal whining!! How dare you not love her ego and her stardom??!!
How dare you have taste??

[HomerMcvie]

They can't stand the fact that everyone doesn't fall in line. How dare you not love that nasal whining!! How dare you not love her ego and her stardom??!!
How dare you have taste??

If you think the Ledge can't exist without the nasty old goat, THEN YOU'RE NOT A FLEETWOOD MAC FAN. You're a nasty old goat fan.

I believe $he has her own forum here. That's probably a happy zone for those people.

[bombaysaffires]

Hahahahhahahaaa it's the LB fanatics who destroy the peace around here and will continue to bash Stevie at every turn.


Okay Ms/Mr Mod, whatever you say ahhahahahahhahhahahahaa. Without Stevie this site would be dead. Without Stevie, FM would be where they were in 1995. Her unique nasal voice is the golden egg of FM.

I don't agree with most of the premises of Viv's post but the last line, [getting ready to duck the rotten tomatoes coming my way] is probably valid regarding the vast majority of the public. Say what you will, Homer, but I am first and foremost a fan of the *band* and the chemistry that comes from the Rumours5, and always have been. For that reason I feel Stevie's songs aren't the same without Lindsey's input, and Lindsey's songs aren't the same without Stevie singing on them. That said, with Lindsey out of the band now, Viv is right, Stevie is the golden egg that draws the majority fans to live shows (degraded voice and all), despite the significant numbers of Chris fans. :sorry:

[elle]

Hahahahhahahaaa it's the LB fanatics who destroy the peace around here and will continue to bash Stevie at every turn.


Okay Ms/Mr Mod, whatever you say ahhahahahahhahhahahahaa. Without Stevie this site would be dead. Without Stevie, FM would be where they were in 1995. Her unique nasal voice is the golden egg of FM.

there you go - exhibit A. you just proved my point. :woohoo:

and, the posts most chiffs cannot deal with and keep complaining about are actually by Chris fans and not LB fanatics, so wrong on that account too.

the site is not dead (as much as sites like this can survive in the era of social media), even though most people left here are not pure chiffs and are unhappy with Stevie. and no, chiff stans who come here to moan and complain and scold all the time , longing for the "good ole days" of Stevie worship and Lindsey bashing, are not keeping the site alive, they are just making it negative. :laugh:

and for 1000th time, nobody argues about the chiff queen being the band's golden egg. especially now when she managed to get rid of LB.

[jbrownsjr]

I don't agree with most of the premises of Viv's post but the last line, [getting ready to duck the rotten tomatoes coming my way] is probably valid regarding the vast majority of the public. Say what you will, Homer, but I am first and foremost a fan of the *band* and the chemistry that comes from the Rumours5, and always have been. For that reason I feel Stevie's songs aren't the same without Lindsey's input, and Lindsey's songs aren't the same without Stevie singing on them. That said, with Lindsey out of the band now, Viv is right, Stevie is the golden egg that draws the majority fans to live shows (degraded voice and all), despite the significant numbers of Chris fans. :sorry:

I agree with your sentiment. Dreams (studio) is still a song I stop and listen to the 3 voices AND I'm in awe of some of the things ALL 3 writers have done.

My point is that I won't bow just because she is the most popular. What $he pulled after Musicares makes her a piece of garbage, in my opinion. I don't even blame Mick as must as most people. His job is to keep Fleetwood Mac together. It's his job. He did his job with a gun to his head. Miss Pretension Superstar ego megalomaniac Nicks is the one that held the gun. Way to use your power, $tevie. Way to be a great human being.

[elle]

I agree with your sentiment. Dreams (studio) is still a song I stop and listen to the 3 voices AND I'm in awe of some of the things ALL 3 writers have done.

My point is that I won't bow just because she is the most popular. What $he pulled after Musicares makes her a piece of garbage, in my opinion. I don't even blame Mick as must as most people. His job is to keep Fleetwood Mac together. It's his job. He did his job with a gun to his head. Miss Pretension Superstar ego megalomaniac Nicks is the one that held the gun. Way to use your power, $tevie. Way to be a great human being.

oh i do blame Mick. if his job is to keep the band together he miserably failed and helped the band's fracture.

Stevie and Lindsey have been fighting since before they joined Fleetwood Mac. if Mick was doing his job he would have found the way to mediate, instead of bowing down to drama queen's demands and immediately running to promoters. they did NOT have the tour booked. there was no gun to his head. he could have taken some time and wait till chiff queen blows out her steam and comes back to negotiate. or starts "loving" Lindsey again (whatever that means because that woman doesn't seem to know what love really is).

[jbrownsjr]

oh i do blame Mick. if his job is to keep the band together he miserably failed and helped the band's fracture.

Stevie and Lindsey have been fighting since before they joined Fleetwood Mac. if Mick was doing his job he would have found the way to mediate, instead of bowing down to drama queen's demands and immediately running to promoters. they did NOT have the tour booked. there was no gun to his head. he could have taken some time and wait till chiff queen blows out her steam and comes back to negotiate. or starts "loving" Lindsey again (whatever that means because that woman doesn't seem to know what love really is).

I do agree he could have taken his time and let things die down. But, I suspect the Goat's Mgmt went to the promoters and blew things up that even Mick couldn't do damage control. Which forced him to start lying for Goat and tow the company line.

[Villavic]

Stevie and Lindsey have been fighting since before they joined Fleetwood Mac. if Mick was doing his job he would have found the way to mediate, instead of bowing down to drama queen's demands and immediately running to promoters. they did NOT have the tour booked. there was no gun to his head. he could have taken some time and wait till chiff queen blows out her steam and comes back to negotiate. or starts "loving" Lindsey again (whatever that means because that woman doesn't seem to know what love really is).

This is really interesting. It's a very possible theory. So, starting with the premise that Mick loves money. Stevie is $tevie (so I understand she loves money too). But Mick supposedly does his job, trying to keep the band together (but loves money above all things, right?). Question, do you guys think that, if some big corporation, or millionaire, offers Mick TONS of money, (and of course offers the whole band) to go again on tour (Rumours lineup of course), do you think he could find the way to mediate, and convince the band to reunite and go on the road?

[SteveMacD]

oh i do blame Mick. if his job is to keep the band together he miserably failed and helped the band's fracture.

Stevie and Lindsey have been fighting since before they joined Fleetwood Mac. if Mick was doing his job he would have found the way to mediate,
That hasn’t been Mick’s job since 1980. That was Irving’s job. Mick plays drums and keeps the band going. Maybe don’t take a passive aggressive dump on Irving’s big show and he’ll continue doing his job.

instead of bowing down to drama queen's demands and immediately running to promoters. they did NOT have the tour booked. there was no gun to his head. he could have taken some time and wait till chiff queen blows out her steam and comes back to negotiate. or starts "loving" Lindsey again (whatever that means because that woman doesn't seem to know what love really is).
Or, maybe he had gotten sick of Lindsey and being around the drama. That has to get old.

[elle]

Or, maybe he had gotten sick of Lindsey and being around the drama. That has to get oldd.

it does.

but apparently not for Mick if he keeps bowing down to the main drama queen in that band.:shrug:

[elle]

That hasn’t been Mick’s job since 1980.
you seem to be confused about various jobs - yes, Mick is not band's manager.

you may disagree with him, but Mick states that keeping that band together and going is his role in every interview he gives.

[SteveMacD]

you seem to be confused about various jobs - yes, Mick is not band's manager.

you may disagree with him, but Mick states that keeping that band together and going is his role in every interview he gives.

Well, you only selectively quoted me.

That hasn’t been Mick’s job since 1980. That was Irving’s job. Mick plays drums and keeps the band going. Maybe don’t take a passive aggressive dump on Irving’s big show and he’ll continue doing his job.
Mick’s job isn’t to be the mediator. That’s Irving’s job. Mick plays drums and finds a way for the band to move forward.

[jbrownsjr]

Back to this idee fixe. Who cares about a corporate jerkoff like Azoff? Lindsey's attitude to those shows was the correct one. Azoff is the prototypical sleazy promoter/music exec making millions off other people's work. If it wasn't for Lindsey and bands like FM making music, what would Azoff promote? I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would take the promoter's side. Bowing to corporate interests is actually what artists should do...right.

I've never seen anything really good come out of Azoff's involvement, and his role in Ticketmaster/Live Nation tells you everything you need to know about Azoff. So not hard to side against him about anything. He ain't exactly David Geffen.

And I do agree that Azoff had a lot to do with Lindsey's firing. But that shows what a sleazeball he is. He's a band wrecker.

This is exactly how I feel. I think sleezy Nicks took it out of the band's hands and went right for the the jugular. I'm willing to bet Mick had a gun to his head.

[vivfox]

This is exactly how I feel. I'm willing to bet Mick

How honorable of you.:laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

How honorable of you.:laugh:

Much appreciated. :D

[vivfox]

Much appreciated. :D


Good editing job on your part.

[HomerMcvie]

Good editing job on your part.

Do you have a problem with him?

Just because he's a mod, doesn't mean that he's not a fan(WHY would anyone mod who's not a fan), and doesn't have an opinion. He's allowed that. So settle TF down.

[jbrownsjr]

Good editing job on your part.

Again, much appreciated. :D

[jbrownsjr]

Do you have a problem with him?

Just because he's a mod, doesn't mean that he's not a fan(WHY would anyone mod who's not a fan), and doesn't have an opinion. He's allowed that. So settle TF down.

Awww, thanks Homer. You put a smile on my face. I'm very much a fan. But, I've got thick skin. Until our admin. tells me to cool it, (and she has once or twice) I'm going to voice my opinion. If I wasn't a fan, I might just go along with everything mgmt. does. LIke my brother does with the Cleveland Browns. **


** don't ask. :p

[button-lip]

I do agree he could have taken his time and let things die down. But, I suspect the Goat's Mgmt went to the promoters and blew things up that even Mick couldn't do damage control. Which forced him to start lying for Goat and tow the company line.

I agree this is exactly what happened. Mick was probably willing to try and mend things between Lindsey and Stevie. But Goat was determined to get rid of Lindsey. And this time it had to be final. :nod::nod:

Even though I blame both Stevie and Mick, I don't blame him equally. I strogly believe we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for Stevie. Mick was just a tool. But, hey, I understand it's maybe easier to believe Mick's lies in order to allow yourserlf to love Stevie again.... :rolleyes:

[jbrownsjr]

I agree this is exactly what happened. Mick was probably willing to try and mend things between Lindsey and Stevie. But Goat was determined to get rid of Lindsey. And this time it had to be final. :nod::nod:

Even though I blame both Stevie and Mick, I don't blame him equally. I strogly believe we wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for Stevie. Mick was just a tool. But, hey, I understand it's maybe easier to believe Mick's lies in order to allow yourserlf to love Stevie again.... :rolleyes:

Can I get an AMEN??? Sleazy Nicks and Co. don't need Mick. He needs her.

[HomerMcvie]

Can I get an AMEN??? Sleazy Nicks and Co. don't need Mick. He needs her.

Exactly.

Unfortunately, Sleazy Nicks holds the cards.

[Storms123]

Can I get an AMEN??? Sleazy Nicks and Co. don't need Mick. He needs her.

AMEN! Mick actually needs a lot of people

[jbrownsjr]

AMEN! Mick actually needs a lot of people

True, but for the million dollar figure. He needs Sleazy Nicks.

[SteveMacD]

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/02/kyle-meredith-with-mike-campbell/

“ As far as his other day job as the new guitarist in Fleetwood Mac, Campbell says that he’d like to do an album instead of only live shows, but that might have to wait until Stevie Nicks does her Rhiannon film.”

[jbrownsjr]

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/02/kyle-meredith-with-mike-campbell/

“ As far as his other day job as the new guitarist in Fleetwood Mac, Campbell says that he’d like to do an album instead of only live shows, but that might have to wait until Stevie Nicks does her Rhiannon film.”

What a surprise!! :laugh:

[vivfox]

https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/02/kyle-meredith-with-mike-campbell/

“ As far as his other day job as the new guitarist in Fleetwood Mac, Campbell says that he’d like to do an album instead of only live shows, but that might have to wait until Stevie Nicks does her Rhiannon film.”

Re-reading his quote tells me that he might be being sarcastic. Meaning he'd love to record a FM record but the likelihood of that happening would be equal to SN releasing her Rhiannon film.

And we all know that's never going to happen.

[elle]

Re-reading his quote tells me that he might be being sarcastic. Meaning he'd love to record a FM record but the likelihood of that happening would be equal to SN releasing her Rhiannon film.

And we all know that's never going to happen.

yup! guess a bit more subtle equivalent to when pigs fly. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Re-reading his quote tells me that he might be being sarcastic. Meaning he'd love to record a FM record but the likelihood of that happening would be equal to SN releasing her Rhiannon film.

And we all know that's never going to happen.
Obviously. If anything, I give him props for going there.

[elle]

Obviously. If anything, I give him props for going there.

i like how you give a touring contractor props for shooting his chances down. but a full fledged band member who has crafted their sound and wrote and sang their biggest hit? nah, that guy should just appease the lowest common denominator, according to you.

btw i just loved how for Mick interview preceding his PG tribute tonight, the music they played in the studio to introduce Fleetwood Mac was - Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop and Tusk.:) :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

btw i just loved how for Mick interview preceding his PG tribute tonight, the music they played in the studio to introduce Fleetwood Mac was - Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop and Tusk.:) :woohoo:

BuckVie!!!

[bombaysaffires]

Mike's actual quote re: FM and Stevie:

Interviewer: I would like to ask, if you're ok with it, one about Fleetwood too, because that's sort of your other life right now. Is the future of FM in live music only?

Mike: That's a good question! Coz when I first got the call from Mick, and he said 'You're in the band, you know, if you want to be. This is not an audition'. And I said 'Ok great.' Well...I..I thought about it for a day and called him back and said 'yeah, I'm in'. I said, 'You know, it starts with the songs'. I assumed we were gonna make a record first. And he goes 'oh well we've got these tour commitments' -- which ended up being a year and a half! (laughs) And.. so... we had a meeting at the end of the tour, and they all decided that uh..they don't really want to do any more looong tours like that again, but they're open to doing a handful of gigs if they come up. And nobody really mentioned recording... I mean, I would love...with Neil Finn and me and that band we could make a great record, and if they want to do it I'm up for it.

[Interviewer mentions FM history of bringing in new guitarists and styles, etc]
Mike: The greatest rhythm section. You know, if you think about it they're the longest lasting rock and roll rhythm section still together. And.. it was a joy playing with them every night, they're just amazing. So we'll see. I mean I would love to record with them, but I don't know where their heads are at exactly on that, but... we'll wait and see.

Interviewer: You cowrote a lot of songs with Stevie too for some of her solo stuff. Do you all ever talk about bringing that stuff out?

Mike: uh... it's funny I found a track the other day that I forgot we had done. It was really good and I sent it to her and said, you know, 'you should check this out'. I haven't heard back yet (laughs). But...you know, she's real busy, she wants to do a film, about Rhiannon, she's got some tour dates, and...she wants to, you know, do that for a year, year and a half, so... everybody else can do other things for now.

[Steviegirl]

Mike's actual quote re: FM and Stevie:

But...you know, she's real busy, she wants to do a film, about Rhiannon, she's got some tour dates, and...she wants to, you know, do that for a year, year and a half, so... everybody else can do other things for now.

I stand by my position that the motivating factor for Lindsey's firing was Stevie's chance to drag Mike Campbell around as
A. Some kind of ghoulish tribute to Tom Petty
B. An opportunity to hook Mike up with a financial windfall and chance to be a rock star again
C. Her chance to pretend to be the lead singer of The Heartbreakers
Since he made this evil pact, I hope he enjoys doing "other things for now," which translates to sitting around waiting to be a bit player in Stevie's life instead of the star of his own.

Sorry. Still not over it.

[jbrownsjr]

I stand by my position that the motivating factor for Lindsey's firing was Stevie's chance to drag Mike Campbell around as
A. Some kind of ghoulish tribute to Tom Petty
B. An opportunity to hook Mike up with a financial windfall and chance to be a rock star again
C. Her chance to pretend to be the lead singer of The Heartbreakers
Since he made this evil pact, I hope he enjoys doing "other things for now," which translates to sitting around waiting to be a bit player in Stevie's life instead of the star of his own.

Sorry. Still not over it.

Don't be sorry for being spot on. It was a power play, and Sleazy played it perfectly.

[sleepless child]

I just watched again, Lindsey's interview on CBS and he called it a "coup" So I wonder if it wasn't some sort of power play on Stevie's part to be in total charge of FM.

[SteveMacD]

I just watched again, Lindsey's interview on CBS and he called it a "coup" So I wonder if it wasn't some sort of power play on Stevie's part to be in total charge of FM.
Power play? It’s a rock band. The three who didn’t take 16 years off got kind if sick of dealing with him and there were other critically acclaimed artists available. We could debate a laundry list of factors ad nauseam for the millionth time, but it’s ultimately that simple.

Does it really need to be that complicated?

[elle]

Power play? It’s a rock band. The three who didn’t take 16 years off got kind if sick of dealing with him and there were other critically acclaimed artists available. We could debate a laundry list of factors ad nauseam for the millionth time, but it’s ultimately that simple.

Does it really need to be that complicated?

it is not complicated. it was Stevie's power play, regardless of how much you are trying to push the false pr narrative that it was "the whole band."

[SteveMacD]

it is not complicated. it was Stevie's power play, regardless of how much you are trying to push the false pr narrative that it was "the whole band."
Exactly my point. “Power play” and “false narrative”???

It’s a friggin’ rock band.

I’m sure they were getting advice from legal (especially to not let Stevie do any more interviews), but the conspiracy theories have been crazy.

[BigAl84]

Exactly my point. “Power play” and “false narrative”???

It’s a friggin’ rock band.

I’m sure they were getting advice from legal (especially to not let Stevie do any more interviews), but the conspiracy theories have been crazy.

Conspiracy theories? or do you mean circumstantial evidence that is pretty well documented in legal papers?

[Storms123]

Conspiracy theories? or do you mean circumstantial evidence that is pretty well documented in legal papers?

Agreed--The legal papers were very descriptive, the band didn't refute or counter, furthermore, they settled out of court.
Even for as much time as passed, I find it funny that people (maybe the band included although I would have to think they expected it) didn't think LB WOULD sue them.

[HomerMcvie]

Agreed--The legal papers were very descriptive, the band didn't refute or counter, furthermore, they settled out of court.
Even for as much time as passed, I find it funny that people (maybe the band included although I would have to think they expected it) didn't think LB WOULD sue them.

He should have sued them. After 40 years, they fire him? They'd have been washed up has beens years ago, if it weren't for him.

[Nicks Fan]

He should have sued them. After 40 years, they fire him? They'd have been washed up has beens years ago, if it weren't for him.

They sure would. Tango was the record that gave them a comeback and also got Mick out of bankruptcy. If it were not for him and the many times he did them a solid they wouldn't be enjoying the success they have and continue to have.

You can hate him all you want but the facts are the facts. While others were not present for various reasons he kept this band together and relevant. He did the lions share of the work and never really got the credit he deserved.

[jbrownsjr]

They sure would. Tango was the record that gave them a comeback and also got Mick out of bankruptcy. If it were not for him and the many times he did them a solid they wouldn't be enjoying the success they have and continue to have.

You can hate him all you want but the facts are the facts. While others were not present for various reasons he kept this band together and relevant. He did the lions share of the work and never really got the credit he deserved.

Don't hate him and you are absolutely right. He worked more than any of them. Christine worked and wrote, but after that... ehhhh

Sleazy cared more about her solo career, and Mick was a mess. And John lays down bass and goes home.

[jwd]

They sure would. Tango was the record that gave them a comeback and also got Mick out of bankruptcy. If it were not for him and the many times he did them a solid they wouldn't be enjoying the success they have and continue to have.

You can hate him all you want but the facts are the facts. While others were not present for various reasons he kept this band together and relevant. He did the lions share of the work and never really got the credit he deserved.

Yep. Absolutely. I'm probably guilty for not giving him the credit he deserved all these years. I've seen the light. I have more respect for him now than I ever have.

[jbrownsjr]

Yep. Absolutely. I'm probably guilty for not giving him the credit he deserved all these years. I've seen the light. I have more respect for him now than I ever have.

Same here. I was anti LB for a while. I was wrong.

[vivfox]

Same here. I was anti LB for a while. I was wrong.


Not me. I was never anti LB. I have always respected him since I became a FM fan during the White Album years. I have also defended him this whole century from Chiffonheads who cut him down by reminding them Stevie and Lindsey were still good friend's. That no longer applies, but that also has no affect on my respect for him.

[michelej1]

Same here. I was anti LB for a while. I was wrong.

Hmmm. This explains a lot.

[jbrownsjr]

Hmmm. This explains a lot.

I had the same beef you did. The burning bridges, her songs live didn't translate well, etc etc. etc..

I didn't realize he was mad Christine left. I thought he was happy she left.

[brucewayne]

I just want to know if Stevie, Mick, and the rest who had a hand in firing Lindsey know how badly they messed up.

Meanwhile, Lindsey seems more respected and liked than all the current members of Fleetwood Mac combined.

[button-lip]

Mick, Christine and John must have been "sick of dealing with him", like some LB's eternal haters like to explain here, but it probably never crossed their minds to plot his firing. The master mind of Lindsey's firing was Stevie. And she probably had been plotting it since 1997.

Even Richard Dashut told that story of meeting Stevie in 2017 at one of her concerts after a long time of not seeing each other, and Richard explaining to her how he had spent the last 30 years trying to forget them (or something like that), and then Stevie proceed to tell him one of the strangest answers ever: "Don't you understand?! It's Lindsey! He did this to all of us!" :eek::eek:

So, yeah, the woman has been plotting his demise since forever.

[KenshiMaster16]

Seeing how this all ended up, Destiny Rules doc randomly appeared on my YouTube suggestions so I watched it again and got unexpectedly really depressed when it got to the section where it's just Lindsey and Stevie and he is talking about how this album is basically the chance to plot a new course, rewrite all the wrongs and have a good time with each other making something special.

[HomerMcvie]

Seeing how this all ended up, Destiny Rules doc randomly appeared on my YouTube suggestions so I watched it again and got unexpectedly really depressed when it got to the section where it's just Lindsey and Stevie and he is talking about how this album is basically the chance to plot a new course, rewrite all the wrongs and have a good time with each other making something special.

Yeah, try doing that with someone you HATE.

I ALWAYS hated their fake love on stage, kissing, holding hands, etc... I never believed it, EVER. No shipper gene in my body...

Looking back now, it's even more nauseating.

[KenshiMaster16]

Yeah, try doing that with someone you HATE.

I ALWAYS hated their fake love on stage, kissing, holding hands, etc... I never believed it, EVER. No shipper gene in my body...

Looking back now, it's even more nauseating.

Eh, I don't necessarily view that scene in particular as faux shipping or a stage act, I genuinely believe Lindsey wanted to make amends creatively as he admires, and probably still does, her writing talent. As much as he may hate her personally I still believe he loved the creative body of work they produced as a duo and think that is what he wanted back; a non-hostile and beneficial working relationship.

You can see it in her face. Stevie is many things but a talented actress she is not. You can clearly tell her feelings during that doc and they are all over the place. She likes the magic they create as evident during the beginning of the recording phase, introducing her demos, ect. It drives her. It's when Lindsey becomes 'the Producer' and 'the Artsy take risks' guy that he wrecks her nerves.

[HomerMcvie]

Eh, I don't necessarily view that scene in particular as faux shipping or a stage act, I genuinely believe Lindsey wanted to make amends creatively as he admires, and probably still does, her writing talent. As much as he may hate her personally I still believe he loved the creative body of work they produced as a duo and think that is what he wanted back; a non-hostile and beneficial working relationship.

You can see it in her face. Stevie is many things but a talented actress she is not. You can clearly tell her feelings during that doc and they are all over the place. She likes the magic they create as evident during the beginning of the recording phase, introducing her demos, ect. It drives her. It's when Lindsey becomes 'the Producer' and 'the Artsy take risks' guy that he wrecks her nerves.

I agree that he was always honoring their body of work.

The hand holding and kissing was completely disrespectful to his WIFE, huge paycheck or not. Disrespectful on both their parts.

I'm sure it was miserable for all parties involved. He tolerated her, but she couldn't do the same for him, in the end.

[KenshiMaster16]

I agree that he was always honoring their body of work.

The hand holding and kissing was completely disrespectful to his WIFE, huge paycheck or not. Disrespectful on both their parts.

I'm sure it was miserable for all parties involved. He tolerated her, but she couldn't do the same for him, in the end.

Indeed. I believe she let her ego run wild. What he probably only thought was constant constructive criticism, wanting to bring out the very best of her work, she probably took as a complete and utter sign of disrespect. That and his need to always push boundaries what with experimental sounds, outward thinking when she always plays it relatively safe so to speak. Just wasn't a match in the end. Just a shame she couldn't hold out for one more farewell tour then pack it up and leave, all of them for that matter. We all know the band is over anyway. If all that's left is festivals, if the well is creatively dry, if the drive to record is gone, why bother?

[HomerMcvie]

Indeed. I believe she let her ego run wild. What he probably only thought was constant constructive criticism, wanting to bring out the very best of her work, she probably took as a complete and utter sign of disrespect. That and his need to always push boundaries what with experimental sounds, outward thinking when she always plays it relatively safe so to speak. Just wasn't a match in the end. Just a shame she couldn't hold out for one more farewell tour then pack it up and leave, all of them for that matter. We all know the band is over anyway. If all that's left is festivals, if the well is creatively dry, if the drive to record is gone, why bother?

Yep. We all know how it should have ended. Everyone except Stevie knows. Because she only cares about Stevie.

Do you think she has any remorse over it? I don't.

She's surrounded herself with PAID yes people, who fawn over even her gassy days.

[KenshiMaster16]

Yep. We all know how it should have ended. Everyone except Stevie knows. Because she only cares about Stevie.

Do you think she has any remorse over it? I don't.

She's surrounded herself with PAID yes people, who fawn over even her gassy days.


I think she would get around to feeling remorse if those yes men / women vanished. But that will never happen. They let her off wiyh no consequences, no realty and truth telling. It definitely does not help that her mom was clearly some sort of mental anchor for her and since shes been gone, Stevie's inner diva is wild and free with no one to reign it in and ground her in reality. Lindsey clearly found that for himself in his wife and kids. At the end of the day, if all the fame and riches were gone, I bet Lindsey would still have her back despite having moved on from the relationship. We all know Mick wouldn't, not if she couldn't contribute to his bank account.

[HomerMcvie]

I think she would get around to feeling remorse if those yes men / women vanished. But that will never happen. They let her off wiyh no consequences, no realty and truth telling. It definitely does not help that her mom was clearly some sort of mental anchor for her and since shes been gone, Stevie's inner diva is wild and free with no one to reign it in and ground her in reality. Lindsey clearly found that for himself in his wife and kids. At the end of the day, if all the fame and riches were gone, I bet Lindsey would still have her back despite having moved on from the relationship. We all know Mick wouldn't, not if she couldn't contribute to his bank account.

^^^^
Yep, all of that.

Everyone(I mean, her fans) have always said that her Mom was her grounding force, and when Mama died, it was Ego Mania Gone Wild. She's the greatest. Just ask her.

And she's always hated it that Lindsey found the loving home and family life that she never could.

[jbrownsjr]

Mick, Christine and John must have been "sick of dealing with him", like some LB's eternal haters like to explain here, but it probably never crossed their minds to plot his firing. The master mind of Lindsey's firing was Stevie. And she probably had been plotting it since 1997.

Even Richard Dashut told that story of meeting Stevie in 2017 at one of her concerts after a long time of not seeing each other, and Richard explaining to her how he had spent the last 30 years trying to forget them (or something like that), and then Stevie proceed to tell him one of the strangest answers ever: "Don't you understand?! It's Lindsey! He did this to all of us!" :eek::eek:

So, yeah, the woman has been plotting his demise since forever.

I agree with you. You blame the person responsible. It's easy to hate Mick, but he didn't birth this, his hand was forced. He went along so could keep working in the millions. And Mick is Mick. He's going to always go for the cash. He needs to fund his life.

But, to use your star power to get someone fired?? And have mgmt do it??? That's the lowest of the low!

[Nicks Fan]

I will never get it. I mean they did exactly what she wanted which was endless GH tours vs going in and making new music and having a new vital chapter in the band.

It is such a shame that all this band has mainly done since 97 is look back instead of looking forward. I wonder if SN had left back then vs Christine how many new albums we would have gotten from them?

[Nicks Fan]

Yep. We all know how it should have ended. Everyone except Stevie knows. Because she only cares about Stevie.

Do you think she has any remorse over it? I don't.

She's surrounded herself with PAID yes people, who fawn over even her gassy days.

I agree. Too many hangers on and or yes men who fawn over her and never rock the boat. I hope they all have money because when she stops singing and or touring there goes the meal ticket.

[button-lip]

Yep. We all know how it should have ended. Everyone except Stevie knows. Because she only cares about Stevie.

Do you think she has any remorse over it? I don't.

She's surrounded herself with PAID yes people, who fawn over even her gassy days.

The fact that she minimized his heart attack and sprayed it with fairy dust tells you how much remorse she feels. None. None at all.

She's probably eagerly waiting for the final axe over his head...

[SteveMacD]

The fact that she minimized his heart attack and sprayed it with fairy dust tells you how much remorse she feels. None. None at all.

She's probably eagerly waiting for the final axe over his head...

https://postmediacanadadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/51913842_25383795.jpg?w=640

She doesn’t feel remorse because she doesn’t feel like she did anything wrong. Interpersonal relationships became unmanageable for her and a change needed to be made. That happens in life.

[BigAl84]

Eh, I don't necessarily view that scene in particular as faux shipping or a stage act, I genuinely believe Lindsey wanted to make amends creatively as he admires, and probably still does, her writing talent. As much as he may hate her personally I still believe he loved the creative body of work they produced as a duo and think that is what he wanted back; a non-hostile and beneficial working relationship.

You can see it in her face. Stevie is many things but a talented actress she is not. You can clearly tell her feelings during that doc and they are all over the place. She likes the magic they create as evident during the beginning of the recording phase, introducing her demos, ect. It drives her. It's when Lindsey becomes 'the Producer' and 'the Artsy take risks' guy that he wrecks her nerves.

I think what triggers her every darn time is when ANYONE pushes her to do better or asks her to do something that just maybe she’s not sure about. It goes all the way back to Bella Donna. There are clips of Jimmy clearly frustrated because she “calls the lawyers” every time he asks to do another take.

[michelej1]

^^^^
Yep, all of that.

Everyone(I mean, her fans) have always said that her Mom was her grounding force, and when Mama died, it was Ego Mania Gone Wild. She's the greatest. Just ask her.

And she's always hated it that Lindsey found the loving home and family life that she never could.

Her mother and father would both have criticized her harshly, but so would Tom Petty.

[michelej1]

I had the same beef you did. The burning bridges, her songs live didn't translate well, etc etc. etc..



I had many bootlegs of Dance tour shows and I would watch their interaction together and then it was pretty clear to me that he loved her. I mean a lot of the time, if he was not at his mic singing, if he was away from his mic playing, he would just be staring right at her for a good duration of the concert. And you can’t say he was doing it for show, because no one goes to a Fleetwood Mac concert looking at the bond between Christine and Lindsey.

Also, he was upset that Christine was leaving for purely mercenary reasons too. They wanted to capitalize on the reunion momentum and her leaving put an end to that.

He had 3 million negative things to say in those SYW interviews, especially. I wanted to kill him. 33% more room! But we all remember that Christine also knocked him after the Tango exit.

[jbrownsjr]

I had many bootlegs of Dance tour shows and I would watch their interaction together and then it was pretty clear to me that he loved her. I mean a lot of the time, if he was not at his mic singing, if he was away from his mic playing, he would just be staring right at her for a good duration of the concert. And you can’t say he was doing it for show, because no one goes to a Fleetwood Mac concert looking at the bond between Christine and Lindsey.

Also, he was upset that Christine was leaving for purely mercenary reasons too. They wanted to capitalize on the reunion momentum and her leaving put an end to that.

He had 3 million negative things to say in those SYW interviews, especially. I wanted to kill him. 33% more room! But we all remember that Christine also knocked him after the Tango exit.

She did. She towed the FM Company line. Playing than we ever have. We are more of a band.

They have no filters sometimes.

[jmn3]

I had many bootlegs of Dance tour shows and I would watch their interaction together and then it was pretty clear to me that he loved her. I mean a lot of the time, if he was not at his mic singing, if he was away from his mic playing, he would just be staring right at her for a good duration of the concert. And you can’t say he was doing it for show, because no one goes to a Fleetwood Mac concert looking at the bond between Christine and Lindsey.

Also, he was upset that Christine was leaving for purely mercenary reasons too. They wanted to capitalize on the reunion momentum and her leaving put an end to that.

He had 3 million negative things to say in those SYW interviews, especially. I wanted to kill him. 33% more room! But we all remember that Christine also knocked him after the Tango exit.

His comments about the more masculine sound always killed me. As if Lindsey suddenly could make Fleetwood Mac into Metallica :rolleyes:

90% of the time Chris sounded more masculine than Lindsey!

[HomerMcvie]

His comments about the more masculine sound always killed me. As if Lindsey suddenly could make Fleetwood Mac into Metallica :rolleyes:

90% of the time Chris sounded more masculine than Lindsey!

Come was pretty close. No wonder I hate that song! (I HATE heavy metal)


I'd rather fight Lindsey than Christine(well, back when they were young).:lol:

[jmn3]

Come was pretty close. No wonder I hate that song! (I HATE heavy metal)


I'd rather fight Lindsey than Christine(well, back when they were young).:lol:

Haha, Come is NOT heavy metal! I like the song live but the album version was meh.

And Christine pre 1997 could kick a grown man's ass without a doubt and be tougher than Buck. Less so since her return.

[jmn3]

Come was pretty close. No wonder I hate that song! (I HATE heavy metal)



btw, something you and your girl Stevie have in common there!!

[HomerMcvie]

Haha, Come is NOT heavy metal! I like the song live but the album version was meh.

And Christine pre 1997 could kick a grown man's ass without a doubt and be tougher than Buck. Less so since her return.

Come sucks! There, I said it. I'd call the guitar hard rock. And the screaming.
For the millionth time, I was gifted the deluxe SYW because my cousin's roommate bought it, and HATED Come, and gave it to me. "This doesn't sound like FM!". Indeed. Come sucks!!!


Christine is an old lady now. She lost her spine in some sort of accident.

[HomerMcvie]

btw, something you and your girl Stevie have in common there!!

I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!:lol:

[button-lip]

Come was pretty close. No wonder I hate that song! (I HATE heavy metal)


I'd rather fight Lindsey than Christine(well, back when they were young).:lol:

Come is not heavy metal :laugh:

And you hate heavy metal? Ok, this is where we drift apart….. :nod::D:xoxo:

You and Stevie have more in common than you want to admit. :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Come is not heavy metal :laugh:

And you hate heavy metal? Ok, this is where we drift apart….. :nod::D:xoxo:

You and Stevie have more in common than you want to admit. :xoxo:

I had my AC/DC phase in life. I do lighting regularly for a hard rock band(wearing ear plugs!). I still like it, BUT....

I'm really a melody/harmony addict. I like pleasing sounds. Probably the reason Christine used to be my favorite. She has a soothing voice.

I HATE to be yelled at. Roger Daltry SUCKS(wasn't it Keef who said he sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard?)! Don't yell at me! Sing to me. Make me relax. I'm a hyper person anyway, so I want music to relax me.

BTW, Storms is my least favorite song(by FAR) on Tusk. It's too relaxing. More like a coma. So I don't have that in common with $tevie.

[button-lip]

I had my AC/DC phase in life. I do lighting regularly for a hard rock band(wearing ear plugs!). I still like it, BUT....

I'm really a melody/harmony addict. I like pleasing sounds. Probably the reason Christine used to be my favorite. She has a soothing voice.

I HATE to be yelled at. Roger Daltry SUCKS(wasn't it Keef who said he sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard?)! Don't yell at me! Sing to me. Make me relax. I'm a hyper person anyway, so I want music to relax me.

BTW, Storms is my least favorite song(by FAR) on Tusk. It's too relaxing. More like a coma. So I don't have that in common with $tevie.

AC/DC and Metallica are my favorite metal bands. I love it exactly for the same reasons you don't like it: I'm also a hyper person but I love to be one. I'm not a person searching for relax. And I love to get crazy and have fun moving my head with heavy metal :]:]:]

Heavy metal guitar solos are perfect. Just perfect. :nod:

Love the lyrics on Storms. The melody totally sucks. Too whiny. Too…. $tevie.

[HomerMcvie]

AC/DC and Metallica are my favorite metal bands. I love it exactly for the same reasons you don't like it: I'm also a hyper person but I love to be one. I'm not a person searching for relax. And I love to get crazy and have fun moving my head with heavy metal :]:]:]

Heavy metal guitar solos are perfect. Just perfect. :nod:

Love the lyrics on Storms. The melody totally sucks. Too whiny. Too…. $tevie.

Well, it depends on the time of day, or situation. I've sometimes been fond of things that $tevie has been fond of in the past. :wavey: :lol:
Seriously though, shutting down my brain at the end of the day is a huge task. Listening to metal late night would keep me up until dawn(actually, when I do lighting for the metal band, I have an impossible time going to sleep those nights).

The best guitar solos are country "chicken pickin'". I work on perfecting playing those daily.

At least we agree that $tevie is too $tevie. A little bit is too much! :lol:

[SteveMacD]

His comments about the more masculine sound always killed me. As if Lindsey suddenly could make Fleetwood Mac into Metallica :rolleyes:

90% of the time Chris sounded more masculine than Lindsey!

When he said that, all I could think is “Walk A Thin Line” was more masculine than “Think About Me?”

[elle]

When he said that, all I could think is “Walk A Thin Line” was more masculine than “Think About Me?”

probably my favorite 2 songs from Tusk! :]:]

[SteveMacD]

probably my favorite 2 songs from Tusk! :]:]

There’s not a bad song on that album! They were all at the top of their games.

[vivfox]

There’s not a bad song on that album!


Never Make Me Cry??

[SteveMacD]

Never Make Me Cry??

I was hoping they would have done an acoustic version of this on the LBCM tour. Just Christine singing with Lindsey on guitar.

[ViscountViktor]

Never Make Me Cry??

Always wanted this to close a tour instead of Songbird.

[jbrownsjr]

I was hoping they would have done an acoustic version of this on the LBCM tour. Just Christine singing with Lindsey on guitar.

That would have been epic. I played that song for a non-FM fan. And he said, "Wow! Now, that's a beautiful song."