Rrhof Video

[ali101]

Stand back
https://youtu.be/rUuJRBiob78

SDMHA
https://youtu.be/pfAUNX5yLz8


Induction
https://youtu.be/jBasWM8V_9w

[Netter75]

Wow I surprisingly really liked Harry Style's voice on SDMHA. Hope to get some professional audio of that performance soon!

[cbBen]

She sounded great.

[lilyfee]

These look great! Did Stevie give a speech? I saw clips of her accidentally saying Harry was a member of *NSYNC but it looked like that was at a press conference.:shrug:

[kak125]

I found the speech on facebook. Its over the 13 min. Lol
https://www.facebook.com/sara.siro2012/videos/10100990542736637?sfns=mo

[secondhandchain]

Did the ingrate thank Lindsey? Ofcourse not. Gross.

[studyinscarlet]

I found the speech on facebook. Its over the 13 min. Lol
https://www.facebook.com/sara.siro2012/videos/10100990542736637?sfns=mo

That is totally a Stevie I'd love to hang out with. :lol:

[studyinscarlet]

Did the ingrate thank Lindsey? Ofcourse not. Gross.

Why would she thank Lindsey for her solo career? Honestly, you need to get over it. Move on with your life. :shrug:

[Jondalar]

I couldn’t help but read some stuff on twitter. Apparently Stevie said that Harry Styles was a member of *NSYNC!!!!! And he inducted her!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

[BombaySapphire3]

I couldn’t help but read some stuff on twitter. Apparently Stevie said that Harry Styles was a member of *NSYNC!!!!! And he inducted her!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

She has always been kind of a ditz even though she has the skills of a machiavellian plotter.

[secondhandchain]

Why would she thank Lindsey for her solo career? Honestly, you need to get over it. Move on with your life. :shrug:

Because if it weren't for him, she wouldn't be in FM and may have never had a solo career. WHY WOULDN'T SHE THANK HIM is the question? You know the answer. She's become a shell of her old self. And NO I won't move on when it comes to this. Sorry if it ruins your image of the perfect Stevie. Truth is she SUCKS now. Nasal two note old hag.

[lovethemac1]

Why would she thank Lindsey for her solo career? Honestly, you need to get over it. Move on with your life. :shrug:

And you need to get over the fact that lots of us aren't getting over it. YOU need to move on.

Her speech was annoying......"my band," and esp "my band that is still together.." Good one, you whack job. To think how much I used to adore her, wow.

[studyinscarlet]

If you hate her, WHY are you in the Stevie section of the Ledge? Why not just bugger off to the Lindsey section and take your bitterness with you? Holy mackerel.

[studyinscarlet]

Because if it weren't for him, she wouldn't be in FM and may have never had a solo career. WHY WOULDN'T SHE THANK HIM is the question? You know the answer. She's become a shell of her old self. And NO I won't move on when it comes to this. Sorry if it ruins your image of the perfect Stevie. Truth is she SUCKS now. Nasal two note old hag.

Oh, honey I have no perfect image of Stevie. I think that was you. "This time I think that it was you, babe..."

[jkmaletic]

The bashing is just relentless. It truly amazes me sometimes.

[TheWildHeart67]

I just viewed "Stand Back," and dam , she sounded great, and I am so excited to see the pro-shot footage!! Now I'm gonna go watch the other clips 😎😎. This is fun!

[Nicks 2016]

I’ve watched all the full clips on YouTube and she sounded great on all song performances.
Loved the twirl near the end of Edge Of Seventeen.

[Netter75]

Because if it weren't for him, she wouldn't be in FM and may have never had a solo career. WHY WOULDN'T SHE THANK HIM is the question? You know the answer. She's become a shell of her old self. And NO I won't move on when it comes to this. Sorry if it ruins your image of the perfect Stevie. Truth is she SUCKS now. Nasal two note old hag.

I'd normally agree with this but I can see why Lindsey, and anyone else from Fleetwood Mac for that matter, wouldn't be on the very long thank list that she has for her solo career. In the grand scheme of things she owes a lot to her association with him but as far as him DIRECTLY affecting her solo career? She always went on about he was discouraging of it in the early years with dismissive comments (Stop Draggin’ My Career Around was his name for her first hit) and how the whole band did not acknowledge Bella Donna when she returned for Mirage. He didn't have any part of her solo career at all until Twisted, after she had already had FIVE solo albums in the can and her most successful days were over.

Not saying it was right to not thank him, I would have since he was the entire reason she was out in the music world with Buckingham Nicks, but I don't see how its necessary in this context. She wouldn't have thanked Mick, John, and Christine either for the same reasons: they put her in the position to ascertain a solo career but had no part or encouragement of building it. Those songs were her songs, those relationships with Iovine and the Heartbreakers were built by her alone, and (in her view) she ended up being a successful solo artist in SPITE of Fleetwood Mac, not necessarily because of it.

If anything it might be in worse taste if she DID thank him. I can't imagine how great it would sound if she acknowledged his immense impact on her AFTER getting him booted from the band.

I'm back and forth on the issue, and agree that she owes a lot of what she became to Lindsey Buckingham, but the solo career isn't really part of that.

[BLY]

I'd normally agree with this but I can see why Lindsey, and anyone else from Fleetwood Mac for that matter, wouldn't be on the very long thank list that she has for her solo career. In the grand scheme of things she owes a lot to her association with him but as far as him DIRECTLY affecting her solo career? She always went on about he was discouraging of it in the early years with dismissive comments (Stop Draggin’ My Career Around was his name for her first hit) and how the whole band did not acknowledge Bella Donna when she returned for Mirage. He didn't have any part of her solo career at all until Twisted, after she had already had FIVE solo albums in the can and her most successful days were over.

Not saying it was right to not thank him, I would have since he was the entire reason she was out in the music world with Buckingham Nicks, but I don't see how its necessary in this context. She wouldn't have thanked Mick, John, and Christine either for the same reasons: they put her in the position to ascertain a solo career but had no part or encouragement of building it. Those songs were her songs, those relationships with Iovine and the Heartbreakers were built by her alone, and (in her view) she ended up being a successful solo artist in SPITE of Fleetwood Mac, not necessarily because of it.

If anything it might be in worse taste if she DID thank him. I can't imagine how great it would sound if she acknowledged his immense impact on her AFTER getting him booted from the band.

I'm back and forth on the issue, and agree that she owes a lot of what she became to Lindsey Buckingham, but the solo career isn't really part of that.


I agree, it wasn’t necessary to “thank” Fleetwood Mac. The group was mentioned in the context of the role that they played in her solo career. It was a great speech in typical Stevie style. She looked and sounded good and I’m happy for her.

[bwboy]

On MSN there's a really nice article about her induction, along with pictures and videos. It mentions Harry Styles in the headline. I was wanting to read about other inductees as well but the article only mentioned her. Her induction and performances appear to be a highlight of the ceremony... maybe because of Harry being the one who inducted her and performed with her?

I have to say, Harry Styles gave a great speech and his performance on SDMHA was fantastic. That blue suit was killer, too.

[sleepless child]

From the performances I've watched, it looks great. She did slip up when she said she wrote Leather and Lace for Merle Haggard. I hope that it fixed in post production.

I couldn't get through the speech, it just started to ramble too much for me.

But when it airs on HBO, I'll be all in. LOL

[mitzo]

Did the ingrate thank Lindsey? Ofcourse not. Gross.
She can thank or not thank whoever the hell she pleases, and does not answer to internet trolls.

[jcalzaretta]

She sounded great for Edge too. She probably had the most edgy rock and roll set!!!

[BlueLight]

She really brought it. Love seeing her perform when she really cares.

[twinmatrix]

Edge of Seventeen SLAYS!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLCanMiVfKk

[Jondalar]

She said she wrote Leather and Lace for Merle Haggard and she said that Harry Styles was from *NSYNC. She is losing it.

[TheWildHeart67]

Jon, all the major news praised her performance and thought the mistakes she spoke about were funny. She's human.

[cbBen]

Edge of Seventeen SLAYS!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLCanMiVfKk

What does she say at the end of her song introduction: "So ladies and gentlemen, ___________."?

[cbBen]

"Leather And Lace": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZoJOjm1oOg

[MissJanet]

Because if it weren't for him, she wouldn't be in FM and may have never had a solo career. WHY WOULDN'T SHE THANK HIM is the question? You know the answer. She's become a shell of her old self. And NO I won't move on when it comes to this. Sorry if it ruins your image of the perfect Stevie. Truth is she SUCKS now. Nasal two note old hag.
How do you know that? "What if" scenarios work in every way. With her looks, drive and talent, she would have made it anyway, Lindsey, Fleetwood Mac or not. She has all the qualities a true star needs, she would have been even more successful without the band/the ex-boyfriend. This thesis is actually more plausible than yours. Because, comparing the solo-career success, the charting of the FM singles and the current tour of FM - it rather seems like Stevie "made" Lindsey and not the other way around.
Also, I don't see why she would thank any member of FM for the sucess of her solo career. FM were introduced to the Hall of Fame, so that is all fully covered imho.

[bwboy]

There is a great overview of the entire ceremony at www.ew.com and it's definitely worth reading. Sounds like a great night for rock and roll because the inductees were very worthy.

One thing I found interesting and disappointing was that the jam at the end featured almost none of the actual inductees. How awesome it would have been to see Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, Bryan Ferry and the others perform together.

Susanna Hoffa is 60 years old?!? Unbelievable!

[twinmatrix]

You do know we’re not supposed to personally attack other people in this form? I will be reporting you

That kind of talk is not ok on a fan forum. Moderators should be dealing with that

[twinmatrix]

What does she say at the end of her song introduction: "So ladies and gentlemen, ___________."?

Good question, I have no idea lol

[lovethemac1]

If you hate her, WHY are you in the Stevie section of the Ledge? Why not just bugger off to the Lindsey section and take your bitterness with you? Holy mackerel.

Bugger off yourself, quit telling people what they can and can't do.

[Jondalar]

That kind of talk is not ok on a fan forum. Moderators should be dealing with that

Sometimes I stick my hands underneath my armpits, then smell them.

[mitzo]

Sometimes I stick my hands underneath my armpits, then smell them.
That won't get you into the RRHOF.

[TheWildHeart67]

No, it won't get him into the RRHOF, but it gives the attention he seeks on the Ledge

[MikeInNV]

I couldn't be happier about this whole thing. She absolutely nailed every song, and she looked amazing!

[sodascouts]

Credit where credit is due. Stevie looks and sounds fantastic musically, despite any mistakes or faux pas during her speech.

[Macfan4life]

I thought her speech was meh. I think Jimmy should have inducted her as a solo artist.

I still cant believe Janet Jackson was inducted in the RRHOF
That's my outrage of the week (as the tribal others cry outrage try and reinvent Lindsey firing threads) LOL

[Jondalar]

I thought her speech was meh. I think Jimmy should have inducted her as a solo artist.

I still cant believe Janet Jackson was inducted in the RRHOF
That's my outrage of the week (as the tribal others cry outrage try and reinvent Lindsey firing threads) LOL

Janet wouldn’t perform because her and her family hate HBO after the special they ran in Michael Jackson.

[FM77]

I thought her speech was meh. I think Jimmy should have inducted her as a solo artist.

I still cant believe Janet Jackson was inducted in the RRHOF
That's my outrage of the week (as the tribal others cry outrage try and reinvent Lindsey firing threads) LOL

I agree with you.

[BombaySapphire3]

She said she wrote Leather and Lace for Merle Haggard and she said that Harry Styles was from *NSYNC. She is losing it.

I can see how she might have a mix up about boy bands..they all seem pretty generic to me too but to mix up Merle Haggard with Waylon Jennings whom she wrote the song for:shrug: she is in her dotage.

[ricohv]

There is a great overview of the entire ceremony at www.ew.com and it's definitely worth reading. Sounds like a great night for rock and roll because the inductees were very worthy.

One thing I found interesting and disappointing was that the jam at the end featured almost none of the actual inductees. How awesome it would have been to see Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, Bryan Ferry and the others perform together.

Susanna Hoffa is 60 years old?!? Unbelievable!
https://ew.com/awards/2019/03/30/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2019-ceremony/

[secondhandchain]

If you hate her, WHY are you in the Stevie section of the Ledge? Why not just bugger off to the Lindsey section and take your bitterness with you? Holy mackerel.

AGAIN I was not just an LB fan. I know that makes it easier on you to think I have always hated Stevie. NO...this just happened the last couple of years. I USED to adore her. But I don't continue to love someone when they act like a flaming D bag. From RHOF "my band that is still together. REALLY? What a piece of f'in work.

[TheWildHeart67]

I must say, reading all the crotchety bitter remarks as Stevie is inducted in RHOF as a Solo artist, makes my day!
Hahaha!! Boo Hoo ya'll!
This is a terrific weekend 😊❣️

[mitzo]

I must say, reading all the crotchety bitter remarks as Stevie is inducted in RHOF as a Solo artist, makes my day!
Hahaha!! Boo Hoo ya'll!
This is a terrific weekend 😊❣️

Ditto, I am getting a lot of LULZ from the comments from the twisted sad cases here too!

[TheWildHeart67]

Ditto, I am getting a lot of LULZ from the comments from the twisted sad cases here too!

Mitzo, All the articles in the media have been mostly favorable.Lots of press. Yet I have yet to see or hear a report about Stevie Nicks' speech on RHOF taking jabs at Lindsey. Stevie may have a cult audience, but so does Lindsey. The Ledge is his Cult board, as that's what dominating 90% of posts all over the boards.
Life will never be the same! That mean old witchy goat!!
About a band. :rolleyes:
But very funny, I gotta say:]

[TheWILDheart]

The thing that's tickling me of late is how many people are slagging Stevie off...oh she's this, she's that, she's the other, she's evil blah blah blah. WHAAAATTTEEEVVVEERRR. Fleetwood Mac, all of them, have always been a bunch of Drama Llama's. The Lindsey firing is just the latest in a long history of fall out's and backstabbing and bitching and drama. I don't know why anybody expected any different from them!!

Personally, I'm not really interested in their fallings out. Or what Stevie may or may not have done to get rid of Lindsey. None of us know her, none us know how she or Lindsey or the rest of the band were really feeling about anything.

At the end of the day....I still love Stevie's music. From Buckingham Nicks, to Fleetwood Mac, to solo - I love all of it. I love her lyrics, I love her voice. And I have done for as long as I can remember. Whatever fallings out she may have with anybody will never change that. And her induction into RRHOF is well deserved for her contribution to music. It has nothing to do with her personal or professional relationships, it's about her musical output.

"She doesn't deserve to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 'cause of what she did to poor poor poor innocent Lindsey". Actually, she deserves to be there because of her music. End of.

[TheWildHeart67]

The thing that's tickling me of late is how many people are slagging Stevie off...oh she's this, she's that, she's the other, she's evil blah blah blah. WHAAAATTTEEEVVVEERRR. Fleetwood Mac, all of them, have always been a bunch of Drama Llama's. The Lindsey firing is just the latest in a long history of fall out's and backstabbing and bitching and drama. I don't know why anybody expected any different from them!!

Personally, I'm not really interested in their fallings out. Or what Stevie may or may not have done to get rid of Lindsey. None of us know her, none us know how she or Lindsey or the rest of the band were really feeling about anything.

At the end of the day....I still love Stevie's music. From Buckingham Nicks, to Fleetwood Mac, to solo - I love all of it. I love her lyrics, I love her voice. And I have done for as long as I can remember. Whatever fallings out she may have with anybody will never change that. And her induction into RRHOF is well deserved for her contribution to music. It has nothing to do with her personal or professional relationships, it's about her musical output.

"She doesn't deserve to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 'cause of what she did to poor poor poor innocent Lindsey". Actually, she deserves to be there because of her music. End of.
I agree 100% with everything you just said, and the way you said it.
It must be a horrible horrible burden to carry on now that the band splintered.
Horrible. Life has ended! The legacy is tainted! She possibly is responsible for causing heart failure! She cast a spell.
Thankfully, they can express their feelings about it EVERY DAY!
Whew! LOL

[BlueLight]

The thing that's tickling me of late is how many people are slagging Stevie off...oh she's this, she's that, she's the other, she's evil blah blah blah. WHAAAATTTEEEVVVEERRR. Fleetwood Mac, all of them, have always been a bunch of Drama Llama's. The Lindsey firing is just the latest in a long history of fall out's and backstabbing and bitching and drama. I don't know why anybody expected any different from them!!

Personally, I'm not really interested in their fallings out. Or what Stevie may or may not have done to get rid of Lindsey. None of us know her, none us know how she or Lindsey or the rest of the band were really feeling about anything.

At the end of the day....I still love Stevie's music. From Buckingham Nicks, to Fleetwood Mac, to solo - I love all of it. I love her lyrics, I love her voice. And I have done for as long as I can remember. Whatever fallings out she may have with anybody will never change that. And her induction into RRHOF is well deserved for her contribution to music. It has nothing to do with her personal or professional relationships, it's about her musical output.

"She doesn't deserve to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 'cause of what she did to poor poor poor innocent Lindsey". Actually, she deserves to be there because of her music. End of.

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. It makes me happy to see some sanity returning to this board. The Lindsey obsessives have hijacked it for far too long.

[TheWILDheart]

Thank god it's not just me!! :blob2::blob1:

Don't get me wrong, her ethics as a person at the moment are probably quite questionable, but lets face it, we've all made bad, impulsive, emotional charged, questionable decisions in life because we're F*CKING HUMAN. It happens.

But equally, I don't think Lindsey is entirely blameless either.

And ultimately....urgh, whatever, just enjoy the music.

[AliceLover]

As disappointed as I am with the FM drama, she did sound FANTASTIC. She has not done the high note in Stand Back (except once when she made a mistake) since 2011. I thought she was going to trip over her shawl. It actually amazes me because her solo band sounds 10x better than FM. That performance left me craving a solo tour.

Also did Harry Styles name drop "Ooh My Love" in his speech. So random and awesome.

Oh one more thing. I didn't like how her speech was so jokey. I was actually expecting something serious. Also I think she should have thanked Waddy, Carlos, and Sharon.

[TheWILDheart]

[QUOTE=AliceLover;1251468 She has not done the high note in Stand Back (except once when she made a mistake) since 2011 [/QUOTE]

She did it a few times on the 2013 tour, most notably at the O2 Arena shows that Christine attended. She also did the high note in 'Gold Dust Woman' on both nights.

[BigAl84]

LOL this is the epitomy of being a fan of someody who has completely run out of gas. Grasping onto the excitement that she actually bothered to attempt a high note during Stand Back for the first time in a decade. LOLOL...dont take this as an attack, I used to get excited about the same thing....until I moved onto other artists who actually invest in their craft, product, and fans.

[pryderi]

What an amazing performance. The applause at the end of Edge of Seventeen was deafening.

[sleepless child]

what did she mean at the end of her speech when she talked about Sheryl Louis taking over for Howard Kaufman when he passed away and she said she doesn't like to be told what to do especially when it's a girl.

I don't get it.

[Jondalar]

what did she mean at the end of her speech when she talked about Sheryl Louis taking over for Howard Kaufman when he passed away and she said she doesn't like to be told what to do especially when it's a girl.

I don't get it.

She is a sexist. This is an outrage!

[Steviegirl]

I just listened to Janet Jackson's speech. What a difference. She was humble and gracious. Very nice to see.

[Feather Blade]

As disappointed as I am with the FM drama, she did sound FANTASTIC. She has not done the high note in Stand Back (except once when she made a mistake) since 2011. I thought she was going to trip over her shawl. It actually amazes me because her solo band sounds 10x better than FM. That performance left me craving a solo tour.

Also did Harry Styles name drop "Ooh My Love" in his speech. So random and awesome.

Oh one more thing. I didn't like how her speech was so jokey. I was actually expecting something serious. Also I think she should have thanked Waddy, Carlos, and Sharon.

I was wondering if she was a little tipsy. Maybe some backstage celebrating going on?

[TheWildHeart67]

"Let’s see, and Sheryl [Louis], who when Howard passed away, then took on the mantle of being my manager — which is no easy thing, because I don’t agree with anything anybody says — especially when it’s a girl! Thank you Sheryl for giving it your all. Anyway, you all have been a fantastic, fantastic audience … Thank you!"
The audience laughed when she said "especially, when it's a girl." She was giddy, and having fun. Rolling Stone's headline for the article is "Read Stevie Nicks’ Riotous Rock Hall Induction Speech." Describing it, "
"Eliciting laughs and ample cheers from the crowd."
I think the Buckeroos are looking too far into it.

[cbBen]

what did she mean at the end of her speech when she talked about Sheryl Louis taking over for Howard Kaufman when he passed away and she said she doesn't like to be told what to do especially when it's a girl.

I don't get it.

"Sometimes I get catty."

[secondhandchain]

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. It makes me happy to see some sanity returning to this board. The Lindsey obsessives have hijacked it for far too long.

AGAIN for the obviously slow chiffonheads on this board. I can speak for me (and probably many others ) when I say I was an equal fan of BOTH of them. I LOVED her. So AGAIN, I know it's hard for you people to realize that it's HER fault that many of us who adored her now see the real horrible, awful, vain, selfish biotch she has become.

[Jondalar]

AGAIN for the obviously slow chiffonheads on this board. I can speak for me (and probably many others ) when I say I was an equal fan of BOTH of them. I LOVED her. So AGAIN, I know it's hard for you people to realize that it's HER fault that many of us who adored her now see the real horrible, awful, vain, selfish biotch she has become.

Totally agree. Some of them were even trying to say tha Lindsey abused Stevie to get her sympathy because they know she screwed up. She is the reason why there wasn’t one last album and why he is out of the band. She is a user.

[Storms123]

AGAIN for the obviously slow chiffonheads on this board. I can speak for me (and probably many others ) when I say I was an equal fan of BOTH of them. I LOVED her. So AGAIN, I know it's hard for you people to realize that it's HER fault that many of us who adored her now see the real horrible, awful, vain, selfish biotch she has become.

YES this---I equally loved them both. First time I haven't seen FM in NYC since TheDance.

[lovethemac1]

AGAIN for the obviously slow chiffonheads on this board. I can speak for me (and probably many others ) when I say I was an equal fan of BOTH of them. I LOVED her. So AGAIN, I know it's hard for you people to realize that it's HER fault that many of us who adored her now see the real horrible, awful, vain, selfish biotch she has become.

It boggles my mind. I have said sooo many times that she was the one I loved the most for decades. I would always see FM and then always see her solo tours. I adored her and was a complete Stevie fan.

For some reason, I keep being told that I'm not suppose to dislike her now. Well, I like to think that it's because I have morals, and don't think treating other people, the way Stevie does, is cool. It's just wrong. She is not who I'd want my kids to look up to, so there is no way in hell I'm going to look up to her. Her behaviour is selfish, cruel, stupid and uncaring. That speech made me cringe.

So for the bullies who think we're suppose to get over it, and leave poor Stevie alone......nope, not gonna happen. Esp on a FM chat site. Sheesh.:shrug:

[mitzo]

Not liking Stevie is one thing. Viciously trashing everything about her virtually daily for over a year is another, it indicates something deeper than just some feelings about a band member and her actions. The idea that some of the haters here used to love her is even scarier - you are THAT emotional about Stevie Nicks??

Even with events happening with real people in my real life, I cannot work up that much hate.

I am glad she made the RRHOF and that FM is a going concern.

[BigAl84]

LOL and this place wouldn't go apesh*t if it were Stevie that got kicked out of the band by a Lindsey ultimatum? Nope, everyone would be done talking about it a year later. Sure. Please, this place would be a leather and lace brush fire.

https://media.giphy.com/media/20zfQZZc54UNje9qQw/giphy.gif


Count me in as another MAJOR Stevie fan who has left the building.

P.S. - That wasn't even an acceptance speech. She rambled like a complete idiot. Even by Stevie standards....

[BlueLight]

Not liking Stevie is one thing. Viciously trashing everything about her virtually daily for over a year is another, it indicates something deeper than just some feelings about a band member and her actions. The idea that some of the haters here used to love her is even scarier - you are THAT emotional about Stevie Nicks??

Even with events happening with real people in my real life, I cannot work up that much hate.

I am glad she made the RRHOF and that FM is a going concern.

AMEN. The intensity of baseless rage here is truly mind-blowing. None of us (or least most of us) have never met these people, much less know the actual ins and outs of their business and their relationships. If Stevie were kicked out, I'd be upset, but you know, that's life. In any event, this is a thread about the RRHOF induction. The fact that more than half of the related posts are completely off topic speaks volumes about the small but vocal minority here.

[TheWILDheart]

But why should the latest Fleetwood Mac drama take away from her musical output and her back catalogue?

Sure, what she's done is a massive d!ck move, but if you're that emotionally connected to Stevie as a person to not be able to differentiate between a sh!tty thing that she's done and how great her music is and continue to enjoy songs and albums that you've done for years, then you've got bigger problems than anybody in Fleetwood Mac.

And like I said, there's always been drama and scandal associated with Fleetwood Mac, even before anybody had ever heard of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham - this is nothing new and just the latest in a history of nonsense.

[BigAl84]

It goes something like this:

People who are not d!cks, tend to also not be fans of people who treat people like d!cks

It's not about being emotionally connected, it's recognizing when somebody is not being a good person and choosing to not support that anymore.

[sue]

But why should the latest Fleetwood Mac drama take away from her musical output and her back catalogue?

Sure, what she's done is a massive d!ck move, but if you're that emotionally connected to Stevie as a person to not be able to differentiate between a sh!tty thing that she's done and how great her music is and continue to enjoy songs and albums that you've done for years, then you've got bigger problems than anybody in Fleetwood Mac.

And like I said, there's always been drama and scandal associated with Fleetwood Mac, even before anybody had ever heard of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham - this is nothing new and just the latest in a history of nonsense.

I too think what she has done is just the absolute pits, morally a load of Sh**e.
But nothing any one could do will ever take away my love for her music, especially the stuff with FMac.
I don’t despise her, I don’t know her.
What she did was wrong, but I still love her old stuff.
I just love FMac.
And as you say drama and scandal is par for the course.

[mitzo]

It goes something like this:

People who are not d!cks, tend to also not be fans of people who treat people like d!cks

It's not about being emotionally connected, it's recognizing when somebody is not being a good person and choosing to not support that anymore.

Then don't support it. That should be the end of it. Rather than month after month of wild-eyed foam-flecked slobbering incoherent foot stomping rage. See the difference we are pointing out?

[TheWildHeart67]

mitzo, I was just thinking the same thing. :shrug:

[David]

I thought her speech was meh. I think Jimmy should have inducted her as a solo artist.Harry is . . . insubstantial. Although he gave it an earnest try and he obviously adores Stevie. But she goes back to the Hendrix and Jefferson Airplane years. She really merited a heavier hitter. So did Fleetwood Mac in 1998, for that matter. Sheryl Crow grew in stature later, but at that point she was fairly lightweight (and young).

You can tell how inapposite Harry was for Stevie's induction by reading his fans' tweets about the event. They are gushing and drooling all over him and his blue suit and his long hair, and many of them are like "Stevie who?"

[BigAl84]

Then don't support it. That should be the end of it. Rather than month after month of wild-eyed foam-flecked slobbering incoherent foot stomping rage. See the difference we are pointing out?

It's also your choice to not read/ignore comments that you don't like, instead of making statements lamenting about people lamenting about the situation. Right?

[bwboy]

Count me in as another MAJOR Stevie fan who has left the building.

Well, you haven't really left the building if you're on a Stevie Nicks forum talking about how much you hate her. And I'm not saying you're wrong to do what you're doing, but it's the same thing when people go to the Lindsey Buckingham forum and talk about how much they hate him, or call him names, etc.

[bombaysaffires]

"Sometimes I get catty."

yes, very curious for a woman who wants us to believe she was always all about empowering women blah blah blah.

She's always been about her ego and needing to be the one and only woman in the room getting all the men's attention. She used to brag that being "Stevie Nicks" she could get any man she wanted.

Now that that's no longer the case, she spins it that she "isn't interested" in having a relationship. Maybe true, but maybe not and now it's more out of her control.... possibly feeding the need for ongoing big success in her career.... It's one thing to no longer be a femme fatale, but to be a former "it" girl AND no longer drawing an audience would be way too much for her ego to handle.

Listen, good for her, I was a MASSIVE fan of her for decades, still have some attachment to her older music, but being older myself and being able to see more clearly her issues, I am fine to leave her to the side. Thing is, she's always been like this, we just hadn't seen it so brazenly before and we're all more mature adults and less the infatuated teenagers who gushed over her back in the day. Time moves on. This is apparent in her performances as well.

[mitzo]

It's also your choice to not read/ignore comments that you don't like, instead of making statements lamenting about people lamenting about the situation. Right?
It is not lamenting from Lindsey fans, it is full on raging hate. See the difference?????

[BigAl84]

Well, you haven't really left the building if you're on a Stevie Nicks forum talking about how much you hate her. And I'm not saying you're wrong to do what you're doing, but it's the same thing when people go to the Lindsey Buckingham forum and talk about how much they hate him, or call him names, etc.

Excuse me, did I even say I hated her? No I did not. I very calmly stated a few points.

Yes, I said she sounded like an idiot. I did not say I hate her.

I even said in one of my posts "don't take this as an attack"

As I said before, it's hysterical that people keep complaining about the folks who keep complaining. It's a two-way street.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this BS, it doesn't even warrant a response.

Yeah, I'm a real rager. Right. Me inserting humour with giphy in 90% of my posts, I'm scorching earth. Right.

[lovethemac1]

It goes something like this:

People who are not d!cks, tend to also not be fans of people who treat people like d!cks

It's not about being emotionally connected, it's recognizing when somebody is not being a good person and choosing to not support that anymore.

100%, I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand.

And where the hell else do we discuss this? On a Def Leppard website?

[BigAl84]

100%, I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand.

You better keep that rage in check!

[lovethemac1]

You better keep that rage in check!

Hahahaha, I better!!

[TheWildHeart67]

https://www.vogue.com/article/2019-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction-ceremony
Every show deserves to begin the way the 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony did: with Stevie Nicks belting “Stand Back” to an audience who was just as enthralled by her performance today as they were when the single first came out. “This is the original ‘Stand Back’ cape from 1983,” Nicks said, which isn’t particularly surprising given her recent comments about the temperature-controlled vault she keeps for her shawl collection.

Nicks was at the peak of her witchy Wiccan powers at the ceremony, which unfolded Friday night at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center ahead of its televised debut on April 27 on HBO. She was one of the seven inductees, including Radiohead, Def Leppard, The Cure, Roxy Music, The Zombies, and Janet Jackson (or Miss Jackson, if ya nasty).

While the ceremony made sure to give each of the inductees their lion’s share of attention, it was definitely Nicks who made the splashiest appearance of the evening. And it’s understandable why, given that she made history as the first woman to ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame for the second time (having previously been inducted as a member of Fleetwood Mac in 1998).
After performing “Leather and Lace” with her original duet partner Don Henley, Nicks introduced another special guest: Harry Styles. There to induct Stevie, he gave a loving tribute that was simple in execution, but deeply felt by the audience. “She is more than a role model—she’s a beacon to all of us. Whenever you hear her voice, life gets a little bit better. When she sings, the world is hers and it is yours. She is everything you’ve ever wanted in a lady, in a lover, in a friend. Stephanie Nicks, I love you. We all do. And that is true, Stevie.”

Nicks’s own speech was the sort of delightfully deranged wonder that only someone as beloved as her could get away with. Equally heartfelt and hilarious, Nicks essentially delivered a stand-up routine that one eagle-eyed Twitter user pointed out went over each inductee’s allotted six minutes. But given the hoots and hollers coming from the crowd, and how much fun Nicks was obviously having, one can assume that the Hall of Fame isn’t too upset.

“You all have been a fantastic, fantastic audience. . . . Thank you!” Nicks said. “If you ever need a keynote speaker, somebody to talk to, someone to talk to a group of people—I am your girl.”

Concluding with a duet of “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” that saw Styles standing in for Tom Petty.

[MikeInNV]

LOL and this place wouldn't go apesh*t if it were Stevie that got kicked out of the band by a Lindsey ultimatum? Nope, everyone would be done talking about it a year later. Sure. Please, this place would be a leather and lace brush fire.

And all of the Buckheads who are so tired of being told to get over it, move on, etc. would be telling the Chiffonheads the exact same thing. That's the part that Team Lindsey would never admit.

[BigAl84]

Actually, I disagree. Would there be some of that, sure I bet somebody would say that, its an internet forum. LOL...there is a second though to this that Id like to say, but no matter how nicely I put it, folks will jump up my a$$ so I will keep it to myself.

[mitzo]

Actually, I disagree. Would there be some of that, sure I bet somebody would say that, its an internet forum. LOL...there is a second though to this that Id like to say, but no matter how nicely I put it, folks will jump up my a$$ so I will keep it to myself.
Sorry to have made you feel singled out. I was referring to a critical mass of over the top posts all over the forum for the last year and may have swept you into the pile inadvertently. You must admit there are some pretty extreme expressions of hate on here.

[BigAl84]

Yeah...well it's all pretty well documented and public knowledge. There's one reason why there wasn't a new album with the 5 fireflies and one reason why one of the last remaining bands of a defining era are no longer complete....all over a rehash tour dispute that will be completely forgotten about in 5 years time. It would still be a rehash tour with Lindsey included, so spare me that line. My point is the whole thing was a giant display of greed fueled childish behavior. It was completely unnecessary, they should of hung it up for a year or for good. I'm not trying to rehash what we have all discussed a million times, I'm just saying that all the hopes of putting a nice bow on this little gift we called fleetwood Mac was abruptly smashed in the last remaining years of their productivity. That is why people are upset.

Had there been more substance or cause behind the drama, people may not have had the same type of reaction.

Looking at it objectively, that induction speech is an eye opener for me. Even had the events of the past year not taken place, I would of taken pause after witnessing that "speech"...and I'd say the same thing If Lindsey got up there and did the same. I'm sincerely not trying to be mean, but that was rather an incoherent mess and I cannot defend her on that.

[SteveMacD]

Did the ingrate thank Lindsey? Ofcourse not. Gross.

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[SteveMacD]

I just listened to Janet Jackson's speech. What a difference. She was humble and gracious. Very nice to see.

Yeah, but the scandal in her family is much, much worse than Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

Count me in as another MAJOR Stevie fan who has left the building.

And yet you’re still here.

[secondhandchain]

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/01/Trump-in-Hat-MAGA-640x480.jpg

Do you have to stink up the whole thing even worse? GROSS

[secondhandchain]

Two things

1. For someone like you who spews such hatred towards someone just further shows your own insecurities as a person. You must be a horrible person to be around with such an awful aura of negativity.

2. Get some therapy because this Stevie/Lindsey feud is eating you alive. Go get help.

LOL I think I am JUST fine. I check this site about once a day and it's not eating me alive. LOL!!!!!!!!!! I have many other things on my plate. This is truly funny. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Jondalar]

For all of you that have nothing better to do than bash Stevie I have a message for you on behalf of everyone else who follows the Stevie threads.

NOBODY. FREAKING. CARES.
YOU'RE MAKING POSTS FOR ATTENTION AND IT'S SAD.

Did she think she was going to get off without repricutions? She didn’t change. She has always been a narcissist but now she has been exposed and she ruined Fleetwood Mac in the process. NEVER FORGET!!!!!

[SteveMacD]

WHO in their right mind would travel around see them in show after show. I see maybe one show every few tours.
I could see it with tour, especially with a few extended jams in the set. Mike and Christine jamming is worth it.

Who would dress up and fly to NY to go to a Stevie convention....NOT ME. Or a LB convention or any other if it existed.
I would TOTALLY go to a John McVie convention.

[mylittledemon]

That won't get you into the RRHOF.

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LOL I think I am JUST fine. I check this site about once a day and it's not eating me alive. LOL!!!!!!!!!! I have many other things on my plate. This is truly funny. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

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[FuzzyPlum]

In all my years of coming here I've never
read as many post from one member that
were so filled with hate.

I'm team Lindsey (sounds silly I know), and I
believe Stevie did him very, very wrong. But I
don't hate Stevie or the others. Since I don't
personally know them they can't upset me as
much as they upset you.

I'm like many of the other members here. I
believe you need help.


My sentiments exactly. I can't stand the sight of the woman and the band are dead to me now...
...but I'd rather not post than state the same things over and over and over and over again. Life's too short to let such things eat you up inside.

[BigAl84]

Life's too short to let such things eat you up inside.

That's an ironic piece of advice to hear...lolol somebody should pass that onto Stevie.

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Disclaimer: What you just read above was a joke, not "rage"

[michelej1]

You people have to stop assuming that because someone posts angrily here they are somehow eaten up inside. A post takes a minute. You can easily post in between job duties or golf course holes. What you see here is not representative of anyone's existence. Posts are not indicative of whether someone has a life or needs mental help.

Even if someone is a nut job, it's none of your business. Stop analyzing other posters. If you want to diagnose the band members go right ahead, but stop telling other posters what is wrong with them. If you are tired of them, block them.

[Steviegirl]

You people have to stop assuming that because someone posts angrily here they are somehow eaten up inside. A post takes a minute. You can easily post in between job duties or golf course holes. What you see here is not representative of anyone's existence. Posts are not indicative of whether someone has a life or needs mental help.

Even if someone is a nut job, it's none of your business. Stop analyzing other posters. If you want to diagnose the band members go right ahead, but stop telling other posters what is wrong with them. If you are tired of them, block them.

Thank you. I find these intellectually-lazy ad hominem attacks far nastier than what Ledgies are posting about the band members.

[kak125]

Just saw this posted on Stevie’s fb page

Last Friday I was very honored to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. I decided to speak from my heart and not from a teleprompter, and in my excitement I forgot to thank one of my best friends since 1971. My partner in crime, my musical director and lead guitarist, Waddy Wachtel. Waddy, you mean the world to me! #rockhall2019 #waddywachtel

[Feather Blade]

I could see it with tour, especially with a few extended jams in the set. Mike and Christine jamming is worth it.


I would TOTALLY go to a John McVie convention.

Ha ha, can you imagine? Lots of folk standing around in beach clothes, hands in pockets, not saying much. ;)

[sleepless child]

I have no idea why she would have spoken off the cuff instead of writing a good speech thanking the people and fans who have been instrumental to her solo career.

I wish she would have thank Herbie also. She mentioned Margi, but I think it would have been nice to thank the two people who really helped her with her "look" The photos that Herbert took are so beautiful and Margi made lovely clothes for Stevie back in the early 80's

[iamnotafraid]

My sentiments exactly. I can't stand the sight of the woman and the band are dead to me now...
...but I'd rather not post than state the same things over and over and over and over again. Life's too short to let such things eat you up inside.

Good to know someone else on here has sense.

I would hope that others on here are able to discern
who one is by their post. Unless you're hanging out
in real life, how else are you supposed to come to any
conclusion than by reading into one's post here? It's
all we have to go by.

[michelej1]

Good to know someone else on here has sense.

I would hope that others on here are able to discern
who one is by their post. Unless you're hanging out
in real life, how else are you supposed to come to any
conclusion than by reading into one's post here? It's
all we have to go by.

You have no need to discern who anyone is. No one is paying you to do profiling work. You don't need to understand anyone who posts here. If you don't like what they post, block them.

[iamnotafraid]

You have no need to discern who anyone is. No one is paying you to do profiling work.

You don't need to understand anyone who posts here.

If you don't like what they post, block them..


How do you know what I need?

It helps to try and understand members here.
What and why they think the way they do.

Block them? I've always thought that was
a childish thing to do. I've never blocked
anyone.

Michelle if you get mad at my honest response
do what you have to do. But know that I went
out speaking the truth.

[michelej1]

Thanks and you haven't spoken any truth. You've judged people you don't know and given unsolicited advice in a forum where it doesn't belong. Go find a support forum and diagnose people there.

[BlueLight]

I 100% agree that personal attacks on this board directed towards other Ledgies is inappropriate. And as much as I'm team Stevie (even while cringing at the thought of using that term), I very much respect the views of those who are frustrated or angered by how things have played out recently with the band. And I appreciate and respect those Lindsey fans who have chimed in with a measured voice of reason as to the seemingly endless invective directed towards Stevie.

But more to the point, what frustrates me is that, whenever I go to a thread with a designated focus (like this one), the same members repeatedly post non-responsive, hysterical expressions of rage towards Stevie. If they want to start a thread on how Stevie is the devil incarnate, go for it. But it detracts from the Ledge for it to infect each and every thread on all boards, and frankly, I'm sick of it.

[SteveMacD]

You don't need to understand anyone who posts here.
Except, you kind of do.

People have their motives and baggage. Sometimes understanding that in its utmost basic form might help understand someone motives behind their comments.

For instance, “Lindsey choked harder as a solo artist than he choked Carol Ann”’ might be offensive to survivors of domestic violence. Just like someone might not want to be associated with the domestic violence they’ve suffered. But what do I know?

http://www.roboticgizmos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/07/knife-game.gif

[kak125]

Bluelight, I 100% agree with you. The constant negativity isn’t adding anything at all. It’s completely pointless. I totally understand people being pissed off I just don’t get why it has to be almost every other post around here and especially in the Stevie forum.

[mitzo]

I am wondering how far someone can go with crazed rhetoric before another poster can call him/her out. Seems no matter what anyone does or says, they cannot be criticized?? They can disrupt and repeat the same delusional infective over and over and nobody can point out that they are nuts?

Hope I do not get banned for this.

My signature line.

[michelej1]

You can come to any private conclusions about other people that you like, but you can’t come here with an officious and offensive attitude, accessorized with glasses and a cigar to play Sigmund Freud, pretending you’re in a superior and sage position to judge and analyze everyone else who posts here.

[BigAl84]

Well, it looks as if we've come full circle.

[BigAl84]

You can come to any private conclusions about other people that you like, but you can’t come here with an officious and offensive attitude, accessorized with glasses and a cigar to play Sigmund Freud, pretending you’re in a superior and sage position to judge and analyze everyone else who posts here.

Nicely stated!

[SteveMacD]

I am wondering how far someone can go with crazed rhetoric before another poster can call him/her out. Seems no matter what anyone does or says, they cannot be criticized?? They can disrupt and repeat the same delusional infective over and over and nobody can point out that they are nuts?
And, really, what’s the worst thing that could possibly come out of this? You don’t have to pay their ticket prices or buy their subsequent works? Hardly worth bringing down a Stevie/Christine thread.

Hope I do not get banned for this..
You shouldn’t. You’ve said nothing worse than anyone else.

[BigAl84]

And yet you’re still here.

I think you took that comment a little too literal. Yes, I have not been a huge participant as a fan of her solo work the way I used to be for the past 15 years, but I still will comment on an internet forum from time to time.

[SteveMacD]

You can come to any private conclusions about other people that you like, but you can’t come here with an officious and offensive attitude, accessorized with glasses and a cigar to play Sigmund Freud, pretending you’re in a superior and sage position to judge and analyze everyone else who posts here.

Except that’s EXACTLY what’s going on. All day, EVERY day on here as far as Fleetwood Mac and Stevie fans are concerned. Sorry you choose not to see it that way.

[SteveMacD]

I think you took that comment a little too literal. Yes, I have not been a huge participant as a fan of her solo work the way I used to be for the past 15 years, but I still will comment on an internet forum from time to time.

So, again, you’re still here.

You say you’re moving on, yet you’re still here.

Can’t miss you if you don’t leave.

[BigAl84]

I am wondering how far someone can go with crazed rhetoric before another poster can call him/her out. Seems no matter what anyone does or says, they cannot be criticized?? They can disrupt and repeat the same delusional infective over and over and nobody can point out that they are nuts?

Hope I do not get banned for this.

My signature line.

honestly, I cant even remember who we are calling crazy now that there has been so much talk about what other people should/can/cannot say or what qualifies as "crazed rhetoric".

[BigAl84]

So, again, you’re still here.

You say you’re moving on, yet you’re still here.

Can’t miss you if you don’t leave.

Really? LOL Im 100% down for contributing to a meaningful exchange of opinions but im not goimg to get into word games with you. I dont even understand your point.

Yeah, Im here for the same reason we all are. We express opinions and talk about topics.

Cant miss me? Why would anyone miss me or why would I expect anyone to miss me? I dont expect anyone here to care if I came or went! My comment about leaving the buding was not meant as "this place sucks im out of here" it was strictly a figurative way of saying Im not the fan I once was.

wowzers!

[SteveMacD]

Really? LOL Im 100% down for contributing to a meaningful exchange of opinions but im not goimg to get into word games with you. I dont even understand your point.
Easy. You said you were out. You presumably don’t care anymore, so you’re out.

Got it.

Hey, I was out 2006-14, too. I didn’t come around here to bash Fleetwood Mac, aside from laughing at the suggestion any of them were prolific, mainly because I have a good friend who releases more albums in a year than any of the Macsters release in a decade. That said, I never came around here to mock Stevie.

If you don’t care anymore, great! Now go away.

Cant miss me? Why would anyone miss me or why would I expect anyone to miss me? I dont expect anyone here to care if I came or went! My comment about leaving the buding was not meant as "this place sucks im out of here" it was strictly a figurative way of saying Im not the fan I once was.
Great. Stevie’s fans don’t care.

[michelej1]

Except that’s EXACTLY what’s going on. All day, EVERY day on here as far as Fleetwood Mac and Stevie fans are concerned. Sorry you choose not to see it that way.

Who is analyzing you Steve or telling you to get psychiatric help or to go get a life?

[michelej1]

I am wondering how far someone can go with crazed rhetoric before another poster can call him/her out. Seems no matter what anyone does or says, they cannot be criticized?? They can disrupt and repeat the same delusional infective over and over and nobody can point out that they are nuts?



Crazed rhetoric about an entertainer and public figure does not justify crazed rhetoric about a poster.

[SteveMacD]

Who is analyzing you Steve or telling you to get psychiatric help or to go get a life?

Not me, personally. But I have seen it. Lord knows I got banned for it.

[BigAl84]

Easy. You said you were out. You presumably don’t care anymore, so you’re out.

Got it.

Hey, I was out 2006-14, too. I didn’t come around here to bash Fleetwood Mac, aside from laughing at the suggestion any of them were prolific, mainly because I have a good friend who releases more albums in a year than any of the Macsters release in a decade. That said, I never came around here to mock Stevie.

If you don’t care anymore, great! Now go away.


Great. Stevie’s fans don’t care.

wow. you've outdone yourself on this one.

well, that post of yours speaks for itself.

I get singled out for "mocking" Stevie? I said once she rambled on like an idiot. Never once have I used the terrible terms that other folks use on a daily basis.

wow. all this talk about rage. your post makes a great example man. You must be a knee deeper in this in a way that I dont understand. One thing is for sure, I definitely dont tell people to "go away" because I dont agree or dislike what they say.

Im sarcastic, I dont mince words, but im not out to be mean or cruel to anyone for the record. I dont know where your hostility comes from.

have a great day.

[SteveMacD]

LOL oh yea he really messed up by avoiding two stints in rehab and "wasting" his 40s in a drug induced haze. If anything his leave actually helped him.
And yet you probably won’t get it.

[TheWildHeart67]

There they go again!

[TheWildHeart67]

Buckaroos lol

[BigAl84]

so now you're cross posting my post from one forum to another?

LOL I wish you well. The more I try to diffuse this situation, you put another log on the fire. I dont want to fight with anyone. I dont think ive ever even used the term chiffonhead or buckaroo to anyone on this forum yet other folks are jumping at the first chance to throw it at me. Whatever.

To each their own.

[BigAl84]

And yet you probably won’t get it.

LOL if this is your way of saying im a basher...I said nothing stevie herself hasnt said about that situation. she lost almost a decade where she could of made more albums or better albums. Im relatively sure she even used the term "wasted".

Again, that was intended to be delivered with sarcasm not malice.

[FuzzyPlum]

You people have to stop assuming that because someone posts angrily here they are somehow eaten up inside. A post takes a minute. You can easily post in between job duties or golf course holes. What you see here is not representative of anyone's existence. Posts are not indicative of whether someone has a life or needs mental help.

Even if someone is a nut job, it's none of your business. Stop analyzing other posters. If you want to diagnose the band members go right ahead, but stop telling other posters what is wrong with them. If you are tired of them, block them.

Blimey...a few innocuous words of advice/support for a fellow human being is such a bad thing :(
Tut Tut

[SteveMacD]

Crazed rhetoric about an entertainer and public figure does not justify crazed rhetoric about a poster.
Keep telling yourself that.

I know some (not me, personally) see a parallel between their own struggles with that of some members of the band. Mental illness, addiction, suicide…

When those issues of the various band members’ pasts from decades ago are continually brought up, marginalized, mocked, and ridiculed, there are a lot of people who internalize that with their own struggles.

Sorry you can’t see that.

[Wing24]

Sooo she can act like a smirking idiot at an award show but he can’t? #formerchiffonhead. She has been embarrassing for at least 15 years.

[mitzo]

Crazed rhetoric about an entertainer and public figure does not justify crazed rhetoric about a poster.

From The Ledge rules for posting:

What's Not Cool:

Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation

Material that contains vulgar, obscene or indecent language

No trolling. A troll is a person who enters an established forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, most often in the form of posting inflammatory, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate messages

[BigAl84]

From The Ledge rules for posting:

What's Not Cool:

Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation

Material that contains vulgar, obscene or indecent language

No trolling. A troll is a person who enters an established forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, most often in the form of posting inflammatory, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate messages

Hey now...you described Pat Benatar as "ordinary in her day" I took great offense to that....JK!

[michelej1]

From The Ledge rules for posting:

What's Not Cool:

Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation

Material that contains vulgar, obscene or indecent language

No trolling. A troll is a person who enters an established forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, most often in the form of posting inflammatory, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate messages

What's your point? I wrote those rules. I know what they contain. Thinking someone is a troll is no reason to tell them they need psychological help, as I said.

[mitzo]

What's your point? I wrote those rules. I know what they contain. Thinking someone is a troll is no reason to tell them they need psychological help, as I said.
We see these rules broken here a lot, is all I am saying.:shrug:

[mylittledemon]

We see these rules broken here a lot, is all I am saying.:shrug:

There's a little button you can click at the top right of each post and report them, which sends a notification to myself and the other mods. It's very helpful for us because we don't/can't see every single post, though we do try. I'm usually at work when I get to check the Ledge, and so I have to quick-glance as much as I can. However I also don't want to over-moderate either, so yeah, sometimes I miss things. Maybe we all miss a few things... but you guys can help us out and I encourage you to do so.