The farewell tour

[secret love]

Let's face it, the On With The Show Tour was Fleetwood Mac's farewell tour. Lindsey isn't coming back. I'm sure they all feel very guilty about how they treated him and I don't doubt for a minute that Stevie would have been absolutely distraught when she heard about Lindsey's surgery. But the bridge has been burned. He ain't coming back.

And this tour is a new band. Sure it's still technically Fleetwood Mac, just like it was Fleetwood Mac in 2003, 2004, 2009 and 2013, without Christine. Just like it was Fleetwood Mac in 1987, 1988 and 1990, without Lindsey, and in 1995, without Lindsey and Stevie. But the Rumours 5 are no more.

We shouldn't mourn the demise of the Rumours 5. We should just be grateful if we got to see them one last time in 2014 or 2015 and that we got one last Fleetwood Mac album... ok... one last "duet album" (pfft, come on, it's Fleetwood Mac by any other name).

Right?

[iamnotafraid]

Let's face it, the On With The Show Tour was Fleetwood Mac's farewell tour. Lindsey isn't coming back.

1. I'm sure they all feel very guilty about how they treated him...

2. I don't doubt for a minute that Stevie would have been absolutely distraught when she heard about Lindsey's surgery.

3. He ain't coming back.

4. And this tour is a new band. Sure it's still technically Fleetwood Mac...

5. Just like it was Fleetwood Mac in 1987, 1988 and 1990...

6. We shouldn't mourn the demise of the Rumours 5...

7. That we got one last Fleetwood Mac album... ok... one last "duet album" (pfft, come on, it's Fleetwood Mac by any other name).



1. They don't act like they feel or felt guilty.

2. I doubt it

3. We don't know that yet.

4. Not to me they aren't.

5. They're only Fleetwood Mac when they had PG or LB.

6. I'm not mourning they're over. I'm just very displeased with SN.

7. That duet album is way overrated. I'm glad they gave it a try though.

[Macfan4life]

I thought the post BTM tour in 1990 was the official "Farewell tour" At least that is what my concert tour T-shirt says. :eek:

Why would they feel guilty about making 10 million dollars each. People do the craziest things for money.

[Kubrick2788]

@iamnotafraid, I'm glad someone thinks the same way I do about the Buckingham/McVie album. It certainly has its moments, and some that scream 'I was supposed to be a FM song,' but overall it still feels halfhearted.

[sue]

@iamnotafraid, I'm glad someone thinks the same way I do about the Buckingham/McVie album. It certainly has its moments, and some that scream 'I was supposed to be a FM song,' but overall it still feels halfhearted.

Me too, I never rated it.
It’s a pleasant Album but nothing special.

[lennonfan]

I think we can stick a fork in Fleetwood Mac, It's done, that there is one very well done Turkey.

[David]

7. That duet album is way overrated. I'm glad they gave it a try though.
I'll go back and listen. I don't remember a lot of it. All I remember is a lot of catchy choral hooks. But Fleetwood Mac could do worse; Behind the Mask has precious few catchy hooks, and the few it does have are Christine's.

[secret love]

I'll go back and listen. I don't remember a lot of it. All I remember is a lot of catchy choral hooks. But Fleetwood Mac could do worse; Behind the Mask has precious few catchy hooks, and the few it does have are Christine's.
The title track is underrated. Save Me is another gem.

[michelej1]

Yes, Save Me is great. Christine’s Heart of Stone was also the highlight of The Chain for me.

[HomerMcvie]

Christine’s Heart of Stone was also the highlight of The Chain for me.

I prefer Love Shines. Pop perfektion.

[secret love]

Yes, Save Me is great. Christine’s Heart of Stone was also the highlight of The Chain for me.

I believe both those tracks made the cut for "Don't Stop - 50 Years"!

[SteveMacD]

7. That duet album is way overrated. I'm glad they gave it a try though.

I don’t think it would have been any better if Stevie had participated.

[BLY]

I don’t think it would have been any better if Stevie had participated.


I 100% disagree on both fronts. This album is underated and would have been that much better with Stevie because the Fleetwood Mac name could’ve been used to promote it.

[SteveMacD]

I 100% disagree on both fronts. This album is underated and would have been that much better with Stevie because the Fleetwood Mac name could’ve been used to promote it.

It absolutely would have benefited from the Fleetwood Mac name and with Mick and John on the tour. But I don’t know if Stevie could have contributed anything that would have improved the album.

[bombaysaffires]

It absolutely would have benefited from the Fleetwood Mac name and with Mick and John on the tour. But I don’t know if Stevie could have contributed anything that would have improved the album.

that's the thing. She had no new material even for SYW-- hence the asking for an additional month delay in starting so she could bust a$$ trying to crank out at least a couple new songs so that, as Mick himself notes in the doc, she wasn't the only one not coming with new material.

She couldn't or wouldn't fork over even one.single.new.song for the EP.

She scribbles words in her notebooks but there's no ability to write any decent tunes anymore.... e.g., Silver Girl, Sweet Girl......

That said her vocals on some of the songs would have added to them.

[michelej1]

That said her vocals on some of the songs would have added to them.

She would have sounded good on Lay Down for Free.

[secret love]

that's the thing. She had no new material even for SYW-- hence the asking for an additional month delay in starting so she could bust a$$ trying to crank out at least a couple new songs so that, as Mick himself notes in the doc, she wasn't the only one not coming with new material.

She couldn't or wouldn't fork over even one.single.new.song for the EP.

She scribbles words in her notebooks but there's no ability to write any decent tunes anymore.... e.g., Silver Girl, Sweet Girl......

That said her vocals on some of the songs would have added to them.
Not true. Illume, Say You Will, Silver Girl and Destiny Rules were all newly written by Stevie explicitly for the Say You Will album. She also gave the band a CD of 18 demos of unreleased songs, including Trouble in Shangri-La outtakes Thrown Down and Everybody Finds Out.

I am dying to hear My Mother's Rings. It must be the only finished song Stevie Nicks has managed to keep locked in the vault. Just about every other demo she has made has miraculously leaked to YouTube. She really does have crappy friends constantly leaking her musical works to the inter webs.

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Neil Finn could add some magical vocal harmonies to Julia. I can also hear Mike Campbell's baritone on Space Needle. But both Julia and Space Needle could be sent into the stratosphere with Lindsey's vocals and finger picking.

[secret love]

She would have sounded good on Lay Down for Free.

She refused to sing on Come, do you really think she would have sang on a song with the line "I stood by, beside our broken bed"? Lay Down for Free is an even more suggestive title than Come. LDFF evokes a sense of not having sex for nothing. Come is just another word for climaxing.
Obviously Buckingham McVie did not come to Australia, so I have never and will never get to hear Lay Down for Free, save for the chance of Lindsey getting his voice back and performing it solo in Sydney one day.
But tell me, what is stopping Fleetwood Mac from performing Christine's song Carnival Begin? No issues with royalties, she wrote it by herself, so they would not need to give any money to Lindsey from the performance... unless he gets some other form of royalty other than a writing one. But so what? When Neil sings Second Hand News, doesn't Lindsey get royalties from that performance?

[lbfan]

. . . do you really think she would have sang on a song with the line "I stood by, beside our broken bed"? Lay Down for Free is an even more suggestive title than Come. LDFF evokes a sense of not having sex for nothing.
While Lindsey will utilize double entendres in his lyrics, I believe in this case the lyric “I won’t lay down for free” has to do with the fact that there is very little money in recording new music - the “lay down” refers to laying down tracks for a new album. Those who stand to profit would prefer their clients to tour in lieu of spending time recording new music, as well as some band members and back-up musicians.

[justcrazylove]

I thought LDFF lyrics were pretty ****ing obvious, who honestly thought it was about sex! really?

[TheWILDheart]

She really does have crappy friends constantly leaking her musical works to the inter webs.


Errrr sorry but she only has herself to blame for this. It’s a well known fact that Stevie would hand out demo cassettes to just about anybody, especially at parties. She was just too stoned/high/drunk to remember and now blames everyone else.

[michelej1]

She refused to sing on Come, do you really think she would have sang on a song with the line "I stood by, beside our broken bed"? Lay Down for Free is an even more suggestive title than Come. LDFF evokes a sense of not having sex for nothing. Come is just another word for climaxing.


Thanks for the sex education.

[michelej1]

I thought LDFF lyrics were pretty ****ing obvious, who honestly thought it was about sex! really?

I know. It’s about what all of Lindsey’s songs are about, front Wrong to Bel Air Rain. Heck, even the Holiday Road video is about the same thing.

I guess SHN is just about sex too.

[michelej1]

While Lindsey will utilize double entendres in his lyrics, I believe in this case the lyric “I won’t lay down for free” has to do with the fact that there is very little money in recording new music - the “lay down” refers to laying down tracks for a new album. Those who stand to profit would prefer their clients to tour in lieu of spending time recording new music, as well as some band members and back-up musicians.

And I love the double entendres, for instance Time Bomb Town is one of my favorite songs.

[iamnotafraid]

@iamnotafraid, I'm glad someone thinks the same way I do about the Buckingham/McVie album. It certainly has its moments, and some that scream 'I was supposed to be a FM song,' but overall it still feels halfhearted.

Good then, at least there's two of us.

Some of those songs scream to me that
they should have never made the album.

Makes me wonder if any of them can actually sing
anymore. Which leads me to think if Lindsey's
vocal chords were damaged during surgery, is
it possible with an operation to repair his vocal
chords, that his voice might actually improve
over the way it's been for the past decade or
more?

[HomerMcvie]

Good then, at least there's two of us.

Some of those songs scream to me that
they should have never made the album.

Makes me wonder if any of them can actually sing
anymore. Which leads me to think if Lindsey's
vocal chords were damaged during surgery, is
it possible with an operation to repair his vocal
chords, that his voice might actually improve
over the way it's been for the past decade or
more?

I think that that's completely wishful thinking.

I sure hope you're right.

[michelej1]

I think Game of Pretend and On with the Show are bad songs and because the album has only 10, they really skewer the album quality down as a whole. If it was an album with 12 songs and only those 2 clunkers it would not have mattered so much.

And my problem is that because I am not hip, I still play an album in the sequence that it comes in. So those two awful songs are back to back for me. I could remove them from the whole album when I stream or I could create a playlist where they fall in a different order and are not back to back. But I don’t do that. Those 2 are a negative weight, but I love the other songs.

[HomerMcvie]

I think Game of Pretend and On with the Show are bad songs and because the album has only 10, they really skewer the album quality down as a whole. If it was an album with 12 songs and only those 2 clunkers it would not have mattered so much.

And my problem is that because I am not hip, I still play an album in the sequence that it comes in. So those two awful songs are back to back for me. I could remove them from the whole album when I stream or I could create a playlist where they fall in a different order and are not back to back. But I don’t do that. Those 2 are a negative weight, but I love the other songs.
It's weird, the differences in taste. While I agree that Game of Pretend is a snooze fest, I love OWTS! And yet I find Lay Down FF to be a complete filler song. LDFF is the worst song on there, imo.

[michelej1]

I think LDFF might be my favorite on the album.

I love SATC but was disappointed that it was so unchanged from the original. Duet! I really wanted more Chris involvement in it, because it “felt” like Chris the minute I first heard it.

[secret love]

Errrr sorry but she only has herself to blame for this. It’s a well known fact that Stevie would hand out demo cassettes to just about anybody, especially at parties. She was just too stoned/high/drunk to remember and now blames everyone else.

Space Needle and Thrown Down were recorded for the Trouble in Shangri-La record, around the time when Stevie gave up tobacco cigarettes and indulged only in the occasional joint or bong. I highly doubt she was drunk or high when Space Needle leaked to YouTube. She would have given it to Jeremy Doe or some other schmuck who leaked it without her knowledge.

[secret love]

I think LDFF might be my favorite on the album.

I love SATC but was disappointed that it was so unchanged from the original. Duet! I really wanted more Chris involvement in it, because it “felt” like Chris the minute I first heard it.

The YouTube clips of SATC show that when done live, Christine was more prominent in the mix. LDFF is also my favourite and yes, I naively thought it was about sex. But then again, maybe I was right, as the guy or girl on The Ledge who thought In My World was about Lindsey's dead family members was clearly not correct.

[HomerMcvie]

I think LDFF might be my favorite on the album.


My main complaint is the production. For starters, it sounds like a drum machine(Mick might be a dick, but at least he adds "a feel"). The whole song just has a plastic feel to it, to me.

[michelej1]

My main complaint is the production. For starters, it sounds like a drum machine(Mick might be a dick, but at least he adds "a feel"). The whole song just has a plastic feel to it, to me.

I thought the drums sounded a little embarrassing on Too Far Gone.

[HomerMcvie]

I thought the drums sounded a little embarrassing on Too Far Gone.

I LOVE the drum breaks in Too Far Gone. It's the most rocking song on the album. Tribal!

[michelej1]

Oh, I'm crazy for Too Far Gone just like I loved Everybody Finds Out, but the drums sounded like they came from a machine.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, I'm crazy for Too Far Gone just like I loved Everybody Finds Out, but the drums sounded like they came from a machine.

Hmm, I've never thought that. It's more reminiscent of Tusk to me.

As a lighting guy, I envisioned all these strobe lights during the drum breaks. When I saw them, that's exactly what their guy did!

[michelej1]

As a lighting guy, I envisioned all these strobe lights during the drum breaks. When I saw them, that's exactly what their guy did!

Oh, you're not Curry are you?

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, you're not Curry are you?

Nope, and I've never banged Christine either! :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Hmm, I've never thought that. It's more reminiscent of Tusk to me.

As a lighting guy, I envisioned all these strobe lights during the drum breaks. When I saw them, that's exactly what their guy did!

Too Far Gone was their latest World Turning.

[michelej1]

Nope, and I've never banged Christine either! :lol:

Have you ever listened to Everybody Finds Out? You should give it a try if you like Too Far Gone.

[HomerMcvie]

Have you ever listened to Everybody Finds Out? You should give it a try if you like Too Far Gone.

I've not listened to SYW for quite some time.

I need to cut it down to about 8 songs, then I could do it.

[bombaysaffires]

Oh, I'm crazy for Too Far Gone just like I loved Everybody Finds Out, but the drums sounded like they came from a machine.

mostly pre recorded.

[iamnotafraid]

I think that that's completely wishful thinking.

I sure hope you're right.

I'm not sure of the success rate of vocal cord surgery.
And none of us know how badly his was damaged. But
it would be great if it improved upon what he had before.

I suppose that's putting the cart before the horse. As I
hope and pray that he gets healthy again. And then enjoys
the rest of his hopefully long life.