New interview with M$ck Fl$$twood

[secondhandchain]

What a lying SCUMBAG.

“We weren’t happy — [happy] sounds almost like too light of a word to use,” Fleetwood says of Buckingham’s firing. “It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/fleetwood-mac-on-booting-buckingham-we-werent-happy/

[Storms123]

What a lying SCUMBAG.

“We weren’t happy — [happy] sounds almost like too light of a word to use,” Fleetwood says of Buckingham’s firing. “It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/fleetwood-mac-on-booting-buckingham-we-werent-happy/

Dirtbag and charlatan extraordinaire.

[button-lip]

What a lying SCUMBAG.

“We weren’t happy — [happy] sounds almost like too light of a word to use,” Fleetwood says of Buckingham’s firing. “It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/fleetwood-mac-on-booting-buckingham-we-werent-happy/

I just LOVE how they think they can speak on Lindsey's behalf! So he wanted to get fired? Because he wasn't happy.

And now they're happy, happy, happy!!!! I don't know how many times did he say it along this stupid interview. And finally, Stevie is happy. That's all I needed in my life. :woohoo::woohoo:

I never wanted anything bad to happen to anybody in my entire life, but this four people surely ignited the worst in me. No mercy for them.

[elle]

What a lying SCUMBAG.

“We weren’t happy — [happy] sounds almost like too light of a word to use,” Fleetwood says of Buckingham’s firing. “It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/fleetwood-mac-on-booting-buckingham-we-werent-happy/

yeah no wonder poor Mick is always bankrupt over and over - he doesn't know how to count even on one hand apparently, and he obviously can't tell time. 2 Buck songs? lmao. and almost 3 hour show? no Mick, that was with Lindsey. now you are doing barely a bit over 2 hours. you know, barely as long as Lindsey does solo on his own. and less songs now with 4 singers than Lindsey does solo. you are sad, pathetic and still lying bunch.

oh yeah and how can we forget this convenient history re-write - Buckingham joined the band back in 1974, he apparently came along for the ride with Stevie Nicks. :lol::rolleyes:

no thinking about tomorrow, just yesteryear of old, that's all now.

oh and apparently they afe all now these huge workaholics who never go on vacations. :laugh:


here's the whole article pasted:

ENTERTAINMENT
Fleetwood Mac on booting Buckingham: ‘We weren’t happy’
By Chuck Arnold March 7, 2019 | 8:11pm

Fleetwood Mac, circa 1977: Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Stevie Nicks, Christine McVie and John McVie

“It gets lonely in these hotels,” says Mick Fleetwood, with a laugh when he gets on the line. So he’s more than happy to do a phone interview from Atlanta on a day off during Fleetwood Mac’s tour.

Co-founded by its namesake drummer in 1967, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame band — which will bring its “An Evening With Fleetwood Mac” show to Madison Square Garden on Monday and March 18, and the Prudential Center on Wednesday — will take a rest day here and there, but after 52 years, there are absolutely no plans to retire from the road.

“This is what we do,” Fleetwood, 71, tells The Post. “That really is where we’re at . . . In the past, when we literally never stopped, we never even thought of smelling the roses and going on a holiday or something. It was always straight in the studio, straight on the road.”

No doubt, Fleetwood Mac doesn’t stop thinking about tomorrow — even if it’s without Lindsey Buckingham. The singer-guitarist, who joined the group with Stevie Nicks in 1974, was unceremoniously booted from the group in April 2018. He was replaced by not one but two musicians: Neil Finn, former frontman of Crowded House (“Don’t Dream It’s Over”), and Mike Campbell, erstwhile guitarist for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

‘It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.’
Buckingham’s dismissal — over which he sued Fleetwood Mac (the lawsuit was later settled out of court) — was the latest drama for a band whose biggest album, 1977’s classic “Rumours,” was rife with it.

“We weren’t happy — [happy] sounds almost like too light of a word to use,” Fleetwood says of Buckingham’s firing. “It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.”

Still, the British-born drummer admits the split with Buckingham was complicated.

“It was a huge event in terms of the dynamic that affected everyone,” he says. “He’s been a major part of the story, which did start for me and John [McVie] in 1967 . . . We’ve been doing Fleetwood Mac storytelling, as it were, with 18 different people in Fleetwood Mac since we started.”

But you can still probably expect to hear such Buckingham-led hits as “Don’t Stop” and “Go Your Own Way” on tour.

“We do a couple of Lindsey’s songs, in the same way as when Christine [McVie] was not with us . . . we would always do a couple of her songs,” says Fleetwood. “But it wouldn’t be appropriate to be banging out, like, 20 songs of Lindsey’s. The lucky thing is, we’ve got this feast of [material] between Stevie and Christine. A song shortage is not our problem.”

Indeed, even in their senior years, they’re not skimping on the set list.

“We do nearly three hours of music,” Fleetwood says. “Mike was like, ‘Oh, my God, that’s way longer than Tom Petty ever did!’ Many facets have to be represented during the show, which is the story of Fleetwood Mac.”

Enlarge ImageMick Fleetwood of Fleetwood Mac performs in New York in 2014.

The set list also represents the musical pedigrees of Finn and Campbell with nods to their other work. Campbell, who previously collaborated with Nicks in her solo career — he co-wrote “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around,” her 1981 hit with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers — was the first one added to the post-Lindsey lineup and then Finn.

“Then, we knew we had a band that we felt was credible . . . with people who are hugely talented in their own world,” says Fleetwood. “We just lucked out, and it’s been really amazing in terms of a new band and a new dynamic.”

But some things remain the same, such as the way Fleetwood plays like a “maniac” on the drums. How does he still go hard for three hours at 71? Even when he’s not touring, Fleetwood says, “I keep playing, so physically I’m always in drumming shape. I keep fit. I have a trainer, I train every day. For the last 15 years, maybe a bit more, I don’t live life in the craziest of forms, as I was fairly well known to do. And you can’t do that anymore. You’re lucky to be surviving all that stuff.”

While it is on Fleetwood’s “wish list” that the band will eventually record some new music — they haven’t released a studio album since 2003’s “Say You Will” — he never gets sick of playing “Dreams,” “Little Lies” or any of those other old songs.

“I have no dread of any song,” he says. “[There are] some songs that I go, ‘Oh, boy, I better not screw this one up!’ and it’s a little bit of a challenge. But it would never be that I don’t want to do it. Ever.”

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Banding together
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[elle]

there's this one too, both Mick interviews are ahead of the NYC show - with Mick completely funnily jumbling up the mention of Lindsey's heart attack.


https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/fleetwood-mac-madison-square-garden-1.28108378

ENTERTAINMENTMUSIC

Fleetwood Mac hasn't stopped thinking about tomorrow
With two new members, the band brings its 50th anniversary tour to Madison Square Garden for two shows.

By Glenn Gamboa
[email protected] @ndmusic
Updated March 7, 2019 6:00 AM

Mick Fleetwood remembers sitting backstage with Elton John, hearing about his plans for retiring from touring.

“He said, ‘No one believes me — not even my band,’ but as soon as my children are old enough to go to a proper school, I’m going to hang it up and be that parent that’s available for them,’ ” recalls Fleetwood Mac’s drummer and co-founder. “He’s keeping to his promise.”

It’s a question that a lot of Fleetwood’s contemporaries wrestle with. “For a while, the question was always: ‘Is this the Stones' last tour?’ But here they are going out again in grand style,” he says. “We have our own version of that in this band.”

And Fleetwood, 71, says there was a point last year when the members of Fleetwood Mac were battling about a tour that coincided with its 50th anniversary and wondering if it was time to hang it up as well.

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“It was a huge deal that the band should change its dynamic this far down the road,” Fleetwood says. “We thought long and hard — though not too, too long because we knew we had to make our minds up. But we did some serious thinking about whether this was going to be end of the band really. We decided, the four of us, that was not going to be the case.”

Instead, Fleetwood, singer Stevie Nicks, singer-keyboardist Christine McVie and bassist John McVie decided to fire longtime guitarist Lindsey Buckingham, who joined the band in 1974 with Nicks, and replace him with Crowded House frontman Neil Finn and Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers guitarist Mike Campbell.

Even that surprising announcement last April didn’t end the band’s worries. “Then the joyride and the not-knowing ride of ‘this has to be the right decision’ begins,” Fleetwood says. “And it only becomes the right decision with the right chemistry and the right players.”

With the first leg of the tour successfully in the books, Fleetwood says the band is pleased with its new course, as its tour reaches Madison Square Garden for shows on Monday, March 11, and Monday, March 18. “We’re definitely all very happy,” he says. “We’re also blessed that the audiences have been beyond stellar and have come on this journey with the band on a level that’s beyond anything that we could have imagined. … But you can understand that going out at the beginning of this excursion, there was a lot at stake — a lot of musical integrity. We were just really incredibly fortunate we found two very talented gentlemen that fit incredibly well with the band and have a musical, fantastic story to tell in their own right.”

Of course, Buckingham may disagree, though the lawsuit he filed against the band in October has already been settled. “I’m not out there trying to twist the knife at all,” Buckingham told “CBS This Morning.” “I’m trying to look at this with some level of compassion, some level of wisdom.”

It’s a way of thinking that seems even more important as Buckingham recovers from open heart surgery in February that his wife says damaged his vocal cords. “It would be absolutely inappropriate if I didn’t briefly say that we are definitely relieved on many levels that he has prevailed with his health situation, with his heart attack,” Fleetwood says. “Obviously, it was a huge deal with the parting of the ways with Lindsey Buckingham.”

Fleetwood didn’t want to get into the details of the dismissal. “It’s no secret that many artists and bands have similar dynamics that they can’t talk about,” he says. “I mean look at The Beatles. … Things just happen. Some people are saddened. But rejoice in the fact that those elements in some shape or form all continued to do stellar work, as I’m sure Lindsey will in his own world and we will in our world. Life unfolds like that sometimes. We’re really enjoying the elements that we have now and the new dynamic. It’s a new day.”

Fleetwood says the band is enjoying its latest chapter, eager to try new things. They have already added “Don’t Dream It’s Over” from Finn’s band, Crowded House, and “Free Fallin’ ” from Campbell’s time with Petty into their sets. And they have brought Fleetwood Mac’s 1968 single “Black Magic Woman” back into its setlist, which Nicks rediscovered when Fleetwood performed it with his band in Maui.

“Stevie sees it and says, ‘Oh, my God, I love that song. I wanna do it,’ ” Fleetwood recalls. “And she did. And she does. It’s fun. It’s just a twist. It’s one of those songs that most people believe is not a Fleetwood Mac song. They would associate it with Santana. But it was written by Peter Green with John and myself back in the day with Jeremy [Spencer, from the band’s original lineup], so we have fun with that. And Chris gets a great rip around it. … A song like that gives her a chance to do something, in truth, that she hasn’t done in many years, which is get back to her roots and it’s of course very much in John and my backyard. And Mike couldn’t wait to be playing guitar on ‘Black Magic Woman.’ I think if there was any thought of not doing that song, I think Mike would have said, ‘You are not pulling that out of the set.’ ”

Yes, Fleetwood Mac hasn’t stopped thinking about tomorrow. “We’re very happy and we’re having a ball out here,” Fleetwood says with a laugh. “That’s something that we needed.”

WHO Fleetwood Mac

WHEN | WHERE 8 p.m. March 11 and 18, Madison Square Garden

INFO $119.50-$269.50; 800-745-3000, ticketmaster.com

EDGE OF HISTORY
Stevie Nicks is set to make history at the end of the month, when she becomes the first woman to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice.

Nicks was already inducted in 1998, along with the rest of Fleetwood Mac. And though she recently told Rolling Stone that she’s hopeful her second induction — this time for her solo career, which includes decades of hits including “Stand Back” and “Rooms on Fire,” as well as duets like “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” with Tom Petty and “Leather and Lace” with Don Henley — will “open the doors for women to fight to make their own music,” it wasn’t something she planned on.

“I never wanted a solo career — I always wanted to be just in a band,” she told Rolling Stone. “But I just had so many songs! Because when you’re in a band with three prolific writers, you get two or three songs per album — maybe four. But I was writing all the time, so they just went into my Gothic trunk of lost songs. … To this day, I write all the time.”

Mick Fleetwood says all of Fleetwood Mac plans to be at the Barclays Center ceremony on March 29 to support Nicks for her honor. “I am really happy for her,” Fleetwood says. “She lives and breathes everything. I always go, ‘When are you going to take a break?’ But she is Like Bob Dylan, or some such creature, they never stop. … She has completely dedicated her life to her art and she’s very happy doing it. Getting her to go on a little holiday somewhere is like pulling teeth. But it’s all great.” — GLENN GAMBOA

[elle]

i just hope Lindsey sees none of this garbage and verbal diarrhea coming out of Mick's mouth.

[iamnotafraid]

i just hope Lindsey sees none of this garbage and verbal diarrhea coming out of Mick's mouth.

I can't imagine Lindsey wasting his time
looking for and through this type of garbage.

He knows Mick. By now I don't think he
expects better of him or the others.

[elle]

also, what a world of difference between these 2 Mick garbage interviews and the nice, respectful Mike Campbell video interview from the other day (21 questions).

[aleuzzi]

Good lord, Mick is crap. This along with Christine's interview last month makes me nauseous.

Re: the firing: “It was a huge event in terms of the dynamic that affected everyone,” he says.--YOU THINK?

What I'd like to know is if the firing "affected everyone" (presumably negatively, since the wording hints at that) then WHY fire him? If it was such a huge deal and the band "wasn't happy anymore" what were the reasons for the unhappiness? IS the band happier without him? If so, what is the source of the happiness? And when Mick says "band" who and what does he mean?

Of course we can all read between the lines here and know who is ultimately responsible. But it's his prevarications and half-assed explanations that drive me mad. He wants to have the cake and eat it, too. He wants to please Stevie by firing Lindsey without owning the action, without giving a just cause for it.

Mick's slime. Until I hear a clear and valid reason for the firing, I won't think otherwise.

[Storms123]

Good lord, Mick is crap. This along with Christine's interview last month makes me nauseous.

Re: the firing: “It was a huge event in terms of the dynamic that affected everyone,” he says.--YOU THINK?

What I'd like to know is if the firing "affected everyone" (presumably negatively, since the wording hints at that) then WHY fire him? If it was such a huge deal and the band "wasn't happy anymore" what were the reasons for the unhappiness? IS the band happier without him? If so, what is the source of the happiness? And when Mick says "band" who and what does he mean?

Of course we can all read between the lines here and know who is ultimately responsible. But it's his prevarications and half-assed explanations that drive me mad. He wants to have the cake and eat it, too. He wants to please Stevie by firing Lindsey without owning the action, without giving a just cause for it.

Mick's slime. Until I hear a clear and valid reason for the firing, I won't think otherwise.

Remember almost a year ago when he said "fire" was an ugly word....he's truly the most insufferable one of all.

[Nicks Fan]

Completely agree. The constant "We weren't happy" yet at NO time has he or anyone else ever said what they "weren't happy about". He knows what went down but because he is morally and financially bankrupt he has to tow the party line and spew constant BS. Just when you think he can't get any lower he keeps digging himself a deeper hole.

[lennonfan]

glad you're all so joyously happy Mick, for once in your lives I suppose.
….but all of this has made me very unhappy, Mick, and I don't think I can even look at you all the same ever again.
now that Lindsey's part of the other 18 or whatever members of Fleetwood Mac, why not assign him a number? y'know, we got rid of No. 5 because he drank too much, maybe Lindsey could be like No. 12.

[sleepless child]

Same 'ol line, We weren't happy. About what? He never gets into specifics. Because there are none.

[Macfan4life]

I cant believe you guys STILL don't get it.
When Mick says "WE" insert "Stevie"
Mick was not going to lose 10 million dollars if Stevie walked

How is any of this news or different than what was said before?

[Mr Scarrott]

“It was a huge event in terms of the dynamic that affected everyone,” he says. “He’s been a major part of the story, which did start for me and John [McVie] in 1967 . . . We’ve been doing Fleetwood Mac storytelling, as it were, with 18 different people in Fleetwood Mac since we started.”



No, Mick, I did not like this at all. He's obviously channelling "This is Spinal Tap"

Marty: Has he ever done this before? Has he ever....
David: well, no.
Marty; ...quit the band before?
David: No, but it's....you've got to understand that like in the world of
rock and roll there are certain changes that sometimes occur,
and you've just got to, sort of, roll with them, you know.
I mean you read... you read... you saw exactly how many people
who's been in the band over the years, 37 people's been in this
band over the years. I mean It's like, you know, six months
from now, I can't see myself missing Nigel more than I might miss
Ross McLochness, or Ronnie Pudding, or Danny Upham, or Little
Danny Schindler, or any of those, you know, it's...
Marty: I can't...I can't believe it. I can't believe it, you
know, that, you're lumping Nigel in with uh you know these people
you've played with for a short period of time...
David: Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy
sedation, but still in all, I mean you've got to be realistic
about this sort of thing, you know....
Marty: So, what happens to the band now?
David: What do you mean?
Marty: He's not coming back, or...?
David: No, we, we shan't work together again.

[elle]

I cant believe you guys STILL don't get it.
When Mick says "WE" insert "Stevie"
Mick was not going to lose 10 million dollars if Stevie walked

How is any of this news or different than what was said before?

that IS the news - that even after Lindsey's heart attack Mick's interviews are NOT any different than the whole last year. after seeing how all they did to him affected Lindsey, or just even after someone who was a friend, family and co-worker for the last 40+ years almost died, we were all hoping that will stop Mick from spitting on Lindsey and from trying to make him barely relevant in FM history. it didn't. so that's news. Mick is even lower piece of dirt than we though he was. there are no excuses for him anymore.

here, from few years ago - he just happily goes bankrupt and screws freinds and family in order to get bailed out. but you can screw people over some, or way more than you need to. Mick is going way over the top.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/mick-fleetwood-likens-himself-to-donald-trump-i-have-lost-track-of-the-number-of-times-i-have-gone-9819327.html?fbclid=IwAR1PhZncMVMe0Pvk5FMsIUPolQtLGK48zvq_B7wxBgWd9cNWuLAJC1xdwbs

Mick Fleetwood likens himself to Donald Trump: 'I have lost track of the number of times I have gone bankrupt'
The Fleetwood Mac co-founder said he 'carried on like nothing had happened'

Daisy Wyatt @daisy_wyatt
Sunday 26 October 2014 15:58

Mick Fleetwood said he has ‘lost count’ of how many times he has been made bankrupt.

The Fleetwood Mac co-founder first went bankrupt in 1984, but said he can’t remember how many times he has been declared bankrupt since.

The drummer told The Sunday Telegraph's Seven magazine: “I'm like Donald Trump. I think he's been bankrupt about seven times.

“You pay off what debts you can. You do what you are told by your accountant. I really didn't have much to do with it. I carried on like nothing had happened.”

He said that has been blessed with “cartloads of money” in his time and recalled going to Ghana wearing a huge rolex watch when he first went bankrupt in 1984.

“If you are going to be without money, you may as well be in Africa where nobody has any money. I got there, got blind drunk, I had this big old Rolex on and it was a childish thing but I thought this represents all the excess and I’m done with it. I got a beer bottle and smashed it,” he recalls in his new book Play On: Now, Then And Fleetwood Mac.

Fleetwood, who did not write any of the band’s songs and made the least money, added: “The past is a huge chunk of my life. I get [told] all the time, 'You don't have to be doing what you're doing'.

“Proportionately if you went down the pecking order of the band, I'd be last on the list, [but] people ask, 'Would you fancy putting another 20 million in your bank?' And you go, 'Oh yes, that's pretty good.”

We’ll tell you what’s true. You can form your own view.

At The Independent, no one tells us what to write. That’s why, in an era of political lies and Brexit bias, more readers are turning to an independent source. Subscribe from just 15p a day for extra exclusives, events and ebooks – all with no ads.

[button-lip]

I cant believe you guys STILL don't get it.
When Mick says "WE" insert "Stevie"
Mick was not going to lose 10 million dollars if Stevie walked

How is any of this news or different than what was said before?

We get it. It's not that we don't. The fact that we're still talking about it doesn't mean that we don't get it.

Stevie wanted Lindsey out and he obliged because we're talking about Stevie. Period. End of the story.

Still, that doesn't mean that we can't talk about it as much as we like, right?

I wish they stop asking Mick about Lindsey, so he can stop repeating the same garbage over and over again.

[jwd]

Maybe the interviewer should have asked why weren't you happy Mick? What actually caused the sudden dismissal of one of the most integral members of your band? This has got to be one of the most anti-climactic fizzles in rock and roll history. What a stupid ending to one of the most intriguing stories in rock. This band SUCKS! MAJOR LETDOWN!

[Phil]

Amen to Stevie and Mick and the rest of the band. Lindsey's gone. The real witch is dead.
When you think about it, the band's decision to oust Lindsey demonstrated foresight and excellent business acumen since the old bugger can no longer sing (after the 'heart attack'). If he'd still been in the band, his illness/surgery would have interrupted their plans and put the latest leg of the tour in jeopardy. What a relief.

[elle]

When you think about it, the band's decision to oust Lindsey demonstrated foresight and excellent business acumen since the old bugger can no longer sing (after the 'heart attack'). If he'd still been in the band, his illness/surgery would have interrupted their plans and put the latest leg of the tour in jeopardy. What a relief.

if he'd still been in the band he would have not had a heart attack, because he wouldn't have had to live through the year of stress plus his band family spitting on him constantly. no heart attack - what a relief that would have been!

when you actually do think about it.

[elle]

Maybe the interviewer should have asked why weren't you happy Mick?

lol right? seems like a very natural follow up question. :laugh:

[Phil]

Well of course Stevie precipitated Lindsey's heart attack, along with his wife-beating tendencies, ill temper and general pain-in-the-arse pretentiousness but she still could have elicited the same result if he'd remained with the band. At least I hope she could have...

[button-lip]

Amen to Stevie and Mick and the rest of the band. Lindsey's gone. The real witch is dead.
When you think about it, the band's decision to oust Lindsey demonstrated foresight and excellent business acumen since the old bugger can no longer sing (after the 'heart attack'). If he'd still been in the band, his illness/surgery would have interrupted their plans and put the latest leg of the tour in jeopardy. What a relief.

Real witches never die. They kill everything around them but they never die. That’s why she killed four of her children, her best friend and almost killed her favorite enemy.

And goat isn’t exactly Maria Callas. Hence the goat nickname.

[Phil]

Well Stevie may have killed Robyn and attempted murdering Lindsey but she didn't kill four babies, she ABORTED them. They were never alive - they were only parasites at the time she TERMINATED them. Get over it.

[button-lip]

Well Stevie may have killed Robyn and attempted murdering Lindsey but she didn't kill four babies, she ABORTED them. They were never alive - they were only parasites at the time she TERMINATED them. Get over it.

I was talking about Tom, not Robin. Goat certainly loves everyone around them.

[cbBen]

Maybe the interviewer should have asked why weren't you happy Mick? What actually caused the sudden dismissal of one of the most integral members of your band? This has got to be one of the most anti-climactic fizzles in rock and roll history. What a stupid ending to one of the most intriguing stories in rock. This band SUCKS! MAJOR LETDOWN!

In music, the artists and the press have an incestuous relationship. It's not a "speak truth to power" dynamic.

[Phil]

Oh yes, you're quite right, she dealt with Tom as well. I wonder who'll be next? You gotta hand it to her, she's effective (except she didn't finish Lindsey off properly, at least not yet).

[jwd]

In music, the artists and the press have an incestuous relationship. It's not a "speak truth to power" dynamic.

Come again? :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Amen to Stevie and Mick and the rest of the band. Lindsey's gone. The real witch is dead.
When you think about it, the band's decision to oust Lindsey demonstrated foresight and excellent business acumen since the old bugger can no longer sing (after the 'heart attack'). If he'd still been in the band, his illness/surgery would have interrupted their plans and put the latest leg of the tour in jeopardy. What a relief.

You're a ****ing piece of work. Absolutely heartless.

[Phil]

...but you're not - you've consistently demonstrated sensitivity, warmth, understanding and most of all, ongoing originality. The Ledge just wouldn't be the same without your witticisms and insight...

[secondhandchain]

Amen to Stevie and Mick and the rest of the band. Lindsey's gone. The real witch is dead.
When you think about it, the band's decision to oust Lindsey demonstrated foresight and excellent business acumen since the old bugger can no longer sing (after the 'heart attack'). If he'd still been in the band, his illness/surgery would have interrupted their plans and put the latest leg of the tour in jeopardy. What a relief.

You are an attention seeking piece of work arent you? Go put on your Stevie dress.

[SteveMacD]

You are an attention seeking piece of work arent you? Go put on your Stevie dress.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/01/Trump-in-Hat-MAGA-640x480.jpg

[iamnotafraid]

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/01/Trump-in-Hat-MAGA-640x480.jpg



The cover of Lindsey's upcoming album?

Make Fleetwood Mac Great Again

[HomerMcvie]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/01/Trump-in-Hat-MAGA-640x480.jpg

Is it really necessary to bring that here???????? Really?

[HomerMcvie]

You are an attention seeking piece of work arent you? Go put on your Stevie dress.

I love you! I owe you....10 drinks!:xoxo:

[button-lip]

I love you! I owe you....10 drinks!:xoxo:

I second that. To compare you with someone as nasty as that Stevie fan.... :lol::lol:

[AliceLover]

They're all putting on a pretty face for the tour. They have to be positive about it. But they all know what a ****TY farewell tour this is. The set list, dynamic, and musical arrangements are absolutely embarrassing. It was a BAD move firing Buckingham.

[secret love]

They're all putting on a pretty face for the tour. They have to be positive about it. But they all know what a ****TY farewell tour this is. The set list, dynamic, and musical arrangements are absolutely embarrassing. It was a BAD move firing Buckingham.

Such a bad move. I cry myself to sleep every night knowing that I will never have the privilege to sit through fifteen minutes of I'm So Afraid ever again.

:laugh:

But in all seriousness, I do actually miss Bleed to Love Her, and I had hoped for a Rumours 5 live performance of Steal Your Heart Away, On With the Show and Carnival Begin. And again, in all seriousness, I think their version of Black Magic Woman is terrific.

[Macfan4life]

that IS the news - that even after Lindsey's heart attack Mick's interviews are NOT any different than the whole last year. after seeing how all they did to him affected Lindsey, or just even after someone who was a friend, family and co-worker for the last 40+ years almost died, we were all hoping that will stop Mick from spitting on Lindsey and from trying to make him barely relevant in FM history. it didn't. so that's news. Mick is even lower piece of dirt than we though he was. there are no excuses for him anymore.

here, from few years ago - he just happily goes bankrupt and screws freinds and family in order to get bailed out. but you can screw people over some, or way more than you need to. Mick is going way over the top.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/mick-fleetwood-likens-himself-to-donald-trump-i-have-lost-track-of-the-number-of-times-i-have-gone-9819327.html?fbclid=IwAR1PhZncMVMe0Pvk5FMsIUPolQtLGK48zvq_B7wxBgWd9cNWuLAJC1xdwbs

Mick Fleetwood likens himself to Donald Trump: 'I have lost track of the number of times I have gone bankrupt'
The Fleetwood Mac co-founder said he 'carried on like nothing had happened'

Daisy Wyatt @daisy_wyatt
Sunday 26 October 2014 15:58

Mick Fleetwood said he has ‘lost count’ of how many times he has been made bankrupt.

The Fleetwood Mac co-founder first went bankrupt in 1984, but said he can’t remember how many times he has been declared bankrupt since.

The drummer told The Sunday Telegraph's Seven magazine: “I'm like Donald Trump. I think he's been bankrupt about seven times.

“You pay off what debts you can. You do what you are told by your accountant. I really didn't have much to do with it. I carried on like nothing had happened.”

He said that has been blessed with “cartloads of money” in his time and recalled going to Ghana wearing a huge rolex watch when he first went bankrupt in 1984.

“If you are going to be without money, you may as well be in Africa where nobody has any money. I got there, got blind drunk, I had this big old Rolex on and it was a childish thing but I thought this represents all the excess and I’m done with it. I got a beer bottle and smashed it,” he recalls in his new book Play On: Now, Then And Fleetwood Mac.

Fleetwood, who did not write any of the band’s songs and made the least money, added: “The past is a huge chunk of my life. I get [told] all the time, 'You don't have to be doing what you're doing'.

“Proportionately if you went down the pecking order of the band, I'd be last on the list, [but] people ask, 'Would you fancy putting another 20 million in your bank?' And you go, 'Oh yes, that's pretty good.”

We’ll tell you what’s true. You can form your own view.

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elle
Why would anything change? You expect Mick to apologize or something? He is sticking to his script. What would you expect him to say? The truth? Of course not.
It just reminds me of a similar thread when people had outrage the Mac were playing Lindsey songs after his health scare. Really? The people that made up stories to placate Stevie so that they could collect their 10 million.
Its all so phony and laughable. Mick keeps saying the same thing over and over and I just don't understand the false outrage anymore.

I never believed this before that it would be possible for Lindsey to join again. But these people are so phony it would not surprise me in the least especially since Lindsey took the high ground and stated he would go back. I can honestly hear Mick some sort of welcoming Lindsey back. Its so sick and twisted that it would not surprise me. As I said earlier in this thread...every time Mick says "We" insert "Stevie" Stevie was not happy.


When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

[aleuzzi]

elle
Why would anything change? You expect Mick to apologize or something? He is sticking to his script. What would you expect him to say? The truth? Of course not.
It just reminds me of a similar thread when people had outrage the Mac were playing Lindsey songs after his health scare. Really? The people that made up stories to placate Stevie so that they could collect their 10 million.
Its all so phony and laughable. Mick keeps saying the same thing over and over and I just don't understand the false outrage anymore.

I never believed this before that it would be possible for Lindsey to join again. But these people are so phony it would not surprise me in the least especially since Lindsey took the high ground and stated he would go back. I can honestly hear Mick some sort of welcoming Lindsey back. Its so sick and twisted that it would not surprise me. As I said earlier in this thread...every time Mick says "We" insert "Stevie" Stevie was not happy.


When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

I don’t think a lot of people, including the most vocally outraged here, disagree with you. We all know who Mick is and has been for decades. But we reserve the right to renew our outrage because it’s what we can do. It’s a way of resisting the script so many from the mass public seem to be content with. I applaud anyone who continues to call out Mick and the band on this one.

[secret love]

elle
Why would anything change? You expect Mick to apologize or something? He is sticking to his script. What would you expect him to say? The truth? Of course not.
It just reminds me of a similar thread when people had outrage the Mac were playing Lindsey songs after his health scare. Really? The people that made up stories to placate Stevie so that they could collect their 10 million.
Its all so phony and laughable. Mick keeps saying the same thing over and over and I just don't understand the false outrage anymore.

I never believed this before that it would be possible for Lindsey to join again. But these people are so phony it would not surprise me in the least especially since Lindsey took the high ground and stated he would go back. I can honestly hear Mick some sort of welcoming Lindsey back. Its so sick and twisted that it would not surprise me. As I said earlier in this thread...every time Mick says "We" insert "Stevie" Stevie was not happy.


When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
This. Agree 100%
You may not follow Australian politics, so it may come as a shock to you that since 2007, we have had six different Prime Minister - actually five, but one man was Prime Minister twice.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
When Kevin Rudd leaked Cabinet discussions to the press during the 2010 election campaign, Julia Gillard was shown who he was. A king rat. Yet she gave him the foreign ministry - equivalent to the USA Secretary of State job.
When Irving Azoff told Lindsey that Stevie had issued an ultimatum if he did not go, she would leave the band in his place. She showed she meant business. But he naively assumed she would be resigning and he would be staying.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

[elle]

elle
Why would anything change? You expect Mick to apologize or something? He is sticking to his script. What would you expect him to say? The truth? Of course not.
because of a near death experience of his supposed friend - that's the answer to your why.

i expect him to drop half of his ridiculous script. the part of Lindsey is just another insignificant member of FM, 1 of 18. we were ALL unhappy, including Lindsey, Christine and John. that part - just drop those intentionally hurtful lies from you script - that's what i expect.

i know better than to expect any apology or the actual truth. but i was expecting that near death experience of someone who saved his life numerous times would make him drop the part of the narrative that's especially hurtful to that guy with near death experience. easy, no?

I don’t think a lot of people, including the most vocally outraged here, disagree with you. We all know who Mick is and has been for decades. But we reserve the right to renew our outrage because it’s what we can do. It’s a way of resisting the script so many from the mass public seem to be content with. I.
exactly. why ask people who know better to basically bless bunch of lies going down in history as absolute facts.

Macfan4life you say that you feel helpless, and that we all are too insignificant to do anything, so why should we even say we disagree. it's the same attitude i got from some freelance show reviewer. he cannot change anything or bring Lindsey back, so why not just go with FM publicist narrative. (i have to paste our back and forth somewhere. it was very interesting to me. when he had no good argument he tried very hard to mansplain me away. :laugh:)

i summed up the "i can't do anything so i will just appease" attitude after back-forth with that reviewer here:

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[secret love]

because of a near death experience of his supposed friend - that's the answer to your why.

i expect him to drop half of his ridiculous script. the part of Lindsey is just another insignificant member of FM, 1 of 18. we were ALL unhappy, including Lindsey, Christine and John. that part - just drop those intentionally hurtful lies from you script - that's what i expect.

i know better than to expect any apology or the actual truth. but i was expecting that near death experience of someone who saved his life numerous times would make him drop the part of the narrative that's especially hurtful to that guy with near death experience. easy, no?


exactly. why ask people who know better to basically bless bunch of lies going down in history as absolute facts.

Macfan4life you say that you feel helpless, and that we all are too insignificant to do anything, so why should we even say we disagree. it's the same attitude i got from some freelance show reviewer. he cannot change anything or bring Lindsey back, so why not just go with FM publicist narrative. (i have to paste our back and forth somewhere. it was very interesting to me. when he had no good argument he tried very hard to mansplain me away. :laugh:)

i summed up the "i can't do anything so i will just appease" attitude after back-forth with that reviewer here:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">sounds like [at least some of the] people who toe the line think they are insignificant, helpless and cannot influence anything anyway so they may as well take whatever is the path of least resistance for them.</p>&mdash; elle (@ellellew) <a href="https://twitter.com/ellellew/status/1103515002160451587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I am offended by the countless people here who have sometimes subtly and sometimes obviously suggested that Stevie Nicks is directly responsible for Lindsey Buckingham's cardiac illness. To your credit Elle, if I recall correctly, you were not part of that chorus. If this recollection is incorrect, I would call on you to explain yourself. This whole line of stress from his termination from the band causing heart failure is just beyond the pail. He has a family history of cardiac issues. It is genetics. All the cocaine he inhaled over the years and all the cigarettes he smoked would have had much more of an impact than anything the old goat (to use the misogynistic terminology of her detractors) could say or do to him.

[michelej1]

The band is famous for their unhappiness with each other. To give that as an excuse for Lindsey‘s ouster is laughable. Stevie even talked about it 30 years ago and said none of them was about to,leave in the wake of the band’s success, even though they were at each other’s throats. They needed him then. When they were still making and selling records they catered to him. Even when records stopped selling they felt they needed him on stage. They battled on, butting heads as they have always done. But need brought leverage, they could threaten to leave the band, to not tour, to keep their masters. They could refuse to record new music, but neither had the power to get rid of the other. Then, when Christine returned and it got to the point where they could put on a “Fleetwood Mac” show without Lindsey they didn’t need him to make money any longer. Mick should just say that.

I myself never anticipated that. Christine’s return would tip the see saw in this manner. In fact, if anything I thought it would make Stevie less powerful than she had been in the foursome. Boy, did I miscalculate.

I remember when Lindsey railed against Big Bad Howard. He had no idea what rough beast was slouching towards him to be born.

[secret love]

The band is famous for their unhappiness with each other. To give that as an excuse for Lindsey‘s ouster is laughable. Stevie even talked about it 30 years ago and said none of them was about to,leave in the wake of the band’s success, even though they were at each other’s throats. They needed him then. When they were still making and selling records they catered to him. Even when records stopped selling they felt they needed him on stage. They battled on, butting heads as they have always done. But need brought leverage, they could threaten to leave the band, to not tour, to keep their masters. They could refuse to record new music, but neither had the power to get rid of the other. Then, when Christine returned and it got to the point where they could put on a “Fleetwood Mac” show without Lindsey they didn’t need him to make money any longer. Mick should just say that.

I myself never anticipated that. Christine’s return would tip the see saw in this manner. In fact, if anything I thought it would make Stevie less powerful than she had been in the foursome. Boy, did I miscalculate.

I remember when Lindsey railed against Big Bad Howard. He had no idea what rough beast was slouching towards him to be born.
I know we are all hurting about Lindsey's undoing. But you Americans have had the best of both worlds. You have seen "Fleetwood Mac" without Stevie. And you have the option to see "Fleetwood Mac" without Lindsey. I would much prefer Buckingham McVie or Fleetwood Mac-lite to the current line up, but because I could not afford an airfare to the USA, I never had that chance.

[saniette]

The band is famous for their unhappiness with each other. To give that as an excuse for Lindsey‘s ouster is laughable. Stevie even talked about it 30 years ago and said none of them was about to,leave in the wake of the band’s success, even though they were at each other’s throats. They needed him then. When they were still making and selling records they catered to him. Even when records stopped selling they felt they needed him on stage. They battled on, butting heads as they have always done. But need brought leverage, they could threaten to leave the band, to not tour, to keep their masters. They could refuse to record new music, but neither had the power to get rid of the other. Then, when Christine returned and it got to the point where they could put on a “Fleetwood Mac” show without Lindsey they didn’t need him to make money any longer. Mick should just say that.

I myself never anticipated that. Christine’s return would tip the see saw in this manner. In fact, if anything I thought it would make Stevie less powerful than she had been in the foursome. Boy, did I miscalculate.

I remember when Lindsey railed against Big Bad Howard. He had no idea what rough beast was slouching towards him to be born.

Exactly. When has this band ever been happy post-1976? I don't think many people would have been too shocked if FM had broken up after Rumours due to all the drama. But it is kind of a shock now: the band weathered all the emotional travails of their prime years, and they're going to fire a core member now, in their golden years?

I agree that what really kept the band together post-Rumours was chasing pop success. They had to capitalize on that, and they definitely couldn't afford to lose Lindsey in their prime, as he was essentially the creative director of the band. Now that any commercial relevance is behind FM and they're just an oldies touring act, they don't really need Lindsey as much anymore.

He already helped craft their hits, so they can just hire other players to sing his songs and play the guitar parts he created.

[elle]

Is it really necessary to bring that here???????? Really?

thank you.

i've seen Steve posting this over and over in bunch of threads and i just don't get it. i come here, like i believe most of us, to get away from regular life and everything we are bombarded with every day. i thought politics is for chit chat, not FM forums.

[elle]

It is genetics. All the cocaine he inhaled over the years and all the cigarettes he smoked
if it was just genetics, cocaine and smoking, there is at least one member of that band who would have had a heart attack way before LB. we know LB has family history, we don't know whether he even inherited genetic predisposition.

PSA: genetics is not deterministic for almost any heart disease. it is one of the factors, together with bunch of others including lifestyle, exercise, eating habits, environment, and stress. claiming that a highly stressful year had nothing to do with someone's heart attack is ignorant. #TheMoreYouKnow

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so i will repeat to people who keep asking what we should expect from FM, after the heart attack - and what Mick is so obviously not doing:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">dear <a href="https://twitter.com/fleetwoodmac?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fleetwoodmac</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MickFleetwood?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MickFleetwood</a> you know y'all have been given that rare second chance. <br><br>time to pull the plug on all that &quot;new and better band&quot; bull**** PR that's been pushed this whole tour.<br><br>time to actually start mending fences &amp; being kind to one another.</p>&mdash; elle (@ellellew) <a href="https://twitter.com/ellellew/status/1095430240413929472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[AliceLover]

Such a bad move. I cry myself to sleep every night knowing that I will never have the privilege to sit through fifteen minutes of I'm So Afraid ever again.

:laugh:

But in all seriousness, I do actually miss Bleed to Love Her, and I had hoped for a Rumours 5 live performance of Steal Your Heart Away, On With the Show and Carnival Begin. And again, in all seriousness, I think their version of Black Magic Woman is terrific.

His songs always got the longest audience applause..SHN, Tusk, Big Love, and yes I'm So Afraid.

[elle]

What a lying SCUMBAG.

“We weren’t happy — [happy] sounds almost like too light of a word to use,” Fleetwood says of Buckingham’s firing. “It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/fleetwood-mac-on-booting-buckingham-we-werent-happy/

yes. this is how unhappy Fleetwood Mac looks like:


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[bombaysaffires]

Exactly. When has this band ever been happy post-1976? I don't think many people would have been too shocked if FM had broken up after Rumours due to all the drama. But it is kind of a shock now: the band weathered all the emotional travails of their prime years, and they're going to fire a core member now, in their golden years?

I agree that what really kept the band together post-Rumours was chasing pop success. They had to capitalize on that, and they definitely couldn't afford to lose Lindsey in their prime, as he was essentially the creative director of the band. Now that any commercial relevance is behind FM and they're just an oldies touring act, they don't really need Lindsey as much anymore.

He already helped craft their hits, so they can just hire other players to sing his songs and play the guitar parts he created.


yep, aided and abetted by Azoff.... I'm sure he pointed out to them, "Look at the Eagles....Glen who was the lead/co-lead is gone, and they just replaced him and the fans are fine, they're making money hand over fist" And then Journey kept going and just replaced Steve Perry, and Queen kept going replacing their ONLY lead singer and ONLY really energetic front person Freddie Mercury and fans still paid to fill shows, and example after example.

He would have been one of the major voices probably both while they were deciding and afterward encouraging this.

[button-lip]

yep, aided and abetted by Azoff.... I'm sure he pointed out to them, "Look at the Eagles....Glen who was the lead/co-lead is gone, and they just replaced him and the fans are fine, they're making money hand over fist" And then Journey kept going and just replaced Steve Perry, and Queen kept going replacing their ONLY lead singer and ONLY really energetic front person Freddie Mercury and fans still paid to fill shows, and example after example.

He would have been one of the major voices probably both while they were deciding and afterward encouraging this.

Queen didn't exactly replace their lead singer in the same way as Journey, The Eagles or Fakewood Mac.
He kinda …. died. Because he refused to take his AIDS meds. And John Deacon left the band once Freddie died. I don't think it's fair for the rest of the band to stop doing their music because of that.

Just adding my two 0.02 Queen cents. :wavey:

[jcalzaretta]

I am appalled by some of the commentary here. This used to be such a fun place to visit and read.

[elle]

KB's response on Mick's newest round of interviews. it's so sad the Bucks had to see those interviews that really should go straight to the trash piles of history, for Mick's and band's legacy sake. she clarifies several things here too, that we didn't necessarily know about:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/MickFleetwood?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MickFleetwood</a> you are so busy telling the world how “unhappy” the band was. It would have been nice if you told Lindsey that. He’s still wondering what happened. You are a dishonest coward and I have zero respect for you.That goes for all of you FM,you really suck <a href="https://twitter.com/fleetwoodmac?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fleetwoodmac</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1104787984761511941?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[bombaysaffires]

Queen didn't exactly replace their lead singer in the same way as Journey, The Eagles or Fakewood Mac.
He kinda …. died. Because he refused to take his AIDS meds. And John Deacon left the band once Freddie died. I don't think it's fair for the rest of the band to stop doing their music because of that.

Just adding my two 0.02 Queen cents. :wavey:

uh, Glen Frey also died. :shrug:

And you've missed the main point. Key figures in bands, like, the one and only front person, can leave (for whatever reason) and nowadays the bands keep going. Azoff would have been, IMHO, the first one to point this out to the band to allay any concerns they might have had re: whether it was a good/viable decision to keep going after firing LB. Which Mick in fact said they did-- they had the conversation about can we do this? And then decided they could. His words. I'm betting Azoff as their manager was part of that conversation and one of the strongest voices telling them they could and should keep going.

[elle]

Azoff would have been, IMHO, the first one to point this out to the band to allay any concerns they might have had re: whether it was a good/viable decision to keep going after firing LB. Which Mick in fact said they did-- they had the conversation about can we do this? And then decided they could. His words. I'm betting Azoff as their manager was part of that conversation and one of the strongest voices telling them they could and should keep going.
you gotta wonder who exactly was a part of that conversation and when exactly it happened? Mick said they took a while to discuss that, but then quickly corrects himself that no it was in fact short. because i guess you gotta stay with the fictional story of firing never occurring to them before Musicares and happening within a day after it and MC invited to join just 2 days later.... so obviously not much time there. i bet Mick, Stevie and Azoff were the ones plotting it all in the fall/winter of 2017. remember that guy from Heartbreakers circles said they polled the promoters to prove they can be more viable without LB than without SN? that all took time.

KB's response on Mick's newest round of interviews. it's so sad the Bucks had to see those interviews that really should go straight to the trash piles of history, for Mick's and band's legacy sake. she clarifies several things here too, that we didn't necessarily know about:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/MickFleetwood?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MickFleetwood</a> you are so busy telling the world how “unhappy” the band was. It would have been nice if you told Lindsey that. He’s still wondering what happened. You are a dishonest coward and I have zero respect for you.That goes for all of you FM,you really suck <a href="https://twitter.com/fleetwoodmac?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fleetwoodmac</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1104787984761511941?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"He’s still wondering what happened." this is just heartbreaking. especially coupled with these 2 most recent vomit-interviews Mick gave.

kick the people close to you when they are down has been Mick's MO according to so many people around the band. and then lie about what happened. you gotta wonder whether what he told Wendy Welch about Christine is a complete lie too - because why would we expect lying liar to tell the truth?

[button-lip]

uh, Glen Frey also died. :shrug:

And you've missed the main point. Key figures in bands, like, the one and only front person, can leave (for whatever reason) and nowadays the bands keep going. Azoff would have been, IMHO, the first one to point this out to the band to allay any concerns they might have had re: whether it was a good/viable decision to keep going after firing LB. Which Mick in fact said they did-- they had the conversation about can we do this? And then decided they could. His words. I'm betting Azoff as their manager was part of that conversation and one of the strongest voices telling them they could and should keep going.

I was talking more about Don Felder than Glen Frey. That's why I said I was adding my 0.02 Queen cents.

They all plotted against Lindsey. Azzoff included. I'm still unsure if Christine and John were part of that conversation, they disagreed and Mick/Stevie/Azzoff went on despite their differences and behind Christine and John's backs. Hence Christine's displeasure in the CBS interview.

After the last Mick's interview I'm starting to wonder if Stevie in fact wanted to fire him before Musicares and maybe Mick told her 'no'. Not defending Mick here, but she probably wanted to even take that away from him and his family.

[michelej1]

I am appalled by some of the commentary here. This used to be such a fun place to visit and read.

I don’t remember a time when there were not many complaints about just how UNfun this place is.

[BombaySapphire3]

Queen didn't exactly replace their lead singer in the same way as Journey, The Eagles or Fakewood Mac.
He kinda …. died. Because he refused to take his AIDS meds. And John Deacon left the band once Freddie died. I don't think it's fair for the rest of the band to stop doing their music because of that.

Just adding my two 0.02 Queen cents. :wavey:

Just an FYI when Freddie died anti H.I.V meds would have made little difference. The protease inhibitors that could have did not come along until 5 years or so after he passed.

[button-lip]

Just an FYI when Freddie died anti H.I.V meds would have made little difference. The protease inhibitors that could have did not come along until 5 years or so after he passed.

I know that. I read many books about the band and Freddie, even Jim Hutton's book. But he could have lived a little longer if he had taken his pain meds.
He didn't want any meds that would compromise his musical vision and legacy.

[dreamsunwind]

I was talking more about Don Felder than Glen Frey. That's why I said I was adding my 0.02 Queen cents.

They all plotted against Lindsey. Azzoff included. I'm still unsure if Christine and John were part of that conversation, they disagreed and Mick/Stevie/Azzoff went on despite their differences and behind Christine and John's backs. Hence Christine's displeasure in the CBS interview.

After the last Mick's interview I'm starting to wonder if Stevie in fact wanted to fire him before Musicares and maybe Mick told her 'no'. Not defending Mick here, but she probably wanted to even take that away from him and his family.

Don Felder was not a lead singer in The Eagles lol.
And I doubt Azoff “plotted” against anyone. He was probably just as annoyed by it as anyone but when the situation became what it was, he went with the money.

[dreamsunwind]

Honestly at this point people need to start letting this go lol. I was so mad about this situation and still am but saying the same things over and over and over isn’t gonna get you anywhere and all it does is make you sound like a broken record. Lindsey’s family is obviously entitled to what they’re feeling but as for fans, it’s been a full year and I guarantee you life will go on and everyone will be fine.

[elle]

I don’t remember a time when there were not many complaints about just how UNfun this place is.

you know, i posted the link to this thread in a FB group because people have been asking what is KB reacting to, and this thread has both recent Mick's interviews. people looked here and went - oh wow, that place used to be so horrible, nice to see there is actually some balance and reason on there! :wavey:

[button-lip]

Don Felder was not a lead singer in The Eagles lol.
And I doubt Azoff “plotted” against anyone. He was probably just as annoyed by it as anyone but when the situation became what it was, he went with the money.

Really? I didn't know that!!!! :shocked::shocked::shocked: He was fired anyway. I know they were talking about lead singers. Honestly. I knew it….


Honestly at this point people need to start letting this go lol. I was so mad about this situation and still am but saying the same things over and over and over isn’t gonna get you anywhere and all it does is make you sound like a broken record. Lindsey’s family is obviously entitled to what they’re feeling but as for fans, it’s been a full year and I guarantee you life will go on and everyone will be fine.

Thanks. Noted. We all know life goes on. :shocked::shocked::shocked:

Well, at least Lindsey's family can still bitch about it…

[michelej1]

Honestly at this point people need to start letting this go lol. I was so mad about this situation and still am but saying the same things over and over and over isn’t gonna get you anywhere and all it does is make you sound like a broken record. Lindsey’s family is obviously entitled to what they’re feeling but as for fans, it’s been a full year and I guarantee you life will go on and everyone will be fine.

I intend to complain about this until I die — or get arthritis. Not really a let it go person. But I do walk away from websites where I don’t like the tone. I walked away from this website in 2003 because I did not like the people here and I went and hung out in FM Legacy which aligned more to my style.. Now there are so many other choices with social media than I had in 2003. It is easy to find a place perfectly suited.

[HomerMcvie]

Honestly at this point people need to start letting this go lol. I was so mad about this situation and still am but saying the same things over and over and over isn’t gonna get you anywhere and all it does is make you sound like a broken record. Lindsey’s family is obviously entitled to what they’re feeling but as for fans, it’s been a full year and I guarantee you life will go on and everyone will be fine.
Perhaps you are in the WRONG FORUM. Think about that for a minute. There's a PRESENT BAND forum, and a GOAT forum. That's probably where you'll find the support for which you're looking. Good luck.

[aleuzzi]

Honestly at this point people need to start letting this go lol. I was so mad about this situation and still am but saying the same things over and over and over isn’t gonna get you anywhere and all it does is make you sound like a broken record. Lindsey’s family is obviously entitled to what they’re feeling but as for fans, it’s been a full year and I guarantee you life will go on and everyone will be fine.

As long as Mick and other members of the present band keep giving bs PR interviews that reference in only the most generic and half-assed ways the firing of their artistic lynchpin, I suspect none of us who keep commenting will “get over it.” And as long as the present lineup is till raking in money on a tour made up of songs largely crafted or arranged by the person they fired, well—getting over it just ain’t going to happen.

Most of us would welcome an honest interview from Mick that says more than “we were unhappy”—a sentiment held, quite visibly, by only 1/5 of the Rumours fivesome. If he and the McVies would just own their greed and say they bowed to the inbalance and spite of their star, that’d be a start. But obviously that isn’t going to happen and we’re not going to stop bitching.

[button-lip]

As long as Mick and other members of the present band keep giving bs PR interviews that reference in only the most generic and half-assed ways the firing of their artistic lynchpin, I suspect none of us who keep commenting will “get over it.” And as long as the present lineup is till raking in money on a tour made up of songs largely crafted or arranged by the person they fired, well—getting over it just ain’t going to happen.

Most of us would welcome an honest interview from Mick that says more than “we were unhappy”—a sentiment held, quite visibly, by only 1/5 of the Rumours fivesome. If he and the McVies would just own their greed and say they bowed to the inbalance and spite of their star, that’d be a start. But obviously that isn’t going to happen and we’re not going to stop bitching.

Mick could easily ask for no more questions about Lindsey, like Stevie did. But he LOVES stirring the pot. So if he still can say nasty things about Lindsey I think we’re still entitled to support him and bitch about those traitors.

[Storms123]

Mick could easily ask for no more questions about Lindsey, like Stevie did. But he LOVES stirring the pot. So if he still can say nasty things about Lindsey I think we’re still entitled to support him and bitch about those traitors.

Mick will take any kind of press he can get, good/bad makes no difference to him. I am sure he loves that Lindsey’s wife is tweeting about him. He’s a narcissistic charlatan

[aleuzzi]

Mick could easily ask for no more questions about Lindsey, like Stevie did. But he LOVES stirring the pot. So if he still can say nasty things about Lindsey I think we’re still entitled to support him and bitch about those traitors.

I'd feel entitled to bitch even if he said "no questions about Lindsey" because we haven't ever gotten a satisfactory reason for his firing.

[lovethemac1]

I'd feel entitled to bitch even if he said "no questions about Lindsey" because we haven't ever gotten a satisfactory reason for his firing.

^^^^^ EXACTLY!!!!

[jbrownsjr]

I'd feel entitled to bitch even if he said "no questions about Lindsey" because we haven't ever gotten a satisfactory reason for his firing.

Well I broke down
Like a little Girl.

[dreamsunwind]

As long as Mick and other members of the present band keep giving bs PR interviews that reference in only the most generic and half-assed ways the firing of their artistic lynchpin, I suspect none of us who keep commenting will “get over it.” And as long as the present lineup is till raking in money on a tour made up of songs largely crafted or arranged by the person they fired, well—getting over it just ain’t going to happen.

Most of us would welcome an honest interview from Mick that says more than “we were unhappy”—a sentiment held, quite visibly, by only 1/5 of the Rumours fivesome. If he and the McVies would just own their greed and say they bowed to the inbalance and spite of their star, that’d be a start. But obviously that isn’t going to happen and we’re not going to stop bitching.

I’m not saying anyone has to get over it and learn to accept the band now etc. I know I don’t and I never will. But honestly it’s basically fact that nothing anyone in the band says about the matter will change anytime soon so at some point it’s got to be tiring just saying the same things over and over and over for a year. If Mick or Stevie or someone actually said something different to fuel some new conversation then that would be something. But at this point it doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen so the talk never changes, everyone just keeps repeating different variations of the same thing they have been saying for a year. Like trust me, I know Mick is shameless and Stevie is crazy but really what’s the point in it being repeated constantly when it isn’t fueling any new discussion.

[michelej1]

I don't know. After 40 years, there's not a lot new to discuss. Maybe offer our insights on the making of Rumours ...

[David]

I don't know. After 40 years, there's not a lot new to discuss. Maybe offer our insights on the making of Rumours ...
It was the best of times. . . . it was the worst of times.

1976 Sausalito
Tempers were frayed, nerves were on edge, and music was slick and sweet.
Good songs just poured out of the people in Fleetwood Mac, like orange juice out of a jug.

I was actually more bummed about Lindsey's 1987 departure because their musical power hadn't deteriorated very much by that point. I was actually really looking forward to a 1987 tour with a post-Rock a Little Stevie bellowing at Lindsey onstage and him shouting right back.

But last year's separation was a lot more unexpected, and it's that shock that is impossible to come to complete terms with. A post-Dance Fleetwood Mac, no matter how fractious, just doesn't split up. Know what I mean? It was the strangest non sequitur in the band's post-Spencer history. Who could have or would have predicted that the group, at this late, late stage, would kick Lindsey out?

[michelej1]

But last year's separation was a lot more unexpected, and it's that shock that is impossible to come to complete terms with. A post-Dance Fleetwood Mac, no matter how fractious, just doesn't split up. Know what I mean? It was the strangest non sequitur in the band's post-Spencer history.

It is so.

Then tell Wind and Fire where to stop, but don’t tell me.

[dreamsunwind]

I don't know. After 40 years, there's not a lot new to discuss. Maybe offer our insights on the making of Rumours ...

Yeah and there’s a difference between just discussing things about the band and repeating the same old “Mick loves money” “Stevie is an evil goat witch” “Everyone is awful and corrupt” comments in different variations over and over for months on end. Lindsey was fried and it was awful and what they did was unforgiveble but how can someone not get tired of expressing the same negative thoughts all the time for coming on over a year now. Especially with what happened to Lindsey recently, you’d think it would show people there are bad things and then are bad things and help put it all bit more into perspective. But then again you’re entitled to your perspective just as I’m entitled to mine.

[michelej1]

Yeah and there’s a difference between just discussing things about the band and repeating the same old “Mick loves money” “Stevie is an evil goat witch” “Everyone is awful and corrupt” comments in different variations over and over for months on end. Lindsey was fried and it was awful and what they did was unforgiveble but how can someone not get tired of expressing the same negative thoughts all the time for coming on over a year now. Especially with what happened to Lindsey recently, you’d think it would show people there are bad things and then are bad things and help put it all bit more into perspective. But then again you’re entitled to your perspective just as I’m entitled to mine.

If you find the repetition futile and oppressive, there are topics on this board where other things are being discussed: new music, exciting events unfolding, fresh views. Why don't you go read those or start your own original topic full of mirth and promise. Sitting here and bemoaning the fact that people are repeating the same thing over and over again, does not reduce the repetition. Skip the topics, the forums or the websites you find tedious.

[elle]

Yeah and there’s a difference between just discussing things about the band and repeating the same old “Mick loves money” “Stevie is an evil goat witch” “Everyone is awful and corrupt” comments in different variations over and over for months on end. Lindsey was fried and it was awful and what they did was unforgiveble but how can someone not get tired of expressing the same negative thoughts all the time for coming on over a year now. Especially with what happened to Lindsey recently, you’d think it would show people there are bad things and then are bad things and help put it all bit more into perspective.
exactly. what happened to him recently brought it all back into a very sharp perspective. it made it clear how much he was putting on a happy facade last fall and how much what happened a year ago really hurt him, and eventually translated into physical illness.

and now we are getting new trashy interviews from Mick / the band. these interviews are for this week's shows. so you are saying we should just let Mick get away with renewed trashing of him instead of calling on him to stop. #notgonnahappen

you know what's tiresome? people saying for a year now "get over it!" - how are people not tired of saying it - over and over and over and over again, exact same thing? obviously we and the band and Lindsey & his family are not getting over it. people who claim they did, well then - get over it! stop saying it! :lol: :]

[dreamsunwind]

My goodness, make the suggestion that at a certain point it’s for the best to stop dwelling in what happened and move on and you’re dogpiled on. Not telling anyone to “just get over it”, nope just saying when it’s clear the situation isn’t gonna change it’s better to just start letting go. Wow.

[elle]

My goodness, make the suggestion that at a certain point it’s for the best to stop dwelling in what happened and move on and you’re dogpiled on. Not telling anyone to “just get over it”, nope just saying when it’s clear the situation isn’t gonna change it’s better to just start letting go. Wow.

get over it! :wavey: :laugh:

[michelej1]

My goodness, make the suggestion that at a certain point it’s for the best to stop dwelling in what happened and move on and you’re dogpiled on. Not telling anyone to “just get over it”, nope just saying when it’s clear the situation isn’t gonna change it’s better to just start letting go. Wow.

Thanks for the letting go advice. Your point has been made.

[dreamsunwind]

Thanks for the letting go advice. Your point has been made.

You’re so welcome! :thumbsup::D

[HomerMcvie]

My goodness, make the suggestion that at a certain point it’s for the best to stop dwelling in what happened and move on and you’re dogpiled on. Not telling anyone to “just get over it”, nope just saying when it’s clear the situation isn’t gonna change it’s better to just start letting go. Wow.

DON'T TELL PEOPLE HOW TO FEEL.

Get it?????

[jbrownsjr]

It was the best of times. . . . it was the worst of times.

1976 Sausalito
Tempers were frayed, nerves were on edge, and music was slick and sweet.
Good songs just poured out of the people in Fleetwood Mac, like orange juice out of a jug.

I was actually more bummed about Lindsey's 1987 departure because their musical power hadn't deteriorated very much by that point. I was actually really looking forward to a 1987 tour with a post-Rock a Little Stevie bellowing at Lindsey onstage and him shouting right back.

But last year's separation was a lot more unexpected, and it's that shock that is impossible to come to complete terms with. A post-Dance Fleetwood Mac, no matter how fractious, just doesn't split up. Know what I mean? It was the strangest non sequitur in the band's post-Spencer history. Who could have or would have predicted that the group, at this late, late stage, would kick Lindsey out?

The Tale of Two Stevies

[jbrownsjr]

My goodness, make the suggestion that at a certain point it’s for the best to stop dwelling in what happened and move on and you’re dogpiled on. Not telling anyone to “just get over it”, nope just saying when it’s clear the situation isn’t gonna change it’s better to just start letting go. Wow.

.... AND THE WALLS CAME TUMBLING DOWN.....

[button-lip]

My goodness, make the suggestion that at a certain point it’s for the best to stop dwelling in what happened and move on and you’re dogpiled on. Not telling anyone to “just get over it”, nope just saying when it’s clear the situation isn’t gonna change it’s better to just start letting go. Wow.

Every time I want to "let it go", because, trust me, I do want to "let it go", there comes Mick making me furious with some stupid or hurtful comment about Lindsey. And then I want to kill him and the rest of the band, and I get very sad thinking about what Lindsey and his family must be feeling. :(

And I want the day to end and I want this tour to end and I want Lindsey to get better. So there goes my answer of why I just can't "let this go". I has become very personal for me. Sorry.

[sasja]

You are an attention seeking piece of work arent you? Go put on your Stevie dress.


:blob1::laugh::blob1::laugh::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

Home made apple wine for you and fifty bouquets!

Ahahahhaaa that made my night, that comment, thank you.

On the interview.... astounding to me that people even still bother to interview those hasbeens. I couldn't even be bothered to read it, I can add two and two and know it could only have been garbage verbiage.:wavey:

[StreetAngel86]

What a lying SCUMBAG.

“We weren’t happy — [happy] sounds almost like too light of a word to use,” Fleetwood says of Buckingham’s firing. “It just wasn’t a happy situation anymore, really for everyone.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/fleetwood-mac-on-booting-buckingham-we-werent-happy/

i heart you.
just for the title of this thread.
:lol:

[StreetAngel86]

Real witches never die. They kill everything around them but they never die. That’s why she killed four of her children, her best friend and almost killed her favorite enemy.


add Prince to that list too ... since he was one of her most DEAREST friends whom she never hung out with.

she probably killed Bowie too :(

[secret love]

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Did Rick Vito play with Stevie Nicks on the Street Angel Tour? :eek:

[justcrazylove]

Not being nasty, but do you know anything about this band? You continually sprout absolute crap and yet don't know basic knowledge of the history of the members of the band.

[button-lip]

add Prince to that list too ... since he was one of her most DEAREST friends whom she never hung out with.

she probably killed Bowie too :(

You said it yourself. Prince was one of her dearest friends on her mind. Please, Prince was friends with everybody! :laugh::laugh:

Woman is ready for the looney bin.

[cbBen]

Did Rick Vito play with Stevie Nicks on the Street Angel Tour? :eek:

Yes: https://stevie-nicks.info/tours/1994-street-angel-tour/

[aleuzzi]

Thanks for the letting go advice. Your point has been made.

The point has been made--and it will go largely unheeded. Firing Lindsey at this point in the band's career is just bizarre and sadly no bizarre--it's the result of a base and embarrassing greed. I for one am seeing the band that has been the soundtrack of my life self-destruct in a grotesque parody of its famed dysfunction.

[elle]

these reviews from DC, AC and NYC over the last week sound pretty balanced.
guess it's reviewers with integrity vs the ones pasting the script provided by FM publicists.

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[StreetAngel86]

You said it yourself. Prince was one of her dearest friends on her mind. Please, Prince was friends with everybody! :laugh::laugh:

Woman is ready for the looney bin.

and you understand the concept of sarcasm, right?
i don't believe for 2 seconds they were "friends"


but your 2nd point ... yes. i do think she is demented.

[jbrownsjr]

and you understand the concept of sarcasm, right?
i don't believe for 2 seconds they were "friends"


but your 2nd point ... yes. i do think she is demented.

I am a prince. Stevie told me when I met her.

[StreetAngel86]

I am a prince. Stevie told me when I met her.


in. your. dreams.


:p:p:p:p:p