podcasts: skipping FM because no LB

[elle]

2 podcasts showed up today having interesting spins on the whole FM debacle.

after i listened to these, i cam here and read all the lamenting about nobody skipping FM shows because no Lindsey, other than huge huge fans such as people here. well - guess what? listen to these. these people are music lovers who go see most big acts, not specifically huge FM fans, and seem pretty much oblivious to all the specifics we discuss in these boards.

FM / LB bits are from just after 24 minute mark in this podcast, it's out of Birmingham, AL -
https://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/d/6/f/d6f1a6f8ab8d9d5c/WIWC68.mp3?c_id=34256954&cs_id=34256954&expiration=1550283787&hwt=29e03e66f1de81fa7f0d52b2f49d14d0
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the latest When It Was Cool Podcast takes a look at the health crisis suffered by Lindsey Buckingham and we talk Fleetwood Mac - <a href="https://t.co/WGfmVHbZTc">https://t.co/WGfmVHbZTc</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/podcast?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#podcast</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PodernFamily?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PodernFamily</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FleetwoodMac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FleetwoodMac</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LindseyBuckingham?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LindseyBuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/music?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#music</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/classicrock?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#classicrock</a> <a href="https://t.co/IDoYuC3Dgo">pic.twitter.com/IDoYuC3Dgo</a></p>&mdash; When It Was Cool ® (@WIWCool) <a href="https://twitter.com/WIWCool/status/1096535479397371905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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part about FM / LB is between 35 and 45 mins of this podcast (they talk about the Dodger Stadium show in 2017, Forum shows in 2014-15, energy at the stage in front of Lindsey etc etc. they skipped LA Forum shows because they couldn't bring themselves to sour their last great experiences of seeing FM with Lindsey, but then decided to see them in Nashville and make a trip out of it. sounds pretty obvious these people know next to nothing about the last years drama and what really happened, compared to all details we discuss here, just that LB is not in FM.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/be-here-for-a-while/id1119939501?mt=2&i=1000429936599
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My BFF <a href="https://twitter.com/kristendoute?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kristendoute</a> joins me in my podcast today to talk about the time we stalked Lindsey Buckingham, her portrayal on this season of Vanderpump Rules, and our upcoming trip to Nashville! Listen on <a href="https://twitter.com/ApplePodcasts?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@applepodcasts</a> @stitcherpodcasts <a href="https://twitter.com/Spotify?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@spotify</a> <a href="https://t.co/SQHFDzwOQM">https://t.co/SQHFDzwOQM</a> <a href="https://t.co/jMqwYBG43J">pic.twitter.com/jMqwYBG43J</a></p>&mdash; Rachael O'Brien (@rachaelnobrien) <a href="https://twitter.com/rachaelnobrien/status/1096560058014429186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[vivfox]

FM / LB bits are from just after 24 minute mark in this podcast, it's out of Birmingham, AL -
https://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/d/6/f/d6f1a6f8ab8d9d5c/WIWC68.mp3?c_id=34256954&cs_id=34256954&expiration=1550283787&hwt=29e03e66f1de81fa7f0d52b2f49d14d0
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the latest When It Was Cool Podcast takes a look at the health crisis suffered by Lindsey Buckingham and we talk Fleetwood Mac - <a href="https://t.co/WGfmVHbZTc">https://t.co/WGfmVHbZTc</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/podcast?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#podcast</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PodernFamily?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PodernFamily</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FleetwoodMac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FleetwoodMac</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LindseyBuckingham?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LindseyBuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/music?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#music</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/classicrock?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#classicrock</a> <a href="https://t.co/IDoYuC3Dgo">pic.twitter.com/IDoYuC3Dgo</a></p>&mdash; When It Was Cool ® (@WIWCool) <a href="https://twitter.com/WIWCool/status/1096535479397371905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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part about FM / LB is between 35 and 45 mins of this podcast (they talk about the Dodger Stadium show in 2017, Forum shows in 2014-15, energy at the stage in front of Lindsey etc etc. they skipped LA Forum shows because they couldn't bring themselves to sour their last great experiences of seeing FM with Lindsey, but then decided to see them in Nashville and make a trip out of it. sounds pretty obvious these people know next to nothing about the last years drama and what really happened, compared to all details we discuss here, just that LB is not in FM.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/be-here-for-a-while/id1119939501?mt=2&i=1000429936599
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My BFF <a href="https://twitter.com/kristendoute?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kristendoute</a> joins me in my podcast today to talk about the time we stalked Lindsey Buckingham, her portrayal on this season of Vanderpump Rules, and our upcoming trip to Nashville! Listen on <a href="https://twitter.com/ApplePodcasts?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@applepodcasts</a> @stitcherpodcasts <a href="https://twitter.com/Spotify?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@spotify</a> <a href="https://t.co/SQHFDzwOQM">https://t.co/SQHFDzwOQM</a> <a href="https://t.co/jMqwYBG43J">pic.twitter.com/jMqwYBG43J</a></p>&mdash; Rachael O'Brien (@rachaelnobrien) <a href="https://twitter.com/rachaelnobrien/status/1096560058014429186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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If they are to believed elle, does it not sadden you that someone was in a sense paying people to be excited in front of LB while he performed?

[elle]

If they are to believed elle, does it not sadden you that someone was in a sense paying people to be excited in front of LB while he performed?

why make up stuff vivfox? nobody was paying people.

some people who wanted to be at the show got free tickets. sounds familiar? you do know that's happening, right? that every member of the band and crew can give away some? not sure whether that's still the case, but Stevie used to have a gaggle of girls like that, they would actually get all access i believe.

this and reactions from some on twitter got me thinking:

what if him-or-me ultimatum was about Stevie being so annoyed (upset, jealous, pick your own adjective) by the high energy fans - especially girls - Lindsey had upfront on the last few tours that she was like - i am not going through THAT again! everybody upfront needs to be excited to see ME, not him, and everyone on the stage should pay attention to ME, instead of entertaining and flirting with the fans upfront?

someone told me last night after listening to this - what if LB was doing this precisely to annoy SN into making new music? because she definitely hated it. and he doesn't do this on any of his solo shows, or BuckVie.

[SteveMacD]

someone told me last night after listening to this - what if LB was doing this precisely to annoy SN into making new music?

I guess THAT was an effective strategy.

[elle]

I guess THAT was an effective strategy. haha right?

so you think this speculation has legs?
what if him-or-me ultimatum was about Stevie being so annoyed (upset, jealous, pick your own adjective) by the high energy fans - especially girls - Lindsey had upfront on the last few tours that she was like - i am not going through THAT again! everybody upfront needs to be excited to see ME, not him, and everyone on the stage should pay attention to ME, instead of entertaining and flirting with the fans upfront?
i'm actually pretty certain that was a part of it. how big or how small i can't tell.

[bombaysaffires]

it all reeks of just how dysfunctional this band is and has been for a very long time. I know people get funky about Carol Ann's book, but she pulled back the curtain on a fair bit of this kind of crap going on back in the 70s and 80s. If not these specific activities, other ego-driven, competitive, in-fighting sorts of stuff. Which has always made the onstage faux love so nauseating. I've always felt bad for fans who believed it. I believed it until about the Tusk tour. He's obsessed with competing with her and she's obsessed with showing him how she doesn't need him (until she does, even on her solo work, and sends him demos asking him to bail her out).

It's sad, it's grossly codependent, it speaks to how limited and insulated their world really is. Even though he may get out in the 'real' world more than her because of his kids and all that, within the world of FM it's all reality-distortion. That's how they can all carry on in the band without him-- all the rest of the bubble is still intact. I figure Mike is used to it because Tom's world was pretty wacky, but Neil seems more down to earth, as Kiwis and Australians are, they're very quick to take the mickey and knock anyone who gets too into themselves. The world of FM must be a bit of Alice through the Looking Glass at times for him.

[elle]

and she's obsessed with showing him how she doesn't need him (until she does, even on her solo work, and sends him demos asking him to bail her out).

It's sad, it's grossly codependent, .

and also, obsessed with him and everyone else having to pay attention to her, first and foremost. that always puzzled me, if you are an entertainer, shouldn't you primarily be concerned with giving attention to your audience? not getting pi**ed about that?

[rhiannondontgo]

what if him-or-me ultimatum was about Stevie being so annoyed (upset, jealous, pick your own adjective) by the high energy fans - especially girls - Lindsey had upfront on the last few tours that she was like - i am not going through THAT again! everybody upfront needs to be excited to see ME, not him, and everyone on the stage should pay attention to ME, instead of entertaining and flirting with the fans upfront?

someone told me last night after listening to this - what if LB was doing this precisely to annoy SN into making new music? because she definitely hated it. and he doesn't do this on any of his solo shows, or BuckVie.

I was one of the girls who was pulled up every night with my friends to stand at LB’s mic and I could definitely tell we were annoying Stevie by being up there. The first time was an accident. Venue security approached us and said “If you guys act really excited and dance around and have fun, you can stand front row by Lindsey”. So of course we did it. Free upgrade? Why not? And I guess we did it well because every other time we entered a show and saw Ian & Justin, they let us come straight up. Ironically, none of us are Lindsey’s fans. We’re there to see Stevie. All of us are diehard SN people - like we literally all have moons tattooed on our arm. So the whole thing was ironic. Every night Stevie would be visibly annoyed by Lindsey flirting with young girls and talking to us while she was making speeches and stuff, but we were really *her* fans and were there to see her. We just had to continue dancing and flirting and being obnoxious with Lindsey if we wanted our permanent front-row upgrades. We were definitely much more worried about angering her than he was. There were times that Lindsey would sit at the edge of the stage trying to start conversations with us during a particularly long SN Intro (usually the intro to Gypsy) and we’d be honestly afraid to reply because we didn’t want to piss her off. It was a weird situation. We basically had to piss off our own hero every night in order to get closer to her. It was all just bizarre.

[sodascouts]

I got up to the front that way as well, but I kind of invited myself and luckily wasn't told I was too old and ugly since I was in my 30s, lol. Maybe they really were just looking for energetic people!

I didn't like that Lindsey chatted during Stevie's intros, but it wasn't all him. There were girls desperately trying to get his attention, trying to hold conversations with him even when he was several feet away from them and looking in another direction - I remember one in front of me at a concert who was holding up her phone trying to show him her number on it. She kept hollering his name in the breaks between songs and when Stevie was talking, trying to get him to look at her.

I frankly thought it was rude, and I did not try to talk to him during quiet moments or Stevie's intros. I can understand talking to him if he is directly addressing you - who wouldn't do that?! If he is looking right at you, OK. Otherwise, though.... but I guess that's just me.

Anyway, I imagine Stevie might have been annoyed, but I didn't see her shooting anyone dirty looks; rather, she seemed to studiously avoid looking at us. She had many adoring fans gazing up at her to make up for any distractions that might have been caused by those at Lindsey's feet.

But I seriously doubt this had any bearing on Stevie's decision to get Lindsey fired, except for giving her one more entry to add to her private ledger of his sins. If it was something that particularly enraged her, she didn't have to endure it. She could have easily made it a condition of the tour that Lindsey refrain from doing it. He would have readily acquiesced, and she would have begun things with a gratifying power play under her belt. No, that wasn't it.

[elle]

But I seriously doubt this had any bearing on Stevie's decision to get Lindsey fired, except for giving her one more entry to add to her private ledger of his sins. If it was something that particularly enraged her, she didn't have to endure it. She could have easily made it a condition of the tour that Lindsey refrain from doing it. He would have readily acquiesced, and she would have begun things with a gratifying power play under her belt. No, that wasn't it.

yeah, think about it - Bob Dylan thing, smirking, not understanding on his own to hold her hand when going on their backstage elevator, flirting with adoring fans at the stage, the need to release new music (that BuckVie album!), the list of ridiculous little things that she endlessly pins on him, in addition to all the little digs she's been making at him in every single story she tells - it all would seem non-consequential to a normal person, or at least to a person looking from the outside.

so as you said - these are all "entries to add to her private ledger of his sins" - you know so much about this band and BN in particular, and so do many fans here. so it makes perfect sense. something was the last straw to her, in addition to perfect timing after having just done a solo arena tour, to once and for all "win" their private little war.

yes, she could have just said no to fans at the stage in their negotiations. but that would not mean she won the war. it would have been just another little battle. she had all her ducks in place to win the war, and now there's nobody standing in her way of ruling fleetwood mac anymore.

[luminol]

I was one of the girls who was pulled up every night with my friends to stand at LB’s mic and I could definitely tell we were annoying Stevie by being up there. The first time was an accident. Venue security approached us and said “If you guys act really excited and dance around and have fun, you can stand front row by Lindsey”. So of course we did it. Free upgrade? Why not? And I guess we did it well because every other time we entered a show and saw Ian & Justin, they let us come straight up. Ironically, none of us are Lindsey’s fans. We’re there to see Stevie. All of us are diehard SN people - like we literally all have moons tattooed on our arm. So the whole thing was ironic. Every night Stevie would be visibly annoyed by Lindsey flirting with young girls and talking to us while she was making speeches and stuff, but we were really *her* fans and were there to see her. We just had to continue dancing and flirting and being obnoxious with Lindsey if we wanted our permanent front-row upgrades. We were definitely much more worried about angering her than he was. There were times that Lindsey would sit at the edge of the stage trying to start conversations with us during a particularly long SN Intro (usually the intro to Gypsy) and we’d be honestly afraid to reply because we didn’t want to piss her off. It was a weird situation. We basically had to piss off our own hero every night in order to get closer to her. It was all just bizarre.

This is fascinating. Thanks for sharing your insights.

[cbBen]

I get that Lindsey is difficult. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to work with him any longer.

But after the 1997 reset, it just isn't FM without LB.

They should have dissolved the band if they couldn't work with him, or change the name to something like "The Mac Attack" or "The Mac" (like the Grateful Dead shortened to "The Dead" after Jerry died).

The pre-Rumours and 1987-95 lineups were a different band.

1997 was a reset back to the classic lineup. You could remove Christine and make it work, but it just ain't Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham (and for that matter Stevie Nicks).

[BLY]

I get that Lindsey is difficult. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to work with him any longer.

But after the 1997 reset, it just isn't FM without LB.

They should have dissolved the band if they couldn't work with him, or change the name to something like "The Mac Attack" or "The Mac" (like the Grateful Dead shortened to "The Dead" after Jerry died).

The pre-Rumours and 1987-95 lineups were a different band.

1997 was a reset back to the classic lineup. You could remove Christine and make it work, but it just ain't Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham (and for that matter Stevie Nicks).


I do see your point here but the bottom line is “Fleetwood Mac” did exist before the “classic” line up. A name change is not in the cards. However, I do remember Mick saying in interviews and to me in person when I met him in 1996, that Fleetwood Mac isn’t Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham.

[elle]

You could replace everyone else in the band with cardboard cut-outs and Stevie people would still go. As long as Stevie is in this band, her fans will be there. I once heard that comedian Kathleen Madigan say “Stevie Nicks could eat a baby and I would still be a diehard Stevie Nicks fan.” And that sums it up better than I could.
We just had to continue dancing and flirting and being obnoxious with Lindsey if we wanted our permanent front-row upgrades. We were definitely much more worried about angering her than he was. There were times that Lindsey would sit at the edge of the stage trying to start conversations with us during a particularly long SN Intro (usually the intro to Gypsy) and we’d be honestly afraid to reply because we didn’t want to piss her off. It was a weird situation. We basically had to piss off our own hero every night in order to get closer to her. It was all just bizarre.
I got up to the front that way as well, but I kind of invited myself and luckily wasn't told I was too old and ugly since I was in my 30s, lol. Maybe they really were just looking for energetic people!

I didn't like that Lindsey chatted during Stevie's intros, but it wasn't all him. There were girls desperately trying to get his attention, trying to hold conversations with him even when he was several feet away from them and looking in another direction - I remember one in front of me at a concert who was holding up her phone trying to show him her number on it. She kept hollering his name in the breaks between songs and when Stevie was talking, trying to get him to look at her.

I frankly thought it was rude, and I did not try to talk to him during quiet moments or Stevie's intros. I can understand talking to him if he is directly addressing you - who wouldn't do that?! If he is looking right at you, OK. Otherwise, though.... but I guess that's just me.

so interesting to see these interpretations of the experience juxtaposed - one from a fan who is self-admittedly cult Nicks (see her quote at the top of this post) vs Nancy and the girls in the podcast who sound like all around FM fans.

poor Nicks fan just "had to" be energetic, dance, sing and enjoy their favorite band's show.:laugh: it's a hardship! while FM (and LB) fans enjoyed the experience because dancing and singing and interacting with the band just may have been what they came for - considering it's a rock concert! :woohoo: as these girls in podcast said, it was about having energy upfront, vs people getting wasted or falling asleep in front of the stage. (yes, it was sloppily executed, and i still read tons of people complaining about it, but many huge fans got to get to the stage this way on OWTS tour.)

if you knew what you were doing and you managed to get upfront, it was easy to move to Nicks side if that's where you wanted to be. and if you somehow got stuck on Nicks side, you could always move to Lindsey's side where all the fun and action was, if that's what you were into. :thumbsup:

tons of fans got their albums signed and got to chat with LB, and he made it the experience of their lives, at least judging by all excited social media posts from these shows.:blob1: if you wanted to listen to Stevie's long stories instead you could always do that. nobody was "making you" annoy her. :lol:

[SteveMacD]

so you think this speculation has legs?

i'm actually pretty certain that was a part of it. how big or how small i can't tell.

Maybe. I think there were a lot of issues.

I feel for the Brits the most in that scenario. The only thing that has to suck worse than being around a toxic relationship and having to pick sides is when livelihoods depend on it.

[SteveMacD]

But after the 1997 reset, it just isn't FM without LB.

OTOH, what did we get with this “reset” which they’ve never really mentioned?

Two albums (SYW and LBCM) and an EP in 20 years. Yipee. Not even one album by the full lineup that’s so sacred that any change is sacrilegious.

They should have dissolved the band if they couldn't work with him, or change the name to something like "The Mac Attack" or "The Mac" (like the Grateful Dead shortened to "The Dead" after Jerry died).

Why? That would be even less appropriate considering they’re doing pre- and post-Rumours era Fleetwood Mac songs. Fleetwood Mac doesn’t have an equivalent to Jerry, a Beatle, Freddie, Brian Wilson, etc.

The pre-Rumours and 1987-95 lineups were a different band.

1997 was a reset back to the classic lineup. You could remove Christine and make it work, but it just ain't Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham (and for that matter Stevie Nicks).

It didn’t work without Christine, though. 1998-2013 was the least productive decade and a half in the band’s history. One album, one EP, and three tours. They will have done more shows since Christine’s return five years ago than they did in the decade between SYW and her return. I don’t know exactly how that “reset” is remotely desirable or admirable. An album tanking is less embarrassing than that total sloth of output. That was a total failure on all of their parts to put the band first. I would have been more impressed if they went alt.country/Americana on a smaller label with Bekka & Billy than the two oldies tours.

[elle]

than the two oldies tours.

you mean, four oldies tours.

actually, the Dance was really oldies tour too, no? what did they have - 3 new songs? kinda like 2013 / EP tour.

so maybe 5 oldies tours and SYW.

total waste of 20+ years.

[SteveMacD]

you mean, four oldies tours.

actually, the Dance was really oldies tour too, no? what did they have - 3 new songs? kinda like 2013 / EP tour.

so maybe 5 oldies tours and SYW.

total waste of 20+ years.

1998-2013

That was after The Dance and before Christine returning. My comment was in reply to how the band worked without Christine, but not without Stevie and Lindsey. Well, how did THAT go? Two of the three tours were oldies tours, nothing new and nothing beyond six albums and some solo songs (and “Oh Well” really doesn’t count since it was more unusual that it didn’t get played).

That said, outside of the SYW tour, I think it was mostly a waste. Great they got on the album charts with The Dance and SYW and got to play arenas, but I’d rather they have moved further away from Rumours than put on the equivalent of a Broadway show off and on for fifteen years.

[elle]

1998-2013

That was after The Dance and before Christine returning. My comment was in reply to how the band worked without Christine, but not without Stevie and Lindsey. Well, how did THAT go? Two of the three tours were oldies tours, nothing new and nothing beyond six albums and some solo songs (and “Oh Well” really doesn’t count since it was more unusual that it didn’t get played).

That said, outside of the SYW tour, I think it was mostly a waste. Great they got on the album charts with The Dance and SYW and got to play arenas, but I’d rather they have moved further away from Rumours than put on the equivalent of a Broadway show off and on for fifteen years.

ok. so 1997-2019, under the name of Fleetwood Mac, we have:


2 oldies tours without Christine, and 3 oldies tours with Christine;
4 oldies tours with Lindsey, and 1 without him; and
5 oldies tours with Stevie, 0 without her.


all together, 5 oldies tours and just one complete studio album. as i said - huge waste of 20+ years.

[rhiannondontgo]

so interesting to see these interpretations of the experience juxtaposed - one from a fan who is self-admittedly cult Nicks (see her quote at the top of this post) vs Nancy and the girls in the podcast who sound like all around FM fans.

poor Nicks fan just "had to" be energetic, dance, sing and enjoy their favorite band's show.:laugh: it's a hardship! while FM (and LB) fans enjoyed the experience because dancing and singing and interacting with the band just may have been what they came for - considering it's a rock concert! :woohoo: as these girls in podcast said, it was about having energy upfront, vs people getting wasted or falling asleep in front of the stage. (yes, it was sloppily executed, and i still read tons of people complaining about it, but many huge fans got to get to the stage this way on OWTS tour.)

if you knew what you were doing and you managed to get upfront, it was easy to move to Nicks side if that's where you wanted to be. and if you somehow got stuck on Nicks side, you could always move to Lindsey's side where all the fun and action was, if that's what you were into. :thumbsup:

tons of fans got their albums signed and got to chat with LB, and he made it the experience of their lives, at least judging by all excited social media posts from these shows.:blob1: if you wanted to listen to Stevie's long stories instead you could always do that. nobody was "making you" annoy her. :lol:

Not sure what your issue is here. First of all, I like Lindsey just fine and enjoyed seeing him play every night. Second of all, I never said it was a chore. I said that we were brought up on the condition that we would dance/sing/liven it up. That’s not an assumption, those are the literal words that were told to us night after night when we were ushered into a little line to the front. We certainly didn’t mind having fun with him and would’ve been singing/dancing anyway. It was a fun experience and Lindsey was a great guy to us. We had many sweet conversations. Once he even made funny faces to me all throughout Silver Springs because he could see I was getting emotional and wanted to cheer me up. The next night he turned to me before that song and said “Don’t cry again!” which made us all laugh. It was a ton of fun and I have no complaints. I simply said it was a funny situation to be in. Knowing we originally were there to see Stevie and instead spent most of the tour annoying her. I think everybody else on here easily understood what I was saying and saw the humor in it. You’re just a little touchy, huh?

[SteveMacD]

ok. so 1997-2019, under the name of Fleetwood Mac, we have:


2 oldies tours without Christine, and 3 oldies tours with Christine;
4 oldies tours with Lindsey, and 1 without him; and
5 oldies tours with Stevie, 0 without her.


all together, 5 oldies tours and just one complete studio album. as i said - huge waste of 20+ years.

I don’t disagree. I will say The Dance and OWTS tours were a little different, in that it was the full classic lineup getting back together for a full tour after over a decade apart, and the current tour explores parts of the band’s history that have been dormant for decades or never explored (All Over Again), although I would rather it go even deeper. The ideal would be a mix of hits, new, vintage, and obscure, but that’s a pipe dream.

[elle]

It was a fun experience and Lindsey was a great guy to us. We had many sweet conversations. Once he even made funny faces to me all throughout Silver Springs because he could see I was getting emotional and wanted to cheer me up. The next night he turned to me before that song and said “Don’t cry again!” which made us all laugh. It was a ton of fun and I have no complaints. I simply said it was a funny situation to be in. Knowing we originally were there to see Stevie and instead spent most of the tour annoying her.
thanks for clarifying! :wavey:

i remember a friend of mine who's a huge Stevie fan and was always right in front of her mic jumping and dancing at every FM show once by chance ended up at Lindsey's mic. she messaged me immediately after that show all excited going - now i understand what you guys are talking about! what an experience being at his side of the stage! she said when he first saw her there he was like - aren't you on the wrong side and they laughed about it - and she went on and on about all the teasing back and forth, him pulling all those funny faces and all those interactions and little personal attentions like your anecdote. glad you had fun!

i'm pretty sure you know this girl, everyone who's ever been upfront at FM and SN shows does. she ended up being firmly team lindsey in this whole debacle and is now following different bands, skipping FM tour.

[elle]

I don’t disagree. I will say The Dance and OWTS tours were a little different, in that it was the full classic lineup getting back together for a full tour after over a decade apart, and the current tour explores parts of the band’s history that have been dormant for decades or never explored (All Over Again), although I would rather it go even deeper. The ideal would be a mix of hits, new, vintage, and obscure, but that’s a pipe dream.

yeah one can always find why all the tours were "a little" different. not enough and still a huge waste of time and opportunity. these people were in prime of their lives during the Dance. and as far as the band goes, wasted all those years since. and now they are old people.

#semantics

[michelej1]

The podcast I listened to that always mentioned Lindsey and the Mac was The Grizzly Bear Egg Cafe. It ended last year. It was hosted by wrestler Mike Quackenbush and Fox’s former weekend news host Clayton Morris. They never paid much attention to Stevie one way or another when they discussed the band. I would have loved to hear their commentary about the last year.

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It was a fun experience and Lindsey was a great guy to us. We had many sweet conversations. Once he even made funny faces to me all throughout Silver Springs because he could see I was getting emotional and wanted to cheer me up. The next night he turned to me before that song and said “Don’t cry again!” which made us all laugh. It was a ton of fun and I have no complaints.

Typical Lindsey. :lol::lol::thumbsup:


Knowing we originally were there to see Stevie and instead spent most of the tour annoying her.

Typical Stevie. :mad::mad:


I'm so glad I chose the right side! :)