Kristen Buckingham: Lindsey had open heart surgery

[jeets2000]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We can't thank you enough for love and support during this time XO❤️ <a href="https://t.co/wgJxDHDlo9">pic.twitter.com/wgJxDHDlo9</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1093969115859935233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[lovethemac1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We can't thank you enough for love and support during this time XO❤️ <a href="https://t.co/wgJxDHDlo9">pic.twitter.com/wgJxDHDlo9</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1093969115859935233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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OMF'G GOD! I am stunned, and SSSSOOOOOO relieved he is ok. I'm actually shaking.

That poor guy, I love him and his family so much. If Stevie so much as waltzes back in to pay her respects, I will F*IN LOSE my ****.

[Street_Dreamer]

Seeing this makes me very emotional... I'm so thankful that he is recovering.

[button-lip]

OMF'G GOD! I am stunned, and SSSSOOOOOO relieved he is ok. I'm actually shaking.

That poor guy, I love him and his family so f*in much. If Stevie so much as waltzes back in to pay her respects, I will F*IN LOSE my ****.

When I read those first words, "I'm sad to say..." and saw Lindsey's pic, my heart stopped. I was certainly not expecting this.

This is a tough period for Lindsey and his family. I hope they are ok, emotionally and physically.

I don't even wanna talk about that woman. She's on tour being happy. She finally got what she wanted. Please, leave it at that.

[Street_Dreamer]

I don't even wanna talk about that woman. She's on tour being happy. She finally got what she wanted. Please, leave it at that.

I agree. If anyone finds out where we can send well wishes to Lindsey, please post it here. I'm sure someone will if that information become available.

[fleetwoodguy79]

I knew that a day like this would come eventually and will never be prepared for it. Incredibly thankful that he’s still with us. Can’t imagine what his family is going through right now.

This hit me really hard. It’s going to be with me for a while. Speaks volumes for how his music has affected my life. I’m certain that I’m not alone...

[RockyRaccoon]

Maybe the members of the band might actually think to reach out to him. After something like this, it just goes to show that you never know when it might be too late.

[Storms123]

This made me emotional Very emotional Thank god they caught it and he looks well.

[button-lip]

I knew that a day like this would come eventually and will never be prepared for it. Incredibly thankful that he’s still with us. Can’t imagine what his family is going through right now.

This hit me really hard. It’s going to be with me for a while. Speaks volumes for how his music has affected my life. I’m certain that I’m not alone...

It hit me really hard too, and all I care about is his and his family's recovery. :(:(:(

His tour can wait. His former band members: I don't care.

[sands of time]

:(:(:(:(:(

[justdreamin]

Besides hoping for a full recovery as soon as possible, I hope the trauma to his vocal chords is just temporary. I also can't help but wonder what might have happened if he had toured with FM. All that stress... It might have just saved his life to have been doing the things he's done on his own terms (somewhat) this year. Brightest blessings to all.

[Macfan4life]

OMG
Praying for a speedy and full recovery
So scary. This was always Lindsey's deep fear after losing his father and brother at young ages to sudden heart problems.
God Bless you Lindsey
We love you very much!

[luminol]

I just saw her post and am SO GRATEFUL that he seems to be recovering... WOW, SO SCARY and shocking... Life is short and none of us know which sunrise will be our last. What a shock for him and his family. Thinking of them...

[David]

Guy's always been an unstoppable dynamo onstage, so maybe his recovery will be all the speedier.

[BlanketMan]

Such a shock to read this. I sure hope he recovers fully. He looked/sounded so great on Nov 30 when I saw his show in PA. Thank goodness he sought medical care and seems to be on the mend.

I had tickets to see Mike Nesmith and Micky Dolenz in June of 2018, and the show was cancelled last minute because Mike had to have emergency heart surgery, also. I bring it up because Mike is back on the road and looking/sounding great, and says he's feeling so much better than the weeks before the problem was found, so we can only hope Lindsey's recovery goes just as well, also.

[mitzo]

Good Lord. Thought he looked off over the past year or so. Hope he will be OK but the vocal cord damage is scary for a seventy-year-old.

[BTFLCHLD]

Based on the bandage and bruising, looks like he had to have a Tracheotomy. Quite possible he wasn't breathing at some point. God Bless Lindsey 🙏 😇 ❤️

[jmn3]

Poor Lindsey - what horrible news to see today. Sending tons of good vibes to him and his family for a successful and speedy recovery. These guys seem larger than life and invincible and the sad reality of life is none of us are.

[msLinds]

I was was very sad and worryed to hear Lindsey had open heart surgery.I'm glad they caught it and repaired it.I hope he makes a speedy and fast recovery.
No matter what happens with Lindsey;s voice.He is still a great Guitar player.I'm sending my prayers,love and support for him and his family.We Love you Lindsey.:wavey:

[missundercover]

We NEED you back, Lindsey! <3 <3 <3

And this doesn't feel right at all:
https://twitter.com/fleetwoodmac/status/ (https://twitter.com/fleetwoodmac/status/1094003044948344833)

[Jondalar]

I hope Stevie’s happy. She has almost put him in the grave!!!!

[button-lip]

We NEED you back, Lindsey! <3 <3 <3

And this doesn't feel right at all:
https://twitter.com/fleetwoodmac/status/ (https://twitter.com/fleetwoodmac/status/1094003044948344833)

Politically correct, that's it. :rolleyes:

I'm glad he's alive and with his family and true friends. The rest is just background noise.

[tothegypsy]

Politically correct, that's it. :rolleyes:


I don't doubt the sincerity of their statement. Deciding not to tour with him is not the same thing as wishing sickness or death on him.

[Jondalar]

I don't doubt the sincerity of their statement. Deciding not to tour with him is not the same thing as wishing sickness or death on him.

They should feel guilty!

[Nick]

I hope Stevie’s happy. She has almost put him in the grave!!!!

You are the biggest loser on this site and that's saying something.

[michelej1]

Such a shock to read this. I sure hope he recovers fully. He looked/sounded so great on Nov 30 when I saw his show in PA. Thank goodness he sought medical care and seems to be on the mend.

I had tickets to see Mike Nesmith and Micky Dolenz in June of 2018, and the show was cancelled last minute because Mike had to have emergency heart surgery, also. I bring it up because Mike is back on the road and looking/sounding great, and says he's feeling so much better than the weeks before the problem was found, so we can only hope Lindsey's recovery goes just as well, also.

I am glad to hear this about Dolenz. I was wondering if Lindsey made a full recovery, if he could still get insurance needed to tour. I guess he can. His vocal chords are another matter. Will power won’t help them. We have mocked his speeches before, but what I wouldn’t give to hear him drone on about cycles now. As for his singing voice, I have had complaints about his whisper croaking for a long time now. So, I will take that with gratitude.

[button-lip]

I don't doubt the sincerity of their statement. Deciding not to tour with him is not the same thing as wishing sickness or death on him.

They didn’t give him a reason on why they didn’t want to tour with him, did they? Hell, they didn’t even meet with him to tell him he was fired, so yeah, I totally doubt of the sincerity of this copy and paste cold message.

[bombaysaffires]

Besides hoping for a full recovery as soon as possible, I hope the trauma to his vocal chords is just temporary. I also can't help but wonder what might have happened if he had toured with FM. All that stress... It might have just saved his life to have been doing the things he's done on his own terms (somewhat) this year. Brightest blessings to all.

Same here. I thought about him having a heart attack onstage or something.... christ. Glad he's at home and progressing well.

[bombaysaffires]

Based on the bandage and bruising, looks like he had to have a Tracheotomy. Quite possible he wasn't breathing at some point. God Bless Lindsey 🙏 😇 ❤️

I did notice all the bruising...:eek:

[jmn3]

They didn’t give him a reason on why they didn’t want to tour with him, did they? Hell, they didn’t even meet with him to tell him he was fired, so yeah, I totally doubt of the sincerity of this copy and paste cold message.

No but we do know Stevie does intend to dance around her apartment for 10 years. Lindsey was a clear and present danger to achieving that. This message is about as sincere as the "thoughts and prayers" crap that gets put out by every politician when anything happens.

[cbBen]

My post on this thread (the last post, also copied below) immediately came to mind: http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=58483

Thank god he has Kristen.


2018 - taking a stock for LB & LB fans

2018 taught me to appreciate Lindsey more. His firing forced me to take a closer look at his skill set, and I came away an even bigger fan than before.

I had not listened to Lindsey Buckingham Christine McVie, Seeds We Sow, Songs From The Small Machine, or One Man Show. With the exception of the 50% of OMS that is unavailable, I am now familiar with all of these. I also listened for the first time to the bootleg GOS material (thanks to you kind folks who referred me to it after I bumped up an 18-year-old thread). What a treat "Singer, Not The Song" is.

I even checked out the Walter Egan records he produced.

I now find myself a much more educated and appreciative Lindsey Buckingham fan.

Thanks, Fleetwood Mac, for making that happen.

[jwd]

Such a shock to read this. I sure hope he recovers fully. He looked/sounded so great on Nov 30 when I saw his show in PA. Thank goodness he sought medical care and seems to be on the mend.

I had tickets to see Mike Nesmith and Micky Dolenz in June of 2018, and the show was cancelled last minute because Mike had to have emergency heart surgery, also. I bring it up because Mike is back on the road and looking/sounding great, and says he's feeling so much better than the weeks before the problem was found, so we can only hope Lindsey's recovery goes just as well, also.


I'll second that sentiment. Let's be positive and hope and pray for the best.

Get well Linds.

[michelej1]

My post on this thread (the last post, also copied below) immediately came to mind: http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=58483

Thank god he has Kristen.


2018 - taking a stock for LB & LB fans

2018 taught me to appreciate Lindsey more. His firing forced me to take a closer look at his skill set, and I came away an even bigger fan than before.

I had not listened to Lindsey Buckingham Christine McVie, Seeds We Sow, Songs From The Small Machine, or One Man Show. With the exception of the 50% of OMS that is unavailable, I am now familiar with all of these. I also listened for the first time to the bootleg GOS material (thanks to you kind folks who referred me to it after I bumped up an 18-year-old thread). What a treat "Singer, Not The Song" is.

I even checked out the Walter Egan records he produced.

I now find myself a much more educated and appreciative Lindsey Buckingham fan.

Thanks, Fleetwood Mac, for making that happen.

And check out his work with John Stewart if you have not already.

[vivfox]

Sending my Love and kind thoughts for a quick and healthy healing process for our precious Lindsey and his loving, supportive family.:angel:

[sodascouts]

THANK GOD he's recovering. Praying for Lindsey's healing, and his vocal chords as well. While his life is most important of course, it would be a great loss if he were unable to sing again.

[secondhandchain]

You are the biggest loser on this site and that's saying something.

Nick do you have any idea what a broken heart and stress can do to a person? I am putting SOME of the blame right at the witch's feet.

[Lola]

"We have mocked his speeches before, but what I wouldn’t give to hear him drone on about cycles now. As for his singing voice, I have had complaints about his whisper croaking for a long time now. So, I will take that with gratitude"[/QUOTE]
Beautiful statement. So grateful we have his wife to speak for him at the moment. Praying for a complete recovery.

[Lola]

THANK GOD he's recovering. Praying for Lindsey's healing, and his vocal chords as well. While his life is most important of course, it would be a great loss if he were unable to sing again.

Thinking the same thing. He'll still have his magic hands but the combination of his playing and singing is truly special. Lifting Lindsey and his family up in prayer.

[AliceLover]

This is weighing on me so heavily. How incredible it is to have a person ice only ever met once to have such an impact on my life.

I pray that he gets well, his health and family are most important.

I will say, for open heart surgery, he doesn’t look too bad!

[cbBen]

Richard Dashut: https://www.facebook.com/dickdash?fref=search&__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARD1I_Iepn7VWmKwUz66-hpQjLa1aBcxmcn81ATv2nGtQzQhXxrosYSwzhe-30ZAI6eDHgdjgv4ixP3H

[studyinscarlet]

God bless, and get well soon, Lindsey. :xoxo:

[fleetwoodguy79]

At worst, we will finally get to hear his side of the story with a book.

[sleepless child]

So sorry to hear about Lindsey. What a year this man and his family have had. So glad he is recovering. I pray his voice returns.

I hope Stevie and Mick take some time to think about this past year also and maybe reach out to Lindsey. Stevie has a lot to thank Lindsey for in her life and career. We'll see.

[elle]

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[cbBen]

At worst, we will finally get to hear his side of the story with a book.

If god forbid he can't sing and perform as he could, I'd love to see him transition to producing other artists.

[Aussie W/Heart]

Thank goodness Lindsey survived this awful health scare. Hoping for a speedy full recovery :angel:

[AncientQueen]

I'm not sure if he will even want to stay active as a musician. Such an experience will change your focus. While I really hope that he will fully recover, I'm not even sure if that is possible. He is not a young man - we forget that, because he is so enthusiastic on stage and so full of energy. My Dad was 68, (a non-smoker who did sport and according to his doctor was in great health) when he had his heart attack, he had open heart surgery as well and he recovered. He was a bit more careful with stress after that, but went on doing what he always did, only to have a devastating stroke that left him paralyzed and without any ability to speak or understand language. He lived for 8 more years, we'll never know how much he suffered, he couldn't tell us. I don't wish that on anyone. So - I would like Lindsey to slow down considerable, enjoying a life outside the demands of the music industry.

What really follows me is that Lindsey likely would be dead if he would have been on tour with FM. Collapsed in a hotel room in Denver or Houston, with noone around him.

Maybe being at home just saved his life.

[Jondalar]

I'm not sure if he will even want to stay active as a musician. Such an experience will change your focus. While I really hope that he will fully recover, I'm not even sure if that is possible. He is not a young man - we forget that, because he is so enthusiastic on stage and so full of energy. My Dad was 68, (a non-smoker who did sport and according to his doctor was in great health) when he had his heart attack, he had open heart surgery as well and he recovered. He was a bit more careful with stress after that, but went on doing what he always did, only to have a devastating stroke that left him paralyzed and without any ability to speak or understand language. He lived for 8 more years, we'll never know how much he suffered, he couldn't tell us. I don't wish that on anyone. So - I would like Lindsey to slow down considerable, enjoying a life outside the demands of the music industry.

What really follows me is that Lindsey likely would be dead if he would have been on tour with FM. Collapsed in a hotel room in Denver or Houston, with noone around him.

Maybe being at home just saved his life.

Maybe not. Maybe getting kicked out of a band for smirking and going through a lawsuit was sooo stressful that it hurt his heart. Or maybe the old witch put a death spell on him.

[snroxman]

I think we are all very fortunate that he made it through. Not being in the big machine right now is probably a good thing. Who needs a long tour? I'm looking forward to whatever he decides to do next - whether it's touring, production, or even something online. Go Lindsey!

[luminol]

I'm not sure if he will even want to stay active as a musician. Such an experience will change your focus. While I really hope that he will fully recover, I'm not even sure if that is possible. He is not a young man - we forget that, because he is so enthusiastic on stage and so full of energy. My Dad was 68, (a non-smoker who did sport and according to his doctor was in great health) when he had his heart attack, he had open heart surgery as well and he recovered. He was a bit more careful with stress after that, but went on doing what he always did, only to have a devastating stroke that left him paralyzed and without any ability to speak or understand language. He lived for 8 more years, we'll never know how much he suffered, he couldn't tell us. I don't wish that on anyone. So - I would like Lindsey to slow down considerable, enjoying a life outside the demands of the music industry.

What really follows me is that Lindsey likely would be dead if he would have been on tour with FM. Collapsed in a hotel room in Denver or Houston, with noone around him.

Maybe being at home just saved his life.

I'm sorry to hear what your father (and you and family) went through.

I also hope that Lindsey is able to slow down and enjoy the precious gift of life with his beautiful family. Music is an incredible gift, but life? As Tyrion Lannister said in the first season of GoT, "Death is so final. Whereas life? Life is so full of possibilities." I'm so grateful he is still here.

Such a scary thought to think of this happening on the FM tour. I do agree the stress of the last year contributed (how could it not?) but the thought of him being alone in a hotel room with no family around is too terrible to ponder for long. Thank God he was home with family to help and care and love him.

[cbBen]

Failing all else, Lindsey could take to his natural habitat and produce other artists.

As for all this conjecture: Since we can only speculate about what would have happened in either scenario, let's be thankful Lindsey found himself in the one where we know he survived.

[bombaysaffires]

I kinda like the idea of him taking time to reflect and write a book. I never really saw him as the type, but after watching him and hearing him speak over the last year or so, I think he just could.

[lovethemac1]

Maybe not. Maybe getting kicked out of a band for smirking and going through a lawsuit was sooo stressful that it hurt his heart. Or maybe the old witch put a death spell on him.

I agree, maybe the firing was just too much.
Your last comment is hilarious. First time I’ve felt like smiling since hearing about this horrible thing happening to Lindsey.

[elle]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We can't thank you enough for love and support during this time XO❤️ <a href="https://t.co/wgJxDHDlo9">pic.twitter.com/wgJxDHDlo9</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1093969115859935233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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all the articles are basically just quoting KB's message and adding different titles, but maybe worth posting some. here is the RS one that was among the first anyway -

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lindsay-buckingham-heart-surgery-fleetwood-mac-792212/?fbclid=IwAR2xxE6zM0sPZ_OWhceBPwFU6fWTz6XZNukkL0gpNWnkzad8PJfQsGarTJw

Lindsey Buckingham Suffers Vocal Cord Damage From Emergency Surgery
Former Fleetwood Mac guitarist recuperating at home after open heart surgery

By ANDY GREENE


Lindsey Buckingham performs at The Wilbur Theatre, in BostonLindsey Buckingham in Concert - , Boston, USA - 05 Dec 2018

Winslow Townson/Invision/AP/REX/Shutterstock

Former Fleetwood Mac guitarist Lindsey Buckingham underwent emergency open heart surgery last week and is now recuperating at his home. “Each day he is stronger than the last,” his wife Kristen Buckingham wrote in a statement. “While he and his heart are doing well, the surgery resulted in vocal cord damage. While it is unclear if the damage is permanent, we are hopeful it is not.”

Buckingham was forced out of Fleetwood Mac last year when Stevie Nicks made it clear to the rest of the band that she could no longer work with him. “After 43 years and the finish line so clearly in sight, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that for the five of us to splinter part would be the wrong thing,” Buckingham wrote in an e-mail to group co-founder leader Mick Fleetwood after learning the news. “At the moment, the band’s heart and soul has been diminished. But out center, which has seen us through so much, is only laying dormant.”

The appeal didn’t work and the band brought on Neil Finn of Crowded House and Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers to replace him. Buckingham sued the band over the termination, though they settled out of court. The guitarist spent the last few months playing solo gigs to promote his new three-disc set Solo Anthology: The Best of Lindsey Buckingham.

“This past year has been a very stressful and difficult year for our family to say the least,” Kristen Buckingham wrote. “But despite all of this, our gratitude for life trumps all obstacles we have faced at this moment. We feel so fortunate that he’s alive. As does he. He looks forward to recovery and putting this behind him. Needless to say, all touring and shows currently schedule have been put on pause for the moment as he gathers the strength to heal completely.”

Read the complete statement from Kristen Buckingham below:

[fleetwoodguy79]

Maybe not. Maybe getting kicked out of a band for smirking and going through a lawsuit was sooo stressful that it hurt his heart. Or maybe the old witch put a death spell on him.

Except for the “death spell”, that’s exactly what came to my mind, too.

The hurt and pain on his face has been very clear over this past year. No one will ever know for sure, but with a lifelong career with your band ending like it did — that had to have had a massive physical impact on his body.

[button-lip]

Except for the “death spell”, that’s exactly what came to my mind, too.

The hurt and pain on his face has been very clear over this past year. No one will ever know for sure, but with a lifelong career with your band ending like it did — that had to have had a massive physical impact on his body.

And of course all these people that have known him for the past 50+ years were aware of his family history, and YET they threw him away like an old dog without a logical explanation.

[StreetAngel86]

Maybe not. Maybe getting kicked out of a band for smirking and going through a lawsuit was sooo stressful that it hurt his heart. Or maybe the old witch put a death spell on him.

wouldn't put it past her
BUT

that is pretty evil
and if she did anything remotely like that she deserves to die in an horrific plane crash or something similiar

but totally agree if he was on tour with the "band" he would probably be dead in a hotel. and that is truly a depressing thought. :shocked:

[Nick]

wouldn't put it past her
BUT

that is pretty evil
and if she did anything remotely like that she deserves to die in an horrific plane crash or something similiar

but totally agree if he was on tour with the "band" he would probably be dead in a hotel. and that is truly a depressing thought. :shocked:

How stupid are you people? Even if she wanted LB out of the band, she already got her wish. Why would she want him to have a near death health issue? Your parents raised some f*cked up "kids". Sad thing is you're all 50-60. Just pathetic and embarrassing.

[elle]

How stupid are you people? Even if she wanted LB out of the band, she already got her wish. Why would she want him to have a near death health issue? Your parents raised some f*cked up "kids". Sad thing is you're all 50-60. Just pathetic and embarrassing.

nobody thinks that seriously. please go away from LB forum with your judgmental bs.

[Nick]

nobody thinks that seriously. please go away from LB forum with your judgmental bs.

Oh, they're all joking? FOH.

[Street_Dreamer]

FOH.

Please go away.

[Fannymac]

nobody thinks that seriously. please go away from LB forum with your judgmental bs.

Sorry, but I have to agree with Nick on this one....some of these comments are pathetic, and just down right sick!

[Jondalar]

How stupid are you people? Even if she wanted LB out of the band, she already got her wish. Why would she want him to have a near death health issue? Your parents raised some f*cked up "kids". Sad thing is you're all 50-60. Just pathetic and embarrassing.

Me wonders if darling Nicky is related to someone... Nicky...

[button-lip]

Sorry, but I have to agree with Nick on this one....some of these comments are pathetic, and just down right sick!

He can support Stevie all he wants in the Stevie forum.

[secret love]

nobody thinks that seriously. please go away from LB forum with your judgmental bs.
Ha, judgemental BS about Stevie Nicks is all the rage here. She's a "witch", casting "death spell", she wants Lindsey dead, she's dancing on stage during a concert (how bizarre) because she's happy his heart failed?

Judgemental BS. Your own words.

[secret love]

He can support Stevie all he wants in the Stevie forum.
Nothing he said was really supporting Stevie over Lindsey. He was just bringing some common sense to this thread.

[elle]

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[elle]

https://apnews.com/5d803a9e7756433fad074c4fb8d1d145

Former Fleetwood Mac guitarist undergoes open heart surgery
yesterday

In this Wednesday, Dec. 5, 2018 file photo, Lindsey Buckingham performs at The Wilbur Theatre on in Boston.

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lindsey Buckingham underwent open heart surgery that left the former Fleetwood Mac guitarist with damaged vocal cords.

Buckingham’s publicist said in a statement Friday that he experienced chest pains last week and was taken to the hospital where he had the life-saving procedure. Buckingham is recovering at home with his family.

The 69-year-old rocker’s wife, Kristen Buckingham, said on social media that it’s unclear if the damage after the surgery is permanent. She says the past year has been stressful, but she is thankful her husband is still alive.


Last year, Buckingham sued Fleetwood Mac after being kicked off the band’s new tour.

[elle]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fleetwood-mac-lindsey-buckingham-vocal-cord_us_5c5f6c83e4b0f9e1b17dcdcc?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

Ex-Fleetwood Mac Guitarist Lindsey Buckingham Suffers Vocal Cord Damage
The 69-year-old is currently recuperating after undergoing emergency open heart surgery last week.

By David Barden

Former Fleetwood Mac guitarist Lindsey Buckingham has suffered vocal cord damage after undergoing emergency open heart surgery last week.

Buckingham’s wife, Kristen, said that while the rock legend “and his heart are doing well,” it remains unclear whether or not the damage to his vocal cords is permanent, though she is “hopeful it is not.”

“Needless to say, all touring and shows currently scheduled have been put on pause for the moment as he gathers the strength to heal completely,” she wrote in an Instagram post Friday.


The 69-year-old, who helped propel Fleetwood Mac to international fame by writing and singing such notable hits as “Go Your Own Way” and “Tusk”, was kicked off the band’s world tour last year without any formal explanation.

In October, Buckingham announced he was suing his former bandmates for his dismissal, claiming that he should still be entitled to his share of tour revenues because he still wants to be in the group.

“This past year has been a very stressful and difficult year for our family to say the least,” Kristen Buckingham said. “But despite all this, our gratitude for life trumps all obstacles we have faced at this moment. We feel so fortunate he’s alive. As does he. He looks forward to recovery and putting this behind him.”


David Barden
Editor, HuffPost Australia

[button-lip]

Ha, judgemental BS about Stevie Nicks is all the rage here. She's a "witch", casting "death spell", she wants Lindsey dead, she's dancing on stage during a concert (how bizarre) because she's happy his heart failed?

Judgemental BS. Your own words.

If you don't like it, go back to Stevieland. No one is forcing you to stay here.

Nothing he said was really supporting Stevie over Lindsey. He was just bringing some common sense to this thread.

This thread is about Lindsey, no Stevie. So, please, go away to Stevieland to live happily ever after.

[elle]

https://pitchfork.com/news/lindsey-buckingham-recovering-from-open-heart-surgery/
Lindsey Buckingham Recovering From Open Heart Surgery

His wife Kristen Buckingham wrote to fans that he underwent an operation last week that “resulted in vocal cord damage”

Lindsey Buckingham (Photo by Kevin Mazur/Getty Images for NARAS)

Lindsey Buckingham is recovering from open heart surgery after an operation last week, as confirmed by his wife, interior designer Kristen Buckingham. “While he and his heart are doing well,” she writes, “the surgery resulted in vocal cord damage. While it is unclear if this damage is permanent, we are hopeful it is not.” She adds that Buckingham’s tour behind last year’s Solo Anthology - The Best of Lindsey Buckingham has been “put on pause for the moment as he gathers the strength to heal completely.” Below, read the full note, along with a statement from Buckingham’s representatives.

Kristen Buckingham
@KBChrush
We can't thank you enough for love and support during this time XO❤️

Late last week Lindsey Buckingham experienced severe chest pains and was taken to the hospital where he subsequently underwent emergency open heart surgery. It’s with great relief and thankful hearts that we report the surgery was successful in its purpose. Unfortunately, the life-saving procedure caused vocal cord damage, the permanency of which is unclear. Lindsey is slowly recovering at home with the support of his wife and children. ᐧ

[StreetAngel86]

How stupid are you people? Your parents raised some f*cked up "kids". Sad thing is you're all 50-60. Just pathetic and embarrassing.

How stupid are you to keep posting in a forum where no-one gives an actual $#!t about your commentary? And where you keep coming to stir up trouble?

pretty sure there aren't that many people on this forum that old :rolleyes: and if there is, well they have a very young vibe :thumbsup:

[moon]

What's going on, people!! Not enough with all he had last year with FM, now this!!
Hopefully, he's recovering right and is with Kristen and his family.
But I'm still worried about Lindsey's health, now more that we know that the surgery left a vocal cord damage. I only want to see him really good!!
Get well soon Lindsey, please!!

[paleshadow]

Wishing him a speedy recovery. Wise words from Kristen to encourage people to keep on top of check ups, especially with family history.

[jeets2000]

https://apnews.com/5d803a9e7756433fad074c4fb8d1d145

Former Fleetwood Mac guitarist undergoes open heart surgery
yesterday

In this Wednesday, Dec. 5, 2018 file photo, Lindsey Buckingham performs at The Wilbur Theatre on in Boston.

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Lindsey Buckingham underwent open heart surgery that left the former Fleetwood Mac guitarist with damaged vocal cords.

Buckingham’s publicist said in a statement Friday that he experienced chest pains last week and was taken to the hospital where he had the life-saving procedure. Buckingham is recovering at home with his family.

The 69-year-old rocker’s wife, Kristen Buckingham, said on social media that it’s unclear if the damage after the surgery is permanent. She says the past year has been stressful, but she is thankful her husband is still alive.


Last year, Buckingham sued Fleetwood Mac after being kicked off the band’s new tour.

First I'm seeing this detail... So he felt the pain/maybe recognized the signs and went to get checked out. (Although "was taken" can mean a few different things). Anyway, thank goodness they caught it in time. Thanks for posting these, Elle.

[lilyfee]

First I'm seeing this detail... So he felt the pain/maybe recognized the signs and went to get checked out. (Although "was taken" can mean a few different things). Anyway, thank goodness they caught it in time. Thanks for posting these, Elle.

Same! I keep scouring the internet for more info and I am glad that it appears he/they recognized the signs and reacted correctly. Too many people pass it off and do nothing!

[sodascouts]

First I'm seeing this detail... So he felt the pain/maybe recognized the signs and went to get checked out. (Although "was taken" can mean a few different things). Anyway, thank goodness they caught it in time. Thanks for posting these, Elle.

I hadn't seen that before either. I want to know - was he taken to the hospital in a car by his family after feeling some pain? Or in an ambulance after a severe episode? I guess I just want to be reassured that it wasn't as bad as I initially envisioned (although bad enough).

[michelej1]

My guess is that Beautiful Child was correct about the tracheotomy. His face also looks swollen. They probably had to assault him a bit to perform revival efforts and bring him back around.

The paramedics would not be the first to want to beat him up. Thanks for saving his life.

[Street_Dreamer]

https://i.ibb.co/0mXSH2n/Untitled.png

[HomerMcvie]

My guess is that Beautiful Child was correct about the tracheotomy. His face also looks swollen. They probably had to assault him a bit to perform revival efforts and bring him back around.

The paramedics would not be the first want to beat him up. Thanks for saving his life.

Exactly. Even if he never performs again, thank god they saved his life.

[michelej1]

Ummm, Billy’s post just makes me tear up. What a kind gesture.

How could I have been so wrong about people for all of this time? I thought they were brothers and sisters.

[button-lip]

Ummm, Billy’s post just makes me tear up. What a kind gesture.

How could I have been so wrong about people for all of this time? I thought they were brothers and sisters.

That's the worst part. People I thought were never gonna say anything about Lindsey are really surprising me.

I gave Stevie and Christine their last chance last night. Not that they care, of course. I was only doing it because that's what Lindsey wants to feel happy again. Not anymore.

[michelej1]

Maybe they DID reach out to him privately. Christine probably sent him an email and this would be an opportune time for Stevie to ring him up, because he can’t talk back.

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe they DID reach out to him privately. Christine probably sent him an email and this would be an opportune time for Stevie to ring him up, because he can’t talk back.

I agree on the former, and the latter just made me laugh aloud!

[michelej1]

I just think of what a psycho I have been, how easily touched, how quick I was to think I saw caring. Remember when none of them thought Lindsey would perform because of his back? And then he did and as Stevie went off the stage she said “Lindsey is one strong man” and Christine took the guitar from his hands as if she wanted to lighten his load.

[michelej1]

I agree on the former, and the latter just made me laugh aloud!

But to be honest, I wasn’t without sarcasm when I mentioned Christine sending an email. I mean, she probably did, but ...

[HomerMcvie]

But to be honest, I wasn’t without sarcasm when I mentioned Christine sending an email. I mean, she probably did, but ...

While I would never defend their behavior....people go to a concert to have a good time. IF he had quit the group, I can see them mentioning his heart attack. HOWEVER, given that that nasty old goat fired him, them mentioning it brings up the true ugliness, that is $tevie Nick$' heart. It would broach the subject they're desperately trying to hide.

It was kind of a no win situation. But still, they're scum, regardless.

[jeets2000]

Maybe they DID reach out to him privately. Christine probably sent him an email and this would be an opportune time for Stevie to ring him up, because he can’t talk back.

I say this fully aware that it's not really a fair thing to say, but I woke up this morning to a video in my Instagram feed of Stevie doing the "crack head dance" in Austin the previous night. I know they have tour dates scheduled and obligations to fulfill, which is why what I'm about to say is not fair, but man... it really disgusted me. They of course have to keep performing and I saw on Facebook that Neil and Mick made mention of Lindsey at different points in the show, but there was just something about her gyrating and whatnot that really bugged me. Maybe it's the fact that she's talked about that as if it's some sort of gift she's giving the audience... "I do it every night, and it breaks my back..." Oy.

I'm not saying any of this to throw another log on the anti-Stevie pyre... there's enough of that already. But as a longtime fan of this band and the people in it, I never thought I'd come to feel the way I do about them.

[lovethemac1]

I say this fully aware that it's not really a fair thing to say, but I woke up this morning to a video in my Instagram feed of Stevie doing the "crack head dance" in Austin the previous night. I know they have tour dates scheduled and obligations to fulfill, which is why what I'm about to say is not fair, but man... it really disgusted me. They of course have to keep performing and I saw on Facebook that Neil and Mick made mention of Lindsey at different points in the show, but there was just something about her gyrating and whatnot that really bugged me. Maybe it's the fact that she's talked about that as if it's some sort of gift she's giving the audience... "I do it every night, and it breaks my back..." Oy.

I'm not saying any of this to throw another log on the anti-Stevie pyre... there's enough of that already. But as a longtime fan of this band and the people in it, I never thought I'd come to feel the way I do about them.

I feel the same way, it's like a mourning process over the people you thought a certain way about, and then they completely blindside you. Pure disappointment.

It's akin to having a really good friend do something horrible that you never thought in a million years they would do. And you are so shocked and disappointed and mortified and angry, that you feel so let down.

They may be human, and have faults, and I don't really know them, but common decency was one thing I thought they did have, and that seems to be not the case. And it seems to be "not the case" over and over and over, with no end in sight.

[secondhandchain]

While I would never defend their behavior....people go to a concert to have a good time. IF he had quit the group, I can see them mentioning his heart attack. HOWEVER, given that that nasty old goat fired him, them mentioning it brings up the true ugliness, that is $tevie Nick$' heart. It would broach the subject they're desperately trying to hide.

It was kind of a no win situation. But still, they're scum, regardless.

Seriously, she does have an ugly heart. She was in her glory last night in Austin. You could see it on her plastic face.

[button-lip]

I say this fully aware that it's not really a fair thing to say, but I woke up this morning to a video in my Instagram feed of Stevie doing the "crack head dance" in Austin the previous night. I know they have tour dates scheduled and obligations to fulfill, which is why what I'm about to say is not fair, but man... it really disgusted me. They of course have to keep performing and I saw on Facebook that Neil and Mick made mention of Lindsey at different points in the show, but there was just something about her gyrating and whatnot that really bugged me. Maybe it's the fact that she's talked about that as if it's some sort of gift she's giving the audience... "I do it every night, and it breaks my back..." Oy.

I'm not saying any of this to throw another log on the anti-Stevie pyre... there's enough of that already. But as a longtime fan of this band and the people in it, I never thought I'd come to feel the way I do about them.


I noticed the same thing, and that's probably what goes on at every concert but yesterday night it was the first time I had the stomach to watch some songs, many of them from Stevie. It was a disturbing thing. :distress::distress:

She stated so many times that if one of them were on their death bed the other one would be the first one to be at their side. Hard to believe it now…

[elle]

What really follows me is that Lindsey likely would be dead if he would have been on tour with FM.

it could have happened 5 years ago or 5 years from now. it happened NOW for a reason. after a long highly stressful year. if he was now on tour with FM, like he was in 2013, or 2014 or 2015, he'd have his normal daily routine and probably be just fine, and this would maybe happen few years from now. or not.

we can never know. but we cannot pretend timing has nothing to do with what he went through last year. this happened exactly almost to the day a year since his ouster.

[justdreamin]

My guess is that Beautiful Child was correct about the tracheotomy. His face also looks swollen. They probably had to assault him a bit to perform revival efforts...

I can't think of a situation where they'd do a trach unless they were unable to place the ET tube. The bandage looks more like he either had a central line (that's a common place for insertion) or possibly a carotid endarterectomy or stent. Most people who are bad off enough for open heart also have carotid occlusion. Also a trach would not have damaged his vocal cords, unless whoever performed it was a total hack, but the ET tube very often causes cord inflammation and though rare, permanent damage from scarring.
As always, this is just my opinion as I actually have no idea what's under the bandage, but if you can't speculate here...

Speaking of speculating, why hasn't anyone brought up the possibility that the time Stevie spent with Chrissie Hynde influenced her decision to fire Lindsey?

[Jondalar]

Seriously, she does have an ugly heart. She was in her glory last night in Austin. You could see it on her plastic face.

I heard that too. You know she probably wants him dead.

[cbBen]

Speaking of speculating, why hasn't anyone brought up the possibility that the time Stevie spent with Chrissie Hynde influenced her decision to fire Lindsey?

What would point to that possibility?

[ammsunday]

Yes. I've wondered about Chrissie Hynde for a while now. Can't stop thinking that Stevie changed after that epic tour and their time together. I wonder if it's a ME TOO thing about Stevie and Lindsey's physical past.

[cbBen]

Yes. I've wondered about Chrissie Hynde for a while now. Can't stop thinking that Stevie changed after that epic tour and their time together. I wonder if it's a ME TOO thing about Stevie and Lindsey's physical past.

In what is such speculation rooted? Is Chrissie an outspoken "Me Too" activist or a public disparager of Lindsey Buckingham?

[justdreamin]

In what is such speculation rooted? Is Chrissie an outspoken "Me Too" activist or a public disparager of Lindsey Buckingham?

I don't think FM has ever even been on her radar according to what she's said, but she wears the crescent moon Stevie gave her, which honestly is odd to me because it wouldn't appear they'd have anything in common. But Chrissie is a badass, her favorite word is f-off, and she is the LEADER of her band - regardless of who's in it. She's had no problem making a record under the Pretenders name without any original band member besides herself - and good for her!! She's a woman who knows her own mind. I'm just kind of making up that she instilled some F-off badassery in Nick's. This is probably total bullshirt, but it's crossed my mind, between that and Tom dying. Who knows, but given LB's "transgression" the reaction was over the top, even for her. I can just imagine Chrissie saying "is it your band or not? If you don't like how it's going tell them to f-off! If you don't like Lindsey running the show, tell them it's him or you! Now F-off girl, you're starting to piss me off!"

[justdreamin]

Yes. I've wondered about Chrissie Hynde for a while now. Can't stop thinking that Stevie changed after that epic tour and their time together. I wonder if it's a ME TOO thing about Stevie and Lindsey's physical past.

Yeah, I have no idea about the Me TOO stuff, but I thought she changed some too and that was before Tom passed away. Who knows. A good conspiracy theory can actually make your brain happy.

[cbBen]

I don't think FM has ever even been on her radar according to what she's said, but she wears the crescent moon Stevie gave her, which honestly is odd to me because it wouldn't appear they'd have anything in common. But Chrissie is a badass, her favorite word is f-off, and she is the LEADER of her band - regardless of who's in it. She's had no problem making a record under the Pretenders name without any original band member besides herself - and good for her!! She's a woman who knows her own mind. I'm just kind of making up that she instilled some F-off badassery in Nick's. This is probably total bullshirt, but it's crossed my mind, between that and Tom dying. Who knows, but given LB's "transgression" the reaction was over the top, even for her. I can just imagine Chrissie saying "is it your band or not? If you don't like how it's going tell them to f-off! If you don't like Lindsey running the show, tell them it's him or you! Now F-off girl, you're starting to piss me off!"

All else aside, I think you greatly overestimate the degree to which these acts even speak with one another on the road. Plus, Stevie's not likely to have taken such life changing advice from a stranger.

I saw an interview with Chrissie (from before she and Nicks ever toured together) where she gently disparaged FM, saying that the music scene from which the Pretenders emerged was a reaction to music like FM that they didn't find particularly appealing (she specified FM).

[Feather Blade]

In what is such speculation rooted? Is Chrissie an outspoken "Me Too" activist or a public disparager of Lindsey Buckingham?

I don't know about any of that in terms of activism, but didn't she say somewhere (her book I believe?) that she had been gang raped or something?

[justdreamin]

All else aside, I think you greatly overestimate the degree to which these acts even speak with one another on the road. Plus, Stevie's not likely to have taken such life changing advice from a stranger.

I saw an interview with Chrissie (from before she and Nicks ever toured together) where she gently disparaged FM, saying that the music scene from which the Pretenders emerged was a reaction to music like FM that they didn't find particularly appealing (she specified FM).

Watch this interview https://youtu.be/NaWU2YisjFk
Also, like I mentioned, photos of Chrissie as recent as a month or so ago show her wearing the moon necklace.
Anyway, I think I made it pretty clear that I don't know.
Just a little conspiracy while we wait to hear how Lindsey is getting on.

[bombaysaffires]

I don't know about any of that in terms of activism, but didn't she say somewhere (her book I believe?) that she had been gang raped or something?

she was sexually assaulted by some guys in or around a biker gang she had fallen in with during her younger days. She caused quite a stir within the MeToo community by writing in her book that she blamed herself for the assault, saying she was stupid for having gotten involved with them in the first place. The MeToo movement pushed back on her saying if someone rapes you it's not your fault, it's THEIR fault for doing it.

[HomerMcvie]

she was sexually assaulted by some guys in or around a biker gang she had fallen in with during her younger days. She caused quite a stir within the MeToo community by writing in her book that she blamed herself for the assault, saying she was stupid for having gotten involved with them in the first place. The MeToo movement pushed back on her saying if someone rapes you it's not your fault, it's THEIR fault for doing it.
Right, but life is also about making good choices. If I choose to walk through the ghetto at night, it's hard to bitch if I got mugged.

[cbBen]

I'm not familiar with what Chrissie said, but one should never confuse advising risk management with assigning moral culpability.

[cbBen]

Watch this interview https://youtu.be/NaWU2YisjFk

Wow the interviewer entirely misses the distinction I make above, even after Chrissie explains she wasn't assigning blame.

Just a little conspiracy while we wait to hear how Lindsey is getting on.

That's allowed.

[bombaysaffires]

Right, but life is also about making good choices. If I choose to walk through the ghetto at night, it's hard to bitch if I got mugged.

I'm not arguing for or against her point. Just stating it.

[dreamsunwind]

What even is this thread...I’ll be the first to not argue that Stevie’s a diva, self absorbed, selfish etc but she’s not some lunatic that would be ‘happy’ someone she knew for 50 years, someone who has 3 children, has had a major surgery. She’s not a villain in a Disney movie.

[elle]

Anyway, I think I made it pretty clear that I don't know.
Just a little conspiracy while we wait to hear how Lindsey is getting on.

to add to tons of conspiracies going around right? ;)

frankly, this one belongs in threads about the firing, not about the possible heart attack and emergency open heart. maybe go on with it in those?

[HomerMcvie]

She’s not a villain in a Disney movie.

Even worse, $he's a villain in real life.

[sodascouts]

What even is this thread...I’ll be the first to not argue that Stevie’s a diva, self absorbed, selfish etc but she’s not some lunatic that would be ‘happy’ someone she knew for 50 years, someone who has 3 children, has had a major surgery. She’s not a villain in a Disney movie.

Agreed. That's taking it too far.

[elle]

What even is this thread...I’ll be the first to not argue that Stevie’s a diva, self absorbed, selfish etc but she’s not some lunatic that would be ‘happy’ someone she knew for 50 years, someone who has 3 children, has had a major surgery. She’s not a villain in a Disney movie.

i just looked through this thread real fast and can see one post that states in jest what you are saying above (or worse).

why throw the whole thread with 112 posts so far, a lot of anxious sharing of information and people's good wishes under the bus because of one or 2 outlier posts?

[lisarod]

What even is this thread...I’ll be the first to not argue that Stevie’s a diva, self absorbed, selfish etc but she’s not some lunatic that would be ‘happy’ someone she knew for 50 years, someone who has 3 children, has had a major surgery. She’s not a villain in a Disney movie.

I agree! She is selfish, narcissistic etc! But I don't think she's evil. She's a deeply flawed individual who let fame and fortune change her. I don't think she wishes him harm.

[elle]

She's a deeply flawed individual who let fame and fortune change her. I don't think she wishes him harm.

she demanded he be harmed. him or me.

apparently she and the whole band - and some other people - do not understand that stress and emotional harm will eventually result in outward physical harm too. they all threw him to the ground and continued kicking him the whole last year... expecting that the guy they know as highly sensitive and emotional, with a family history of heart disease, and who considers FM his life's work, will not be harmed by they continued kicking?

but they didn't mean any harm, no.

[elle]

I didn't notice
What I couldn't see
And what I couldn't see
I could never believe

Beautiful sister
Told a few lies
When it came to taking names
It was all compromise

Ooh that man he tried to stand
But he fell down to the ground
Layin' silent in the night
There was no sight or sound


There was hunger, hunger
So much hunger, hunger
So much hunger, hunger
Makes me wonder

Makes me wonder

[lisarod]

she demanded he be harmed. him or me.

apparently she and the whole band - and some other people - do not understand that stress and emotional harm will eventually result in outward physical harm too. they all threw him to the ground and continued kicking him the whole last year... expecting that the guy they know as highly sensitive and emotional, with a family history of heart disease, and who considers FM his life's work, will not be harmed by they continued kicking?

but they didn't mean any harm, no.

She was angry at something and reacted by issuing an ultimatum. I don't think she thought out the long term consequences. She was being selfish and thinking only of herself. I should have said I don't think she wishes him death. But that's just my opinion...

[elle]

She was angry at something and reacted by issuing an ultimatum. I don't think she thought out the long term consequences.

this makes it sound like it was a rash, spur of the moment, spontaneous thing. it was not. and if it were, others should have talked her off the cliff.

she wished him harm, revenge, whatever, and she - and Mick and the rest - behaved without much further thought. like he can take all of that and come out unscathed. i agree with you they didn't think it through. that doesn't excuse them for what they did though. just makes them self-absorbed or completely idiotic.

[michelej1]

And a hasty act can be undone once cooler heads prevail. The ouster didn’t occur in a New York minute. It took time and people could have changed their minds. There was room to do that.

[iamnotafraid]

For good or bad, Stevie's actions let us see them all
for who they really are.

My '97 Stevie/Lindsey Landslide t-shirt doesn't mean
the same anymore.

[justdreamin]

to add to tons of conspiracies going around right? ;)

frankly, this one belongs in threads about the firing, not about the possible heart attack and emergency open heart. maybe go on with it in those?

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have tacked the conspiracy on to my post about his surgery. Bad form. But like you said, there are a ton of conspiracies on here as well as speculation on why he had this event at this time.
Food for thought maybe; years ago I was pregnant with my 3rd baby and was also going to college (did everything backwards). I had a PE class called "fit for life" that was taught by a former marine. Super ripped, vegetarian (it was the early 80's) and he talked about how he lost both parents to heart disease and that's why he took such good care of himself. He'd berate me for the amount of weight I'd gained and make me walk the outside track with other "heavy people" while he trained the rest of the class inside the gym. About 3 weeks into the class, I was walking back to the gym after waddling around the track and out comes a student with blood all over his face, screaming for help. Apparently the teacher had suffered a fatal heart attack in the gym in front of the class and this kid tried to give him CPR, but because the guy fell forward, he broke his nose and was bleeding all over. I lived in California at the time and we all had to get counseling for it.
My point is that when you have heart disease in your family, more than likely you are a ticking time bomb. No one can say if stress played a part, or if it would have happened anyway. I'm just very happy he made it to the hospital in time.
If you have stuff that runs in your family, especially diseases that cause early death, go get checked out and be very thorough in what you tell the Doc (not all the people who ask a ton of questions before the Doc comes in.)
Sorry for the book.

[lisarod]

[QUOTE=elle;1248860]this makes it sound like it was a rash, spur of the moment, spontaneous thing. it was not. and if it were, others should have talked her off the cliff.

I had previously answered this post. Don't know where it went. Anyhow, it may have not been a rash decision but it was made from emotion. The others should have intervened and not given in to her. They're all to blame for this mess. Christine included! :mad:

[lisarod]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have tacked the conspiracy on to my post about his surgery. Bad form. But like you said, there are a ton of conspiracies on here as well as speculation on why he had this event at this time.
Food for thought maybe; years ago I was pregnant with my 3rd baby and was also going to college (did everything backwards). I had a PE class called "fit for life" that was taught by a former marine. Super ripped, vegetarian (it was the early 80's) and he talked about how he lost both parents to heart disease and that's why he took such good care of himself. He'd berate me for the amount of weight I'd gained and make me walk the outside track with other "heavy people" while he trained the rest of the class inside the gym. About 3 weeks into the class, I was walking back to the gym after waddling around the track and out comes a student with blood all over his face, screaming for help. Apparently the teacher had suffered a fatal heart attack in the gym in front of the class and this kid tried to give him CPR, but because the guy fell forward, he broke his nose and was bleeding all over. I lived in California at the time and we all had to get counseling for it.
My point is that when you have heart disease in your family, more than likely you are a ticking time bomb. No one can say if stress played a part, or if it would have happened anyway. I'm just very happy he made it to the hospital in time.
If you have stuff that runs in your family, especially diseases that cause early death, go get checked out and be very thorough in what you tell the Doc (not all the people who ask a ton of questions before the Doc comes in.)
Sorry for the book.

Heredity does seem to play a huge part! The former marine did everything he could to prevent an early death but still his clean living didn't prevent it. I'm currently grappling with high blood pressure issues. My dad died at 66 from a stroke. So I'm worried. I'm 55 and I've never taken care of myself. Looks like I'm going to have to start. My dr's appointment is set for Wednesday.

[justdreamin]

Heredity does seem to play a huge part! The former marine did everything he could to prevent an early death but still his clean living didn't prevent it. I'm currently grappling with high blood pressure issues. My dad died at 66 from a stroke. So I'm worried. I'm 55 and I've never taken care of myself. Looks like I'm going to have to start. My dr's appointment is set for Wednesday.

Best wishes for you at your appt! Some people live their whole lives with very high blood pressure and never have an issue. The body is amazing.

[lisarod]

Best wishes for you at your appt!

Thanks! :xoxo:

[michelej1]

What amuses me is the exchanges we’ve had over the years. Lindsey told Stevie she looked like a Vegas act taking her mic off the stand and that was the cruelest thing in the world and traumatized her to an extent she never takes the mic off the stand in this life or the next.

So to me, Lindsey comparing her to Sammy Davis, Jr. is nbd, But her fans say, “Oh, it’s the WAY he talked about her mic stand. He pushes her buttons. It’s DEVASTATING.”

Cut to her throwing him out of the band he has given his life to for 40 years, in the coldest, most calculating way possible and her fans are, “why should that have caused him stress???”

[elle]

What amuses me is the exchanges we’ve had over the years. Lindsey told Stevie she looked like a Vegas act taking her mic off the stand and that was the cruelest thing in the world and traumatized her to an extent she never takes the mic off the stand in this life or the next.

So to me, Lindsey omparing her tonSammy Davis, Jr. is nbd, But her fans say, “Oh, it’s the WAY he talked about her mic stand. He pushes her buttons. It’s DEVASTATING.”

Cut to her throwing him out of the band he has given his life to for 40 years in the coldest, most calculating way possible and her fans are, “why should that have caused him stress???”

right????

and stress?? since when does stress contribute to heart attacks? especially in people who are already predisposed? completely ridiculous! never heard of that. :rolleyes:

[sodascouts]

right????

and stress?? since when does stress contribute to heart attacks? especially in people who are already predisposed? completely ridiculous! never heard of that. :rolleyes:

Actually, we should be thanking her! Causing him that kind of intense emotional pain and stress undoubtedly saved his life as certainly doing what he loved would have killed him.

[Jondalar]

Actually, we should be thanking her! Causing him that kind of intense emotional pain and stress undoubtedly saved his life as certainly doing what he loved would have killed him.

Right - some of these people are retarded!!!!

[jeets2000]

Right - some of these people are retarded!!!!

Dude, it's 2019, can you please find a better way to express yourself? This is unacceptable.

[sodascouts]

Right - some of these people are retarded!!!!

I don't like the use of that term, but that's beside the point. I think that some of the people in question are aware that their arguments are fallacious, but they trot them out anyway.

That would not include those who sincerely hold this belief. At least they're not intellectually dishonest.

[michelej1]

It hurts my self esteem, it hurts my everything
I am reeling... oh, it hurts my feelings

[justdreamin]

I don't like the use of that term, but that's beside the point. I think that some of the people in question are aware that their arguments are fallacious, but they trot them out anyway.

That would not include those who sincerely hold this belief. At least they're not intellectually dishonest.

I don't know who you're talking about specifically, but to clarify my speculative position, I think he had tremendous stress over being fired, etc., but there's no way any of us can know if he would have had this happen anyway or not.

[button-lip]

I don't know who you're talking about specifically, but to clarify my speculative position, I think he had tremendous stress over being fired, etc., but there's no way any of us can know if he would have had this happen anyway or not.

Same way we will never know if this could have happened while touring with the band or not.

[bombaysaffires]

It hurts my self esteem, it hurts my everything
I am reeling... oh, it hurts my feelings

just how much he never really told her
about how difficult it had been to be without her

[elle]

Same way we will never know if this could have happened while touring with the band or not.

yup.

they can do another experiment to see what their putting out new music might do to him.

[singertobe]

I've been thinking though. Its possible that he's silently been suffering from heart problems for many years now and its just finally reached its peak.

[lovethemac1]

I've been thinking though. Its possible that he's silently been suffering from heart problems for many years now and its just finally reached its peak.

Maybe, but the man I saw perform in LA in Oct/18, he was really giving it....more than I could.

[elle]

I've been thinking though. Its possible that he's silently been suffering from heart problems for many years now and its just finally reached its peak.

no. it will reach the peak if fakewood records new music.

[singertobe]

Yeah, I have no idea about the Me TOO stuff, but I thought she changed some too and that was before Tom passed away. Who knows. A good conspiracy theory can actually make your brain happy.

Here's a conspiracy I've been thinking about for a while. What if the illuminati is real and THEY'RE the ones who are truly behind Lindsey's firing? Maybe rest of the band made up some fake reason behind him getting fired because the illuminati threatened to kill them all if they told him what was really happening? Ok, no more youtube for me today...

[elle]

Here's a conspiracy I've been thinking about for a while. What if the illuminati is real and THEY'RE the ones who are truly behind Lindsey's firing?

would you please go post this trash in SN forum if you have to post it someplace?

we really don't need it here.

thank you in advance!

[HomerMcvie]

would you please go post this trash in SN forum if you have to post it someplace?

we really don't need it here.

thank you in advance!

Agreed. If Old Goat Breath is your reason for living, you should probably stick to her forum, or that Present Band one.

[button-lip]

Agreed. If Old Goat Breath is your reason for living, you should probably stick to her forum, or that Present Band one.

If OGB is your reason for living you should probably need to visit a shrink.... and take OGB with you.

[lovethemac1]

So I had a friend who started being into illumanati crap. Long story short? he's in prison for chopping up his dog into a million pieces, because he thought the dog was an illumanati lizard. AND he chased after his roomate and stabbed his eye out. The guy luckily got away or he would be dead.
Second story: An ex coworker started writing about the illumanati on Instagram and how we were all in it. Guess where he is now? He lost EVERYTHING (including his wife and daughter) and is roaming the streets completely insane. He threatened to kill everyone at my company because he thought we were illumanti.

You better watch yourself because I have a feeling you are crazy AF.

Holy crap, that's very scary. I'm sorry you went through all that.

[singertobe]

If OGB is your reason for living you should probably need to visit a shrink.... and take OGB with you.

Stevie isn't the reason I'm saying that. Just kinda makes more sense since they were all getting on so well a few years ago:shrug:

[BombaySapphire3]

Stevie isn't the reason I'm saying that. Just kinda makes more sense since they were all getting on so well a few years ago:shrug:

Years.? these people's relationships have been so volatile for so many decades that things can go all bad in an instant. Which makes it even more mind boggling that Lindsey was fired for an alleged smirk..for fuk's sake these two have tried to kill each other before.

[jwd]

Years.? these people's relationships have been so volatile for so many decades that things can go all bad in an instant. Which makes it even more mind boggling that Lindsey was fired for an alleged smirk..for fuk's sake these two have tried to kill each other before.

Really!! I'd like to know what was the straw that finally broke the old goat's back?! How bad could it have been? Was it just a culmination of years and years of being around Lindsey that she had had enough? That her tolerance of Lindsey had reached a new low? But even then to just axe him with no formal explanation from the band face to face is just beyond comprehension!! WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!! And then to think they're raking in millions of dollars on a tour with a setlist including a majority of the songs that Lindsey helped craft is just gut wrenching to me! This is all just so sickening and wrong.

[cbBen]

Really!! I'd like to know what was the straw that finally broke the old goat's back?! How bad could it have been? Was it just a culmination of years and years of being around Lindsey that she had had enough? That her tolerance of Lindsey had reached a new low? But even then to just axe him with no formal explanation from the band face to face is just beyond comprehension!! WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!! And then to think they're raking in millions of dollars on a tour with a setlist including a majority of the songs that Lindsey helped craft is just gut wrenching to me! This is all just so sickening and wrong.

I agree they handled things quite badly, but truth be told we have no idea what Lindsey was like behind closed doors. We don't know what Stevie had been putting up with, and frankly it's none of our business.

So while I don't blame Stevie or the band for choosing to end things with Lindsey, I absolutely do take issue with them for carrying on as Fleetwood Mac without him. After 1997, the band had no business excluding any Rumours member willing and able to participate.

I'm just surprised that Lindsey wasn't a full partner immune from firing. I wonder whether he tried to negotiate for such an arrangement when he rejoined in 1997. He certainly should have.

Does anyone know who was managing him in 1997? (We know from the Destiny Rules documentary that Tony Dimitriades was managing him in 2002, but that's five years later.)

[singertobe]

Really!! I'd like to know what was the straw that finally broke the old goat's back?! How bad could it have been? Was it just a culmination of years and years of being around Lindsey that she had had enough? That her tolerance of Lindsey had reached a new low? But even then to just axe him with no formal explanation from the band face to face is just beyond comprehension!! WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!! And then to think they're raking in millions of dollars on a tour with a setlist including a majority of the songs that Lindsey helped craft is just gut wrenching to me! This is all just so sickening and wrong.

The only thing I can think of is if he got violent with her. But I doubt he's still like that after being a father for so long.

[lovethemac1]

The only thing I can think of is if he got violent with her. But I doubt he's still like that after being a father for so long.

Omg!!!! Hahahaha, this is the most ridiculous speculation ever. If he had done something like that, you can bet she would have had him arrested. Not given the band an ultimatum and had him fired and then LIED about why. And he would have known why he was being fired, not having to be informed my Azoff.

When they lied about the reasons for his firing, that’s when their whole story unraveled. If it was a legit reason, there would be no reason to lie.

And if you want to claim they lied to protect him because he did something awful, NOPE, they would have used that reason publicly to do it because Stevie would love to let everyone know how bad he was.

Face it Stevie-folks, your queen screwed up. I will admit it and I used to be a Stevie-folk. (Can you tell I’m not anymore??)

[elle]

When they lied about the reasons for his firing, that’s when their whole story unraveled. If it was a legit reason, there would be no reason to lie.

And if you want to claim they lied to protect him because he did something awful, NOPE, they would have used that reason publicly to do it because Stevie would love to let everyone know how bad he was.

Face it Stevie-folks, your queen screwed up. I will admit it and I used to be a Stevie-folk. (Can you tell I’m not anymore??)

yes, Stevie stans coming in here trying to throw out their bs theories to make their queen look good are in the wrong forum.

there are enough people kissing her a$$ all over - from their bought and paid for ridiculous show reviews to cast and crew of the current fakewood who need to bow to the boss if they want to keep their job. if she managed to get architect of the FM sound and the spark on their live stage fired, imagine what she can do to any of them.

[sleepless child]

I've thought about that at times also. Was Lindsey abusive to Stevie and that's why he was let go? But why even keep it secret? He has always been known as volatile. If it was verbal abuse, again, there is no reason to keep that secret. You go on TV and say Lindsey just became to verbally abusive to work with anymore.

The whole debacle just makes Stevie and Mick look bad.

[michelej1]

Stevie and Karen thought everything Lindsey did was abusive. “Lindsey has requested that we turn the music down ...” They thought that was abusive.

[jeets2000]

I'm just surprised that Lindsey wasn't a full partner immune from firing. I wonder whether he tried to negotiate for such an arrangement when he rejoined in 1997. He certainly should have.

Lindsey's lawsuit (https://www.scribd.com/document/390686837/Lindsey-Buckingham-Fleetwood-Mac-Complaint) against the band seems to indicate the legal infrastructure of the band was more or less an ad hoc document for each specific tour. At least that's my reading of it.

[David]

Years.? these people's relationships have been so volatile for so many decades that things can go all bad in an instant. Which makes it even more mind boggling that Lindsey was fired for an alleged smirk..for fuk's sake these two have tried to kill each other before.
Or they've been pretending to be volatile. Or they've been convinced by their own myth that they're volatile, and have only acted out on that.

Imagine in an alternative reality that the band's audience had invested more interest in the music and the instrumental and vocal craft of Fleetwood Mac than in the epic psychodrama. Would there have even been an epic psychodrama? The latter is like the Iliad; after fifty years, no one knows whether it started as true and degenerated, or whether it was originally written by a single visionary and then picked up by an oracular committee of fellow bandmembers and rock press, or whether the it is the only actual, verifiable truth about the band—all those other stories about them playing instruments in a cool way or singing in weirdly wondrous three-part harmony being just press agent fluff.

The shippers think they're hurt? How about those of us who thought the band's achievement was its music?

[cbBen]

The shippers think they're hurt? How about those of us who thought the band's achievement was its music?

100%.

It seems music always has to be sold with some story. It can't just be "Talented people get together to make great music."

[Nicks Fan]

The conspiracy theories are what kills me. Numerous people on social media claim they lied to protect his income and image etc. Please if he was abusive in any way towards anyone I highly doubt they would have let that pass. Christine wouldn't have taken that lightly. People need to wake up and realize she instigated this for no good reason. I know some of you don't want to admit the truth but as a long time SN Fan her actions this past year were pretty low.

If you have to lie on TV and then refuse to talk about it etc then you know what you have done. The band may be selling out but it doesn't take away what they did to him and what the have become ( a stale nostalgia act resting on the same 10- 15 songs with a handful of deep cuts vs making new music and being creative). Sadly they are all about the money.

[michelej1]

Or they've been pretending to be volatile. Or they've been convinced by their own myth that they're volatile, and have only acted out on that.

Imagine in an alternative reality that the band's audience had invested more interest in the music and the instrumental and vocal craft of Fleetwood Mac than in the epic psychodrama. Would there have even been an epic psychodrama? The latter is like the Iliad; after fifty years, no one knows whether it started as true and degenerated, or whether it was originally written by a single visionary and then picked up by an oracular committee of fellow bandmembers and rock press, or whether the it is the only actual, verifiable truth about the band—all those other stories about them playing instruments in a cool way or singing in weirdly wondrous three-part harmony being just press agent fluff.


Sooooo, about that lost city of Atlantis ...

[bwboy]

The conspiracy theories are what kills me. Numerous people on social media claim they lied to protect his income and image etc. Please if he was abusive in any way towards anyone I highly doubt they would have let that pass. Christine wouldn't have taken that lightly. People need to wake up and realize she instigated this for no good reason. I know some of you don't want to admit the truth but as a long time SN Fan her actions this past year were pretty low.

If you have to lie on TV and then refuse to talk about it etc then you know what you have done. The band may be selling out but it doesn't take away what they did to him and what the have become ( a stale nostalgia act resting on the same 10- 15 songs with a handful of deep cuts vs making new music and being creative). Sadly they are all about the money.

You say FM fired Lindsey for no good reason, but in their eyes, they obviously felt they had good reason to, otherwise they wouldn't have.

You say that after they fired Lindsey, FM became a stale nostalgia act. Isn't that what they've been for the most part since 1996? With the exception of the Say You Will tour, every tour since was just that, yet you say they only became a stale nostalgia act once Lindsey was fired. Lindsey may have wanted to record new music, but he was just as fine touring without it as the other members were, or he wouldn't have done it. And he did so, several times.

After hearing Say You Will and the EP, I would much rather hear deep cuts than new music. Deep cuts performed live is like performing new songs, only better, because they were recorded when the band were at their creative peak.

Yes, FM is all about the money. So is Lindsey- that's why he sued them for millions of dollars, because they cut him out of the tour. The same tour you say was a stale nostalgia act resting on the same 10-15 songs they always do. Lindsey wanted to be a part of that stale nostalgia act. I can't criticize anyone for wanting to make money, not Fleetwood Mac and not Lindsey.

[BigAl84]

Did you even read the lawsuit?

"You say FM fired Lindsey for no good reason, but in their eyes, they obviously felt they had good reason to, otherwise they wouldn't have."

LOL...right out of the gate you're jumping to giant conclusions with this statement and giving these people way more credit than they probably deserve.

It's been publicly stated that this was indeed at Stevie/Lindsey riff and Stevie put the ultimatum on the table.

Christine was left in the dark
John just went with the flow
Mick supported Stevie because....that's what those two do. I'm trying to be kind here.

[HomerMcvie]

Did you even read the lawsuit?

"You say FM fired Lindsey for no good reason, but in their eyes, they obviously felt they had good reason to, otherwise they wouldn't have."

LOL...right out of the gate you're jumping to giant conclusions with this statement and giving these people way more credit than they probably deserve.

It's been publicly stated that this was indeed at Stevie/Lindsey riff and Stevie put the ultimatum on the table.

Christine was left in the dark
John just went with the flow
Mick supported Stevie because....that's what those two do. I'm trying to be kind here.
Many $tevie worshipers will never see anything that discolors their crystal vision of her. They refuse. $he could cut their Mother's throat, and it would somehow be Mom's fault. "Mom, you shouldn't have talked back to $tevie!"

[button-lip]

I agree they handled things quite badly, but truth be told we have no idea what Lindsey was like behind closed doors. We don't know what Stevie had been putting up with, and frankly it's none of our business.


With that in mind, we also don't know how Stevie is behind closed doors. If you look past the gold dust cloud, you can see she's not exactly the person she's letting her fans believe she is.


Omg!!!! Hahahaha, this is the most ridiculous speculation ever. If he had done something like that, you can bet she would have had him arrested. Not given the band an ultimatum and had him fired and then LIED about why. And he would have known why he was being fired, not having to be informed my Azoff.

When they lied about the reasons for his firing, that’s when their whole story unraveled. If it was a legit reason, there would be no reason to lie.

And if you want to claim they lied to protect him because he did something awful, NOPE, they would have used that reason publicly to do it because Stevie would love to let everyone know how bad he was.

Face it Stevie-folks, your queen screwed up. I will admit it and I used to be a Stevie-folk. (Can you tell I’m not anymore??)

THIS! Stevie's fans are trying to come up with all kinds of ridiculous stories to avoid the truth. First, Lindsey didn't want to tour. Once HE cleared that up, they went on with the abusive card. But how can you defend that theory when you have been married and with children for the past 20 years and your family is supporting you at all times?
Now they're with the "we don't know what truly happened" card. :lol::lol:
Well, Stevie told us what happened. But she lied. Same with Mick. Because they had no excuse for what they did other than Stevie being jealous of BuckVie (the bond, not the money they made) and of his family.

And they're IN NO WAY protecting Lindsey because he did something bad. Please!!!!!!


The conspiracy theories are what kills me. Numerous people on social media claim they lied to protect his income and image etc. Please if he was abusive in any way towards anyone I highly doubt they would have let that pass. Christine wouldn't have taken that lightly. People need to wake up and realize she instigated this for no good reason. I know some of you don't want to admit the truth but as a long time SN Fan her actions this past year were pretty low.

If you have to lie on TV and then refuse to talk about it etc then you know what you have done. The band may be selling out but it doesn't take away what they did to him and what the have become ( a stale nostalgia act resting on the same 10- 15 songs with a handful of deep cuts vs making new music and being creative). Sadly they are all about the money.


Straight from the mouth of a longtime SN fan. I don't know what else they need. :shrug:

[button-lip]

You say FM fired Lindsey for no good reason, but in their eyes, they obviously felt they had good reason to, otherwise they wouldn't have.

Then why didn't they fire him in the traditional way?
Why did they deny he had been fired?
Why did they lie on national tv about the reasons? And why did that lie involved Lindsey?

[button-lip]

Many $tevie worshipers will never see anything that discolors their crystal vision of her. They refuse. $he could cut their Mother's throat, and it would somehow be Mom's fault. "Mom, you shouldn't have talked back to $tevie!"

That's how you act when you're part of a cult. :angel:

I'm sure many of them would do ANYTHING to get Stevie's approval. Too bad she doesn't even know who they are. They're just numbers on a sold out arena.

[elle]

You say FM fired Lindsey for no good reason, but in their eyes, they obviously felt they had good reason to, otherwise they wouldn't have.

:eek: while we are in the threat about Lindsey having a near-death emergency why not do yet another round of lather - rinse - repeat that was beaten to the ground last year, right? yes in their (Mick and Azoff) eyes there was a good green reason. :laugh:
#negativity

Yes, FM is all about the money. So is Lindsey- that's why he sued them for millions of dollars
yes. like when John couldn't do Australian tour because he needed cancer treatments, and Mick and Stevie were ready to toss him out right there - and Lindsey said no. it was about the money then too. shows how they are equal in that thinking. :rolleyes:

he sued them to get the truth out. the truth that so many apparently still don't want to see. it's easier to pretend these people are "angels" bringing the light and sounding oh so great. :shrug:

let's pretend that regurgitated pre-written pre-supplied reviews with exact same wording and talking points from date to date reflect the reality.

#refreshed
#re-energized
#renewed
better-than!ever
Stevie the queen of youth
Christine sounding oh so bad

[nicepace]

Imagine in an alternative reality that the band's audience had invested more interest in the music and the instrumental and vocal craft of Fleetwood Mac than in the epic psychodrama. Would there have even been an epic psychodrama? .... The shippers think they're hurt? How about those of us who thought the band's achievement was its music?

Bravo! I sometimes think I'm weird because my interest in this band stems from my love of their music, and not some voyeuristic obsession with the personal relationships within the band.

[BigAl84]

The biggest thing to come to terms with is essentially what a bunch of sh*theads they truly are at the end of the day. Lindsey, while may not have been a peach back in the day (along with all of the others)....he clearly is the only one that has any heart left in the game. I believe in the past couple of years he thought it was mutual, sadly he found out he was alone in his love for the other 4 members of that band.

[button-lip]

The biggest thing to come to terms with is essentially what a bunch of sh*theads they truly are at the end of the day. Lindsey, while may not have been a peach back in the day (along with all of the others)....he clearly is the only one that has any heart left in the game. I believe in the past couple of years he thought it was mutual, sadly he found out he was alone in his love for the other 4 members of that band.

And that's why he should stop trying to gain their love back. They're not worth it. Not at all. :wavey::wavey:

[michelej1]

Bravo! I sometimes think I'm weird because my interest in this band stems from my love of their music, and not some voyeuristic obsession with the personal relationships within the band.

The music is great and stands on its own. I still appreciate it independently, but it would not have resonated with me so deeply and so long if I did not imagine there was underlying emotion that gave both the words and the chords pathos in my mind.

When the Dance dvd came out I replayed it so often. Lindsey back with the band. At his mic singing looking at Stevie. Away from his mic playing, looking at Chris behind her piano, musicians in synch. On tour, sometimes when Mick introduced Lindsey, Lindsey would glide out of the wings into Mick’s embrace. That sort of thing made The Chain more anthem than song, more creed than anthem. To me, I guess music just means more, muddled with imagined feelings.

[michelej1]

And that's why he should stop trying to gain their love back.

And if you don’t love me now, you will never love me again.

[button-lip]

The music is great and stands on its own. I still appreciate it independently, but it would not have resonated with me so deeply and so long if I did not imagine there was underlying emotion that gave both the words and the chords pathos in my mind.

When the Dance dvd came out I replayed it so often. Lindsey back with the band. At his mic singing looking at Stevie. Away from his mic playing, looking at Chris behind her piano, musicians in synch. On tour, sometimes when Mick introduced Lindsey, Lindsey would glide out of the wings into Mick’s embrace. That sort of thing made The Chain more anthem than song, more creed than anthem. To me, I guess music just means more, muddled with imagined feelings.

Same here. I missed watching The Dance so much, but I'm not ready yet. :distress::distress:

The Chain is their anthem, no doubt. And they're now singing it without any worries in the world. They simply don't care.

And if you don’t love me now, you will never love me again.

I get you, but I don't want him hurt again. Especially by them. :distress::distress:

[HomerMcvie]

The music is great and stands on its own. I still appreciate it independently, but it would not have resonated with me so deeply and so long if I did not imagine there was underlying emotion that gave both the words and the chords pathos in my mind.

When the Dance dvd came out I replayed it so often. Lindsey back with the band. At his mic singing looking at Stevie. Away from his mic playing, looking at Chris behind her piano, musicians in synch. On tour, sometimes when Mick introduced Lindsey, Lindsey would glide out of the wings into Mick’s embrace. That sort of thing made The Chain more anthem than song, more creed than anthem. To me, I guess music just means more, muddled with imagined feelings.
When they came back in 1997, ALL of the FAKE loving/hand holding/etc...made me want to VOMIT.

I can't think of ANYTHING more disrespectful to Kristen, and I have no idea why she would have allowed it. Completely disrespectful.

[SteveMacD]

When they came back in 1997, ALL of the FAKE loving/hand holding/etc...made me want to VOMIT.

Ditto, especially when I saw the concert t-shirt with the kiss.

I can't think of ANYTHING more disrespectful to Kristen, and I have no idea why she would have allowed it.

Big bag of money.

[HomerMcvie]

Big bag of money.

Money or not, I'd never allow someone to treat me with such blatant disrespect. NEVER.

The most IDIOTIC part was the shipper fans lapping it up, when he was married with children. What kind of dolt could believe that dreck?

[michelej1]

In 1997 he wasn’t married with children yet.

[cbBen]

When they came back in 1997, ALL of the FAKE loving/hand holding/etc...made me want to VOMIT.

I can't think of ANYTHING more disrespectful to Kristen, and I have no idea why she would have allowed it. Completely disrespectful.

Nauseating indeed. It was an insult to the fans, to the truth, and to the sanctity of Lindsey's committed relationship (whether Kristen was okay with it or not). It was also an insult to the music, as it suggested they felt the music couldn't stand on its own and needed the support of a fictitious narrative.

[cbBen]

In 1997 he wasn’t married with children yet.

He was in a committed relationship. The quasi-romantic interplay with Stevie was absurd, to put it mildly.

[singertobe]

The biggest thing to come to terms with is essentially what a bunch of sh*theads they truly are at the end of the day. Lindsey, while may not have been a peach back in the day (along with all of the others)....he clearly is the only one that has any heart left in the game. I believe in the past couple of years he thought it was mutual, sadly he found out he was alone in his love for the other 4 members of that band.

I feel like I'm Looking Through You by the Beatles is the perfect song to describe Lindsey's current feelings for Stevie.

[SteveMacD]

In 1997 he wasn’t married with children yet.

He was in a committed relationship. The quasi-romantic interplay with Stevie was absurd, to put it mildly.

Kristen was pregnant during The Dance tour.

[michelej1]

He was in a committed relationship. The quasi-romantic interplay with Stevie was absurd, to put it mildly.

I don’t know what the status of his relationship was or how committed in those early days, just that Will was born the following year.

Besides, although people delighted in the small nuances and gestures, Lindsey and Stevie were not doing anything overt. It’s not as if he was thrusting his tongue down her throat every night.

When Christine first returned and they gave the initial interview with all five of them, I remember a point where Christine grabbed Lindsey‘s hand and kissed it. PDA among show biz people tends to be normal. In fact, for most of the Dance tour (until the last few shows), when they took the stage for their final bows, Lindsey and Christine would walk right into each other’s arms and kiss, which is something Stevie and Lindsay never did. But people never made a fuss about Lindsey and Christine because they didn’t have a romantic history.

[michelej1]

Kristen was pregnant during The Dance tour.

Oh, I know exactly when she was pregnant and when he was born and Stella was born during the SYW tour.

I believe it was Ken who said that the first pregnancy was a surprise and Lindsey was not ready to become a father at that time and it was not until the baby was born that he fell deeply in love with it.

[HomerMcvie]

In 1997 he wasn’t married with children yet.

Well, when I said 1997, I meant from the reunion, ALL the way up until they fired him.

Them holding hands, pretending to still be in love. It was completely insulting to Kristen, and just disgusting for everyone else, from a PR point of view. Except, of course, for idiots that lap it up.:lol:

[michelej1]

I don’t think it was insulting to Kristen or that holding hands is that big a deal. I don’t think the suggestion of ongoing passion was that obvious, except for those looking for it. I think you were a closet shipper, David. Thst’s why every glance had such an impact on you.

I think some of Lindsey’s song lyrics, like Castaway Dreams, could have bothered me, if I were in Kristen’s place, though.

But stage wise, I think the most mushy they got was at the end of Sara. They played things up to spark audience reaction and Lindsey conceded it when he said Mick and Stevie had a plan to push their mics closer together.

Yet, going back to Disney’s Going Home, they were holding hands at the Clinton event and that is before I think anyone thought to stage it. It just happened. Christine and John held hands as well.

[mylittledemon]

Oh, I know exactly when she was pregnant and when he was born and Stella was born during the SYW tour.

I believe it was Ken who said that the first pregnancy was a surprise and Lindsey was not ready to become a father at that time and it was not until the baby was born that he fell deeply in love with it.

I'm still not exactly sure what happened during that time. Weren't Stevie and Lindsey kind of rekindling things? Or was that all purely for show?

Or, as it felt to me, maybe there was actual emotional connections being re-established between them... and that maybe they both wanted to possibly get involved again, but then realized they couldn't? Or wouldn't allow it? I don't know what i'm trying to say :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I don’t think it was insulting to Kristen or that holding hands is that big a deal. I don’t think the suggestion of ongoing passion was that obvious, except for those looking for it. I think you were a closet shipper, David. Thst’s why every glance had such an impact on you.

But stage wise, I think the most mushy they got was at the end of Sara. They played things up to spark audience reaction and Lindsey conceded it when he said Mick and Stevie had a plan to push their mics closer together.

Yet, going back to Disney’s Going Home, they were holding hands at the Clinton event and that is before I think anyone thought to stage it. It just happened. Christine and John held hands as well.

Closet shipper? LOL. Now that's a first! Actually, I think when The Dance came around, was when my dislike for her began. Then, by SYW(I've never been a fan of it), I'd lost pretty much all respect for her. Monotonic singing, and lame assed songs. Even Lindsey couldn't save most of them.

It's a shame that they had to resort to theatrics, to sell their wares.

Christine and John are adults. There's a difference.

[michelej1]

I'm still not exactly sure what happened during that time. Weren't Stevie and Lindsey kind of rekindling things? Or was that all purely for show?

Or, as it felt to me, maybe there was actual emotional connections being re-established between them... and that maybe they both wanted to possibly get involved again, but then realized they couldn't? Or wouldn't allow it? I don't know what i'm trying to say :laugh:

What they were doing that caught people’s attention wasn’t even on stage, IMO. It was in the interviews and that behavior they had in 1997 was different than what they displayed during subsequent tours.

[michelej1]

Closet shipper? LOL. Now that's a first! Actually, I think when The Dance came around, was when my dislike for her began. Then, by SYW(I've never been a fan of it), I'd lost pretty much all respect for her. Monotonic singing, and lame assed songs. Even Lindsey couldn't save most of them.

It's a shame that they had to resort to theatrics, to sell their wares.

Christine and John are adults. There's a difference.

I liked much of SYW and I loved Her Thrown Down and EFO, but the back-to-back tyranny of the dreadful Running Through the Garden and Silver Girl was a lot to overcome.

If Stevie did visit Lindsey during his recovery, I’d be very interested in her description of their time together. I trust she would not give him an iPod with downloads of her songs, as she does the soldiers. I remember when she discussed visiting Robin in the hospital in those final days, she made that all about herself, too. Although in that case, I think Robin could appreciate a little levity and lightness at that time as Stevie observed that her temperature was actually higher than Robin’s. I think if Macsters had gone to Lindsey soon after his surgery that they could have brought some happiness to him. Indon’t Mean declarations of love, just a spot of humor can be very healing.

[vivfox]

If Stevie did visit Lindsey during his recovery, I’d be very interested in her description of their time together. I trust she would not give him an iPod with downloads of her songs, as she does the soldiers.
Why not? The first three songs could be Twisted, Soldier's Angel & Without You.:lol:

[sodascouts]

What they were doing that caught people’s attention wasn’t even on stage, IMO. It was in the interviews and that behavior they had in 1997 was different than what they displayed during subsequent tours.

Ugh, the intense scorn being heaped upon "shippers" (I've always despised that term) makes me loath to even post, but this. The conclusions being drawn from their behavior during The Dance were hardly being crafted from thin air. There were videos such as Landover, and other off-stage behaviors... not to mention their own words.

I am trying to convince no one, nor do I have any desire to enter into a debate. I know I am inviting ridicule from certain quarters. However, I felt the need to reinforce michele's perspective of what it was like back then.

Few would characterize me as a person lacking in discernment, yet I found sufficient basis for the belief that it was more than just a show.

It's hard to talk about it now. Indeed, I have no wish to do so. But the recent trend of ugliness directed at "shippers" has forced me to speak up.

It makes me want to change my avatar back to a Stevie/Lindsey moment just as a "thank you."

[button-lip]

I don’t think it was insulting to Kristen or that holding hands is that big a deal. I don’t think the suggestion of ongoing passion was that obvious, except for those looking for it. I think you were a closet shipper, David. Thst’s why every glance had such an impact on you.

I think some of Lindsey’s song lyrics, like Castaway Dreams, could have bothered me, if I were in Kristen’s place, though.

But stage wise, I think the most mushy they got was at the end of Sara. They played things up to spark audience reaction and Lindsey conceded it when he said Mick and Stevie had a plan to push their mics closer together.

Yet, going back to Disney’s Going Home, they were holding hands at the Clinton event and that is before I think anyone thought to stage it. It just happened. Christine and John held hands as well.

70% of Lindsey's songs are directed at Stevie. Not many are directed at Kristen. I'm not surprised she's not very fond of Lindsey's solo setlist.


What they were doing that caught people’s attention wasn’t even on stage, IMO. It was in the interviews and that behavior they had in 1997 was different than what they displayed during subsequent tours.

Exactly. And it was the same in during SYW. Stories from fans that witnessed their behavior when lights were out. And pics.


I liked much of SYW and I loved Her Thrown Down and EFO, but the back-to-back tyranny of the dreadful Running Through the Garden and Silver Girl was a lot to overcome.

If Stevie did visit Lindsey during his recovery, I’d be very interested in her description of their time together. I trust she would not give him an iPod with downloads of her songs, as she does the soldiers. I remember when she discussed visiting Robin in the hospital in those final days, she made that all about herself, too. Although in that case, I think Robin could appreciate a little levity and lightness at that time as Stevie observed that her temperature was actually higher than Robin’s. I think if Macsters had gone to Lindsey soon after his surgery that they could have brought some happiness to him. Indon’t Mean declarations of love, just a spot of humor can be very healing.

I doubt she even called him.... :confused::confused:

Ugh, the intense scorn being heaped upon "shippers" (I've always despised that term) makes me loath to even post, but this. The conclusions being drawn from their behavior during The Dance were hardly being crafted from thin air. There were videos such as Landover, and other off-stage behaviors... not to mention their own words.

I am trying to convince no one, nor do I have any desire to enter into a debate. I know I am inviting ridicule from certain quarters. However, I felt the need to reinforce michele's perspective of what it was like back then.

Few would characterize me as a person lacking in discernment, yet I found sufficient basis for the belief that it was more than just a show.

It's hard to talk about it now. Indeed, I have no wish to do so. But the recent trend of ugliness directed at "shippers" has forced me to speak up.

It makes me want to change my avatar back to a Stevie/Lindsey moment just as a "thank you."

Count me among the fans that also believe it was not a show during The Dance. And not because of what happened at Landover, because that could have been staged, but you could see it in interviews, pics, behind the scenes. There was a look of adoration in Lindsey's eyes every time he looked at Stevie. And I don't think it was fake.

And that's why like you said, it's very hard to talk about it now, and to see how damaged their relationship is.

And it's not very hard, at least for me, to be mad at her. :mad:

[luminol]

I'm still not exactly sure what happened during that time. Weren't Stevie and Lindsey kind of rekindling things? Or was that all purely for show?

Or, as it felt to me, maybe there was actual emotional connections being re-established between them... and that maybe they both wanted to possibly get involved again, but then realized they couldn't? Or wouldn't allow it? I don't know what i'm trying to say :laugh:

I understand what you're saying/feeling. When you're around an ex after an extended time apart there can be sparks and chemistry regardless, especially when you have such a (public!) history and everyone knows your dirty laundry. Even (especially?) if you're in other relationships, the sparks and flirtations are likely (even just innocent ones)... it almost emboldens you because you feel protected and safe in limited flirtations (I'm sure it was tough for Kristen but she also understands the history). Plus they knew the fans would go nuts. Solid mix of organic and staged chemistry.

[michelej1]

I doubt she even called him.... :confused::confused:





Yes, I’m sure no one called, no one emailed or texted and certainly no one visited. But while I think about Lindsey I also have to step back and wonder what John’s experience was. For me, they continued to look so upbeat after his cancer was announced that it made me feel they knew that it was not life-threatening. I made my prognosis about his condition from their behavior. But now that I know more about them, maybe they just didn’t care one way or another, if John lived or died and that’s why they remained so happy.

[michelej1]

I am trying to convince no one, nor do I have any desire to enter into a debate. I know I am inviting ridicule from certain quarters. However, I felt the need to reinforce michele's perspective of what it was like back then.



I am an X-Files fan. I don’t hate the term shipper. There’s nothing shameful about it. I still embrace it and 1997 was magical.

[Storms123]

Yes, I’m sure no one called, no one emailed or texted and certainly no one visited. But while I think about Lindsey I also have to step back and wonder what John’s experience was. For me, they continued to look so upbeat after his cancer was announced that it made me feel they knew that it was not life-threatening. I made my prognosis about his condition from their behavior. But now that I know more about them, maybe they just didn’t care one way or another, if John lived or died and that’s why they remained so happy.

Well, in their eyes, almost everyone is replaceable

[jeets2000]

What they were doing that caught people’s attention wasn’t even on stage, IMO. It was in the interviews and that behavior they had in 1997 was different than what they displayed during subsequent tours.

My mind always goes to this one when people talk about Stevie & Lindsey in 1997. I'm not going to claim to know what was in their minds and hearts at this point, but what they're saying about one another and their body language is certainly warmer than perhaps at any other point in the band's history? I agree that the stage stuff is easily manufactured, but this seemed genuine if only because weren't able to "fake it" this good before or since.

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[dreamsunwind]

Stevie and Karen thought everything Lindsey did was abusive. “Lindsey has requested that we turn the music down ...” They thought that was abusive.

Exactly lol. I don't doubt he was violent and verbally abusive in the past (granted she probably was as well), but I genuinely think it got to the point where it created such a sensitivity chip that any little thing he did was magnified. Like the stupid 'Bob Dylan' thing.

[dreamsunwind]

I'm still not exactly sure what happened during that time. Weren't Stevie and Lindsey kind of rekindling things? Or was that all purely for show?

Or, as it felt to me, maybe there was actual emotional connections being re-established between them... and that maybe they both wanted to possibly get involved again, but then realized they couldn't? Or wouldn't allow it? I don't know what i'm trying to say :laugh:

Honestly as much as I always appreciated their dynamic I never bought into this theory. I think they were probably at their friendliest during The Dance and that's why you could see them being more affectionate but I highly doubt anyone was trying to rekindle anything beyond maybe just reminiscing here and there. At that time Lindsey had officially become one of those old rock dudes pushing 50 that went for women in their 20s. I highly doubt he would've been interested in any woman actually his age lol, even if it was Stevie.

[michelej1]

Exactly lol. I don't doubt he was violent and verbally abusive in the past (granted she probably was as well), but I genuinely think it got to the point where it created such a sensitivity chip that any little thing he did was magnified. Like the stupid 'Bob Dylan' thing.

I also think the “sensitivity chip” was easily activated because over time their expectation of just how much deference was due to Stevie grew. The bigger Stevie’s ego got, the more shocked that he would DARE to speak or act as if they were equals appalled her.

She told him that the palm trees would hit him on the head if he didn’t learn to appreciate her celebrity and they did.

[elle]

but I genuinely think it got to the point where it created such a sensitivity chip that any little thing he did was magnified. Like the stupid 'Bob Dylan' thing.

and possibly, although he didn't vent that publicly like she did every chance she got and he didn't use it as a fodder to try to catapult her out of the band - the other way around. we can easily imagine he'd get annoyed by little passive aggressive things she would say or do, either directly or through Karen, and overreact just like she does. Destiny Rules doc indicates some of that. the difference is she likes to use it to make him look bad publicly.

[singertobe]

I really think the whole band needs to just go to some therapy sessions. Maybe that'll help. :shrug:

[elle]

I really think the whole band needs to just go to some therapy sessions. Maybe that'll help. :shrug:

lol help what?

all of them probably have their own shrinks anyway.

[iamnotafraid]

I really think the whole band needs to just go to some therapy sessions. Maybe that'll help. :shrug:

Group sessions. I'd pay to hear that.

[button-lip]

Stevie’s shrink name is Karen. That’s why she’s not going anywhere with her treatment :angel:

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie’s shrink name is Karen. That’s why she’s not going anywhere with her treatment :angel:

I'm sure the worst thing for anyone, would be surrounding yourself with a bunch of yes people, who do nothing but tell you how wonderful you are. And that certainly seems like what $tevie has surrounded herself with.

[button-lip]

I'm sure the worst thing for anyone, would be surrounding yourself with a bunch of yes people, who do nothing but tell you how wonderful you are. And that certainly seems like what $tevie has surrounded herself with.

The only people who dared to tell her when she was wrong were Tom and Lindsey..... and look what happened with them.

That certainly tells you not to mess with the Queen...

[michelej1]

I know he’s got to concentrate on recovery right now and that takes all of his focus. Plus, there was probably a lot of pain management needed. But I wish we could get another picture of him or that we could get an update.

[HomerMcvie]

I know he’s got to concentrate on recovery right now and that takes all of his focus. Plus, there was probably a lot of pain management needed. But I wish we could get another picture of him or that we could get an update.

I'd love to see a new pic. That one in the hospital was horrifying!

[button-lip]

I'd love to see a new pic. That one in the hospital was horrifying!

And it’s been already two weeks without a pic. And two weeks of silence. :distress::distress:

[cbBen]

And it’s been already two weeks without a pic. And two weeks of silence. :distress::distress:

Patience. They need space.

[bombaysaffires]

I know he’s got to concentrate on recovery right now and that takes all of his focus. Plus, there was probably a lot of pain management needed. But I wish we could get another picture of him or that we could get an update.

And it’s been already two weeks without a pic. And two weeks of silence. :distress::distress:

Yes, even a simple update that he continues to work on his recovery, thank you for your messages, doesn't have to be anything fancy.

Makes me nervous wondering if there is residual physical/cognitive impact that they are hoping will get better.

But maybe it's just a sense that it's private and nothing more needs to be said until he's ready to speak for himself:shrug: Clearly they had to say something to acknowledge it happened before the gossip rags got ahold of it and twisted things all around.

[michelej1]

Yes. I realize he may still have a lot of meds right now, so a simple update from Kristen would be helpful.

[cbBen]

update from Kristen: https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1099465195993231360

"I know everyone would like an update on how Lindsey is doing. Considering the massively invasive surgery, he is doing really well. Each day things get a little easier, but it is a slow process and sometimes a frustrating one. Thank you so much for all the love and light❤️❤️❤️"

[kak125]

Update from Kristen just posted on Twitter

I know everyone would like an update on how Lindsey is doing. Considering the massively invasive surgery, he is doing really well. Each day things get a little easier, but it is a slow process and sometimes a frustrating one. Thank you so much for all the love and light❤️❤️❤️💫

[michelej1]

Awww. I appreciate her candor.

[button-lip]

Our prayers were answered. :)

I'm just happy knowing he's doing fine. :woohoo:

[elle]

update from Kristen: https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1099465195993231360

"I know everyone would like an update on how Lindsey is doing. Considering the massively invasive surgery, he is doing really well. Each day things get a little easier, but it is a slow process and sometimes a frustrating one. Thank you so much for all the love and light❤️❤️❤️"

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💖 huge love and thanks to KB for giving us an update. she really has no obligation to do this, with everything else Bucks have going on in their lives right now. incredibly grateful to her for taking the time to actually do this.

all the 💓 to Buckinghams!

[BLY]

embedding the tweet too:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I know everyone would like an update on how Lindsey is doing. Considering the massively invasive surgery, he is doing really well. Each day things get a little easier, but it is a slow process and sometimes a frustrating one. Thank you so much for all the love and light❤️❤️❤️💫</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1099465195993231360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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💖 huge love and thanks to KB for giving us an update. she really has no obligation to do this, with everything else Bucks have going on in their lives right now. incredibly grateful to her for taking the time to actually do this.

all the 💓 to Buckinghams!


Amen 🙏 to that! Thank you for your update and prayers continue for Lindsey.

[lovethemac1]

Update from Kristen just posted on Twitter

I know everyone would like an update on how Lindsey is doing. Considering the massively invasive surgery, he is doing really well. Each day things get a little easier, but it is a slow process and sometimes a frustrating one. Thank you so much for all the love and light❤️❤️❤️💫

I do love this woman💗. Keep getting better Lindsey, we’re all cheering you on!!

[bombaysaffires]

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�� huge love and thanks to KB for giving us an update. she really has no obligation to do this, with everything else Bucks have going on in their lives right now. incredibly grateful to her for taking the time to actually do this.

all the �� to Buckinghams!


Very true, and really gracious of her to reply to his fans.

You're right elle, it's a whole lot of work and dr appts and physical therapy or whatever else on their plate to manage every day.

I imagine he's not the type of person who likes being unable to do what he wants to do so I can understand the frustration bit. :eek: And of course as we get older our bodies take a bit longer to heal than they did in our 20s.

[michelej1]

Even when the surgery is planned and there has been a bit of time to prepare (mentally and physically), it’s a difficult recovery. I’m sure having it happen under emergency circumstances makes it an even greater challenge

[button-lip]

Even when the surgery is planned and there has been a bit of time to prepare (mentally and physically), it’s a difficult recovery. I’m sure having it happen under emergency circumstances makes it an even greater challenge

Emotions are totally different. With a planned surgery, even though it's difficult for the patient and the family, you have extra time to organize everything. When you undergo emergency surgery, emotions usually run higher. You move forward because you have to, and because you have to put a brave face in front of the patient, but on the inside you want to scream and go to bed and wake up the next year.

It's a great challenge not only for the patient but for the family as well. My sister underwent 1 emergency surgery and 12 planned, so my perspective is from the family side. Can't even imagine what's like on the patient side.

[michelej1]

This week I spoke to a man who had a heart attack in December at only 45 years old. He was recovering well but was very fatigued. He said just walking up the stairs in his house exhausted him. He said he might have to get a stint.

He is a long haul trucker and, yes, he was under a lot of job stress when the heart attack occurred.

I never watched 90210, but I was shaken by Luke Perry’s death just because of his youth. Time has become such an enemy.

[Feather Blade]

Emotions are totally different. With a planned surgery, even though it's difficult for the patient and the family, you have extra time to organize everything. When you undergo emergency surgery, emotions usually run higher. You move forward because you have to, and because you have to put a brave face in front of the patient, but on the inside you want to scream and go to bed and wake up the next year.

It's a great challenge not only for the patient but for the family as well. My sister underwent 1 emergency surgery and 12 planned, so my perspective is from the family side. Can't even imagine what's like on the patient side.

I hope your sister's surgeries go well and she has quick healing. Sounds like she has a challenging journey ahead.

[button-lip]

I hope your sister's surgeries go well and she has quick healing. Sounds like she has a challenging journey ahead.

She has three neurological diseases and we were told many times that she’s way past her life expectancy. That’s why when I see people not wanting to talk to each other or to share the same stage ever again I wonder if they know how lucky they are for all those shared memories and how stupid they’re being now.

Thanks for your nice wishes. :)

[elle]

This week I spoke to a man who had a heart attack in December at only 45 years old. He was recovering well but was very fatigued. He said just walking up the stairs in his house exhausted him. He said he might have to get a stint.

He is a long haul trucker and, yes, he was under a lot of job stress when the heart attack occurred.

I never watched 90210, but I was shaken by Luke Perry’s death just because of his youth. Time has become such an enemy.

i googled Walter Egan's open heart surgery - according to the article that came up he had a triple bypass on Oct 10, 2014. i do think his surgery was elective and not emergency though, just remembering from his facebook posts at the time. i saw him perform live in DC on 5/28/2015. less than 7 months after his open heart surgery. i asked him about the surgery too at the time. he was in great shape and seems to have been since.

[michelej1]

I am optimistic about Lindsey’s heart and future vitality. I think he will recover because he’s stubborn and wants to prove a point. I am also excited about the insights and music these events will have inspired.

I am worried about his voice though. But goodness it can’t be worse than Elizabethtown.

[HomerMcvie]

i googled Walter Egan's open heart surgery - according to the article that came up he had a triple bypass on Oct 10, 2014. i do think his surgery was elective and not emergency though, just remembering from his facebook posts at the time. i saw him perform live in DC on 5/28/2015. less than 7 months after his open heart surgery. i asked him about the surgery too at the time. he was in great shape and seems to have been since.

Walter has also had hip replacement. He was even featured on billboards in Nashville(where he lives) for hip replacement.

Nothing makes you feel your heroes are getting old, like seeing them as the poster children for geriatric procedures!

[elle]

I am optimistic about Lindsey’s heart and future vitality. I think he will recover because he’s stubborn and wants to prove a point. I am also excited about the insights and music these events will have inspired.

I am worried about his voice though. But goodness it can’t be worse than Elizabethtown.

:laugh::xoxo:

you know, if his vocal cords were somehow additionally damaged beyond normal intubation side-effects, he might need a surgery to get them fixed if he wants to professionally sing again. and if i were in his place, his age and have the funds to easily retire, i don't know that i would opt for additional not medically necessary surgery on my head / neck. :shrug:

[elle]

Walter has also had hip replacement. He was even featured on billboards in Nashville(where he lives) for hip replacement.

Nothing makes you feel your heroes are getting old, like seeing them as the poster children for geriatric procedures!

i know 30 year olds who had hip replacement, and we all know young people getting heart attacks. so maybe that can ease your mind regarding the age-related problems. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

i know 30 year olds who had hip replacement, and we all know young people getting heart attacks. so maybe that can ease your mind regarding the age-related problems. :lol:

Good thing I'm only 22!:lol:


If I were Lindsey, IDK what I'd do. I mean, he should do whatever makes him happy, but this may have been such a life changing event, that maybe his priorities have changed? I just want him to be happy.

[secret love]

:laugh::xoxo:

you know, if his vocal cords were somehow additionally damaged beyond normal intubation side-effects, he might need a surgery to get them fixed if he wants to professionally sing again. and if i were in his place, his age and have the funds to easily retire, i don't know that i would opt for additional not medically necessary surgery on my head / neck. :shrug:

Face it, retirement was on his horizons well before his heart surgery and vocal cord damage. He did one last brilliant solo tour to end it with a bang. He may have been thinking he would tour behind the album mooted for release next month (Will he still release that new studio album this April after all this drama?) ...but I really think any touring beyond this year would in his mind "be a bonus". He would be happy to do a USA tour in support of the new pop album and call it a day, happily retiring on his own terms at age 70, surely.

[button-lip]

Good thing I'm only 22!:lol:


If I were Lindsey, IDK what I'd do. I mean, he should do whatever makes him happy, but this may have been such a life changing event, that maybe his priorities have changed? I just want him to be happy.

Really?! I thought you were younger! :laugh::laugh:

Same. I just want him to be happy AND away from all those nasty people. If he wants to tour, I'd be ecstatic, but if he can't tour anymore, and prefers to stay at home with his family, it will be fine too.

Unlike other people here that claim to love Lindsey, we truly care about him and want the best for him. And we know who's responsible for his current health state.

[secret love]

Really?! I thought you were younger! :laugh::laugh:

Same. I just want him to be happy AND away from all those nasty people. If he wants to tour, I'd be ecstatic, but if he can't tour anymore, and prefers to stay at home with his family, it will be fine too.

Unlike other people here that claim to love Lindsey, we truly care about him and want the best for him. And we know who's responsible for his current health state.

How do you think Lindsey feels about people blaming his ex-girlfriend for his poor health? I highly doubt he accepts that as a valid position, even though he is angry with Stevie and that is because although Lindsey is a class act, his fans are not. Yes he is in the worst health he has been in for years, but I will happily stand corrected that he has never once publicly blamed Stevie Nicks for his current health status.

[HomerMcvie]

Really?! I thought you were younger! :laugh::laugh:

Same. I just want him to be happy AND away from all those nasty people. If he wants to tour, I'd be ecstatic, but if he can't tour anymore, and prefers to stay at home with his family, it will be fine too.

Unlike other people here that claim to love Lindsey, we truly care about him and want the best for him. And we know who's responsible for his current health state.

Well, actually, I'll be 22 next week...after next...year.:wavey:

I concur. As much as it would be nice for them to all end together, it ALL ended WAY before his heart attack. They really are a heartless band. It's a shame I wasted 50...err, 22 years of my life on them, only to find out what f**king sh*theads they are.

We do only want what's best for him. That nasty old goat, $he will outlive them all. Because only the good die young. $he'll live to be 200. Na$ty old *****.

[HomerMcvie]

How do you think Lindsey feels about people blaming his ex-girlfriend for his poor health? I highly doubt he accepts that as a valid position, even though he is angry with Stevie and that is because although Lindsey is a class act, his fans are not. Yes he is in the worst health he has been in for years, but I will happily stand corrected that he has never once publicly blamed Stevie Nicks for his current health status.

Perhaps you're in the WRONG forum??

[michelej1]

Remember the Destiny Rules video when John and Lindsey joked about keeling over with a heart attack?

[button-lip]

Well, actually, I'll be 22 next week...after next...year.:wavey:

I concur. As much as it would be nice for them to all end together, it ALL ended WAY before his heart attack. They really are a heartless band. It's a shame I wasted 50...err, 22 years of my life on them, only to find out what f**king sh*theads they are.

We do only want what's best for him. That nasty old goat, $he will outlive them all. Because only the good die young. $he'll live to be 200. Na$ty old *****.

It all ended after Musicares. More like after Tom Petty died. Once her "conscience", the only person, together with Lindsey, that had no fear of telling her she was doing things the wrong way, died, there was no more obstacles in the middle to finally put her plan in motion. It all adds up, for those who want to see beyond the glitter and the shawls and the stupid dance and tambourine.

[michelej1]

Elle,

I like the "weird, almost standoffish, energy" from the review.

He is very weird. The guy on the cover of the Go Insane album. That encapsulates everything for me.

The guy at the Tusk photo shoot. Isolated, insular, but taking the time to fluff Christine's limp hair, when it's called for.

And All Over Again ... You know what, they were all angry when he left in 1987, but this time it's Stevie's vendetta and they're all just joining in and the firing would be the coup de grace for most people. How much more do you really need. But with them it's just one barb and jab after the other. I really can't get over it. I just can't.

[elle]

Elle,

I like the "weird, almost standoffish, energy" from the review.

He is very weird. The guy on the cover of the Go Insane album. That encapsulates everything for me.

The guy at the Tusk photo shoot. Isolated, insular, but taking the time to fluff Christine's limp hair, when it's called for.

And All Over Again ... You know what, they were all angry when he left in 1987, but this time it's Stevie's vendetta and they're all just joining in and the firing would be the coup de grace for most people. How much more do you really need. But with them it's just one barb and jab after the other. I really can't get over it. I just can't.

i needed a sec to figure out what review and where is that phrase familiar from... i read those 2 reviews a while ago, through twitter, and found it funny that any leveled or slightly negative review of the show is NOT posted in the present band forum. so i figured for posterity, i'd post those latest 2.

seems that lately many reviewers actually post their own reviews, vs lazily pasting PR stuff they are served. i'm sure FM's publicists will be like flies on sh*t on NYC area reviewers to make sure they stick to the script this week.... and we will get more refreshed re-energized happy happy band reviews. but we'll see. depends on the reviewer i'm sure. these recent reviews describe the show as kinda flat but OK, and def missing LB. which seems about right.

yes re Christine and John. they are spineless lazy appeasers. they could have stopped Mick. but they didn't. and now, at least they can just coast but instead Chris is playing Stevie's game. so maybe she deserves Stevie stepping all over her as she and her publicists seem to.

Lindsey saying those people are weak, in different ways, was way too generous.

[elle]

all just joining in and the firing would be the coup de grace for most people. How much more do you really need. But with them it's just one barb and jab after the other. I really can't get over it. I just can't.
right?? that's just so unbelievable! i mean, how can they NOT stop??

there's nothing to get over when we get new material to be pi**ed about almost every day.

and i don't search for FM. i unfollowed most people on social media who still go to their shows so i don't have to see their crap. but i have LB searches. and when someone mentions him those interviews and reviews pop up on my social media. so i'm sure i'm seeing a minority of all the trash that the "new happy band" is throwing out there and it's still way too much. :eek:

[AliceLover]

I am optimistic about Lindsey’s heart and future vitality. I think he will recover because he’s stubborn and wants to prove a point. I am also excited about the insights and music these events will have inspired.

I am worried about his voice though. But goodness it can’t be worse than Elizabethtown.

On the bright side, he has the best medical care/doctors that money can guy. If anyone is going to make a full recovery, it's going to be someone who has a boatload of money.

I do think it is weird that I saw the best solo tour he's ever done AND met him, right before he got sick. When we first got the news, I took that as an omen. I was afraid that was going to be the last time I was going to see him. I felt like the universe had us meet because it knew he was going to be ill.

To quote him, "It's a dark thought, I realize."

[bombaysaffires]

On the bright side, he has the best medical care/doctors that money can guy. If anyone is going to make a full recovery, it's going to be someone who has a boatload of money.

I do think it is weird that I saw the best solo tour he's ever done AND met him, right before he got sick. When we first got the news, I took that as an omen. I was afraid that was going to be the last time I was going to see him. I felt like the universe had us meet because it knew he was going to be ill.

To quote him, "It's a dark thought, I realize."

similar.... I had gone to prev tours but never met him. Almost didn't make it this time because I was horribly sick and couldn't fly.. changed dates of my flights twice before biting the bullet and flying a red-eye. If I hadn't, and he hadn't survived, I'd be devastated.

[michelej1]

Jagger had a stent put in to prop up an artery and is expected to make a complete recovery. That makes me feel good. Of course, I wish that Lindsey's problem could have been detected before it resulted in an emergency. But when I read all the positive stuff about Jagger returning to work, I feel better about Lindsey, all the same.

[Storms123]

Jagger had a stent put in to prop up an artery and is expected to make a complete recovery. That makes me feel good. Of course, I wish that Lindsey's problem could have been detected before it resulted in an emergency. But when I read all the positive stuff about Jagger returning to work, I feel better about Lindsey, all the same.


Agreed. Lindsey’s procedure seemed to be very invasive but Mick’s positive update is making me feel good about LB

[elle]

Jagger had a stent put in to prop up an artery and is expected to make a complete recovery. That makes me feel good. Of course, I wish that Lindsey's problem could have been detected before it resulted in an emergency. But when I read all the positive stuff about Jagger returning to work, I feel better about Lindsey, all the same.

of course, Jagger didn't have open heart surgery, his surgery was minimally invasive.

Lindsey was closely monitoring his heart health, as far as we know, ever since his brother and father died of heart-related problems. he was well aware of his family history and that he has to watch it.

[michelej1]

of course, Jagger didn't have open heart surgery, his surgery was minimally invasive.

Lindsey was closely monitoring his heart health, as far as we know, ever since his brother and father died of heart-related problems. he was well aware of his family history and that he has to watch it.

I don't know how closely he was monitoring it. He may have figured he had reached a certain age and made sure to eat healthy and thought maybe that took him out of the danger zone. On the other hand, I know to get tour insurance you have to have a physical. That's how they found Jagger's problem and I remember way back when that's how they found out Magic Johnson had HIV, an insurance check up for him to travel with the Lakers.

[Storms123]

I don't know how closely he was monitoring it. He may have figured he had reached a certain age and made sure to eat healthy and thought maybe that took him out of the danger zone. On the other hand, I know to get tour insurance you have to have a physical. That's how they found Jagger's problem and I remember way back when that's how they found out Magic Johnson had HIV, an insurance check up for him to travel with the Lakers.

So to all the people who said FM SAVED Lindsey's life by firing him because he could have had a heart attack alone in his hotel room, or on stage, they actually may have almost killed him. If they didn't fire him, he would have had a physical before he went on tour and maybe they would have caught his issue earlier--like Jagger. I am sorry, had to go there :lol:

[cbBen]

So to all the people who said FM SAVED Lindsey's life by firing him because he could have had a heart attack alone in his hotel room, or on stage, they actually may have almost killed him. If they didn't fire him, he would have had a physical before he went on tour and maybe they would have caught his issue earlier--like Jagger. I am sorry, had to go there :lol:

Did his own tour not require the same kind of insurance and checkup?

[Storms123]

Did his own tour not require the same kind of insurance and checkup?

I am being slightly facetious given some of the comments around here when LB had his surgery. It may not have come off that way. That being said, and someone else may be able to correct me, because I might be wrong, but I think I read somewhere the insurance requirement is due to the scope/scale and venues and/or promoter a larger tour (like an FM or Stones tour) would require the insurance/physical.

[cbBen]

Harrowing to think about. This episode with Mick Jagger really illustrates the point.

[ryan4136]

I don't like this nearly complete lack of information. :(