Show a little respect for Christine

[secret love]

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

[Storms123]

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

From my perspective, Christine left of her own accord, and was not tossed out by the person who brought her into the band. And regarding Sheryl Crow replacing her, and someone please correct me if I am wrong, it was Lindsey who put the kibash on that. IMO, the 2 situations are not apples to apples comparisons. I will give her the respect she deserves for being the only member of the band to actually engage with Lindsey since Mick and Stevie fired him.
I also would say “replacing” him is not unforgivable, they’ve done it before. They also replaced Stevie. What’s unforgivable, for me as a fan, is LYING about why he was replaced. Band made a decision, own it!

[sue]

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

On the surface, what you say is correct....
Big difference, Christine left them...
Lindsey was sacked.

[HomerMcvie]

There is NO comparison in what happened. Christine retired. Lindsey was fired. How in the hell can you not see the difference???:laugh:

[button-lip]

There is NO comparison in what happened. Christine retired. Lindsey was fired. How in the hell can you not see the difference???:laugh:

I'm not surprised. Some people still can't understand that Lindsey was fired, so they still choose to say that he left.

The thread title cracks me up! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I'm not surprised. Some people still can't understand that Lindsey was fired, so they still choose to say that he left.

The thread title cracks me up! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I agree. But they'll do or say anything to stand up for Old Goat Breath. "That MEAN MAN had to go!!!!!":lol:

[jbrownsjr]

I thought I would get better with this situation as time ticked on. But honestly, what $tevie did is truly ugly and disgusts me more and more as I think about it. It's not so much the rallying of Mick and Irving that she and her crew accomplished; it's the silent treatment and the inhumane path it went down.

I still try to put myself in Lindsey's shoes. Getting the call and realizing they fired him without an explanation. a face to face conversation. or even a phone call. I can imagine him trying to sleep at night knowing he had been iced and ghosted by the very same people he has known for 40 years. I'm also willing to bet he and his wife had many sleepless nights. (His whole family most likely) Why would you put someone through that and then go on national tv and say, "It's because he didn't want to tour." Did $he have so much hate in her heart? Imagine doing that to someone, then lying about it to the world. We don't want to use the word fired? That actually makes sense because they didn't have the guts to fire him. They just moved on without contact.

And this giant revenge was done to the man that was a MAJOR player in $tevie's fruitful career. That's a bit ironic, no?

The more I try to get my head around this, the harder it is. I always knew she was a superficial, and entitled human being; but, I did not realize just how low she could sink.

As for Christine McVie. She had nothing to do with this, and I can't reasonably expect someone to take millions of dollars off the table and get involved in the Nicks' **** show. I'm pretty sure she quit the band for a week or two,(however, I haven't been able to verify it.) I don't even think even Lindsey would expect Christine to give up what she came back for. Christine came back from retirement to re-join Fleetwood Mac.

Final note: I don't think Christine sent that email to LB on accident. She was sending a message to him and the fans. I pray we get another BuckVie album. It's certainly possible. That email had to have sent shock waves thru the band......... errrrrrrrrrrrrr Stevie's crew.

[cbBen]

Yes, a firing is a difference in kind from a resignation.

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.

As was said elsewhere, 1997 was a reset.

[HomerMcvie]

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.


Christine is ESSENTIAL to FM for me. There's no balance without her.

BTW, I never saw your note in our DVD exchange, about Dave Grohl saying that $tevie's voice was "goat-like", until a couple days ago, when I was tossing the envelope. Tee hee. I think he was right!:angel:

[cbBen]

I never saw your note in our DVD exchange, about Dave Grohl saying that $tevie's voice was "goat-like", until a couple days ago, when I was tossing the envelope. Tee hee. I think he was right!:angel:

It was Keith Olsen who said it, in Grohl's Sound City documentary. I don't think he meant it as an insult (only a description).

[jbrownsjr]

Christine is ESSENTIAL to FM for me. There's no balance without her.

BTW, I never saw your note in our DVD exchange, about Dave Grohl saying that $tevie's voice was "goat-like", until a couple days ago, when I was tossing the envelope. Tee hee. I think he was right!:angel:

So essential!! Look what came out of BuckVie's album. It's such an amazing album. I still listen to this heavily.

[HomerMcvie]

So essential!! Look what came out of BuckVie's album. It's such an amazing album. I still listen to this heavily.

Agreed. I still listen to it at least once a week. I think it's one of their best. I'd rank them as:
#1 Rumours
#2 Tusk
#3 Mirage
#4 BuckVie
#5 White Album
#6 Tango
#7 Time
#8 Behind The Mask
#9 Say You Won't

[jbrownsjr]

Agreed. I still listen to it at least once a week. I think it's one of their best. I'd rank them as:
#1 Rumours
#2 Tusk
#3 Mirage
#4 BuckVie
#5 White Album
#6 Tango
#7 Time
#8 Behind The Mask
#9 Say You Won't

And if you add Welch/Green albums #9 falls even further.

To say McVie isn't essential means people need to go back and listen to the early albums. She's a staple IMO. And yes, SYW is such a mess.

[HomerMcvie]

And if you add Welch/Green albums #9 falls even further.

To say McVie isn't essential means people need to go back and listen to the early albums. She's a staple IMO. And yes, SYW is such a mess.

I'd put Mystery to Me right after Tusk, and Bare Trees after The White Album.

And yes, SYW is a train wreck.

[jbrownsjr]

I'd put Mystery to Me right after Tusk, and Bare Trees after The White Album.

And yes, SYW is a train wreck.

Christine is essential to MTM as she is Tango. Killer songs, killer piano, killer vocals, killer harmonies.

[HomerMcvie]

Christine is essential to MTM as she is Tango. Killer songs, killer piano, killer vocals, killer harmonies.

Long live the Queen!

[SteveMacD]

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.
I’m just the opposite. Christine is probably the MOST essential member of Fleetwood Mac. The unique Fleetwood-McVie-McVie groove, which goes back to the Peter Green days and continues through today, is THE defining feature of the Fleetwood Mac sound and her voice graced the majority of their hit singles.

And, it didn’t work without her. In sixteen years, they made exactly one album and an EP. By the end of this year, they will have done more shows since her return than they did in the decade between SYW and her return.

As was said elsewhere, 1997 was a reset.
And what exactly did we get with that reset? It’s been the most painfully, pitifully unproductive era in the band’s history. The semi-retired Christine made as many albums in that time as Fleetwood Mac.

[sue]

And if you add Welch/Green albums #9 falls even further.

To say McVie isn't essential means people need to go back and listen to the early albums. She's a staple IMO. And yes, SYW is such a mess.

Mcvie is so essential, she holds the F Mac sound together...BUT...
I do love SYW, I find it a very complex album and still listen to it a lot.

[SteveMacD]

1. Tusk
2. Then Play On
3. Mystery To Me
4. Fleetwood Mac
5. Bare Trees
6. Rumours
7. Future Games
8. Mr. Wonderful
9. Kiln House
10. Tango In The Night

(As of today. 4-9 change order all the time)

[button-lip]

Yes, a firing is a difference in kind from a resignation.

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.

As was said elsewhere, 1997 was a reset.

The group works without Stevie. If the group is working right now without Lindsey (which doesn't mean most of the people are liking it), the group CAN work without Stevie. And without Mick. And without John.

[secondhandchain]

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

HE WAS FIRED!!!!!!! DUH You don't see the diffference!!!????? She left on her own accord.

[SteveMacD]

HE WAS FIRED!!!!!!! DUH You don't see the diffference!!!????? She left on her own accord.

Okay, so you’re saying that if a few members of a band find themselves at personal or creative odds with another member of the band, they aren’t allowed to fire that member and have to suffer for the rest of their time together?

[button-lip]

I thought I would get better with this situation as time ticked on. But honestly, what $tevie did is truly ugly and disgusts me more and more as I think about it. It's not so much the rallying of Mick and Irving that she and her crew accomplished; it's the silent treatment and the inhumane path it went down.

I still try to put myself in Lindsey's shoes. Getting the call and realizing they fired him without an explanation. a face to face conversation. or even a phone call. I can imagine him trying to sleep at night knowing he had been iced and ghosted by the very same people he has known for 40 years. I'm also willing to bet he and his wife had many sleepless nights. (His whole family most likely) Why would you put someone through that and then go on national tv and say, "It's because he didn't want to tour." Did $he have so much hate in her heart? Imagine doing that to someone, then lying about it to the world. We don't want to use the word fired? That actually makes sense because they didn't have the guts to fire him. They just moved on without contact.

And this giant revenge was done to the man that was a MAJOR player in $tevie's fruitful career. That's a bit ironic, no?

The more I try to get my head around this, the harder it is. I always knew she was a superficial, and entitled human being; but, I did not realize just how low she could sink.

As for Christine McVie. She had nothing to do with this, and I can't reasonably expect someone to take millions of dollars off the table and get involved in the Nicks' **** show. I'm pretty sure she quit the band for a week or two,(however, I haven't been able to verify it.) I don't even think even Lindsey would expect Christine to give up what she came back for. Christine came back from retirement to re-join Fleetwood Mac.

Final note: I don't think Christine sent that email to LB on accident. She was sending a message to him and the fans. I pray we get another BuckVie album. It's certainly possible. That email had to have sent shock waves thru the band......... errrrrrrrrrrrrr Stevie's crew.

I also can't wrap my mind around what happened. Still can't. And the silent treatment….. was it necessary? what were they trying to accomplish? If he was such a pain in the a$s, why not telling him? It wasn't that.

They're so pathetic as the people that are justifying their actions. Why is it so hard to understand that this was all a Stevie's whim?

Clearly Stevie's hate towards Lindsey was much, much more than many of us believed it was. This is her revenge after 40 years of writing in all those journals she has all the "bad things" he had done to her. Because she was a saint.

I was a bit more relieved after Christine's mail. And it proved that his firing WAS NOT a group decision and that she didn't have any problem with Lindsey, as many here want to believe. I really hope they can work again with Lindsey. Because they make great music together. And just to get back at Stevie. :laugh:

[elle]

Okay, so you’re saying that if a few members of a band find themselves at personal or creative odds with another member of the band, they aren’t allowed to fire that member and have to suffer for the rest of their time together?

:rolleyes:

there are no "few members" here. just one. who has been in creative odds with the band for 15 years now, and at personal odds with her ex for 40+ years. so yeah she should have been fired. instead they continue to suffer, from what we hear even worse now without Lindsey to take the brunt of it.

[luminol]

My Friday night rambles... :woohoo:

Christine feels like the very essence of Fleetwood Mac to me. Where would this band be without her contributions? That instantly recognizable smooth voice, jaunty keys, multiple hit songs. The ying to Stevie's yang. Her countenance and very presence within the band for so long cannot be undervalued in my humble opinion. I realize Mick and John have more years in the band than she, but without her songwriting bridging multiple eras and providing continuity they wouldn't have lasted long after PG's departure.

SYW is practically unlistenable to me. I'm sure her absence is no coincidence as to why.

I am a big LB fan and consider him critically important to their successes, but I cannot deny that Christine is truly the lynchpin of the band. Sure "it's Mick's band" and he's the showman, but he'd have no band without Christine.

:woohoo:

[Storms123]

Okay, so you’re saying that if a few members of a band find themselves at personal or creative odds with another member of the band, they aren’t allowed to fire that member and have to suffer for the rest of their time together?

I am a huge fan of a quorum--but in this case, I think it's been well established, it wasn't a few members, or a quorum, it was one, and the rest somehow were castrated (or in Christine's case...blindsided) on their way into the meetings.

[HomerMcvie]

My Friday night rambles... :woohoo:

Christine feels like the very essence of Fleetwood Mac to me. Where would this band be without her contributions? That instantly recognizable smooth voice, jaunty keys, multiple hit songs. The ying to Stevie's yang. Her countenance and very presence within the band for so long cannot be undervalued in my humble opinion. I realize Mick and John have more years in the band than she, but without her songwriting bridging multiple eras and providing continuity they wouldn't have lasted long after PG's departure.

SYW is practically unlistenable to me. I'm sure her absence is no coincidence as to why.

I am a big LB fan and consider him critically important to their successes, but I cannot deny that Christine is truly the lynchpin of the band. Sure "it's Mick's band" and he's the showman, but he'd have no band without Christine.

:woohoo:

Marry me?

As much as the idiots of the world worship $tevie, Christine was and is the balance that they needed. She "popped" it out, with that smooth pop voice. Thus, why she had the most hits. She balanced out the hippy chick, and the quirky guitarist, to where it all made sense, and made it radio friendly.

That said, Lindsey was the artistic, creative force behind it, pushing that pop to the next level, making it stand out as something distinctive.

$tevie is just a pop culture drone. People(for whatever reason) relate to her hippy dippy persona, spinning around(now) like a geriatric goat with a spastic colon, with less singing range than said goat.

Oh yeah, SYW blows goats. No, not that one.:woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

You also look at the differences in personality between Christine and $tevie.

Christine is by no means perfect. But, she's an amazing human being compared to $tevie Nicks. One is classy, beautiful, strong, talented and the other is nasty, spiteful, hateful, and a mess.

But hey, $he $ells.

[button-lip]

$tevie is just a pop culture drone. People(for whatever reason) relate to her hippy dippy persona, spinning around(now) like a geriatric goat with a spastic colon, with less singing range than said goat.



Oh, how would I love to understand people one day! :nod::nod: And the reason behind that idiotic love. :D

[David]

Clifford Davis IS Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

Clifford Davis IS Fleetwood Mac.

He's one hell of a manager. Now you leave him alone, David. :mad:

[sue]

Oh, how would I love to understand people one day! :nod::nod: And the reason behind that idiotic love. :D

Ah yes but that’s what makes us all different and interesting....
There is no reasoning behind love of any kind or sort...
Some people do have a BLIND love for Stevie, there’s no explaining that.

It’s their prerogative and although difficult to comprehend it’s not “idiotic”

PS I do not have a blind love for Stevie....as I’ve said umpteen times it’s the band I love.

[jbrownsjr]

Clifford Davis IS Fleetwood Mac.

Allegedly, .

[button-lip]

Ah yes but that’s what makes us all different and interesting....
There is no reasoning behind love of any kind or sort...
Some people do have a BLIND love for Stevie, there’s no explaining that.

It’s their prerogative and although difficult to comprehend it’s not “idiotic”

PS I do not have a blind love for Stevie....as I’ve said umpteen times it’s the band I love.

I would never support Lindsey if I know he did something wrong. So it’s kinda idiotic.

[sue]

I would never support Lindsey if I know he did something wrong. So it’s kinda idiotic.

Good point, it’s their blindness to the actions she took that’s idiotic, understood..

[dontlookdown]

Lindsey didn't choose to leave. He was forced out and all of the plans were made behind is back; which turned into an enormous public embarrassment for him.
Whatever he did, it didn't warrant such horrible behavior by the rest of the band.
Chris left the band by choice for personal reasons.

[elle]

Lindsey didn't choose to leave. He was forced out and all of the plans were made behind is back; which turned into an enormous public embarrassment for him.
Whatever he did, it didn't warrant such horrible behavior by the rest of the band.
Chris left the band by choice for personal reasons.
he did a lot - wrote songs, produced, played, arranged, had a vision and helped band members when they were down and out, over decades. a behavior that needs to be punished so that others can take the credit. :nod:

we've all seen conniving people get ahead while unsuspecting get pushed down. happens every day in real world, unfortunately.

[Storms123]

he did a lot - wrote songs, produced, played, arranged, had a vision and helped band members when they were down and out, over decades. a behavior that needs to be punished so that others can take the credit. :nod:

we've all seen conniving people get ahead while unsuspecting get pushed down. happens every day in real world, unfortunately.

Well said Elle--and as far as public embarrassment, the remaining "band" owns that. They lied, and wound up being called out for it publicly. They should be embarrassed given how they've conducted themselves.

[secret love]

he did a lot - wrote songs, produced, played, arranged, had a vision and helped band members when they were down and out, over decades. a behavior that needs to be punished so that others can take the credit. :nod:

we've all seen conniving people get ahead while unsuspecting get pushed down. happens every day in real world, unfortunately.
Let me rebut you.

Yes, he did all those things and ought to be congratulated for them. He also:
- Tried to force Stevie's hand and cajole her into recording a studio album with Fleetwood Mac by recording eight songs with Mick and John shortly after her mother died. He then tried her to convince her to sing on these when she clearly did not want to and of course, he knew that all along.
- He is the man who said to/about Christine "she can't just come and go", after he left the band for ten years from 1987-1997 and came back for one off appearances in 1990 and 1993 giving fans false hope for a reunion - ok, until the reunion happened, after ten years of to-ing and fro-ing.
- He wanted to intersperse solo shows with Fleetwood Mac shows. Hardly could say "stand with my band" on that front.
- Got so caught up in the lustful of appeal of new music that he forgot about the financial rewards of touring as well as the higher fan demand for touring versus new music.
- He got his wish and released a pseudo Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie and STILL was NOT satisfied and wanted to do a second album with Stevie involved. Pushed for this prior to the current tour, even when he knew it was not what she wanted and she had told him several (MANY) times why.

[HomerMcvie]

Let me rebut you.

Yes, he did all those things and ought to be congratulated for them. He also:
- Tried to force Stevie's hand and cajole her into recording a studio album with Fleetwood Mac by recording eight songs with Mick and John shortly after her mother died. He then tried her to convince her to sing on these when she clearly did not want to and of course, he knew that all along.
- He is the man who said to/about Christine "she can't just come and go", after he left the band for ten years from 1987-1997 and came back for one off appearances in 1990 and 1993 giving fans false hope for a reunion - ok, until the reunion happened, after ten years of to-ing and fro-ing.
- He wanted to intersperse solo shows with Fleetwood Mac shows. Hardly could say "stand with my band" on that front.
- Got so caught up in the lustful of appeal of new music that he forgot about the financial rewards of touring as well as the higher fan demand for touring versus new music.
- He got his wish and released a pseudo Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie and STILL was NOT satisfied and wanted to do a second album with Stevie involved. Pushed for this prior to the current tour, even when he knew it was not what she wanted and she had told him several (MANY) times why.
You need to post some pics of your $tevie $hrine. I'm sure it's fabulou$.

[jmn3]

- He is the man who said to/about Christine "she can't just come and go", after he left the band for ten years from 1987-1997 and came back for one off appearances in 1990 and 1993 giving fans false hope for a reunion - ok, until the reunion happened, after ten years of to-ing and fro-ing.

Are you for real? Lindsey’s two appearances at the last two BTM shows and the friggin Clinton inauguration are considered “to-ing and fro-ing???”

He played along on 2-3 songs at those BTM shows as it was to be the last show with Chris and Stevie. He played exactly ONE song in 1993 as requested by the then President-Elect during inauguration planning.

[button-lip]

You need to post some pics of your $tevie $hrine. I'm sure it's fabulou$.

I especially love the part about "forcing Stevie to do something". As if Karen would have allowed that! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I especially love the part about "forcing Stevie to do something". As if Karen would have allowed that! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Never say you'd like to smack Karen's smug face. Someone will never let you live it down.

Oh wait, that person seems to be MIA of late.:lol::wavey:

[jeets2000]

- Got so caught up in the lustful of appeal of new music that he forgot about the financial rewards of touring as well as the higher fan demand for touring versus new music.

I actually think the above is a pretty good crystallization of why the two sides on this issue will never see eye to eye.

If you're a fan of A BAND, and you're characterizing CREATING MUSIC as some sort of lesser endeavor to a massive arena tour in which they play songs we've all heard on numerous previous tours, how could you ever understand the frustrations of someone who puts that creative process first?

It's not as if Lindsey was demanding the band stop touring altogether and only record new music. He was saying, Let's do what we've always* done and put an album out first, then tour behind it. I personally know I'll never understand why that suddenly became such a burdensome ask from 2005-2018.

*Until 2009.

[David]

Are you for real? Lindsey’s two appearances at the last two BTM shows and the friggin Clinton inauguration are considered “to-ing and fro-ing???” Not only that, but Christine and Stevie also came back in 1997. And if Fleetwood Mac was truly disbanded by that point, Mick and John came back, too. That's not a good example of Lindsey jumping out and jumping in. They all reunited.

He played along on 2-3 songs at those BTM shows as it was to be the last show with Chris and Stevie. He played exactly ONE song in 1993 as requested by the then President-Elect during inauguration planning.And Fleetwood Mac asked him to play those two nights. It had nothing to do with teasing the audience about a reunion. In fact, LB himself made clear to the press that he was NOT joining the band permanently. He wouldn't have done the Clinton gala, either, if the rest of the band (Stevie primarily, by all accounts) hadn't convinced him to do so. He had no personal interest in it. The attempt to portray him as a fickle "in-and-out" kind of guy during those years is baseless and inaccurate.

[button-lip]

Not only that, but Christine and Stevie also came back in 1997. And if Fleetwood Mac was truly disbanded by that point, Mick and John came back, too. That's not a good example of Lindsey jumping out and jumping in. They all reunited.

And Fleetwood Mac asked him to play those two nights. It had nothing to do with teasing the audience about a reunion. In fact, LB himself made clear to the press that he was NOT joining the band permanently. He wouldn't have done the Clinton gala, either, if the rest of the band (Stevie primarily, by all accounts) hadn't convinced him to do so. He had no personal interest in it. The attempt to portray him as a fickle "in-and-out" kind of guy during those years is baseless and inaccurate.

So, Stevie basically forced Lindsey's hand. We all knew that. She said to him: "If you don't do this, I'll never speak to you again". A delicate flower indeed. :laugh:

[secondhandchain]

You need to post some pics of your $tevie $hrine. I'm sure it's fabulou$.

Right? He wanted to make new music...what a MONSTER!!!! I love the one where he forgot about the importance of touring....WTF? He had just toured for 2 years with them.

[HomerMcvie]

Right? He wanted to make new music...what a MONSTER!!!! I love the one where he forgot about the importance of touring....WTF? He had just toured for 2 years with them.

He's absolutely horrible!!! $he says so.

Fleetwoodf*cking Mac would have died by 1980 if it weren't for HIM. Bunch of f*cking ignorant, selfish, egomaniacs, they are.

[secret love]

I actually think the above is a pretty good crystallization of why the two sides on this issue will never see eye to eye.

If you're a fan of A BAND, and you're characterizing CREATING MUSIC as some sort of lesser endeavor to a massive arena tour in which they play songs we've all heard on numerous previous tours, how could you ever understand the frustrations of someone who puts that creative process first?

It's not as if Lindsey was demanding the band stop touring altogether and only record new music. He was saying, Let's do what we've always* done and put an album out first, then tour behind it. I personally know I'll never understand why that suddenly became such a burdensome ask from 2005-2018.

*Until 2009.

I presented Stevie's side of the argument and you presumed I agree with her side. I do not. BUT, Buckingham McVie IS a Fleetwood Mac album. New music happened and it happened without Stevie. A tour behind the 2017 Fleetwood Mac album also happened.
So, why was Lindsey not satisfied with the 2014-2015 tour and the 2017 tour being the Fleetwood Mac crowning achievement and farewell?

[cbBen]

Because "with the finish line in sight" (as he put it), they tarnished the legacy of a band in which he had invested much of his working life.

[button-lip]

Because "with the finish line in sight" (as he put it), they tarnished the legacy of a band in which he had invested much of his working life.

Yeah, well, when you need to explain something we already explained a thousand times, it becomes a pointless conversation. :shrug:

[mitzo]

Yeah, well, when you need to explain something we already explained a thousand times, it becomes a pointless conversation. :shrug:

Then why keep explaining if it is pointless?

[Feather Blade]

Then why keep explaining if it is pointless?

Yes, thank God we can all start moving forward instead of wasting time beating a dead horse that after more than a year has decayed to bones anyway. ;)

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, thank God we can all start moving forward instead of wasting time beating a dead horse that after more than a year has decayed to bones anyway. ;)

You know, not everybody is a $tevie drone. But thanks for making the rules that everybody else has to live by.:laugh::wavey::laugh:

[Feather Blade]

You know, not everybody is a $tevie drone. But thanks for making the rules that everybody else has to live by.:laugh::wavey::laugh:

Nope, not making any rules, just expressing relief that it sounded like we might start talking about something new around here.

[button-lip]

Nope, not making any rules, just expressing relief that it sounded like we might start talking about something new around here.

You know, there's a Present Band forum for that... :shrug:

Lindsey was part of the Rumours 5 and he was fired by the most important member of the band (whether you like it or not), so this is clearly the place to talk about it. Plenty of space to talk about $tevie just crossing the street.

[Feather Blade]

You know, there's a Present Band forum for that... :shrug:

Lindsey was part of the Rumours 5 and he was fired by the most important member of the band (whether you like it or not), so this is clearly the place to talk about it. Plenty of space to talk about $tevie just crossing the street.

Wait, so it is or it isn't a pointless conversation to keep talking about Lindsey being let go? Your comments are getting confusing. Also, there is plenty of Rumours era history for discussion that doesn't include yet another rant about that. Good grief people, give it a rest for a while, no amount of complaining will change one thing about the situation.

[button-lip]

Wait, so it is or it isn't a pointless conversation to keep talking about Lindsey being let go? Your comments are getting confusing. Also, there is plenty of Rumours era history for discussion that doesn't include yet another rant about that. Good grief people, give it a rest for a while, no amount of complaining will change one thing about the situation.

What I said it was pointless was to keep trying to explain to people why Lindsey was unsatisfied with how things ended and how he feels the legacy of the band was tarnished. But of course when you're on the winning team (Stevie's) you can't possibly understand that. I was answering chBen post.
My comment was clear. Some posters here that answered my post made it unclear.

I'm sure there are plenty of threads in the Present Band forum to talk about FM's current happiness.

[Feather Blade]

What I said it was pointless was to keep trying to explain to people why Lindsey was unsatisfied with how things ended and how he feels the legacy of the band was tarnished. But of course when you're on the winning team (Stevie's) you can't possibly understand that. I was answering chBen post.
My comment was clear. Some posters here that answered my post made it unclear.

I'm sure there are plenty of threads in the Present Band forum to talk about FM's current happiness.

Well, just as you were responding to CBens post, I was responding to Mitzo's. Sometimes I do wonder if some of the folks around here who are so emotionally invested in this are just very young and haven't logged quite enough life experience yet to figure out what's a real priority. (Not saying you belong to that group, just a theory I considered about some of the reactions) Having dealt with a fair amount of tragedy in life, the line up changes of any band (particularly one with what, 19 different comings and goings now?) don't register as worth getting excited about to me. I've found things to like through all of it and I expect I will continue to do so. Have a good rest of your day BL.

[jeets2000]

I presented Stevie's side of the argument and you presumed I agree with her side. I do not.

Oh. I see. I suppose it was confusing to me when you wrote, "Let me rebut you," and then listed a series of grievances with how LB conducted himself over the past 30+ years in your own words. If you had mentioned in your post that you were channeling Stevie for her side of the argument, I would have known.

BUT, Buckingham McVie IS a Fleetwood Mac album. New music happened and it happened without Stevie. A tour behind the 2017 Fleetwood Mac album also happened.
So, why was Lindsey not satisfied with the 2014-2015 tour and the 2017 tour being the Fleetwood Mac crowning achievement and farewell?

I understand what you're saying. BuckVie is a Fleetwood Mac album in spirit. But you do know it was not actually a Fleetwood Mac album? Also, I have to believe Lindsey's lack of satisfaction has something to do with the band firing him. Just a guess. :laugh:

[sue]

Nope, not making any rules, just expressing relief that it sounded like we might start talking about something new around here.

Now don’t upset the gang of two....
Actually I’m with you, let’s move on..

[David]

I presented Stevie's side of the argument and you presumed I agree with her side. I do not. BUT, Buckingham McVie IS a Fleetwood Mac album. New music happened and it happened without Stevie. A tour behind the 2017 Fleetwood Mac album also happened.
So, why was Lindsey not satisfied with the 2014-2015 tour and the 2017 tour being the Fleetwood Mac crowning achievement and farewell? I think some of his sense of lack of closure boils down to his relationship with Stevie rather than his relationship with Fleetwood Mac per se. Many times in recent years (ever since The Dance, really), he's talked about his (musical and personal) relationship with her being a work in progress, and has said over and over that the two of them haven't written the final pages in that book—two young people who forged ahead together with musical dreams, and so on.

This abrupt separation from the band puts the close on any such hopes he had to satisfactorily complete his story vis-à-vis Stevie. I think at least some of his pain is right there. Thoughts?

[HomerMcvie]

Now don’t upset the gang of two....
Actually I’m with you, let’s move on..

Oh now, Susie Q, don't be like that.

[button-lip]

Now don’t upset the gang of two....
Actually I’m with you, let’s move on..

Someone forgot to take her medication today....

[sue]

Oh now, Susie Q, don't be like that.

Hahaha.....😃😃😃😃
That’s better a bit of light relief..

[sue]

[QUOTE=button-lip;1248320]Someone forgot to take her medication today....[/QUOte

Hahaha and...
No, I’ve got a very nice single malt, to sip whilst watching Endeavour.
(Morse when he was young)

[lovethemac1]

Well, just as you were responding to CBens post, I was responding to Mitzo's. Sometimes I do wonder if some of the folks around here who are so emotionally invested in this are just very young and haven't logged quite enough life experience yet to figure out what's a real priority. (Not saying you belong to that group, just a theory I considered about some of the reactions) Having dealt with a fair amount of tragedy in life, the line up changes of any band (particularly one with what, 19 different comings and goings now?) don't register as worth getting excited about to me. I've found things to like through all of it and I expect I will continue to do so. Have a good rest of your day BL.

FeatherBlade, I recognize that this hasn't thrown you in the least, but it is very UN-sympathetic of you to try and distill your feelings onto everyone else. I will feel the way I do, and if what happened really bothers me.......you are the last person with any right to tell me that I am immature, or that I should be feeling a certain way.

I will respect that you aren't bothered by the past year, please respect that I was, and still am, extremely bothered that the most important band in my entire 55 year life (see...not young), is not the same. A band that was the backdrop to my life, my marriage, my children's lives, my extended family's lives and everything in between for me. I will never hear those 5 again, and that makes me sad. So get over your need to tell people how they are suppose to feel, and go somewhere that you don't have to be bothered by us. Or stick around, and have some patience and empathy.

[button-lip]

I think some of his sense of lack of closure boils down to his relationship with Stevie rather than his relationship with Fleetwood Mac per se. Many times in recent years (ever since The Dance, really), he's talked about his (musical and personal) relationship with her being a work in progress, and has said over and over that the two of them haven't written the final pages in that book—two young people who forged ahead together with musical dreams, and so on.

This abrupt separation from the band puts the close on any such hopes he had to satisfactorily complete his story vis-à-vis Stevie. I think at least some of his pain is right there. Thoughts?

Oh, I think a lot of his pain is right there, but he won't say it. He had tried for years to establish a somewhat healthy relationship with her, and after her mother died they got much closer. He probably thought it was the right time to ask for a new album, but Christine came back and in Stevie's mind that meant the end for her and Lindsey's close relationship, because of the obvious musical partnership between Lindsey and Christine.


This display of bitterness on Stevie's side towards him and his whole family (chidren, wife, brother, sister in law, nieces) did not sit well with him, I imagine. They have known each other for more than 50 years. I think he needs this sense of closure with her more than with Fleetwood Mac.

Just my 0.02

[elle]

I think some of his sense of lack of closure boils down to his relationship with Stevie rather than his relationship with Fleetwood Mac per se. Many times in recent years (ever since The Dance, really), he's talked about his (musical and personal) relationship with her being a work in progress, and has said over and over that the two of them haven't written the final pages in that book—two young people who forged ahead together with musical dreams, and so on.

This abrupt separation from the band puts the close on any such hopes he had to satisfactorily complete his story vis-à-vis Stevie. I think at least some of his pain is right there. Thoughts?

now you're starting to sound like a shipper all of the sudden. :p :]

i do think he cares and does want a nice peaceful closure with her. before everything is said and done and is probably unhappy they cannot reach a peace after everything they've been through together for so many years, good and bad. and she certainly can never stop talking about him with this joke probably being pretty close to reality -
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A dressing room with Stevie Nicks endlessly repeating her complaints about Lindsey Buckingham while a few dozen sycophants dressed like her from the 70's hang off her every word ?</p>&mdash; beneboy303 (@beneboy303) <a href="https://twitter.com/beneboy303/status/1093134636518117377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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but i think it's way larger than that - Fleetwood Mac was his life's work. his big project. and his family. people with whom he's been through so many ups and downs for decades. he was saying over and over on BuckVie tour how FM is family and how Christine came back where she belongs, that she was always family. he was so proud of Fleetwood Mac. it was home. when i first heard that he is out of the band, after hearing him talking about it so much on BuckVie tour in 2017, i knew immediately it cannot be his voluntary decision.

[secret love]

Well, just as you were responding to CBens post, I was responding to Mitzo's. Sometimes I do wonder if some of the folks around here who are so emotionally invested in this are just very young and haven't logged quite enough life experience yet to figure out what's a real priority. (Not saying you belong to that group, just a theory I considered about some of the reactions) Having dealt with a fair amount of tragedy in life, the line up changes of any band (particularly one with what, 19 different comings and goings now?) don't register as worth getting excited about to me. I've found things to like through all of it and I expect I will continue to do so. Have a good rest of your day BL.
Well said. Stop whingeing and enjoy the band. Or do not enjoy them. Follow Eagles instead, or B-52s. Oh wait. They've also had line up changes over the years. Maybe you could get into P!nk or Adele.

[button-lip]

Well said. Stop whingeing and enjoy the band. Or do not enjoy them. Follow Eagles instead, or B-52s. Oh wait. They've also had line up changes over the years. Maybe you could get into P!nk or Adele.

Or maybe YOU can go to enjoy your cover band full of a$$holes in the Present Band forum. This is the Rumours forum, so.... go, go, go!!!

[HomerMcvie]

Or maybe YOU can go to enjoy your cover band full of a$$holes in the Present Band forum. This is the Rumours forum, so.... go, go, go!!!

Ha, I usually forget that there IS a Present Band forum.


You know, since I have ZERO interest in a cover band full of a$$holes.:lol:

(I really don't)

[jbrownsjr]

Ha, I usually forget that there IS a Present Band forum.


You know, since I have ZERO interest in a cover band full of a$$holes.:lol:

(I really don't)

Christine McVie is not an a -hole. She's a beautiful elegant swan.

[HomerMcvie]

Christine McVie is not an a -hole. She's a beautiful elegant swan.

She should have saved her friend. Or at least tried.

I KNOW she could have saved the day.

"He's gone? I QUIT." I guarantee you that that would have solved the problem.

[cbBen]

"He's gone? I QUIT." I guarantee you that that would have solved the problem.

It would have been the right thing to do regardless.

[luminol]

- Tried to force Stevie's hand and cajole her into recording a studio album with Fleetwood Mac by recording eight songs with Mick and John shortly after her mother died. He then tried her to convince her to sing on these when she clearly did not want to and of course, he knew that all along.
- He wanted to intersperse solo shows with Fleetwood Mac shows. Hardly could say "stand with my band" on that front.
- Got so caught up in the lustful of appeal of new music that he forgot about the financial rewards of touring as well as the higher fan demand for touring versus new music.
- He got his wish and released a pseudo Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie and STILL was NOT satisfied and wanted to do a second album with Stevie involved. Pushed for this prior to the current tour, even when he knew it was not what she wanted and she had told him several (MANY) times why.

Wow. I am shocked to hear that anyone values a (repeat) tour of greatest hits over new music from a band that is considered "a favorite" of his/hers. I would take new music ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. ANY day. New albums are like Christmas for fans! If there's no new music to support, repeat tours are just.... whatever?? The same ole same ole, otherwise. Burn a lot of money for 2 hours of the same show you saw a few years back. Give me the new, fresh music please! And THEN tour for it! PRETTY PLEASE? They just seem $$ hungry and greedy touring without an album to support.

It boggles my mind that Stevie flat refuses to record new music. I do know why -- because she has nothing new to contribute creatively -- but it's incredible to me that she is a permanent road block for anything new labeled "Fleetwood Mac" because she's too embarrassed to show that LB and CM are the lasting creative forces and she's not. It would ruin her image. LB is quoted as saying they didn't call BuckVie a FM album out of respect for Stevie and the whole 5 of them as "Fleetwood Mac" (so painfully ironic how she canned him soon after given his respect for the R5). She could have joined them and chose not to because she was completely absorbed in her solo career throughout that time. Ironic that they're trying to point the finger at LB's solo career being the reason he was ousted. Stevie's solo career has interfered far more through the decades.

And as to LB weaving in solo shows between FM dates... that makes total sense to me. Why not if there are nights off between each gig? If he's got the stamina and means, literally, WHY NOT? It's practical and smart!

As for LB recording the songs soon after Stevie's mother died.... I mean, the man is prolific and wrote and recorded a bunch of songs as he's done most of his adult life. I'm sorry her mother died, no one wants that, but how is that offensive of him? He may have even thought it would be a healthy distraction for her to dive into new music (I would think it would be). Also a lot of times, loss/grief can generate a lot of new creative juices; it could have helped her with writers block and created some amazing songs from her pain. Obviously I have no idea what they discussed together, but I cannot see any wrong in him trying to get new music going. In my view, him trying to include Stevie is a sign of respect, not insult or disrespect.

I actually think the above is a pretty good crystallization of why the two sides on this issue will never see eye to eye.

If you're a fan of A BAND, and you're characterizing CREATING MUSIC as some sort of lesser endeavor to a massive arena tour in which they play songs we've all heard on numerous previous tours, how could you ever understand the frustrations of someone who puts that creative process first?

It's not as if Lindsey was demanding the band stop touring altogether and only record new music. He was saying, Let's do what we've always* done and put an album out first, then tour behind it. I personally know I'll never understand why that suddenly became such a burdensome ask from 2005-2018.

*Until 2009.

Agree 100%.

[HomerMcvie]

It would have been the right thing to do regardless.

I agree, 100%. Because she wouldn't have HAD to follow through. There was no way they were going to go out as just $tevie Nick'$ Fajita Roundup. They HAD to have Christine.

[elle]

She should have saved her friend. Or at least tried.

I KNOW she could have saved the day.

"He's gone? I QUIT." I guarantee you that that would have solved the problem.
we have no clue whether there's any truth to it but isn't that exactly what that one site claims happened? that she quit and left. disappeared for a week or 10 days. then somebody went after her (Mick? lawyers?), not clear whether somebody twisted her arm or Mick whined to get her into coming back.

[button-lip]

It boggles my mind that Stevie flat refuses to record new music. I do know why -- because she has nothing new to contribute creatively -- but it's incredible to me that she is a permanent road block for anything new labeled "Fleetwood Mac" because she's too embarrassed to show that LB and CM are the lasting creative forces and she's not. It would ruin her image.LB is quoted as saying they didn't call BuckVie a FM album out of respect for Stevie and the whole 5 of them as "Fleetwood Mac" (so painfully ironic how she canned him soon after given his respect for the R5). She could have joined them and chose not to because she was completely absorbed in her solo career throughout that time. Ironic that they're trying to point the finger at LB's solo career being the reason he was ousted. Stevie's solo career has interfered far more through the decades.



That's why I think he's absolutely done with them. And Christine should leave them too once this joke of a tour is over.

[secret love]

Wow. I am shocked to hear that anyone values a (repeat) tour of greatest hits over new music from a band that is considered "a favorite" of his/hers. I would take new music ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. ANY day. New albums are like Christmas for fans! If there's no new music to support, repeat tours are just.... whatever?? The same ole same ole, otherwise. Burn a lot of money for 2 hours of the same show you saw a few years back. Give me the new, fresh music please! And THEN tour for it! PRETTY PLEASE? They just seem $$ hungry and greedy touring without an album to support.

It boggles my mind that Stevie flat refuses to record new music. I do know why -- because she has nothing new to contribute creatively -- but it's incredible to me that she is a permanent road block for anything new labeled "Fleetwood Mac" because she's too embarrassed to show that LB and CM are the lasting creative forces and she's not. It would ruin her image. LB is quoted as saying they didn't call BuckVie a FM album out of respect for Stevie and the whole 5 of them as "Fleetwood Mac" (so painfully ironic how she canned him soon after given his respect for the R5). She could have joined them and chose not to because she was completely absorbed in her solo career throughout that time. Ironic that they're trying to point the finger at LB's solo career being the reason he was ousted. Stevie's solo career has interfered far more through the decades.

And as to LB weaving in solo shows between FM dates... that makes total sense to me. Why not if there are nights off between each gig? If he's got the stamina and means, literally, WHY NOT? It's practical and smart!

As for LB recording the songs soon after Stevie's mother died.... I mean, the man is prolific and wrote and recorded a bunch of songs as he's done most of his adult life. I'm sorry her mother died, no one wants that, but how is that offensive of him? He may have even thought it would be a healthy distraction for her to dive into new music (I would think it would be). Also a lot of times, loss/grief can generate a lot of new creative juices; it could have helped her with writers block and created some amazing songs from her pain. Obviously I have no idea what they discussed together, but I cannot see any wrong in him trying to get new music going. In my view, him trying to include Stevie is a sign of respect, not insult or disrespect.



Agree 100%.
Since my post appears to have come across as it was written by Stevie or Karen, let me clarify:
- I have presented the counter-argument to the Lindsey and his fans' argument.
- I do not express agreement or disagreement with the counter argument.
- However, I am sick of this being a one-sided argument about Saint Lindsey and how terrible (most of) the rest of the band are.
- Stevie is ABSOLUTELY wrong not to create new music. At the very least she should be writing brand new solo songs. Or recording My Mother's Rings.
- Touring is not evil. It is not our enemy. One wonderful night to remember still has value, and if it is filmed, a LIVE ALBUM also has much merit.

[HomerMcvie]

Since my post appears to have come across as it was written by Stevie or Karen, let me clarify:
- I have presented the counter-argument to the Lindsey and his fans' argument.
- I do not express agreement or disagreement with the counter argument.
- However, I am sick of this being a one-sided argument about Saint Lindsey and how terrible (most of) the rest of the band are.
- Stevie is ABSOLUTELY wrong not to create new music. At the very least she should be writing brand new solo songs. Or recording My Mother's Rings.
- Touring is not evil. It is not our enemy. One wonderful night to remember still has value, and if it is filmed, a LIVE ALBUM also has much merit.
May I ask you a personal question? Of which I'm truly curious?

How old are you? I'm not meaning that question all judgy or anything...but I'm guessing that you're fairly young. Aren't you?

[secondhandchain]

May I ask you a personal question? Of which I'm truly curious?

How old are you? I'm not meaning that question all judgy or anything...but I'm guessing that you're fairly young. Aren't you?

They still haven't learned that we are not "LB" fans. Many of us were fans of LB and Stevie, but Miss Tambourine Goat screwed that up.

[luminol]

They still haven't learned that we are not "LB" fans. Many of us were fans of LB and Stevie, but Miss Tambourine Goat screwed that up.

Exactly. I adored ALL of them, particularly LB and Stevie together and their chemistry and intricate history, then collectively rising above to create amazing music as an incredible band. No more. She did it to herself. I see my Stevie stuff now and it angers me so much I want to throw it all away. One of these days I will need extra space and it will be primed to go in the dumpster.

[secret love]

May I ask you a personal question? Of which I'm truly curious?

How old are you? I'm not meaning that question all judgy or anything...but I'm guessing that you're fairly young. Aren't you?

Age should be irrelevant and I feel foolish justifying this with a response. I'm 25.

[button-lip]

Since my post appears to have come across as it was written by Stevie or Karen, let me clarify:
- I have presented the counter-argument to the Lindsey and his fans' argument.
- I do not express agreement or disagreement with the counter argument.
- However, I am sick of this being a one-sided argument about Saint Lindsey and how terrible (most of) the rest of the band are.
- Stevie is ABSOLUTELY wrong not to create new music. At the very least she should be writing brand new solo songs. Or recording My Mother's Rings.
- Touring is not evil. It is not our enemy. One wonderful night to remember still has value, and if it is filmed, a LIVE ALBUM also has much merit.

We're not saying Lindsey is a saint, and this is not a one-sided argument. But the fact is... Lindsey was fired. By Stevie. And she justified her decision with a lie. And Mick backed her up. Because she means money and Lindsey doesn't. And John and Christine lowered their heads and said nothing. So, yeah, they're pretty much a bunch of a$$holes and until they do something to prove us wrong, I will continue believing the same thing.

Tough if some of you don't like it.

[lovethemac1]

We're not saying Lindsey is a saint, and this is not a one-sided argument. But the fact is... Lindsey was fired. By Stevie. And she justified her decision with a lie. And Mick backed her up. Because she means money and Lindsey doesn't. And John and Christine lowered their heads and said nothing. So, yeah, they're pretty much a bunch of a$$holes and until they do something to prove us wrong, I will continue believing the same thing.

Tough if some of you don't like it.

Hear, hear. Nailed it ^^^^^

[lovethemac1]

Exactly. I adored ALL of them, particularly LB and Stevie together and their chemistry and intricate history, then collectively rising above to create amazing music as an incredible band. No more. She did it to herself. I see my Stevie stuff now and it angers me so much I want to throw it all away. One of these days I will need extra space and it will be primed to go in the dumpster.

Nailed it as well, ^^^^^

[HomerMcvie]

Age should be irrelevant and I feel foolish justifying this with a response. I'm 25.

Okay, thank you. About a decade older than my guess.

[luminol]

We're not saying Lindsey is a saint, and this is not a one-sided argument. But the fact is... Lindsey was fired. By Stevie. And she justified her decision with a lie. And Mick backed her up. Because she means money and Lindsey doesn't. And John and Christine lowered their heads and said nothing. So, yeah, they're pretty much a bunch of a$$holes and until they do something to prove us wrong, I will continue believing the same thing.

Tough if some of you don't like it.

100% with you.

[mitzo]

We're not saying Lindsey is a saint, and this is not a one-sided argument. But the fact is... Lindsey was fired. By Stevie. And she justified her decision with a lie. And Mick backed her up. Because she means money and Lindsey doesn't. And John and Christine lowered their heads and said nothing. So, yeah, they're pretty much a bunch of a$$holes and until they do something to prove us wrong, I will continue believing the same thing.

Tough if some of you don't like it.

Got it, probably all true, but some of us are not as angered by it, we are more indifferent to the story.

[jmn3]

They still haven't learned that we are not "LB" fans. Many of us were fans of LB and Stevie, but Miss Tambourine Goat screwed that up.

You can tell them until your fingers hurt from typing it, and it never seems to register or it simply isn't believed.

I've always been a Fleetwood Mac fan. And quite honestly, while I've never been big on their solo careers, if I had to pick one, it was always Stevie's who appealed to me the most. Firing Lindsey ruined Fleetwood Mac for me. The manner in which it was handled was appalling. Not to mention, going to watch Mike Campbell butcher Gypsy or Neil Finn sing Go Your Own Way is simply not my cup of tea. The most interesting aspect of the setlist for me was Hypnotized. Neil sounded fantastic and it paid homage to one of the non-popular eras of Fleetwood Mac which have been neglected for decades. And naturally, they killed that. And I won't even dignify the covers in the show. Embarrassing.

I am not a Lindsey fan. I am not a Stevie fan. I am a Fleetwood Mac fan. What Mick and Stevie did put a feces stain on the last chapter of the Fleetwood Mac story. And unlike others here, I give very little deference to the McVies. They had every opportunity to put their foot down and instead they went along with Mick and Stevie - warm too little too late emails aside, Chris was just as complicit.

[bombaysaffires]

You can tell them until your fingers hurt from typing it, and it never seems to register or it simply isn't believed.

I've always been a Fleetwood Mac fan. And quite honestly, while I've never been big on their solo careers, if I had to pick one, it was always Stevie's who appealed to me the most. Firing Lindsey ruined Fleetwood Mac for me. The manner in which it was handled was appalling. Not to mention, going to watch Mike Campbell butcher Gypsy or Neil Finn sing Go Your Own Way is simply not my cup of tea. The most interesting aspect of the setlist for me was Hypnotized. Neil sounded fantastic and it paid homage to one of the non-popular eras of Fleetwood Mac which have been neglected for decades. And naturally, they killed that. And I won't even dignify the covers in the show. Embarrassing.

I am not a Lindsey fan. I am not a Stevie fan. I am a Fleetwood Mac fan. What Mick and Stevie did put a feces stain on the last chapter of the Fleetwood Mac story. And unlike others here, I give very little deference to the McVies. They had every opportunity to put their foot down and instead they went along with Mick and Stevie - warm too little too late emails aside, Chris was just as complicit.

:nod::(:mad:

[michelej1]

I am a Lindsey fan, but I wasn’t always. It was Stevie ‘s music that brought me into the band initially and, until they fired him, I was always a bigger FM fan than I was a Lindsey fan. Now, I hold them in contempt.

[secret love]

You can tell them until your fingers hurt from typing it, and it never seems to register or it simply isn't believed.

I've always been a Fleetwood Mac fan. And quite honestly, while I've never been big on their solo careers, if I had to pick one, it was always Stevie's who appealed to me the most. Firing Lindsey ruined Fleetwood Mac for me. The manner in which it was handled was appalling. Not to mention, going to watch Mike Campbell butcher Gypsy or Neil Finn sing Go Your Own Way is simply not my cup of tea. The most interesting aspect of the setlist for me was Hypnotized. Neil sounded fantastic and it paid homage to one of the non-popular eras of Fleetwood Mac which have been neglected for decades. And naturally, they killed that. And I won't even dignify the covers in the show. Embarrassing.

I am not a Lindsey fan. I am not a Stevie fan. I am a Fleetwood Mac fan. What Mick and Stevie did put a feces stain on the last chapter of the Fleetwood Mac story. And unlike others here, I give very little deference to the McVies. They had every opportunity to put their foot down and instead they went along with Mick and Stevie - warm too little too late emails aside, Chris was just as complicit.

Christine quickly quit the band for ten days. I wonder why she came back. Hey, if you want Christine, you can go back to your life of isolation and obscurity and staying at home, or you can sing with Mike and Neil and Stevie with us playing rhythm.
I wonder why she chose to stay with the new band.

[jmn3]

Christine quickly quit the band for ten days. I wonder why she came back. Hey, if you want Christine, you can go back to your life of isolation and obscurity and staying at home, or you can sing with Mike and Neil and Stevie with us playing rhythm.
I wonder why she chose to stay with the new band.

Right...this is why I said what I did. She’s as complicit as the others. Without her, this tour, which will be nothing more than a footnote in the bands history when all is said and done, doesn’t work at all if they don’t have Christine on board.

[SteveMacD]

She’s as complicit as the others.
She was never going to pick Lindsey over Mick and John. Maybe over Stevie, but not Mick and John. Christine was never going to turn her back on the band she’s been financially tied to for over 50 years.

Without her, this tour, which will be nothing more than a footnote in the bands history when all is said and done, doesn’t work at all if they don’t have Christine on board.

Without Christine, Fleetwood Mac in general doesn’t work and would have been a footnote in the history of rock when all is said and done.

[HomerMcvie]

She was never going to pick Lindsey over Mick and John. Maybe over Stevie, but not Mick and John. Christine was never going to turn her back on the band she’s been financially tied to for over 50 years.


Yeah, just like when she did a "duet" album with Lindsey, John, and Dick, when Old Goat Breath refused to join. Then toured with ONLY Lindsey for at least 6 months. You're right, she has no loyalty to him. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[bombaysaffires]

Christine quickly quit the band for ten days. I wonder why she came back. Hey, if you want Christine, you can go back to your life of isolation and obscurity and staying at home, or you can sing with Mike and Neil and Stevie with us playing rhythm.
I wonder why she chose to stay with the new band.

What are you referring to?