Lindsey and Christine then and now

[secret love]

If Christine died or was sick, Lindsey would automatically be asked to rejoin Fleetwood Mac...? Discuss.

[cbBen]

Or they'd close up shop.

[Conga]

Bit of a horrible thought atm. But I don't know, I doubt it.

[HomerMcvie]

Christine IS now frail.

Surely to god they wouldn't go on without Lindsey OR Christine.

I mean, Mick would, because he's a sleazy whore, but would they really call The Old Goat Breath Show, Fleetwood Mac?

[jmn3]

Pretty dark topic but I have to think Fleetwood Mac as a brand would suffer considerably without Christine and Lindsey. Only having one Fleetwood Mac singer and a bunch of other guys covering the rest of the set probably wouldn't work.

That said, I can't say Mick nor Stevie wouldn't think about it or give it a whirl...er..twirl.

[vivfox]

I mean, Mick would, because he's a sleazy whore

You never fail to make me laugh:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

You never fail to make me laugh:laugh:

:laugh: Thanks. I'm brutally honest!

No one has argued the point, either! :wavey:

[secondhandchain]

Christine IS now frail.

Surely to god they wouldn't go on without Lindsey OR Christine.

I mean, Mick would, because he's a sleazy whore, but would they really call The Old Goat Breath Show, Fleetwood Mac?

If Goat breath were to kick the bucket M$ck the money whore would probably stuff the goat and do a "Weekend at Stevies" tour.

[HomerMcvie]

If Goat breath were to kick the bucket M$ck the money whore would probably stuff the goat and do a "Weekend at Stevies" tour.

Preach!

I wouldn't put anything past that old sleazebag. He'd sell his dead Momma's panties for a nickel.

You know, I'd pay up see THAT tour! :lol::wavey:

[vivfox]

No one has argued the point either! :wavey:

That's true. Mick has no defenders. We all collectively laugh at him. And could you imagine the multiple bankruptcies? That alone is extremely pathetic.:laugh:

[secret love]

For all his faults (can't manage bands or money, lies through his teeth, can't play more than one instrument, is a terrible songwriter credited to the worst Fleetwood Mac song ever "These Strange Times"), Mick is a great orator and a wonderful showman.

[SteveMacD]

For all his faults (can't manage bands or money, lies through his teeth, can't play more than one instrument, is a terrible songwriter credited to the worst Fleetwood Mac song ever "These Strange Times"), Mick is a great orator and a wonderful showman.
Hell, “These Strange Times” isn’t even the worst song on “Time.” It’s curious that you bring this up right after saying he can’t play more than one instrument, since he played lead guitar on it.

Say what you want, but Mick held the band together and became their biggest cheerleaders. They made Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk when he was the manager. He may have been bad with money, but he certainly sought situations that fostered creativity without influence from the industry.

[BombaySapphire3]

Mick is a great orator and a wonderful showman.

He has family members who are Shakespearean actors..he may have missed his calling.

[HomerMcvie]

He has family members who are Shakespearean actors..he may have missed his calling.

I heard that Summer's Eve is looking for a new spokesman.

[SteveMacD]

If Christine died or was sick, Lindsey would automatically be asked to rejoin Fleetwood Mac...? Discuss.

No. I think Lindsey’s time in Fleetwood Mac is up.

If/when something happens to Christine, Fleetwood Mac will either disband or continue on with the surviving members, with Neil splitting between rhythm guitar and keyboards.

[jbrownsjr]

Is this a bad time to bring up that I like These Strange Times? :shrug:

[button-lip]

If Christine died or was sick, Lindsey would automatically be asked to rejoin Fleetwood Mac...? Discuss.

I think she will leave the band before dying or being sick. She's dissapointed at Stevie, so she can't be having a good time. She will fulfill her contract and then say goodbye. :wavey::wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

I think she will leave the band before dying or being sick. She's dissapointed at Stevie, so she can't be having a good time. She will fulfill her contract and then say goodbye. :wavey::wavey:

god I hope she leaves the band after this tour. Then it can officially be The Old Goat Breath Revue.

[elle]

i sure hope Christine leaves that sad useless Nicks-propping nostalgia boat and spends the time she still has creatively - she definitely still seems interested and has stuff to say!

so yeah maybe in 2020 when LB has his new album out and is done with his 2 different tours slated for 2019, and whatever touring current FM cover band version has still on the books should be all outta the way, maybe Chris and Linds will get together for a month and bang out another album as they did in 2014 and tour it. they certainly seem to work together seamlessly and their onstage fun together is contagious. :nod: :woohoo:

as for what happens with whatever version of the dinosaur nostalgia cover band will have at the time, nobody will care as most people don't even care now.

fun fact / dark humor but not unexpected - a fellow FM fan had this convo yesterday in a store:
Me: wearing a Fleetwood Mac shirt at Home Depot.
Cashier: "Sad that Lindsey Buckingham died"
Me: #*%^&($@@:&((&^%=#!!&**>_/#@@!!!!!

[BLY]

I think she will leave the band before dying or being sick. She's dissapointed at Stevie, so she can't be having a good time. She will fulfill her contract and then say goodbye. :wavey::wavey:


Yes, I I think this will be the end of the MAC after this tour. It is a shame this will be the way it will end without Lindsey. Stevie still sounds good and Christine has had her moments on this tour but without Buckingham there is no energy.

[nicepace]

I actually like "These Strange Times." But then again, I even like that weird poem thing at the end of 'Bare Trees.'

This thread makes me feel a great sadness that it took Christine 16 years to get over her fear of flying and rejoin the band.

[louielouie2000]

I also can’t imagine Christine touring with FM again in its current incarnation. But I also feel this current version of FM will not last beyond this tour. I still feel like this isn’t the end of FM, though... I just don’t think any of them can be okay with going out on such an unfortunate note.

[button-lip]

I also can’t imagine Christine touring with FM again in its current incarnation. But I also feel this current version of FM will not last beyond this tour. I still feel like this isn’t the end of FM, though... I just don’t think any of them can be okay with going out on such an unfortunate note.

Agree to all of this. They needed 6 months to wrap up a second MSG when Queen without Freddie Mercury did it in just 1 week of ticket sales. That's not good for a bank like FM. I don't see the European tour going beyond current dates. And there's only one reason for that: lack of enthusiam from fans all around the world.

They may be ok with Neil and Mick but I don't think any of them (not even Stevie) wants to end their FM days without Lindsey. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

I think there’s a lot of wishful thinking in this thread.

[button-lip]

Is this a bad time to bring up that I like These Strange Times? :shrug:

Christine is the best thing that happened to Time. Same with Behind the Mask. No wonder Lindsey wanted to make an album with her. Oh, wait, in fact he tried first with the whole band.

I guess we got lucky $tevie said 'no, no, no!!' :D

[SteveMacD]

Christine is the best thing that happened to Time. Same with Behind the Mask.
She’s the best thing to happen to Fleetwood Mac in general.

[luminol]

I think there’s a lot of wishful thinking in this thread.

Sadly, I agree. I want to believe in happier possibilities in the future but in reality, it's just wishful thinking to help ease the pain and frustration of the current situation.

She’s the best thing to happen to Fleetwood Mac in general.

As much as my knee jerk reaction is to argue this point in favor of LB, I can't. You're 100% right. Without Christine, this band sank in the early '70s.

[jbrownsjr]

Christine McVie is Fleetwood Mac. She's even on the early material before she was an official member. Her keyboard playing and singing can't be duplicated. She's truly original. I watched her last month at the Forum remain a force in the band even as aged as she is. She made it work.

Of course, she was Christine Perfect at the time of the early days. And, she's never been the band leader, nor has she wanted it. But, I respect what she's done for this band more than any other member.

She's actually on SYW, too. I wish they would have let her on SYW as a writer. It would have been a great double album. There's a lot of crap on SYW that could have been balanced edited, deleted or balanced out.

[cbBen]

not good for a bank like FM

Apropos typo.

[louielouie2000]

I think there’s a lot of wishful thinking in this thread.

Sadly, I agree. I want to believe in happier possibilities in the future but in reality, it's just wishful thinking to help ease the pain and frustration of the current situation.

In the 90s, a reunion of the Rumours band seemed an impossibility. Then after Christine left and became a hermit, her return seemed even more improbable. Which is exactly why I think Lindsey’s return is possible. Stevie made the ultimate power move and won. She’s now also the first woman to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame twice. She’s finally gotten the respect from the band and the industry. I can see Stevie inviting Lindsey back now that she’s made her point, with certain concessions of course. No more demands for a new album, etc.

I can also see Chris putting her foot down about Lindsey returning, too. His whole ouster was planned & executed behind her back. Chris had to of been p!ssed. I suspect she was already contractually obligated to the tour, or she might have shut down this whole cover band embarrassment. If Chris were to walk away from the band after this tour, FM would be over. And that most certainly wouldn’t be in any of their interests.

[cbBen]

I suspect she was already contractually obligated to the tour, or she might have shut down this whole cover band embarrassment. If Chris were to walk away from the band after this tour, FM would be over. And that most certainly wouldn’t be in any of their interests.

Either Stevie had so had it with Lindsey that she was prepared for this to be the last tour, or she didn't think ahead. I suspect the former.

Lindsey leveraged Christine's return to do what he had long wanted to do but couldn't: make an album with FM (or as much of it as he could get in the studio door).

Stevie likely did the same, but in her case the thing she had long wanted to do was get Lindsey out of the band.

[SteveMacD]

I can also see Chris putting her foot down about Lindsey returning, too. His whole ouster was planned & executed behind her back. Chris had to of been p!ssed. I suspect she was already contractually obligated to the tour, or she might have shut down this whole cover band embarrassment. If Chris were to walk away from the band after this tour, FM would be over. And that most certainly wouldn’t be in any of their interests.
OR, Christine could be enjoying the new lineup and tour and wants it to continue. I have zero doubt that she didn’t see the humor in what they did or that she misses Lindsey, but that doesn’t equate to not wanting to continue with the current situation.

[lovethemac1]

OR, Christine could be enjoying the new lineup and tour and wants it to continue. I have zero doubt that she didn’t see the humor in what they did or that she misses Lindsey, but that doesn’t equate to not wanting to continue with the current situation.

I think she's too saavy and experienced in the industry to not know what the skuttle butt is out there on this whole debacle. She seems too professional to agree with what happened. And I think the legacy means more to her now than it did in 1998, and she feels it's important. (just MHO)

[button-lip]

In the 90s, a reunion of the Rumours band seemed an impossibility. Then after Christine left and became a hermit, her return seemed even more improbable. Which is exactly why I think Lindsey’s return is possible. Stevie made the ultimate power move and won. She’s now also the first woman to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame twice. She’s finally gotten the respect from the band and the industry. I can see Stevie inviting Lindsey back now that she’s made her point, with certain concessions of course. No more demands for a new album, etc.

After what she did, I think she lost Lindsey's respect. And in addition, his whole family's (and I'm not talking about his wife and kids. I'm talking about the family that welcomed her into their house when she was a teenager).

I also don't think Lindsey will ask anything of her, IF he ever comes back. I think he lost all kind of enthusiasm in working with these people again. And what's the point of coming back if he has to do what she wants?

He's probably more interested in working with Christine (and only Christine) again. He said it many times in his M&G.


I can also see Chris putting her foot down about Lindsey returning, too. His whole ouster was planned & executed behind her back. Chris had to of been p!ssed. I suspect she was already contractually obligated to the tour, or she might have shut down this whole cover band embarrassment. If Chris were to walk away from the band after this tour, FM would be over. And that most certainly wouldn’t be in any of their interests.

She said to Lindsey that she was very dissapointed at Stevie.

[elle]

She’s finally gotten the respect from the band and the industry. I can see Stevie inviting Lindsey back now that she’s made her point, with certain concessions of course. No more demands for a new album, etc.
wow, you cannot be serious! she has less respect from the band now than she ever had. she made a power move and they had to eat it, for money, contracts, or whatever. that does not get you respect from your peers, when they watch you screw over one of you. it may get you fear that you are next maybe. power move like that gains you fear, but not respect.

and seriously? the only way Lindsey comes back is if Stevie grovels. NOT if Stevie makes demands of him. his whole lawsuit was about getting out the facts, and if you think he'd come back with his tail between legs you haven't been paying attention last year. and now you think he'd after what happened last year go back to appeasing Stevie - something that mostly got him a colossal waste of time for the last 20 years and ultimately ouster from the band.

OR, Christine could be enjoying the new lineup and tour and wants it to continue. I have zero doubt that she didn’t see the humor in what they did or that she misses Lindsey, but that doesn’t equate to not wanting to continue with the current situation.
:lol: now i'm completely sure Steve handed over his social media accounts to Karen.

He's probably more interested in working with Christine (and only Christine) again. He said it many times in his M&G.

She said to Lindsey that she was very dissapointed at Stevie.
yeah pretty sure he would like to work with her again. hope they get some time to do that.

[louielouie2000]

wow, you cannot be serious! she has less respect from the band now than she ever had. she made a power move and they had to eat it, for money, contracts, or whatever. that does not get you respect from your peers, when they watch you screw over one of you. it may get you fear that you are next maybe. power move like that gains you fear, but not respect.

and seriously? the only way Lindsey comes back is if Stevie grovels. NOT if Stevie makes demands of him. his whole lawsuit was about getting out the facts, and if you think he'd come back with his tail between legs you haven't been paying attention last year. and now you think he'd after what happened last year go back to appeasing Stevie - something that mostly got him a colossal waste of time for the last 20 years and ultimately ouster from the band.


:lol: now i'm completely sure Steve handed over his social media accounts to Karen.


yeah pretty sure he would like to work with her again. hope they get some time to do that.

When I say Stevie has finally garnered respect from the band, I don’t mean respect as a singer, songwriter, performer, or even as a person. I mean that they must suddenly respect her power. For decades Stevie was critically dismissed by both the music industry as well as her very own bandmates. No more. Fleetwood Mac was once run by Mick... then for many years it became a sort of democracy. Now, it’s a dictatorship ruled entirely by Stevie. Quite a coup for Stevie, as she rode in on Lindsey’s coattails... and has now fired him, and has the rest of the band at her complete mercy.

Regarding the band having to grovel to Lindsey to get him to return, maybe if this was 25 years ago. The interviews he’s done this past year have only impressed upon me how willing he would be to return to the band, and how much the band’s legacy means to him, and how he feels it’s important to wrap up the name Fleetwood Mac with a more dignified ending. He seems quite wistful, despite the childishly degrading way he was shown the door. And it’s not like the band has a long future before it, anyway. I think Lindsey knows it has one, maybe two additional tours left in it... and that he could put aside his creative disagreements long enough to close out the band in a respectful way.

[HomerMcvie]

When I say Stevie has finally garnered respect from the band, I don’t mean respect as a singer, songwriter, performer, or even as a person. I mean that they must suddenly respect her power. For decades Stevie was critically dismissed by both the music industry as well as her very own bandmates. No more. Fleetwood Mac was once run by Mick... then for many years it became a sort of democracy. Now, it’s a dictatorship ruled entirely by Stevie. Quite a coup for Stevie, as she rode in on Lindsey’s coattails... and has now fired him, and has the rest of the band at her complete mercy.

Regarding the band having to grovel to Lindsey to get him to return, maybe if this was 25 years ago. The interviews he’s done this past year have only impressed upon me how willing he would be to return to the band, and how much the band’s legacy means to him, and how he feels it’s important to wrap up the name Fleetwood Mac with a more dignified ending. He seems quite wistful, despite the childishly degrading way he was shown the door. And it’s not like the band has a long future before it, anyway. I think Lindsey knows it has one, maybe two additional tours left in it... and that he could put aside his creative disagreements long enough to close out the band in a respectful way.

I have no idea how in TF he could go back after this? WHO would go back after being treated like that? Sure, he wants the pay check and the fame of playing in front of 20K instead of 2K. But at this point in the game? I think he'd look bigger telling them to FO. Let them ride into the sunset as The Old Goat's cover band. I'm sure Chris, John, and even whore Mick are ashamed of how this played out. They should be! And as much as that's how our band SHOULD end, it's f*cked up beyond repair, IMO.

$tevie Nick$ is the worst thing that every happened to the artistry of FM.

[cbBen]

Maybe he goes back to reinforce the idea that the experiment excluding his was a mistake, and that the band acknowledges (even if only implicitly) that he is in fact irreplaceable – and to shore up the band's damaged legacy since, even though he had little to no part in damaging it, he cares about seeing it restored.

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe he goes back to reinforce the idea that the experiment excluding his was a mistake, and that the band acknowledges (even if only implicitly) that he is in fact irreplaceable – and to shore up the band's damaged legacy since, even though he had little to no part in damaging it, he cares about seeing it restored.

Would YOU go back, after worldwide embarrassment? I wouldn't. Not unless I really needed the money. And I'm sure he doesn't.

[button-lip]

Regarding the band having to grovel to Lindsey to get him to return, maybe if this was 25 years ago. The interviews he’s done this past year have only impressed upon me how willing he would be to return to the band, and how much the band’s legacy means to him, and how he feels it’s important to wrap up the name Fleetwood Mac with a more dignified ending. He seems quite wistful, despite the childishly degrading way he was shown the door. And it’s not like the band has a long future before it, anyway. I think Lindsey knows it has one, maybe two additional tours left in it... and that he could put aside his creative disagreements long enough to close out the band in a respectful way.

He seems willing to end his career with FM in a more dignified way. Yes, he's probably also doing it for the money, but I think he needs this closure with the band before going on with his solo work. He seems more focused in doing it for the fans and for himself than for the band.

I think all of them need to put aside their own agenda if they want this to work again. Not just Lindsey.

[HomerMcvie]

He seems willing to end his career with FM in a more dignified way. Yes, he's probably also doing it for the money, but I think he needs this closure with the band before going on with his solo work. He seems more focused in doing it for the fans and for himself than for the band.

I think all of them need to put aside their own agenda if they want this to work again. Not just Lindsey.

Do you see the Old Goat giving up her agenda? $he's the BO$$.

I will lose a LOT of respect for him if he goes back.

[David]

Would YOU go back, after worldwide embarrassment? I wouldn't. Not unless I really needed the money. And I'm sure he doesn't.
There's a weird syndrome at work in many of us in similar circumstances. I've known several people who were mistreated at work, left, and returned some time later when asked. You all undoubtedly know—are are—these people. In 1997, when Lindsey signed back in, it was different because Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine were all coming back after an absence, and the first time heralding the Holy Fivesome had a chilling effect on the spine because it was the first time. (Rolling Stone didn't just decide to give FM a 1997 cover story because those second-generation writers, swimming in hip-hop, post-grunge, and alternative, suddenly decided that Rhiannon and Say You Love Me were relevant. It was because that reunion and its subsequent commercial success were intended to be what they used to call a Happening in the sixties.)

But that wondrous sense of possibilities and healing and all that sh!t isn't really operative anymore, is it? Who wants to or needs to experience a Spiritual Reconvening of five rock stars a second time? Doesn't it begin to feel like a corny script at this point? Fleetwood Mac as the American Rock Dunciad?

In Lindsey's psyche, the band's legacy is going to have to remain unfulfilled. Lindsey should see his shrink—not rejoin Fleetwood Mac—to help him with closure.

[elle]

When I say Stevie has finally garnered respect from the band, I don’t mean respect as a singer, songwriter, performer, or even as a person. I mean that they must suddenly respect her power. For decades Stevie was critically dismissed by both the music industry as well as her very own bandmates. No more. Fleetwood Mac was once run by Mick... then for many years it became a sort of democracy. Now, it’s a dictatorship ruled entirely by Stevie. Quite a coup for Stevie, as she rode in on Lindsey’s coattails... and has now fired him, and has the rest of the band at her complete mercy.

Regarding the band having to grovel to Lindsey to get him to return, maybe if this was 25 years ago. The interviews he’s done this past year have only impressed upon me how willing he would be to return to the band, and how much the band’s legacy means to him, and how he feels it’s important to wrap up the name Fleetwood Mac with a more dignified ending. He seems quite wistful, despite the childishly degrading way he was shown the door. And it’s not like the band has a long future before it, anyway. I think Lindsey knows it has one, maybe two additional tours left in it... and that he could put aside his creative disagreements long enough to close out the band in a respectful way.
now this post i almost completely agree with!

except that last part - 2-3 tours?? that is 10 years!! he's 69. realistically he's got probably good 10 active years left, IF we are lucky. so why would he spend those 10 years doing nostalgia greatest hits tours? he's already done 2009, 2013, and 2014-15. how would 2 more such tours add anything to band's legacy? there's no reason whatsoever for him to return to what they became, however wistful he might be. he was treading water with them, still trying to do something - anything! - different from the nostalgia band circuit, and not succeeding, and they completely went off the deep end instead. so now they have 4th nostalgia tour in a row, and at least he's not wasting his time with it.

There's a weird syndrome at work in many of us in similar circumstances. I've known several people who were mistreated at work, left, and returned some time later when asked. You all undoubtedly know—are are—these people. In 1997, when Lindsey signed back in, it was different because Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine were all coming back after an absence, and the first time heralding the Holy Fivesome had a chilling effect on the spine because it was the first time. (Rolling Stone didn't just decide to give FM a 1997 cover story because those second-generation writers, swimming in hip-hop, post-grunge, and alternative, suddenly decided that Rhiannon and Say You Love Me were relevant. It was because that reunion and its subsequent commercial success were intended to be what they used to call a Happening in the sixties.)

But that wondrous sense of possibilities and healing and all that sh!t isn't really operative anymore, is it? Who wants to or needs to experience a Spiritual Reconvening of five rock stars a second time? Doesn't it begin to feel like a corny script at this point? Fleetwood Mac as the American Rock Dunciad?

In Lindsey's psyche, the band's legacy is going to have to remain unfulfilled. Lindsey should see his shrink—not rejoin Fleetwood Mac—to help him with closure.
thank you!

[HomerMcvie]

But that wondrous sense of possibilities and healing and all that sh!t isn't really operative anymore, is it? Who wants to or needs to experience a Spiritual Reconvening of five rock stars a second time? Doesn't it begin to feel like a corny script at this point? Fleetwood Mac as the American Rock Dunciad?

In Lindsey's psyche, the band's legacy is going to have to remain unfulfilled. Lindsey should see his shrink—not rejoin Fleetwood Mac—to help him with closure.

Exactly. It's not a new phenomenon for them to reconvene...again.


IMO, it's pathetic that he feels the need to, after that monumental disrespect the old goat handed him. I think everyone wants to "go out on top", playing to 20K people a night. But, HE NEEDS TO KNOW WHEN TO SAY WHEN. The sh*t was too deep this time, and Christine is close to not being able to do it any longer, so what's the point? Proving that he's the artistic alchemist behind their last 44 years(which he IS and was)? UNTIL the old goat gets pissed again, and throws another tantrum, and decides to fire him again? **** them, Lindsey. **** them.

[luminol]

My personal desire is for Chris to retire from FM after this and she and LB do one more BuckVie album and Tour. Plus whatever solo magic he’s willing to give us (albums and tours). No more FM.... sad but true. They don’t deserve him. And he doesn’t need that crap, not after how 2018 went down. Nope.

[vivfox]

Let them ride into the sunset as The Old Goat's cover band.even whore Mick

:lol::lol::lol::laugh:

[gldstwmn]

She said to Lindsey that she was very dissapointed at Stevie.

I'm sure she's disappointed in him for betraying her confidence.

[elle]

My personal desire is for Chris to retire from FM after this and she and LB do one more BuckVie album and Tour. Plus whatever solo magic he’s willing to give us (albums and tours). No more FM.... sad but true. They don’t deserve him. And he doesn’t need that crap, not after how 2018 went down. Nope.

all of this. :thumbsup:

2019 is for another leg of Solo Anthology tour, i guess with adding in Rock Away Blind and Countdown, maybe, although i don't want RAB to replace Rodeo. and then new album and tour it in the fall.

Chris and Lindsey should reconvene in 2020 and do another BuckVie album and tour.

[button-lip]

I'm sure she's disappointed in him for betraying her confidence.

Yeah, I have no doubt you know a lot about Lindsey and Christine’s relationship.

[lovethemac1]

I'm sure she's disappointed in him for betraying her confidence.

There is no way that Lindsey said anything about Christine that Christine did not want out there.

[mitzo]

Yeah, I have no doubt you know a lot about Lindsey and Christine’s relationship.

LOL everybody here seems to know all about it, why not Gldswmn too?

[HomerMcvie]

There is no way that Lindsey said anything about Christine that Christine did not want out there.

Agree 100%. He wouldn't do that to Christine.

[HomerMcvie]

LOL everybody here seems to know all about it, why not Gldswmn too?

$he might be more than a little bia$ed.:p:sorry::D

[button-lip]

There is no way that Lindsey said anything about Christine that Christine did not want out there.

Yeah, when you need to explain that, there’s no point in continuing the conversation. Especially when you have to read ridiculous posts from angry fans who can’t accept the fact that we were right from day one :rolleyes:

[MikeInNV]

$he might be more than a little bia$ed.:p:sorry::D

Sure, no other biased Ledgies around here. :rolleyes:

[button-lip]

Sure, no other biased Ledgies around here. :rolleyes:

I’m sure if one day I claim to know what Stevie thinks I’ll receive the same treatment :rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

I’m sure if one day I claim to know what Stevie thinks I’ll receive the same treatment :rolleyes:

I imagine her thoughts as being that of a dullard. And I'd wager accordingly. And most likely win. ;)

[elle]

Sure, no other biased Ledgies around here. :rolleyes:

the difference is - some people actually know some stuff, others are just making it up, and assume everyone else is just as clueless as them so they can sell whatever bs they come up with. :shrug:

plus, this particular argument has been around the block around here about 3 times already, and somehow some people never get enough of running stuff into the ground. no wonder some of us are sick and tired of this place. and yet, it's a nice place to store and share new info. and some people actually do appreciate the information vs a complete spin. :nod: