Stevie Delayed 2012 Tour, So Why Such Hostility When Lindsey Asked To Do The Same?

[cbBen]

Aside from being untrue or at least exaggerated with respect to the timeframe of the requested delay, the purported reason for Lindsey's firing (asking for a delay of the 2018 tour) contradicts how the band treated Stevie's similar request in 2012.

It’s clear from this interview that Fleetwood Mac had been planning to tour in 2012, but Stevie then decided to tour instead with her solo band (co-headlining with Rod Stewart) and to delay the Fleetwood Mac tour to 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXM_SjnfcE (1:30 mark)

This makes it all the more farcical for her and the rest of the band to suggest that no member has the right to ask the others to push back their collective tour plans.

Also, since Stevie used Brett Tuggle for her tour, she left Lindsey without his righthand man and put him in the position of not being able to tour with his own band (although Lindsey may have been just fine with that, and in fact eager to try a true solo show as he did in 2012).

[Storms123]

Aside from being untrue or at least exaggerated with respect to the timeframe of the requested delay, the purported reason for Lindsey's firing (asking for a delay of the 2018 tour) contradicts how the band treated Stevie's similar request in 2012.

It’s clear from this interview that Fleetwood Mac had been planning to tour in 2012, but Stevie then decided to tour instead with her solo band (co-headlining with Rod Stewart) and to delay the Fleetwood Mac tour to 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXM_SjnfcE (1:30 mark)

This makes it all the more farcical for her and the rest of the band to suggest that no member has the right to ask the others to push back their collective tour plans.

Also, since Stevie used Brett Tuggle for her tour, she left Lindsey without his righthand man and put him in the position of not being able to tour with his own band (although Lindsey may have been just fine with that, and in fact eager to try a true solo show as he did in 2012).

I definitely don’t want to resurrect old wounds. I think this just reinforces the utter BS tossed fans way earlier this year, as well as the total disregard FM has for their fans. This is 199% one woman flexing her muscles and seeing what people will let her get away with. She is the boss in this band too!

[Nicks Fan]

Perhaps someone can clear something up for me. Did FM ever plan a tour in 2008 that was delayed to 2009 because of Lindsey's Gift of Screws tour? Someone mentioned this to me on social media and for the life of me I cannot recall that at all.

As for the above post I feel that because she is the big draw in the band some people feel she has the right to dictate when they will or won't tour. Lindsey isn't a big draw so people don't see a point to him delaying tours for albums that won't sell and small crowds etc. Plus there is the whole age thing that people have talked about on social media. People think given their ages he shouldn't be delaying tours etc. On Facebook, Twitter etc I have seen comments that suggest what I posted above. In my opinion why is she given a a pass for delaying the 2012 tour, barely showing up for Tango recording sessions etc but he gets crapped on for the one time he allegedly asks for a delay. It seems very hypocritical.

[Nicks Fan]

The same with the set list. I got into arguments because people kept insisting the WHOLE band sacked him even though it was clearly Mick and Stevie's doing. When the discussion over the stale set lists was brought up people argued that even though Mick is the boss Lindsey has the final say in what they play which I don't believe. If Mick really cared to honor the work of prior FM members over the years then he could have put his foot down and demanded so. The truth is Mick is so concerned with money that he willingly went along with whatever the band wanted to do. It was SN who insisted that they play some real deep cuts for the current tour. He wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to play deep cuts.

You can't call Mick the boss but then say he isn't when it comes to the set list. If they were so tired of the same old same old they should have done something about it long ago (Especially when Lindsey was absent for 10 years).

[elle]

maybe Lindsey and Christine inisisted they do some BuckVie tunes this time around, so the setlist is not as stale or set in ancient past as it usually is.

we can imagine how that type of demand would not go over well. :laugh:

frankly though, i don't think they ever even came to discussing setlists, but you never know. we do know Lindsey has been frustrated with GH tours and stale setlists forever and was trying to find something - anything - to be different from tour to tour. for starters, this year's tour could have had 2 BuckVie songs that were never performed before - Carnival Begins and On With The Show - both songs that are very much about Fleetwood Mac.

[cbBen]

Perhaps someone can clear something up for me. Did FM ever plan a tour in 2008 that was delayed to 2009 because of Lindsey's Gift of Screws tour?

According to his 2008 interview on A&E's "Private Sessions" program, after the 2003-04 tour Lindsey asked the band for four years to release and tour two albums through 2008, and the band agreed. I can't find the interview, but recall his statement to this effect.

[cbBen]

maybe Lindsey and Christine inisisted they do some BuckVie tunes this time around, so the setlist is not as stale or set in ancient past as it usually is.

we can imagine how that type of demand would not go over well. :laugh:


When I saw CSN in 2004 they played material from the new Crosby-Nash album, even though Stephen was not part of that album.

[elle]

According to his 2008 interview on A&E's "Private Sessions" program, after the 2003-04 tour Lindsey asked the band for four years to release and tour two albums through 2008, and the band agreed. I can't find the interview, but recall his statement to this effect.

yes. and that was after Lindsey gave up opn band recording another album of new music in fast succession after Say You Will, and realized he will have to continue using solo avenue if he wants to keep releasing new music. anyone who actually watches Destiny Rules doc could see that LB was hoping SYW could be a new start, kinda like Tusk, and that Fleetwood Mac could actually be a creative band. "commercial gods" followers quickly put a stop on that.

[elle]

When I saw CSN in 2004 they played material from the new Crosby-Nash album, even though Stephen was not part of that album.

just shows what reasonable bands and people can do. :nod:

[SteveMacD]

just shows what reasonable bands and people can do. :nod:
:laugh:

I guess you didn’t get the memo that they recently had an ugly split. You should read the “words of affection” Graham Nash is saying about David Crosby these days.

[SteveMacD]

There’s a hell of a lot of nuance between 2012 and this past year. It’s a very different equation. Stevie wanted to extend the tour she was already on behind an album of new material that was already out. FWIW, Mick very publicly called her out on it.

That was six years ago. Since then, John has survived cancer and Christine (the oldest) came out of retirement.

[elle]

There’s a hell of a lot of nuance between 2012 and this past year. It’s a very different equation. Stevie wanted to extend the tour she was already on behind an album of new material that was already out. FWIW, Mick very publicly called her out on it.

That was six years ago. Since then, John has survived cancer and Christine (the oldest) came out of retirement.

i think many here and on other social media wonder how are you not tired of offering those same ole arguments over and over. if someone was paying you for trying so hard, i guess i'd understand. :shrug: :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

i think many here and on other social media wonder how are you not tired of offering those same ole arguments over and over. if someone was paying you for trying so hard, i guess i'd understand. :shrug: :xoxo:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
:D

[Storms123]

It's so hard to be a fan of this bunch.

[jmn3]

i think many here and on other social media wonder how are you not tired of offering those same ole arguments over and over. if someone was paying you for trying so hard, i guess i'd understand. :shrug: :xoxo:

Steve’s ability to continuously try to justify or explain the last year of Fleetwood Mac drama is purely amazing.

[Storms123]

Steve’s ability to continuously try to justify or explain the last year of Fleetwood Mac drama is purely amazing.

Well, the sky in her world is not necessarily the same color the rest of us see when we look up. I do look forward to listening to her unwind it. It should be epic, as most of her revisionist history is. BTW I feel the need to say this, but I adore her, but with the events of the last year, she's really gone above and beyond

[Macfan4life]

OMG
This was mentioned 4,679,320 times in over 2,785,521 threads about Lindsey's firing
Why are we saying this over and over?

:eek:


Yes the band treats Stevie different.
Yes Stevie is held to different standards

Its all about the money she brings to the band.

Can we move on?

[HomerMcvie]

OMG
This was mentioned 4,679,320 times in over 2,785,521 threads about Lindsey's firing
Why are we saying this over and over?

:eek:


Yes the band treats Stevie different.
Yes Stevie is held to different standards

Its all about the money she brings to the band.

Can we move on?

Not until someone has doused the witch in holy water, ending this ****ing fiasco.

IT.IS.UNFORGIVABLE. We won't move on.:sorry:

[bombaysaffires]

yes. and that was after Lindsey gave up opn band recording another album of new music in fast succession after Say You Will, and realized he will have to continue using solo avenue if he wants to keep releasing new music. anyone who actually watches Destiny Rules doc could see that LB was hoping SYW could be a new start, kinda like Tusk, and that Fleetwood Mac could actually be a creative band. "commercial gods" followers quickly put a stop on that.

not to mention that that man lied to her... the gods did NOT answer her.

The song was not a hit.

[cbBen]

His giving them the impression he saw commercial potential in that song should have been a red flag pushing them to the other label.

[TheWildHeart67]

There are dozens of threads and posts talking about this.
Why start yet another thread?

[David]

Fleetwood Mac obviously needed a clever project manager—someone to make some band-centric decisions and lay down the law (otherwise known as Hobson's choice)—after 1980. "Your tour schedule conflicts with the band's schedule. Guess who wins?"

Solo activities started in 1980–81 as an outlet for Fleetwood Macsters to let off a little steam and find their center (even though there had been a few solo projects during earlier incarnations). But those activities wound up toxifying the band until finally the group paid a heavy price for all the individuals running off on their own. It entered a state of suspended animation—much of its audience (and maybe even a few of its members) thought repeatedly that it was dead.

All of the maneuvering over the years to get the band back into a room together again was nothing but a lot of wasted energy. It's no wonder nobody enjoyed the recording or the touring. The finagling of schedules drained everybody. The moment you saw your fellow Macsters at the airport on the eve of a tour, you were already sick of them.

[Macfan4life]

Fleetwood Mac obviously needed a clever project manager—someone to make some band-centric decisions and lay down the law (otherwise known as Hobson's choice)—after 1980. "Your tour schedule conflicts with the band's schedule. Guess who wins?"

Solo activities started in 1980–81 as an outlet for Fleetwood Macsters to let off a little steam and find their center (even though there had been a few solo projects during earlier incarnations). But those activities wound up toxifying the band until finally the group paid a heavy price for all the individuals running off on their own. It entered a state of suspended animation—much of its audience (and maybe even a few of its members) thought repeatedly that it was dead.

All of the maneuvering over the years to get the band back into a room together again was nothing but a lot of wasted energy. It's no wonder nobody enjoyed the recording or the touring. The finagling of schedules drained everybody. The moment you saw your fellow Macsters at the airport on the eve of a tour, you were already sick of them.
I will take your point either further. This "suspended animation" really impacted the music.

Mirage was an over correction from Tusk. Very commercial and SAFE. It also was vital to the band to have a successful #1 album to almost counter Bella Donna.


Tango had even more pressure to be a commercial success. Its pure bubble gum pop even more than Mirage. Plus the suspended animation only allowed Stevie to spend very little time on the album.


I am not trashing Mirage and Tango. But just imagine the music we could have gotten if the band did not feel the pressure to be commercial pop successful. When members are having extremely successful solo careers......they are not going to waste time and go back to the band if their music is not commercially successful. The White album, Rumours, and Tusk were much more organic and did not feel the fester and pressure to sell albums to counter solo careers.

[Macfan4life]

There are dozens of threads and posts talking about this.
Why start yet another thread?
Have you not heard or read? It must not stop until the wicked witch is dead, splashed with holy water or a full court exorcism.

Read further up ….


It reminds me of the movie THE RING
just when you think it's safe....it begins again and will never end
I think they needed an exorcism in that movie too :eek:

Not to scare anyone but I was watching Current Band concerts on youtube. Soon after Second Hand News the phone rang. "a whispering....Seven Wonders" No sh*t. If Stevie crawls out of my computer screen, I'm suing !

[secret love]

Aside from being untrue or at least exaggerated with respect to the timeframe of the requested delay, the purported reason for Lindsey's firing (asking for a delay of the 2018 tour) contradicts how the band treated Stevie's similar request in 2012.

It’s clear from this interview that Fleetwood Mac had been planning to tour in 2012, but Stevie then decided to tour instead with her solo band (co-headlining with Rod Stewart) and to delay the Fleetwood Mac tour to 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXM_SjnfcE (1:30 mark)

This makes it all the more farcical for her and the rest of the band to suggest that no member has the right to ask the others to push back their collective tour plans.

Also, since Stevie used Brett Tuggle for her tour, she left Lindsey without his righthand man and put him in the position of not being able to tour with his own band (although Lindsey may have been just fine with that, and in fact eager to try a true solo show as he did in 2012).

What a misrepresentation. Poor Lindsey, doesn't have a pianist. Because pianists are such a rare breed these days. I mean, nobody plays piano anymore. Oh wait, what's that my friend is telling me? Even Stevie Nicks plays piano! And how could I forget? I also play piano! And Lindsey Buckingham plays it too. And so many others.

So on your other point - it is completely true and fair.
Stevie knew the four (three, sorry) other members wanted to tour in 2012 to mark the exact 35th anniversary of Rumours. She asked - or more likely, just told them how it was - for a delay of one year and got her wish. Rude, selfish, and totally not worth it, from what I hear the 2012 Heart and Soul Tour with Rod sucked.
Lindsey has never had much chutzpah in the band, never had any say except for in the studio... oh, and on tour as well, organising setlists and running orders of albums... hmm...

[vivfox]

So on your other point - it is completely true and fair.
Stevie knew the four (three, sorry) other members wanted to tour in 2012 to mark the exact 35th anniversary of Rumours. She asked - or more likely, just told them how it was - for a delay of one year and got her wish. Rude, selfish, and totally not worth it, from what I hear the 2012 Heart and Soul Tour with Rod sucked.
Lindsey has never had much chutzpah in the band, never had any say except for in the studio... oh, and on tour as well, organising setlists and running orders of albums... hmm...


So do you think they were gonna tell her to eff off? Fire the old witch from the band? And then without her go play to crowds of one thousand people or less.
You're just going to have to accept, whether you like it or not, that FM cannot successfully continue unless Stevie Nicks is in the band. She can ask for another 3 years off after this tour and they will still be waiting for her when she returns.

[HomerMcvie]

So do you think they were gonna tell her to eff off? Fire the old witch from the band? And then without her go play to crowds of one thousand people or less.
You're just going to have to accept, whether you like it or not, that FM cannot successfully continue unless Stevie Nicks is in the band. She can ask for another 3 years off after this tour and they will still be waiting for her when she returns.
THAT is the cold hard truth.

Love her or hate her, $he is the seat filler.

Old hag. :D

[sue]

THAT is the cold hard truth.

Love her or hate her, $he is the seat filler.

Old hag. :D


Careful.....I know it’s Christmas, but you’re almost polite a about Ste..
sorry the Old Hag

[elle]

THAT is the cold hard truth.

Love her or hate her, $he is the seat filler.


SN name fills half of the arena, FM brand fills the other half.

no-brand-name Buckingham McVie filled 3-5000 sheds same way as current FM is filling arenas (ie having somewhat of a hard time, same as Nicks / Pretenders girl-power-bill was having somewhat of a hard time filling arenas).

so while Nicks name is the only recognizable among the classic 5 in the US, let's stay real. saying FM brand would barely fill 1k seaters is a complete and utter bs and people throw that out there just to belittle the band.

plus, it always surprises me how some fans here seem to take the stand of what's best for the band /managers, and not what's best for the fans. y'all want to pay through the nose for a boring GH arena show, instead of seing your favorite in a more intimate setting doing more of their interesting deep cuts or new songs. i will never understand that. i will always prefer LB solo than LB with FM, there are so many more interesting tracks i can hear from him solo, plus he is so much more free to go off the cuff in that setting. lucky for fans like me, it looks like he's NGBA! :woohoo: :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

SN name fills half of the arena, FM brand fills the other half.

no-brand-name Buckingham McVie filled 3-5000 sheds same way as current FM is filling arenas (ie having somewhat of a hard time, same as Nicks / Pretenders girl-power-bill was having somewhat of a hard time filling arenas).

so while Nicks name is the only recognizable among the classic 5 in the US, let's stay real. saying FM brand would barely fill 1k seaters is a complete and utter bs and people throw that out there just to belittle the band.

plus, it always surprises me how some fans here seem to take the stand of what's best for the band /managers, and not what's best for the fans. y'all want to pay through the nose for a boring GH arena show, instead of seing your favorite in a more intimate setting doing more of their interesting deep cuts or new songs. i will never understand that. i will always prefer LB solo than LB with FM, there are so many more interesting tracks i can hear from him solo, plus he is so much more free to go off the cuff in that setting. lucky for fans like me, it looks like he's NGBA! :woohoo: :thumbsup:
I'll always be thankful that my last FM album, and last two FM shows were GOAT FREE. I'll never forget either show, and the love that was felt there.

$he ruined FM, you know.

Old hag.

[annabellee]

I'll always be thankful that my last FM album, and last two FM shows were GOAT FREE. I'll never forget either show, and the love that was felt there.

$he ruined FM, you know.

Old hag.

Kinda like you ruined this board with your bitterness instead of mourning and moving on. GOAT = Greatest of all Time as illustrated by her induction into the RRHOF.

[sue]

Kinda like you ruined this board with your bitterness instead of mourning and moving on. GOAT = Greatest of all Time as illustrated by her induction into the RRHOF.

Chill, rise above....
He’s funny, maybe ...

[button-lip]

So do you think they were gonna tell her to eff off? Fire the old witch from the band? And then without her go play to crowds of one thousand people or less.
You're just going to have to accept, whether you like it or not, that FM cannot successfully continue unless Stevie Nicks is in the band. She can ask for another 3 years off after this tour and they will still be waiting for her when she returns.

And because most of FM fans KNOW that, this last tour wasn't successful under FM standards of success. 3 Forums is not the same as 5. Same with MSG, same with the European leg and the non existant Australian leg. We all know that, and that's why many fans chose to give FM their backs. That's what hurt them the most: poor ticket sales (again, under FM standards).


I'll always be thankful that my last FM album, and last two FM shows were GOAT FREE. I'll never forget either show, and the love that was felt there.

$he ruined FM, you know.

Old hag.


Oh, she ruined it indeed. But she doesn't care. Because she was inducted, you know. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: None of them care. Christine maybe. I really hope she said goodbye after the end of this tour.

[HomerMcvie]

Kinda like you ruined this board with your bitterness instead of mourning and moving on. GOAT = Greatest of all Time as illustrated by her induction into the RRHOF.

Settle down, Beavis.

Greatest of all time, my ass. As a singer, $he's a JOKE.

[Storms123]

And because most of FM fans KNOW that, this last tour wasn't successful under FM standards of success. 3 Forums is not the same as 5. Same with MSG, same with the European leg and the non existant Australian leg. We all know that, and that's why many fans chose to give FM their backs. That's what hurt them the most: poor ticket sales (again, under FM standards).





Oh, she ruined it indeed. But she doesn't care. Because she was inducted, you know. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: None of them care. Christine maybe. I really hope she said goodbye after the end of this tour.



A lot of interesting points here. Ones I've been kicking around for the last few months. I totally agree--ticket sales for this tour are not up to FM standards. Yes they are selling, but scalpers were on the hook here and folks in the back of the arena were getting upgraded to better seats so it doesn't look so empty up front. Folks that would normally pay to be up front just aren't. Folks (even supporters of this lineup) are saying they aren't willing to pay the prices for this tour. If this is their "Farewell Tour" I would say it's not a success by "Farewell Tour" standards. They are not even going to Australia (as of yet) and one of their ringers is a local. Mick himself has said the band still needs to tighten some things up here. They are pulling out the songs that made this tour appealing, and new and different. I would have to think Mick will want one more tour --Christine could say she's out unless LB is back. I wouldn't be surprised. She's got nothing to lose. Azoff might be able to strong arm Stevie here too to make it happen.

[annabellee]

Settle down, Beavis.

Greatest of all time, my ass. As a singer, $he's a JOKE.

$he can buy and $ell you, but $till you obsess. Butthead.

[button-lip]

$he can buy and $ell you, but $till you obsess. Butthead.

That doesn't make her a great artist. Or a decent human being. Just a woman with money. :shrug::shrug::shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

That doesn't make her a great artist. Or a decent human being. Just a woman with money. :shrug::shrug::shrug:

People are attracted to the lowest common denominator. I don't give AF if $he's a billionaire, $he's still a nasty human being.

[elle]

it's interesting to read people's posts still being puzzled why are most hardcore FM fans not "moving on". in order to move on you gotta have some type of closure. we had band's lies and then Lindsey's lawsuit with a very different version of what happened. and then band settling lawsuit as fast as they could (after bsing "we will see you in court! :laugh:), in a way that gave Lindsey most of what he asked for which tells you he had a great case - he was right & they were wrong.

so in order to move on, band would have to apologize to Lindsey and eat back their lies. Stevie and Mick in particular.

that would provide a closure, to be able to move on. :thumbsup:

[secondhandchain]

$he can buy and $ell you, but $till you obsess. Butthead.

This is what GOAT means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms&t=65s

[secondhandchain]

People are attracted to the lowest common denominator. I don't give AF if $he's a billionaire, $he's still a nasty human being.

You forgot a nasty human being with goat breath.

[secondhandchain]

Not until someone has doused the witch in holy water, ending this ****ing fiasco.

IT.IS.UNFORGIVABLE. We won't move on.:sorry:

She ruined the Rumours 5 (notice the title of this forum) and they want us to move on.....NOT happening.

[HomerMcvie]

She ruined the Rumours 5 (notice the title of this forum) and they want us to move on.....NOT happening.

Exactly. Thank you! :xoxo:

They can want in one hand, and sh*t in the other, and see which one fills up first. Please pardon the hillbilly euphemism...

[StreetAngel86]

Steve’s ability to continuously try to justify or explain the last year of Fleetwood Mac drama is purely amazing.

are you sure "steve" is a real person ... and not really an "i" short of STEVIE ... :shocked::lol:

[jmn3]

it's interesting to read people's posts still being puzzled why are most hardcore FM fans not "moving on". in order to move on you gotta have some type of closure. we had band's lies and then Lindsey's lawsuit with a very different version of what happened. and then band settling lawsuit as fast as they could (after bsing "we will see you in court! :laugh:), in a way that gave Lindsey most of what he asked for which tells you he had a great case - he was right & they were wrong.

so in order to move on, band would have to apologize to Lindsey and eat back their lies. Stevie and Mick in particular.

that would provide a closure, to be able to move on. :thumbsup:

Yeah I guess I don't understand this whole "get over it" comment. I can't imagine this same group of posters getting over it if they decided to fire Stevie in 2012 (or in 2018). Their next step is to characterize everyone who hasn't gotten over it as some sort of "Lindsey superfan," and while that is the case for some people, I think it's a pretty broad label to apply. I am a Fleetwood Mac fan first and foremost - I've long considered the fivesome to be significantly superior together than any have been without the others. I am not ready to just "get over it" and it has nothing to do with me taking sides in the Lindsey vs. Stevie ridiculousness. It has to do with the fact that my favorite band is now parading around the country with two new members who have nothing to do with the band's catalog because the remaining band members felt one of the five was simply replaceable. And the fact that they can go out with the Fleetwood Mac brand and play to large crowds with basically anybody with ability playing and singing Lindsey's part says more about the fanbase than anything else. I don't want to see anybody replacing any of these people in Fleetwood Mac at this point in time.

This has not taken over my existence as some of the posters would imply when these threads inevitably keep showing up - my life is just fine and generally not impacted in any way by the shenanigans of Fleetwood Mac (aside from saving money). But when I come to The Ledge, I sure as hell am not just going to ignore the gigantic elephant in the room - this is where I come to talk to other rabid Fleetwood Mac fans about what's going on in Fleetwood Mac. Quite honestly, Lindsey being fired is the most insane and newsworthy thing to happen since The Dance. I suspect this "little" topic will define most rabid FM fan conversations for a long time.

[jmn3]

are you sure "steve" is a real person ... and not really an "i" short of STEVIE ... :shocked::lol:

Now wouldn’t that be the plot twist to end all Fleetwood Mac plot twists! :laugh:

[Storms123]

Yeah I guess I don't understand this whole "get over it" comment. I can't imagine this same group of posters getting over it if they decided to fire Stevie in 2012 (or in 2018). Their next step is to characterize everyone who hasn't gotten over it as some sort of "Lindsey superfan," and while that is the case for some people, I think it's a pretty broad label to apply. I am a Fleetwood Mac fan first and foremost - I've long considered the fivesome to be significantly superior together than any have been without the others. I am not ready to just "get over it" and it has nothing to do with me taking sides in the Lindsey vs. Stevie ridiculousness. It has to do with the fact that my favorite band is now parading around the country with two new members who have nothing to do with the band's catalog because the remaining band members felt one of the five was simply replaceable. And the fact that they can go out with the Fleetwood Mac brand and play to large crowds with basically anybody with ability playing and singing Lindsey's part says more about the fanbase than anything else. I don't want to see anybody replacing any of these people in Fleetwood Mac at this point in time.

This has not taken over my existence as some of the posters would imply when these threads inevitably keep showing up - my life is just fine and generally not impacted in any way by the shenanigans of Fleetwood Mac (aside from saving money). But when I come to The Ledge, I sure as hell am not just going to ignore the gigantic elephant in the room - this is where I come to talk to other rabid Fleetwood Mac fans about what's going on in Fleetwood Mac. Quite honestly, Lindsey being fired is the most insane and newsworthy thing to happen since The Dance. I suspect this "little" topic will define most rabid FM fan conversations for a long time.

I agree and would take it a step further it will be the epitaph on the band. Rumours 5 was the most successful lineup of the band--it what was meant to be a successful farewell tour--they fired one of the 5. Even if they were to record with Mike and Neil--I do believe the news of LB's firing will really be the final story.

[Nicks Fan]

I agree and would take it a step further it will be the epitaph on the band. Rumours 5 was the most successful lineup of the band--it what was meant to be a successful farewell tour--they fired one of the 5. Even if they were to record with Mike and Neil--I do believe the news of LB's firing will really be the final story.

Completely agree. No matter what happens what people will remember is the firing of Lindsey. They won't fondly recall any or all tours or new albums. What will be remembered is his firing. Any new music they make will be compared to what Lindsey produced on previous efforts.

[Nicks Fan]

Yeah I guess I don't understand this whole "get over it" comment. I can't imagine this same group of posters getting over it if they decided to fire Stevie in 2012 (or in 2018). Their next step is to characterize everyone who hasn't gotten over it as some sort of "Lindsey superfan," and while that is the case for some people, I think it's a pretty broad label to apply. I am a Fleetwood Mac fan first and foremost - I've long considered the fivesome to be significantly superior together than any have been without the others. I am not ready to just "get over it" and it has nothing to do with me taking sides in the Lindsey vs. Stevie ridiculousness. It has to do with the fact that my favorite band is now parading around the country with two new members who have nothing to do with the band's catalog because the remaining band members felt one of the five was simply replaceable. And the fact that they can go out with the Fleetwood Mac brand and play to large crowds with basically anybody with ability playing and singing Lindsey's part says more about the fanbase than anything else. I don't want to see anybody replacing any of these people in Fleetwood Mac at this point in time.

This has not taken over my existence as some of the posters would imply when these threads inevitably keep showing up - my life is just fine and generally not impacted in any way by the shenanigans of Fleetwood Mac (aside from saving money). But when I come to The Ledge, I sure as hell am not just going to ignore the gigantic elephant in the room - this is where I come to talk to other rabid Fleetwood Mac fans about what's going on in Fleetwood Mac. Quite honestly, Lindsey being fired is the most insane and newsworthy thing to happen since The Dance. I suspect this "little" topic will define most rabid FM fan conversations for a long time.


I agree. I am a rabid FM fan and I don't like how people assume that just because I support Lindsey that I am some rabid Lindsey who hates the other members of FM because I don't. I am mad at SN for what happened but I don't hate her. Ticket sales haven't been great by FM standards. If people from crappy seats are being moved up to much better seats what does that tell you.

His firing isn't going to ruin my life or anything. I know there are bigger problems in the world but this still bugs me. I come here to have rational discussions on his firing.

Social Media is very bad though as the endless FM groups etc have tons of crazed SN fans. They are bat**** crazy and defend her to the ends of the earth. They have an excuse for everything and Lindsey is to blame for everything.

[secret love]

SN name fills half of the arena, FM brand fills the other half.

no-brand-name Buckingham McVie filled 3-5000 sheds same way as current FM is filling arenas (ie having somewhat of a hard time, same as Nicks / Pretenders girl-power-bill was having somewhat of a hard time filling arenas).

so while Nicks name is the only recognizable among the classic 5 in the US, let's stay real. saying FM brand would barely fill 1k seaters is a complete and utter bs and people throw that out there just to belittle the band.

plus, it always surprises me how some fans here seem to take the stand of what's best for the band /managers, and not what's best for the fans. y'all want to pay through the nose for a boring GH arena show, instead of seing your favorite in a more intimate setting doing more of their interesting deep cuts or new songs. i will never understand that. i will always prefer LB solo than LB with FM, there are so many more interesting tracks i can hear from him solo, plus he is so much more free to go off the cuff in that setting. lucky for fans like me, it looks like he's NGBA! :woohoo: :thumbsup:
Elle, mistakenly, and for a long time too, I believed that Lindsey solo was all paranoid noise like Murrow and Go Insane (acoustic) and I'm So Afraid. Then he got fired from the band and released what is now my favourite solo collection of any member of this band. Favourites: Don't Look Down, Go Insane (album version), Hunger, Ride This Road, It's Not Too Late... all fantastic.

The 2013 love fest "Without You" tour was not a sham, in my view. Something changed and not just his so-called hateful smirk at Music Cares. Not just his disdain for the intro music being a Stevie Nicks song. I really think they had a major falling out ...maybe about the boring setlists and he didn't want to include stuff like Oh Well (Remember Mick said they would play Oh Well on 2013 European leg, then they never did) or Black Magic Woman, or Free Fallin' Tom Petty tribute. This is a major point of difference between the last 2014-15 tour and the 2018-19 tour... blues music has finally been included again, and a lot of new and older fans are very happy about that.

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The 2013 love fest "Without You" tour was not a sham, in my view. Something changed and not just his so-called hateful smirk at Music Cares. Not just his disdain for the intro music being a Stevie Nicks song. I really think they had a major falling out ...maybe about the boring setlists and he didn't want to include stuff like Oh Well (Remember Mick said they would play Oh Well on 2013 European leg, then they never did) or Black Magic Woman, or Free Fallin' Tom Petty tribute. This is a major point of difference between the last 2014-15 tour and the 2018-19 tour... blues music has finally been included again, and a lot of new and older fans are very happy about that.

I don't think that that particular setlist with songs like Oh, Well or Black Magic Woman was the setlist in mind while Lindsey was still in the band. Those songs were included after Lindsey was fired.


I think his firing was much more simple and it had more to do with Stevie and her dislike of his behavior than with the dynamic of the band.


Happy New Year! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[SteveMacD]

I don't think that that particular setlist with songs like Oh, Well or Black Magic Woman was the setlist in mind while Lindsey was still in the band. Those songs were included after Lindsey was fired.
They were talking about doing the more obscure stuff back in August, 2017.

Doing “Black Magic Woman” and “All Over Again” were all Stevie’s idea.

[cbBen]

What a misrepresentation. Poor Lindsey, doesn't have a pianist. Because pianists are such a rare breed these days. I mean, nobody plays piano anymore. Oh wait, what's that my friend is telling me? Even Stevie Nicks plays piano! And how could I forget? I also play piano! And Lindsey Buckingham plays it too. And so many others.

"There's just no way we could be doing this without him."–Lindsey Buckingham on Brett Tuggle, band introductions 11/28/18