Which "Thrown Down" Is Better?: SYW Or TISL Outtake

[cbBen]

And which has better guitar work (I presume the TISL outtake's guitarist is not Lindsey)?

Feel free to explain why you feel as you do.

[Jondalar]

And which has better guitar work (I presume the TISL outtake's guitarist is not Lindsey)?

Feel free to explain why you feel as you do.

I love what Lindsey did on Thrown Down. Musically it’s my favorite. However, the extra lyrics Stevie threw in ruined it for me. It doesn’t make a lick of sense. Because of this, I prefer the TISL version, which doesn’t contain those extra lyrics.

Frankly, I find her lyrics on Thrown Down and Illume to be embarrassments. The music is stellar, but the song craft is juvenile. These songs could of been great if she weren’t so lazy.

[cbBen]

Perhaps its ignorance, but I've never heard of a barricade being "thrown down."

[On Ice]

I dig both versions, almost like two different songs altogether. The TISL version is very good though and I'm surprised they left it off, it would've made a decent single. Fast forward to SYW- it has some lovely guitar work that makes it resonate ala Gypsy. The main problem with the SYW version is the vocal as the softer guitar calls for a more wispy vocal presentation which would've taken the song into a higher league. I'm not too bothered by the clumsy lyrics here. All around though, it's one of Stevie's better post 70's songs.

[RockyRaccoon]

I love what Lindsey did on Thrown Down. Musically it’s my favorite. However, the extra lyrics Stevie threw in ruined it for me. It doesn’t make a lick of sense. Because of this, I prefer the TISL version, which doesn’t contain those extra lyrics.

Frankly, I find her lyrics on Thrown Down and Illume to be embarrassments. The music is stellar, but the song craft is juvenile. These songs could of been great if she weren’t so lazy.

I was looking at the liner notes for Say You Will recently and noticed that Stevie dedicated Illume to Rudy Giuliani. Man, that didn’t age well...

[jbrownsjr]

Perhaps its ignorance, but I've never heard of a barricade being "thrown down."

Thunder does happen when it's raining.

[cbBen]

Thunder does happen when it's raining.

But not *only* when it's raining: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_thunderstorm

[ryan4136]

I’m still waiting to hear if Stevie has been able to squeeze time into her schedule to see all of the seven wonders yet.

[HomerMcvie]

I’m still waiting to hear if Stevie has been able to squeeze time into her schedule to see all of the seven wonders yet.

$he's very very busy, $niffing her own behind.


It smells like ro$e$. Or so her a$$ociates tell her.


I know, $he pays them to say that. Don't judge her for paying people to be her friend$.


Merry Nick$mas, y'all.

[sue]

Perhaps its ignorance, but I've never heard of a barricade being "thrown down."

Well it’s her barricade and she can ....roll it down, climb over it, vault it, turn a blind eye to it, lean up it....in other words it’s her lyrics she can put what she likes,
You wouldn’t ask Dylan....

[petep9000]

TISL version, by far. I think it could have been a good single, I'm perplexed why this song would be left off and a throw-aways like "Everyday" or "I Miss You" made the cut. I think the song has some typical lazy Stevie-isms but the "you can sit outside his door and wait, you can dedicate your pain to him" sounded cool and relatable. I've done my share of dedicating my pain to people who didn't return it or deserve it. I "got" that one.

I think Lindsey ruined "Not Make Believe" by the way. Stevie's TISL demo version was a lot nicer to my ear. I don't like that he added all that whispering to her SYW music, I think he did it on purpose to make her songs sound stupid and she didn't want to stand up to him.

[cbBen]

I love what Lindsey did on Thrown Down. Musically it’s my favorite. However, the extra lyrics Stevie threw in ruined it for me. It doesn’t make a lick of sense. Because of this, I prefer the TISL version, which doesn’t contain those extra lyrics.

Frankly, I find her lyrics on Thrown Down and Illume to be embarrassments. The music is stellar, but the song craft is juvenile. These songs could of been great if she weren’t so lazy.

FYI for those curious, the lyrics on the FM version only are the bridge (absent from the TISL outtake):

You've shaken your faith in me, no you've shaken my faith in everything else
A decision no one makes, and now you're going home
Faith is a hard thing to hold on to, something inside you says "I don't have to"
You're not like other people, you do what you want to

[justcrazylove]

So the best part of the song........? Shockingly, Lindsey was involved! :laugh:

[cbBen]

It doesn't really rhyme, but that's not something I'd complain about to Bob Dylan.

[secret love]

I love what Lindsey did on Thrown Down. Musically it’s my favorite. However, the extra lyrics Stevie threw in ruined it for me. It doesn’t make a lick of sense. Because of this, I prefer the TISL version, which doesn’t contain those extra lyrics.

Frankly, I find her lyrics on Thrown Down and Illume to be embarrassments. The music is stellar, but the song craft is juvenile. These songs could of been great if she weren’t so lazy.

I enjoy both the music and lyrics on Thrown Down, but despise the lyrics on Illume. I am talking here about the Say You Will tracks, not TISL. The outtake of Thrown Down on TISL is uninspired and lacking ANY male vocals, and the best male vocalist Stevie has ever collaborated with features on Say You Will - Thrown Down and makes it amazing.

Yes, her tense and person shift unnecessarily, but they do that on DREAMS, guys!

[cbBen]

tense and person shift unnecessarily, but they do that on DREAMS, guys!

As they do on Bob Dylan's "Tangled Up In Blue," which is probably the song Stevie had in mind when she defended herself to Lindsey.

[mitzo]

FYI for those curious, the lyrics on the FM version only are the bridge (absent from the TISL outtake):

You've shaken your faith in me, no you've shaken my faith in everything else
A decision no one makes, and now you're going home
Faith is a hard thing to hold on to, something inside you says "I don't have to"
You're not like other people, you do what you want to

Don't see any problem with those, they are clever lyrics that fit the rest of the song.

[Jondalar]

I enjoy both the music and lyrics on Thrown Down, but despise the lyrics on Illume. I am talking here about the Say You Will tracks, not TISL. The outtake of Thrown Down on TISL is uninspired and lacking ANY male vocals, and the best male vocalist Stevie has ever collaborated with features on Say You Will - Thrown Down and makes it amazing.

Yes, her tense and person shift unnecessarily, but they do that on DREAMS, guys!

It may not bother you but it bothers the hell out of me. That song could of really been something but when that part comes on it becomes cringe worthy.

[TheWILDheart]

I like both versions. I really like the production and arrangement of the TISL version but I love the 2nd verse of the SYW version, which is missing from the earlier version.

[vivfox]

They both suck. From the very first listen I could tell they were trying to capitalize on the rhythm section of Dreams. Releasing Thrown Down as a single was a mistake. The song was too weak for radio.

[gldstwmn]

And which has better guitar work (I presume the TISL outtake's guitarist is not Lindsey)?

Feel free to explain why you feel as you do.

Wall of Sound is Lindsey and that's my favorite version. Supposedly it was on a German acetate of Trouble In Shangri La. It was recorded during Sheryl Crow's tenure as producer. I'm thinking LB probably produced it. Not to nitpick but there are three versions, the TISL demo, the outtake and the SYW version.

[gldstwmn]

TISL version, by far. I think it could have been a good single, I'm perplexed why this song would be left off and a throw-aways like "Everyday" or "I Miss You" made the cut. I think the song has some typical lazy Stevie-isms but the "you can sit outside his door and wait, you can dedicate your pain to him" sounded cool and relatable. I've done my share of dedicating my pain to people who didn't return it or deserve it. I "got" that one.

I think Lindsey ruined "Not Make Believe" by the way. Stevie's TISL demo version was a lot nicer to my ear. I don't like that he added all that whispering to her SYW music, I think he did it on purpose to make her songs sound stupid and she didn't want to stand up to him.

Every Day was partial payment to John Shanks for producing the record. He wrote it. And yes Thrown Down should have been on the record.

[gldstwmn]

I enjoy both the music and lyrics on Thrown Down, but despise the lyrics on Illume. I am talking here about the Say You Will tracks, not TISL. The outtake of Thrown Down on TISL is uninspired and lacking ANY male vocals, and the best male vocalist Stevie has ever collaborated with features on Say You Will - Thrown Down and makes it amazing.

Yes, her tense and person shift unnecessarily, but they do that on DREAMS, guys!

You can hear Lindsey singing at the the end of the outtake. He is singing on it. I think Don Henley is the best male voice Stevie's ever sung with.