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[kak125]

Stevie Nicks: ‘There Is Nothing Better Than Being Inducted Into the Hall of Fame’

Stevie Nicks was two shows away from wrapping up the 2018 leg of Fleetwood Mac‘s world tour when the news came in that she was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist, making her the first woman in history to enter the institution twice. “It’s a lot to take in emotionally,” she told Rolling Stone the following evening. “I’m kind of really emotional now. If I have to cry, you just have to let me cry and then we’ll get back to this.”
Nicks managed to avoid crying during our 20-minute conversation, but she did explain why this honor is so meaningful to her, why she’ll miss Tom Petty and Prince that night along with her parents, how she hopes this will inspire younger women in the industry, how the other members of Fleetwood Mac reacted, what she told the members of Haim after a recent show and how she hopes to finally meet Janet Jackson at the ceremony.

Walk me through the moment of when you found out you were in.
I obviously found out about the nomination [in October], but I never believe anything is going to happen until it actually happens. I believed that the nomination was happening because the nomination happened. But I didn’t give it that much thought because I was out on the road working extremely hard with an extremely hard schedule for a little old lady like myself. I was just like, “Okay.”

But I’ve always been that way, ever since I was a little girl. When something big or fantastic happens, I never go there in my mind. I just go, “That’s really great.” And I really appreciate that. But I don’t really believe it ever. That’s because in my whole life I’m the type of person where I don’t want to get my feelings hurt, so I’m not going to believe it until it actually is. That’s in every type of part of my life, from family to friends to projects to whatever. I don’t know where that came from, but it started a long time ago, that way of accepting things.

When I found out yesterday that it was for sure I was getting ready for the second big show at the Forum, so I was super tired and super wanting to walk onstage and for all of us to just be spectacular. And then I’m trying to process the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so it’s a lot for one brain to take in. I was just like, “That’s great. That’s amazing. I’ll be there.”
But then when we went onstage… I never would have expected anybody in the band to have said anything about it. But I was standing right in front of Mick [Fleetwood] and all of a sudden he did say something about it, but I had one of my ear monitors out. I thought he said something about the Hall of Fame, but I wasn’t really quite sure. I turned around and looked at him and I could hear he was saying, “Congratulations. We’re really proud of you.” It was something like that. I couldn’t really tell what he said.

And then I turned towards Christine [McVie] and she was like, “Congratulations sweetheart” or something and I’m just standing there and thinking that this was not anything that would have been mentioned onstage before. [She seems to mean before Lindsey Buckingham left the group, but she was unwilling to field questions about that situation.]
I was a little bit verklempt and I didn’t know what to do. And then we were getting ready to go into the song that Neil [Finn] and I do [“Don’t Dream It’s Over”] and then during the “Landslide” dedication I said, “I wouldn’t have said anything about this, but because Mick and Christine said something about it, you’ve opened the doors.”

Then I made a dedication to Jimmy Iovine for making this Gemini able to have two careers, which for somebody like me was so wonderful because I like bouncing from one thing to the other back to the other back to the other. I’m never bored, ever, and if I want to take a vacation, I told the audience, I don’t want to go to Hawaii for a year. I really just want to go to Hawaii for like two weeks and then come back and start on another project. That’s how I’ve always been. I would be bored stiff.
The fact that I’ve been able to have these two careers my whole life… I joined Fleetwood Mac at the beginning of 1975. We started talking about the solo album at the end of 1979, so my solo work was just a little over four years behind Fleetwood Mac. It has made my life amazing because I’ve been able to have these two amazing careers and live in two completely different worlds. I did dedicate it to Jimmy Iovine, him and several others. But it was Jimmy that said, “I will produce your record and we’ll make you a Tom Petty record, expect it’ll be a girl Tom Petty record.” I found that very exciting and I was jumping off the walls.
That’s how it all started. The people around me in my solo career were all very much like, “This is not going to mess with Fleetwood Mac. You’re going to be able to do both. It’s what you do. You’re a Gemini. You want two lives.” And then it just took off, both things. So I’m very grateful to all the spirits that it was made easy for me to do this and nobody was angry with me and saying, “You shouldn’t do this.” Everybody backed up the whole thing. That was really wonderful because it could have gone the other way, but it didn’t go the other way.

How do you feel about being the first woman to enter the Hall of Fame twice?
Well, that’s probably the biggest part of it. After the show last night I was talking to the Haim girls. I was saying to them, “Okay, now I’ve opened the door for you. Now each one of you need to go do a solo album really fast and get your solos going so in the next 20 years you’ll be able to do this too and maybe I’ve opened the doors to all the girls in my life that sing and write and play and are amazing.”

My biggest hope is that I have opened the door due to the fact that there’s 22 men who have gone in twice and zero women. I think that’s really a little off balance. That’s what I’m hoping, that what’s happened here to me will give all the little rock and roll stars that are just waiting out there a little hope that they can also do what I do. Mind you, it took a long time. I’m 70 years old. It took a long time for this to happen, but maybe because of this it won’t take so long for all the other incredibly talented women that I know and that I respect and that I listen to and that I’m friends with. That’s really the nicest thing.
I didn’t have children. I would have loved to have had a house full of daughters. I would have ended up having a house full of sons, which would have driven me crazy, so I probably made the right decision. But I sort of do have a house full of daughters since I have so many women singers around me that are in their twenties all the way up to not quite as old as me that are friends of mine. We discuss music and we talk about it and we’re friends. Every time I play a show they come. Every time we play the Forum we shut the Forum down with all the girls that have come to see me. We are sitting on the couches at 2:30 am when even the crew is almost gone. That’s because we have so much to talk about and so much to share, just about being women musicians and what we love and what we want to do.

I still have so much I want to do and they have so much they want to do. It’s like we have a mutual admiration society that goes on after every one of these, especially the last shows, whether they are my shows or Fleetwood Mac shows. That’s what I’m mostly happy about. I don’t think that I have exactly accepted the actual ceremony and the whole thing that will happen in March or whenever it is because in my world that’s a long time. When it comes down to a month away from that and trying to figure out what I’m going to say and what I’m going to do, then it’s going to hit me in more of a weepy, emotional way because I’m already feeling really emotional today and as you can hear, I can hardly even talk.

I am feeling really emotional that my mother and father aren’t here. My father would have said, “Well, I knew you’d do it.” And my mother would have said, “I told you when you were 15 and a half that you better be the boss of your own company since you don’t like being told what to do. You’re going to school. You might be a singer/songwriter and you may do great things, but you’re also going to be an educated singer/songwriter so that you can always be in the boy’s club and so you can never be treated like a second-class citizen by a bunch of guys.” That’s what she told me when I was 15 and a half. So I’m so sorry that my little mom isn’t going to be seated on the side of the stage going to everybody, “Well, I knew she’d do it.”

My sadness is there are a few people that won’t be there. Had Prince not passed away, Prince would have come and played on a song with me because I get to do one or two or three songs. He would have come and played on his and my song for the first time in history since we never got to play [“Stand Back”] together on stage. If Tom Petty had lived, he could have come and played “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” with me. And that breaks my heart that those two people aren’t alive for this. But you know what? They are in my heart. They walk with me onstage every night. That’s the sadness that there are a few people that I would really loved to have shared this with, but life goes on and they are in my heart, so it’s okay. I have to let that part go.

I am super excited. I am super grateful. I really didn’t expect this to happen, honestly. I just thought it never was going to happen. I’m really thrilled and I’m really grateful.
It’s a pretty cool class with you, the Zombies, Roxy Music, the Cure, Radiohead and Def Leppard. Are you fan of these people?
I’m a huge fan of Def Leppard. I know them and they always come to our shows. I know them pretty well and I really love their music, actually, and I have their music on my road tapes that I make and I listen to every night between 5:00 and 8:00 every night that I do a show. That’s my inspiration, a lot of my favorite groups.
I’m a huge fan of Janet Jackson. She’s also all over all my tapes. I listen to Janet almost every single night. And the Zombies, from my past, I was a huge fan. I love the Zombies! And the Cure, I don’t know much about them because I really wasn’t a punk girl, not that I wouldn’t have liked to throw some punk into my life, I probably would have, but I can only do so much in one life. And then Radiohead. I have much respect for Radiohead and the beautiful voice of Thom Yorke. I think this is a great bunch of people. This is going to be a really fun night.
Are you thinking much about who might induct you and what three songs you might play?
I’m not really there yet. I have to really give that some thought. Tomorrow is our last show until the end of January and right now I’m in a hotel because I can’t get out of road mode while we’re still playing, so I’m five minutes from my house, but I’m going home tomorrow night after the show. And then the next day I’ll start thinking about all that.

I can’t tell you, but I pretty much know who those people are going to be, but I don’t want to hex it before I make my final decision and talk to some people about it. I want to make the right decision and I want this to be really perfect. But this is a great group of people to be going in with. I’m thrilled about that. I don’t think I’ve ever met Janet Jackson even though I feel like I know her like she lives next door because I’ve been listening to her music since she was a baby. I’m super excited about that and I think she should be in, absolutely. She’s amazing.

I’m happy this is a great bunch of people that get to walk through this little heavenly rainbow with me and I couldn’t be happier. I couldn’t be more honored to be going in twice. First of all, to be going in once was amazing. Everybody that I know over the last 50 years, people that aren’t in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are like, “Well, I don’t really care.” And as of 1998, when Fleetwood Mac went in, I always cared since I’m all about ceremony. I would say to myself, “Yeah, you don’t care because you’re not in it. But when you do go in it, you’ll totally care.” It’s that kind of thing. Nobody expects to ever go in it. But when you get that little invitation, you’re dancing around your house because there is nothing better than being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Being inducted into it twice, for your own work out of the band, there really isn’t anything better than that, to be able to be in both clubs. It’s the “you’re in it because you’re in a band club” and the “you’re in it because of your solo work” club.
I’m glad it happened now before I was like 78 or something. I would have had to walk in with my walker and my feathers and my sequins and my long, flowing grey hair. (Laughs) So I’m glad it happened now and not in another five or six years. What a visual!

[cbBen]

"I didn’t have children.... I probably made the right decision."

The corollary is that, had she chosen to have children, it would probably have been the wrong decision. I've never heard a woman with children express such a view. (Note: I do not say the above to in any way judge her choice, which is none of my business.)

[jkmaletic]

I'm surprised that she isn't familiar with The Cure. I bet she would totally dig them, especially their Disintegration album. I'm going to see about getting her a copy of it at tonight's Forum show. 🎄

Jamie

[secondhandchain]

Oh really Stevie? It's so great now that Lindsey's gone because the other members can kiss your bloated ass on stage? What a monster she's become. Just wow.

[lovethemac1]

I need to take some time, after reading this, to formulate my comments. I am too annoyed by her to not write something really mean.

[Macfan4life]

I totally don't believe the story that she was the last to know while on stage with Fleetwood Mac. Her ear piece goes out and Mick is trying to tell her? Yeah ok.
Let's pretend.
I also don't believe Def Leppard comes to all the Fleetwood Mac shows.

[bwboy]

It's a good read, thanks for posting! Several interesting quotes, but the one thing that really struck me was that two of her contemporaries won't be able to participate in her induction because they're dead- Tom Petty and Prince. She's getting old, they're getting old, and we're getting old. The idea of seeing Stevie and Prince performing Stand Back live together for the first time would have been a monumental event, for sure. I really am curious to see who will perform with her, but without Tom and Prince, they will be hard acts to try and follow.

[lovethemac1]

It's a good read, thanks for posting! Several interesting quotes, but the one thing that really struck me was that two of her contemporaries won't be able to participate in her induction because they're dead- Tom Petty and Prince. She's getting old, they're getting old, and we're getting old. The idea of seeing Stevie and Prince performing Stand Back live together for the first time would have been a monumental event, for sure. I really am curious to see who will perform with her, but without Tom and Prince, they will be hard acts to try and follow.

I thought she barely knew Prince, in everyone else's reality.

[bwboy]

I totally don't believe the story that she was the last to know while on stage with Fleetwood Mac. Her ear piece goes out and Mick is trying to tell her? Yeah ok.
Let's pretend.
I also don't believe Def Leppard comes to all the Fleetwood Mac shows.

Macfan4life, buddy I think you may have read the interview too fast :) She didn't say she learned she was being inducted at the concert while on stage. Also, I don't think she actually literally meant Def Lepard goes to each FM show, or even necessarily each tour, but I'm sure they have seen FM live. Why you find that hard to believe I don't understand.

[bwboy]

I thought she barely knew Prince, in everyone else's reality.

lovethemac, I have no idea how well she knew Prince. I am a casual fan, I guess. But I stand by my statement that the possibility that Stevie could have performed live with Prince and Tom Petty at the induction ceremony would have been monumental... regardless of how well they knew each other.

[Macfan4life]

Macfan4life, buddy I think you may have read the interview too fast :) She didn't say she learned she was being inducted at the concert while on stage. Also, I don't think she actually literally meant Def Lepard goes to each FM show, or even necessarily each tour, but I'm sure they have seen FM live. Why you find that hard to believe I don't understand.
You are right. I did read too fast. Why would she be surprised fellow band mates would congratulate her on being inducted. That tells you all you need to know about tensions in the band.

[bwboy]

You are right. I did read too fast. Why would she be surprised fellow band mates would congratulate her on being inducted. That tells you all you need to know about tensions in the band.

She was comparing the two lineups- if her mind, if Lindsey had been on this tour, nothing would have been said about her induction because there would have been tension. On this tour, Mick and Christine spoke freely about her induction, and there was no problem. Please note I said in her mind. I have no idea what FM's reaction would have been if Lindsey had been on tour with them.

[Jondalar]

My God, Stevie talks a lot. Expect a long speech.

[SteveMacD]

My God, Stevie talks a lot. Expect a long speech.

Mick, Lindsey, and Stevie talk a lot. That’s why John and Christine are my favorites!

[cbBen]

Prince would not have performed with Stevie. He was notoriously quite shy.

Have you ever heard of him making a special appearance to perform backup with someone at an event like that?

Keep in mind that when he played guitar at George Harrison's induction, it was only because he himself was inducted that same night. He didn't make a special trip.

[BigAl84]

I can tell you from reading/watching press regarding Stevie for the past 15 years, this whole notion of her and Prince being besties is complete BS that didn't start up until the man died. For decades there were only a few select anecdotes that she would share about Prince in the context of making Stand Back. There is another story of them hanging out for an afternoon and that's about it. Since he has passed, suddenly she talks about him as if they were as close as her and Don Henley. It's all ego driven bunk.:sorry:

[BigAl84]

She was comparing the two lineups- if her mind, if Lindsey had been on this tour, nothing would have been said about her induction because there would have been tension. On this tour, Mick and Christine spoke freely about her induction, and there was no problem. Please note I said in her mind. I have no idea what FM's reaction would have been if Lindsey had been on tour with them.

That's the thing with her. In her mind the minute Lindsey is involved, the claws are out and there is tension in her mind. We already know from her comments about the 2009 tour, when she didn't feel there was tension she makes comments to stir the pot and create tension....about the tension she felt should of been there. Quite frankly he should never perform with her again or even attempt to polish her 30 year old demos. It's not worth the mountain of BS that comes with it. Enjoy your kids, family, and making new music with good people.

[Jondalar]

I can tell you from reading/watching press regarding Stevie for the past 15 years, this whole notion of her and Prince being besties is complete BS that didn't start up until the man died. For decades there were only a few select anecdotes that she would share about Prince in the context of making Stand Back. There is another story of them hanging out for an afternoon and that's about it. Since he has passed, suddenly she talks about him as if they were as close as her and Don Henley. It's all ego driven bunk.:sorry:

The demon is a liar. It likes to confuse us...
- The Exorcist

[Storms123]

I actually disagree. I think Lindsey would have acknowledged her induction in some way had he been part of the current line up.

[pryderi]

Awesome read...thank you for sharing.

[Jondalar]

I don’t like this interview.

[sodascouts]

I can tell you from reading/watching press regarding Stevie for the past 15 years, this whole notion of her and Prince being besties is complete BS that didn't start up until the man died. For decades there were only a few select anecdotes that she would share about Prince in the context of making Stand Back. There is another story of them hanging out for an afternoon and that's about it. Since he has passed, suddenly she talks about him as if they were as close as her and Don Henley. It's all ego driven bunk.:sorry:

Yes - and that wasn't exactly a golden afternoon together. She got wasted and he had to "nearly drag [her] up the stairs" to sleep it off.

And that was seriously her last interaction with him. It was in, what, 1985? 86? Thereabouts... but reading this, you'd think she was a dear friend of his, a frequent collaborator, someone whom he held in high esteem and for whom he would drop everything to help honor at the HOF.

Yesh. Right.

[BLY]

Great interview and very happy for Stevie and her amazing solo career. I also lived in both her worlds since her solo career started, the MAC world and her solo world. Thank you Stevie for the music!

[bwboy]

Yes - and that wasn't exactly a golden afternoon together. She got wasted and he had to "nearly drag [her] up the stairs" to sleep it off.

And that was seriously her last interaction with him. It was in, what, 1985? 86? Thereabouts... but reading this, you'd think she was a dear friend of his, a frequent collaborator, someone whom he held in high esteem and for whom he would drop everything to help honor at the HOF.

Yesh. Right.

sodascouts, I don't know if Prince would have gone to the induction ceremony or not, but if he had, he wouldn't have had to drop everything to do so, given the amount of notice he would have had. But your points are well made, as usual!

Am I the only one who laments that the possibility of Prince and Stevie performing Stand Back together could never happen, since he's dead? I'm not even a Prince fan, but that would have been one heck of a performance. Maybe he could have talked her into wearing something besides black :]

[Macfan4life]

She was comparing the two lineups- if her mind, if Lindsey had been on this tour, nothing would have been said about her induction because there would have been tension. On this tour, Mick and Christine spoke freely about her induction, and there was no problem. Please note I said in her mind. I have no idea what FM's reaction would have been if Lindsey had been on tour with them.
Wow, if your analysis is correct, Stevie feels like a stranger in Fleetwood Mac. All those years without Christine Lindsey played her solo songs in Fleetwood Mac concerts. While Lindsey may not have said anything to Stevie, I am sure Chris and Mick would have still congratulated her. Stevie is just as passive/aggressive as Lindsey.
Its actually pathetic she would say such a thing because if your theory is correct, it almost implies that Lindsey would hold Mick and Christine hostage to not say anything.
I don't think anything would be further from the truth.

[bwboy]

Wow, if your analysis is correct, Stevie feels like a stranger in Fleetwood Mac. All those years without Christine Lindsey played her solo songs in Fleetwood Mac concerts. While Lindsey may not have said anything to Stevie, I am sure Chris and Mick would have still congratulated her. Stevie is just as passive/aggressive as Lindsey.
Its actually pathetic she would say such a thing because if your theory is correct, it almost implies that Lindsey would hold Mick and Christine hostage to not say anything.
I don't think anything would be further from the truth.

Everybody's perception is different- Stevie was giving hers, but she could easily have been wrong. I do remember when she was on the cover of Rolling Stone a few years back, during the FM tour where Christine returned, and Mick, John, and Lindsey refused to be interviewed for the article since it was about Stevie. Only Christine agreed to talk to the interviewer. So I can see, after hearing from an objective third party that there was definitely tension about her solo career then, why she would expect tension when she was inducted... and how happy she was when there was none. For whatever the reason, whether it was because Lindsey wasn't there or because Mick was in a good mood or some other reason, in her eyes there was no tension this time.

[sands of time]

And the profoundly sad "Sunset Boulevard" train rolls right along...

[Macfan4life]

Everybody's perception is different- Stevie was giving hers, but she could easily have been wrong. I do remember when she was on the cover of Rolling Stone a few years back, during the FM tour where Christine returned, and Mick, John, and Lindsey refused to be interviewed for the article since it was about Stevie. Only Christine agreed to talk to the interviewer. So I can see, after hearing from an objective third party that there was definitely tension about her solo career then, why she would expect tension when she was inducted... and how happy she was when there was none. For whatever the reason, whether it was because Lindsey wasn't there or because Mick was in a good mood or some other reason, in her eyes there was no tension this time.
In 1982 when Mirage was #1 Stevie Nicks refused to be interviewed by Rolling Stone with a Mac (group) interview. I had the magazine and will never forget what it said "on the advice of her manager, Irving Azoff Stevie declined to be interviewed"
The entire band did an interview but Stevie refused to participate.
Stevie is still selling poison and its wrong. Her induction into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame has nothing to do with Lindsey and Fleetwood Mac. But she is trying to bring them into it.
WRONG.

[Jondalar]

And the profoundly sad "Sunset Boulevard" train rolls right along...

She has been living off the past for thirty years.

[bwboy]

In 1982 when Mirage was #1 Stevie Nicks refused to be interviewed by Rolling Stone with a Mac (group) interview. I had the magazine and will never forget what it said "on the advice of her manager, Irving Azoff Stevie declined to be interviewed"
The entire band did an interview but Stevie refused to participate.
Stevie is still selling poison and its wrong. Her induction into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame has nothing to do with Lindsey and Fleetwood Mac. But she is trying to bring them into it.
WRONG.

I have no doubt you're 100% correct that Stevie refused to be interviewed back in 1982. I was not suggesting that FM was wrong for not giving interviews to Rolling Stone for their story on her. I was saying that I can see why Stevie would have thought FM wouldn't have acknowledged her induction, or why she wouldn't have said anything at the concert about it first, that's all.

I don't know what you mean about Stevie "still selling poison" or "she is trying to bring them (FM) into it. WRONG." In the interview, she said she wasn't going to say anything at the concert about her induction but once Mick and Christine congratulated her in front of everybody, she felt it was ok to talk about it. How that was selling poison or bringing them into it, that is what I don't understand your anger about. This is an example of what I see as no matter what she says or does, certain people will say it's never right.

[Feather Blade]

Macfan4life, buddy I think you may have read the interview too fast :) She didn't say she learned she was being inducted at the concert while on stage. Also, I don't think she actually literally meant Def Lepard goes to each FM show, or even necessarily each tour, but I'm sure they have seen FM live. Why you find that hard to believe I don't understand.

The Def Leppard twitter page has a post on 11/26 showing Joe Elliot backstage at a Mac show.

[DownOnRodeo]

...and as you can hear, I can hardly even talk.

Oh man.
To have seen the RS interviewer's eyes roll at this one!


And bwboy, re Prince playing on Stand Back at the RRHOOF--that song is all Waddy and Sharon etc. Theydeserve their time in the limelight and to be showered with praise by Stevie, not Prince. Yes he deserves a big mention in light of the fact that she ripped off his song, but Waddy and co. make it what it is.

Just unbelievable that now she's even mentioning Prince AHEAD of Tom Petty. She cares only about celebrity name value.

[Feather Blade]

I have no doubt you're 100% correct that Stevie refused to be interviewed back in 1982. I was not suggesting that FM was wrong for not giving interviews to Rolling Stone for their story on her. I was saying that I can see why Stevie would have thought FM wouldn't have acknowledged her induction, or why she wouldn't have said anything at the concert about it first, that's all.

I don't know what you mean about Stevie "still selling poison" or "she is trying to bring them (FM) into it. WRONG." In the interview, she said she wasn't going to say anything at the concert about her induction but once Mick and Christine congratulated her in front of everybody, she felt it was ok to talk about it. How that was selling poison or bringing them into it, that is what I don't understand your anger about. This is an example of what I see as no matter what she says or does, certain people will say it's never right.

Exactly, it must be exhausting to over analyze someone's every public move in order to try and ascribe evil intent to it. :rolleyes:

[bwboy]

Exactly, it must be exhausting to over analyze someone's every public move in order to try and ascribe evil intent to it. :rolleyes:

Feather Blade, I think that is what's happening on this board. That's why I really respect sodascouts- she has been very upfront about being angry at Stevie for Lindsey's firing, but she isn't following that pattern of ascribing evil intent to every interview or statement or move that Stevie or anyone else in the band makes. When she criticizes Stevie, she has a good, sound reason for it, and I usually agree with her. It's not a blanket "I hate Stevie" reasoning, which isn't an effective way to make a point. And she doesn't do name calling or attacks on anyone, either in the band or here. Neither do you, Feather Blade, which is much appreciated.

[cbBen]

A wise friend of mine advocated the following words to live by:

1. "It is as bad to take offense as it is to give offense."–Swami Ramdas
2. Always give the benefit of the doubt (provided any reasonable doubt exists).

[ricohv]

Feather Blade, I think that is what's happening on this board. That's why I really respect sodascouts- she has been very upfront about being angry at Stevie for Lindsey's firing, but she isn't following that pattern of ascribing evil intent to every interview or statement or move that Stevie or anyone else in the band makes. When she criticizes Stevie, she has a good, sound reason for it, and I usually agree with her. It's not a blanket "I hate Stevie" reasoning, which isn't an effective way to make a point. And she doesn't do name calling or attacks on anyone, either in the band or here. Neither do you, Feather Blade, which is much appreciated.
Truth. :xoxo:

[DownOnRodeo]

A wise friend of mine advocated the following words to live by:

1. "It is as bad to take offense as it is to give offense."–Swami Ramdas
2. Always give the benefit of the doubt (provided any reasonable doubt exists).

"Any aphorism that says 'always'
is always bad advice." -- Swami Rodeo

[Macfan4life]

I have no doubt you're 100% correct that Stevie refused to be interviewed back in 1982. I was not suggesting that FM was wrong for not giving interviews to Rolling Stone for their story on her. I was saying that I can see why Stevie would have thought FM wouldn't have acknowledged her induction, or why she wouldn't have said anything at the concert about it first, that's all.

I don't know what you mean about Stevie "still selling poison" or "she is trying to bring them (FM) into it. WRONG." In the interview, she said she wasn't going to say anything at the concert about her induction but once Mick and Christine congratulated her in front of everybody, she felt it was ok to talk about it. How that was selling poison or bringing them into it, that is what I don't understand your anger about. This is an example of what I see as no matter what she says or does, certain people will say it's never right.
Ok let me be more clear (its morning now and I'm not drinking rum)
The quote:
And then I turned towards Christine [McVie] and she was like, “Congratulations sweetheart” or something and I’m just standing there and thinking that this was not anything that would have been mentioned onstage before. [She seems to mean before Lindsey Buckingham left the group, but she was unwilling to field questions about that situation.]
You don't see or agree that Stevie is implying the current band said this to her because the former band with Lindsey would have never mentioned anything. That is her insinuating that Lindsey controlled the band and would never let the other members congratulate her. Rubbish! She is bringing Lindsey into her Rock N Roll hall of fame announcement. Do you really think Mick or Christine would not have said congratulations to Stevie because Lindsey was there? So because Lindsey is gone, the rest of the band is free to speak and worship her because Lindsey was preventing it?

Smell what I'm cooking? Its all there in the off the cuff remarks she made to Rolling Stone.

[Frankenstein]

lovethemac, I have no idea how well she knew Prince. I am a casual fan, I guess. But I stand by my statement that the possibility that Stevie could have performed live with Prince and Tom Petty at the induction ceremony would have been monumental... regardless of how well they knew each other.

Stevie had not spoken to Prince since the Purple Rain movie premiere, apparently. That’s why it’s hilarious when she talks as if they were close for all this time.

[SteveMacD]

Exactly, it must be exhausting to over analyze someone's every public move in order to try and ascribe evil intent to it. :rolleyes:

“The Mac will be back! But for now, it's a wrap for the holidays. I had such a great time over these last few months (2 months of rehearsals, and 2.5 months on the road)... It is such an honor to be onstage with these legends every night, and I am so happy to be back after all of these years. The positivity and camaraderie has been second to none compared to any other tour I have taken part on...” -Taku

See, if Stevie had said “The positivity and camaraderie has been second to none compared to any other tour I have taken part on..,” it would have been construed as commentary on Lindsey, as opposed to simple commentary on the current tour.

[Jondalar]

Stevie had not spoken to Prince since the Purple Rain movie premiere, apparently. That’s why it’s hilarious when she talks as if they were close for all this time.

It’s an embarrassment and the name dropping has got to stop. After reading this article, it seems like her head is getting bigger than it already is.

[jwd]

Stevie Nicks: ‘There Is Nothing Better Than Being Inducted Into the Hall of Fame’

Stevie Nicks was two shows away from wrapping up the 2018 leg of Fleetwood Mac‘s world tour when the news came in that she was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist, making her the first woman in history to enter the institution twice. “It’s a lot to take in emotionally,” she told Rolling Stone the following evening. “I’m kind of really emotional now. If I have to cry, you just have to let me cry and then we’ll get back to this.”
Nicks managed to avoid crying during our 20-minute conversation, but she did explain why this honor is so meaningful to her, why she’ll miss Tom Petty and Prince that night along with her parents, how she hopes this will inspire younger women in the industry, how the other members of Fleetwood Mac reacted, what she told the members of Haim after a recent show and how she hopes to finally meet Janet Jackson at the ceremony.

Walk me through the moment of when you found out you were in.
I obviously found out about the nomination [in October], but I never believe anything is going to happen until it actually happens. I believed that the nomination was happening because the nomination happened. But I didn’t give it that much thought because I was out on the road working extremely hard with an extremely hard schedule for a little old lady like myself. I was just like, “Okay.”

But I’ve always been that way, ever since I was a little girl. When something big or fantastic happens, I never go there in my mind. I just go, “That’s really great.” And I really appreciate that. But I don’t really believe it ever. That’s because in my whole life I’m the type of person where I don’t want to get my feelings hurt, so I’m not going to believe it until it actually is. That’s in every type of part of my life, from family to friends to projects to whatever. I don’t know where that came from, but it started a long time ago, that way of accepting things.

When I found out yesterday that it was for sure I was getting ready for the second big show at the Forum, so I was super tired and super wanting to walk onstage and for all of us to just be spectacular. And then I’m trying to process the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so it’s a lot for one brain to take in. I was just like, “That’s great. That’s amazing. I’ll be there.”
But then when we went onstage… I never would have expected anybody in the band to have said anything about it. But I was standing right in front of Mick [Fleetwood] and all of a sudden he did say something about it, but I had one of my ear monitors out. I thought he said something about the Hall of Fame, but I wasn’t really quite sure. I turned around and looked at him and I could hear he was saying, “Congratulations. We’re really proud of you.” It was something like that. I couldn’t really tell what he said.

And then I turned towards Christine [McVie] and she was like, “Congratulations sweetheart” or something and I’m just standing there and thinking that this was not anything that would have been mentioned onstage before. [She seems to mean before Lindsey Buckingham left the group, but she was unwilling to field questions about that situation.]
I was a little bit verklempt and I didn’t know what to do. And then we were getting ready to go into the song that Neil [Finn] and I do [“Don’t Dream It’s Over”] and then during the “Landslide” dedication I said, “I wouldn’t have said anything about this, but because Mick and Christine said something about it, you’ve opened the doors.”

Then I made a dedication to Jimmy Iovine for making this Gemini able to have two careers, which for somebody like me was so wonderful because I like bouncing from one thing to the other back to the other back to the other. I’m never bored, ever, and if I want to take a vacation, I told the audience, I don’t want to go to Hawaii for a year. I really just want to go to Hawaii for like two weeks and then come back and start on another project. That’s how I’ve always been. I would be bored stiff.
The fact that I’ve been able to have these two careers my whole life… I joined Fleetwood Mac at the beginning of 1975. We started talking about the solo album at the end of 1979, so my solo work was just a little over four years behind Fleetwood Mac. It has made my life amazing because I’ve been able to have these two amazing careers and live in two completely different worlds. I did dedicate it to Jimmy Iovine, him and several others. But it was Jimmy that said, “I will produce your record and we’ll make you a Tom Petty record, expect it’ll be a girl Tom Petty record.” I found that very exciting and I was jumping off the walls.
That’s how it all started. The people around me in my solo career were all very much like, “This is not going to mess with Fleetwood Mac. You’re going to be able to do both. It’s what you do. You’re a Gemini. You want two lives.” And then it just took off, both things. So I’m very grateful to all the spirits that it was made easy for me to do this and nobody was angry with me and saying, “You shouldn’t do this.” Everybody backed up the whole thing. That was really wonderful because it could have gone the other way, but it didn’t go the other way.

How do you feel about being the first woman to enter the Hall of Fame twice?
Well, that’s probably the biggest part of it. After the show last night I was talking to the Haim girls. I was saying to them, “Okay, now I’ve opened the door for you. Now each one of you need to go do a solo album really fast and get your solos going so in the next 20 years you’ll be able to do this too and maybe I’ve opened the doors to all the girls in my life that sing and write and play and are amazing.”

My biggest hope is that I have opened the door due to the fact that there’s 22 men who have gone in twice and zero women. I think that’s really a little off balance. That’s what I’m hoping, that what’s happened here to me will give all the little rock and roll stars that are just waiting out there a little hope that they can also do what I do. Mind you, it took a long time. I’m 70 years old. It took a long time for this to happen, but maybe because of this it won’t take so long for all the other incredibly talented women that I know and that I respect and that I listen to and that I’m friends with. That’s really the nicest thing.
I didn’t have children. I would have loved to have had a house full of daughters. I would have ended up having a house full of sons, which would have driven me crazy, so I probably made the right decision. But I sort of do have a house full of daughters since I have so many women singers around me that are in their twenties all the way up to not quite as old as me that are friends of mine. We discuss music and we talk about it and we’re friends. Every time I play a show they come. Every time we play the Forum we shut the Forum down with all the girls that have come to see me. We are sitting on the couches at 2:30 am when even the crew is almost gone. That’s because we have so much to talk about and so much to share, just about being women musicians and what we love and what we want to do.

I still have so much I want to do and they have so much they want to do. It’s like we have a mutual admiration society that goes on after every one of these, especially the last shows, whether they are my shows or Fleetwood Mac shows. That’s what I’m mostly happy about. I don’t think that I have exactly accepted the actual ceremony and the whole thing that will happen in March or whenever it is because in my world that’s a long time. When it comes down to a month away from that and trying to figure out what I’m going to say and what I’m going to do, then it’s going to hit me in more of a weepy, emotional way because I’m already feeling really emotional today and as you can hear, I can hardly even talk.

I am feeling really emotional that my mother and father aren’t here. My father would have said, “Well, I knew you’d do it.” And my mother would have said, “I told you when you were 15 and a half that you better be the boss of your own company since you don’t like being told what to do. You’re going to school. You might be a singer/songwriter and you may do great things, but you’re also going to be an educated singer/songwriter so that you can always be in the boy’s club and so you can never be treated like a second-class citizen by a bunch of guys.” That’s what she told me when I was 15 and a half. So I’m so sorry that my little mom isn’t going to be seated on the side of the stage going to everybody, “Well, I knew she’d do it.”

My sadness is there are a few people that won’t be there. Had Prince not passed away, Prince would have come and played on a song with me because I get to do one or two or three songs. He would have come and played on his and my song for the first time in history since we never got to play [“Stand Back”] together on stage. If Tom Petty had lived, he could have come and played “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” with me. And that breaks my heart that those two people aren’t alive for this. But you know what? They are in my heart. They walk with me onstage every night. That’s the sadness that there are a few people that I would really loved to have shared this with, but life goes on and they are in my heart, so it’s okay. I have to let that part go.

I am super excited. I am super grateful. I really didn’t expect this to happen, honestly. I just thought it never was going to happen. I’m really thrilled and I’m really grateful.
It’s a pretty cool class with you, the Zombies, Roxy Music, the Cure, Radiohead and Def Leppard. Are you fan of these people?
I’m a huge fan of Def Leppard. I know them and they always come to our shows. I know them pretty well and I really love their music, actually, and I have their music on my road tapes that I make and I listen to every night between 5:00 and 8:00 every night that I do a show. That’s my inspiration, a lot of my favorite groups.
I’m a huge fan of Janet Jackson. She’s also all over all my tapes. I listen to Janet almost every single night. And the Zombies, from my past, I was a huge fan. I love the Zombies! And the Cure, I don’t know much about them because I really wasn’t a punk girl, not that I wouldn’t have liked to throw some punk into my life, I probably would have, but I can only do so much in one life. And then Radiohead. I have much respect for Radiohead and the beautiful voice of Thom Yorke. I think this is a great bunch of people. This is going to be a really fun night.
Are you thinking much about who might induct you and what three songs you might play?
I’m not really there yet. I have to really give that some thought. Tomorrow is our last show until the end of January and right now I’m in a hotel because I can’t get out of road mode while we’re still playing, so I’m five minutes from my house, but I’m going home tomorrow night after the show. And then the next day I’ll start thinking about all that.

I can’t tell you, but I pretty much know who those people are going to be, but I don’t want to hex it before I make my final decision and talk to some people about it. I want to make the right decision and I want this to be really perfect. But this is a great group of people to be going in with. I’m thrilled about that. I don’t think I’ve ever met Janet Jackson even though I feel like I know her like she lives next door because I’ve been listening to her music since she was a baby. I’m super excited about that and I think she should be in, absolutely. She’s amazing.

I’m happy this is a great bunch of people that get to walk through this little heavenly rainbow with me and I couldn’t be happier. I couldn’t be more honored to be going in twice. First of all, to be going in once was amazing. Everybody that I know over the last 50 years, people that aren’t in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are like, “Well, I don’t really care.” And as of 1998, when Fleetwood Mac went in, I always cared since I’m all about ceremony. I would say to myself, “Yeah, you don’t care because you’re not in it. But when you do go in it, you’ll totally care.” It’s that kind of thing. Nobody expects to ever go in it. But when you get that little invitation, you’re dancing around your house because there is nothing better than being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Being inducted into it twice, for your own work out of the band, there really isn’t anything better than that, to be able to be in both clubs. It’s the “you’re in it because you’re in a band club” and the “you’re in it because of your solo work” club.
I’m glad it happened now before I was like 78 or something. I would have had to walk in with my walker and my feathers and my sequins and my long, flowing grey hair. (Laughs) So I’m glad it happened now and not in another five or six years. What a visual!


Thanks for posting the article.


One of the more peculiar statements in the article Stevie made. I wish she would have elaborated more on why having sons would have driven her crazy.

[Feather Blade]

Thanks for posting the article.


One of the more peculiar statements in the article Stevie made. I wish she would have elaborated more on why having sons would have driven her crazy.

As a parent of two teenage boys there are days when I think it would HAVE to be easier to try and raise girls. ;)

[Jondalar]

My brother was very Athletic and would of been a perfect father for boys. He had three girls. My sister is ultra feminine and should of had a girl. Of course she had a boy.

[lovethemac1]

As a parent of two teenage boys there are days when I think it would HAVE to be easier to try and raise girls. ;)

I have both, and trust me when I say that teenage girls are something one can never quite explain, nor understand.

Teenagers of either sex are wonderful, but a bit trying at times, as I think we all were in our teenage years.:wavey:

[SteveMacD]

My brother was very Athletic and would of been a perfect father for boys. He had three girls. My sister is ultra feminine and should of had a girl. Of course she had a boy.

They should trade.

[annabellee]

Regarding baby gender: You get what you get and you don't get upset. Thank you, Mrs. Po, my son's and daughter's nursery school teacher.

[lilyfee]

In regard to the name dropping, I think there was some indication that Stevie and Prince were good friends, at least for a time. She wrote A Thousand Days about him, during the 80s she discussed phone conversations they had in interviews with a little smile on her face, she claims he invited her to write on Purple Rain, and IIRC she dedicated songs to him while in his home state prior to his death. Who knows everyone that talks to or hangs out with Stevie out of the public eye? And even if they were not as close as she now makes them out to be, he did do a little part on Stand Back and I think it is reasonable for her to lament his death at a time when she is being honored specifically for her solo work. Stand Back is one of her biggest hits, and who knows if he might have made the trip to perform with her at least once if he was still alive. We will never know.:shrug:

[Feather Blade]

I have both, and trust me when I say that teenage girls are something one can never quite explain, nor understand.

Teenagers of either sex are wonderful, but a bit trying at times, as I think we all were in our teenage years.:wavey:

Oh absolutely, but some days... When you are dealing with a bathroom floor sullied because someone was too lazy to aim (again), or you're sending someone back to the shower to actually wash for real this time. Girls at least must not have the frustrating lack of hygiene issues. :eek: :lol:

[vivfox]

I wish she would have elaborated more on why having sons would have driven her crazy.


They always leave the toilet seat up.

[lovethemac1]

Oh absolutely, but some days... When you are dealing with a bathroom floor sullied because someone was too lazy to aim (again), or you're sending someone back to the shower to actually wash for real this time. Girls at least must not have the frustrating lack of hygiene issues. :eek: :lol:

I beg to differ. The girls were worse than the boys at times (hygiene wise). Then that changes and you can’t get them OUT of the bathroom. They all have their quirks.

[Feather Blade]

I beg to differ. The girls were worse than the boys at times (hygiene wise). Then that changes and you can’t get them OUT of the bathroom. They all have their quirks.

Maybe kids should come with a convenient time-share option. Trade back and forth seasonally or something. :)

[jwd]

They always leave the toilet seat up.

:laugh: Ah, now I understand!

[sands of time]

“The Mac will be back! But for now, it's a wrap for the holidays. I had such a great time over these last few months (2 months of rehearsals, and 2.5 months on the road)... It is such an honor to be onstage with these legends every night, and I am so happy to be back after all of these years. The positivity and camaraderie has been second to none compared to any other tour I have taken part on...” -Taku

See, if Stevie had said “The positivity and camaraderie has been second to none compared to any other tour I have taken part on..,” it would have been construed as commentary on Lindsey, as opposed to simple commentary on the current tour.

Uh, it is abundantly clear that the Taku quote is commentary on Lindsey. It's also clear that the "positivity and camaraderie" is about as genuine as "Everything Is Awesome" from The Lego Movie.

[bwboy]

Uh, it is abundantly clear that the Taku quote is commentary on Lindsey. It's also clear that the "positivity and camaraderie" is about as genuine as "Everything Is Awesome" from The Lego Movie.

I really didn't take it that way, but it is possible. However, of the 5 tours I've seen FM (Behind the Mask, the Dance, Say You Will, Greatest Hits, and the current one), I've never seen them as affectionate and genuinely happy as they are on this current tour. Christine and Stevie seemed really close, as did Neil and Christine and Neil and Stevie. And Mike seemed really close to Christine. Seeing Christine perform on stage like never before was inspiring to me. I don't think they're so happy and upbeat because Lindsey isn't there, but because Neil and Mike have clearly inspired them. That may sound like semantics to some people, but I really believe that's why this tour may be different. If Taku was saying the positivity was due to Lindsey's absence, well he has the right to say that, too. It's his perception/opinion, after all. But I really don't think that's what he meant.

[BigAl84]

Uh, it is abundantly clear that the Taku quote is commentary on Lindsey. It's also clear that the "positivity and camaraderie" is about as genuine as "Everything Is Awesome" from The Lego Movie.

No....actually it is not abundantly clear that he's referring to Lindsey at all. That is your opinion, not a fact. Until one of us calls him up and asks to clarify, nobody knows a darn thing.

You are aware he's worked with Lindsey before on solo tours?

[bombaysaffires]

I really didn't take it that way, but it is possible. However, of the 5 tours I've seen FM (Behind the Mask, the Dance, Say You Will, Greatest Hits, and the current one), I've never seen them as affectionate and genuinely happy as they are on this current tour. Christine and Stevie seemed really close, as did Neil and Christine and Neil and Stevie. And Mike seemed really close to Christine. Seeing Christine perform on stage like never before was inspiring to me. I don't think they're so happy and upbeat because Lindsey isn't there, but because Neil and Mike have clearly inspired them. That may sound like semantics to some people, but I really believe that's why this tour may be different. If Taku was saying the positivity was due to Lindsey's absence, well he has the right to say that, too. It's his perception/opinion, after all. But I really don't think that's what he meant.

yes and for years Lindsey and Stevie put on a great show of affection for each other.

In other words, how they act onstage, whilst putting on a show is not necessarily indicative of anything that goes on offstage. Stevie often stays in a totally different hotel to the rest of the band. So when not on the same stage or airplane together, who knows how much time they actually spend together or what the nature of the relationship is. Not saying they don't, just saying what happens onstage isn't a gauge of what happens offstage.

[DownOnRodeo]

If Taku was saying the positivity was due to Lindsey's absence, well he has the right to say that, too. It's his perception/opinion, after all. But I really don't think that's what he meant.

Taku used to be Lindsey's solo drummer after he toured with the band on Say You Will, right? Wow, Lindsey must have been such a tyrant for Taku to voluntarily suffer through a solo tour with him even after the 12 month (?) SYW world tour... :p

My honest opinion is that any perceived "good vibrations" on stage this time would not be due to Lindsey's absence per se, but to do with the fact that the remaining members (and, in Neil's case in North America, the new members) know that they have something to prove, given the "What the..?" cloud that hung over the start of the tour and initially (?) sketchy ticket sales.

Glad to hear that Christine is performing "like never before"...

[DownOnRodeo]

In other words, how they act onstage, whilst putting on a show is not necessarily indicative of anything that goes on offstage. Stevie often stays in a totally different hotel to the rest of the band. So when not on the same stage or airplane together, who knows how much time they actually spend together or what the nature of the relationship is.

As seemingly indicated by the fact that Mick and Christine were only able to communicate their congratulations about the HOF induction by tentatively whispering it to the exulted only after she appeared on stage.

Mick and Christine (whispering privately to Stevie): "Congratulations."
Stevie aka Gilderoy Lockhart, to entire arena: "Well! I would normally never do this, but since my backing musicians have insisted on making an announcement, I suppose I must reluctantly take a few minutes of this Fleetwood Mac show to discuss my acclaimed solo career!"

[DownOnRodeo]

They should trade.
Maybe kids should come with a convenient time-share option. Trade back and forth seasonally or something.

The Ledge has always been a place for trading bootlegs and other memorabilia.
I suppose children-trading was the next logical step!

[bwboy]

yes and for years Lindsey and Stevie put on a great show of affection for each other.

In other words, how they act onstage, whilst putting on a show is not necessarily indicative of anything that goes on offstage. Stevie often stays in a totally different hotel to the rest of the band. So when not on the same stage or airplane together, who knows how much time they actually spend together or what the nature of the relationship is. Not saying they don't, just saying what happens onstage isn't a gauge of what happens offstage.

I agree with everything you said. And a lot of what I saw was my perception, of course. But even with the Dance tour, which was just a repeat of the televised concert, I felt everything was fake. Not the original televised concert- I believed everything was genuine then, and that FM was just as surprised by how well it went as the fans were- but the tour itself, where they all repeated themselves, from the hug after Landslide to the concert chatter.

I also agree that "what happens onstage isn't a gauge of what happens offstage." To be honest, I don't really care too much what happens offstage, but I do care what happens onstage. And what I saw onstage for this tour was a real spontaneity, genuine affection, and happiness. Let me put it this way- if it's fake, I couldn't tell like I could before.

[bwboy]

As seemingly indicated by the fact that Mick and Christine were only able to communicate their congratulations about the HOF induction by tentatively whispering it to the exulted only after she appeared on stage.

Mick and Christine (whispering privately to Stevie): "Congratulations."
Stevie aka Gilderoy Lockhart, to entire arena: "Well! I would normally never do this, but since my backing musicians have insisted on making an announcement, I suppose I must reluctantly take a few minutes of this Fleetwood Mac show to discuss my acclaimed solo career!"

:laugh: I have no idea who Gilderoy Lockhart is, but this was still hilarious! You forgot to add, Stevie then dedicated Landslide to... herself!

I hadn't known that Taku had toured with both FM and LB before. That gives credence to the thought that his comments were a reflection on the current lineup, and not a hidden dig at Lindsey.

[secondhandchain]

Of course tambourine hag doesn’t want to talk about Lindsay. Because she looks awful and she is just that.

[secondhandchain]

She would’ve hated to have sons? What a piece of work she is.

[sands of time]

You are aware he's worked with Lindsey before on solo tours?

Yes. That is the context that proves my point. He says "blah blah blah better than any tour I've ever been on." And he has many years experience working with Lindsey. If someone who had never worked with Lindsey before were to make that statement, it would have nothing to do with Lindsey. Taku's quote has everything to do with him.

[BigAl84]

Yes. That is the context that proves my point. He says "blah blah blah better than any tour I've ever been on." And he has many years experience working with Lindsey. If someone who had never worked with Lindsey before were to make that statement, it would have nothing to do with Lindsey. Taku's quote has everything to do with him.

That's not how that works. That statement could be interpreted many different ways, nothing is concrete. You're putting words in his mouth that simply are not there. You can take it for whatever you *think* it implies but it's strictly your opinion and nothing more than that.

[cbBen]

Yes. That is the context that proves my point. He says "blah blah blah better than any tour I've ever been on." And he has many years experience working with Lindsey. If someone who had never worked with Lindsey before were to make that statement, it would have nothing to do with Lindsey. Taku's quote has everything to do with him.

He also toured with Stevie 2005-06.

2003-04: Fleetwood Mac, Buckingham "Soundstage" appearance (2003) (as percussionist, though he played an electronic drum)
2005-06: Nicks
2006-07: Buckingham (as the main drummer, not an auxiliary percussionist)
2010: Nicks (just a few shows, not a full-scale tour)
2018-19: Fleetwood Mac

So maybe (just maybe) he and Buckingham didn't get along, and so Fleetwood Mac could invite him back only after Lindsey's departure. Just speculation. Lindsey changed drummers after the second leg of his Under The Skin tour, but I don't know the circumstances. It may have been nothing more than Lindsey deciding to go with an experienced drummer rather than someone whose experience was as a percussionist. Even if under innocuous circumstances, it might have just been too politically infeasible for them to keep working together in Fleetwood Mac given that in 2007 Taku either left or was asked to.

[sodascouts]

sodascouts, I don't know if Prince would have gone to the induction ceremony or not, but if he had, he wouldn't have had to drop everything to do so, given the amount of notice he would have had. But your points are well made, as usual!


No, he wouldn't have to drop anything. I was just using dramatic wording to give it a bit of flair, but you're absolutely right. And thanks for the kind words of late. :)

Regarding Taku - regardless of whether you take his statement as critical of Lindsey or simply positive towards Neil/Mike/et al, one thing is for sure: it presents the current state of affairs in terms of "camaraderie" etc as preferable to the state of affairs when Lindsey was with the band. Thus, it implicitly makes the argument that Lindsey's firing was the right decision, if one is judging by that metric.

That rubs me the wrong way, I must admit.

[DownOnRodeo]

I have no idea who Gilderoy Lockhart is

:eek: Then I fear we may never truly be friends. :p

Stevie these days is dreadfully reminiscent to me of both Gilderoy Lockhart and Horace Slughorn.

I might refer to her henceforth as Stevie Slughorn--or perhaps Gilderoy Wildheart?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/4051b6b6a3a82a62dfd7852722e8cc39/tumblr_p8h0bxwpI51wkswzyo1_400.gif
Stevie and Lindsey duel onstage at their 2028 reunion tour.

[Feather Blade]

:eek: Then I fear we may never truly be friends. :p

Stevie these days is dreadfully reminiscent to me of both Gilderoy Lockhart and Horace Slughorn.

I might refer to her henceforth as Stevie Slughorn--or perhaps Gilderoy Wildheart?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/4051b6b6a3a82a62dfd7852722e8cc39/tumblr_p8h0bxwpI51wkswzyo1_400.gif
Stevie and Lindsey duel onstage at their 2028 reunion tour.

#I stand with Snape. ;)

[StreetAngel86]

I thought she barely knew Prince, in everyone else's reality.

I love how she makes this illusion that they were the greatest of friends and that's why his death made such a massive impact on her. and she must honor him.

but didn't they meet up like 3 times?
i've always had the impression he didn't really give a $h!t about her
they def weren't "friends"

this article is all $tevie lies.
surprise surprise :rolleyes:

ETA: let's guess at the 3 songs ...
Rhiannon, Dreams, Landslide **bangs head**
ooooh you mean solo ... and super important because of dead people ... SDMHA, Edge ... um ...

[StreetAngel86]

So maybe (just maybe) he and Buckingham didn't get along, and so Fleetwood Mac could invite him back only after Lindsey's departure. Just speculation. Lindsey changed drummers after the second leg of his Under The Skin tour, but I don't know the circumstances. It may have been nothing more than Lindsey deciding to go with an experienced drummer rather than someone whose experience was as a percussionist. Even if under innocuous circumstances, it might have just been too politically infeasible for them to keep working together in Fleetwood Mac given that in 2007 Taku either left or was asked to.

dunno the dates of Lindsey solo shows
but circa 2005 Taku was on tour with Bette Midler ... and a lot of her other tours since then.

also ... $tevie $lughorn ... bwaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahahaha ... she is definitely Lockheart in woman form. Celebrity is as celebrity does.

[cbBen]

dunno the dates of Lindsey solo shows

Taku left after the April 18 show, just before the band appeared on "Ellen" less than a week later: http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/albums/undertheskin/under_the_skin_tourdates.html

His lack of touring with FM 2009-15 could indeed just be due to a lack of availability.

[sands of time]

That's not how that works.

That's just your opinion.

[BigAl84]

That's just your opinion.

Actually no, that's not an opinion thats a fact. Putting words in somebody's mouth is exactly that. He never mentioned Lindsey AT ALL so you have absolutely ZERO basis for anything you want to infer from the comment. The context of the statement was the tour itself, not Lindsey Buckingham. Save your BS for somebody else.

[secret love]

Actually no, that's not an opinion thats a fact. Putting words in somebody's mouth is exactly that. He never mentioned Lindsey AT ALL so you have absolutely ZERO basis for anything you want to infer from the comment. The context of the statement was the tour itself, not Lindsey Buckingham. Save your BS for somebody else.

God, such childish bickering. Make it stop.

[sands of time]

Actually no, that's not an opinion thats a fact. Putting words in somebody's mouth is exactly that. He never mentioned Lindsey AT ALL so you have absolutely ZERO basis for anything you want to infer from the comment. The context of the statement was the tour itself, not Lindsey Buckingham. Save your BS for somebody else.

Still just your opinion.

[SteveMacD]

Still just your opinion.

As someone who’s been on tour with different lineups of the same band, and as someone who follows Taku on Facebook, I understood what he was saying. It’s not about specific people, it’s about the dynamic of the group as a whole at that particular moment in time, which is very in the moment. That dynamic can change even if that group doesn’t. For whatever reason, things seemed to click in a certain way on this particular leg.

[BigAl84]

As someone who’s been on tour with different lineups of the same band, and as someone who follows Taku on Facebook, I understood what he was saying. It’s not about specific people, it’s about the dynamic of the group as a whole at that particular moment in time, which is very in the moment. That dynamic can change even if that group doesn’t. For whatever reason, things seemed to click in a certain way on this particular leg.

Well said, Steve!

[David]

Stevie Nicks: ‘There Is Nothing Better Than Being Inducted Into the Hall of Fame’

I’m a huge fan of Def Leppard. I know them and they always come to our shows. I know them pretty well and I really love their music, actually, and I have their music on my road tapes that I make and I listen to every night between 5:00 and 8:00 every night that I do a show. That’s my inspiration, a lot of my favorite groups.
I’m a huge fan of Janet Jackson. She’s also all over all my tapes. I listen to Janet almost every single night.
Since we've all been hearing about Stevie's road tapes and mix tapes for thirty years, wouldn't it be cool if she gave us a big song list of those tapes? I never got the impression that she was a very daring listener prone to dipping into the unknown, instead preferring to listen to popular, radio-friendly songs. But on the other hand, she has mentioned occasional songs or artists that I'm surprised she listens to. I'd love to have a giant list. Maybe as a little Christmas present for fans, Stevie could write out a list of her tapes.

[sands of time]

I understood what he was saying.

Sweet Jesus. I am IMMMpressed!

You were the one that Courtney was bellowing at on the rehearsal tape of "Life Despite God," right? "No, Steve! Calm it down, Steve! Don't go that far! It's too much, Steve! Tasteful!"

[SteveMacD]

Sweet Jesus. I am IMMMpressed!

You were the one that Courtney was bellowing at on the rehearsal tape of "Life Despite God," right? "No, Steve! Calm it down, Steve! Don't go that far! It's too much, Steve! Tasteful!"

Funny story: She was at an outdoor show in Brooklyn. The other roadie asked if I wanted to meet her. I didn’t.

[sands of time]

Funny story: She was at an outdoor show in Brooklyn. The other roadie asked if I wanted to meet her. I didn’t.

I must have you confused with someone else.

[rubylounge]

Stevie had not spoken to Prince since the Purple Rain movie premiere, apparently. That’s why it’s hilarious when she talks as if they were close for all this time.

Actually, there was an interview that Stevie spoke about being at Prince's Superbowl performance in 2007. It was raining and she talked about watching Prince in the rain. She said that they had spoken before/after the show. I do not think they were as close as she leads people to believe though. :confused:

[rubylounge]

I would have ended up having a house full of sons, which would have driven me crazy, so I probably made the right decision.

Strange thing to say considering she has her Great Nephew "Roman" :shocked:

[StreetAngel86]

I would have ended up having a house full of sons, which would have driven me crazy, so I probably made the right decision.

Strange thing to say considering she has her Great Nephew "Roman" :shocked:

truthfully, i really don't think she sees him that much at all
her birthday and christmas maybe.
prob forgot she has one.

[gldstwmn]

Prince would not have performed with Stevie. He was notoriously quite shy.



I agree. What was he going to do? Play the synthesizer on Stand Back? :laugh: This is just how she reminisces.

[gldstwmn]

Yes - and that wasn't exactly a golden afternoon together. She got wasted and he had to "nearly drag [her] up the stairs" to sleep it off.


I wonder if All Over You was the song they worked on? I'm guessing it was.

[gldstwmn]

Funny story: She was at an outdoor show in Brooklyn. The other roadie asked if I wanted to meet her. I didn’t.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Probably a wise life decision...

[petep9000]

I wonder if All Over You was the song they worked on? I'm guessing it was.

Yes. Another poster who had a contact at Atlantic confirmed that "All Over You" (or, "All Over U" in Prince spelling) was handed over for the Enchanted box set but for whatever reason they decided to not include it, and that is IS Prince.

[aleuzzi]

I’ve been pretty disappointed by and with Stevie for the last few years. But there’s nothing in this interview that strikes me as offensive or alarming. Exaggerated and revisionist yes, but nothing hateful here. I just see a woman so enthusiastic about what’s happened to her that when she isn’t blathering on and on about what and who she’s grateful about, she’s spitballing all kinds of stuff. She should enjoy the moment she spent decades engineering.

[studyinscarlet]

Holy crap the whining about Lindsey continues. :rolleyes: GTF over it already people. Congrats to Stevie. This interview is just typical Stevie, the way she's always been. (And no baby, you didn't make the right decision about your kids. :) But you probably know that already.)

[tothegypsy]

And no baby, you didn't make the right decision about your kids. :) But you probably know that already.)

The decision to have children or not have children is deeply personal...it seems a bit creepy to presume to know what would have been best for her.

[studyinscarlet]

The decision to have children or not have children is deeply personal...it seems a bit creepy to presume to know what would have been best for her.

Creepy? Umm, not killing your babies is not creepy. She'd probably be a grandma by now. She's always talking about these singers like 'daughters', but fact is, they're not. There could have been. ps. She's always talking about how she didn't have children, so that 'deeply personal' bit doesn't fit with Stevie.

[tothegypsy]

Creepy? Umm, not killing your babies is not creepy.

This really isn't the venue for this kind of proselytizing.

[studyinscarlet]

This is not the appropriate venue for your beliefs about a woman's right to control her own body.

:rolleyes: You're a mod here are ya? I see you've been here for a while. Seriously? This discussion has been had many times. Stevie admits the aborts, your complaint was about my mentioning children. I'm addressing your complaint. It's not my problem if you believe killing babies is okay. But, we're actually talking about that cause Stevie talked about it and you complained about it.

[Phil]

It's one thing to discuss your dislike of Stevie as a person, her catalogue of work and her live performance but to weigh in on such a delicate matter of abortion is a step too far.
Stevie, as any other woman who's had an abortion, made a choice that was appropriate for her life circumstances. Whether the knowledge is public or not, it should not be discussed by anyone but the person dealing with the issue.
To suggest that termination is akin to killing is just absurd. What an insensitive, heartless person one must be to adopt such an attitude. Goodness gracious, we're not living in the 1950's anymore.

[studyinscarlet]

It's one thing to discuss your dislike of Stevie as a person, her catalogue of work and her live performance but to weigh in on such a delicate matter of abortion is a step too far.
Stevie, as any other woman who's had an abortion, made a choice that was appropriate for her life circumstances. Whether the knowledge is public or not, it should not be discussed by anyone but the person dealing with the issue.
To suggest that termination is akin to killing is just absurd. What an insensitive, heartless person one must be to adopt such an attitude. Goodness gracious, we're not living in the 1950's anymore.

Let's put it this way. I have my opinion, you have yours. ps. Killing a child(born or yet to be born) is as heartless as it gets. So, do not come at me from that angle. No, it's not the 50's. But does that mean killing is now approved? Nope. The choice was with birth control. 'Termination' is a fancy word for cut up and sucked out. Otherwise, without the 'termination' what happens? No termination...you have a baby. So, what are you 'terminating'? A baby. That's not absurd, it's fact.

But my little comment at the end of my comment seems to have stirred up the pro-aborts. Well, folks I'm pro-life. There it is. My opinion.

[tothegypsy]

The Chit Chat forum feels like a more appropriate place for repeating pro-birth, right wing talking points.

[studyinscarlet]

The Chit Chat forum feels like a more appropriate place for repeating pro-birth, right wing talking points.

Whatever. You know, you started this. I gave my opinion, but you had a problem with someone expressing their opinion. So, don't tell me where to post, what to post etc. I love Stevie. I pray for Stevie. God is awesome. You have a problem with that? Not my concern.

[Dr.Brown]

I'd been a member of this site for almost 15 years but pretty much gave up on it (and the band) after what happened last year. Growing up, Stevie was the one who drew me into the band. I was captivated when I saw the Gypsy video on MTV. So sad to see how things turned out for her. I think Stevie realized she made a mistake with her abortion(s!). Don Henley mentioned the lyric in Sara about the 'heartbeat that never really died' referring to her aborting their child. In the Rooms on Fire video she held onto a baby while singing about dreaming of a 'wanton luxury' and being separated from her dream of having a husband and child. Finally, there is her song 'Goodbye Baby' where she sings 'I'll be with you one day'. Such a heartbreaking song.

Her recent statement about 'probably having boys' comes off as a weak justification. Sad that her mindset was that she had to sacrifice (literally) having a family in order to be a 'star' and not a 'cleaning lady'. This was not the case for her touring mate Chrissie Hynde who had a child with Kinks singer Ray Davies but continued her successful career both with The Pretenders and solo.

I do think there is a lot of bitterness, regret, envy in Stevie now when she thinks of Lindsey and his family. More than anything, I think this has been building within her for a while and Musicares just provided an excuse and opportunity to stab him in the back. IMHO, abortion is a horrible, selfish act and sadly her selfishness is all she has left now. The Rock Hall of Fame award only enables this further. The fact that the other band members went along with what she did last year was awful. A lot of selfishness there too but I guess consistent with how poorly they had treated Bob Welch. At any rate, I no longer consider myself an active fan anymore. I might occasionally listen to a song and lurk here but that's about it. I don't plan on attending any more of their concerts or buy any music releases.

[tothegypsy]

It's one thing to discuss your dislike of Stevie as a person, her catalogue of work and her live performance but to weigh in on such a delicate matter of abortion is a step too far.
Stevie, as any other woman who's had an abortion, made a choice that was appropriate for her life circumstances. Whether the knowledge is public or not, it should not be discussed by anyone but the person dealing with the issue.
To suggest that termination is akin to killing is just absurd. What an insensitive, heartless person one must be to adopt such an attitude. Goodness gracious, we're not living in the 1950's anymore.

Thank you for posting. I get that folks have different views on this issue, but I think a line is crossed when folks start claiming to know what's best for a woman who is ultimately a stranger to them...even if people feel they know her through lyrics and interviews.

[cbBen]

I think this has been building within her for a while and Musicares just provided an excuse and opportunity to stab him in the back.

In the podcast containing the interview with the new lineup of the band, the Rolling Stone interviewer recalled that, when he interviewed Stevie in 2013 at a Fleetwood Mac show, she played her music too loud and Lindsey pounded on the wall to get her to quiet down (rather than handling it a different way).

Behind the scenes, I don't think the two of them have ever gotten along well since 1997. It still baffles me that she chose to work with him on "Twisted."

[bombaysaffires]

I'd been a member of this site for almost 15 years but pretty much gave up on it (and the band) after what happened last year. Growing up, Stevie was the one who drew me into the band. I was captivated when I saw the Gypsy video on MTV. So sad to see how things turned out for her. I think Stevie realized she made a mistake with her abortion(s!). Don Henley mentioned the lyric in Sara about the 'heartbeat that never really died' referring to her aborting their child. In the Rooms on Fire video she held onto a baby while singing about dreaming of a 'wanton luxury' and being separated from her dream of having a husband and child. Finally, there is her song 'Goodbye Baby' where she sings 'I'll be with you one day'. Such a heartbreaking song.

Her recent statement about 'probably having boys' comes off as a weak justification. Sad that her mindset was that she had to sacrifice (literally) having a family in order to be a 'star' and not a 'cleaning lady'. This was not the case for her touring mate Chrissie Hynde who had a child with Kinks singer Ray Davies but continued her successful career both with The Pretenders and solo.

I do think there is a lot of bitterness, regret, envy in Stevie now when she thinks of Lindsey and his family. More than anything, I think this has been building within her for a while and Musicares just provided an excuse and opportunity to stab him in the back. IMHO, abortion is a horrible, selfish act and sadly her selfishness is all she has left now. The Rock Hall of Fame award only enables this further. The fact that the other band members went along with what she did last year was awful. A lot of selfishness there too but I guess consistent with how poorly they had treated Bob Welch. At any rate, I no longer consider myself an active fan anymore. I might occasionally listen to a song and lurk here but that's about it. I don't plan on attending any more of their concerts or buy any music releases.

I actually think her not having children was SMART. She wasn't going to take the time necessary to raise them that's for sure. What we'd likely have seen would be kids who ended up in rehab -- this is a woman who let her DOG eat COCAINE ffs. NOT good mother material. This is a woman who fed her friend her klonopin when she was at a mega dose just to see what would happen. NOT good mother material. Should she have been smarter and more responsible about birth control? Absolutely. But she shouldn't have had kids to make others feel better. Those kids would be, in my opinion, based on the evidence of her behavior and attitudes, totally effed up. And they would have some nice abandonment issues as she left them to tour the world and get high while they were raised by whomever, and who knows how well. If you're gonna have kids, you should commit to raising them and protecting them from all the abuse and perversion in the world. She wouldn't have done that, and I wouldn't wish that kind of upbringing on anyone. And don't tell me her mother could have raised them or whatever-- why should she, after having done the right thing raising her own kids, get stuck raising the kids of her irresponsible selfish daughter? Nope, I think everyone was better off with her not having them.

[lilyfee]

I actually think her not having children was SMART. She wasn't going to take the time necessary to raise them that's for sure. What we'd likely have seen would be kids who ended up in rehab -- this is a woman who let her DOG eat COCAINE ffs. NOT good mother material. This is a woman who fed her friend her klonopin when she was at a mega dose just to see what would happen. NOT good mother material. Should she have been smarter and more responsible about birth control? Absolutely. But she shouldn't have had kids to make others feel better. Those kids would be, in my opinion, based on the evidence of her behavior and attitudes, totally effed up. And they would have some nice abandonment issues as she left them to tour the world and get high while they were raised by whomever, and who knows how well. If you're gonna have kids, you should commit to raising them and protecting them from all the abuse and perversion in the world. She wouldn't have done that, and I wouldn't wish that kind of upbringing on anyone. And don't tell me her mother could have raised them or whatever-- why should she, after having done the right thing raising her own kids, get stuck raising the kids of her irresponsible selfish daughter? Nope, I think everyone was better off with her not having them.

I agree with this. Since Stevie brought up the possbility of children in this interview I think it is fair game to discuss her own words about having/not having children however I wish the discussion would not turn into a moral argument on abortion.

For what it is worth, usually when Stevie discusses not having had children, she expresses sorrow about the eight years she lost to Klonopin. I think that is the time she feels like she could have had or raised a child, rather than the earlier years such as during Buckingham Nicks, the peak of Fleetwood Mac or the start of her solo career.

I think her statement about probably having boys was entirely in jest, poking fun at her reputation as a "fairy godmother" to so many women. She jokes that she envisions this house full of sisters of the moon and laments that this never came to fruition but in reality she could have had all boys and her affinity for the female energy would have been useless.

I would love to see Stevie collaborate with more of her "daughters." Her work with Sheryl Crow for Trouble in Shangri-La and Practical Magic is lovely and I love the way her voice blends with Lana Del Rey's in Beautiful People, Beautiful Problems.

I don't even like Taylor Swift, but imagine if she collaborated with Taylor Swift (in the studio, never again live after that one Grammys performance:sorry:), or Vanessa Carlton, or Haim, or Lorde or even my ultimate fantasy, Beyonce! I would love to see that.

[singertobe]

Let's put it this way. I have my opinion, you have yours. ps. Killing a child(born or yet to be born) is as heartless as it gets. So, do not come at me from that angle. No, it's not the 50's. But does that mean killing is now approved? Nope. The choice was with birth control. 'Termination' is a fancy word for cut up and sucked out. Otherwise, without the 'termination' what happens? No termination...you have a baby. So, what are you 'terminating'? A baby. That's not absurd, it's fact.

But my little comment at the end of my comment seems to have stirred up the pro-aborts. Well, folks I'm pro-life. There it is. My opinion.

I'm pro life too. And I don't think Stevie would have a problem with that seeing as she's such a big fan of the twilight saga which openly speaks out against the act.

[lilyfee]

I'm pro life too. And I don't think Stevie would have a problem with that seeing as she's such a big fan of the twilight saga which openly speaks out against the act.

Some people are pro-life, some people are pro-choice and most people are probably somewhere in the middle with exceptions. Stevie made her choice and obviously it was a personal one. It is not up to other people to judge whether someone choosing not to have children was the wrong choice, nor does it mean someone who makes that choice is a baby killer. And I think it is clear from what Stevie has said publicly that she does not regret her abortion(s) but she does regret being addicted to klonopin for eight years, during which time she might have otherwise chosen to have kids.