SPIN - LB Calls Current Group a “Cover Band" (Stereogum article excerpts)

[elle]

https://www.spin.com/2018/12/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-reunion-possible/

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Lindsey Buckingham Is Down to Rejoin Fleetwood Mac, Calls Current Group a “Cover Band”
Tosten Burks // December 10, 2018

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Lindsey Buckingham sat down with Stereogum for an interview about his solo career that inevitably landed on the topic of his ongoing feud with Fleetwood Mac. Buckingham said he’s willing to return to the group, couching his offer in a series of digs at his former bandmates. “Look, it’s Fleetwood Mac, anything’s possible. Maybe they’ll get it out of their system,” he said. “If they ask me to come back, would I? Sure.”

Buckingham added, spicily, that his return would be in the group’s best interest, and compared Fleetwood Mac’s current tour lineup to a cover band. “Look, I mean it does make me question who these people are,” he said, “but again, to look at it compassionately, I think it’s all coming from a lack of perspective and to some degree a certain weakness on their parts. I can’t stop loving them because of that.”

That wasn’t Buckingham’s only snide remark. Hypothesizing why he hasn’t spoken for months with Mick Fleetwood or Stevie Nicks, he called Fleetwood “too weak-willed” and Nicks “so needy for a certain kind of attention and maybe not wanting to compete with the vitality that I have.” Elsewhere, he described Fleetwood’s 2015 autobiography as “a real trashy thing” and said the drummer “doesn’t have a mechanism for self-editing.”

Buckingham recently settled his lawsuit with the band over his alleged firing earlier this year, as he revealed Saturday on CBS This Morning, but it’s clear the legal resolution hasn’t cleared the air. Buckingham’s solo tour wrapped last night in Pennsylvania. You can read Stereogum’s full interview here.

[Nick]

Sounds like he wants to be back in the band more than they actually want him back. I still would rather have a new album from the current lineup more than a tour with LB back.

[DownOnRodeo]

Sounds like he wants to be back in the band more than they actually want him back. I still would rather have a new album from the current lineup more than a tour with LB back.

And he would rather be doing his solo stuff anyway, but yes he'd like to see better closure for their legacy. But they're a drain on his resources--mental, musical, and time--so I'm glad he makes it clear that he doubts it's going to happen.

[DownOnRodeo]

Sounds like he wants to be back in the band more than they actually want him back. I still would rather have a new album from the current lineup more than a tour with LB back.

A new album from the current lineup? Can't wait to hear all of those great new Stevie tunes she was holding out on the rest of Fleetwood Mac for the past fifteen years.

[jbrownsjr]

A new album from the current lineup? Can't wait to hear all of those great new Stevie tunes she was holding out on the rest of Fleetwood Mac for the past fifteen years.

I Really Do Love Me
verse....

I love myself
I love myself
I love myself

Chorus
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you will never forget me
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

verse 2...
I love myself more than last verse
I lover myself more than last verse
I love myself more than last verse
bahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Repeat chorus

Written By Stevie Nicks Jimmy Iovine Rick Nowels Rod and Sandy Stewart Mike Campbell and Chrissy Hyde

[Storms123]

Sounds like he wants to be back in the band more than they actually want him back. I still would rather have a new album from the current lineup more than a tour with LB back.

I don’t think this current iteration will do anything beyond the last 2019 tour dates. And I can’t imagine why Neil and Mike would want to stick around for more

[Nick]

A new album from the current lineup? Can't wait to hear all of those great new Stevie tunes she was holding out on the rest of Fleetwood Mac for the past fifteen years.

Haha. Not holding my breath, was just saying. I wouldn’t expect more than 3 or 4 new songs per songwriter anyway. In Stevie’s case she could pull from her old demos and we wouldn’t be shocked.

[The Chain]

Written By Stevie Nicks Jimmy Iovine Rick Nowels Rod and Sandy Stewart and Chrissy Hyde


:lol::lol::lol:

[jbrownsjr]

:lol::lol::lol:

From the same 2 F and G major chords.

[DownOnRodeo]

I Really Do Love Me
verse....

Written By Stevie Nicks Jimmy Iovine Rick Nowels Rod and Sandy Stewart and Chrissy Hyde

All that matters is the running time.

Under five minutes?
Add another verse!

Still too short?
Repeat the entire song from start to finish!
#Lady

[jbrownsjr]

All that matters is the running time.

Under five minutes?
Add another verse!

Still too short?
Repeat the entire song from start to finish!
#Lady

Can you imagine Rod and Sandy Stewart together... :lol:

[Buster]

jbrown cracks me up.

I’m very glad to see Lindsey both speaking his mind and leaving the door open for giving the band the closure it needs and that fans deserve.

I am very cautiously optimistic.

[jbrownsjr]

jbrown cracks me up.

I’m very glad to see Lindsey both speaking his mind and leaving the door open for giving the band the closure it needs and that fans deserve.

I am very cautiously optimistic.

Thanks.. :wavey:

I don't think she will ever work with him again. I would love to see her go solo and the fearsome foursome do an album and small tour.

[Buster]

Thanks.. :wavey:

I don't think she will ever work with him again. I would love to see her go solo and the fearsome foursome do an album and small tour.

I selfishly need my own closure with the Rumours 5. However, I’d be just fine with the above. Stevie came alive with the 24 Karat tour and I’d love to see what another solo tour would bring. Perhaps she will get really bold and do entire Bella Donna or something like that. Or entire Street Angel :laugh:

[FM77]

From the same 2 F and G major chords.

She made millions upon millions with those 2 chords though....nice work, right?

[bwboy]

Sounds like he wants to be back in the band more than they actually want him back. I still would rather have a new album from the current lineup more than a tour with LB back.

I'm with you. I, too, would rather have a new album by the current lineup than another tour with Lindsey. I really don't think Mick, Stevie, or John have any interest in recording with Lindsey again, especially after his interview. However, I can see them all recording with Neil, along with Christine. Christine I can see recording another album with Lindsey, too. But FM recording with Lindsey again? I really don't see that happening.

[ryan4136]

No matter how successful she’s been solo, the most recognized solo song from any of them is and will always be a LB song.

[cbBen]

"Stand Back" is I bigger than anything he did. So is "Stop Draggin' Your Heart Around" (which I realize she didn't write).

The only #1 hit any of them wrote is "Dreams."

[Jondalar]

Stevie turned Fleetwood Mac into a cover band because she had nothing new to offer.

[elle]

"Stand Back" is I bigger than anything he did. So is "Stop Draggin' Your Heart Around" (which I realize she didn't write).

The only #1 hit any of them wrote is "Dreams."

wait what? bigger than Holiday Road?

i think Eo17 is her huge solo song. and then however many Tom Petty ones i didn't even know she was on.

Don't Stop, Go Your Own Way and Landslide are probably the most well known FM songs to general public. whether they were #1 on some ancient chart nobody cares about anymore or not. The Chain is huge too, and was never even a single.

[ryan4136]

Holiday Road is far more recognizable, any way you slice it.

[elle]

i love this new candid LB. pulling no punches. making it clear Azoff muzzled him for the sake of bleeding-in FM cash through him. making it clear Mick is "weak" and cannot edit himself or knowing where to draw the line in any of his personal endevours. finally calling his wife his soulmate, something he never did in interviews before, now when he doesn't have to walk on eggshells anymore to appease Nicks.

i bet Christine and John are jealous they cannot let loose but still have to toe the party line!

on that note, i'd love it if McVies quit the sham band after this tour is over and join LB for another album and tour. or if LB has to rejoin FM (i really hope it never comes to that!), then it has to be FM without people that caused all this huge time waste for FM since 1998 (while trying to build their own solo brand instead). LB, McVies and Mick are fast with recording and pushing out new stuff with that classic FM feel, and both LB and CM are still very prolific and creative. we can get several FM albums out of those 4.

[mitzo]

Sounds like he wants to be back in the band more than they actually want him back. I still would rather have a new album from the current lineup more than a tour with LB back.

Agreed 100%

[AncientQueen]

...Buckingham said he’s willing to return to the group, couching his offer in a series of digs at his former bandmates. “Look, it’s Fleetwood Mac, anything’s possible. Maybe they’ll get it out of their system,” he said. “If they ask me to come back, would I? Sure.”

Buckingham added, spicily, that his return would be in the group’s best interest, and compared Fleetwood Mac’s current tour lineup to a cover band. “Look, I mean it does make me question who these people are,” he said, “but again, to look at it compassionately, I think it’s all coming from a lack of perspective and to some degree a certain weakness on their parts. I can’t stop loving them because of that.”

That wasn’t Buckingham’s only snide remark. Hypothesizing why he hasn’t spoken for months with Mick Fleetwood or Stevie Nicks, he called Fleetwood “too weak-willed” and Nicks “so needy for a certain kind of attention and maybe not wanting to compete with the vitality that I have.” Elsewhere, he described Fleetwood’s 2015 autobiography as “a real trashy thing” and said the drummer “doesn’t have a mechanism for self-editing.”

So he wants back and thinks insulting them is the right way?
After him being so "classy" for nearly a year, the band settled with him. He deserves all the money he got. But the second his lawyers aren't advising him to play nice or be quiet, he uses every opportunity to prove their point, that he was a pain...
I was shocked and sad when the band fired him, but in the last interviews, he is not doing himself any favours, spewing vitricol, making snide comments, all passive ggressive with "I love them, but..." Sure Lindsey.
His solo tour is over, he is probably already bored - can't he just go into a studio and do some recording or anything else productive?
He should move on, his ex-band has.

[HomerMcvie]

So he wants back and thinks insulting them is the right way?
After him being so "classy" for nearly a year, the band settled with him. He deserves all the money he got. But the second his lawyers aren't advising him to play nice or be quiet, he uses every opportunity to prove their point, that he was a pain...
I was shocked and sad when the band fired him, but in the last interviews, he is not doing himself any favours, spewing vitricol, making snide comments, all passive ggressive with "I love them, but..." Sure Lindsey.
His solo tour is over, he is probably already bored - can't he just go into a studio and do some recording or anything else productive?
He should move on, his ex-band has.
I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties...:laugh::wavey:

[justcrazylove]

So he wants back and thinks insulting them is the right way?
After him being so "classy" for nearly a year, the band settled with him. He deserves all the money he got. But the second his lawyers aren't advising him to play nice or be quiet, he uses every opportunity to prove their point, that he was a pain...
I was shocked and sad when the band fired him, but in the last interviews, he is not doing himself any favours, spewing vitricol, making snide comments, all passive ggressive with "I love them, but..." Sure Lindsey.
His solo tour is over, he is probably already bored - can't he just go into a studio and do some recording or anything else productive?
He should move on, his ex-band has.

I can't be bothered, but I would love it if someone complied every Stevie Nicks comments regarding Lindsey since 2003. Don't come at me with this **** about vitriol, snide comments, and passive aggressiveness. Are you being purposefully obtuse, or is the sheer lack of awareness unintentional. You Stevie fans have no idea what irony is.

[SteveMacD]

I can't be bothered, but I would love it if someone complied every Stevie Nicks comments regarding Lindsey since 2003. Don't come at me with this **** about vitriol, snide comments, and passive aggressiveness. Are you being purposefully obtuse, or is the sheer lack of awareness unintentional. You Stevie fans have no idea what irony is.
I agree. I cringed when she called him “Mr. Useless” last year.

Still, it’s hard to maintain the high road while slinging mud with pigs.

[elle]

I can't be bothered, but I would love it if someone complied every Stevie Nicks comments regarding Lindsey since 2003. Don't come at me with this **** about vitriol, snide comments, and passive aggressiveness.

or way longer than that. completely agree with you. she's been hitting him way below the belt for decades. somehow she's been given a pass for all that, over and over. now he's just stating some facts, after she got him fired and ruined their band - and now he's somehow the bad guy? she's been holding Fleetwood Mac back since 1998 - when they staged the intervention for him to come back, according to his Stereogum interview. why would he need to be the only one who has to be overly and boringly diplomatic in that band, always putting band first and yet always being accused of not doing that, while Mick and Stevie can be hypocritical, trashy and passive agressive and that's somehow fine?

this interview is refreshing and fun. all his interviews from last week are. he calls spade a spade. well, about time! if one doesn't like sincerity and calling it like it is, don't read LB's interviews. it's as simple as that. his whole lawsuit was about putting out the truth, he won, and he's putting it out!

[SteveMacD]

or way longer than that. completely agree with you. she's been hitting him way below the belt for decades. somehow she's been given a pass for all that, over and over. now he's just stating some facts, after she got him fired and ruined their band - and now he's somehow the bad guy? she's been holding Fleetwood Mac back since 1998 - when they staged the intervention for him to come back, according to his Stereogum interview. why would he need to be the only one who has to be overly and boringly diplomatic in that band, always putting band first and yet always being accused of not doing that, while Mick and Stevie can be hypocritical, trashy and passive agressive and that's somehow fine?
I don’t think Mick has said anything other than it was an unhappy situation and that he asked for a delay. Lindsey admitted asking for a delay (which is when I think the decision was made), and it obviously wasn’t happy, otherwise why fire someone?

this interview is refreshing and fun. all his interviews from last week are. he calls spade a spade. well, about time! if one doesn't like sincerity and calling it like it is, don't read LB's interviews. it's as simple as that. his whole lawsuit was about putting out the truth, he won, and he's putting it out!
It certainly has to be cathartic for him. Let’s just hope, for his sake, that it’s construed as catharsis and not as bridge burning, because he’s the only one talking about a possible reunion, not them.

[justcrazylove]

This last week of press from Lind's; as I've stated previously, are the most interesting and honest we've seen from this band in recent memory.

My biggest issue with the discourse is the fact that Fleetwood Mac got the first swing in their CBS interview, they presented their version of events; of which some fans choose to believe, I recall SugarMouse stating that until Lindsey breaks his silence he/she could only believe the version of events being proffered. The moment Lindsey started defending himself those same people wanted the Mac to have the right of reply, Saying Lindsey "MUST have done something" and wanting to give Stevie another right of reply.

Well in my world that's BS, they wouldn't have settled if they had just cause for his firing. You don't get a do-over once your lies have been exposed.

Truthfully, I don't know what the end game is for the fan community, it's so fractured and nasty that it mirrors the current state of world politics. Our once sacred and treasured band of which most of us have followed for well over 15/20 years has now descended into heartbreak.

I hope sooner rather than later I can return to the band's music as a whole without thinking about this situation. Until that point, Lindsey's VITAL solo career on which he is still a creative entity is a solace to me.

[cbBen]

Lindsey admitted asking for a delay (which is when I think the decision was made), and it obviously wasn’t happy, otherwise why fire someone?

I agree on the timing. I think this is more or less what happened:

1. In November 2017 Lindsey asks for delay, the band refuses, and he storms out of the band meeting. The band decides to fire him, but also decides to wait until after MusiCares to pull the trigger.

2. Lindsey meanwhile withdraws his request, but by then he is the proverbial dad man walking, as they have already decided to cut ties.

3. When fired, in Lindsey's mind it can't be on account of his insistence on a delay because he had since withdrawn that request, but in the band's mind November (not January) was when he was really fired.

4. The band cites his insistence on a tour delay to justify the firing, but is vague and misleading on the timeline. They say he wanted to wait a year, but it was a year from the band meeting, not a year from when they wanted to start touring. Stevie also says "next November" instead of "November 2018" or just "November," which leaves the door open to the inference that he wanted a delay of up to 19 months.

Wonder how things would have unfolded (including in the studio) had Lindsey let Sheryl Crow into the band in 2008 like Mick and Stevie wanted.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree. I cringed when she called him “Mr. Useless” last year.

Still, it’s hard to maintain the high road while slinging mud with pigs.

that one made me choke on my dinner!!! :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

I don’t think Mick has said anything other than it was an unhappy situation and that he asked for a delay. Lindsey admitted asking for a delay (which is when I think the decision was made), and it obviously wasn’t happy, otherwise why fire someone?


It certainly has to be cathartic for him. Let’s just hope, for his sake, that it’s construed as catharsis and not as bridge burning, because he’s the only one talking about a possible reunion, not them.

Not true, Christine made an overture about Stevie wanting him back..

[justcrazylove]

So by this reasoning, during the negotiation stage of the tour planning, a monumental decision was made between two of the five legitimate members of the band, with two of the key songwriters unaware of the plan to replace a key member. If your timing or version of events is true, treason is certainly an appropriate word to bandy around.

[SteveMacD]

Not true, Christine made an overture about Stevie wanting him back..

She did.

Then he talked publicly about it.

[John Run]

I don’t think Mick has said anything other than it was an unhappy situation and that he asked for a delay. Lindsey admitted asking for a delay (which is when I think the decision was made), and it obviously wasn’t happy, otherwise why fire someone?


It certainly has to be cathartic for him. Let’s just hope, for his sake, that it’s construed as catharsis and not as bridge burning, because he’s the only one talking about a possible reunion, not them.

Actually it is pretty clear Lindsey had agreed to tour on FM timetables prior to the decision. Thus the instant decision to settle.

Christ on a Stick Steve you are bending over backwards to support the band on an unsupportable decision.

Lindsey is an arrogant ahole who probably got some of what was coming to him. But he is the principal sonic architect of all the writers’ songs since 1975. To act like this is a better band without him is just pure lunacy or maybe jealousy.

[SteveMacD]

So by this reasoning, during the negotiation stage of the tour planning, a monumental decision was made between two of the five legitimate members of the band, with two of the key songwriters unaware of the plan to replace a key member. If your timing or version of events is true, treason is certainly an appropriate word to bandy around.

Obviously two key songwriters were out of the loop. We already knew that, though. That would also true if the decision had been made after MusiCares. Even Lindsey doesn’t blame Christine for what went down.

[SteveMacD]

Actually it is pretty clear Lindsey had agreed to tour on FM timetables prior to the decision. Thus the instant decision to settle.
Doesn’t dispute my theory, though. I think he was gone after making the request. In fact, I’ve never suggested there was one single factor in his firing.

Christ on a Stick Steve you are bending over backwards to support the band on an unsupportable decision.
Who said I supported the decision? I disagreed with the decision, but I like who they got and see the merit in what they’re doing musically, but I never said I agreed with the decision.

Lindsey is an arrogant ahole who probably got some of what was coming to him. But he is the principal sonic architect of all the writers’ songs since 1975. To act like this is a better band without him is just pure lunacy or maybe jealousy.
Who said it was better?

[elle]

I agree on the timing. I think this is more or less what happened:

1. In November 2017 Lindsey asks for delay, the band refuses, and he storms out of the band meeting. The band decides to fire him, but also decides to wait until after MusiCares to pull the trigger.

2. Lindsey meanwhile withdraws his request, but by then he is the proverbial dad man walking, as they have already decided to cut ties.

3. When fired, in Lindsey's mind it can't be on account of his insistence on a delay because he had since withdrawn that request, but in the band's mind November (not January) was when he was really fired.

4. The band cites his insistence on a tour delay to justify the firing, but is vague and misleading on the timeline. They say he wanted to wait a year, but it was a year from the band meeting, not a year from when they wanted to start touring. Stevie also says "next November" instead of "November 2018" or just "November," which leaves the door open to the inference that he wanted a delay of up to 19 months.

Wonder how things would have unfolded (including in the studio) had Lindsey let Sheryl Crow into the band in 2008 like Mick and Stevie wanted.

y'all do realize that they SHOULD HAVE given him that delay in the first place? not fire him for it! yet he said ok, no delay. he bent over backwards for that band over and over. and somehow some here find justified to fire him over wanting measly 2 months for his solo career that has been put om the back burner while waiting for Nicks since 2012? or over one sentence he said in some interview nobody even knows about except like 2 people here who are fixated on it. :laugh:

please.

[SteveMacD]

and somehow some here find justified to fire him over wanting measly 2 months for his solo career that has been put om the back burner while waiting for Nicks since 2012?
Seems like he went forward with a solo tour in 2012, and the LBCM tour.

However, apples and oranges from 2012. That was six years ago, Stevie was extending a tour for an album that had been out for a year, Christine wasn’t in the band, and John hadn’t had cancer.

or over one sentence he said in some interview nobody even knows about except like 2 people here who are fixated on it. :laugh:
Aside from being in the L.A.Times, that interview was broadcast on SiriusXM. I heard it when I was driving through Indianapolis on my way home from Chicagoland. Damn near wrecked my car! I remember looking over at my girlfriend and cringing. She cringed, too. Regardless, none of us had money invested in that wannabe festival series. Azoff had millions. Can we at least agree that the comment did Lindsey no favors?

[elle]

Seems like he went forward with a solo tour in 2012, and the LBCM tour.

However, apples and oranges from 2012. That was six years ago, S.

cute. we all know why he went forward with OMS. it was in Mick's Playboy interview, remember that one? and also in Dancin' that LB performed at 2 opening shows of OMS. he did the next best thing because SN has ditched the mac. as she does. over and over.

see, that's why i wanted to meet you in person and talk it over a drink - because i cannot believe you really can say all this with a straight face and i'm tired of going in useless circles :shrug:. but seems you were afraid to! :laugh: there are tons of people who found me at these LB shows. one just had to want to!

[SteveMacD]

cute. that's why i wanted to meet you in person and talk it over a drink - because i cannot believe you really can say all this with a straight face :shrug:. but seems you were afraid to! :laugh: there are tons of people who found me at these LB shows. one just had to want to!
Nothing personal. It took eight hours to get to Canton and it was very cold. Between the methotrexate hangover, Raynaud’s, and Sjogren’s, I felt lucky to even see the show. If I had known people were sticking around, I might have, but I was feeling cold and fatigued.

[SteveMacD]

Also, wasn’t the biggest reason for OMS because Neale hurt his back?

[justcrazylove]

It did him no favours in the context of these futile debates, but can we agree that the comment was accurate, that those style of festivals are cash grab oldies **** designed for casual fans, the same fans that are attending the current Mac tour.

Moreover, the Classic East/West shows were ripoffs of the dessert shows that were played by bigger bands, much bigger bands the previous year. Lindsey and Chris towed the company line by playing them in the first place, they were in the middle of promoting their album; can you not understand Lindsey's viewpoint.

[cbBen]

we all know why he went forward with OMS. it was in Mick's Playboy interview, remember that one? and also in Dancin' that LB performed at 2 opening shows of OMS. he did the next best thing because SN has ditched the mac. as she does. over and over.

What is OMS?

[elle]

Also, wasn’t the biggest reason for OMS because Neale hurt his back?

nope. it was OMS becaiuse half of his touring band was touring with SN (Brett) and Chicago (Wally). he had practically the whole start of new FM album recorded with Mick and John at the time and they were waiting for Stevie, remember? she said nope, and added a year to her solo tour. guess she should have been fired right then and there?

[SteveMacD]

One Man Show. It was Lindsey’s solo acoustic/karaoke tour.

[elle]

What is OMS?

One Man Show.

the tour Lindsey did in 2012, because SN ditched the mac. he did it completely alone, he was travelling with just the guitar tech and the sound guy, for a while. it was so successful that he added 4 separate legs.

it was a pretty fantastic tour. lots of sold out expensive but miniature venues. the only real complaint was that the setlist was too short. then again, comparing to this year's spectacular setlist he has, OMS one cannot hold a candle!

[elle]

One Man Show. It was Lindsey’s solo acoustic/karaoke tour.

:lol: Steve thinks everyone's OMS tour has to be a carbon copy of Richard Thompson. i saw Richard Thompson. great voice and great sense of humor. by the end of his show i was bored. to each his / her own.

on his OMS, Lindsey did 4 songs with backup samples (ISA and Come, for example). it was way less backup samples than his current tour. and it was in your face - he would start the sample and then start playing. he was not hiding it. his ISA from that tour was my favorite version from this decade. till he played ISA for my daughter at a show last week. :xoxo:

that all said i absolutely hated how short Lindsey's OMS setlist was.

[SteveMacD]

It did him no favours in the context of these futile debates, but can we agree that the comment was accurate, that those style of festivals are cash grab oldies **** designed for casual fans, the same fans that are attending the current Mac tour.
Of course that’s what they’re intended for. That’s what any festival is for. As for this tour, it’s no more a cash grab than if there hadn’t been a lineup change. Arguably, it’s less of a cash grab, since new lineups are risky.

Moreover, the Classic East/West shows were ripoffs of the dessert shows that were played by bigger bands, much bigger bands the previous year.
Obviously. It was Irving’s attempt to put his roster on the same footing. Futile attempt, regardless.

Lindsey and Chris towed the company line by playing them in the first place, they were in the middle of promoting their album; can you not understand Lindsey's viewpoint.
I never didn’t understand his viewpoint. I’ve never said I disagree with what he said (and I don’t). But, it’s bad politics to have gone there.

[bwboy]

It did him no favours in the context of these futile debates, but can we agree that the comment was accurate, that those style of festivals are cash grab oldies **** designed for casual fans, the same fans that are attending the current Mac tour.

Isn't every tour a cash grab? :shrug: Bands tour because they love to perform and they make a lot of money doing something they love.

There were a lot of people at the FM show I attended who appeared to be much more than "casual fans." I understand what the implication is when people use the term "casual fan" when discussing the current lineup... that the "real fans" aren't going to the tour. Hey, if that makes people feel better to think that, go for it.

[justcrazylove]

Bad politics? what do we expect from our favourite bands, truthful accounts of their art and career, or politically correct statements as to not upset anyone? Truthfully I don't want another FM tour, I do want a recorded final show with the 5. At least Lindsey is not hamstrung by the PR machine that is attached to Irving and FM moving forward.

[jbrownsjr]

She did.

Then he talked publicly about it.

Once again she inspired him. And a bridge will bring them back together.

[SteveMacD]

Once again she inspired him. And a bridge will bring them back together.

Not if he burns it down, first.

[jbrownsjr]

Not if he burns it down, first.

Or if they ghost him in the fog again. Sorry to hear you were sick in Canton. I would have gone to that show if it wasn't so close to the holiday. Wanted to meet you and bwboy.

[SteveMacD]

Bad politics? what do we expect from our favourite bands, truthful accounts of their art and career, or politically correct statements as to not upset anyone?
Accounts about each other? The former.

Accounts about one of the most powerful men in the industry, your manager, and someone who’s probably in for tens of millions or more and is putting seven figures in your pocket? Most certainly the latter!

[DownOnRodeo]

Moreover, the Classic East/West shows were ripoffs of the dessert shows that were played by bigger bands, much bigger bands the previous year.

There were dessert shows?

I know that Stevie and FM have done tours at wineries in Australia, but a dessert show is definitely something I could sign up for!

(PS Particularly if you're allowed to throw pies at any of the band members you can't stand...)

[SteveMacD]

There were dessert shows?

I know that Stevie and FM have done tours at wineries in Australia, but a dessert show is definitely something I could sign up for!

(PS Particularly if you're allowed to throw pies at any of the band members you can't stand...)
http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Grand-Floridian-Gingerbread-House-2014-2-001.jpg

[Netter75]

I selfishly need my own closure with the Rumours 5. However, I’d be just fine with the above. Stevie came alive with the 24 Karat tour and I’d love to see what another solo tour would bring. Perhaps she will get really bold and do entire Bella Donna or something like that. Or entire Street Angel :laugh:

Entire Bella Donna album with Blue Lamp, Gold & Braid, and Sleeping Angel included and filmed for Blu-Ray release is the absolute dream.

[bwboy]

Or if they ghost him in the fog again. Sorry to hear you were sick in Canton. I would have gone to that show if it wasn't so close to the holiday. Wanted to meet you and bwboy.

That would have been nice, jbrownsjr. I'm sorry Hawkeye wasn't able to make it, either. It was very cold that day, and the snow flurries didn't help, but it was a great show! I will definitely see Lindsey next year, and I'm holding him to his promise to play Countdown!

[DownOnRodeo]

photo of giant house made of chocolate in foyer of lavish mansion[/IMG]

Thanks--I'd been wondering what Irving's living room looked like.

[cbBen]

I will definitely see Lindsey next year, and I'm holding him to his promise to play Countdown!

Oh, I've been waiting on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xng3czUNa_w

[bombaysaffires]

"Stand Back" is I bigger than anything he did. So is "Stop Draggin' Your Heart Around" (which I realize she didn't write).

The only #1 hit any of them wrote is "Dreams."

SB- which she basically stole from Prince.
SDMHA- Tom and the Heartbreakers which she added vocals to
Dreams- which became a hit because of John's signature bass line, Chris and Lindsey's backing vocals (with hers) on the pre chorus which was Ken's idea, and Lindsey's amazing guitar work winding through it and with Chris's amazing synth lines.

She can't do anything by herself. If left on her own, she could not sit and entertain an audience her and a piano (think Christine, or Tory Amos, or Billy Joel, for example) or her and a guitar (think Lindsey, Tom, Mike, Bruce, or a million others).

[DownOnRodeo]

She can't do anything by herself. If left on her own, she could not sit and entertain an audience her and a piano (think Christine, or Tory Amos, or Billy Joel, for example) or her and a guitar (think Lindsey, Tom, Mike, Bruce, or a million others).

Just wait till she proves you wrong with her 2020 "One Woman Tambourine" tour!

[bombaysaffires]

Just wait till she proves you wrong with her 2020 "One Woman Tambourine" tour!

well, now that u mention it, she maybe could do the ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding dah bit from Gypsy that Mike plonks out on 1 finger during the tour. Or maybe not. It's more than 2 notes (it was written by Lindsey, after all).

[luminol]

SB- which she basically stole from Prince.
SDMHA- Tom and the Heartbreakers which she added vocals to
Dreams- which became a hit because of John's signature bass line, Chris and Lindsey's backing vocals (with hers) on the pre chorus which was Ken's idea, and Lindsey's amazing guitar work winding through it and with Chris's amazing synth lines.

She can't do anything by herself. If left on her own, she could not sit and entertain an audience her and a piano (think Christine, or Tory Amos, or Billy Joel, for example) or her and a guitar (think Lindsey, Tom, Mike, Bruce, or a million others).

I could not agree more.

Most of her Fleetwood Mac songs are great because of the contributions of many: multiple musicians, vocalists, and producers combining their talents to make an outstanding work of art.

That said, her solo work quite frankly is weak. I cannot listen to her albums. I own all of them because I wanted to like them being such a FM fan for so long, and yet am NEVER compelled to listen to any of it... truly, NEVER. Whenever I have in the past, I get bored immediately. Her best song, as already mentioned, was gifted to her by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers after she basically stalked and hounded him. So she added vocals: big whoopee.

I will never understand why people love her solo work or pay big bucks to hear her sing it. I feel like any number of musicians could produce similar quality. It's no where close to her FM tracks and we all know why. /rant over

(side note: I've never understood why Fleetwood Mac agreed to perform Stand Back for so many tours. As if they don't have enough FM songs to choose from! I simply don't get it... except for Stevie throwing her weight around.)

[DownOnRodeo]

well, now that u mention it, she maybe could do the ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding dah bit from Gypsy that Mike plonks out on 1 finger during the tour. Or maybe not. It's more than 2 notes (it was written by Lindsey, after all).

There is NO WAY that Stevie could play that part, at least not in anything resembling real time and without dots pasted to the required keys.* I'm not even joking.

David Oberman should be able to back me up on that one.

(* Or STRINGS (??) if it's a Mike Campbell zitherphone. <-- Added in case Steve Hopkins is monitoring this hall of the Ledge!)

[SteveMacD]

She can't do anything by herself.
Which is probably why she worked the hardest to establish her own name. She couldn’t take anything for granted. Lindsey and Christine have significant gaps between albums and/or tours. Stevie doesn’t.

[luminol]

Just wait till she proves you wrong with her 2020 "One Woman Tambourine" tour!

Thank you for the laugh. I truly needed it today. :laugh:

[DownOnRodeo]

And for a much needed dose of levity:

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"Never Before Seen! small print: "...For good reason!"

[bwboy]

Oh, I've been waiting on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xng3czUNa_w

Thanks, cbBen! Lindsey looked so young back then!

I am amazed that you provided such a great link to a rare and wonderful performance by Lindsey here, and people instead choose to debate why certain songs by the band or solo members were hits. Give it a rest, folks! I mean, who cares?!? Why don't you watch that YouTube performance by Lindsey and enjoy it, instead of trying to bring people down by minimizing your least favorite member of FM, whether it be Stevie or Lindsey?

[DeepBlueDee]

Oh, I've been waiting on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xng3czUNa_w

That's so great! :cool: Thanks! 😊

[HomerMcvie]

And for a much needed dose of levity:

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"Never Before Seen! small print: "...For good reason!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

WHY is $he counting off the song, when $he's the only one playing?

That sounds like $he could have turned around and played the keys with her arse, and sounded just as good. PLONK, PLONK, PLONK.

Thanks for posting that. I need a good laugh. What a maroon! :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

WHY is $he counting off the song, when $he's the only one playing?

That sounds like $he could have turned around and played the keys with her arse, and sounded just as good. PLONK, PLONK, PLONK.

Thanks for posting that. I need a good laugh. What a maroon! :laugh:

Lord, that is so bad. :shocked:

It's how we learn our notes in our small jazz group to work out parts. Only with more notes. lol She may as well just speak the parts or growl them.

[HomerMcvie]

Lord, that is so bad. :shocked:

It's how we learn our notes in our small jazz group to work out parts. Only with more notes. lol She may as well just speak the parts or growl them.

WHO counts off a song when accompanying themselves?

I remember a review for The Wild Heart, where the reviewer was making fun of her arrhythmic countoff at the beginning of Enchanted.

A musical genius, $he is.

[jbrownsjr]

WHO counts off a song when accompanying themselves?

I remember a review for The Wild Heart, where the reviewer was making fun of her arrhythmic countoff at the beginning of Enchanted.

A musical genius, $he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuGGnbj0FzA

Try listening to this.

[GavinBrown]

As for counting down....AHHHH 2 A 3 O 4.....Lindsey problems with Trouble! lol

[HomerMcvie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuGGnbj0FzA

Try listening to this.

WTF was with the harmony vocals all during the verse?

And that Bob Glaub(the bass player) and his RIDICULOUS seizures...

But here's a golden moldy that I never get tired of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms

[Nicks Fan]

I could not agree more.

Most of her Fleetwood Mac songs are great because of the contributions of many: multiple musicians, vocalists, and producers combining their talents to make an outstanding work of art.

That said, her solo work quite frankly is weak. I cannot listen to her albums. I own all of them because I wanted to like them being such a FM fan for so long, and yet am NEVER compelled to listen to any of it... truly, NEVER. Whenever I have in the past, I get bored immediately. Her best song, as already mentioned, was gifted to her by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers after she basically stalked and hounded him. So she added vocals: big whoopee.

I will never understand why people love her solo work or pay big bucks to hear her sing it. I feel like any number of musicians could produce similar quality. It's no where close to her FM tracks and we all know why. /rant over

(side note: I've never understood why Fleetwood Mac agreed to perform Stand Back for so many tours. As if they don't have enough FM songs to choose from! I simply don't get it... except for Stevie throwing her weight around.)

On the Nicks Fix some time ago Sharon Celani answered this very question and said it was because Lindsey's absence made it hard to fill the set list so they did two of her solo songs. I was thing WTH??? You have tons of FM songs to chose from.

[cbBen]

Remember, they performed "Go Insane" as a band in 2009. Also, they let Lindsey do it solo in 1997.

I understand that Stevie broke the precedent with "Stand Back" (unless you count "Don't Let Me Down Again," which broke a similar if not identical precedent).

But Celani's answer makes sense to me. The band needed to do more songs by the ladies, and opted for hits like "Stand Back" over songs like "Storms" "Sisters Of The Moon" "Beautiful Child" and "That's Alright." They were trying to capitalize on Stevie's solo success at a time when its fortunes without Lindsey were an open question, and that song (the song itself, not the studio recording of it) suited Fleetwood Mac.

[ryan4136]

Stand Back I always assumed was to balance Go Insane.

Which came first the chicken or egg, not sure.

[cbBen]

They started doing "Stand Back" in 1987 (before they added "Go Insane").

[SteveMacD]

Stand Back I always assumed was to balance Go Insane.

Which came first the chicken or egg, not sure.

They started doing Stand Back in 1987, and did HAEWAFY instead of Landslide on that tour.

[AncientQueen]

I can't be bothered, but I would love it if someone complied every Stevie Nicks comments regarding Lindsey since 2003. Don't come at me with this **** about vitriol, snide comments, and passive aggressiveness. Are you being purposefully obtuse, or is the sheer lack of awareness unintentional. You Stevie fans have no idea what irony is.
What did Christine say against Lindsey since she came back? Or Mick since 1977? Stevie is not the only he talks bad about in that interview. They fired him, yes, but that is not even your argument, even if that would have been a good one. :shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

WTF was with the harmony vocals all during the verse?

And that Bob Glaub(the bass player) and his RIDICULOUS seizures...

But here's a golden moldy that I never get tired of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms

At least that's a real joke. I never liked Waddy's stage work either. Pretentious, at best...

[AncientQueen]

I never liked Waddy's stage work either. Pretentious, at best...Thank you! Couldn't agree more.

[jmn3]

At least that's a real joke. I never liked Waddy's stage work either. Pretentious, at best...

His playing always seemed to have the subtlety of a porcupine. Those early solo Gypsy’s were horrible all around.

[justcrazylove]

What did Christine say against Lindsey since she came back? Or Mick since 1977? Stevie is not the only he talks bad about in that interview. They fired him, yes, but that is not even your argument, even if that would have been a good one. :shrug:

What? :shrug: What a nonsensical response.

[elle]

What? :shrug: What a nonsensical response.

i was confused too.

Lindsey just reiterated what Christine has been trying to say since fakewood CBS interview - and they conveniantly kept cutting out that part to be able to sell that "majority rules" / "nobody in the band was on his side" crap. :laugh: seems pretty obvious Lindsey and Chris are ok.

there are 3 people LB took some digs at in his recent truth serum interviews - Stevie, Azoff, and Mick. Azoff for being a crappy manager, Mick for being money-whore, having bad judgement and no self-editing skills, and Stevie for being a coup instigator craving attention, while creatively barren (no vitality).

i find it also interesting that Azoff screamed at Lindsey. because isn't "screaming" what poor Nicks supposedly had enough of from LB and so she had to get rid of him to be happyhappyhappy? maybe now she has Azoff screaming at her instead? :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

they conveniantly kept cutting out that part to be able to sell that "majority rules" / "nobody in the band was on his side"
When did they say nobody in the band was on his side? I always thought the “majority rules” comment was specifically to protect Christine. Christine made it pretty clear she wasn’t involved in the decision.

there are 3 people LB took some digs at in his recent truth serum interviews - Stevie, Azoff, and Mick. Azoff for being a crappy manager
Hmmm...

i find it also interesting that Azoff screamed at Lindsey.
Whereas I am not surprised in the least bit by that. It’s like Lindsey did something that annoyed him.

[elle]

Hmmm...


Whereas I am not surprised in the least bit by that. It’s like Lindsey did something that annoyed him.

for a person who claims to love creativity and indie ways, you are strangely protective of corporate money grabbing ways.

[luminol]

Remember, they performed "Go Insane" as a band in 2009. Also, they let Lindsey do it solo in 1997.

I understand that Stevie broke the precedent with "Stand Back" (unless you count "Don't Let Me Down Again," which broke a similar if not identical precedent).

But Celani's answer makes sense to me. The band needed to do more songs by the ladies, and opted for hits like "Stand Back" over songs like "Storms" "Sisters Of The Moon" "Beautiful Child" and "That's Alright." They were trying to capitalize on Stevie's solo success at a time when its fortunes without Lindsey were an open question, and that song (the song itself, not the studio recording of it) suited Fleetwood Mac.

This makes sense. Thanks for the response.

[SteveMacD]

for a person who claims to love creativity and indie ways, you are strangely protective of corporate money grabbing ways.

How am I being protective? My comments haven’t been judgmental. If anything, I’m happy Lindsey gets to do what he wants without the filter or the compromise. He should have never signed on with a major label. And, really, most indie artists wouldn’t come within a mile of someone like Azoff.

However, even on the indie level, there are certain things you just don’t do. Talking down a festival series your manager, one of the most powerful men in the business who just had enormous success by replacing a key member of a legendary band with another popular musician, was heavily financially invested in usually doesn’t end well.

[sodascouts]

I don't understand why Lindsey is taking digs when he says he hopes there will be a reunion.

These sound more like the words of someone who has been told there's no chance in hell of a reunion.

[cbBen]

However, even on the indie level, there are certain things you just don’t do.

Paul Kantner: "That's show business crap."
Bill Graham: "What business do you think you're in?"

[ryan4136]

I don't understand why Lindsey is taking digs when he says he hopes there will be a reunion.

These sound more like the words of someone who has been told there's no chance in hell of a reunion.

Because Stevie thrives off drama and mind games. The only way to communicate with her now. By her choice remember. She won’t return a phone call. So LB has to come down to her level. This is how she wants it to be, he’s obliging.

[jbrownsjr]

How am I being protective? My comments haven’t been judgmental. If anything, I’m happy Lindsey gets to do what he wants without the filter or the compromise. He should have never signed on with a major label. And, really, most indie artists wouldn’t come within a mile of someone like Azoff.

However, even on the indie level, there are certain things you just don’t do. Talking down a festival series your manager, one of the most powerful men in the business who just had enormous success by replacing a key member of a legendary band with another popular musician, was heavily financially invested in usually doesn’t end well.

He's got balls.. I'll give him that. (LB)

[elle]

I don't understand why Lindsey is taking digs when he says he hopes there will be a reunion.

These sound more like the words of someone who has been told there's no chance in hell of a reunion.

Because being ready, willing and able doesn’t necessarily mean he would like to, just that he’d do it.

He’s finally free to talk without trying to appease her. Looking at social media, apparently her worshippers, not surprisingly, are not into straight talk and calling it like it is.

[He's So Unusual]

FM ceased to be exciting 15 years ago! Other than one average EP in 2013 it's not like Lindsey brought a lot to the table after SYW. He played it safe on the last few FM tours he was involved in. How many times do we need to hear the acoustic version of Big Love? It's not like he mixed things up a lot on stage. He could have performed Tango in the Night and Crystal instead of I'm So Afraid and Never Going Back Again.

[cbBen]

Same with "Second Hand News." Could have ditched it in favor of something they don't usually play. (Of course, we don't know whether he tried and the band overrode him.)

"Blue Letter"
"Monday Morning"
"I Don't Want To Know"
"Save Me A Place"
"Walk A Thin Line"

The only oddities he seems to like to play are "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Eyes Of The World" (though I know they played "Monday Morning" in 2009).

[luminol]

How many times do we need to hear the acoustic version of Big Love? It's not like he mixed things up a lot on stage. He could have performed Tango in the Night and Crystal instead of I'm So Afraid and Never Going Back Again.

Same with "Second Hand News." Could have ditched it in favor of something they don't usually play. (Of course, we don't know whether he tried and the band overrode him.)

"Blue Letter"
"Monday Morning"
"I Don't Want To Know"
"Save Me A Place"
"Walk A Thin Line"

The only oddities he seems to like to play are "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Eyes Of The World" (though I know they played "Monday Morning" in 2009).


I agree that he had a number of songs he could have switched up. While I personally love and adore Big Love, I'd rather have heard it with the band instead of the solo version (which is amazing but yes, he plays it all the time).

I was glad to hear I Know I'm Not Wrong in 2015.... wish Tango and a few others had come out (or at least Big Love with the band) while they were still all together. NGBA could use a rest for awhile but I know people love it being from Rumours.

:)

[krrrby]

I Really Do Love Me
verse....

I love myself
I love myself
I love myself

Chorus
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you will never forget me
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

verse 2...
I love myself more than last verse
I lover myself more than last verse
I love myself more than last verse
bahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Repeat chorus

Written By Stevie Nicks Jimmy Iovine Rick Nowels Rod and Sandy Stewart Mike Campbell and Chrissy Hyde

You forgot to add about 10 "Well" and "Baby"

[krrrby]

For someone who would be happy to join the band, he sure has a lot of great things to say about them at the same time. Kind of contradicting and sh***y on his part, but I understand he's frustrated.

I don't know - Lindsey always has that cool-as-a-cucumber exterior that everyone knows and loves, he has faults just like everyone else and likely has his moments where he is a total ass to deal with. Always embellishes on his Creative Director role in the band and endless speeches about circles and cathartic processes while trying to evolve with compartmentalizing emotions without sounding facetious. La de da.

On the flip side we have Stevie who can be a straight up diva and is not afraid to make it known, but also tries to heed that cool-as-a-cucumber persona in most interviews. Embellishes on her writing skills and her only song from the group that the band has as a #1 hit.

So as if nobody here who has closely followed this band over the years should know BY NOW that this is a group of creative narcissists who love money and rock and roll.

Are we all REALLY surprised at this point that it has gone on this long and that a fall out was inevitable? Do you all REALLY think this group with two can't-get-over-it-ex-lovers was going to be all flowers and sunshine at the end of the day? There can still be love there, but I imagine for both of them you can't erase the past out of memory after all these years with no proper closure.

This was all bound to happen sooner or later. I think it's better off that they just go their own ways at this point. The damage has already been done and most fans want LB to never go back again.

[elle]

FM ceased to be exciting 15 years ago! O.
Exactly. It really ceased to exist, no matter how much LB tried. Actually 20, since the reunion. As soon as the Dance happened and they were big again, Nicks went running off to try to resurrect her completely dead solo career, stifling any band effort from 1998 on. It paid off today for her - building solo career persona on the strength of her FM cowrites with LB, while throwing FM under the bus over and over. In retrospect LB should have never agreed when they staged that intervention to get him back in. I know he’d disagree on a purely human level, but it’s true. He wasted 20 years of his life in trying to convince someone who couldn’t care less about the band to contribute to that band - while she kept saying NO!

[AncientQueen]

.Looking at social media, apparently her worshippers, not surprisingly, are not into straight talk and calling it like it is.
Well, that could have to do with people not taking the overprotective mama bears fighting Lindseys fights online THAT serious anymore. It's 10 months+ now and some moving on happened or should really happen soon by now, it get's tiring. And maybe, there is an element of compassion towards the Lindsey fans. He uses what he can for much needed media coverage just now, when Stevie is the first ever two-time female Inductee into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame while he is sinking further into irrelevance now that his tour is over. That's kinda bittersweet.

Straight talk and calling like it is is this:
Lindsey is no longer a member of Feetwood Mac.
It's over (for now).

You asked! :wavey:

[DownOnRodeo]

Straight talk and calling like it is is this:
Lindsey is no longer a member of Feetwood Mac.

Dear ancient queen, I'm saddened that you're so accepting of the lamentable current state of the band and with the unconscionable manner and timing in which it came about, or that "ten months" is anything like the allotted time for being accepting of any of it.

:(

Except for the handful of conspiracy truthers out there who think this was all a scheme leading up to The Dance Redux in 2028, I think the logical corners of the brains of Stevie fans have realized that in order for the lawsuit to have been settled so readily even without Lindsey being subject to any gag order regarding the circumstances of his ousting, one is left with the sorry conclusion that Stevie has behaved truly shamefully due to her "winner takes all" mindset.

The induction is a convenient distraction for Stevie fans to not focus on the above conclusion.
But if there is a Rock and Roll Hall of Shame, she deserves to be sent there instead.
Yet, then again, she wouldn't get inducted: because apparently she doesn't have any.

Nor, it would seem, do her more ardent fans.

[saniette]

Well, that could have to do with people not taking the overprotective mama bears fighting Lindseys fights online THAT serious anymore. It's 10 months+ now and some moving on happened or should really happen soon by now, it get's tiring. And maybe, there is an element of compassion towards the Lindsey fans. He uses what he can for much needed media coverage just now, when Stevie is the first ever two-time female Inductee into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame while he is sinking further into irrelevance now that his tour is over. That's kinda bittersweet.

Straight talk and calling like it is is this:
Lindsey is no longer a member of Feetwood Mac.
It's over (for now).

You asked! :wavey:

Stevie Nicks has no more relevance than Lindsey, actually less now that her recording career seems to be effectively over. That's what induction into the mausoleum known as the RRHOF really signalizes - the final nail in the coffin of being relevant. When is Stevie's next album coming out, based on all-new material? Lindsey at least still writes new songs.

I don't care how many boring piano plonk versions of FM songs Stevie plays on TV, that's not really relevance. She hasn't been relevant since The Dance, and that's being generous. When younger artists praise her work, they're talking about what she did 40 years ago. And hardly ever her solo stuff - it's the songs she did in FM that are most remembered.

We all know she's being inducted into the RRHOF for extra-musical reasons. She's an iconic woman, and that's great. Objectively, her solo career isn't that good. One decent album, and all downhill in quality from there. There's a lot more worthy artists not in the RRHOF, if we're basing this strictly on musical merits.

And we don't ever have to accept that it was the right thing to do to fire Lindsey. It wasn't, and that's not going to change in 10 months or 10 years from now. She abused her power in the band to get him fired - there's really no defense for that.

[vivfox]

Well, that could have to do with people not taking the overprotective mama bears fighting Lindseys fights online THAT serious anymore. It's 10 months+ now and some moving on happened or should really happen soon by now, it get's tiring. And maybe, there is an element of compassion towards the Lindsey fans. He uses what he can for much needed media coverage just now, when Stevie is the first ever two-time female Inductee into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame while he is sinking further into irrelevance now that his tour is over. That's kinda bittersweet.

Straight talk and calling like it is is this:
Lindsey is no longer a member of Feetwood Mac.
It's over (for now).

You asked! :wavey:

You know I highly respect you but I just want to say your words kinda hurt my feelings here. I understand you want to stick it to the SN haters but it is entirely possible for you to defend Stevie without putting Lindsey Buckingham down. I love my Rumours 5 as a whole unit. I don't like to read anyone putting any single one of them down.

[elle]

Stevie Nicks has no more relevance than Lindsey, actually less now that her recording career seems to be effectively over.

yup. you can spin it however you want, but relevance in music is normally ascribed to having something current to say.

it's interesting that at several most recent m&gs LB was telling fans that he's doing great, while the wheels are falling off FM bus, fast. the picture you see might be very different from what is happening behind the scenes. and SN's RS interview is even more extreme rambling version of her musicares speech which we know made everyone in that band waltz and smrk.

I Really Do Love Me
verse....

I love myself
I love myself
I love myself

Chorus
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you will never forget me
bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

verse 2...
I love myself more than last verse
I lover myself more than last verse
I love myself more than last verse
bahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Repeat chorus

Written By Stevie Nicks Jimmy Iovine Rick Nowels Rod and Sandy Stewart Mike Campbell and Chrissy Hyde

makes me sad for her.

[button-lip]

it's interesting that at several most recent m&gs LB was telling fans that he's doing great, while the wheels are falling off FM bus, fast. the picture you see might be very different from what is happening behind the scenes. and SN's RS interview is even more extreme rambling version of her musicares speech which we know made everyone in that band waltz and smrk.

And we know he's doing great, because he was nothing more than playful, and fun and chatty with us. He really wanted to listen to our opinions about his music, his songs, FM, everything.

She, on the other hand, is telling always the same scripted story, and the fact that she doesn't want to discuss anything related to Lindsey is suspicious, while he has been talking about her since day one.

[elle]

And we know he's doing great, because he was nothing more than playful, and fun and chatty with us. He really wanted to listen to our opinions about his music, his songs, FM, everything.

his "gotta forgive" got me very worried that he'll feel bad for them and get sucked back in.

[HomerMcvie]

his "gotta forgive" got me very worried that he'll feel bad for them and get sucked back in.

I hope that never happens. He truly should never go back again. Not after this sh*t show.

[jbrownsjr]

And we know he's doing great, because he was nothing more than playful, and fun and chatty with us. He really wanted to listen to our opinions about his music, his songs, FM, everything.

She, on the other hand, is telling always the same scripted story, and the fact that she doesn't want to discuss anything related to Lindsey is suspicious, while he has been talking about her since day one.

I feel like he was devastated for about a month. But, when that happens you sometimes get a re-birth. What they did to him was extremely hurtful. And when you rise above it, you fly away into the sun.

[button-lip]

I feel like he was devastated for about a month. But, when that happens you sometimes get a re-birth. What they did to him was extremely hurtful. And when you rise above it, you fly away into the sun.

I'm sure he's still trying to understand why they did what they did to him. But there are also some wackos that are still defending her, without even knowing what happened. So, as long as she has her fans and her yes-people she probably see how much harm she did.

It's her loss and you're right, he has risen above all her sh*t and is now stronger than ever. We know it hasn't been the same for her, though. :rolleyes:

[ViscountViktor]

Stevie Nicks destroyed any chances of a last Fleetwood Mac album, and a classic lineup tour. She is responsible.

[lilyfee]

Stevie Nicks destroyed any chances of a last Fleetwood Mac album, and a classic lineup tour. She is responsible.

I think this drama will go on until someone in the classic lineup dies. And if that person is not Stevie or Lindsey, then I still think there would be a possibility to tour BN. A morbid thought but this is a band known for its drama.

Lindsey and Stevie both quit the band in the 80s/90s and when they rejoined for The Dance they sounded better than ever. Granted, years passed, but this is a connection that I do not see ever being fully severed.

Perhaps an album is too much to hope for but I would not rule out a farewell tour as long as the five classic lineup members are still alive and well.

[HomerMcvie]

Why would they tour BN, when they don't want it released? Ain't gonna happen...

[button-lip]

I think this drama will go on until someone in the classic lineup dies. And if that person is not Stevie or Lindsey, then I still think there would be a possibility to tour BN. A morbid thought but this is a band known for its drama.

Lindsey and Stevie both quit the band in the 80s/90s and when they rejoined for The Dance they sounded better than ever. Granted, years passed, but this is a connection that I do not see ever being fully severed.

Perhaps an album is too much to hope for but I would not rule out a farewell tour as long as the five classic lineup members are still alive and well.

I think this time is definitely over between these two. What she did was personal, and he knows it. Hell, how many times did he say in the last couple of months that "it was all Stevie"? He's clearly hurt by her actions and I don't think his return will be so easy.

It's different this time.

[jbrownsjr]

yup. you can spin it however you want, but relevance in music is normally ascribed to having something current to say.

it's interesting that at several most recent m&gs LB was telling fans that he's doing great, while the wheels are falling off FM bus, fast. the picture you see might be very different from what is happening behind the scenes. and SN's RS interview is even more extreme rambling version of her musicares speech which we know made everyone in that band waltz and smrk.



makes me sad for her.

Feel sad for her? She's made millions off songs like that!

[button-lip]

Feel sad for her? She's made millions off songs like that!

And this would be a perfect opportunity to write a whole album about Lindsey and how she's more powerful than him. Feminists would be over the moon! :D

But yeah, behind the scenes she might be living a very different story than the one she's trying to portray. :nod: Not sad, but sorry for her .

[lovethemac1]

I think this time is definitely over between these two. What she did was personal, and he knows it. Hell, how many times did he say in the last couple of months that "it was all Stevie"? He's clearly hurt by her actions and I don't think his return will be so easy.

It's different this time.

I agree, something just seems different about it this time. Lindsey said so himself. Stevie (and Mick) pulled the ultimate slap in the face, and something says that this won't be forgotten by anyone for a very long time.

I thought Stevie's RS interview was just weird. Rambling, incoherent and bizarre in places.

[button-lip]

I agree, something just seems different about it this time. Lindsey said so himself. Stevie (and Mick) pulled the ultimate slap in the face, and something says that this won't be forgotten by anyone for a very long time.

I thought Stevie's RS interview was just weird. Rambling, incoherent and bizarre in places.

Exactly. I think this time it was too much. They crossed a line, especially Stevie. And the worst part is that she didn't seem to care. If she did, she would have tried to contact him, like Christine.

It's a shame it has to end this way. :distress:

[lennonfan]

after thinking this over for the past year my conclusion is that BuckVie should have had Mick and John with them on that 'Stevie-less' Fleetwood Mac tour that never was but should have been.

Even if that would have halved their audience the integrity would still be intact, and then BuckVie would have been free to collaborate to their (and our) hearts content!


They just wanted him in the beginning, anyway. It just would have restored original intention for the band;)

[lovethemac1]

after thinking this over for the past year my conclusion is that BuckVie should have had Mick and John with them on that 'Stevie-less' Fleetwood Mac tour that never was but should have been.

Even if that would have halved their audience the integrity would still be intact, and then BuckVie would have been free to collaborate to their (and our) hearts content!


They just wanted him in the beginning, anyway. It just would have restored original intention for the band;)

Did we ever hear specifically WHY Mick and John did not tour with BuckVie? I don't think I remember hearing the reason why they weren't touring.

Were they busy?
Did they not want to tour?
Did they decide that they had already pissed Stevie off enough?
Did Stevie let her displeasure be known?

[button-lip]

Did we ever hear specifically WHY Mick and John did not tour with BuckVie? I don't think I remember hearing the reason why they weren't touring.

Were they busy?
Did they not want to tour?
Did they decide that they had already pissed Stevie off enough?
Did Stevie let her displeasure be known?

I think #3 would be correct :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[cbBen]

Did we ever hear specifically WHY Mick and John did not tour with BuckVie?

Mick and John were probably out of their price range. The tour would probably have lost money had they shelled out the big bucks it would have taken to hire them. Even with Mick and John in the band, without the name Fleetwood Mac I don't think they would have been able to fill larger venues or command higher ticket prices.

[cbBen]

after thinking this over for the past year my conclusion is that BuckVie should have had Mick and John with them on that 'Stevie-less' Fleetwood Mac tour that never was but should have been.

Even if that would have halved their audience the integrity would still be intact, and then BuckVie would have been free to collaborate to their (and our) hearts content!

They just wanted him in the beginning, anyway. It just would have restored original intention for the band;)

I don't see why BuckVie would have been free to collaborate beyond 2017 with Stevie waiting to tour with the full Fleetwood Mac in 2018.

Or are you suggesting they should have fired Stevie? If so I disagree. You can't rightfully call it "Fleetwood Mac" without Stevie and Lindsey both. Under any circumstances.

[SteveMacD]

Even if that would have halved their audience the integrity would still be intact, and then BuckVie would have been free to collaborate to their (and our) hearts content!
Would you be willing to take a 50% pay cut? Whether we like it or not, Fleetwood Mac (with Stevie) is an arena rock band and Mick isn’t going to jeopardize that, especially after 94-95.

They just wanted him in the beginning, anyway. It just would have restored original intention for the band;)
That’s overstated. The ONLY intention was for the band to continue. The primary need was for a guitarist, followed by songwriting and vocals, especially since Bob Welch wrote 2/3 of the prior two albums. I don’t know that Mick even realized Lindsey could sing or write songs. That “original intention” lasted about as long as deciding what side to get with a cheeseburger.

From an interview with Keith Olsen

“Then I got a call on New Year’s Eve, and Mick says, “I’ve had some bad news. Bob Welch just decided to leave the band. So, that fellow in that band you played me—would you see if that guy would like to join my band?” And I said, “Well, they’re going to come as a set. Because they’re very much into their own thing, and the only chance of getting them to drop that would be to bring them both on.” And he says, “Well, maybe that will work. Can you see if you can convince them to join my band?”

https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Studio_Legends_Keith_Olsen

[cbBen]

Would you be willing to take a 50% pay cut? Whether we like it or not, Fleetwood Mac (with Stevie) is an arena rock band and Mick isn’t going to jeopardize that, especially after 94-95.


That’s overstated. The ONLY intention was for the band to continue. The primary need was for a guitarist, followed by songwriting and vocals, especially since Bob Welch wrote 2/3 of the prior two albums. I don’t know that Mick even realized Lindsey could sing or write songs. That “original intention” lasted about as long as deciding what side to get with a cheeseburger.

From an interview with Keith Olsen

“Then I got a call on New Year’s Eve, and Mick says, “I’ve had some bad news. Bob Welch just decided to leave the band. So, that fellow in that band you played me—would you see if that guy would like to join my band?” And I said, “Well, they’re going to come as a set. Because they’re very much into their own thing, and the only chance of getting them to drop that would be to bring them both on.” And he says, “Well, maybe that will work. Can you see if you can convince them to join my band?”

https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Studio_Legends_Keith_Olsen

I always felt Lindsey took a little too much credit for insisting to Mick they were a "package deal" when Keith had already told Mick as much.

[button-lip]

I always felt Lindsey took a little too much credit for insisting to Mick they were a "package deal" when Keith had already told Mick as much.

Well, yes, truth is she was part of the band because of him. No matter who told Mick they were a "package deal".

Stevie also told thousand times that she went and bought all FM records as soon as they joined the band, when in fact she asked Mick for them because of course they didn't have any money. :shrug::shrug:

[lilyfee]

Stevie also told thousand times that she went and bought all FM records as soon as they joined the band, when in fact she asked Mick for them because of course they didn't have any money. :shrug::shrug:

I always wondered how she could afford all those albums when they were basically broke!

[HomerMcvie]

I always wondered how she could afford all those albums when they were basically broke!

Because she's a pathological liar.

[Jondalar]

I always wondered how she could afford all those albums when they were basically broke!

She was probably turning tricks to support them also. Sex is nothing to her. Sex, drugs and rock and roll. She’s lived it.

[Neal]

Stevie also told thousand times that she went and bought all FM records as soon as they joined the band, when in fact she asked Mick for them because of course they didn't have any money. :shrug::shrug:

"Bought" or "got" (from Mick)... same difference. ;)

[jbrownsjr]

"Bought" or "got" (from Mick)... same difference. ;)

I wonder what she thought of Road Runner or Mrs Scarrott. :laugh:

[elle]

I wonder what she thought of Road Runner or Mrs Scarrott. :laugh:

plus, you'd think if she really listened to all those FM albums that she'd know before 2019 that Black Magic Woman is a FM song. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

plus, you'd think if she really listened to all those FM albums that she'd know before 2019 that Black Magic Woman is a FM song. :lol:

"Idiot, party of one!":lol::lol::lol:

[secret love]

The current line up of Fleetwood Mac is not any more a cover band than the Say You Will line up was. Did anyone say Stevie and Lindsey were "covering" World Turning and Don't Stop? No, of course not.

[cbBen]

The current line up of Fleetwood Mac is not any more a cover band than the Say You Will line up was. Did anyone say Stevie and Lindsey were "covering" World Turning and Don't Stop? No, of course not.

The group works without Christine but does not without Lindsey and Stevie both. Lindsey and Stevie's value stems in large measure from one another (they really did prove to be a "package deal"). Without them both, the group does not work.

Without Christine, the group may be worse but still works as Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

plus, you'd think if she really listened to all those FM albums that she'd know before 2019 that Black Magic Woman is a FM song. :lol:

Umm…she didn’t say she JUST found that out. :rolleyes:

[SteveMacD]

The group works without Christine but does not without Lindsey and Stevie both. Lindsey and Stevie's value stems in large measure from one another (they really did prove to be a "package deal"). Without them both, the group does not work.

Without Christine, the group may be worse but still works as Fleetwood Mac.

The group didn’t work without Christine, though.

[button-lip]

The current line up of Fleetwood Mac is not any more a cover band than the Say You Will line up was. Did anyone say Stevie and Lindsey were "covering" World Turning and Don't Stop? No, of course not.

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I don't think I follow you. The SYW line up is the Rumours line up, minus Christine. World Turning is a Christine/Lindsey song. He wasn't "covering" anything. :shrug::shrug:

[SteveMacD]

He wasn't "covering" anything. :shrug::shrug:
She did.

And, didn’t he sing “Oh Well” on the 2009 tour?

[HomerMcvie]

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I don't think I follow you. The SYW line up is the Rumours line up, minus Christine. World Turning is a Christine/Lindsey song. He wasn't "covering" anything. :shrug::shrug:

And Don't Stop was a Lindsey/Christine duet.

I think you might need a detective to follow that logic.

[button-lip]

And Don't Stop was a Lindsey/Christine duet.

I think you might need a detective to follow that logic.

Seriously. In that case, Mick and John were cover musicians from their first day in FM. If you're part of a band when a song is created, but you didn't write it, that doesn't mean you're covering that said song. Jeez!

[David]

Might I suggest that there's widespread misunderstanding—because it's a prosaic read of his comments—about what Lindsey actually means by "cover band"? It's not a literal-minded analysis of who wrote what and who is singing what thirty years on. That's simplistic. It's an esthetic judgment, an epithet. When Lindsey called Stevie and Christine in solo endeavors "lounge acts" in 1984, he didn't actually mean they were indistinct nobodies hired to work "the door" by crooning background ballads in casino bars. When Lindsey calls Fleetwood Mac a cover band, he means that they're out on the road—again—with a show built almost entirely on old achievements—those of Fleetwood Mac, Peter Green, Crowded House, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Stevie Nicks solo, Split Enz. The whole set belongs to distant yesterdays.

There's no universally accepted definition of "cover band," anyway. You know it when you see it. But your literal-minded analyses are bound to lead you into muddy, labyrinthine hollows. If Fleetwood Mac plays Jumpin' at Shadows, are they a cover band? If Peter Green is fifty years gone from the band and they play Black Magic Woman, are they a cover band? (Bless his heart, Peter probably doesn't even remember that he wrote it, or, worse, that he was once a member of said band.) If they play a Dave Mason song he wrote before joining Fleetwood Mac, are they a cover band? If they play a Dave Mason song he wrote while in Fleetwood Mac? If they play a Stevie Nicks or a Christine McVie solo album cut? If they play an eighties song by Neil Finn, now that he's in the band? What about a song he wrote after he joined but not as a part of? All of this is meaningless, except for parlor games. Lindsey is talking obviously about a cover band mentality. Step back from the actual wording and try to understand what he's saying.

[aleuzzi]

Might I suggest that there's widespread misunderstanding—because it's a prosaic read of his comments—about what Lindsey actually means by "cover band"? It's not a literal-minded analysis of who wrote what and who is singing what thirty years on. That's simplistic. It's an esthetic judgment, an epithet. When Lindsey called Stevie and Christine in solo endeavors "lounge acts" in 1984, he didn't actually mean they were indistinct nobodies hired to work "the door" by crooning background ballads in casino bars. When Lindsey calls Fleetwood Mac a cover band, he means that they're out on the road—again—with a show built almost entirely on old achievements—those of Fleetwood Mac, Peter Green, Crowded House, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Stevie Nicks solo, Split Enz. The whole set belongs to distant yesterdays.

There's no universally accepted definition of "cover band," anyway. You know it when you see it. But your literal-minded analyses are bound to lead you into muddy, labyrinthine hollows. If Fleetwood Mac plays Jumpin' at Shadows, are they a cover band? If Peter Green is fifty years gone from the band and they play Black Magic Woman, are they a cover band? (Bless his heart, Peter probably doesn't even remember that he wrote it, or, worse, that he was once a member of said band.) If they play a Dave Mason song he wrote before joining Fleetwood Mac, are they a cover band? If they play a Dave Mason song he wrote while in Fleetwood Mac? If they play a Stevie Nicks or a Christine McVie solo album cut? If they play an eighties song by Neil Finn, now that he's in the band? What about a song he wrote after he joined but not as a part of? All of this is meaningless, except for parlor games. Lindsey is talking obviously about a cover band mentality. Step back from the actual wording and try to understand what he's saying.

As usual, this post is graced with clear, sound observations. However, in fairness to others who are getting hung up on LB’s language, it must be said the man chooses wording that has less-than-flattering connotations. He sometimes uses those words like razors—passive aggressive ones. When he referred to Christine “burning her bridges” he wasn’t technically incorrect, but he might have used a less harsh way to word it. He did that, too, with the “rule of good writing” bit he used on Stevie in the DR doc. I think “lounge act” and “cover band”—again not technically inaccurate in their spirit, are crafted phrases meant to suggest how much the others need him. Again, I don’t think he’s wrong—but he’s not being neutral or purely objective either.

[jeets2000]

If Fleetwood Mac plays Jumpin' at Shadows, are they a cover band? If Peter Green is fifty years gone from the band and they play Black Magic Woman, are they a cover band? (Bless his heart, Peter probably doesn't even remember that he wrote it, or, worse, that he was once a member of said band.) If they play a Dave Mason song he wrote before joining Fleetwood Mac, are they a cover band? If they play a Dave Mason song he wrote while in Fleetwood Mac? If they play a Stevie Nicks or a Christine McVie solo album cut? If they play an eighties song by Neil Finn, now that he's in the band? What about a song he wrote after he joined but not as a part of?

BRB, starting new threads on all of these topics now. :lol:

Lindsey is talking obviously about a cover band mentality. Step back from the actual wording and try to understand what he's saying.

Thank you, David! Lots of needlessly argumentative tangents in this thread. Unlike other members of the band, I've never found it all that difficult to figure out what LB is saying, despite using some $5 words to say it.

I think “lounge act” and “cover band”—again not technically inaccurate in their spirit, are crafted phrases meant to suggest how much the others need him. Again, I don’t think he’s wrong—but he’s not being neutral or purely objective either.

Agree with this point, too. He knows what he's doing, which is why I suspect some have had such a visceral reaction to it. I remember reading the "lounge act" remark (well after the fact, as I didn't become a fan until The Dance) and feeling a bit defensive about it (on behalf of Stevie and Chris). I'm not the type to throw barbs like that in my own life, so I remembered feeling like I wished he had chosen softer language, but at the same time, I understood his meaning right away.

[JohnL]

I havent posted here in quite a while for obvious reasons but I swear you people are just full on mean ass no hearted assholes. Ban me...kick me out...I could care less. All of you people who just come on here to knock Stevie and Mick and anyone else who pisses you off for the day are just pure losers. No one even reads your posts anymore because any true Stevie fan knows not to come here anymore because of you asshats. All I can say is.....FU!! Bye!!

[SteveMacD]

I havent posted here in quite a while for obvious reasons but I swear you people are just full on mean ass no hearted assholes. Ban me...kick me out...I could care less. All of you people who just come on here to knock Stevie and Mick and anyone else who pisses you off for the day are just pure losers. No one even reads your posts anymore because any true Stevie fan knows not to come here anymore because of you asshats. All I can say is.....FU!! Bye!!

https://cdn.unicornbooty.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/17151647/bye-felicia.gif

[HomerMcvie]

I havent posted here in quite a while for obvious reasons but I swear you people are just full on mean ass no hearted assholes. Ban me...kick me out...I could care less. All of you people who just come on here to knock Stevie and Mick and anyone else who pisses you off for the day are just pure losers. No one even reads your posts anymore because any true Stevie fan knows not to come here anymore because of you asshats. All I can say is.....FU!! Bye!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[jmn3]

I havent posted here in quite a while for obvious reasons but I swear you people are just full on mean ass no hearted assholes. Ban me...kick me out...I could care less. All of you people who just come on here to knock Stevie and Mick and anyone else who pisses you off for the day are just pure losers. No one even reads your posts anymore because any true Stevie fan knows not to come here anymore because of you asshats. All I can say is.....FU!! Bye!!

:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[mylittledemon]

I havent posted here in quite a while for obvious reasons but I swear you people are just full on mean ass no hearted assholes. Ban me...kick me out...I could care less. All of you people who just come on here to knock Stevie and Mick and anyone else who pisses you off for the day are just pure losers. No one even reads your posts anymore because any true Stevie fan knows not to come here anymore because of you asshats. All I can say is.....FU!! Bye!!

John I'm not sure exactly what the obvious reasons are, I'm sure there's more than one (no sarcasm). But honestly, I guess we live in a world where no one is above reproach. And judging solely from what we've heard from Lindsey alone, I honestly think Stevie (all of them, really) have behaved poorly, shamefully, childishly. Now... Am I perfect? No goddamn way. So I certainly don't hold the band to some gold standard either. However I will say I'm quite disappointed in everything that's happened with regards to Lindsey exiting. It's a bit soul crushing, and frankly, I had to choose not to give too much of my energy to it. Do I still love Stevie, sure I do... she and the band were wonderful... in their time. I will always love their music. But with that said, I'm simply uninterested in whatever they are doing if it's not going to be the Rumours line-up "til the end."

[HomerMcvie]

If I had a dollar for every time he's sworn that he's leaving, and never coming back, I could buy a few cocktails.

Not trying to stir, but it's true. Absolutely true.

[Storms123]

John I'm not sure exactly what the obvious reasons are, I'm sure there's more than one (no sarcasm). But honestly, I guess we live in a world where no one is above reproach. And judging solely from what we've heard from Lindsey alone, I honestly think Stevie (all of them, really) have behaved poorly, shamefully, childishly. Now... Am I perfect? No goddamn way. So I certainly don't hold the band to some gold standard either. However I will say I'm quite disappointed in everything that's happened with regards to Lindsey exiting. It's a bit soul crushing, and frankly, I had to choose not to give too much of my energy to it. Do I still love Stevie, sure I do... she and the band were wonderful... in their time. I will always love their music. But with that said, I'm simply uninterested in whatever they are doing if it's not going to be the Rumours line-up "til the end."

Very well said. Thank you for your perspective. Enables all of us to consider looking at things with eyes wide open (I am not there yet--but I hope to get there. I miss the music)

[jbrownsjr]

If I had a dollar for every time he's sworn that he's leaving, and never coming back, I could buy a few cocktails.

Not trying to stir, but it's true. Absolutely true.

I guess we will all have to try and live with his disappointment. :sorry:

[HomerMcvie]

I guess we will all have to try and live with his disappointment. :sorry:

His Queen is perfect.

Mine is Perfekt.

[jbrownsjr]

His Queen is perfect.

Mine is Perfekt.

Hellooooo Fleetwood MacVie... it's her band... hahahahaha...

[Jondalar]

Hellooooo Fleetwood MacVie... it's her band... hahahahaha...

It’s just amazing how one of the least talented people gets to dictate the band.

[HomerMcvie]

It’s just amazing how one of the least talented people gets to dictate the band.

Hands down, the least talented. By far!

[Aussie W/Heart]

Hands down, the least talented. By far!

( SN ) = No its the MOST popular by FAR!!! and that's fair enough too :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

( SN ) = No its the MOST popular by FAR!!! and that's fair enough too :thumbsup:

No one can argue that $he's the most popular.

But there's certainly no accounting for taste. The masses are usually attracted to the lowest common denominator. Like a fly to a goat turd.:lol:

[elle]

seems many write-ups for the FM shows coming into your town involve LB mention so will paste the ones i see:

Philly:

https://www.philly.com/entertainment/music/meek-mill-ariana-grande-rolling-stones-cher-concerts-philadelphia-spring-20190204.html

The biggest concerts coming to Philadelphia, with Ariana Grande, the Rolling Stones, Cher, Meek Mill, Mott the Hoople, and more
by Dan DeLuca, Updated: February 4, 2019

Fleetwood Mac (March 9, Boardwalk Hall; March 22 and April 5, Wells Fargo Center). Can it really be Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham? Last year, the songwriter behind such big Mac hits as “Go Your Own Way” and “Second Hand News” lost a power struggle and was kicked out of the band famously full of strong personalities. It’s taken two to replace him, with Tom Petty guitarist Mike Campbell and Crowded House singer Neil Finn on board. The band is altered, but the brand carries on. (609-348-7000, boardwalkhall.com and 215-336-3600, wellsfargocenterphilly.com).


Houston:

https://www.houstoniamag.com/events/fleetwood-mac

Event Calendar
Fleetwood Mac

Lindsey Buckingham’s acrimonious departure last year was just the latest juicy chapter in the band’s tumultuous history. Now Mick, Stevie, and the rest soldier on with Crowded House’s Neil Finn and ex-Heartbreaker Mike Campbell in tow, immediately if awkwardly expanding one of pop-rock’s most exalted catalogs.


Dallas:

https://www.dallasobserver.com/music/concerts-to-see-in-dallas-including-neko-case-and-fleetwood-mac-11543799

The 10 Best Concerts of the Week: Buffalo Black, Fleetwood Mac and More
Diamond Rodrigue | February 4, 2019 | 4:05am

Fleetwood Mac
8 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 7 at American Airlines Center, 2500 Victory Ave., $122 and up at ticketnetwork.com

Mick Fleetwood, Stevie Nicks, and John and Christine McVie are ready to rock Dallas once again for their 2019 North American tour. There are some changes to the lineup. After clashes within the band over tour dates, songwriter and former guitarist Lindsey Buckingham was replaced. Instead, Neil Finn of Crowded House and Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers guitarist Mike Campbell will be lending Fleetwood Mac a hand on the AAC stage Thursday. It will be one of the first times in over 40 years that the band has played without Buckingham. Jacob Vaughn

[HomerMcvie]

It will be one of the first times in over 40 years that the band has played without Buckingham. Jacob Vaughn

Time era band?

NEVER HAPPENED.:mad:

People are ****ing idiots, and write history to suit their needs.