Stevie threw a chair at Chris during argument?

[elle]

Billy Burnette apparently said it somewhere (recently?). maybe somebody here has his original quote, or knows more. Billy B. turned out to be a source of some credible info this year.

people seem to demand to know more. so since there are weird threads all over the place here, here's another one. :shrug:

[singertobe]

That's something I never heard until today. Psychiatric drugs have a tendency to make people violent.

[dreamsunwind]

There's really no point in this thread, just like there's no point in the Lindsey thread. If she did she did. She had a lot of drug problems and mental issues as a result of them back then and probably did a bunch of things. It was a long time ago.

[elle]

That's something I never heard until today. Psychiatric drugs have a tendency to make people violent.

yeah it showed up in several other threads and people wanted a separate thread for it.

as does alcohol for at least some people, right? i don't know enough about psychiatric drugs and how they alter people's behavior, would be curious to learn more.

[TheWildHeart67]

Klonopin is a hell of a drug.
:lol:

[lovethemac1]

I saw and reported on Billy's post, it would have been in Instagram or Twitter. I am quite inept at retrieving anything online in these apps, but I will attempt!! Wish me luck. Only problem is that I don't know how to put it on here then, but I shall report back on when/where it was.

[lovethemac1]

Ok, so I found evidence of it on Twitter, but I think the original tweet has been deleted. I just put in the search box of Twitter "stevie chair chris"

October 12/18, it was commented to 7 people "Did you see the tweet from Billy Burnette about Stevie throwing a chair at Chris? I just retweeted it. I read it this morning and I kept thinking maybe that's why Chris left." 7:32 pm 12 Oct 18 (This is not my account, btw.)

It does appear Billy's original tweet has been deleted tho.

[HomerMcvie]

It does appear Billy's original tweet has been deleted tho.

Just like when he posted on fb about Lindsey being fired, and being pissed that he wasn't asked to rejoin them.

Billy likes to rant, then delete.

[secondhandchain]

Just like when he posted on fb about Lindsey being fired, and being pissed that he wasn't asked to rejoin them.

Billy likes to rant, then delete.

HA HA That's me with politics on FB. I rant then realize half the people or more don't want to hear it, I calm down and delete.

[HomerMcvie]

HA HA That's me with politics on FB. I rant then realize half the people or more don't want to hear it, I calm down and delete.

FB snooze is my favorite feature. I snooze 80% of the people who post political stuff.

I like to enjoy life. Well, except for Old Goat Breath. Then it's game on! :lol:

[secondhandchain]

FB snooze is my favorite feature. I snooze 80% of the people who post political stuff.

I like to enjoy life. Well, except for Old Goat Breath. Then it's game on! :lol:

I rarely do, but the times I do it, I delete pretty quickly. I really wish we could go back to just flip phones like Old Nasal One Note AKA Tambourine B/witch AKA Old Goat Breath.

[secondhandchain]

Oh I just got a text from Nasal One Note and she wanted to say she has more then a one note range. She posted this rebuttal version of Gypsy to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms&t=47s

[HomerMcvie]

I rarely do, but the times I do it, I delete pretty quickly. I really wish we could go back to just flip phones like Old Nasal One Note AKA Tambourine B/witch AKA Old Goat Breath.

I agree. Pre Karen days would be great.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh I just got a text from Nasal One Note and she wanted to say she has more then a one note range. She posted this rebuttal version of Gypsy to prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms&t=47s

I've shared that video quite a few times. $tevie at her best! I love her hairstyle, too. Covers up all her plastic surgery....I mean, her staying out of the sun. $he probably rolls in mud, or whatever goats do... No, it's Karen that rolls in the mud... my bad.

[HejiraNYC]

...which, even if true, is nothing compared to the violence of a man towards a woman:

"Throughout the book, Buckingham is depicted verbally and physically abusing Harris.

In one instance, she wrote, he "raised his arm and hit me hard enough to knock me off the staircase into the wall".

In another, he grabbed a fistful of her hair, got in a car and drove down a driveway, dragging her across the pavement.

Eventually, Harris claimed, a doctor told her she had to leave Buckingham for her own safety."

False equivalency much? :wavey:

[bombaysaffires]

I'm not sure the point is to say the actions themselves are equivalent; rather it reminds people that all the members of this band have behaved badly throughout their history, and have behaved badly towards each other. People like to pick and choose to suit their narrative. Like how people forget, when picking through Carol's book, when the band refused to cancel a show after Lindsey had had a seizure, and had a spinal tap and was in serious pain. One could cherry pick lots of examples.

[AncientQueen]

Like - a drunken John throwing an axe after Christine, barely missing her?
Alcohol and (legal and illegal) drug abuse do bring out the worst in people That's a fact.
Not one member of the band has been perfect (aside from the Perfect one, of course :)).

[Aisling]

I think this is the tweet that's being discussed, but it looks like it's from an older account Billy used to use:

"OKay, there was one time that Stevie a Chris were fighting (don't ask me why!) and Stvie picked up a chair and lobbed it at Chris!"

Here's the link:

https://twitter.com/RockaBilly4ever/status/34077510807330816

Interestingly a few tweets above that he says Stevie can hold a grudge. :lol:

[lovethemac1]

I think this is the tweet that's being discussed, but it looks like it's from an older account Billy used to use:

"OKay, there was one time that Stevie a Chris were fighting (don't ask me why!) and Stvie picked up a chair and lobbed it at Chris!"

Here's the link:

https://twitter.com/RockaBilly4ever/status/34077510807330816

Interestingly a few tweets above that he says Stevie can hold a grudge. :lol:

There it is, THANK YOU!!!

Interesting about the grudge. Guess that was pretty clear with her antics.

[g. fish]

In Stevie's own words...

"I think I got up and ran across the room and tried to kill him. I ran and attacked him." Stevie Nicks, Behind the Music

No big deal. After all, it's Stevie Nicks. So it doesn't count.

[HejiraNYC]

In Stevie's own words...

"I think I got up and ran across the room and tried to kill him. I ran and attacked him." Stevie Nicks, Behind the Music

No big deal. After all, it's Stevie Nicks. So it doesn't count.

Ooh, yes. All 5'1" and 98 pounds of her (at the time). So intimidating! By the way, this is also the incident where Lindsey chased her around the block, bent her over a car hood and tried to choke her to death. That'll teach her not to mess with Mister Manly Man. :rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

In Stevie's own words...

"I think I got up and ran across the room and tried to kill him. I ran and attacked him." Stevie Nicks, Behind the Music

No big deal. After all, it's Stevie Nicks. So it doesn't count.
Exactly. It's ridiculous. They'd be fine if she'd killed him.

[g. fish]

This type of violence is never okay. Doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman. Case closed.

[HejiraNYC]

I think this is the tweet that's being discussed, but it looks like it's from an older account Billy used to use:

"OKay, there was one time that Stevie a Chris were fighting (don't ask me why!) and Stvie picked up a chair and lobbed it at Chris!"

Here's the link:

https://twitter.com/RockaBilly4ever/status/34077510807330816

Interestingly a few tweets above that he says Stevie can hold a grudge. :lol:

Oh, and here is film footage of the incident:

https://media.giphy.com/media/Y8A5117JFrBcI/giphy.gif :rolleyes:

[HejiraNYC]

This type of violence is never okay. Doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman. Case closed.

Again, false equivalency. Both are bad. But men assaulting women crosses so many lines; it is never acceptable. How would you feel if Lindsey grabbed your mother by the hair with one hand out the window whilst dragging her along the pavement with a car?

[g. fish]

Violence is violence. It's never acceptable. Case closed.

[SteveMacD]

Okay, but this would have been during the Klonopin years. How far could she have thrown it?

[HomerMcvie]

Violence is violence. It's never acceptable. Case closed.

According to Ed it is, when it's a woman committing the violence. #edtoo

[NotonRodeo]

Wow. Now where are all those people who keep on complaining about Lindsey's behaviour? Why aren't they defending Christine McVie? Why aren't the chiffon contingent yelling "abusive", "misogynist" ad nauseam at their Goat Queen? Is it now all right to fling chairs at people, as long as it's not the Goat who is the target? Is not Christine McVie a proper object of sympathy too? Or is it just the Goat Queen who matters in this band? And don't blame Klonopin, I've been taking Klonopin for far longer than Stevie did and I've never flung a chair at anybody. Her drug use and alleged Klonopin abuse are just excuses for her irrational, VIOLENT, narcissistic behaviour which is only now becoming obvious because the incidents keep piling up and can no longer be hushed away.

The chiffonhead hypocrisy is disgusting.

[DownOnRodeo]

the stiletto cuts quick, like a whip through the air

I might be the only one, but I've always assumed this lyric from Firelies was a reference to her hurling a high-heel shoe at Lindsey during a fight.

[NotonRodeo]

Now I wonder what could have sparked that argument. Maybe Christine McVie smirked at the Goat Queen. But no, women aren't abusive! Only Lindsey is!

[HomerMcvie]

Now I wonder what could have sparked that argument. Maybe Christine McVie smirked at the Goat Queen. But no, women aren't abusive! Only Lindsey is!

The "victims" :p have their wagons in a circle, and they're not listening. Men are bad and mean!

[David]

I wonder if it was the Second Hand News chair during the Rumours tour.

[jbrownsjr]

I wonder if it was the Second Hand News chair during the Rumours tour.

And Christine was still playing it with her little drum-sticks. :laugh::wavey:

[HejiraNYC]

According to Ed it is, when it's a woman committing the violence. #edtoo

I didn't say that, so stop it. Look, if you think man-on-man or woman-on-woman violence is equivalent to man-on-woman violence, then you're truly sick. Get help. :wavey:

[jmn3]

I didn't say that, so stop it. Look, if you think man-on-man or woman-on-woman violence is equivalent to man-on-woman violence, then you're truly sick. Get help. :wavey:

Unless we are talking about self-defense, violence against another human is wrong. It ends there. There aren't varying degrees of acceptability - it is always wrong.

With respect to Fleetwood Mac, Stevie is on record as talking about how she went after Lindsey and attacked him. I don't care how short she is, how much she weighed at the time, what prescription drug was forcibly shoved down her throat by Dr. Meanie, it was wrong. Him doing whatever he did to her in that concert in 1980 was wrong. It's all wrong and why this ancient history even gets rehashed as any justification for what happened in 2018 to this band is beyond me.

[HomerMcvie]

I didn't say that, so stop it. Look, if you think man-on-man or woman-on-woman violence is equivalent to man-on-woman violence, then you're truly sick. Get help. :wavey:

You get help, Ed. Three different people have messaged me today, concerning YOU. They say you're a nice person in real life, and don't know why you're such an ASS on the Ledge. Seriously. Get some help, Ed.

[NotonRodeo]

I didn't say that, so stop it. Look, if you think man-on-man or woman-on-woman violence is equivalent to man-on-woman violence, then you're truly sick. Get help. :wavey:

So Stevie thwacking Christine with a chair is not a problem? It is not abuse or violence? What an utter lack of morals or sense :mad:

Admin! What has happened to my request to be delisted? It shames me to be in the same forum with such amoral people who can actually defend Stevie attacking Chris with a chair.

[HejiraNYC]

Unless we are talking about self-defense, violence against another human is wrong. It ends there. There aren't varying degrees of acceptability - it is always wrong.

With respect to Fleetwood Mac, Stevie is on record as talking about how she went after Lindsey and attacked him. I don't care how short she is, how much she weighed at the time, what prescription drug was forcibly shoved down her throat by Dr. Meanie, it was wrong. Him doing whatever he did to her in that concert in 1980 was wrong. It's all wrong and why this ancient history even gets rehashed as any justification for what happened in 2018 to this band is beyond me.

Of course it's all wrong. Geez, I've already stated that a bajillion times! My point is about false equivalence.

[HejiraNYC]

You get help, Ed. Three different people have messaged me today, concerning YOU. They say you're a nice person in real life, and don't know why you're such an ASS on the Ledge. Seriously. Get some help, Ed.

I don't know 3 people who remain on the Ledge so quit yer lying. Also, um, isn't calling me an "ASS" technically in violation of the code of conduct here? Moderator, please look into this.

And, seriously, for YOU to call me that? Seriously??!!

[HejiraNYC]

So Stevie thwacking Christine with a chair is not a problem? It is not abuse or violence? What an utter lack of morals or sense :mad:

Admin! What has happened to my request to be delisted? It shames me to be in the same forum with such amoral people who can actually defend Stevie attacking Chris with a chair.

Ugh, another failure at reading comprehension. I never defended anyone. If it happened (which I suspect a mountain is being made of a molehill), of course it's wrong. But it doesn't rise to the level of man-on-woman violence. To make those equivalent is the very definition of amoral. So, yes, you should be ashamed.

[saniette]

Ugh, another failure at reading comprehension. I never defended anyone. If it happened (which I suspect a mountain is being made of a molehill), of course it's wrong. But it doesn't rise to the level of man-on-woman violence. To make those equivalent is the very definition of amoral. So, yes, you should be ashamed.

No, it's actually amoral to assert a special difference between male and female violence. They are equals from a moral/legal standpoint, and thus there is no false equivalency. Female violence is not somehow less bad than male violence, just because of biological differences. Which by the way is an interesting argument to make in this day and age.

And I think mountain out of molehill would also describe Lindsey's onstage incident brought up ad nauseam around here.

[HomerMcvie]

No, it's actually amoral to assert a special difference between male and female violence. They are equals from a moral/legal standpoint, and thus there is no false equivalency. Female violence is not somehow less bad than male violence, just because of biological differences. Which by the way is an interesting argument to make in this day and age.

And I think mountain out of molehill would also describe Lindsey's onstage incident brought up ad nauseam around here.

Ed's on his high horse. Don't waste your time...

[NotonRodeo]

Ugh, another failure at reading comprehension. I never defended anyone. If it happened (which I suspect a mountain is being made of a molehill), of course it's wrong. But it doesn't rise to the level of man-on-woman violence. To make those equivalent is the very definition of amoral. So, yes, you should be ashamed.

So you are accusing me of being unable to read? Personal insult!

And how is a man attacking a woman different from a woman doing so? How? Does the chair consider whether it is being wielded by a male or a female before being thrown? So it's all right for Chris to be thwacked with a chair as long as it's Stevie and not John doing it, that is not abuse? And you have the temerity to say I should be ashamed? Who the F do you think you are!

Disgraceful. You just can't accept your Goat Queen is an ogress.

[sodascouts]

Admin! What has happened to my request to be delisted? It shames me to be in the same forum with such amoral people who can actually defend Stevie attacking Chris with a chair.

If you don't want your name to be visible on the forum, this isn't the way to go about it.

[NotonRodeo]

If you don't want your name to be visible on the forum, this isn't the way to go about it.

Don't worry, I have been constantly requesting the admins to remove me for the past several days. You won't have to deal with me any longer. I can of course just leave and stop posting, but I want my profile formally expunged.

[Frankenstein]

the stiletto cuts quick, like a whip through the air

I might be the only one, but I've always assumed this lyric from Firelies was a reference to her hurling a high-heel shoe at Lindsey during a fight.

I always found that lyric odd in its use of the word “stiletto”. No way to say for sure that happened but I could see it. I remember Stevie talking about, if any of her fans ever tried to get on stage and hurt her, “these 6 inch heel boots would not feel good in their face”

[sodascouts]

A stiletto is also a type of knife. It still is problematic as a simile (whips and knives don't really "cut through the air quickly" in a similar manner), but it's probably what she was going for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiletto

[SteveMacD]

I’m surprised these people don’t have restraining orders against each other.

[dreamsunwind]

I didn't say that, so stop it. Look, if you think man-on-man or woman-on-woman violence is equivalent to man-on-woman violence, then you're truly sick. Get help. :wavey:

It's not even about man on woman violence, it's just that it's domestic violence. Violence from one romantic partner to another, regardless of their gender, is a very specific situation unlike other forms of violence due to the emotional/psychological situation that entails.

So I agree, Stevie throwing a chair at Chris or jumping Lindsey during Tango were bad things she shouldn't have done but you really can't put it in the same breathe as Lindsey regularly abusing his girlfriend.

[bombaysaffires]

A stiletto is also a type of knife. It still is problematic as a simile (whips and knives don't really "cut through the air quickly" in a similar manner), but it's probably what she was going for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiletto

indeed, the shoe heel was named for the knife-- high heeled shoes had wider, thicker heels and then tall very narrow heels came into style and were named for their resemblance the the knife.

Stilettos were common means of killing someone quickly and furtively and because of this are common in Shakespeare and other dramatic plays. People could hide them in the robes they wore in those times or in their garters (which men wore to hold up their silk socks or 'stockings'). You could quickly whip out the stiletto, stab your victim, put the knife back in your clothing and move on before anyone could see anything happening. So I always thought in Fireflies, which is of course all about the tribulations in the band, when she says "the stiletto cuts quick" it's a reference to all the hurt the five fireflies inflict on each other.

[button-lip]

This type of violence is never okay. Doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman. Case closed.

Indeed, but when it comes the her Highness, everything is aceptable. :rolleyes:
And why is that? Because a man is stronger than a woman? Height and strenght are irrelevant when you're on drugs. :shrug:

[Macfan4life]

Stevie Nicks is the Joan Crawford of rock n roll.

[michelej1]

I think this is the tweet that's being discussed, but it looks like it's from an older account Billy used to use:

"OKay, there was one time that Stevie a Chris were fighting (don't ask me why!) and Stvie picked up a chair and lobbed it at Chris!"

Here's the link:

https://twitter.com/RockaBilly4ever/status/34077510807330816

Interestingly a few tweets above that he says Stevie can hold a grudge. :lol:

I think Ken proved that when he pointed out how Stevie hated his dog, til the bitter end.

[michelej1]

Ugh, another failure at reading comprehension. I never defended anyone. If it happened (which I suspect a mountain is being made of a molehill), of course it's wrong. But it doesn't rise to the level of man-on-woman violence. To make those equivalent is the very definition of amoral. So, yes, you should be ashamed.

The level of violence depends on .... the violence, not the gender. Of course, male on female violence is the biggest problem because it is the most prevalent. Yes, a man can inflict more severe injury than a woman, because he’s stronger. The violence that CAH described is very severe and is does not compare to Stevie throwing a chair at Christine which chair never made contact with Christine, but if Stevie hit Christine over the head with a club or knifed Lindsey, then that’s not a lesser problem than Lindsey’s alleged violence, whether Stevie is a woman, man or other.

Bonnie was not less problematic than Clyde. BUT if your point is Stevie throwing a chair at Christine and missing is not as bad as Lindsey pulling CAH’s hair out by the roots, I agree with you.

And you know more than 3 people here, Ed.

[michelej1]

Don't worry, I have been constantly requesting the admins to remove me for the past several days. You won't have to deal with me any longer. I can of course just leave and stop posting, but I want my profile formally expunged.

That’s not happening. Michele

[jwd]

The level of violence depends on .... the violence, not the gender. Of course, male on female violence is the biggest problem because it is the most prevalent. Yes, a man can inflict more severe injury than a woman, because he’s stronger. The violence that CAH described is very severe and is does not compare to Stevie throwing a chair at Christine which chair never made contact with Christine, but if Stevie hit Christine over the head with a club or knifed Lindsey, then that’s not a lesser problem than Lindsey’s alleged violence, whether Stevie is a woman, man or other.

Bonnie was not less problematic than Clyde. BUT if your point is Stevie throwing a chair at Christine and missing is not as bad as Lindsey pulling CAH’s hair out by the roots, I agree with you.

And you know more than 3 people here, Ed.

Unless of course she has a gun, or a knife. Have you ever seen the movies Fatal Attraction or Play Misty For Me?! For Realz!

[michelej1]

Unless of course she has a gun, or a knife. Have you ever seen the movies Fatal Attraction or Play Misty For Me?! For Realz!

But let’s be honest, female violence is much more rare. That’s why it makes such a bigger splash when it happens Lorena Bobbitt, anyone?

I don’t like false equivalencies. I was just ranting about the NYT article on the bomb threats today, for that reason.

But I don’t think Lindsey physically abused or out violenced anyone in that honor forsaken band. What he did to girlfriends aside from Stevie, I can’t say.

[ThePenguin]

I believe someone is posting under another’s ID. Do not do that.

[jwd]

But let’s be honest, female violence is much more rare. That’s why it makes such a bigger splash when it happens Lorena Bobbitt, anyone?

I don’t like false equivalencies. I was just ranting about the NYT article on the bomb threats today, for that reason.

But I don’t think Lindsey physically abused or out violenced anyone in that honor forsaken band. What he did to girlfriends aside from Stevie, I can’t say.

I agree. Just had to throw that out there because female on male violence does happen. Ouch, you brought Lorena up!

[DownOnRodeo]

I remember Stevie talking about, if any of her fans ever tried to get on stage and hurt her, “these 6 inch heel boots would not feel good in their face”

:eek: Or maybe, even worse, she has stilettos in her stilettos.

In Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events, Count Olaf's girlfriend, Esmé Squalor, wears stiletto-heeled shoes with the heels replaced by stiletto blades. Esmé poses as a doctor at Heimlich Hospital and chases the Baudelaires around the library of records. Since her stiletto heels are actually made with daggers as heels, her shoes keep sticking to the floor and she is unable to properly run after the three orphans.

:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I agree. Just had to throw that out there because female on male violence does happen. Ouch, you brought Lorena up!

That makes Mr. Johnson go into his hiding mode!

[SteveMacD]

Ouch, you brought Lorena up!

I heard she has to shop at Cabella’s because she got banned from Dick’s.

[NotonRodeo]

That’s not happening. Michele

Then I'll just delete my posts. Same diff.

[jwd]

I heard she has to shop at Cabella’s because she got banned from Dick’s.


:laugh: Whatever became of Lorena? Man's worst nightmare.

[bombaysaffires]

I think Ken proved that when he pointed out how Stevie hated his dog, til the bitter end.

didn't he report that she was happy when the dog finally died? Or am I misremembering that ??:shrug:

[ThePenguin]

Then I'll just delete my posts. Same diff.

No, you will not be allowed to abuse the delete option. If you do not want to be associated with the forum any longer, simply go away and stop posting.

[sodascouts]

Stilettos were common means of killing someone quickly and furtively and because of this are common in Shakespeare and other dramatic plays. People could hide them in the robes they wore in those times or in their garters (which men wore to hold up their silk socks or 'stockings'). You could quickly whip out the stiletto, stab your victim, put the knife back in your clothing and move on before anyone could see anything happening.

"Some carry a stiletto in their garter along with everything else that they carry" - Stevie Nicks, "Alice"

Stevie found them inspiring, obviously!

And my contribution to the overall topic....

It was very bad of Stevie and Lindsey to do those things! I heartily disapprove! Shame on them! etc

[gldstwmn]

The thought of 5'1 Stevie trying to throw a chair at 5'8 Christine doesn't inspire fear in me. It makes me :laugh:.

[gldstwmn]

Klonopin is a hell of a drug.
:lol:

Usually it just makes you fall asleep.:laugh:

[TheWildHeart67]

It was probably a little plastic chair or something.

[gldstwmn]

Wow. Now where are all those people who keep on complaining about Lindsey's behaviour? Why aren't they defending Christine McVie? Why aren't the chiffon contingent yelling "abusive", "misogynist" ad nauseam.
In order to be a misogynist one has to first be a man.

[gldstwmn]

the stiletto cuts quick, like a whip through the air

I might be the only one, but I've always assumed this lyric from Firelies was a reference to her hurling a high-heel shoe at Lindsey during a fight.

A stiletto is also a very sharp knife.

[gldstwmn]

Don't worry, I have been constantly requesting the admins to remove me for the past several days. You won't have to deal with me any longer. I can of course just leave and stop posting, but I want my profile formally expunged.

I'm pretty sure that's not an option.

[gldstwmn]

I believe someone is posting under another’s ID. Do not do that.

How is that even possible?:confused:

[gldstwmn]

I heard she has to shop at Cabella’s because she got banned from Dick’s.

:laugh::laugh:

[button-lip]

didn't he report that she was happy when the dog finally died? Or am I misremembering that ??:shrug:

The dog was probably mean to her :laugh:

Just doing what everyone’s doing here to justify her actions. Plastic chair, 5’1 Stevie, blah, blah, blah.

[Frankenstein]

The thought of 5'1 Stevie trying to throw a chair at 5'8 Christine doesn't inspire fear in me. It makes me :laugh:.

I mean... being hit by a chair would hurt, no matter who threw it. Good thing she missed :shrug:

[secondhandchain]

The thought of 5'1 Stevie trying to throw a chair at 5'8 Christine doesn't inspire fear in me. It makes me :laugh:.


REALLY?????? Can she do ANYTHING that you won't defend? JESUS F CHRIST! Now I know why certain people get into power. People will let them get away with anything if they are blinded by their fanaticism. JUST WOW

[NurseDJackson]

REALLY?????? Can she do ANYTHING that you won't defend? JESUS F CHRIST! Now I know why certain people get into power. People will let them get away with anything if they are blinded by their fanaticism. JUST WOW

Yeah, I gotta second this... One of the more ridiculous comments over the last few weeks of shocking ridiculousness (from a lot of people).

MORE IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH: NO. KLONOPIN DOES A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN JUST MAKE A PERSON TIRED, especially with regular use. The withdrawals come very fast and we're talking about a central nervous system depressant—lots of side effects from it, perhaps even when correctly spaced/dosed. At the very least it's important to note this because while SN rightly talks negatively about Klonopin, much of the medical community does not; it's still considered one of the best benzos. And it isn't. Not at all. Aside from the "Klonopin shuffle" (wobbly, easily fall over) being an occasional-to-regular occurence, there's the EATING, the people whom Klonopin relaxes to the point of manic or near-manic behaviors (shopping, sex, etc)... As bad for a person's behavior as a decade of being a cokehead—just different.

So, no, between the "laugh at the chair" and the claim that Klonopin only one makes one sleepy... COME ON NOW. Claims like this certainly aren't helping any case in defense of SN. And I write this a person who favors her in the various conversations...

[vivfox]

I don't care how short she is, how much she weighed at the time, what prescription drug was forcibly shoved down her throat by Dr. Meanie, it was wrong.


:laugh::laugh::laugh: I love it when you Ledgie's can make me laugh out loud!

[Storms123]

The thought of 5'1 Stevie trying to throw a chair at 5'8 Christine doesn't inspire fear in me. It makes me :laugh:.

No more laughable than 5'1 Stevie launching herself at and trying to kill (her words) 5'10 Lindsey. Let's just make sure we are setting the table appropriately here. And before anyone starts yelling "misogny" at me....I am a woman.

[HejiraNYC]

Ed's on his high horse. Don't waste your time...

Well, apparently you can call someone an ass on here with impunity. So to that I say, you're such an ASS on the Ledge.

[HejiraNYC]

The level of violence depends on .... the violence, not the gender. Of course, male on female violence is the biggest problem because it is the most prevalent. Yes, a man can inflict more severe injury than a woman, because he’s stronger. The violence that CAH described is very severe and is does not compare to Stevie throwing a chair at Christine which chair never made contact with Christine, but if Stevie hit Christine over the head with a club or knifed Lindsey, then that’s not a lesser problem than Lindsey’s alleged violence, whether Stevie is a woman, man or other.

Bonnie was not less problematic than Clyde. BUT if your point is Stevie throwing a chair at Christine and missing is not as bad as Lindsey pulling CAH’s hair out by the roots, I agree with you.

And you know more than 3 people here, Ed.

Yes, I agree that it depends on the level of violence, e.g., if the outcome involves someone dying or becoming permanently incapacitated. But why is it that we as a society condone same-sex violence, e.g., boxing, wrestling, ultimate fighting, but NFL players are getting fired or fined due to physically assaulting their wives/girlfriends? Or the fact that Mel Gibson has barely worked for the past 10 years? It's because a decent society understands the inherent imbalance of physical power between a man and a woman, and that men must heed a code of conduct that involves not physically attacking women. It has nothing to do with feminism or being woke. Don't. hit. women. Ever. It's about abuse of power. It's about bullies who are enabled by the existence of the imbalance of power. To say simply that all violence is equally bad is akin to saying "all lives matter;" it just whitewashes the particularly the unique evil of men assaulting women.

[HomerMcvie]

Well, apparently you can call someone an ass on here with impunity. So to that I say, you're such an ASS on the Ledge.

So you're saying that I'M an ASS?

That's a GIVEN, Ed. But thanks for playing. :lol:

But I'm not on a high horse, all holier than thou, like some people. That's the difference. I hope you see that, someday.:xoxo:

[HejiraNYC]

So you're saying that I'M an ASS?

That's a GIVEN, Ed. But thanks for playing. :lol:

But I'm not on a high horse, all holier than thou, like some people. That's the difference. I hope you see that, someday.:xoxo:

Okay, girl, whatever. I'm sure you enjoy riding something... horse-like. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Okay, girl, whatever. I'm sure you enjoy riding something... horse-like. :lol:

Sexual innuendo. Now that's classy. I'd hoped you were above that. But still guessed you were into that. Good luck. Walking.

[michelej1]

Well, apparently you can call someone an ass on here with impunity. So to that I say, you're such an ASS on the Ledge.

Stop the name-calling. You should not have said he was sicknand needed help in the first place.

Why don’t You and David stop responding to each other altogether.

[gldstwmn]

Stop the name-calling. You should not have said he was sicknand needed help in the first place.

Why don’t You and David stop responding to each other altogether.

So let me get this straight. One person wants to punch Karen in the face but we let that slide but when someone calls him an ass that's a problem? :confused:

[gldstwmn]

No more laughable than 5'1 Stevie launching herself at and trying to kill (her words) 5'10 Lindsey. Let's just make sure we are setting the table appropriately here. And before anyone starts yelling "misogny" at me....I am a woman.

One person allegedly threw a chair or some sh!t and another has a history of physical violence and choking people both men and women. There is no apples to apples comparison here.

[gldstwmn]

So, no, between the "laugh at the chair" and the claim that Klonopin only one makes one sleepy... COME ON NOW. Claims like this certainly aren't helping any case in defense of SN. And I write this a person who favors her in the various conversations...

I made a little joke about benzos making you sleepy which they actually did in my experience and now I've breached some sort of moral high ground? Does anyone remember laughter? Out of all the pharmaceuticals I've ingested in my lifetime those are the ones I'm most happy to be free of. I don't need a lecture or a PSA about drugs/bad. I will say there were times when they helped me feel like I wasn't going to die when I was suddenly and inexplicably filled with panic.
Please feel free to pick whatever side you want to be on. I'm not campaining for anyone. I'm expressing a viewpoint that may or may not be relevant to you. This place has turned into a f*cking drag man. Yeesh.

[michelej1]

Yes, I agree that it depends on the level of violence, e.g., if the outcome involves someone dying or becoming permanently incapacitated. But why is it that we as a society condone same-sex violence, e.g., boxing, wrestling, ultimate fighting, but NFL players are getting fired or fined due to physically assaulting their wives/girlfriends? Or the fact that Mel Gibson has barely worked for the past 10 years? It's because a decent society understands the inherent imbalance of physical power between a man and a woman, and that men must heed a code of conduct that involves not physically attacking women. It has nothing to do with feminism or being woke. Don't. hit. women. Ever. It's about abuse of power. It's about bullies who are enabled by the existence of the imbalance of power. To say simply that all violence is equally bad is akin to saying "all lives matter;" it just whitewashes the particularly the unique evil of men assaulting women.


What society condones is not based on gender so much as whether the opponents are evenly matched. That is why welterweights do not fight heavyweights. That is why when someone is mentally incapacited or old, society thinks they deserve greater protection. If it’s a young female caregiver hurting an elderly male, everyone thinks it is horrific, because he’s helpless against her. Children and animals are helpless compared to adult humans. They deserve greater protection.

In most cases (but not all) men are stronger than women and must not abuse their greater strength.

[NurseDJackson]

I made a little joke about benzos making you sleepy which they actually did in my experience and now I've breached some sort of moral high ground? Does anyone remember laughter? Out of all the pharmaceuticals I've ingested in my lifetime those are the ones I'm most happy to be free of. I don't need a lecture or a PSA about drugs/bad. I will say there were times when they helped me feel like I wasn't going to die when I was suddenly and inexplicably filled with panic.
Please feel free to pick whatever side you want to be on. I'm not campaining for anyone. I'm expressing a viewpoint that may or may not be relevant to you. This place has turned into a f*cking drag man. Yeesh.

Nobody's saying you or anyone needs a lecture/PSA about drugs. One supposes it was a joke, sure, but it's ridiculous to imagine that a person taking Klonopin multiple times a day for years would be merely lethargic. That is, it's not to say that it isn't something to be joked about (you're not the only one who can have some fun laughing/crying about past drug use) it's to say it wasn't a funny or good joke and it doesn't help the "Stevie side" of things. In fact, the last few comments have me wondering if you're actually one of those pro-LB psychos who fantasize that Karen Johnston has been weaponized by SN and find any way they can to insult the music/hair/clothes/voice/career of SN—even going so far as to try and convince people that the shows aren't selling.

What I mean, really? I've been reading the last few weeks of threads and certainly found some solace in your posts, often when you do make a joke or counter some seriously delusional/misogynist (yes, misogynist) comments with something equally galling/funny/challening, but the comments in this thread push you over into TROLL territory. How could either of the comments you made serve to slow or challenge or negate all the awful stuff people have been writing about Stevie Nicks? THEY DON'T. THEY HELP PROVE PEOPLE'S ASSERTIONS, which is a shame...

The only "side" I'm on is the side of music I love and no amount of stupid, vengeful, litigious oldsters, LIZ ROSENBERG, angry/dissapointed fans, or even the possibility that all of these people are more horrible than any of us imagined is going to change that.

and don't even for one GD second try to imply that *I* have anything to do with your assertion that the Ledge has turned into a "....drag, man"....I get it, it's a joke, it's not *about* me, but, really, to tack that one to the end of your comment, like somehow, after what I've been reading here, one little post about how serious a drug Klonopin is (you know, in case any members have been so casually handed it, as Nicks claims she was) and you're LAMENTING THE STATE OF THE MESSAGE BOARD??!?!

I've been on here a decade and the last time I commented before these few weeks was 4 years ago when Warners f'ed up my 24K pre-order. I don't have a THING TO DO with anyone's opinion on how this message board has allegedly devolved...

[jbrownsjr]

One time, $tevie got mad playing pool. And, $he picked up the pool table and threw it at Mick.

[HomerMcvie]

One time, $tevie got mad playing pool. And, $he picked up the pool table and threw it at Mick.

No doubt using her witchy black magic!

How Mickogynistic of her!!!

[gldstwmn]

No doubt using her witchy black magic!

How Mickogynistic of her!!!

:lol::lol::lol::]

[gldstwmn]

Nobody's saying you or anyone needs a lecture/PSA about drugs. One supposes it was a joke, sure, but it's ridiculous to imagine that a person taking Klonopin multiple times a day for years would be merely lethargic. That is, it's not to say that it isn't something to be joked about (you're not the only one who can have some fun laughing/crying about past drug use) it's to say it wasn't a funny or good joke and it doesn't help the "Stevie side" of things. In fact, the last few comments have me wondering if you're actually one of those pro-LB psychos who fantasize that Karen Johnston has been weaponized by SN and find any way they can to insult the music/hair/clothes/voice/career of SN—even going so far as to try and convince people that the shows aren't selling.

What I mean, really? I've been reading the last few weeks of threads and certainly found some solace in your posts, often when you do make a joke or counter some seriously delusional/misogynist (yes, misogynist) comments with something equally galling/funny/challening, but the comments in this thread push you over into TROLL territory. How could either of the comments you made serve to slow or challenge or negate all the awful stuff people have been writing about Stevie Nicks? THEY DON'T. THEY HELP PROVE PEOPLE'S ASSERTIONS, which is a shame...

The only "side" I'm on is the side of music I love and no amount of stupid, vengeful, litigious oldsters, LIZ ROSENBERG, angry/dissapointed fans, or even the possibility that all of these people are more horrible than any of us imagined is going to change that.

and don't even for one GD second try to imply that *I* have anything to do with your assertion that the Ledge has turned into a "....drag, man"....I get it, it's a joke, it's not *about* me, but, really, to tack that one to the end of your comment, like somehow, after what I've been reading here, one little post about how serious a drug Klonopin is (you know, in case any members have been so casually handed it, as Nicks claims she was) and you're LAMENTING THE STATE OF THE MESSAGE BOARD??!?!

I've been on here a decade and the last time I commented before these few weeks was 4 years ago when Warners f'ed up my 24K pre-order. I don't have a THING TO DO with anyone's opinion on how this message board has allegedly devolved...

Oh gawd... I can't with you today. Maybe I will form a more cogent response and come back and edit later. :sorry: Let's listen to music and dream instead:
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[gldstwmn]

One time, $tevie got mad playing pool. And, $he picked up the pool table and threw it at Mick.

She's like the Incredible Hulk. :lol::lol::lol: "Don't turn your back on me baby..."

[DownOnRodeo]

If anyone still needs proof that Stevie once threw a chair at poor Christine, just look at the, er, seating arrangements for the current lineup's closer All Over Again. There's only one chair, and with Stevie in close range, Chris is making damn sure to stay seated in it. :laugh:

Meanwhile, if Christine bows out abruptly from this tour or the next one, I envisage us ending up with Stevie on stage talking to an empty chair for half the night a'la Clint Eastwood.

[Macfan4life]

No doubt using her witchy black magic!

How Mickogynistic of her!!!
She is a Black Magic Woman these days :eek:

[HomerMcvie]

She is a Black Magic Woman these days :eek:

$he's more than that.:p

[Tango]

Yeah, I think that whole Billy tweet regarding Stevie (on the left) tossing a chair seems pretty far-fetched. I'm not sure that even Mick (on the right) would be tossing chairs about. But it's pretty funny to think about! :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Video of the crime:
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[gldstwmn]

HomerMcVie just can't get her off his back:
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[gldstwmn]

This is why secondhandchain really hates her:
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[gldstwmn]

Lastly everybody knows what she did to poor Lindsey Buckingham:
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[Tango]

^ :laugh: Throwing a drink- yeah. A chair? I don't think so.

[bwboy]

gldstwmn you're too much! :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

HomerMcVie just can't get her off his back:
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Damned goat has been on my back for 41 years, and I'm sick of it!

I need a goatectomy. So did Fleetwood Mac.

[gldstwmn]

gldstwmn you're too much! :lol:

We need some levity. :laugh:

[jwd]

If anyone still needs proof that Stevie once threw a chair at poor Christine, just look at the, er, seating arrangements for the current lineup's closer All Over Again. There's only one chair, and with Stevie in close range, Chris is making damn sure to stay seated in it. :laugh:

Meanwhile, if Christine bows out abruptly from this tour or the next one, I envisage us ending up with Stevie on stage talking to an empty chair for half the night a'la Clint Eastwood.


Ummmm, Stevie is no Clint Eastwood. Nor Bob Dylan. :D

[jbrownsjr]

We need some levity. :laugh:

i love it!! And you can't complain anymore... (as if?) lol

[secondhandchain]

This is why secondhandchain really hates her:
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Ha ha. I really only hate her because I feel she has changed for the worse the last few years. She really has. She is NOT the same Stevie I adored since 1977. That woman is gone.