Go Your Own Way: Fleetwood Mac 'looks forward' to court date

[ali101]

https://news.sky.com/story/go-your-own-way-fleetwood-mac-looks-forward-to-court-date-as-bandmate-lindsey-buckingham-sues-11526474

Fleetwood Mac has said it "looks forward" to its day in court after being sued by a disgruntled band member.

Guitarist and songwriter Lindsey Buckingham claims he was told five days after the group appeared at Radio City Music Hall in January that the band would tour without him.


The tour began earlier this month and Buckingham was replaced by Mike Campbell and Neil Finn.

Buckingham says he is seeking his share of tour income - at least $12m (£9.1m) - because he still wants to perform and is able to.

Band spokesperson Kristen Foster said in a statement: "Fleetwood Mac looks forward to their day in court".

[Jondalar]

https://news.sky.com/story/go-your-own-way-fleetwood-mac-looks-forward-to-court-date-as-bandmate-lindsey-buckingham-sues-11526474

Fleetwood Mac has said it "looks forward" to its day in court after being sued by a disgruntled band member.

Guitarist and songwriter Lindsey Buckingham claims he was told five days after the group appeared at Radio City Music Hall in January that the band would tour without him.


The tour began earlier this month and Buckingham was replaced by Mike Campbell and Neil Finn.

Buckingham says he is seeking his share of tour income - at least $12m (£9.1m) - because he still wants to perform and is able to.

Band spokesperson Kristen Foster said in a statement: "Fleetwood Mac looks forward to their day in court".

It doesn’t matter. The band is forever ruined.

[jbrownsjr]

Damn your love and damn your lies!!

What a cruel twist to their legacy.

[HomerMcvie]

It doesn’t matter. The band is forever ruined.

Yep. Ruined. Old Goat Breath tantrumed them to death.

[ali101]

I agree. It’s a sad end for the Rumours five as the dynamite finally detonated and what remains is truly a “heartless challenge “. A hugely sorry epitaph to a greatly talented band.

[sue]

The Fleetwood Mac version that most of us love, finally implodes...

What an ending for the Rumours five.
How sad, very very sad.
Bloody idiots each one of them.

[jbrownsjr]

The Fleetwood Mac version that most of us love, finally implodes...

What an ending for the Rumours five.
How sad, very very sad.
Bloody idiots each one of them.

Agreed. The utter lack of humanity is staggering.

[sasja]

I was going to type all sorts of things, but no energy to waste my words on this.
FM down the crapper, really.
Time seemingly can just rot anything it touches.
Still very fervently hope Lindsey will get his justice though!
And the others, just what they deserve.
Where's the vomit emoji?

[FuzzyPlum]

I wouldn't normally wish ill on anyone. However, the dark side of me would be happy to see Mick going broke for the fourth time (or whatever it is).
That would be very 'circular'

[jbrownsjr]

I wouldn't normally wish ill on anyone. However, the dark side of me would be happy to see Mick going broke for the fourth time (or whatever it is).
That would be very 'circular'

AND profound

[lovethemac1]

AND profound

And organic, but we don’t want to use that word because it’s an ugly, ugly word.

The CBC radio news just carried the FM lawsuit “update to the breakup.” Wow, that’s big news, even in Canada. Still makes me angry, frustrated with them, and so very very sad. 😢 My band has gone poof and I’m pissed 🔥

[jbrownsjr]

And organic, but we don’t want to use that word because it’s an ugly, ugly word.

The CBC radio news just carried the FM lawsuit “update to the breakup.” Wow, that’s big news, even in Canada. Still makes me angry, frustrated with them, and so very very sad. �� My band has gone poof and I’m pissed ��

Ugly, nasty, and greedy... Just like Mick, and the goat.

[Buster]

Just when I couldn’t be more disgusted with all of this, something worse happens. “Looks forward to” is a horrible way to respond. This band’s PR strategy is a disaster. Say something like, we are sad that this has reached this point, Lindsey is a valued component of our legacy, we hope to reach an amicable resolution, blah, blah.

Better yet - work something out behind the scenes and end this very public mess.

[NotonRodeo]

I am actually surprised this latest band kerfuffle seems more publicized now than it was in 1987. Back then it was a just a medium-length article in Rolling Stone announcing his departure, and I think a short interview with the band in one of the entertainment shows. Now it is everywhere.

[NotonRodeo]

Just when I couldn’t be more disgusted with all of this, something worse happens. “Looks forward to” is a horrible way to respond. This band’s PR strategy is a disaster. Say something like, we are sad that this has reached this point, Lindsey is a valued component of our legacy, we hope to reach an amicable resolution, blah, blah.

Better yet - work something out behind the scenes and end this very public mess.

But that would imply the band actually cared about its fans, what we want and what we think about them. It's clear by this time they don't give a hoot about us, except when we give them $$$.

[DownOnRodeo]

I am actually surprised this latest band kerfuffle seems more publicized now than it was in 1987.

I'n not!

In 1987, the man voluntarily stepped down from the tour at the last minute.
In 2018, they got rid of him, didn't contact him, and now he's suing them. It's a completely different level of kerfuffle!

[BombaySapphire3]

I am actually surprised this latest band kerfuffle seems more publicized now than it was in 1987. Back then it was a just a medium-length article in Rolling Stone announcing his departure, and I think a short interview with the band in one of the entertainment shows. Now it is everywhere.

Well then he left on his own accord .This time he was fired for rubbing an egomaniac the wrong way . It is too bad that he can't go back in time and accept the offer to join Fleetwood Mac and let Stevie continue her job as a waitress at Clementines.

[Lola]

I am actually surprised this latest band kerfuffle seems more publicized now than it was in 1987. Back then it was a just a medium-length article in Rolling Stone announcing his departure, and I think a short interview with the band in one of the entertainment shows. Now it is everywhere.

I've noticed this too. Out to dinner with my sister and her boyfriend last night and he starts talking about it! My neighbors across the street just came home from 2 weeks in Colorado. We've been getting their newspapers and keeping an eye on their house. They text me "We'll be home on Sunday. What do you think about Fleetwood Mac?" They know I'm a fan but I haven't communicated with them about anything other than their house. Over the weekend I did a google search to see what articles are out there---lots of news/current event sites covering it, not just music sites.

I've been pissed, frustrated, disgusted, outraged, disappointed like so many fans here but the predominant emotion is sadness. Always an underlying feeling of sadness.

[sasja]

Well then he left on his own accord .This time he was fired for rubbing an egomaniac the wrong way . It is too bad that he can't go back in time and accept the offer to join Fleetwood Mac and let Stevie continue her job as a waitress at Clementines.

This. :thumbsup:
Awesome thought :xoxo:

[sue]

I am actually surprised this latest band kerfuffle seems more publicized now than it was in 1987. Back then it was a just a medium-length article in Rolling Stone announcing his departure, and I think a short interview with the band in one of the entertainment shows. Now it is everywhere.

I think the circumstances are very different, in 1987 he left..
(As did Christine, as did Stevie)..
In 2018 he has been shoved out of the back door, what were they thinking..
Folk wouldn’t mind that much ?
I think Mick must be broke again to have gone along with Stevie on this one...
Where are their morals for goodness sake.?

[NotonRodeo]

I think the circumstances are very different, in 1987 he left..
(As did Christine, as did Stevie)..
In 2018 he has been shoved out of the back door, what were they thinking..
Folk wouldn’t mind that much ?
I think Mick must be broke again to have gone along with Stevie on this one...
Where are their morals for goodness sake.?

Unfortunately they have no morals. They really don't care about what we think about them as long as the money rolls in. They're probably snickering at us being upset at the break up of the band.

That's why I've decided to wash my hands off them. I still think that if Burnette didn't whinge on Twitter last April they would have sold tickets and NOT told us about Campbell and Finn until long after the presales had begun. That's Fakewood Mac for you. They don't care about us, so neither will I about them.

[NotonRodeo]

I'n not!

In 1987, the man voluntarily stepped down from the tour at the last minute.
In 2018, they got rid of him, didn't contact him, and now he's suing them. It's a completely different level of kerfuffle!

True, a lawsuit does generate additional kerfuffle :D

[aleuzzi]

I'n not!

In 1987, the man voluntarily stepped down from the tour at the last minute.
In 2018, they got rid of him, didn't contact him, and now he's suing them. It's a completely different level of kerfuffle!

Yes, and additionally, Lindsey's departure was not much of a surprise by then. His press interviews for TANGO showed him to be essentially waving goodbye to the band. And the five-year gap between MIRAGE and TANGO left most people feeling Fleetwood Mac as they knew it was over. As popular as TANGO was, it felt and sounded like an impressive homage to the artistic heights of the past. No amount of synthesized gloss could disguise the inherently nostalgic feel of the project.

SAY YOU WILL looked forward--and in hearing it one would be forgiven for thinking other FM studio albums were forthcoming. But when LB bailed in 87, it all made sense. I, for one, was hardly surprised, though saddened by his absence and the bloated, washed-out sound of BEHIND THE MASK.

[Jondalar]

Unfortunately they have no morals. They really don't care about what we think about them as long as the money rolls in. They're probably snickering at us being upset at the break up of the band.

That's why I've decided to wash my hands off them. I still think that if Burnette didn't whinge on Twitter last April they would have sold tickets and NOT told us about Campbell and Finn until long after the presales had begun. That's Fakewood Mac for you. They don't care about us, so neither will I about them.

They are known for their excess and debauchery. No surprise.

[Storms123]

I'n not!

In 1987, the man voluntarily stepped down from the tour at the last minute.
In 2018, they got rid of him, didn't contact him, and now he's suing them. It's a completely different level of kerfuffle!


Social media as well keep it front and center on an almost daily basis. Back in ‘87, it was an article in Rolling Stone, and that’s probably it. Also, he was essentially railroaded by the band this time, so far more nasty from the outset makes for more press. Lastly, when you have other artists of a similar age essentially going out for their own “Farewell Tours”, and you’ve got this soap opera unraveling.......well drama, drama, drama

[HomerMcvie]

Well then he left on his own accord .This time he was fired for rubbing an egomaniac the wrong way . It is too bad that he can't go back in time and accept the offer to join Fleetwood Mac and let Stevie continue her job as a waitress at Clementines.

OMG, if only that were possible.

Think about it......

What would have happened to her? Still a waitress? She probably would have had kids if not for FM.

WHAT would $he be doing right now at this moment? Watching Judge Judy?

[secondhandchain]

OMG, if only that were possible.

Think about it......

What would have happened to her? Still a waitress? She probably would have had kids if not for FM.

WHAT would $he be doing right now at this moment? Watching Judge Judy?

With her penchant for illegal substances, my guess is she would have been a very pretty crack wh$re!

[Street_Dreamer]

I still think that if Burnette didn't whinge on Twitter last April they would have sold tickets and NOT told us about Campbell and Finn until long after the presales had begun. That's Fakewood Mac for you. They don't care about us, so neither will I about them.

Thanks Billy!

[FuzzyPlum]

OMG, if only that were possible.

Think about it......

What would have happened to her? Still a waitress? She probably would have had kids if not for FM.

WHAT would $he be doing right now at this moment? Watching Judge Judy?


Honestly?... I'm imagining a Roseanne-type of character.

[jbrownsjr]

Honestly?... I'm imagining a Roseanne-type of character.

Someone I know that doesn't care about FMac said that same thing!

They said, "$tevie is the Rosanne of rock and roll"

Funny that people that don't really care for the music or don't have a fetish sort of think of her that way. :laugh:

[MichaelaM]

OMG, if only that were possible.

Think about it......

What would have happened to her? Still a waitress? She probably would have had kids if not for FM.

WHAT would $he be doing right now at this moment? Watching Judge Judy?

Haha! out of her own mouth she said if she was not a rock and roll star she would be a teacher, a radio disc jockey, a hotel owner, and whatever the flavor of the moment is!!

[Macfan4life]

Everyone write this down
Remember my name
Flame me forever
Mark date and time

This case will settle for about 4-6 million to Mr. Buckingham.

[jwd]

Someone I know that doesn't care about FMac said that same thing!

They said, "$tevie is the Rosanne of rock and roll"

Funny that people that don't really care for the music or don't have a fetish sort of think of her that way. :laugh:


Only difference is FM didn't fire Stevie!

[Macfan4life]

Someone I know that doesn't care about FMac said that same thing!

They said, "$tevie is the Rosanne of rock and roll"

Funny that people that don't really care for the music or don't have a fetish sort of think of her that way. :laugh:
Stevie is the Joan Crawford of Rock N Roll


"Why cant you give me the respect that I'M ENTITLED TO!"

"Why cant you treat me like I would be treated by any stranger on the street"


Lindsey: BECAUSE I'M NOT ONE OF YOUR FANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bring me the axe

I'm bigger, I'm better, and I will always beat you


0:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv8nK05xakw

[jbrownsjr]

Stevie is the Joan Crawford of Rock N Roll


"Why cant you give me the respect that I'M ENTITLED TO!"

"Why cant you treat me like I would be treated by any stranger on the street"


Lindsey: BECAUSE I'M NOT ONE OF YOUR FANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bring me the axe

I'm bigger, I'm better, and I will always beat you


0:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv8nK05xakw

I love Joan Crawford and Faye Dunaway (for that matter) too much, to compare them to $tevie Nick$

But, I love that movie. Love Joan, too.

[gldstwmn]

Act 1: Here Comes the Big Machine
Act 2: Death By a Thousand Cuts
Act 3: TBD

[AnthonyMI]

Stevie is the Joan Crawford of Rock N Roll


"Why cant you give me the respect that I'M ENTITLED TO!"

"Why cant you treat me like I would be treated by any stranger on the street"


Lindsey: BECAUSE I'M NOT ONE OF YOUR FANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bring me the axe

I'm bigger, I'm better, and I will always beat you


0:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv8nK05xakw


She may not use Ajax, but Stevie has nailed the aging, delusional, out of touch starlet part down pat.

[Storms123]

Just when I couldn’t be more disgusted with all of this, something worse happens. “Looks forward to” is a horrible way to respond. This band’s PR strategy is a disaster. Say something like, we are sad that this has reached this point, Lindsey is a valued component of our legacy, we hope to reach an amicable resolution, blah, blah.

Better yet - work something out behind the scenes and end this very public mess.


This coupled with the disgraceful press release when they announced he wasn't touring with them that completed disrespected his contributions to the band...it's like amateur hour in FM PR department.

[secondhandchain]

Act 1: Here Comes the Big Machine
Act 2: Death By a Thousand Cuts
Act 3: TBD

19,000 posts! That's impressive...I think?

[Steviegirl]

I realize that Stevie has the right to do whatever she wants; however, I really miss the very humble and gracious Stevie of old. So many of her antics onstage lately seem canned, phoned in, and, IMHO really corny and embarrassing. I agree with others that everyone's disrespectful gestures during her speech were classless and unprofessional, but I just watched all their speeches again, and all the other band members were very gracious and appropriate for the occasion, but I thought Stevie's speech seemed rambling and self-indulgent. It's even sadder that Christine and Lindsey's speeches mentioned "family" and "love," with regard to the band, and Stevie just focused on herself in a very self-congratulatory way that seemed dismissive of the rest of the band. The few clips I've watched of the latest tour seem similar. STEVIE, not FM, is doing a tribute to Tom Petty, and the shows look like solo SN shows with FM as her touring band. I'm so sad that I'm not going to the shows and seeing the five fireflies. Stevie is just becoming an insufferable caricature of herself, and all the softness and humility from before is gone, and, with it, a lot of her appeal...at least for me. Here is a clip of all the members' speeches: https://tinyurl.com/y8me7e4m

[DownOnRodeo]

Here is a clip of all the members' speeches: https://tinyurl.com/y8me7e4m

Thank you very much for posting that link!

I think Lindsey did a wonderful job with his speech.
And his message was the same consistent message as what he said ont he red carpet and even in his Complaint.
He looks genuinely touched when Christine points to the band and calls them her family.

[DownOnRodeo]

This is absolutely unfounded speculation, but since we're grasping at straws to understand Stevie's mindset in getting rid of Lindsey: I wonder whether, after the speeches, perhaps during the fallout over the "gestures," Lindsey ended up making a remark along the lines of how he'd thought the evening's topic was meant to be Fleetwood Mac not Tom Petty, at which point Stevie went into meltdown?

[Frankenstein]

I realize that Stevie has the right to do whatever she wants; however, I really miss the very humble and gracious Stevie of old. So many of her antics onstage lately seem canned, phoned in, and, IMHO really corny and embarrassing. I agree with others that everyone's disrespectful gestures during her speech were classless and unprofessional, but I just watched all their speeches again, and all the other band members were very gracious and appropriate for the occasion, but I thought Stevie's speech seemed rambling and self-indulgent. It's even sadder that Christine and Lindsey's speeches mentioned "family" and "love," with regard to the band, and Stevie just focused on herself in a very self-congratulatory way that seemed dismissive of the rest of the band. The few clips I've watched of the latest tour seem similar. STEVIE, not FM, is doing a tribute to Tom Petty, and the shows look like solo SN shows with FM as her touring band. I'm so sad that I'm not going to the shows and seeing the five fireflies. Stevie is just becoming an insufferable caricature of herself, and all the softness and humility from before is gone, and, with it, a lot of her appeal...at least for me. Here is a clip of all the members' speeches: https://tinyurl.com/y8me7e4m

Self-indulgent is Stevie’s middle name ;)

[Frankenstein]

This is absolutely unfounded speculation, but since we're grasping at straws to understand Stevie's mindset in getting rid of Lindsey: I wonder whether, after the speeches, perhaps during the fallout over the "gestures," Lindsey ended up making a remark along the lines of how he'd thought the evening's topic was meant to be Fleetwood Mac not Tom Petty, at which point Stevie went into meltdown?

Wouldn’t surprise me, but he isn’t wrong. Even Tom himself would probably think WTF

[secondhandchain]

I realize that Stevie has the right to do whatever she wants; however, I really miss the very humble and gracious Stevie of old. So many of her antics onstage lately seem canned, phoned in, and, IMHO really corny and embarrassing. I agree with others that everyone's disrespectful gestures during her speech were classless and unprofessional, but I just watched all their speeches again, and all the other band members were very gracious and appropriate for the occasion, but I thought Stevie's speech seemed rambling and self-indulgent. It's even sadder that Christine and Lindsey's speeches mentioned "family" and "love," with regard to the band, and Stevie just focused on herself in a very self-congratulatory way that seemed dismissive of the rest of the band. The few clips I've watched of the latest tour seem similar. STEVIE, not FM, is doing a tribute to Tom Petty, and the shows look like solo SN shows with FM as her touring band. I'm so sad that I'm not going to the shows and seeing the five fireflies. Stevie is just becoming an insufferable caricature of herself, and all the softness and humility from before is gone, and, with it, a lot of her appeal...at least for me. Here is a clip of all the members' speeches: https://tinyurl.com/y8me7e4m

You are spot on! All the fans who have stayed with her can't see what we see. She has changed the last few years and NOT in a good way. I used to absolutely love her, but damn the things she says now are just embarrassing.

[jbrownsjr]

You are spot on! All the fans who have stayed with her can't see what we see. She has changed the last few years and NOT in a good way. I used to absolutely love her, but damn the things she says now are just embarrassing.

Truth. She's embarrassing.

[DeepBlueDee]

Just when I couldn’t be more disgusted with all of this, something worse happens. “Looks forward to” is a horrible way to respond. This band’s PR strategy is a disaster. Say something like, we are sad that this has reached this point, Lindsey is a valued component of our legacy, we hope to reach an amicable resolution, blah, blah.

Better yet - work something out behind the scenes and end this very public mess.

Kristen responds on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1052202729970393089?s=19

I agree, the band is not doing themselves any favors with the "looking forward to" court and other statements.
What a sad mess. :(

[HomerMcvie]

19,000 posts! That's impressive...I think?

And that's just this week!:D

[elle]

Kristen responds on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1052202729970393089?s=19

I agree, the band is not doing themselves any favors with the "looking forward to" court and other statements.
What a sad mess. :(

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[Gypsy0033]

I realize that Stevie has the right to do whatever she wants; however, I really miss the very humble and gracious Stevie of old. So many of her antics onstage lately seem canned, phoned in, and, IMHO really corny and embarrassing. I agree with others that everyone's disrespectful gestures during her speech were classless and unprofessional, but I just watched all their speeches again, and all the other band members were very gracious and appropriate for the occasion, but I thought Stevie's speech seemed rambling and self-indulgent. It's even sadder that Christine and Lindsey's speeches mentioned "family" and "love," with regard to the band, and Stevie just focused on herself in a very self-congratulatory way that seemed dismissive of the rest of the band. The few clips I've watched of the latest tour seem similar. STEVIE, not FM, is doing a tribute to Tom Petty, and the shows look like solo SN shows with FM as her touring band. I'm so sad that I'm not going to the shows and seeing the five fireflies. Stevie is just becoming an insufferable caricature of herself, and all the softness and humility from before is gone, and, with it, a lot of her appeal...at least for me. Here is a clip of all the members' speeches: https://tinyurl.com/y8me7e4m

Stevie says in this speech “All of my elder statesmen are gone, what do I have now?”

As her 3 male band mates of over 40 years stand behind her and of course Christine. If anyone should of been upset about Stevie’s speach, it should of been the band. IMO.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie says in this speech “All of my elder statesmen are gone, what do I have now?”

As her 3 male band mates of over 40 years stand behind her and of course Christine. If anyone should of been upset about Stevie’s speach, it should of been the band. IMO.

They're used to her idiocy, which is why they were mocking her, dancing behind her and the like, when $he wouldn't STFU.

[Buster]

There is no excuse for the band’s behavior during her speech. Zero. If they didn’t like it, they could have told her later. Getting an audience to laugh at someone who is speaking is disgraceful.

I’m also tired of the blanket statements made about those of us who call out the other band members’ poor behavior. I agree with many statements about how Stevie has changed over the years. But I also see the situation as not black/white, I think there is more to the story that we may never know, and I think sexism plays a part. If that were a man making a rambling self-indulgent speech, I guarantee you the band wouldn’t have openly mocked him. It’s far easier to mock a woman and hold to certain expectations than a man.

[HomerMcvie]

I’m also tired of the blanket statements made about those of us who call out the other band members’ poor behavior. I agree with many statements about how Stevie has changed over the years. But I also see the situation as not black/white, I think there is more to the story that we may never know, and I think sexism plays a part. If that were a man making a rambling self-indulgent speech, I guarantee you the band wouldn’t have openly mocked him. It’s far easier to mock a woman and hold to certain expectations than a man.

So when Christine is dancing behind her while $he's speaking, does that still qualify as misogyny?:wavey:


Face it, they ALL think $he's an idiot.

[gldstwmn]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unlike FM, we do not look forward to our day in court as this process is not one to relish. We do look forward to truth, fairness and closure however. Thank you for all your support.</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1052202729970393089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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What a pain in the ass. :o

[jbrownsjr]

$he's a self centered, egotistical, megalomaniac that wants the world to see her as a legend; that is humble and works so hard for HER fans. And, $he has quite a lot of her fan$ fooled.

After Christine left, her behavior changed. And $he's not quite been able to get back to being a decent human being. I hope $he wakes up one day and realizes that $he orchestrated something very damaging to herself. Whether it's ever realized, some of us have our eyes and ears connected to our brain.

[DeepBlueDee]

Stevie says in this speech “All of my elder statesmen are gone, what do I have now?”

As her 3 male band mates of over 40 years stand behind her and of course Christine. If anyone should of been upset about Stevie’s speach, it should of been the band. IMO.
Agreed. I remember hearing her say it and cringing. I may have yelled at the screen " Turn around!!! Right behind you!!!"
Cripes! :mad:

[DeepBlueDee]

There is no excuse for the band’s behavior during her speech. Zero. If they didn’t like it, they could have told her later. Getting an audience to laugh at someone who is speaking is disgraceful.

I’m also tired of the blanket statements made about those of us who call out the other band members’ poor behavior. I agree with many statements about how Stevie has changed over the years. But I also see the situation as not black/white, I think there is more to the story that we may never know, and I think sexism plays a part.If that were a man making a rambling self-indulgent speech, I guarantee you the band wouldn’t have openly mocked him. It’s far easier to mock a woman and hold to certain expectations than a man.
I agree that the mocking was uncool. No question.
I disagree that this is sexism. You don't believe if that were Mick up there, carrying on about himself, making it all about him him him, that THIS band, which has been poking each other with sticks for decades now, wouldn't have tried to take the piss out of him by making fun of him for it? Really??? :shocked: This is Fleetwood Mac, after all. :rolleyes:

[Feather Blade]

What a pain in the ass. :o

At least there is no profanity or personal insults to band members this time. Wonder what changed. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

At least there is no profanity or personal insults to band members this time. Wonder what changed. :laugh:

She is revelling in the attention. I didn't realize she was so thirsty.

[Buster]

So when Christine is dancing behind her while $he's speaking, does that still qualify as misogyny?:wavey:


Face it, they ALL think $he's an idiot.

In this case, I said sexism, not misogyny. Double standards, things people do to women that they wouldn’t do to men. Women are guilty of this also. If they all think Stevie’s an idiot, they should tell her to her face instead of what they did. They are the ones who acted like high school fools. In front of Bill Clinton. Bunch of children. :wavey:

[Buster]

I agree that the mocking was uncool. No question.
I disagree that this is sexism. You don't believe if that were Mick up there, carrying on about himself, making it all about him him him, that THIS band, which has been poking each other with sticks for decades now, wouldn't have tried to take the piss out of him by making fun of him for it? Really??? :shocked: This is Fleetwood Mac, after all. :rolleyes:

No I don’t think they would have done the same thing to him behind his back in front of an audience. Obviously I could be wrong but I feel pretty strongly about this.

[Buster]

When men give long speeches talking about themselves, they are considered to be confident and strong. A woman talking for a long time (not that 5 minutes is a long time) about herself is a self-indulgent bitch. BTW, I’m a man in case it’s not clear. If I can see this dynamic, then others should also or at least think about how sexism plays at least a small role in this whole mess.

[HomerMcvie]

In this case, I said sexism, not misogyny. Double standards, things people do to women that they wouldn’t do to men. Women are guilty of this also. If they all think Stevie’s an idiot, they should tell her to her face instead of what they did. They are the ones who acted like high school fools. In front of Bill Clinton. Bunch of children. :wavey:

I doubt anyone would disagree that they're all children. 95% of musicians are!

However, it does display how much(LITTLE) they respect her. And have always felt this way, IMO.

[FuzzyPlum]

There is no excuse for the band’s behavior during her speech. Zero. If they didn’t like it, they could have told her later. Getting an audience to laugh at someone who is speaking is disgraceful.

I’m also tired of the blanket statements made about those of us who call out the other band members’ poor behavior. I agree with many statements about how Stevie has changed over the years. But I also see the situation as not black/white, I think there is more to the story that we may never know, and I think sexism plays a part. If that were a man making a rambling self-indulgent speech, I guarantee you the band wouldn’t have openly mocked him. It’s far easier to mock a woman and hold to certain expectations than a man.

In this case, I said sexism, not misogyny. Double standards, things people do to women that they wouldn’t do to men. Women are guilty of this also. If they all think Stevie’s an idiot, they should tell her to her face instead of what they did. They are the ones who acted like high school fools. In front of Bill Clinton. Bunch of children. :wavey:

No I don’t think they would have done the same thing to him behind his back in front of an audience. Obviously I could be wrong but I feel pretty strongly about this.

When men give long speeches talking about themselves, they are considered to be confident and strong. A woman talking for a long time (not that 5 minutes is a long time) about herself is a self-indulgent bitch. BTW, I’m a man in case it’s not clear. If I can see this dynamic, then others should also or at least think about how sexism plays at least a small role in this whole mess.


Oh come on Buster. Please lighten up a bit. They weren't having fun because she's a woman. They were having fun because she was rambling and boring and and self-centred and bonkers. Indeed, I don't think they really realised they were being in any way disrespectful. I think they were just having fun in the spirit of a fun event/evening. Please don't spin this out as being sexist. If anything its bonkersist.

[BTFLCHLD]

You are spot on! All the fans who have stayed with her can't see what we see. She has changed the last few years and NOT in a good way. I used to absolutely love her, but damn the things she says now are just embarrassing.
perhaps a touch of FLD or FTD or the many other forms of dementia :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

perhaps a touch of FLD or FTD or the many other forms of dementia :shrug:

Which is exactly what crossed my mind when I was watching Lindsey on Kimmel... :shrug: :sorry:

[FuzzyPlum]

No offence intended to any sufferers out there- but Stevie some times comes across these days as mildly autistic. She isn't- she hasn't always been like that and autism isn't something you just 'pick up', it just seems like she somehow developed the traits over the last 20 years or so.

[BTFLCHLD]

Which is exactly what crossed my mind when I was watching Lindsey on Kimmel... :shrug: :sorry:
I know...I'm getting older too.

[lovethemac1]

Oh come on Buster. Please lighten up a bit. They weren't having fun because she's a woman. They were having fun because she was rambling and boring and and self-centred and bonkers. Indeed, I don't think they really realised they were being in any way disrespectful. I think they were just having fun in the spirit of a fun event/evening. Please don't spin this out as being sexist. If anything its bonkersist.

Dead right. They've been teasing her for years, hell they tease each other any chance they can. They are like a bunch of siblings. And Stevie can be a pain as well.......so none of them expected any backlash because that's what they all do to each other, plenty of the time.

Did anyone else see Billy Burnette's tweet about Stevie not being so innocent? He said he saw her pick up a chair and throw it at Chris' head during a fight years ago. I believe it was in response to someone saying something about Lindsey frisbeeing a guitar at Stevie's head.

IMO, she wanted Lindsey out, for whatever reason(s) she had set in her mind. Whether it was due to numerous losses lately, or being sick of him, whatever. She went koo-koo and decided this was the time to do it, and latched on to whatever she could blame him for. Because no one in the band, or in any articles is saying ANYTHING about M, C, J all making fun of her.

IMO as well, I have re watched the "you wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan" scene a dozen times in the last few months. I used to LOVE Stevie with every fibre I had in my body. At the time when Destiny Rules came out, I remember thinking "wow, she's a bit pissy." And in re watching, I see Lindsey working very very hard to be politically correct and kind and considerate and gentle with the way he approaches her. She just blows it off and won't listen. Fine, too much water under the bridge, but he wasn't being an ass at that point.

[gldstwmn]

To say you were fired for smirking is pretty disingenuous. I can't believe his hubris in thinking Fleetwood Mac was just going to let Stevie walk away and carry on with him. If they didn't call Buckingham McVie a Fleetwood Mac record why in the world would they go on a tour with just him? I can't believe that otherwise intelligent people are falling for this dreck. The more articles I read it becomes clearer to me that this is a bunch of bullsh!t. What's also very upsetting to me is he is using his fans - using them to get his side of the story out, using them to attack the band, using them to promote his tour and Anthology, just plain using them.

[dreamsunwind]

When men give long speeches talking about themselves, they are considered to be confident and strong. A woman talking for a long time (not that 5 minutes is a long time) about herself is a self-indulgent bitch. BTW, I’m a man in case it’s not clear. If I can see this dynamic, then others should also or at least think about how sexism plays at least a small role in this whole mess.

That's a point in general but in this situation I can't really agree because people also poked plenty of fun at Lindsey's repepitive speeches about cycles and compartmentalizing emotions and rising above to fulfill one's higher purpose. But at least Lindsey kept his speeches at a decent length.

[gldstwmn]

In this case, I said sexism, not misogyny. Double standards, things people do to women that they wouldn’t do to men. Women are guilty of this also. If they all think Stevie’s an idiot, they should tell her to her face instead of what they did. They are the ones who acted like high school fools. In front of Bill Clinton. Bunch of children. :wavey:

They embarrassed her in front of people she respects. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

When men give long speeches talking about themselves, they are considered to be confident and strong. A woman talking for a long time (not that 5 minutes is a long time) about herself is a self-indulgent bitch. BTW, I’m a man in case it’s not clear. If I can see this dynamic, then others should also or at least think about how sexism plays at least a small role in this whole mess.

I thought you were a woman. You must have been influenced by some very strong ones in your life. Kudos to them and you. :cool:

[gldstwmn]

I know...I'm getting older too.

:laugh::laugh: Nice to see you. :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

Whether it's ever realized, some of us have our eyes and ears connected to our brain.

You have an opinion to which you are most entitled. Don't you think it's a bit narrow minded to feel that everyone else should subscribe to your truth? We are all capable of critical thinking.

[FuzzyPlum]

To say you were fired for smirking is pretty disingenuous. I can't believe his hubris in thinking Fleetwood Mac was just going to let Stevie walk away and carry on with him. If they didn't call Buckingham McVie a Fleetwood Mac record why in the world would they go on a tour with just him? I can't believe that otherwise intelligent people are falling for this dreck. The more articles I read it becomes clearer to me that this is a bunch of bullsh!t. What's also very upsetting to me is e is using his fans - using them to get his side of the story out, using them to attack the band, using them to promote his tour and Anthology, just plain using them.


He's done no more than anyone else would have done. In fact, overall I'd say he's been pretty restrained. He did one interview- big deal. Its not up to him how his fans respond- and fans haven't exactly gone overboard really.

[elle]

That's a point in general but in this situation I can't really agree because people also poked plenty of fun at Lindsey's repepitive speeches about cycles and compartmentalizing emotions and rising above to fulfill one's higher purpose. But at least Lindsey kept his speeches at a decent length.

and we do it in his face at the shows too. he doesn't seem to mind.

some people have a sense of humor.

[FuzzyPlum]

We are all capable of critical thinking.

I hope I don't come across as rude, but do you honestly ever sit down and do this? You seem quite dead-set on your agenda and don't come across as a person who really fully considers all facets of a situation. I mean, I'm sure you are capable of it- but do you actually do it?

[gldstwmn]

I hope I don't come across as rude, but do you honestly ever sit down and do this? You seem quite dead-set on your agenda and don't come across as a person who really fully considers all facets of a situation. I mean, I'm sure you are capable of it- but do you actually do it?

I hope I don't come across as rude but I expected nothing less than a response like this. It's called deflecting.

[BTFLCHLD]

:laugh::laugh: Nice to see you. :wavey: you too...nice to see someone familiar :xoxo:

HELLO MEDIA! Here is the wording...

A spokesman for the group shared the following with ABC Radio: "Fleetwood Mac strongly disputes the allegations presented in Mr. Buckingham's complaint and looks forward to their day in court. The band has retained Dan Petrocelli to handle the case."

[gldstwmn]

He's done no more than anyone else would have done. In fact, overall I'd say he's been pretty restrained. He did one interview- big deal. Its not up to him how his fans respond- and fans haven't exactly gone overboard really.

Really? There are people who are afraid to go to his shows now because of the response and behavior of some of his male fans. I am not kidding.

[gldstwmn]

some people have a sense of humor.

Then maybe he should have laughed when Rhiannon was chosen as the intro at Music Cares instead of losing his sh!t.

[FuzzyPlum]

Really? There are people who are afraid to go to his shows now because of the response and behavior of some of his male fans. I am not kidding.

I don't mean to come across as rude... But I think that's a complete load of made up bullsh!t. No offence.

[jwd]

They embarrassed her in front of people she respects. :nod:


She embarrassed herself. It was a koo koo speech. Even crazy for her, and that's saying a lot. And the real disrespect came from her when she said all her peers are dead. How do you think FM felt about that?!!

[gldstwmn]

But I think that's a complete load of made up bullsh!t. No offence.
It's not. It's out there in places I'm sure you've never dared venture.

[elle]

It's not. It's out there in places I'm sure you've never dared venture.

wait wait wait........ are you saying that all those SN and Fakewood closed social media groups who threw out anyone who may dare to disagree with the Fakewood versions of the events or claim that Stevie is not a saint are now - when there's nobody left in those groups to actually state some facts or reason - are you saying these groups are now telling the ramaining people in that closed secretive cult environment that they should NOT by no circumstances go to LB solo shows? and the reason they made up is that it's because they may be in danger?? :rolleyes:

wow, nice one! really nice. now i'm finally getting some real reasons why anyone with half a brain was thrown out of those groups. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

wait wait wait........ are you saying that all those SN and Fakewood closed social media groups who threw out anyone who may dare to disagree with the Fakewood versions of the events or claim that Stevie is not a saint are now - when there's nobody left in those groups to actually state some facts or reason - are you saying these groups are now telling the ramaining people in that closed secretive cult environment that they should NOT by no circumstances go to LB solo shows? and the reason they made up is that it's because they may be in danger?? :rolleyes:



No that's not what I'm saying at all. What the hell did you read? Tea leaves?

[TheWILDheart]

This entire thread is just as ridiculous as Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

You have an opinion to which you are most entitled. Don't you think it's a bit narrow minded to feel that everyone else should subscribe to your truth? We are all capable of critical thinking.

So you say... lol

[sodascouts]

Dead right. They've been teasing her for years, hell they tease each other any chance they can. They are like a bunch of siblings. And Stevie can be a pain as well.......so none of them expected any backlash because that's what they all do to each other, plenty of the time.

Did anyone else see Billy Burnette's tweet about Stevie not being so innocent? He said he saw her pick up a chair and throw it at Chris' head during a fight years ago. I believe it was in response to someone saying something about Lindsey frisbeeing a guitar at Stevie's head.



Also in terms of mockery, remember during that making of the Tusk documentary, when Lindsey is trying to describe a sound he wants to Mick (?) and is making sound effects, and Stevie makes the crazy gesture to the camera behind his back?

Stevie did it, too... because people do these kind of things! It doesn't mean they're horrible people. It means they're human.

That's why I feel it's ridiculous to make a federal case out of it - and hypocritical for Stevie to do so.

The fact that this would be on a list of "reasons I can't ever be onstage with Lindsey again" is mind-boggling and shows a loss of adult coping skills that she had as recently as five years ago.

[gldstwmn]

So you say... lol

I Know I'm Not Wrong :p

[dreamsunwind]

This entire thread is just as ridiculous as Fleetwood Mac.

I couldn't agree more.

[dreamsunwind]

Also in terms of mockery, remember during that making of the Tusk documentary, when Lindsey is trying to describe a sound he wants to Mick (?) and is making sound effects, and Stevie makes the crazy gesture to the camera behind his back?

Stevie did it, too... because people do these kind of things! It doesn't mean they're horrible people. It means they're human.

That's why I feel it's ridiculous to make a federal case out of it - and hypocritical for Stevie to do so.

The fact that this would be on a list of "reasons I can't ever be onstage with Lindsey again" is mind-boggling and shows a loss of adult coping skills that she had as recently as five years ago.

Excellent point. I agree with every word.

[button-lip]

wait wait wait........ are you saying that all those SN and Fakewood closed social media groups who threw out anyone who may dare to disagree with the Fakewood versions of the events or claim that Stevie is not a saint are now - when there's nobody left in those groups to actually state some facts or reason - are you saying these groups are now telling the ramaining people in that closed secretive cult environment that they should NOT by no circumstances go to LB solo shows? and the reason they made up is that it's because they may be in danger?? :rolleyes:

wow, nice one! really nice. now i'm finally getting some real reasons why anyone with half a brain was thrown out of those groups. :nod:

The only danger you could find in any of Lindsey's concerts is us trying to get front row. :]:]:]:]:]

Actually I'm more afraid of having my head severed by some chiffon flowing around me on some FM concert. :angel:

[jbrownsjr]

I Know I'm Not Wrong :p

Mirage :wavey: