I still want Stevie to get in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, so I posted a video.

[Jondalar]

I'm really ticked at Stevie over her behavior in Fleetwood Mac but after years of fandom, I still want to see her make it in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist. I've watched and read many opinions as to why she should not get in, so I made this video to put my opinion out there. Very tired when I made this, so it's a little sloppy and I was sort of lying down. Let me know what you think.


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[vivfox]

ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT YOU WERE A FEMALE but you're really a man. Wow. I still want her to get in the R&R Hall of Fame also.

[Jondalar]

ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT YOU WERE A FEMALE but you're really a man. Wow. I still want her to get in the R&R Hall of Fame also.

You thought I was a female with a name of Jondalar??? LOL that made my day!

[Jondalar]

There is a mistake in my video. Anyone know how to edit a video on an iPhone.

[Feather Blade]

You thought I was a female with a name of Jondalar??? LOL that made my day!

Ahh, hello there. Always interesting to put a face to the name.

[mitzo]

Nice to meet you Jondalar. We both seem to have similar tastes in Stevie, but unlike you her recent behavior has affected me not a whit. I am really happy to see you supporting her hall of fame bid like this.

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=Jondalar;1240721]I'm really ticked at Stevie over her behavior in Fleetwood Mac but after years of fandom, I still want to see her make it in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist. I've watched and read many opinions as to why she should not get in, so I made this video to put my opinion out there. Very tired when I made this, so it's a little sloppy and I was sort of lying down. Let me know what you think.


HEY that's you! Sorry but just like politically, I can't support you in this endeavor. She's really went from hero to below zero to me in two years. But I support your right to do what you think is right. Nice to meet you. BTW are you laying down shooting this video? Ha love it.

[Jondalar]

I’m either going to have to find a way to edit this video or take it down. I made s mistake in it that irks me.

[Jondalar]

Nice to meet you Jondalar. We both seem to have similar tastes in Stevie, but unlike you her recent behavior has affected me not a whit. I am really happy to see you supporting her hall of fame bid like this.

Hi nice to meet you too.

[Jondalar]

I had to reedit the video, so I replaced the previouis one. That's why no views yet.

[David]

I support your support of Stevie for the hall of fame. With all the professional work she has done and still does, there's no good reason for her not to be inducted as a solo act. In fact, I'd say at this point that her solo work is a lot more varied than her Fleetwood Mac work. In the former, she's done soundtracks for movies, made her own film festival documentary, played hundreds of her own shows, recorded dozens of guest spots, supported a bunch of trendy rock-star causes, and generally left a sizable impression on the whole industry. Her own career is both successful and distinct from that of Fleetwood Mac.

[Jondalar]

I support your support of Stevie for the hall of fame. With all the professional work she has done and still does, there's no good reason for her not to be inducted as a solo act. In fact, I'd say at this point that her solo work is a lot more varied than her Fleetwood Mac work. In the former, she's done soundtracks for movies, made her own film festival documentary, played hundreds of her own shows, recorded dozens of guest spots, supported a bunch of trendy rock-star causes, and generally left a sizable impression on the whole industry. Her own career is both successful and distinct from that of Fleetwood Mac.

This is true and something I forgot to put in the video is her solo work with Kenny Loggins and Dave Stewart, which culminated in three hits - Whenever I Call You Friend, Gold and Midnight Wind.

[FuzzyPlum]

So, that's who you are. Interesting to put a face to a name.
Good video Jondalar- you make some compelling cases.
FWIW, on merit I'd put Roxy Music first, followed by Radiohead, The Cure, Def Leppard and then Stevie.

[Jondalar]

So, that's who you are. Interesting to put a face to a name.
Good video Jondalar- you make some compelling cases.
FWIW, on merit I'd put Roxy Music first, followed by Radiohead, The Cure, Def Leppard and then Stevie.

Thanks. I was lying down.

I think Def Leppard is a shoe in. There are many people campaigning for them. I don’t think Stevie is going to get in. There are too many motor mouths online who keep saying she is already in. Also, some other reasons.

If you want Stevie in, you have to campaign and fight for her. If she is the first woman in twice, it’s a huge deal. She will be remembered for that.

[TheWildHeart67]

Even though I'm really against what she did to Lindsey, I am not letting that take away my love for her music.
I hope she gets inducted into the Hall of Fame.

[gldstwmn]

This is true and something I forgot to put in the video is her solo work with Kenny Loggins and Dave Stewart, which culminated in three hits - Whenever I Call You Friend, Gold and Midnight Wind.

Well it's John Stewart on Gold and Midnight wind so you don't have to edit again. You might as well toss in Magnet and Steel with Walter Egan.
I didn't realize Ringo had been inducted twice. :confused:

[sodascouts]

If freaking RINGO STARR has been inducted as a solo artist when he has done almost nothing of note in that regard, Stevie Nicks surely deserves to be!

[Jondalar]

Well it's John Stewart on Gold and Midnight wind so you don't have to edit again. You might as well toss in Magnet and Steel with Walter Egan.
I didn't realize Ringo had been inducted twice. :confused:

I can’t believe said Dave Stewart. Uggg

[Lee]

ITA, thank you,yes with everything you said. I haven't posted in a while, but I've been reading this board. I'm tired of reading the Stevie bashing. She desires to be in the R&R Hall of Fame. I love her solo music. I really believe that she will get it. :blob2:

Lee :)

[BombaySapphire3]

So, that's who you are. Interesting to put a face to a name.
Good video Jondalar- you make some compelling cases.
FWIW, on merit I'd put Roxy Music first, followed by Radiohead, The Cure, Def Leppard and then Stevie.

Really ..if Roxy and Radiohead don't get in then it really is a joke.

[FuzzyPlum]

If freaking RINGO STARR has been inducted as a solo artist when he has done almost nothing of note in that regard, Stevie Nicks surely deserves to be!


Ringo has arguably had a bigger and better solo career than Stevie- just not for a long time.

[secondhandchain]

Ringo has arguably had a bigger and better solo career than Stevie- just not for a long time.



Ringo had (US CHARTS) 3 number ones and another in the top 5 To me that beats Stevie hands down.

It don't come easy #1
Photograph #1
You're Sixteen #1
The No No song #4
Backoff Boogaloo went to number 9.
All BIG solo hits for Ringo. He deserves it. Stevie's first two albums were good and had hits but she faded in the hit department after that. Talk to Me wasn't even written by her. BTW why does she never play that live? Because she didnt'
write it? Doesn't make sense.

[FuzzyPlum]

Ringo had (US CHARTS) 3 number ones and another in the top 5 To me that beats Stevie hands down.

It don't come easy #1
Photograph #1
You're Sixteen #1
The No No song #4
Backoff Boogaloo went to number 9.
All BIG solo hits for Ringo. He deserves it. Stevie's first two albums were good and had hits but she faded in the hit department after that. Talk to Me wasn't even written by her. BTW why does she never play that live? Because she didnt'
write it? Doesn't make sense.


Ringo had 8 top 10 US hits to Stevie's 4. I think he actually had 2 Number 1's (It Don't Come Easy was Number 4, not Number 1). However, Stevie's been more successful overall in terms of her albums, though Ringo has recorded a lot, lot more.

[StreetAngel86]

[QUOTE=Jondalar;1240721]


HEY that's you! Sorry but just like politically, I can't support you in this endeavor. She's really went from hero to below zero to me in two years. But I support your right to do what you think is right. Nice to meet you. BTW are you laying down shooting this video? Ha love it.


same.
sorry. she really needs to fix this big time.
until then she's been tainted in my mind.
and it really feels like a death to me.

vote 1: Def Leppard.

thought you were potentially a female too ... sorry Jond :lol::wavey:

[Jondalar]

Ringo had 8 top 10 US hits to Stevie's 4. I think he actually had 2 Number 1's (It Don't Come Easy was Number 4, not Number 1). However, Stevie's been more successful overall in terms of her albums, though Ringo has recorded a lot, lot more.

His songs aren’t memorable and don’t even get played very much. Even with the #1 hits, his albums didn’t sale because he got played he was Ringo Star. Stevie destroyed him in album sales and influence.

[Jondalar]

Ringo had (US CHARTS) 3 number ones and another in the top 5 To me that beats Stevie hands down.

It don't come easy #1
Photograph #1
You're Sixteen #1
The No No song #4
Backoff Boogaloo went to number 9.
All BIG solo hits for Ringo. He deserves it. Stevie's first two albums were good and had hits but she faded in the hit department after that. Talk to Me wasn't even written by her. BTW why does she never play that live? Because she didnt'
write it? Doesn't make sense.

He sucks and his albums have sold squat. He got played because he is Ringo Star and it was the 70s.

[Jondalar]

Ringo has arguably had a bigger and better solo career than Stevie- just not for a long time.

That’s BS.

[Jondalar]

Ringo had (US CHARTS) 3 number ones and another in the top 5 To me that beats Stevie hands down.

It don't come easy #1
Photograph #1
You're Sixteen #1
The No No song #4
Backoff Boogaloo went to number 9.
All BIG solo hits for Ringo. He deserves it. Stevie's first two albums were good and had hits but she faded in the hit department after that. Talk to Me wasn't even written by her. BTW why does she never play that live? Because she didnt'
write it? Doesn't make sense.

And Ringo didn’t write them and they are not played on classic radio very much.

[secondhandchain]

And Ringo didn’t write them and they are not played on classic radio very much.

To say he doesn't really deserve to get in? A BEATLE with all those top 10 hits? I hear them all the time. He is deserving.

[Jondalar]

To say he doesn't really deserve to get in? A BEATLE with all those top 10 hits? I hear them all the time. He is deserving.

Not as deserving as her. He didn't do it while he was in the beatles or write the songs. I think he only had 3 gold albums. whoopie - A real trailblazer.... Nicks is a culteral icon too and she hasn't lost her popularity.

[FuzzyPlum]

And Ringo didn’t write them and they are not played on classic radio very much.


Well, there are different measures of success. If you are looking at total sales then- yes, Stevie has probably sold more records. I'm looking at the number of single hits and the sheer volume of album releases. Its true to say Ringo hasn't written the majority of the songs on his album releases, but in terms of his hit singles- Yes! Ringo wrote most of them.

...and he voiced Thomas the Tank Engine... poop-poop.

[Jondalar]

Well, there are different measures of success. If you are looking at total sales then- yes, Stevie has probably sold more records. I'm looking at the number of single hits and the sheer volume of album releases. Its true to say Ringo hasn't written the majority of the songs on his album releases, but in terms of his hit singles- Yes! Ringo wrote most of them.

...and he voiced Thomas the Tank Engine... poop-poop.

I forgot he is real name is Starkey. However, he sucks donkey dicks. End of story. She is more important than he is, especially to women. The fact you are even arguing over this is ridiculous. She has grew in popularity unlike 99% of classic rock artists.

He's the pooh, so take a whiff...

[FuzzyPlum]

I forgot he is real name is Starkey. However, he sucks donkey dicks. End of story. She is more important than he is, especially to women. The fact you are even arguing over this is ridiculous. She has grew in popularity unlike 99% of classic rock artists.

He's the pooh, so take a whiff...


He can play an instrument. Don't you know he was the fourth best drummer in The Beatles? That's a fine achievement.
He sucks donkey dicks??? Hmmm, lovely :shrug:

[saniette]

I forgot he is real name is Starkey. However, he sucks donkey dicks. End of story. She is more important than he is, especially to women. The fact you are even arguing over this is ridiculous. She has grew in popularity unlike 99% of classic rock artists.

He's the pooh, so take a whiff...

Why is tearing down Ringo essential to Stevie's campaign to get in the RORHF? Maybe concentrate on why Def Leppard seems to be more popular than her?

Musical taste is completely subjective, but I don't think you can say Stevie's solo career is any better than his. He had just as many hits, which are still played on the radio, and at least he didn't fall into the eighties overproduction like Stevie. Her work in FM was better, as even she seems to acknowledge, by doing newer versions of those songs.

[Jondalar]

Why is tearing down Ringo essential to Stevie's campaign to get in the RORHF? Maybe concentrate on why Def Leppard seems to be more popular than her?

Musical taste is completely subjective, but I don't think you can say Stevie's solo career is any better than his. He had just as many hits, which are still played on the radio, and at least he didn't fall into the eighties overproduction like Stevie. Her work in FM was better, as even she seems to acknowledge, by doing newer versions of those songs.

He wasn't really part of the 80s, and I'll take her hits over his any day. The only song I really like of his is It Don't Come Easy.

The point of him in the video is that he is in the rock and roll twice, so she should she be. There are people who are saying she should not get in twice.Her solo career is just as strong as his. She sold a lot more albums. My point is if he is in twice, so should she. Joe Walsh is in twice. There are many men in twice. She would be the first woman.She is getting a lot of criticism for even being nominated. It's complete bull****.

Stevie's real achievement is having a very successful solo career, while she was in Fleetwood Mac for almost 40 years.

[FuzzyPlum]

He wasn't really part of the 80s, and I'll take her hits over his any day. The only song I really like of his is It Don't Come Easy.

The point of him in the video is that he is in the rock and roll twice, so she should she be. There are people who are saying she should not get in twice.Her solo career is just as strong as his. She sold a lot more albums. My point is if he is in twice, so should she. Joe Walsh is in twice. There are many men in twice. She would be the first woman.She is getting a lot of criticism for even being nominated. It's complete bull****.

Stevie's real achievement is having a very successful solo career, while she was in Fleetwood Mac for almost 40 years.

Ringo isn't inducted as a solo artist per-se.
He was inducted as a special award for those people who impacted on the careers of others. Its not a direct comparison.

PS- the whole thing is a big joke anyway and shouldn't really be as important as it is.

[Jondalar]

Ringo isn't inducted as a solo artist per-se.
He was inducted as a special award for those people who impacted on the careers of others. Its not a direct comparison.

PS- the whole thing is a big joke anyway and shouldn't really be as important as it is.

She is not going to get inducted for various reasons. There is too much against her. I thought I would put a fight for her, even though I can barely stand her right now.

[FuzzyPlum]

ITA, thank you,yes with everything you said. I haven't posted in a while, but I've been reading this board. I'm tired of reading the Stevie bashing. She desires to be in the R&R Hall of Fame. I love her solo music. I really believe that she will get it. :blob2:

Lee :)


Apologies for not pm'ing you- but how is your brother???

[BombaySapphire3]

He wasn't really part of the 80s, and I'll take her hits over his any day. The only song I really like of his is It Don't Come Easy.

The point of him in the video is that he is in the rock and roll twice, so she should she be. There are people who are saying she should not get in twice.Her solo career is just as strong as his. She sold a lot more albums. My point is if he is in twice, so should she. Joe Walsh is in twice. There are many men in twice. She would be the first woman.She is getting a lot of criticism for even being nominated. It's complete bull****.

Stevie's real achievement is having a very successful solo career, while she was in Fleetwood Mac for almost 40 years.

If commercial success in the eighties is the reason for induction then Def Leppard crushes Stevie. If we are going on artistic merits and consistency through their careers then it is Roxy and Radiohead at the top of the list IMO.

[Jondalar]

If commercial success in the eighties is the reason for induction then Def Leppard crushes Stevie. If we are going on artistic merits and consistency through their careers then it is Roxy and Radiohead at the top of the list IMO.

Def Leppard is going to inducted. They are the only shoe in. I agree with Roxy and Radiohead, but I'm not sure that is going to matter.

[Jondalar]

Def Leppard has many people campaining for them. They have jump ahead of Stevie by about 9,000 votes. She really needs your votes.

Here are the top 5.

155,867 = Def Leppard
147,751 = Stevie Nicks
95,472 = The Cure
80,523 = Todd Rundgren
72,726 = The Zombies

[gldstwmn]

Ringo has arguably had a bigger and better solo career than Stevie- just not for a long time.

I think that's debatable. :shrug: :lol:

[gldstwmn]

It don't come easy #1


That is a George Harrison co-write.

[gldstwmn]

Ringo had 8 top 10 US hits to Stevie's 4.

Stevie Nicks' Top 10 Biggest Hits on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7385880/stevie-nicks-top-10-biggest-billboard-hits
Rank, Title, Hot 100 Peak Position, Peak Date

1. "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" (with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers), No. 3, Sept. 5, 1981



2. "Dreams" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 1, June 18, 1977



3. "Leather and Lace" (with Don Henley), No. 6, Jan. 23, 1982



4. "Talk to Me," No. 4, Jan. 25, 1986



5. "Stand Back," No. 5, Aug. 20, 1983



6. "Sara" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 7, Feb. 2, 1980



7. "Rhiannon" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 11, June 5, 1976



8. "Edge of Seventeen," No. 11, April 17, 1982



9. "I Can't Wait," No. 16, April 12, 1986



10. "Rooms On Fire," No. 16, July 1, 1989


I'm counting 7 top 10's not including FM.

[gldstwmn]

Well, there are different measures of success. If you are looking at total sales then- yes, Stevie has probably sold more records. I'm looking at the number of single hits and the sheer volume of album releases. Its true to say Ringo hasn't written the majority of the songs on his album releases, but in terms of his hit singles- Yes! Ringo wrote most of them.

...and he voiced Thomas the Tank Engine... poop-poop.

I love Ringo. And I didn't know that last little factoid you mentioned.

[gldstwmn]

Def Leppard is going to inducted.

I remember seeing them at Red Rocks in '87-'88. It was quite the show, Hysteria if you will. :laugh:

[Jondalar]

Does it ever hit anyone between the eyes that she has had a dual career for almost 40 years, and is one of the only women who can sell out arenas by herself. She was the only female who had a number #1 album in the 1980's with a Group (Mirage) and solo (Bella Donna). No other female has managed to do what she has done with her level of success.

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=gldstwmn;1240927]Stevie Nicks' Top 10 Biggest Hits on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7385880/stevie-nicks-top-10-biggest-billboard-hits
Rank, Title, Hot 100 Peak Position, Peak Date

1. "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" (with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers), No. 3, Sept. 5, 1981



2. "Dreams" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 1, June 18, 1977



3. "Leather and Lace" (with Don Henley), No. 6, Jan. 23, 1982



4. "Talk to Me," No. 4, Jan. 25, 1986



5. "Stand Back," No. 5, Aug. 20, 1983



6. "Sara" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 7, Feb. 2, 1980



7. "Rhiannon" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 11, June 5, 1976



8. "Edge of Seventeen," No. 11, April 17, 1982



9. "I Can't Wait," No. 16, April 12, 1986



10. "Rooms On Fire," No. 16, July 1, 1989


Why are you including fleetwood mac???? This is SOLO. Should we include all of Ringos Beatle hits? yes he had a bunch.

[FuzzyPlum]

That is a George Harrison co-write.

A co-write nevertheless. Stevie had 4 top ten (US) solo singles... and half of those weren't written by her.

On another note, I cant believe neither Roxy Music, nor Radiohead are in the top 5 of the public vote. Wow.

[gldstwmn]

[QUOTE=gldstwmn;1240927]

Why are you including fleetwood mac???? This is SOLO..

I didn't. Read my whole post first.

[Jondalar]

A co-write nevertheless. Stevie had 4 top ten (US) solo singles... and half of those weren't written by her.

On another note, I cant believe neither Roxy Music, nor Radiohead are in the top 5 of the public vote. Wow.

His career happened after the Beatles ended. So did Tina Turners. What Stevie did was totally unique and groundbreaking.

Ringo is a joke. I think you like him because you’re European. She is a unique totally performer and deserves to be recognized.

[gldstwmn]

A co-write nevertheless. Stevie had 4 top ten (US) solo singles... and half of those weren't written by her.

[/I]

There were 7. They are in the post you responded to. :lol: :confused:

[saniette]

Stevie Nicks' Top 10 Biggest Hits on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7385880/stevie-nicks-top-10-biggest-billboard-hits
Rank, Title, Hot 100 Peak Position, Peak Date

1. "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" (with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers), No. 3, Sept. 5, 1981



2. "Dreams" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 1, June 18, 1977



3. "Leather and Lace" (with Don Henley), No. 6, Jan. 23, 1982



4. "Talk to Me," No. 4, Jan. 25, 1986



5. "Stand Back," No. 5, Aug. 20, 1983



6. "Sara" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 7, Feb. 2, 1980



7. "Rhiannon" (Fleetwood Mac), No. 11, June 5, 1976



8. "Edge of Seventeen," No. 11, April 17, 1982



9. "I Can't Wait," No. 16, April 12, 1986



10. "Rooms On Fire," No. 16, July 1, 1989


I'm counting 7 top 10's not including FM.

You counted wrong. Edge of Seventeen, I Can't Wait, and Rooms on Fire aren't top 10 singles. Stevie only has 4 top 10's solo, as posted above. Two of those are written by somebody else.

Not that it really matters, she's done enough to get in.

[FuzzyPlum]

His career happened after the Beatles ended. So did Tina Turners. What Stevie did was totally unique and groundbreaking.

Ringo is a joke. I think you like him because you’re European. She is a unique totally performer and deserves to be recognized.

There's a whole big world out there outside the US of A. Check it out some time.
For what its worth I'm a Beatles fan, but I couldn't really give two sh!ts about Ringo Starr (no offence Ringo, old boy).

[Jondalar]

Ok so I guess you guys are saying you don’t want her in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist. That’s what this bitching and moaning is about

[Feather Blade]

Ok so I guess you guys are saying you don’t want her in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist. That’s what this bitching and moaning is about

Bitching and moaning at this site?? Never! ;)

[FuzzyPlum]

I'm not against her being in the Hall of Fame (as I said, the whole thing is a joke anyway). I'm just being objective. Are there other artists already in there that don't deserve to be ahead of her? Absolutely. Do I think she deserves on merit to be ahead of several of this years' eligible acts? No. But I think she's close, so if not this year then maybe next. I think her cultural influence is more significant than her actual body of work though.

[BombaySapphire3]

Ok so I guess you guys are saying you don’t want her in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist. That’s what this bitching and moaning is about
Perhaps some people are a bit perplexed that you in particular are her cheerleader for this endeavor since you had completely relinquished your fandom on this board:shrug::laugh:

[Jondalar]

Perhaps some people are a bit perplexed that you in particular are her cheerleader for this endeavor since you had completely relinquished your fandom on this board:shrug::laugh:

I don’t think she is going to get another chance. I think this is it.

[BombaySapphire3]

I don’t think she is going to get another chance. I think this is it.

Probably not after her shenanigans after Musicares and breaking up the band that she always swore that she would never be the one to break up.

[Jondalar]

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