Giving Stevie the benefit of the doubt

[golddustboy71]

There’s once again so much bad vibes and negativity on other threads on this forum since reading the Lindsey/Rolling Stone interview...it makes me so sad to hear such nastyness directed at my goddess... especially at a time in her/their career when they should be sailing off in to a beautiful golden sunset😢....I hope some of us can rise above this... I will always worship this woman and can’t believe what Lindsey says is the simple truth...perhaps ‘I don’t want to know the reason why.... ? ...I just had to put this out there.... heartbroken of London England 😣

[bombaysaffires]

There’s once again so much bad vibes and negativity on other threads on this forum since reading the Lindsey/Rolling Stone interview...it makes me so sad to hear such nastyness directed at my goddess... especially at a time in her/their career when they should be sailing off in to a beautiful golden sunset😢....I hope some of us can rise above this... I will always worship this woman and can’t believe what Lindsey says is the simple truth...perhaps ‘I don’t want to know the reason why.... ? ...I just had to put this out there.... heartbroken of London England 😣

it is always hard when heroes fall.

these people, all 5 of them, have dark sides, petty sides, bitchy sides, selfish sides. some just choose to believe only the dark about some and only the light about others.

they're all terribly flawed human beings, like everyone else.

[dreamsunwind]

The issue with Stevie I think is that too many of her fans have held her up on a pedestal where they see her as this elegant witchy rock woman who has survived a crazy life. And it's not like that's not true, but the thing is-- Stevie Nicks has been-- and probably still can be-- quite an asshole. You can admire her for her music and her story and strength but no one should really try to ignore that Stevie has done a lot of things in her life-- as have MANY others-- that are not exactly morally admirable. She's not a perfect person and she doesn't have to be but I think so many of her fans have a hard time accepting that Stevie has that side to her. She, like anyone else, does bad things sometimes and can be a diva or a narcissist.

[secondhandchain]

There’s once again so much bad vibes and negativity on other threads on this forum since reading the Lindsey/Rolling Stone interview...it makes me so sad to hear such nastyness directed at my goddess... especially at a time in her/their career when they should be sailing off in to a beautiful golden sunset😢....I hope some of us can rise above this... I will always worship this woman and can’t believe what Lindsey says is the simple truth...perhaps ‘I don’t want to know the reason why.... ? ...I just had to put this out there.... heartbroken of London England 😣

It turns out she's a real piece of work and an a hole of a human being. Get used to it.

[Sugar Mouse]

There’s once again so much bad vibes and negativity on other threads on this forum since reading the Lindsey/Rolling Stone interview...it makes me so sad to hear such nastyness directed at my goddess... especially at a time in her/their career when they should be sailing off in to a beautiful golden sunset😢....I hope some of us can rise above this... I will always worship this woman and can’t believe what Lindsey says is the simple truth...perhaps ‘I don’t want to know the reason why.... ? ...I just had to put this out there.... heartbroken of London England 😣

Nice post. Like most interpersonal issues, there are multiple sides to every story and usually each person holds some portion of the blame. Either way, it's time for us to move on and enjoy the music. We have two wonderful tours after all.

[Macfan4life]

Stevie has threatened to leave Fleetwood Mac so many times over the past 35 years. What is different this time? I believe the Buck/Vie album drove her over the edge. She also got very jealous when Lindsey and Christine wrote World Turning together. I bet if they sat and waited for her to finish her solo tour and not made an album, she would not have fired Lindsey. Its really sad that after all the Fleetwood Mac drama they could not do it one final album and tour :(

[sands of time]

Doubt? What doubt?

[StevieandChris]

Stevie has threatened to leave Fleetwood Mac so many times over the past 35 years. What is different this time? I believe the Buck/Vie album drove her over the edge. She also got very jealous when Lindsey and Christine wrote World Turning together. I bet if they sat and waited for her to finish her solo tour and not made an album, she would not have fired Lindsey. Its really sad that after all the Fleetwood Mac drama they could not do it one final album and tour :(

I don’t buy the BuckVie jealously because she could have changed her mind when she saw them actually go into the studio...and she has plenty of material if new songs were not ready. The record company would definitely have put the pressure on to wait for her if she really wanted to do it, and that power would have stroked her ego.

I think she just cannot take him any longer.

[Frankenstein]

Stevie has threatened to leave Fleetwood Mac so many times over the past 35 years. What is different this time? I believe the Buck/Vie album drove her over the edge. She also got very jealous when Lindsey and Christine wrote World Turning together. I bet if they sat and waited for her to finish her solo tour and not made an album, she would not have fired Lindsey. Its really sad that after all the Fleetwood Mac drama they could not do it one final album and tour :(

I remember that one interview right before it was confirmed BuckVie album was actually going to be released. Stevie said that she didn’t think they were going to do it. Then they did. I think she enjoys feeling like she holds all the cards and like people are “pining” for her - whether it’s Lindsey after their breakup, BuckVie album, etc

[MaryLiz2]

I don’t buy the BuckVie jealously because she could have changed her mind when she saw them actually go into the studio...and she has plenty of material if new songs were not ready. The record company would definitely have put the pressure on to wait for her if she really wanted to do it, and that power would have stroked her ego.

I think she just cannot take him any longer.

^ This. She's 70 years old and was having a lovely time on her solo tour. If she had any desire to contribute to BuckVie (and thereby have it be a Mac record), she had plenty of opportunity to do so. I've read her quotes on the making of Say You Will (her feelings on the experience seemed to get progressively worse as time passed); I think she's decided she's not spending one more minute of the time she's got left in a studio with Lindsey. (Not trying to cast blame on either side for WHY she doesn't want to...just objectively stating that it's been pretty apparent that it is something she has no desire to do).

[StreetAngel86]

it is always hard when heroes fall.

these people, all 5 of them, have dark sides, petty sides, bitchy sides, selfish sides. some just choose to believe only the dark about some and only the light about others.

they're all terribly flawed human beings, like everyone else.


when you're a public figure
and have been in a massive band for DECADES
you should be able to conduct yourself in a manner
that doesnt turn 1/2 your fandom against you.

i'm all for having a dark, bitchy side
and stevie's flaws are one of the reasons she appealed to me
but lack of loyalty and destroying a band (which prob at max has 3 - 5 years left in them) over actual PETTY $h!t gets no sympathy from me.
she should have left.

[Feather Blade]

I don’t buy the BuckVie jealously because she could have changed her mind when she saw them actually go into the studio...and she has plenty of material if new songs were not ready. The record company would definitely have put the pressure on to wait for her if she really wanted to do it, and that power would have stroked her ego.

I think she just cannot take him any longer.

I don't buy any jealousy over that album either. Good grief, she said in an interview she wished them well. (perhaps just grateful she wasn't the one in the studio working with Lindsey again?) I don't get the obsession with the jealousy theory and I also don't understand those who want so terribly to believe that Christine and Lindsey are such close friends.

[sleepless child]

before every Fleetwood Mac tour she would say she and Lindsey had a sit down and worked on their relationship.


What the hell happened? This is just beyond sad. I love Stevie, but I have no reason not to believe Lindsey. He seems very honest in this article. I'm really broken hearted over this.

[sands of time]

I don't buy any jealousy over that album either. Good grief, she said in an interview she wished them well. (perhaps just grateful she wasn't the one in the studio working with Lindsey again?) I don't get the obsession with the jealousy theory and I also don't understand those who want so terribly to believe that Christine and Lindsey are such close friends.


Your confusion is impressively staggering. :eek:

[bombaysaffires]

^ This. She's 70 years old and was having a lovely time on her solo tour. If she had any desire to contribute to BuckVie (and thereby have it be a Mac record), she had plenty of opportunity to do so. I've read her quotes on the making of Say You Will (her feelings on the experience seemed to get progressively worse as time passed); I think she's decided she's not spending one more minute of the time she's got left in a studio with Lindsey. (Not trying to cast blame on either side for WHY she doesn't want to...just objectively stating that it's been pretty apparent that it is something she has no desire to do).

then SHE should leave the band. Go do you time on solo tours and solo albums if that's what makes you happy. Why rip apart the band when YOU are the ONE who is unhappy???

when you're a public figure
and have been in a massive band for DECADES
you should be able to conduct yourself in a manner
that doesnt turn 1/2 your fandom against you.

i'm all for having a dark, bitchy side
and stevie's flaws are one of the reasons she appealed to me
but lack of loyalty and destroying a band (which prob at max has 3 - 5 years left in them) over actual PETTY $h!t gets no sympathy from me.
she should have left.

see my quote above. totally agree.

I don't buy any jealousy over that album either. Good grief, she said in an interview she wished them well. (perhaps just grateful she wasn't the one in the studio working with Lindsey again?) I don't get the obsession with the jealousy theory and I also don't understand those who want so terribly to believe that Christine and Lindsey are such close friends.

wth else is she going to say in the press?? she's going to say the politically correct thing so she looks like a good sport. doesn't mean she means it. :sorry:

[StevieandChris]

before every Fleetwood Mac tour she would say she and Lindsey had a sit down and worked on their relationship.


What the hell happened? This is just beyond sad. I love Stevie, but I have no reason not to believe Lindsey. He seems very honest in this article. I'm really broken hearted over this.

I don’t think he is lying, I think he is telling his side of the story that makes him look the best...same way someone posted that Stevie will do when she speaks out.

[StevieandChris]

then SHE should leave the band. Go do you time on solo tours and solo albums if that's what makes you happy. Why rip apart the band when YOU are the ONE who is unhappy???



see my quote above. totally agree.



wth else is she going to say in the press?? she's going to say the politically correct thing so she looks like a good sport. doesn't mean she means it. :sorry:

Why should she leave? She gets along well enough with the rest of the band.

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[WatchChain]

As evidenced by prior posts, I've never been one to blindly defend Stevie Nicks. However, there are several amateur shot audience videos from Music Cares that show the entire band making fun of Stevie behind her back as she gives a never-ending acceptance speech (even in the minutes leading up to the "Mick and Chris Waltz").

For example, fast foward this video to the 4:25 minute mark and watch for about 20 seconds. It clearly shows the entire band laughing at Stevie, even Christine McVie begins checking her watch. These actions lead up to Mick and Chris waltzing to lampoon Stevie's speech. All of this behavior is carried on in front of an audience of thousands--including the national press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_Wonk4CNM

My problem with this is that:

1) Lindsey does not appear to be the ONLY one smirking at Stevie's behavior behind her back--why should ONLY HE be chastised?

2) The truth is, these people obviously have very little respect for Stevie. Sure, I know the woman can talk forever, but they could at least cut out their s**t for a national audience. All are guilty here!

[StevieandChris]

The smirking thing was just one part of what upset her, according to the article. She was probably annoyed at Chris and Mick, but Lindsey doing it was just one more thing on that list that sent her over the edge.

[gldstwmn]

As evidenced by prior posts, I've never been one to blindly defend Stevie Nicks. However, there are several amateur shot audience videos from Music Cares that show the entire band making fun of Stevie behind her back as she gives a never-ending acceptance speech (even in the minutes leading up to the "Mick and Chris Waltz").

For example, fast foward this video to the 4:25 minute mark and watch for about 20 seconds. It clearly shows the entire band laughing at Stevie, even Christine McVie begins checking her watch. These actions lead up to Mick and Chris waltzing to lampoon Stevie's speech. All of this behavior is carried on in front of an audience of thousands--including the national press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_Wonk4CNM

My problem with this is that:

1) Lindsey does not appear to be the ONLY one smirking at Stevie's behavior behind her back--why should ONLY HE be chastised?

2) The truth is, these people obviously have very little respect for Stevie. Sure, I know the woman can talk forever, but they could at least cut out their s**t for a national audience. All are guilty here!

I think maybe 40 years of them not taking her seriously might have come to a head for her. I don't think that was the only reason though.

[gldstwmn]

Why should she leave? She gets along well enough with the rest of the band.

Not to mention they probably begged her not to. At least Mick anyway...

[bombaysaffires]

I think maybe 40 years of them not taking her seriously might have come to a head for her. I don't think that was the only reason tough.

oh I think after 1981 they began taking her very seriously. especially because at that point, not only had she out-succeeded them, she had a ferocious management team who began DEMANDING better treatment for her.

[StreetAngel86]

Why should she leave? She gets along well enough with the rest of the band.

DOES SHE?
or does she just control them better?

[jkmaletic]

Why should she leave? She gets along well enough with the rest of the band.

As I've said before, I wish she would have left. It would've been better for her love of her solo career, and I think Lindsey would probably have been happy to stay on without her.

Jamie

[sleepless child]

Stevie herself makes fun of the fact in the speech that she talks too much.

If this is a major reason for her firing Lindsey, that is beyond petty.

They were all making fun of the length of the speech. She needed a better excuse than that.

[JohnL]

I don’t buy the BuckVie jealously because she could have changed her mind when she saw them actually go into the studio...and she has plenty of material if new songs were not ready. The record company would definitely have put the pressure on to wait for her if she really wanted to do it, and that power would have stroked her ego.

I think she just cannot take him any longer.

Sorry but the Buckingham McVie argument just doesn’t hold up. If she is the spoiled little bitch you try to make her out to be then she would not be speaking to Christine either. And Christine stayed with the band. If Christine and Lindsey were so buddy buddy and then they would’ve bonded together and pushed Stevie out of the band. I am so tired of talking about this. I’m sure the people bashing her on Twitter mostly belong to this board.

[JohnL]

As evidenced by prior posts, I've never been one to blindly defend Stevie Nicks. However, there are several amateur shot audience videos from Music Cares that show the entire band making fun of Stevie behind her back as she gives a never-ending acceptance speech (even in the minutes leading up to the "Mick and Chris Waltz").

For example, fast foward this video to the 4:25 minute mark and watch for about 20 seconds. It clearly shows the entire band laughing at Stevie, even Christine McVie begins checking her watch. These actions lead up to Mick and Chris waltzing to lampoon Stevie's speech. All of this behavior is carried on in front of an audience of thousands--including the national press.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_Wonk4CNM

My problem with this is that:

1) Lindsey does not appear to be the ONLY one smirking at Stevie's behavior behind her back--why should ONLY HE be chastised?

2) The truth is, these people obviously have very little respect for Stevie. Sure, I know the woman can talk forever, but they could at least cut out their s**t for a national audience. All are guilty here!

My bet is that he is using this as an excuse. He did something else backstage or just tell her when they were by themselves and that pushed her over the edge. He will never admit it. I really hope Steve he comes out and tells her side because petty little Lindsey just wants attention attention attention.

[WatchChain]

My bet is that he is using this as an excuse. He did something else backstage or just tell her when they were by themselves and that pushed her over the edge. He will never admit it. I really hope Steve he comes out and tells her side because petty little Lindsey just wants attention attention attention.

I too would like Stevie to come forth with her side of the story. Both are guilty of toxic behavior. The truth falls somewhere in between.

[secondhandchain]

My bet is that he is using this as an excuse. He did something else backstage or just tell her when they were by themselves and that pushed her over the edge. He will never admit it. I really hope Steve he comes out and tells her side because petty little Lindsey just wants attention attention attention.

You’re joking right? He was the one whowas fired not her. I know it’s hard for you to see it but she has become an insufferable POS

[Feather Blade]

Sorry but the Buckingham McVie argument just doesn’t hold up. If she is the spoiled little bitch you try to make her out to be then she would not be speaking to Christine either. And Christine stayed with the band. If Christine and Lindsey were so buddy buddy and then they would’ve bonded together and pushed Stevie out of the band. I am so tired of talking about this. I’m sure the people bashing her on Twitter mostly belong to this board.

JohnL were you really referring to StevieandChris's comment because he or she agreed with you that they also didn't buy any silly Buckingham/McVie jealousy. They certainly didn't portray Stevie as a spoiled little b*tch. Perhaps this was supposed to be directed at someone else?

[Feather Blade]

then SHE should leave the band. Go do you time on solo tours and solo albums if that's what makes you happy. Why rip apart the band when YOU are the ONE who is unhappy???



see my quote above. totally agree.



wth else is she going to say in the press?? she's going to say the politically correct thing so she looks like a good sport. doesn't mean she means it. :sorry:

I could easily believe that all those years ago when it was still only scant months since she and Lindsey had a relationship, that it could have bothered her that Christine and Lindsey wrote World Turning together. That Christine and Lindsey made something together like that when the two of them were never able to write together. Now, all these many years down the road with so much water under the bridge and knowing the fact that she doesn't want to deal with being stuck in a studio with him for months dealing with his reportedly dictatorial production style, it would make zero sense to me that she would care at all that they put a record together. Like I said, I think she'd just be relieved that it wasn't her. More time for her other plans and projects.

Also, I'm glad to hear that just because someone says the politically correct thing so they look like a good sport, that they don't actually have to mean it. :cool: ;) I'll just leave that here...

[lovethemac1]

^ This. She's 70 years old and was having a lovely time on her solo tour. If she had any desire to contribute to BuckVie (and thereby have it be a Mac record), she had plenty of opportunity to do so. I've read her quotes on the making of Say You Will (her feelings on the experience seemed to get progressively worse as time passed); I think she's decided she's not spending one more minute of the time she's got left in a studio with Lindsey. (Not trying to cast blame on either side for WHY she doesn't want to...just objectively stating that it's been pretty apparent that it is something she has no desire to do).

Then she needs to go do her solo thing and leave the band, not fire someone else......unless of course she want to look like a moron, which she does.

[JohnL]

You’re joking right? He was the one whowas fired not her. I know it’s hard for you to see it but she has become an insufferable POS

In my opinion he has been that since day one. Why can’t you see that?

[The Chain]

just wants attention attention attention.

:lol: oh my. Yes, it's Lindsey who wants attention attention attention. Who turns every interview, story, anecdote about anything, however unrelated/inappropriate, into a me-me-me fest:rolleyes: Not Stevie. Lindsey who has strayed from his artistic integrity to try and stay on top, several times throughout his career, who's still chasing an unreasonable level of chart-success for a 70 year old in today's radio climate, and uses the improbability of said success to just not create at all. Not Stevie. I gotta try wearing those Nicks-colored lenses sometime, must be nice!

[Buster]

The problem in all of this is so many people rush to take opinions and comments as fact. Social media makes it worse. People can’t take time to wait for facts and the entire story to come out. It’s like a compulsion.

Anyone who thinks the full story is Stevie kicked out Lindsey because of a smirk and the intro song is smoking some seriously crazy stuff.

The real POS (plural) are those who make rash judgements without facts, evidence, and critical thinking.

[MaryLiz2]

then SHE should leave the band. Go do you time on solo tours and solo albums if that's what makes you happy. Why rip apart the band when YOU are the ONE who is unhappy???


Cuz she didn't want to? Because the rest of the band likes her better? Or they like money better? Or Irving Azoff likes this idea better? Who the heck knows?

It doesn't have to be fair or make sense, life isn't and doesn't. The band clearly opted for Stevie (if an ultimatum is what it came down to). They're a bunch of millionaire septuagenarians that can do whatever they want. And apparently what they wanted to do was go on a tour as Fleetwood Mac with Stevie Nicks and two other dudes instead of Lindsey. :shrug:

[MaryLiz2]

Anyone who thinks the full story is Stevie kicked out Lindsey because of a smirk and the intro song is smoking some seriously crazy stuff.


But, but...I saw it on the twitter so it must be true. ;)

I took a break from this place because the Ledge had become as toxic as Lindsey and Stevie's relationship, but popped back in to see what's up now that the tour is on. I thought it might have calmed down some...nope.

[bwboy]

The problem in all of this is so many people rush to take opinions and comments as fact. Social media makes it worse. People can’t take time to wait for facts and the entire story to come out. It’s like a compulsion.

Anyone who thinks the full story is Stevie kicked out Lindsey because of a smirk and the intro song is smoking some seriously crazy stuff.

The real POS (plural) are those who make rash judgements without facts, evidence, and critical thinking.

Preach! Reading the theories posted on this board runs the gamut between somewhat amusing and downright insane. None of know anything but you sure wouldn't know that by reading these threads.

Plus, I don't feel sorry for any of them, not Lindsey, not Stevie, not Christine, not Mick, and not John. Neil and Mike, actually I do feel a modicum of sympathy for, but not the others. Can you imagine making $14 million dollars for a 60 city tour? Give me a break! Of course, I'm contributing to their swelled bank accounts by seeing both FM and Lindsey LOL but I don't care one bit about the outcome of this lawsuit.

[AliceLover]

The most telling piece of evidence of this whole thing is the press the tour. Stevie did not do ONE interview for this tour, other than the guest TV spots. I honestly can't remember the last time this has ever happened. THEY ALWAYS DO PRESS BEFORE A TOUR. No matter what. There are always interviews.

This time, not a single one. Makes you think. What doesn't she want to talk about?

[bombaysaffires]

The most telling piece of evidence of this whole thing is the press the tour. Stevie did not do ONE interview for this tour, other than the guest TV spots. I honestly can't remember the last time this has ever happened. THEY ALWAYS DO PRESS BEFORE A TOUR. No matter what. There are always interviews.

This time, not a single one. Makes you think. What doesn't she want to talk about?

seems clear now that she didn't want / or her lawyers didn't want her to say anything that might jeopardize the lawsuit. :distress: