LB speaks at meet and greet

[secondhandchain]

Lindsey confirms it “ was all Stevie’s doing” at his meet and greet.

[aleuzzi]

Lindsey confirms it “ was all Stevie’s doing” at his meet and greet.

We all knew this, but man is it sad to hear this confirmed.

[Storms123]

We all knew this, but man is it sad to hear this confirmed.

Mick’s next interview should be awesome. Looking forward to the spin doctoring they are going to do now.

[jkmaletic]

Of COURSE it was all Stevie's doing. She kicked him out for no reason whatsoever. It's so crazy! I heard from Cordelia, the current "Supreme", that Stevie used one of her White Witch spells to get Mick, John and Chris to go along with it. So crafty, that Stevie is. :rolleyes:

Jamie

[jbrownsjr]

According to Elle, who was present at the meet and greet. He just started talking about it on his own. She had asked him if he was ok.

I love that he's not trying to cover anything up.

[jbrownsjr]

We all knew this, but man is it sad to hear this confirmed.

I was beyond sad, then angry for a bit. I'm gonna guess he's going to be happier in the long run. He's free of that toxic cesspool.

[HomerMcvie]

I've been preaching to y'all for 15 years...

Now the proof is in the pudding.

I'd hate to say I told you so, but. I TOLD YOU SO! :p

[bwboy]

Of COURSE it was all Stevie's doing. She kicked him out for no reason whatsoever. It's so crazy! I heard from Cordelia, the current "Supreme", that Stevie used one of her White Witch spells to get Mick, John and Chris to go along with it. So crafty, that Stevie is. :rolleyes:

Jamie

:thumbsup: Will you be seeing either FM or Lindsey this tour?

[jkmaletic]

:thumbsup: Will you be seeing either FM or Lindsey this tour?

FM in San Diego.

[gldstwmn]

This is in the wrong forum.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this.

[gldstwmn]

This is in the wrong forum.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this. He was cornered at a meet and greet. What did he actually say?

[Macfan4life]

This is in the wrong forum.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this. He was cornered at a meet and greet. What did he actually say?
I agree with you on both points.
I was hoping something real from the meet and greet.
What question was asked and what did he say?
Why is this not in the Lindsey forum?

[Hawkeye]

I don’t think think this is in the wrong forum. It’s more discusssion into the what broke up the Rumours band. I find it incredibly annoying that anyone thinks this is earth shattering news or should bring on any “I Told You Sos” 90 percent of people here new this was primarily Stevie’s doing. We just don’t care :shrug: now if Lindsey has said at this meet and greet a specific into what made Stevie inititiate this, then we’d have some news.

But regardless of all that, i would think it’s ok in this forum.

[StevieandChris]

😂 LOL:xoxo:

[KenshiMaster16]

I imagine some people won't want to accept the reality of this. Why? Because it's hard accepting faults in your idols. I should know, I worshiped at the foot of Nicks (and the Mac) for years. There will be definite cross blame for years to come in this fandom. "It was Stevie's doing, she ruined everything." "Lindsey deserved it for all the crap she had to put up with over the years." "He should have just accepted the bands terms." "Stevie should have just gotten on with the show and dealt with it or left if there was that big a problem."

If you ask me, I think both played a part. Clearly, I'm sure, Lindsey prefers his own material to that of someone else's (rightly so) and probably didn't want to litter the set with pre-75 stuff (stuff more than likely that would be replacing his songs and not Chris or Stevie's), and Stevie likely put her foot down about the bickering and his controlling nature which I'm sure exists in some fashion and probably gave the ultimatum that likely occurred ("I can't take it anymore, it's him or me"). As much as they elevate each other musically, they tear each other down emotionally.

[StevieandChris]

I imagine some people won't want to accept the reality of this. Why? Because it's hard accepting faults in your idols. I should know, I worshiped at the foot of Nicks (and the Mac) for years. There will be definite cross blame for years to come in this fandom. "It was Stevie's doing, she ruined everything." "Lindsey deserved it for all the crap she had to put up with over the years." "He should have just accepted the bands terms." "Stevie should have just gotten on with the show and dealt with it or left if there was that big a problem."

If you ask me, I think both played a part. Clearly, I'm sure, Lindsey prefers his own material to that of someone else's (rightly so) and probably didn't want to litter the set with pre-75 stuff (stuff more than likely that would be replacing his songs and not Chris or Stevie's), and Stevie likely put her foot down about the bickering and his controlling nature which I'm sure exists in some fashion and probably gave the ultimatum that likely occurred ("I can't take it anymore, it's him or me"). As much as they elevate each other musically, they tear each other down emotionally.

Exactly. He played a role in his ouster too. You don’t get fired after 40 years for “nothing.” Even if fans (who were not there) disagree about what the “something” was, disagree with the band’s actions, or disagree about the statement the band released about “the something.”

[lennonfan]

I'm seeing reports Mac is a slow sell...lots of tix at many venues...

[Nicks Fan]

Exactly. He played a role in his ouster too. You don’t get fired after 40 years for “nothing.” Even if fans (who were not there) disagree about what the “something” was, disagree with the band’s actions, or disagree about the statement the band released about “the something.”


All they said was "He wouldn't tour". It was refuted yet people don't want to believe that.

[KenshiMaster16]

He clearly did something to piss them off for it to get to the point of firing. However, Stevie obviously pulled the final trigger instead of working it out or compromising.

[StevieandChris]

All they said was "He wouldn't tour". It was refuted yet people don't want to believe that.

Because it was not truly refuted by Lindsey or the band. Only third-party people and fans who use that video with fans. If he was fired with absolutely no reason I think he would have been more outspoken more quickly. I think something larger happened to bring it to this point. Which is why he was silent for so long and why the rest of them gave that lame reason, probably both for legal reasons. Who knows.

[secondhandchain]

This is so not in the wrong forum. this is about a member of the Rumors five that got fired. If you can post about the new band here you can certainly post about Lindsey As it pertains to the rumors five. This wasn’t about his solo work.

[Feather Blade]

I'm seeing reports Mac is a slow sell...lots of tix at many venues...

Ehh, I wouldn't worry too much about it. People who attended the first two shows said they had filled in nicely by showtime.

[Macfan4life]

This is so not in the wrong forum. this is about a member of the Rumors five that got fired. If you can post about the new band here you can certainly post about Lindsey As it pertains to the rumors five. This wasn’t about his solo work.
Incorrect
Its about a meet and greet at a Lindsey solo concert.
His career is POST Fleetwood Mac no matter how hard you try to hold on to the past.
This thread has 23 posts and still nothing specific WHAT Lindsey was asked and WHAT was his response. The entire thread started "It was all Stevie"

[dreamsunwind]

I think it's pretty obvious that he wanted to do his joint tour, they didn't want to let him and so Stevie took the opportunity and ran with it. I was convinced that's what happened when we first found out about this and with all the little things that have come out since then, it couldn't be clearer.

[secondhandchain]

Incorrect
Its about a meet and greet at a Lindsey solo concert.
His career is POST Fleetwood Mac no matter how hard you try to hold on to the past.
This thread has 23 posts and still nothing specific WHAT Lindsey was asked and WHAT was his response. The entire thread started "It was all Stevie"

WRONG This thread is about why Lindsey was fired from the rumours five, get it now? I am not talking about his solo career I am talking about his career with Fleetwood Mac and why it no longer exists because of a certain tambourine witch.

[Macfan4life]

WRONG This thread is about why Lindsey was fired from the rumours five, get it now? I am not talking about his solo career I am talking about his career with Fleetwood Mac and why it no longer exists because of a certain tambourine witch.
You should have titled the thread "Why Lindsey was fired"
You titled it "Lindsey speaks at Meet and Greet" That is a solo tour meet and greet POST Fleetwood Mac.
But enough of that. Still no one has posted anything Lindsey was asked and what he said. This is just a rehash of emotions why Lindsey was fired.

[HomerMcvie]

You should have titled the thread "Why Lindsey was fired"
You titled it "Lindsey speaks at Meet and Greet" That is a solo tour meet and greet POST Fleetwood Mac.
But enough of that. Still no one has posted anything Lindsey was asked and what he said. This is just a rehash of emotions why Lindsey was fired.
So you're saying that we followers of Fleetwood Mac enjoy drama?

That's a tough cookie to swallow!

[MikeInNV]

You should have titled the thread "Why Lindsey was fired"
You titled it "Lindsey speaks at Meet and Greet" That is a solo tour meet and greet POST Fleetwood Mac.
But enough of that. Still no one has posted anything Lindsey was asked and what he said. This is just a rehash of emotions why Lindsey was fired.

Of course that really wouldn't have worked either since there is no explanation of why. ;)

[gldstwmn]

This doesn't belong in this forum.

[gldstwmn]

Of COURSE it was all Stevie's doing. She kicked him out for no reason whatsoever. It's so crazy! I heard from Cordelia, the current "Supreme", that Stevie used one of her White Witch spells to get Mick, John and Chris to go along with it. So crafty, that Stevie is. :rolleyes:

Jamie

:] :laugh: :thumbsup:

[KenshiMaster16]

You should have titled the thread "Why Lindsey was fired"
You titled it "Lindsey speaks at Meet and Greet" That is a solo tour meet and greet POST Fleetwood Mac.
But enough of that. Still no one has posted anything Lindsey was asked and what he said. This is just a rehash of emotions why Lindsey was fired.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lindsey said to me at m&amp;g &quot;you know it was all Stevie?&quot; <br><br>i said, as long as you are ok. he said &quot;i'm ok&quot; and he meant it. 💗<br><br>it was amazing fast-paced rocking show! 🎸🎤✨<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LindseyBuckingham?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LindseyBuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FleetwoodMac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FleetwoodMac</a>-less <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/openingnight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#openingnight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bestof?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bestof</a></p>&mdash; elle (@ellellew) <a href="https://twitter.com/ellellew/status/1049195431408746496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[bwboy]

Could someone at the next Meet and Greet PLEASE ask Lindsey to consider putting Countdown on his set list?

[gldstwmn]

I agree with you on both points.
I was hoping something real from the meet and greet.
What question was asked and what did he say?
Why is this not in the Lindsey forum?

That's the thing. No one's quoted him. There's no context. This is the same man who just a few years ago said he "doesn't remember" kicking Stevie on stage in New Zealand. Shady. Id have to hear him say it at this point. We'll see if he actually goes on Howard Stern. You know they've been blowing up his phone.

[gldstwmn]

According to Elle, who was present at the meet and greet. He just started talking about it on his own. She had asked him if he was ok.

I love that he's not trying to cover anything up.

This thread is in the wrong forum.

[gldstwmn]

I imagine some people won't want to accept the reality of this. Why? Because it's hard accepting faults in your idols. I should know, I worshiped at the foot of Nicks (and the Mac) for years. There will be definite cross blame for years to come in this fandom. "It was Stevie's doing, she ruined everything." "Lindsey deserved it for all the crap she had to put up with over the years." "He should have just accepted the bands terms." "Stevie should have just gotten on with the show and dealt with it or left if there was that big a problem."

If you ask me, I think both played a part. Clearly, I'm sure, Lindsey prefers his own material to that of someone else's (rightly so) and probably didn't want to litter the set with pre-75 stuff (stuff more than likely that would be replacing his songs and not Chris or Stevie's), and Stevie likely put her foot down about the bickering and his controlling nature which I'm sure exists in some fashion and probably gave the ultimatum that likely occurred ("I can't take it anymore, it's him or me"). As much as they elevate each other musically, they tear each other down emotionally.

I'll believe it when I hear him say it.

[bombaysaffires]

This thread is in the wrong forum.

I'll believe it when I hear him say it.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:

Someone posts that they firsthand talked to LB face to face (elle) and he said it was Stevie, and you b*tch the comment is in the wrong place, then say you won't believe anything until you hear LB say it.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

He clearly did something to piss them off for it to get to the point of firing. However, Stevie obviously pulled the final trigger instead of working it out or compromising.

Should she compromise? It seems to me Stevie has done an swful lot of compromising over the last 40 years. LB not so much. There comes a point...

[bombaysaffires]

Should she compromise? It seems to me Stevie has done an swful lot of compromising over the last 40 years. LB not so much. There comes a point...

and you know this how...? Were you there???

Until I hear it straight from Stevie, I just won't believe it. :distress:

[KenshiMaster16]

Should she compromise? It seems to me Stevie has done an swful lot of compromising over the last 40 years. LB not so much. There comes a point...

In a band setting, I think its only fair every body compromise to make things work and balance. If the scales are uneven, nobody really wins.

[button-lip]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:

Someone posts that they firsthand talked to LB face to face (elle) and he said it was Stevie, and you b*tch the comment is in the wrong place, then say you won't believe anything until you hear LB say it.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. :shrug:

Actually, it was the first and only person he mentioned, as far as I could listen. We heard 'Stevie' and we all started looking at each other, because he was finally talking. Then we kept quiet just to hear the rest. How she didn't think about FM legacy.

Lots of denial around this thread. :rolleyes:

[secondhandchain]

This thread is in the wrong forum.

This is in no way in the wrong forum You might want to take a look at all the threads in this forum about the post rumors lineup why are they here??? I started this thread specifically about a topic relating to the rumors lineup this has nothing to do with what he played at his solo show got it?

[Macfan4life]

Actually, it was the first and only person he mentioned, as far as I could listen. We heard 'Stevie' and we all started looking at each other, because he was finally talking. Then we kept quiet just to hear the rest. How she didn't think about FM legacy.

Lots of denial around this thread. :rolleyes:
No, there are no denials on the board just vague references. I agree 100% that Stevie fired Lindsey. I said it right away even before most people on this board said so. What is frustrating is this thread. Your post is even more vague. We don't know any context what was said. What exactly was asked to Lindsey? What was his response?
I know Stevie fired Lindsey. But the phrase "it was all Stevie" did not come from Lindsey's mouth. People want to make claims they cant back up. I will meet Lindsey and ask direct questions instead of this vague crap. "We all heard Stevie" LMAO What is the context of hearing one word. Its like pulling teeth on this thread. 42 posts and still no answers WHAT was asked and WHAT Lindsey said.

[gldstwmn]

This thread is about Lindsey said something to someone at his solo show meet and greet. It's just another big game of telephone, doesn't belong in this forum and by being here is just a premise to throw more digs at Stevie. Boo.

[gldstwmn]

In a band setting, I think its only fair every body compromise to make things work and balance. If the scales are uneven, nobody really wins.

Agreed. It didnt happen on the part of 5 people and now here we are.

[gldstwmn]

We all knew this, but man is it sad to hear this confirmed.

Who confirmed it? :confused:

[gldstwmn]

Mick’s next interview should be awesome. Looking forward to the spin doctoring they are going to do now.

Howard Stern should be even better. So good in fact I bet it doesn't happen.

[gldstwmn]

According to Elle, who was present at the meet and greet. He just started talking about it on his own. She had asked him if he was ok.

I love that he's not trying to cover anything up.

This is the same guy who just a few years ago said he didn't remember/never happened kicking Stevie in New Zealand.

[gldstwmn]

I'm seeing reports Mac is a slow sell...lots of tix at many venues...

I think you wandered into the wrong thread. Oops. By and large the shows are selling fine.

[ryan4136]

At the end of the season
We will rise from this treason

[dreamsunwind]

Should she compromise? It seems to me Stevie has done an swful lot of compromising over the last 40 years. LB not so much. There comes a point...

Girl....no she hasn't lol. Stevie has been basically running the show since 1997 and you'd have to be crazy to deny that. She's had her wishes and needs accommodated to in a way that hasn't for the other members in a long time.

[gldstwmn]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lindsey said to me at m&amp;g &quot;you know it was all Stevie?&quot; <br><br>i said, as long as you are ok. he said &quot;i'm ok&quot; and he meant it. 💗<br><br>it was amazing fast-paced rocking show! 🎸🎤✨<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LindseyBuckingham?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LindseyBuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FleetwoodMac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FleetwoodMac</a>-less <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/openingnight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#openingnight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bestof?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bestof</a></p>&mdash; elle (@ellellew) <a href="https://twitter.com/ellellew/status/1049195431408746496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is what we're hanging a conclusion on? Whew. There's an awful lot of room in that statement.

[lovethemac1]

This is what we're hanging a conclusion on? Whew. There's an awful lot of room in that statement.

You feel this isn't valid? You are so sure it's not the case, yet you have no proof either for what you are saying. I don't see you providing any other evidence of your point of view. :xoxo:

[gldstwmn]

At the end of the season
We will rise from this treason

That's the smoking gun? It's not even probable cause. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

You are so sure it's not the case, yet you have no proof either. I don't see you providing any other evidence of your point of view. :xoxo:
I don't know what the case is. I don't know I don't know I don't know... How many times I gotta say it? If it doesn't fit you must acquit. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Girl....no she hasn't lol. Stevie has been basically running the show since 1997 and you'd have to be crazy to deny that. She's had her wishes and needs accommodated to in a way that hasn't for the other members in a long time.

We have opined. They are not facts. :sorry:

[SteveMacD]

We have opined. They are not facts. :sorry:

To be fair, they laid down the law with Christine that she had to go on tour and then that she couldn’t leave again. They didn’t do that with Stevie for LBCM.

It’s about the money. We get it.

But, it’s also not like there wasn’t enough acrimony between them that one couldn’t have crossed the line with the other. We simply don’t know.

That said, as a fan, they’re doing some great stuff and he’s doing some great stuff. What more could we really ask for?

[gldstwmn]

To be fair, they laid down the law with Christine that she had to go on tour and then that she couldn’t leave again. They didn’t do that with Stevie for LBCM.

It’s about the money. We get it.

But, it’s also not like there wasn’t enough acrimony between them that one couldn’t have crossed the line with the other. We simply don’t know.

That said, as a fan, they’re doing some great stuff and he’s doing some great stuff. What more could we really ask for?

Blood apparently... :lol:

[David]

What more could we really ask for? They should have done a much better job with the Bella Donna, Wild Heart, Mirage and Tango deluxe projects. What's with practically an entire CD used for those stupid 1987 dance remixes, when a dozen or so unreleased and alternative recordings could have taken their spot? What's with the 1982 HBO concert not even being remastered, let alone expanded to include the other performances? What's with no 1983 live stuff AT ALL, not even the three Oakland cuts from the radio? Shoddy, buddy, shoddy.

Only the Tusk, Rumours, and white album releases are really up to snuff, bucko. The live stuff was done right, and the studio stuff was done mostly right. I gotta let this rage out. :sorry:

[gldstwmn]

Fleetwood Mac are fighting again. Rock-star fur is flying. But this is no ordinary argument.

For one thing, the contretemps is being conducted in three different countries.

Stevie Nicks fights her corner from an elegant apartment in Paris, Lindsey Buckingham boxes clever in his Californian study and Christine McVie counterpunches from her riverside penthouse in London.

Founder band members Mick Fleetwood and John McVie are keeping out of it. Fleetwood is licking his wounds after his fourth divorce and McVie is in hospital engaged in a more serious battle, with cancer.

The disagreement, believe it or not, concerns one of Fleetwood Mac’s few physical altercations.

After 45 years of soft rock’s favourite soap opera, it’s astonishing that the players haven’t come to blows more often.

‘I was dancing on stage,’ begins Nicks, now 65, in the salon of her rented Parisian pied-à-terre.

‘It was the Tusk tour, 1980, Auckland, New Zealand. I was doing my thing with my shawl and Lindsey pulled his jacket up over his head and started mimicking me, behind my back.

'I thought, “Well, that’s not working for me.” But I didn’t do anything. This must have infuriated him, because he came over and kicked me.

'And I’d never had anyone be physical with me in my life. Then he picked up a black Les Paul guitar and he just frisbee’d it at me. He missed, I ducked – but he could have killed me.’

Is it true that during their private-jet-and-pink-hotel-suite years, Fleetwood Mac would take cocaine while they were performing on stage? 'Absolutely,' said Stevie Nicks .

‘I’m not sure that happened,’ Buckingham, 64, states flatly at his gated LA estate.

‘Oh, it happened, all right,’ asserts Christine McVie, 70, drinking in a glorious view of the Thames.

‘I threw a glass of wine in his face.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2529544/Fleetwood-Mac-You-make-fighting-fun-OK-Lindsey-Buckingham-admits-I-did-kick-Stevie-Nicks-Fleetwood-Mac-settling-old-scores.html

[BombaySapphire3]

That said, as a fan, they’re doing some great stuff and he’s doing some great stuff. What more could we really ask for?

Great stuff:shrug: Fleetwood Mac have not and likely will not record a note of new music. If their rendition of "Ive Got You " is "great" then one man's trash is another man's treasure I guess. IMHO that performance is Stevie's most absurdly Norma Desmondish moment since her Bon Jovi and Poison covers on Timespace. At least then she had the alibi of being zonked out of her gord on klonopin.

[David]

'And I’d never had anyone be physical with me in my life. Then he picked up a black Les Paul guitar and he just frisbee’d it at me. He missed, I ducked – but he could have killed me.’Lindsey didn't use a Les Paul in Auckland 1980.

‘I’m not sure that happened,’ Buckingham, 64, states flatly at his gated LA estate. Lindsey is prevaricating. Something like it happened. However, the first any of us ever heard of it was in Mick's 1990 book. I recommend everybody pull that book off the shelf and read that section.

Mick also talked about it in 1990 on the Graham Nash show with Billy Burnette and Sharon Celani. He specifically avoided the word "kicked" and instead used the word "flicked." The book does, too. I know this sounds silly, but the act, which no one in Fleetwood Mac mentioned until ten years after it happened, has been reframed since then as an act of violence. It's been made to sound more physical than Mick said it was. I just had to get that off my chest.

[WatchChain]

Great stuff:shrug: Fleetwood Mac have not and likely will not record a note of new music. If their rendition of "Ive Got You " is "great" then one man's trash is another man's treasure I guess. IMHO that performance is Stevie's most absurdly Norma Desmondish moment since her Bon Jovi and Poison covers on Timespace. At least then she had the alibi of being zonked out of her gord on klonopin.

Perfectly stated. Norma Desmond: "There's nothing else. Just us, and the cameras, and those wonderful people out there in the dark. All right, Mr. De Mille, I'm ready for my closeup."

[button-lip]

No, there are no denials on the board just vague references. I agree 100% that Stevie fired Lindsey. I said it right away even before most people on this board said so. What is frustrating is this thread. Your post is even more vague. We don't know any context what was said. What exactly was asked to Lindsey? What was his response?
I know Stevie fired Lindsey. But the phrase "it was all Stevie" did not come from Lindsey's mouth. People want to make claims they cant back up. I will meet Lindsey and ask direct questions instead of this vague crap. "We all heard Stevie" LMAO What is the context of hearing one word. Its like pulling teeth on this thread. 42 posts and still no answers WHAT was asked and WHAT Lindsey said.

I’m not sure I’m following you and I don’t know what’s so funny about what WE heard. Lindsey said: “it was all Stevie”. Obviously the question was: “what happened?” I don’t think you can do a more obvious question.

What vague crap? At least 3 people who usually post here were there yesterday. But hey, if you have a less crappy question and you want to waste your minute with Lindsey asking about FM instead of thanking him for a great show and you also think he’s gonna tell you the whole story after meeting you for the first time, then do it. I’ll be here waiting for it. :woohoo:

[gldstwmn]

Lindsey didn't use a Les Paul in Auckland 1980.


Well ya since according to him it never happened. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Only the Tusk, Rumours, and white album releases are really up to snuff, bucko. The live stuff was done right, and the studio stuff was done mostly right. I gotta let this rage out. :sorry:

There, there…I feel your pain on that.

[BigAl84]

I think you wandered into the wrong thread. Oops. By and large the shows are selling fine.

By and large that is the biggest load of crap I've read in a while. Really? So those TM seating charts are an alternate reality? Please explain, I'm on the edge of my seat over here.

[gldstwmn]

I’m not sure I’m following you and I don’t know what’s so funny about what WE heard. Lindsey said: “it was all Stevie”.

Her own transcript phrases it as a question. "It was all Stevie?" So which is it?
Statement or question?

[BigAl84]

This is what we're hanging a conclusion on? Whew. There's an awful lot of room in that statement.

Less room than your proclamation that Lindsey never had to compromise...I don't care if you are a Lindsey or a Stevie fan, anyone can see how bonkers that statement is. Have you been hacked by sugar mouse?

[SteveMacD]

Great stuff:shrug:
Yes. Black Magic Woman, Tell Me…, Hypnotized, All Over Again, DDIO, etc.

It’s the kind of change I’ve been bitching about now for a few decades.

Fleetwood Mac have not and likely will not record a note of new music.
To be determined. It’s more likely now than this time last year.

And, whatever about Stevie. Christine’s solo on Black Magic Woman made me smile. TMATTYD and Hypnotized seem to be highlights, too. And, DDIO is still one of the best pop songs ever. Stevie isn’t why I want to see this, or any, Fleetwood Mac show.

[secondhandchain]

By and large that is the biggest load of crap I've read in a while. Really? So those TM seating charts are an alternate reality? Please explain, I'm on the edge of my seat over here.

LOL I just went on Tickemaster and checked the shows that are just a few days aways. SO MANY TICKETS LEFT!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[DownOnRodeo]

Her own transcript phrases it as a question. "It was all Stevie?" So which is it?
Statement or question?

<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/wPj22ziXKZmxi" width="480" height="268" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/side-eye-wPj22ziXKZmxi">via GIPHY</a></p>

[Angel75]

But the phrase "it was all Stevie" did not come from Lindsey's mouth. People want to make claims they cant back up. I will meet Lindsey and ask direct questions instead of this vague crap. "We all heard Stevie" LMAO What is the context of hearing one word. Its like pulling teeth on this thread. 42 posts and still no answers WHAT was asked and WHAT Lindsey said.

I'm sorry, were you in the room so can say with complete confidence that this was NOT said....? Oh please

Elle has said publicly on other social media accounts that she didn't ask him anything, but because he knows her he just started talking....sorry but those exact words were said and several others at the meet and greet also heard him say this.

To allude that this is fabricated is beyond insulting to Elle when her only motivation is to share LBs exact words to Ledge members

This isn't difficult to understand or interrupt so this should answer your ignorant questions fully

[jbrownsjr]

This is the same guy who just a few years ago said he didn't remember/never happened kicking Stevie in New Zealand.

Considering how much scotch he had, I don't doubt he doesn't remember.

[Macfan4life]

Just wow.
I love Elle and no one is questioning her integrity. Nice try to pivot to members calling other's integrity into account. Now slightly more information comes out that no one asked him any questions. Ok that is good to know. When someone starts a thread "it was all Stevie" implies those were Lindsey's exact words. Before other members immediately start with posting threads its fair to ask what is the context? No specifics just people saying they heard Stevie's name pop up. If you post something its fair to ask questions. Were we to believe that Lindsey asked about his firing and his response was "it was all Stevie." We all know Lindsey speaks in technical terms and always leaves hints to his explanations.

I don't need proof that Stevie was majorly the reason Lindsey was fired. However, its fair to get fair explanations of what Lindsey said. That's not being rude or arrogant. Curious minds want to know what he said. But so far all we know is Stevie's name came up. How? In what context? How did he relate his firing to Stevie?

If you post something its completely fair to ask for an explanation. That's all. 74 posts later, I have not read anything about the meet and greet what questions were asked, how firing came up, and how Stevie was involved. Just "it was all Stevie" Don't ask any questions. How dare you question anyone with arrogance. Huh?

[michelej1]

Mick also talked about it in 1990 on the Graham Nash show with Billy Burnette and Sharon Celani. He specifically avoided the word "kicked" and instead used the word "flicked." The book does, too. I know this sounds silly, but the act, which no one in Fleetwood Mac mentioned until ten years after it happened, has been reframed since then as an act of violence. It's been made to sound more physical than Mick said it was. I just had to get that off my chest.

And when Stevie first mentioned it, she did not say that he kicked her either. She said he did something to her. My impression was that he was behind her and she knew that he was doing something unwanted, but she couldn’t see him and couldn’t say. She did not feel a kick or she would have described it as such when she first told the story. He might have been catching at the hem of her dress, flicking his foot, something disruptive certainly, not violent.

She knows how to describe violence when she wants to, “Remember when you threw that Les Paul at me?”

[gldstwmn]

Considering how much scotch he had, I don't doubt he doesn't remember.

It definitely occurred to me that he could have been blacked out. But then he should have said he didn't remember, not deny that it ever happened. That's still shady AF and quite possibly a hold over of old behavioral patterns conscious or unconscious.

[gldstwmn]

Great stuff:shrug: Fleetwood Mac have not and likely will not record a note of new music. If their rendition of "Ive Got You " is "great" then one man's trash is another man's treasure I guess. IMHO that performance is Stevie's most absurdly Norma Desmondish moment since her Bon Jovi and Poison covers on Timespace. At least then she had the alibi of being zonked out of her gord on klonopin.

Apparently it works for some:

Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard Nominated for Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/arts/music/rock-hall-of-fame-2019-nominees.html

[gldstwmn]

Just wow.
I love Elle and no one is questioning her integrity. Nice try to pivot to members calling other's integrity into account.

Exactly. No one is assailing the source. There's a lack of context and I'm still flummoxed over "It was all Stevie?" Why did he phrase it as a question? :confused: Weird.

[The Chain]

Exactly. No one is assailing the source. There's a lack of context and I'm still flummoxed over "It was all Stevie?" Why did he phrase it as a question? :confused: Weird.

Funny how you keep leaving out the full quote "YOU KNOW it was all Stevie?":rolleyes: as in, he's surprised that people already know/are assuming.

[jbrownsjr]

Funny how you keep leaving out the full quote "YOU KNOW it was all Stevie?":rolleyes: as in, he's surprised that people already know/are assuming.

That's the quote as I read it on the LB Savage page on FB.

The premise is as follows:

Elle didn't bring it up and asked if he was ok. However, because they know each other, and as she was about to walk away, he said, "You know it was all Stevie?"

Before that, he had asked her if she left DC to move to Portland. Which tells me they know each other rather well.

This does not say he is blameless. It does tell us the main characters and quite supports the "Him or Me" theory.

[gldstwmn]

By and large that is the biggest load of crap I've read in a while. Really? So those TM seating charts are an alternate reality? Please explain, I'm on the edge of my seat over here.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gl_WQPfmIzM" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[FuzzyPlum]

I know comments on ticket sales are not for this thread or even this forum but...
...from what I can tell, each of the venues over the next couple of weeks have only sold 70% to 80% of tickets. That's not bad in general, but in Fleetwood Mac terms that's pretty awful. Anecdotally I'd suggest on recent tours these venues would have been either sold out or almost sold out by now. That said, some of the later dates in November and December seem to have sold much better. Something else of note is the tickets that are still available. There are considerable numbers of floor tickets and lower tier tickets. That suggests people are still going but are far happier to just take the cheapo seats.

[bwboy]

Question: "Lindsey, who wrote Crystal?"

Lindsey: "It was all Stevie."

Question: "Lindsey, who recorded Bella Donna?"

Lindsey: "It was all Stevie."

Question: "Lindsey, who cleaned the apartment when you two lived together?"

Lindsey: lt was all Stevie."

Question: "Lindsey, why did you leave FM in 1987?"

Lindsey: "It was all Stevie."

I'm just having a little fun with this thread :blob2:

[jbrownsjr]

Question: "Lindsey, who wrote Crystal?"

Lindsey: "It was all Stevie."

Question: "Lindsey, who recorded Bella Donna?"

Lindsey: "It was all Stevie."

Question: "Lindsey, who cleaned the apartment when you two lived together?"

Lindsey: lt was all Stevie."

Question: "Lindsey, why did you leave FM in 1987?"

Lindsey: "It was all Stevie."

I'm just having a little fun with this thread :blob2:

:blob1::blob1: You had fun!!! You made me laugh.. Marking down in my journal. BWBOY made the journal!

[gldstwmn]

I know comments on ticket sales are not for this thread or even this forum but...
...from what I can tell, each of the venues over the next couple of weeks have only sold 70% to 80% of tickets. That's not bad in general, but in Fleetwood Mac terms that's pretty awful. Anecdotally I'd suggest on recent tours these venues would have been either sold out or almost sold out by now. That said, some of the later dates in November and December seem to have sold much better. Something else of note is the tickets that are still available. There are considerable numbers of floor tickets and lower tier tickets. That suggests people are still going but are far happier to just take the cheapo seats.

Another review that I posted in the correct forum states that there is a heavy walk up for these shows. They're doing fine. ;)

[jbrownsjr]

Another review that I posted in the correct forum states that there is a heavy walk up for these shows. They're doing fine. ;)

I'm worried about them not getting enough $$$$. :laugh:

[secondhandchain]

Another review that I posted in the correct forum states that there is a heavy walk up for these shows. They're doing fine. ;)

I know you are a huge fan of Stevie so matter what went down you would defend her. I was a huge fan but thank God I have been able to see the light and see what she really is....and it ain't good.

[gldstwmn]

I'm worried about them not getting enough $$$$. :laugh:

There are houses to build, jets to fly, boats to sail... These are all very expensive things. :lol: :woohoo: :cool:

[Angel75]

I know you are a huge fan of Stevie so matter what went down you would defend her. I was a huge fan but thank God I have been able to see the light and see what she really is....and it ain't good.

T H I S

It's about being fair, objective and looking at the evidence as we know it.
It's pretty clear to see right from wrong as the situation stands and who betrayed who. The key part being there are so many staunch SN fans who no longer worship her after her bevaiour this year....

[Buster]

So Lindsey says it was all Stevie but doesn’t say what the reasons were or why she wanted him fired, but some in this thread take that as solid proof that she fired him for no reason. Okay....

This doesn’t really need to be said but people who were fired generally don’t give a lot of details about what they did to contribute to the firing and generally they blame someone else. So this interaction with Lindsey, while interesting, tells us nothing.

[AncientQueen]

I know comments on ticket sales are not for this thread or even this forum but...
...from what I can tell, each of the venues over the next couple of weeks have only sold 70% to 80% of tickets. That's not bad in general, but in Fleetwood Mac terms that's pretty awful. Anecdotally I'd suggest on recent tours these venues would have been either sold out or almost sold out by now. That said, some of the later dates in November and December seem to have sold much better. Something else of note is the tickets that are still available. There are considerable numbers of floor tickets and lower tier tickets. That suggests people are still going but are far happier to just take the cheapo seats.I think that people were waiting 'til the tour started to get some word of mouth and reviews. Now that it seems clear that the band can continue without Lindsey, even pulls out some deep cuts, so that people attending are happy with the concerts - they will sell out the later shows more likely.

[FuzzyPlum]

There are houses to build, jets to fly, boats to sail... These are all very expensive things. :lol: :woohoo: :cool:

...and they really do like to fly in jets so I hear.

[gldstwmn]

I know you are a huge fan of Stevie so matter what went down you would defend her. I was a huge fan but thank God I have been able to see the light and see what she really is....and it ain't good.

Initially some of the shows weren't selling well. Now they are. I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry this isn't working out the way you wanted it to. :shrug: :sorry:

[gldstwmn]

Funny how you keep leaving out the full quote "YOU KNOW it was all Stevie?":rolleyes: as in, he's surprised that people already know/are assuming.

Person: Lindsey was it all Stevie?
Lindsey: It was all Stevie?

:shrug: :confused: :lol: :cool:

Person: Did Nikki Haley resign this morning?
Lindsey: It was all Stevie?

Person: Is Hurricane Michael going to hit the Florida Panhandle as a Cat 3 hurricane?
Lindsey: It was all Stevie?

I'm beginning to wonder if rumours of a hearing issue are true. :eek:

[gldstwmn]

T H I S

It's about being fair, objective and looking at the evidence as we know it.
It's pretty clear to see right from wrong as the situation stands and who betrayed who. The key part being there are so many staunch SN fans who no longer worship her after her bevaiour this year....

Sweetie there is nothing objective in Secondhandchain's posts. :lol: :sorry: Look at the avatar. There's a definite opinion.

[gldstwmn]

...and they really do like to fly in jets so I hear.

Yes all of them do including Lindsey. What's your point?

[jmn3]

Exactly. No one is assailing the source. There's a lack of context and I'm still flummoxed over "It was all Stevie?" Why did he phrase it as a question? :confused: Weird.

Seriously, why do you keep leaving off, as has been repeatedly mentioned, the full quote? I mean, you could rearrange the words to be "It was all Stevie, you know" and remove the question mark and it has the same meaning.

[sodascouts]

Seriously, why do you keep leaving off, as has been repeatedly mentioned, the full quote? I mean, you could rearrange the words to be "It was all Stevie, you know" and remove the question mark and it has the same meaning.

I'm surprised gldstwmn is doing this as well. It obviously alters the meaning to leave off those words. It's intellectually dishonest and it's beneath her.

If the quote doesn't support your argument... change your argument. Don't change the quote.

[gldstwmn]

Seriously, why do you keep leaving off, as has been repeatedly mentioned, the full quote? I mean, you could rearrange the words to be "It was all Stevie, you know" and remove the question mark and it has the same meaning.

No it doesn't. One is a statement and the other is a question. There is no context. I guess I don't understand why you can't see that. The quote I saw was from the person's social media saying "It's all Stevie?" Please show me if I am wrong. It's posted in this thread.

[gldstwmn]

I'm surprised gldstwmn is doing this as well. It obviously alters the meaning to leave off those words. It's intellectually dishonest and it's beneath her.

If the quote doesn't support your argument... change your argument. Don't change the quote.

I didn't change the quote. It's in this thread. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Here it is:
<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/l2JIk0sWj9sUvbvCU" width="480" height="271" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/warnerarchive-a-mighty-wind-l2JIk0sWj9sUvbvCU">via GIPHY</a></p>

Oops. Here it really is:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lindsey said to me at m&amp;g &quot;you know it was all Stevie?&quot; <br><br>i said, as long as you are ok. he said &quot;i'm ok&quot; and he meant it. ��<br><br>it was amazing fast-paced rocking show! ����✨<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LindseyBuckingham?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LindseyBuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FleetwoodMac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FleetwoodMac</a>-less <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/openingnight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#openingnight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bestof?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bestof</a></p>&mdash; elle (@ellellew) <a href="https://twitter.com/ellellew/status/1049195431408746496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And JMO of course but the above exchange doesn't make much sense to me.

[sodascouts]

I didn't change the quote. It's in this thread. :shrug:

Well, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not see this, then:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lindsey said to me at m&amp;g &quot;you know it was all Stevie?&quot; <br><br>i said, as long as you are ok. he said &quot;i'm ok&quot; and he meant it. ��<br><br>it was amazing fast-paced rocking show! ����✨<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LindseyBuckingham?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LindseyBuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FleetwoodMac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FleetwoodMac</a>-less <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/openingnight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#openingnight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bestof?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bestof</a></p>&mdash; elle (@ellellew) <a href="https://twitter.com/ellellew/status/1049195431408746496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Looks like we both found it. Now that you see / have been reminded what the quote really is, you can still make your argument, but you can do so accurately.

After all, an argument that can't be supported by the quote in full is not a very good argument.

[gldstwmn]

Well, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not see this, then:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lindsey said to me at m&amp;g &quot;you know it was all Stevie?&quot; <br><br>i said, as long as you are ok. he said &quot;i'm ok&quot; and he meant it. 💗<br><br>it was amazing fast-paced rocking show! 🎸🎤✨<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LindseyBuckingham?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LindseyBuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FleetwoodMac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FleetwoodMac</a>-less <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/openingnight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#openingnight</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bestof?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bestof</a></p>&mdash; elle (@ellellew) <a href="https://twitter.com/ellellew/status/1049195431408746496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Um yes. I just posted it.

[gldstwmn]

The Anoro commercial is on the TV again. Ka ching!

[Feather Blade]

If I take the blame for Lindsey being gone can we all agree to stop endlessly rehashing this? Yes, I made sure Lindsey was let go after he suggested it would be "cyclical" and "organic" if the band performed in the nude. I apologize to all the fans, but I just couldn't handle the thought of those wrinkly septuagenarians prancing around and letting it all hang out on stage. (Egad, if you thought Mick's wooden balls were disturbing enough...) ;) :D

Now..Lindsey seems happy enough doing his shows, the band seems happy enough doing theirs...can we just talk about the music now? :nod:

[gldstwmn]

If I take the blame for Lindsey being gone can we all agree to stop endlessly rehashing this? Yes, I made sure Lindsey was let go after he suggested it would be "cyclical" and "organic" if the band performed in the nude. I apologize to all the fans, but I just couldn't handle the thought of those wrinkly septuagenarians prancing around and letting it all hang out on stage. (Egad, if you thought Mick's wooden balls were disturbing enough...) ;) :D

Now..Lindsey seems happy enough doing his shows, the band seems happy enough doing theirs...can we just talk about the music now? :nod:

Yeah. I already tried that. :lol: :shrug:

[bwboy]

:blob1::blob1: You had fun!!! You made me laugh.. Marking down in my journal. BWBOY made the journal!

Thanks jbrownsjr :thumbsup: BTW, I think the funniest thread ever on here was one that suggested other FM or related songs for commercials, like the Go Your Own Way asthma commercial! You had some killer ones that still make me laugh!

[sodascouts]

Um yes. I just posted it.

If you realize that the question is preceded by "you know" and it wasn't a genuine mistake, why are you choosing to leave those words off and thus distort Lindsey's meaning?

[gldstwmn]

If you realize that the question is preceded by "you know," why are you choosing to leave that off and thus distort Lindsey's meaning?

I don't know what the meaning is. That's what I've been trying to say for the last 275 pages.
Was it one fallen leaf
Like the feather that it was
Was it freedom by choice
Oh baby was it love

[bwboy]

I'm worried about them not getting enough $$$$. :laugh:

And this is perfect, too!

From what I understand, the tour is doing fine, but FM has been hit financially, no doubt. I just read that Christine no longer has a grand piano in every hotel suite she's in :]

[jeets2000]

I'm surprised gldstwmn is doing this as well. It obviously alters the meaning to leave off those words. It's intellectually dishonest and it's beneath her.

If the quote doesn't support your argument... change your argument. Don't change the quote.

I'm not. The person operating this account turns into Baghdad Bob anytime something doesn't neatly fit into her narrative, just as she accuses other people of doing. Recall, this is the same person that still contends that Kristen Buckingham's Instagram isn't actually her... :rolleyes:

It's all intellectually dishonest and a purposeful distortion of basic facts. This kind of stuff doesn't deserve a response. Don't feed the trolls, folks... :woohoo:

[gldstwmn]

I'm not. The person operating this account turns into Baghdad Bob anytime something doesn't neatly fit into her narrative, just as she accuses other people of doing. Recall, this is the same person that still contends that Kristen Buckingham's Instagram isn't actually her... :rolleyes:

It's all intellectually dishonest and a purposeful distortion of basic facts. This kind of stuff doesn't deserve a response. Don't feed the trolls, folks... :woohoo:

Oh so you can't come up with a cogent response so now it's about me? This isn't about me. Stick to the topic at hand.

[FuzzyPlum]

I don't know what the meaning is. That's what I've been trying to say for the last 275 pages.
Was it one fallen leaf
Like the feather that it was
Was it freedom by choice
Oh baby was it love


'You know it was all Stevie?'

Umm, I think what he was saying to Elle is...
'You know it was all Stevie?'
The only inference I can derive from that is...
'Hey, Elle, you know all this was Stevie's doing don't you?'
I think this would imply Lindsey leaving the band is purely because Stevie wanted that to happen.

[jeets2000]

Oh so you can't come up with a cogent response so now it's about me? This isn't about me. Stick to the topic at hand.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be cogently responding to, but what Elle wrote is clear and easy enough to understand. Further, if he said it during the first M&G, we'll likely hear more about it soon, so I'm not working myself into a lather like yourself. Let's see what else is said in the next few days and weeks before telling people they're wrong about what they're reading.

[FuzzyPlum]

And this is perfect, too!

From what I understand, the tour is doing fine, but FM has been hit financially, no doubt. I just read that Christine no longer has a grand piano in every hotel suite she's in :]


Lincoln, Nebraska- 3 days away.
Approximately half of all floor seats are still available.
Whatever way you look at it, that's pretty horrible. I'm not gloating about ticket sales (and I'm not actually even sure I want to see them hitting poor sales), but I think its a notable issue to discuss (somewhere).

[gldstwmn]

Look out y'all! Here comes Lindsey's Army... of five.

[sodascouts]

I don't know what the meaning is. That's what I've been trying to say for the last 275 pages.

No, but you do know that by leaving those two words off, you are changing the meaning of that particular sentence. You are not stupid.

If it doesn't matter, then why not quote him fully?

If your arguments are strong, quoting him fully won't hurt them.

I am sorry to harp on this, but it is a pet peeve of mine when I see people distorting the words of others. Disagree with someone all you like, but disagree with them honestly.

[jbrownsjr]

I don’t think think this is in the wrong forum. It’s more discusssion into the what broke up the Rumours band. I find it incredibly annoying that anyone thinks this is earth shattering news or should bring on any “I Told You Sos” 90 percent of people here new this was primarily Stevie’s doing. We just don’t care :shrug: now if Lindsey has said at this meet and greet a specific into what made Stevie inititiate this, then we’d have some news.

But regardless of all that, i would think it’s ok in this forum.

What if he just simply went... bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (like a goat)

And $he ran to Mick..

[jeets2000]

Look out y'all! Here comes Lindsey's Army... of five.

Uhhh... gonna go ahead and use this as my response, I guess:

Oh so you can't come up with a cogent response so now it's about me? This isn't about me. Stick to the topic at hand.

[jbrownsjr]

'You know it was all Stevie?'

Umm, I think what he was saying to Elle is...
'You know it was all Stevie?'
The only inference I can derive from that is...
'Hey, Elle, you know all this was Stevie's doing don't you?'
I think this would imply Lindsey leaving the band is purely because Stevie wanted that to happen.

I'm going to see Elle a week from Thursday. I will personally ask her.

[gldstwmn]

No, but you do know that by leaving those two words off, you are changing the meaning of that particular sentence. You are not stupid.

If it doesn't matter, then why not quote him fully?

If your arguments are strong, quoting him fully won't hurt them.

I am sorry to harp on this, but it is a pet peeve of mine when I see people distorting the words of others. Disagree with someone all you like, but disagree with them honestly.

With all due respect the title of this thread is intellectually dishonest. Given that the discussion of said topic would probably intellectually dishonest. It was a third hand account of something posted on social media. That's why I'm not really taking it seriously. And the back and forth conversation I posted earlier was in jest. But seriously "You know it was all Stevie?" even further muddies the water for me. :sorry:

[gldstwmn]

'You know it was all Stevie?'

Umm, I think what he was saying to Elle is...
'You know it was all Stevie?'
The only inference I can derive from that is...
'Hey, Elle, you know all this was Stevie's doing don't you?'
I think this would imply Lindsey leaving the band is purely because Stevie wanted that to happen.

Entirely possible...

[Feather Blade]

Really, not even one smile? I go to bat for you people to try and inject a little humor to break up all this ugly tension and nothing? I'm the one that is going to have images of naked band members knocking around in my head now. :eek:

[gldstwmn]

Lincoln, Nebraska- 3 days away.
Approximately half of all floor seats are still available.
Whatever way you look at it, that's pretty horrible. I'm not gloating about ticket sales (and I'm not actually even sure I want to see them hitting poor sales), but I think its a notable issue to discuss (somewhere).

Lincoln is on a Friday night and I will wager right now the walk up on on this one will be good. How do I know? Because I'm thinking of going to this one. :eek: :woohoo:

[gldstwmn]

Really, not even one smile? I go to bat for you people to try and inject a little humor to break up all this ugly tension and nothing? I'm the one that is going to have images of naked band members knocking around in my head now. :eek:

I laughed but I'm a "troll" so I guess that doesn't count. :lol:

[bwboy]

Really, not even one smile? I go to bat for you people to try and inject a little humor to break up all this ugly tension and nothing? I'm the one that is going to have images of naked band members knocking around in my head now. :eek:

:):):):)

How about 4 smiles, Feather Blade?:xoxo:

I love the title of this thread, btw- "LB speaks at meet and greet." Imagine the disappointment if Lindsey HADN'T spoken at the meet and greet! :blob1:

Seriously though- will someone please ask him at a meet and greet to consider adding Countdown to his set list? PLEASE?!?

[Feather Blade]

:):):):)

How about 4 smiles, Feather Blade?:xoxo:

I love the title of this thread, btw- "LB speaks at meet and greet." Imagine the disappointment if Lindsey HADN'T spoken at the meet and greet! :blob1:

Seriously though- will someone please ask him at a meet and greet to consider adding Countdown to his set list? PLEASE?!?

Ha ha, yes. Imagine if they escorted people backstage where he was just standing there stone-faced. A quick picture and they got escorted off. Technically they would get to "meet" him. ;)

[Feather Blade]

I laughed but I'm a "troll" so I guess that doesn't count. :lol:

I don't think you are a troll. :xoxo:

[Angel75]

It was a third hand account of something posted on social media. That's why I'm not really taking it seriously. And the back and forth conversation I posted earlier was in jest. But seriously "You know it was all Stevie?" even further muddies the water for me. :sorry:

How can it possibly be third hand, it was posted by Elle, who was the person there directly speaking with Lindsey one on one. She then posted her conversation on social media and here....That's about as first hand as you can get....Or is that a little too complicated for you to understand?

And please do not 'Sweetie' me...it is condescending and patronising. You know nothing about me and its inappropriate. Thank you.

[jwd]

Lincoln, Nebraska- 3 days away.
Approximately half of all floor seats are still available.
Whatever way you look at it, that's pretty horrible. I'm not gloating about ticket sales (and I'm not actually even sure I want to see them hitting poor sales), but I think its a notable issue to discuss (somewhere).


Don't you know that place is cursed.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/sbQ5dHysPe0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[jbrownsjr]

Really, not even one smile? I go to bat for you people to try and inject a little humor to break up all this ugly tension and nothing? I'm the one that is going to have images of naked band members knocking around in my head now. :eek:

Welcome to my life here. :wavey:

[Feather Blade]

Welcome to my life here. :wavey:

Getting no smiles or being haunted by naked band members? :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

And please do not 'Sweetie' me...it is condescending and patronising. You know nothing about me and its inappropriate. Thank you.

Like Brett Kavanuagh in the upstairs bedroom appropriate? :confused::confused: :shocked:

[Angel75]

Like Brett Kavanuagh in the upstairs bedroom appropriate? :confused::confused: :shocked:

Let's just say I am forever grateful I do not in the US where whats fundamentally right/the truth vs wrong is completely irrelevant if you have sufficient money or power.

Being a citizen of a country that consistently tops the poll of being the most uncorrupt in the world is a true blessing.

[lovethemac1]

Like Brett Kavanuagh in the upstairs bedroom appropriate? :confused::confused: :shocked:

Waaayyy over the line gldstwmn....that's pretty ignorant.
It's attitude like that that makes the rest of the world look at the US and say "WTF is wrong with you people?"

[Angel75]

Waaayyy over the line gldstwmn....that's pretty ignorant.
It's attitude like that that makes the rest of the world look at the US and say "WTF is wrong with you people?"

AMEN and thank you

[jbrownsjr]

Getting no smiles or being haunted by naked band members? :laugh:

Like a wet ghost in the rainy fog under the stairs.

[HomerMcvie]

Waaayyy over the line gldstwmn....that's pretty ignorant.
It's attitude like that that makes the rest of the world look at the US and say "WTF is wrong with you people?"

Absolutely over the line.

[Fever Dance]

Apparently it works for some:

Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks and Def Leppard Nominated for Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/arts/music/rock-hall-of-fame-2019-nominees.html

How dare you post this in the Rumours forum!!

It's about Stevie's solo career :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

How dare you post this in the Rumours forum!!

It's about Stevie's solo career :laugh:

I know! :eek::eek::eek:

[gldstwmn]

Absolutely over the line.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
For some it will be a lesson. For others I suspect it will be like holding up a mirror.

[gldstwmn]

Like a wet ghost in the rainy fog under the stairs.

Eww. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
For some it will be a lesson. For others I suspect it will be like holding up a mirror.

Do you EVER stop talking?

[Erin]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

[Angel75]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

Thanks Erin for making the effort to come and post this and explain the situation specifically for those being unnecessarily skeptical and confrontational :)

[jmn3]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

Thank you for posting this and clarifying (even though it really was pretty clear to most of us already). I am almost completely convinced that Stevie got Mick to ask Mike into the band before they fired Lindsey under the guise of Mike can play the "old stuff" that Lindsey seemingly refuses to play. Lindsey, of course, likely had a complete meltdown about this and that's where I think all his talk about her not thinking about the band's legacy comes into play. The timing between MusicCares and Mike getting a bday surprise call just doesn't ever add up if they fire Lindsey first and then are like "oh crap what do we do???" I can see Lindsey losing his mind over the idea of turning Fleetwood Mac in 2018 into some touring tribute to Tom Petty and Peter Green. The whole thing is just sad.

[sands of time]

Do you EVER stop talking?

I can confirm she does not.

[jbrownsjr]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

Thanks Erin. I heard you guys had a great time! Well, most of you had a great time.. ;)

[bombaysaffires]

Do you EVER stop talking?

apparently not. So perhaps if others stopped engaging, they could just talk to themselves.

Funny how the people who gripe about negativity and nastiness and general doosheyness on the forum perpetuate it in their own way.

We get it, there are people who could watch Tr......I mean, certain members of FM...... shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and still swear they didn't do it. You. will. not. change.their.minds. So stop. Treat it like a dog poo on your path, step around it, and continue on with whatever you were talking about. Simple.

[bombaysaffires]

'You know it was all Stevie?'

Umm, I think what he was saying to Elle is...
'You know it was all Stevie?'
The only inference I can derive from that is...
'Hey, Elle, you know all this was Stevie's doing don't you?'
I think this would imply Lindsey leaving the band is purely because Stevie wanted that to happen.

Pretty simple, huh?

And yet people come on here accusing everyone else of not having a life and spend all of theirs trolling :laugh:

[dreamsunwind]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

Thank you for sharing the context.
I'm more convinced than ever really that what happened here was the conflict over his wanting to do his solo tour on the side, them not wanting him to do that and then Stevie basically seeing that opportunity to get him axed and going ahead with it. Every single little thing points to that being what happened.

[bombaysaffires]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

Amen.

And he's not naive, he wants the info out there and he knows it'll get shared. And we're not naive, we can figure out that he's saying it because he wants it out there.

[secondhandchain]

Sweetie there is nothing objective in Secondhandchain's posts. :lol: :sorry: Look at the avatar. There's a definite opinion.

Are you KIDDING ME? Have you seen your avatar and looked at your name recently????? Ha ha ha. You are a little delusional, like when tambourine goat says she looks young because she hasn't been in the sun since she's 30. SURE JAN!

[gldstwmn]

He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?"

Wow that is so strange and somewhat sad. WTF happened? :confused:

[gldstwmn]

It's attitude like that that makes the rest of the world look at the US and say "WTF is wrong with you people?"

I could give a flying f@ck what Mrs. Horse farm thinks about me. But she's got you fooled because she doesn't give a flying f&ck about you either. :laugh:

[secondhandchain]

Wow that is so strange and somewhat sad. WTF happened? :confused:

Tambourine goat got Lindsey fired, that's what happened. And it was a REALLY shi$$y thing to do.

[lovethemac1]

I could give a flying f@ck what Mrs. Horse farm thinks about me. But you are easily fooled because she doesn't give a flying f&ck about you either. :laugh:

I have no idea what you are going on about.....but I'm starting to feel sad for you, whether you give a f**k or not. Clearly you are a very unhappy person.

[Angel75]

I could give a flying f@ck what Mrs. Horse farm thinks about me. But you are easily fooled because she doesn't give a flying f&ck about you either. :laugh:

And the Mrs Horse farm is directed at whom ....as you've lost me now?

[gldstwmn]

I have no idea what you are going on about.....but I'm starting to feel sad for you, whether you give a f**k or not. Clearly you are a very unhappy person.

I can assure you I'm quite happy. :)

[gldstwmn]

And the Mrs Horse farm is directed at whom ....as you've lost me now?

If you can't keep up give up. :shrug: :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.
Thank you Erin for clarifying what Elle said. Some people need their noses shoved right into the muck, before they can smell it.

I'm not talking about Chris, though...:woohoo:

[lovethemac1]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

Thank you Erin.

[SortaSavageLike]

Not sure why Lindsey thought it was an appropriate time to come out and say who he had the best sex of his life with, but the man's a free agent now, so whatever. :shrug:

[sodascouts]

Not sure why Lindsey thought it was an appropriate time to come out and say who he had the best sex of his life with, but the man's a free agent now, so whatever. :shrug:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[JohnL]

Sigh, haven't posted in ages but here goes. I went to the Portland show with Elle and was standing with her when this happened. She didn't ask Lindsey anything about the firing. He literally just said out of nowhere "You know it was Stevie right?" He had also turned towards me then as to make sure I heard it too. He also mentioned how she didn't even think about the legacy of the band. I believe he said a couple of more things along those lines but I can't remember exactly what he said. She then said as long as you're ok. It was a short conversation.

I don't think this needs to be dissected anymore, that's what he said and the context he said it in.

So because it came from Lindsey I guess that makes it gospel? What the heck do you think he was going to say? it is all my fault? We all know that in 99.999% of human disagreements, both parties are at fault in some manner. I just cannot believe that this argument continues after this long. Let is go...he is history. I personally dont think he will ever be back in the band. it is over...quit pointing fingers. And Lindsey should do the same. It isnt a very classy move. He is NOT INNOCENT in all of this either.

[BigAl84]

He's a pretty level headed guy at this point in the game, or so it appears. I actually think he would be relatively diplomatic about it had it really been just a parting of the minds and a clash of opinions.

IF he did say something about her music cares speech or a tom tribute on the next tour, it doesn't automatically mean it was said in a nasty way by him. How the other party chose to handle those comments or interpreted is unknown. The exact details of the exchange is unknown to us. Trying to be as subjective as possible, I don't tend to favor the idea that Lindsey lashed out or threw a fit at anyone initially. I think there was a negative knee jerk reaction he wasn't expecting and it went south. Did things get heated and were other things said? Maybe - but again, I don't think this whole thing was sparked due to Lindsey acting like a d*ck to Stevie or anyone else in the band. I think he may have spoken honestly and openly and it didn't sit well with some folks. Again, a lot is unknown.

I think opinions and ideas were floated that were hot button issues for other folks in the band and it blew up. I think it went from 0 to 10 extremely quickly.

[BigAl84]

I will say...if in fact the idea was floated to the band about him doing solo shows in between mac shows...I still find it hard to believe that he didn't know that wouldn't sit well we certain folks in the band. Like it or not, Stevie beats that dead horse and then beats it again, and again. Her thing about always having to sacrifice her solo career plans for Fleetwood Mac, that's one of her token bits. In the last couple of years it's turned into more of a passive aggressive guilt trip. Not trying to be mean, but it really has.

We've all discussed this until we're blue in the face. My take on it is, when he said "it was all Stevie" he's saying the situation went nuclear not because I wanted it to.

[Neal]

I will say...if in fact the idea was floated to the band about him doing solo shows in between mac shows...I still find it hard to believe that he didn't know that wouldn't sit well we certain folks in the band. Like it or not, Stevie beats that dead horse and then beats it again, and again. Her thing about always having to sacrifice her solo career plans for Fleetwood Mac, that's one of her token bits. In the last couple of years it's turned into more of a passive aggressive guilt trip. Not trying to be mean, but it really has.

We've all discussed this until we're blue in the face. My take on it is, when he said "it was all Stevie" he's saying the situation went nuclear not because I wanted it to.

I think this was definitely a factor; she can't play the martyr quite as well if others show her that she doesn't have to.

Six months ago I would've been thrilled to hear she's nominated for the RRHOF as a solo artist. But now, the timing couldn't be worse. She probably thinks this is the universe's way of rewarding her bad behavior... :distress:

[jbrownsjr]

I will say...if in fact the idea was floated to the band about him doing solo shows in between mac shows...I still find it hard to believe that he didn't know that wouldn't sit well we certain folks in the band. Like it or not, Stevie beats that dead horse and then beats it again, and again. Her thing about always having to sacrifice her solo career plans for Fleetwood Mac, that's one of her token bits. In the last couple of years it's turned into more of a passive aggressive guilt trip. Not trying to be mean, but it really has.

We've all discussed this until we're blue in the face. My take on it is, when he said "it was all Stevie" he's saying the situation went nuclear not because I wanted it to.

Exactly. So well said. And the highlighted part was truly $tevie. $he threw her weight around and made the band hers. $he is a poor excuse for a human being for doing this.

[BigAl84]

Exactly. So well said. And the highlighted part was truly $tevie. $he threw her weight around and made the band hers. $he is a poor excuse for a human being for doing this.

Thank You.

Neither of them are saints. I'm sure it got a little ugly, but I don't necessarily buy into the whole Lindsey picked a fight with Stevie angle. Leaving the band was not what he was wanting or trying to do.

Don't forget...this is the same group of folks who were ok with giving him three years to do his thing back in 05-08. This year marked the arrival of an apparent zero tolerance flexibility clause.

[jbrownsjr]

Thank You.

Neither of them are saints. I'm sure it got a little ugly, but I don't necessarily buy into the whole Lindsey picked a fight with Stevie angle. Leaving the band was not what he was wanting or trying to do.

Don't forget...this is the same group of folks who were ok with giving him three years to do his thing back in 05-08. This year marked the arrival of an apparent zero tolerance flexibility clause.

As long as it revolves around the $tevie$$$ maker. Nothing else matters. And I'm sure he probably had a few choice horrible words for her. And then gave the same choice words to Mick. (As if fighting is a new thing for them.)

And they plotted against him. My eyes are connected to my brain. Politics = LB vs Mick and $$$tevie

[Storms123]

Thank You.

Neither of them are saints. I'm sure it got a little ugly, but I don't necessarily buy into the whole Lindsey picked a fight with Stevie angle. Leaving the band was not what he was wanting or trying to do.

Don't forget...this is the same group of folks who were ok with giving him three years to do his thing back in 05-08. This year marked the arrival of an apparent zero tolerance flexibility clause.

Great points by both of you. I totally agree. None of them (The 5) are known for cool calm heads and understanding. It’s said it’s come to this at this late stage (of their lives and the legacy of the band). We can only hope they are all happy and any regrets they may have are addressed before it’s too late

[BigAl84]

and how ironic, this just hit the news
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-firing-733460/

[HomerMcvie]

As long as it revolves around the $tevie$$$ maker. Nothing else matters.
Ding, ding, ding!
$tevie only cares about $tevie, and Dick only cares about $tevie(putting asses in the seats, and making him money). He'll do whatever it takes to keep her happy.... even if this was the biggest band blunder in the history of the world!

[HomerMcvie]

and how ironic, this just hit the news
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-firing-733460/

Pretty much what we've speculated all along. Thanks for posting that!

[David]

I can see Lindsey losing his mind over the idea of turning Fleetwood Mac in 2018 into some touring tribute to Tom Petty and Peter Green.This is the crux for me. While two factions squabble about who was entirely innocent and who was entirely guilty in this move to cut an old member and hire new members, I want to know what sort of deed warranted being fired.

To fire a 45-year member of a band whose identity had long since solidified in the public eye as the 1977 fivesome, the reason would need to be intense:

Stealing or embezzling
Punching
Sleeping with a spouse (no, maybe not true anymore)
Suing
Murdering
Drug addiction


Asking for a stay on the group tour to accommodate one's solo plans doesn't rise to that level. Nor does asking for days off during the week to tour solo. Nor does an "argument" (these guys have had a million undoubtedly ugly arguments). The firing was probably unreasonable—bad judgment, a rash move.

Yes, of course, it's over and done and let's move on. But it's not unreasonable for any of us longtime fans to want to know exactly what precipitated the firing because we want the satisfaction of knowing that the cause merited the response, and our hunch is that it did not.

[Neal]

and how ironic, this just hit the news
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-firing-733460/

And there we have it.

At least 50% of the truth, from one of the horses mouths.

[jbrownsjr]

and how ironic, this just hit the news
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-firing-733460/

Hmmmm and yet the folks with close friends or employees of the band don't know what they are talking about. They just want to blame that poor excu$e for a human being.

Thank you LB!!! For not trying to PR around it. Blunt. And, oh what do you know??? They were already rehearsing for the tour. So, this whole lie that FM spread was just that. A lie.

[wilsonmac]

Buckingham’s advice to the husband of his niece who is on the Mac tour as a drum tech:

“Mick is still a great guy. Don’t be anything other than a centered, grounded person for him. Do your job well.”

Top class Mr. Buckingham. Proud to be a fan of yours

[dreamsunwind]

and how ironic, this just hit the news
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-firing-733460/

Wow. Reading that hurt my heart a little :(
Just to hear it directly that she did do that. And over absolutely nothing worth it either. So sad.

[Neal]

It's actually pretty sad/pitiable that Stevie has obviously been carrying around so much animosity and anger for all of these years. :(

But I still can't get over the way it was handled. My sympathy is minimal... :o

[Storms123]

Wow. Reading that hurt my heart a little :(
Just to hear it directly that she did do that. And over absolutely nothing worth it either. So sad.

I love Stevie, but She droned on like a loon at Musicare.. Mick and Christine, who were OPENLY mocking her are still there. And just actually proves the "head space" comments that many here have alluded too.
Lindsey's daughter posted a video of Stevie on her IG from that night and called her "My Queen".
He's encouraging Steve Rincon (drum tech married to Cory Buckingham) how to engage and say "Mick's a good guy" Cooler heads prevail, and in this case, Lindsey proves to be the grown up. I mean---they email each other, over something as important as this.
Spoiled brats...all of them.

[jbrownsjr]

It's actually pretty sad/pitiable that Stevie has obviously been carrying around so much animosity and anger for all of these years. :(

But I still can't get over the way it was handled. My sympathy is minimal... :o

It goes back to BuckVie. I feel it in my bones. $he's a jealous angry fool. If I'm not doing the album, you're not doing the tour. Don't pi$$ off $tevie. Not even Lindsey can get away with it.

[Neal]

It goes back to BuckVie. I feel it in my bones. $he's a jealous angry fool. If I'm not doing the album, you're not doing the tour. Don't pi$$ off $tevie. Not even Lindsey can get away with it.

Agreed 100%. There will be no FM without her; be it on the road or in the studio.

[bombaysaffires]

This is the crux for me. While two factions squabble about who was entirely innocent and who was entirely guilty in this move to cut an old member and hire new members, I want to know what sort of deed warranted being fired.

To fire a 45-year member of a band whose identity had long since solidified in the public eye as the 1977 fivesome, the reason would need to be intense:

Stealing or embezzling
Punching
Sleeping with a spouse (no, maybe not true anymore)
Suing
Murdering
Drug addiction


Asking for a stay on the group tour to accommodate one's solo plans doesn't rise to that level. Nor does asking for days off during the week to tour solo. Nor does an "argument" (these guys have had a million undoubtedly ugly arguments). The firing was probably unreasonable—bad judgment, a rash move.

Yes, of course, it's over and done and let's move on. But it's not unreasonable for any of us longtime fans to want to know exactly what precipitated the firing because we want the satisfaction of knowing that the cause merited the response, and our hunch is that it did not.


apparently, smirking needs to be added to your list. :eek: :laugh:

[bombaysaffires]

I love Stevie, but She droned on like a loon at Musicare.. Mick and Christine, who were OPENLY mocking her are still there. And just actually proves the "head space" comments that many here have alluded too.
Lindsey's daughter posted a video of Stevie on her IG from that night and called her "My Queen".
He's encouraging Steve Rincon (drum tech married to Cory Buckingham) how to engage and say "Mick's a good guy" Cooler heads prevail, and in this case, Lindsey proves to be the grown up. I mean---they email each other, over something as important as this.
Spoiled brats...all of them.

yep. plus, Mick participated in the album as did John. And Chris not only participated she put her name on it and then went out on tour with him.

She's a biatch. And I've loved her since the 70s.

[FuzzyPlum]

I'm a grown man of 44 years. I just shed a tear for the first time in many years. At the moment I'm too sad to feel angry, but I know that emotion is coming very soon.

[Brad]

For those who have done the Meet and Greet, did you get an email with instructions a few days or so before the show? I just noticed on my tickets that there’s no mention of the Meet and Greet on them, so I’m curious how you got the information regarding time and all.

Thanks!


Brad

[Angel75]

Buckingham’s advice to the husband of his niece who is on the Mac tour as a drum tech:

“Mick is still a great guy. Don’t be anything other than a centered, grounded person for him. Do your job well.”

Top class Mr. Buckingham. Proud to be a fan of yours

Indeed being very fair and dignified about it all when he was clearly wronged by Stevie over incredibly petty things.
A great interview thank you LB. I feel incredibly sad that he has been treated this way and is clearly very hurt. I hope your Solo tour is cathartic and a huge success.

[Angel75]

It goes back to BuckVie. I feel it in my bones. $he's a jealous angry fool. If I'm not doing the album, you're not doing the tour. Don't pi$$ off $tevie. Not even Lindsey can get away with it.

Totally agree, she's resentful, bitter and hugely revengeful......Thanks for ruining FMs legacy you nasty woman

[HomerMcvie]

Totally agree, she's resentful, bitter and hugely revengeful......Thanks for ruining FMs legacy you nasty woman

She really is a bitter old hag. It really is a shame. Fame, fortune, and yet consumed by bitterness.

[Jondalar]

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-fired/

Lindsey Buckingham has finally revealed the details of why he was fired from Fleetwood Mac.

In a new interview, he claims Stevie Nicks handed the band a him-or-me ultimatum after she felt slighted by his actions during their last performance together at the 2018 MusiCares Person of the Year benefit in January. Fleetwood Mac were given an award in recognition of their musical and philanthropic history at the event.

As Buckingham told Rolling Stone, a few days after the show he received a phone call from manager Irving Azoff, who proceeded to list various issues Nicks had with his behavior that night, including his complaints about their intro music being Nicks’ “Rhiannon” and that he may have “smirked” while she was giving her acceptance speech.

“The irony is that we have this standing joke that Stevie, when she talks, goes on a long time,” Buckingham said about the latter point. “I may or may not have smirked. But I look over, and Christine [McVie] and Mick [Fleetwood] are doing the waltz behind her as a joke.”

As for their choice of intro song that night, Buckingham admitted he was against it, but said Nicks took it the wrong way. “It wasn’t about it being ‘Rhiannon,’ ” he noted. “It just undermined the impact of our entrance. That’s me being very specific about the right and wrong way to do something.”

Regardless of Buckingham’s defenses, Azoff gave him a direct message: “Stevie never wants to be on a stage with you again.”

Buckingham took this to mean she was quitting Fleetwood Mac, so he emailed Fleetwood to discuss the band’s future, but didn’t hear back. So he called Azoff for clarification. “‘This feels funny,'” he recalled saying. “‘Is Stevie leaving the band, or am I getting kicked out?’” Azoff told Buckingham he was “getting ousted” because Nicks gave the band “an ultimatum: Either you go or she’s gonna go.”

While Buckingham admitted he didn’t remember Azoff’s exact words, he said “that was the message.”

Shortly after the news of Buckingham’s departure was made public in April, Fleetwood said Buckingham’s unwillingness to tour this year was the reason for his dismissal. The only other public comments Buckingham made prior to Rolling Stone‘s interview were at a May fundraiser, where he said that the band had “lost their perspective.”

“What that did was to harm – and this is the only thing I’m really sad about; the rest of it becomes an opportunity – it harmed the 43-year legacy that we had worked so hard to build,” he explained at the time. “That legacy was really about rising above difficulties in order to fulfill one’s higher truth and one’s higher destiny.”

[jbrownsjr]

apparently, smirking needs to be added to your list. :eek: :laugh:

hahahaha!!! I love you :xoxo:

[StevieandChris]

At the meet and greet, someone should ask L to list all of the other issues that the manager said Stevie had, beyond the intro and smirk. Would love to hear his specific response. And has anyone asked him flat out about the tour delay? Did the rest of the band lie or was there every any talk of a delay.

[secondhandchain]

Pretty much what we've speculated all along. Thanks for posting that!

We were right all along. THAT BITTER OLD HAG! F her!!!

[bombaysaffires]

At the meet and greet, someone should ask L to list all of the other issues that the manager said Stevie had, beyond the intro and smirk. Would love to hear his specific response. And has anyone asked him flat out about the tour delay? Did the rest of the band lie or was there every any talk of a delay.

why? you won't believe any of it anyway. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:We were right all along. THAT BITTER OLD HAG! F her!!!

As if there was ever any doubt!

[Buster]

I guess everyone will believe what they want to believe but do people really think that Stevie wanted Lindsey fired only because of smirking and criticizing choice of Rhiannon? And there isn’t more to the story, including possibility that Lindsey is not addressing anything he did to contribute to the situation? This quick rush to think that this interview confirms anything is odd to me.

[HomerMcvie]

She wants to be HAPPY, and will knock the teeth out of anything that challenges her/doesn't suck up to her.

What a POS she became.

[secondhandchain]

One nasal note tambourine b/witch should be ashamed.

[StevieandChris]

why? you won't believe any of it anyway. :shrug:

So what is the harm in asking?

[bombaysaffires]

So what is the harm in asking?

then you go ahead.

don't ask others to do tasks for you so you can p&ss on it later.

[StevieandChris]

then you go ahead.

don't ask others to do tasks for you so you can p&ss on it later.

I would but I am not going to see any of his shows.

[gldstwmn]

It's actually pretty sad/pitiable that Stevie has obviously been carrying around so much animosity and anger for all of these years. :(

But I still can't get over the way it was handled. My sympathy is minimal... :o

And yet Lindsey is the one who stood on stage at Music Cares and mocked her (yet again) while she spoke. Not to mention he is the one who started and is perpetuating this campaign of hatred. He'd been acting like an a$$ for months before Music Cares and I'm sure we haven't even gotten to what the kicker was from that event for his ouster. He is most certainly aware that by airing their dirty laundry this way that he has ruined the experience for many, many fans all the while talking out of the other side of his mouth about preserving the band's legacy. His own wife called him a pr!ck in the Rolling Stone interview. He sounded great on Kimmel and I didn't want to say it then but he looks off. He has that same look in the photos I have seen from the meet and greet. I do wonder if there is a health issue. I hope his friends and family keep a close eye on him while he is touring and I hope it all works out for him. Whomever is managing/advising him would be wise to keep him off the Howard Stern Show. I'm worried he'll be taken advantage of.

[gldstwmn]

I guess everyone will believe what they want to believe but do people really think that Stevie wanted Lindsey fired only because of smirking and criticizing choice of Rhiannon? And there isn’t more to the story, including possibility that Lindsey is not addressing anything he did to contribute to the situation? This quick rush to think that this interview confirms anything is odd to me.

There is a way more to this. I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach about this whole thing. :distress:

[bombaysaffires]

And yet Lindsey is the one who stood on stage at Music Cares and mocked her (yet again) while she spoke. .

uh, look again dear, the WHOLE band -- ALL 4 OF THEM -- were mocking her during the speech. Maybe they should all be fired??

Campaign of hate?? How about campaign of telling the truth, versus the pile of dog poo she and Mick have been perpetuating??:shrug:

[BigAl84]

And yet Lindsey is the one who stood on stage at Music Cares and mocked her (yet again) while she spoke. Not to mention he is the one who started and is perpetuating this campaign of hatred. He'd been acting like an a$$ for months before Music Cares and I'm sure we haven't even gotten to what the kicker was from that event for his ouster. He is most certainly aware that by airing their dirty laundry this way that he has ruined the experience for many, many fans all the while talking out of the other side of his mouth about preserving the band's legacy. His own wife called him a pr!ck in the Rolling Stone interview. He sounded great on Kimmel and I didn't want to say it then but he looks off. He has that same look in the photos I have seen from the meet and greet. I do wonder if there is a health issue. I hope his friends and family keep a close eye on him while he is touring and I hope it all works out for him. Whomever is managing/advising him would be wise to keep him off the Howard Stern Show. I'm worried he'll be taken advantage of.

<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/xUOxeQO6zQtLZZtqxi" width="480" height="269" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/vh1-martha-snoop-xUOxeQO6zQtLZZtqxi">via GIPHY</a></p>

[StevieandChris]

uh, look again dear, the WHOLE band -- ALL 4 OF THEM -- were mocking her during the speech. Maybe they should all be fired??

Campaign of hate?? How about campaign of telling the truth, versus the pile of dog poo she and Mick have been perpetuating??:shrug:

One thing you are right about. She should have been completely honest on why they canned him.

[gldstwmn]

One thing you are right about. She should have been completely honest on why they canned him.

Yes. Only the most benign of reasons were given. He acted like a complete and total ass on the red carpet at Music Cares. And if she was pissed at Mick and Chris then she would have left the band.

[bombaysaffires]

I would but I am not going to see any of his shows.

then maybe you'll never know. :shrug:

[mitzo]

And yet Lindsey is the one who stood on stage at Music Cares and mocked her (yet again) while she spoke. Not to mention he is the one who started and is perpetuating this campaign of hatred. He'd been acting like an a$$ for months before Music Cares and I'm sure we haven't even gotten to what the kicker was from that event for his ouster. He is most certainly aware that by airing their dirty laundry this way that he has ruined the experience for many, many fans all the while talking out of the other side of his mouth about preserving the band's legacy. His own wife called him a pr!ck in the Rolling Stone interview. He sounded great on Kimmel and I didn't want to say it then but he looks off. He has that same look in the photos I have seen from the meet and greet. I do wonder if there is a health issue. I hope his friends and family keep a close eye on him while he is touring and I hope it all works out for him. Whomever is managing/advising him would be wise to keep him off the Howard Stern Show. I'm worried he'll be taken advantage of.

Interesting observations. He looks off? What do you think might be happening?

[sasja]

And yet Lindsey is the one who stood on stage at Music Cares and mocked her (yet again) while she spoke. Not to mention he is the one who started and is perpetuating this campaign of hatred. He'd been acting like an a$$ for months before Music Cares and I'm sure we haven't even gotten to what the kicker was from that event for his ouster. He is most certainly aware that by airing their dirty laundry this way that he has ruined the experience for many, many fans all the while talking out of the other side of his mouth about preserving the band's legacy. His own wife called him a pr!ck in the Rolling Stone interview. He sounded great on Kimmel and I didn't want to say it then but he looks off. He has that same look in the photos I have seen from the meet and greet. I do wonder if there is a health issue. I hope his friends and family keep a close eye on him while he is touring and I hope it all works out for him. Whomever is managing/advising him would be wise to keep him off the Howard Stern Show. I'm worried he'll be taken advantage of.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:
This is truly bizarre supposition, rumour and creepy. ESPECIALLY considering this man has young children who read on the internet. Aren't you a mod? This just really crosses a line for me. :shocked:

just... speechless, gldstwmn. Wow.

[HomerMcvie]

:confused::confused::confused::confused:
This is truly bizarre supposition, rumour and creepy. ESPECIALLY considering this man has young children who read on the internet. Aren't you a mod? This just really crosses a line for me. :shocked:

just... speechless, gldstwmn. Wow.
She USED to be a mod. I think...... ÷issues÷ got in the way.

[HomerMcvie]

<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/xUOxeQO6zQtLZZtqxi" width="480" height="269" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="https://giphy.com/gifs/vh1-martha-snoop-xUOxeQO6zQtLZZtqxi">via GIPHY</a></p>

You, my dear sir, I'd like to purchase you a cocktail of your choice.

[lovethemac1]

And yet Lindsey is the one who stood on stage at Music Cares and mocked her (yet again) while she spoke. Not to mention he is the one who started and is perpetuating this campaign of hatred. He'd been acting like an a$$ for months before Music Cares and I'm sure we haven't even gotten to what the kicker was from that event for his ouster. He is most certainly aware that by airing their dirty laundry this way that he has ruined the experience for many, many fans all the while talking out of the other side of his mouth about preserving the band's legacy. His own wife called him a pr!ck in the Rolling Stone interview. He sounded great on Kimmel and I didn't want to say it then but he looks off. He has that same look in the photos I have seen from the meet and greet. I do wonder if there is a health issue. I hope his friends and family keep a close eye on him while he is touring and I hope it all works out for him. Whomever is managing/advising him would be wise to keep him off the Howard Stern Show. I'm worried he'll be taken advantage of.

No she did not. For someone who is so sanctimonious, you sure make your own stories up. She called him "prickly" which is similar to your attitude.

[lovethemac1]

She USED to be a mod. I think...... ÷issues÷ got in the way.

SERIOUS issues...............

[jmn3]

No she did not. For someone who is so sanctimonious, you sure make your own stories up. She called him "prickly" which is similar to your attitude.

Her ability to literally pass of obvious lies as facts should make her a perfect political operative...the prick/prickly thing is amazingly ridiculous.

[HomerMcvie]

SERIOUS issues...............

Now we're stating the obvious...:cool:

[justcrazylove]

I'm imaging gldstwmn to be some creepy, crescent moon necklace wearing, spinning in front of her mirror, shawl wearing sycophant, I have loved this board for so long but it's becoming intolerable. In spite of evidence, people are still saying they don't believe Lindsey's account. Fleetwood Mac gave their side of the story on CBS, Lindsey has given his, your choice on which one you want to believe.

No more back and forth, both parties have spoken. those of us that have looked at this closely have known the details for a while. Those who continue to ignore them just come out and state that you prefer Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham. But quit the posturing that this was in any way fair on Lindsey.

[secondhandchain]

Now we're stating the obvious...:cool:

She's saying he's sick, that his wife called him a prick and that he's worried about him going on Howard because he will take advantage of him???? LOL!!!! First of all Howard would treat him with nothing but respect. He LOVES musicians and always treats them fairly. He's nowhere near as crass as he used to be and really is the best interviewer out there. Lindsey will be fine.

[dreamsunwind]

And yet Lindsey is the one who stood on stage at Music Cares and mocked her (yet again) while she spoke. Not to mention he is the one who started and is perpetuating this campaign of hatred. He'd been acting like an a$$ for months before Music Cares and I'm sure we haven't even gotten to what the kicker was from that event for his ouster. He is most certainly aware that by airing their dirty laundry this way that he has ruined the experience for many, many fans all the while talking out of the other side of his mouth about preserving the band's legacy. His own wife called him a pr!ck in the Rolling Stone interview. He sounded great on Kimmel and I didn't want to say it then but he looks off. He has that same look in the photos I have seen from the meet and greet. I do wonder if there is a health issue. I hope his friends and family keep a close eye on him while he is touring and I hope it all works out for him. Whomever is managing/advising him would be wise to keep him off the Howard Stern Show. I'm worried he'll be taken advantage of.

....What lol. Seriously, what on earth are you talking about...
What "campaign of hatred" "months before MusicCares? The band had hardly even been together since the end of 2015. Lindsey was off with Christine doing their own thing and Stevie was doing her tour. His wife did not call him a prick lol. The fact that that's how you interpreted her comments says a lot more about your biases than it does about anything else.

[DownOnRodeo]

:confused::confused::confused::confused:
This is truly bizarre supposition, rumour and creepy. ESPECIALLY considering this man has young children who read on the internet. Aren't you a mod? This just really crosses a line for me. :shocked:

just... speechless, gldstwmn. Wow.

The S.S. Stevie is sinking and gldstwmn is intent on going down with the ship.

[secondhandchain]

The S.S. Stevie is sinking and gldstwmn is intent on going down with the ship.

:nod: I have a question: is Stevie doing any of her speeches during the new show?