Double standards (2nd try)

[SteveMacD]

No solo on Gypsy…
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“And Then…”
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“How dare they play The Chain and having broken it...” Yeah, because Lindsey didn’t do it on his first solo tour after HE broke The Chain (8:25)
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“There wasn’t the fire between Neil and Stevie…”

And there isn’t going to be. Pretty unrealistic to expect her to have any chemistry with someone she hardly knows compared with her ex she’s known since she was a teenager. Stevie and Rick really didn’t have any chemistry at first.

Mick and John sounded fine, Neil was on pitch, Mike rocked out when he needed to (though was the shakiest performance). Christine looked great, although got lost in the mix. Not going to say anything about Stevie other than it was a standard performance.

[BombaySapphire3]

Stevie also performed The Chain at the House of Blues in '91 after she had also bailed on the band.:shrug: Neither she nor Lindsey were fired then .They had left by their own choice as did Christine in '98. The Chain on Ellen was not terrible . Stevie looking ,pointing and squinting at Neil was terrible or at the very least absurd. Gypsy was pretty bad and that is mostly due to Stevie's vocal performance . I was a fan of the Rumours band in the 1970s and Stevie in her solo prime in real time and remain a fan of the great music produced during those years. However If this is the current state of her voice then she should retire.

[SteveMacD]

Stevie also performed The Chain at the House of Blues in '91 after she had also bailed on the band.:shrug: Neither she nor Lindsey were fired then .

So, Lindsey and Stevie can effectively fire the band (or break the chain), but the band can’t fire them?

[sands of time]

So, Lindsey and Stevie can effectively fire the band (or break the chain), but the band can’t fire them?

There is something seriously wrong with you.

[BombaySapphire3]

So, Lindsey and Stevie can effectively fire the band (or break the chain), but the band can’t fire them?

If you don't get the difference between someone leaving a band on their own accord and getting fired in the twilight years from a band that you were largely responsible for the commercial and artistic success of then there is probably no way that It can be explained.

[DownOnRodeo]

Lindsey performing The Chain solo vs Stevie performing it solo or even the post-Tango FM iterations performing it are different kettles of fish.

The music and lyrics of that song as we know it is something like 65% Lindsey, 25% Christine and John, and 10% Stevie.

But anyway, the "band" giving Lindsey the boot 20 years after the Dance reunion and at this advanced stage of their lives and legacies and then electing to introduce their new lineup with The Chain was symbolically abominable and creatively deceptive.

[BombaySapphire3]

Lindsey performing The Chain solo vs Stevie performing it solo or even the post-Tango FM iterations performing it are different kettles of fish.

The music and lyrics of that song as we know it is something like 65% Lindsey, 25% Christine and John, and 10% Stevie.

But anyway, the "band" giving Lindsey the boot 20 years after the Dance reunion and at this advanced stage of their lives and legacies and then electing to introduce their new lineup with The Chain was symbolically abominable and creatively deceptive.

Not to mention the choice of performing Gypsy..perhaps the ultimate example of a pretty ordinary Stevie song transformed into something magical by Lindsey's studio handiwork.

[iamnotafraid]

...the "band" giving Lindsey the boot 20 years after the Dance reunion and at this advanced stage of their lives and legacies and then electing to introduce their new lineup with The Chain was symbolically abominable and creatively deceptive.

I like this.

[SteveMacD]

There is something seriously wrong with you.

Yes there is. I appreciate consistency.

If you don't get the difference between someone leaving a band on their own accord and getting fired in the twilight years from a band that you were largely responsible for the commercial and artistic success of then there is probably no way that It can be explained.

Probably not. I don’t get why it was okay for Lindsey to reach his breaking point with them in 1987 for whatever reason, but they’re forbidden from reaching their own breaking point with him because of subsequent history.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey performing The Chain solo vs Stevie performing it solo or even the post-Tango FM iterations performing it are different kettles of fish.

Why?

The music and lyrics of that song as we know it is something like 65% Lindsey, 25% Christine and John, and 10% Stevie.

Didn’t get the cheat sheet. I’m sure Mick would have something to say about that split.


But anyway, the "band" giving Lindsey the boot 20 years after the Dance reunion and at this advanced stage of their lives and legacies and then electing to introduce their new lineup with The Chain was symbolically abominable and creatively deceptive.

I agree that a new lineup at this point is ridiculous, but so was Lindsey quitting in the first place. As was calling a Fleetwood Mac album something else.

[DownOnRodeo]

Why?

For the reason I stated in the subsequent paragraph.
Context does not seem to be your greatest strength as far as the topic of this thread goes.

Didn’t get the cheat sheet.
Come on, be fair--you have at least quadruple my FM knowledge, so you must know I'm roughly in the right ballpark as far as The Chain contribution breakdown goes.

Attend the DownOnRodeo VIP Experience on the sidelines of Lindsey's concert in Birmingham in November and I will personally hand you a Signature Cheat Sheet with my scientifically proven mathematical breakdowns of contributions to each song (percentages rounded to the nearest whole integer) as well as a hand-crafted dossier explaining in multiple languages that the events of 1987 are completely different to those of 2018.

I’m sure Mick would have something to say about that split.
Perhaps you could pay him 660 USD to ask.
But seriously, kudos to Mick for his contributions within the ranks.

[sodascouts]

People have explained their logic as to why they believe the context is different; SteveMacD does not accept anyone's logic and repeatedly insists the context is the same.

I'm afraid this thread is achieving very little.

[justcrazylove]

SteveMacD has been doubling down on his support of this **** show since the Ellen performance, almost as if to prove some kind of point, whilst I've disagreed with your opinion since April, you have been quite reasoned. However, you can't possibly think that that performance was in anyway good. Being completely objective, it was trash.

[iamnotafraid]

... However, you can't possibly think that that performance was in anyway good. Being completely objective, it was trash.

I think it's exactly what was expected out of
a group of seventy something year olds.

The only surprise was Christine looking better.
What's her secret?

[jbrownsjr]

Three threads to say this? oy... Someone was drinking. :laugh:

[DownOnRodeo]

The only surprise was Christine looking better.
What's her secret?

I didn't understand why people were saying Stevie was looking puffy-faced (ie some form of facial treatment), because to me it was Christine who was really inflated. Add to that the ingenious hair design that covers most of her face, and combine that with the lack of sustained close-ups (particularly compared to Stevie), and low lighting, and it's not surprise she comes out on top.

But yes, she reminded me of Carrie Bradshaw, and/but her legs behind that keyboard rack are thinner than Stevie's nasal septum (more worrying than anything).


Speaking of double standards.. let's also turn our scathing eyes to the physical appearance of the men.
- Is Neale Heywood's rugged beard a recent thing or am I just behind the times? He's channeling Clapton.
- Mike Campbell, with all his gimmicky attire, is hiding in plain sight. Who knows what he looks like.
- Neil Finn is wearing all black. Just what this Addams Family Revue needed!
- John certainly is thinner these days.

[sands of time]

I don’t get why it was okay for Lindsey to reach his breaking point with them in 1987 for whatever reason, but they’re forbidden from reaching their own breaking point with him because of subsequent history.

The problem is not that they fired him. The problem is the way they are continuing without him. If Lindsey had put together a new band in 1987 and called it "Fleetwood Mac," and included Debbie Gibson in the lineup singing Stevie's songs, he would have been a piece of trash. Not unlike the remaining members in 2018. If they had gone on Ellen and done "Don't Stop" and "Rhiannon," MAYBE they could have retained some dignity. But they have proven that they are either completely senile or have annihilated their collective conscience.

[jbrownsjr]

The only surprise was Christine looking better.
What's her secret?

Her eyes sparkled and she looked so tall, elegant and slender.

$tevie looked like $he had two pads stuffed in her cheek$. And her outfit is so tired looking. At least Christine updated her Hilary Clinton suit outfits with some vertical stripes. It just enhanced her already tall slim stature.

[jbrownsjr]

The problem is not that they fired him. The problem is the way they are continuing without him. If Lindsey had put together a new band in 1987 and called it "Fleetwood Mac," and included Debbie Gibson in the lineup singing Stevie's songs, he would have been a piece of trash. Not unlike the remaining members in 2018. If they had gone on Ellen and done "Don't Stop" and "Rhiannon," MAYBE they could have retained some dignity. But they have proven that they are either completely senile or have annihilated their collective conscience.

I think it's the latter. Just ignorance. These songs have lost their meaning long ago because of all the cash grab touring.

Which is why Lindsey had the dignity to do the EP, BuckVie and was probably demanding new music on this tour to move forward, rather than go back to Peter or Bob days.

[jeets2000]

People have explained their logic as to why they believe the context is different; SteveMacD does not accept anyone's logic and repeatedly insists the context is the same.

I'm afraid this thread is achieving very little.

You're exactly right on everything here except on one point: it's achieving exactly what he wants. It's especially ironic since he's also the source of complaints about how people are "beating a dead horse" around here. This topic was covered ad nauseam in the Ellen thread.

[bwboy]

I didn't understand why people were saying Stevie was looking puffy-faced

Simple- because the people who said that are the ones who hate her.

[jbrownsjr]

Simple- because the people who said that are the ones who hate her.

Or, perhaps she was.

[jeets2000]

Simple- because the people who said that are the ones who hate her.

Right, because saying something critical automatically means you have to hate that person. :rolleyes:

[jbrownsjr]

Right, because saying something critical automatically means you have to hate that person. :rolleyes:

And to those same people who can and will say anything they want about other members. Critical or harsh. smh... talk about a double standard. :distress:

[pauls90]

Simple- because the people who said that are the ones who hate her.

OH spare me!

So ridiculous. I love Stevie but how this was all handled has left a very gross taste in my mouth. She clearly cannot remember the history of her own band and being critical of her does not mean one hates her (though I would agree taking aims at her looks is extremely low and irrelevant).

Regardless, if you can't see how the band performing "The Chain" on live national broadcast television was an incredibly ugly and totally disrespectful move then you deserve the mediocre, bland greatest hits karaoke show you're about to get from now until they're all gone.

[Nathan]

Lindsey performing The Chain solo vs Stevie performing it solo or even the post-Tango FM iterations performing it are different kettles of fish.

The music and lyrics of that song as we know it is something like 65% Lindsey, 25% Christine and John, and 10% Stevie.

I think you're underestimating Stevie's lyrical contributions to The Chain. According to an interview, LB wrote "listen to the wind blow." Most if not all of the other lyrics were hers, which you can hear on the demo version that was included in one of the Rumors reissues.

[jbrownsjr]

I think you're underestimating Stevie's lyrical contributions to The Chain. According to an interview, LB wrote "listen to the wind blow." Most if not all of the other lyrics were hers, which you can hear on the demo version that was included in one of the Rumors reissues.

You can clearly hear The Chain in Christine's instrumental. But when it comes to lyrics. I give $tevie the best of the 3. Even when her lyrics make me laugh, I still usually like them. Bella Donna, especially.

[sodascouts]

I think you're underestimating Stevie's lyrical contributions to The Chain. According to an interview, LB wrote "listen to the wind blow." Most if not all of the other lyrics were hers, which you can hear on the demo version that was included in one of the Rumors reissues.

It certainly proves the chorus is all her.

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I too have heard that she wrote almost all of the other lyrics, but you can't tell that by listening to this. It has entirely different verses.

Love this demo, BTW.

[jbrownsjr]

It certainly proves the chorus is all her.

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I too have heard that she wrote almost all of the other lyrics, but you can't tell that by listening to this. It has entirely different verses.

Love this demo, BTW.

The lyrics sound like her more than the other 2.

[aleuzzi]

You can clearly hear The Chain in Christine's instrumental. But when it comes to lyrics. I give $tevie the best of the 3. Even when her lyrics make me laugh, I still usually like them. Bella Donna, especially.

You can ride high atop your pony.

[jbrownsjr]

You can ride high atop your pony.

I love love love that song. And I fell deeper in love with her after that album.

Seeing Christine live had me wanting to marry her. And we know how that story goes.. :laugh:

[FuzzyPlum]

Lindsey performing The Chain solo vs Stevie performing it solo or even the post-Tango FM iterations performing it are different kettles of fish.

The music and lyrics of that song as we know it is something like 65% Lindsey, 25% Christine and John, and 10% Stevie.

But anyway, the "band" giving Lindsey the boot 20 years after the Dance reunion and at this advanced stage of their lives and legacies and then electing to introduce their new lineup with The Chain was symbolically abominable and creatively deceptive.


I agree with much of what you say but I think you are quite away off the mark on this one :shocked:

[bwboy]

And to those same people who can and will say anything they want about other members. Critical or harsh. smh... talk about a double standard. :distress:

Well, if you can find any post where I mocked Lindsey's appearance or any other member of FM, feel free to bring it up. No double standard here.

[jeets2000]

Simple- because the people who said that are the ones who hate her.

Well, if you can find any post where I mocked Lindsey's appearance or any other member of FM, feel free to bring it up. No double standard here.

No, just broad, sweeping generalizations about dozens of people you've likely never met. Cool.

[jbrownsjr]

No, just broad, sweeping generalizations about dozens of people you've likely never met. Cool.

Thank you. What jeets said Bwboy.

[jbrownsjr]

Well, if you can find any post where I mocked Lindsey's appearance or any other member of FM, feel free to bring it up. No double standard here.

If you don't see the transparency of some of your posts, I'm certainly not here to explain them to you. And nor will I get into with you. Just know that you're not invisible. But, you're certainly welcome to ride high on top your pony. I know you won't fall Bwboy..

[bwboy]

Oh, so the people who have been calling Mick and Stevie names DON'T hate them? They still love Fleetwood Mac? Glad to hear it.

Are you excited about the new FM tour? Or about what Neil and Mike will bring to the band? Or a new FM album?

Great, let's discuss!

[jbrownsjr]

Oh, so the people who have been calling Mick and Stevie names DON'T hate them? They still love Fleetwood Mac? Glad to hear it.

Are you excited about the new FM tour? Or about what Neil and Mike will bring to the band? Or a new FM album?

Great, let's discuss!

I get that you want to control everyone's dialogue here, but it's not gonna happen. If you don't like it, find a $tevie board to go to.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, so the people who have been calling Mick and Stevie names DON'T hate them? They still love Fleetwood Mac? Glad to hear it.

Are you excited about the new FM tour? Or about what Neil and Mike will bring to the band? Or a new FM album?

Great, let's discuss!
I think it's great that you want to control what everyone has to say here.

Burned any books lately?

[bwboy]

If you don't see the transparency of some of your posts, I'm certainly not here to explain them to you. And nor will I get into with you. Just know that you're not invisible. But, you're certainly welcome to ride high on top your pony. I know you won't fall Bwboy..

How can you say you're a fan of Fleetwood Mac when you write the things you do about them? I mean, can you really tell me you like Fleetwood Mac now? I have no idea what you're talking about, being transparent or invisible. Nor am I trying to get into it with you. I'm not being rude, I'm not arguing, I'm not name calling.

This reminds me of a scene I saw on a tv show one time. This woman was testifying someone was angry, and the lawyer said "objection, calls for the defendant's state of mind" and the witness said "you mean I can say the defendant threw his cell phone, slammed the door on my hand, yelled at me he wanted to kill me, and pulled my hair, but I can't say he was angry?"

[jbrownsjr]

How can you say you're a fan of Fleetwood Mac when you write the things you do about them? I mean, can you really tell me you like Fleetwood Mac now? I have no idea what you're talking about, being transparent or invisible. Nor am I trying to get into it with you. I'm not being rude, I'm not arguing, I'm not name calling.

This reminds me of a scene I saw on a tv show one time. This woman was testifying someone was angry, and the lawyer said "objection, calls for the defendant's state of mind" and the witness said "you mean I can say the defendant threw his cell phone, slammed the door on my hand, yelled at me he wanted to kill me, and pulled my hair, but I can't say he was angry?"

Again, I know you want to control what everyone says here. And I understand you don't think your posts are transparent (that's usually the case for someone that does it). But, if you don't like the way the fans here react. Go somewhere else. I'm done discussing this with you publicly.

[bwboy]

I get that you want to control everyone's dialogue here, but it's not gonna happen. If you don't like it, find a $tevie board to go to.

So, you do like Fleetwood Mac or you don't? Without controlling the dialogue, I think I can guess the answer. The fact that you can't answer that simple question on a Fleetwood Mac message board says it all. And thanks for telling me to go somewhere else, sorry I offended you by asking that simple question. I won't push the issue anymore with you. And you can have the last word, I'm ok with that, I don't need to.

[jbrownsjr]

So, you do like Fleetwood Mac or you don't? Without controlling the dialogue, I think I can guess the answer. The fact that you can't answer that simple question on a Fleetwood Mac message board says it all. And thanks for telling me to go somewhere else, sorry I offended you by asking that simple question. I won't push the issue anymore with you. And you can have the last word, I'm ok with that, I don't need to.

You haven't offended me in the least. I'm just letting you know that I've seen your game before. And, letting you know I'm not going to play it. Good day, bwboy.

[Street_Dreamer]

I'm still waiting for some people to admit that Billy, Rick, Bekka and Dave M. are in fact actual members of Fleetwood Mac. Not anyone here, just in general. They've been treated with far more disrespect than Stevie, Mick or anyone else in the band.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm still waiting for some people to admit that Billy, Rick, Bekka and Dave M. are in fact actual members of Fleetwood Mac. Not anyone here, just in general. They've been treated with far more disrespect than Stevie, Mick or anyone else in the band.

Strangely, I agree with this. I didn't like Dave. But the other 3 did a fantastic job. And, THEY DID NEW MUSIC.

[HomerMcvie]

Strangely, I agree with this. I didn't like Dave. But the other 3 did a fantastic job. And, THEY DID NEW MUSIC.

I agree. Not the best thing FM ever did, but respectable, solid work.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree. Not the best thing FM ever did, but respectable, solid work.

Dave Mason is a great artist. I'm more of a Steve Winwood kind of guy. But, Dave wrote music and sang for a full album. And they knew it wouldn't sell.

[elle]

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how awesome is this?????? thanks so much for digging it back out and sharing. i still regret not even knowing who he was then, and missing this tour. and The Chain?? how FANTASTIC is his solo version of The Chain? :]:]

and now i really want You Do Or You Don't on the Anthology tour. it's on the collection so there's some hope! :nod:

[SteveMacD]

I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy as I see it. And before anyone hits me with the hypocrisy of how they’ve bent over backwards for Stevie, I’ve long thought she should have been shown the door years ago and/or Fleetwood Mac be put on indefinite hiatus for Buckingham Fleetwood McVie. Didn’t happen. I also get that in the years since, the oldest member rejoined and the second oldest survived a cancer scare. And, I had to accept that they’re not doing anything called Fleetwood Mac without Stevie with LBCM. There’s an urgency, now. But then, hasn’t money trumped principle in Fleetwood Mac since Peter Green wanted to give all of their money away?

That said, not a word about the abbreviated version of “Gypsy” in 2014, but it’s somehow a big deal in 2018? It wasn’t as obvious now as it was then that it was shortened for TV?

As for them playing “The Chain” or anything Lindsey was involved with…Legitimate? In all my 23 years on the FM online community, I’ve never heard of anyone having an issue with any of them playing the song until now. It wasn’t an issue with Lindsey doing it in 1993, it wasn’t an issue with Stevie and Rick doing it in 1994, and there wasn’t an issue with Fleetwood Mac calling their 94-95 tour “Another Link In The Chain.” Nor was their ever an issue with Stevie doing her songs from “Tusk” or “Mirage” on her solo tours. Yes, I realize they have since reunited and subsequently gone their separate ways again, but it’s still just a song. What next? Are we going to be pissed that Bob Welch and Billy Burnette continued playing “Oh Well” as solo artists?

The only bad news that can be verified from Ellen is Stevie will still be yelling “And then” during the second verse of “The Chain.”

My biggest gripe is that people think they can accurately judge the new lineup by one singular performance.

[SteveMacD]

how awesome is this?????? thanks so much for digging it back out and sharing. i still regret not even knowing who he was then, and missing this tour. and The Chain?? how FANTASTIC is his solo version of The Chain? :]:]

It was a great show. I saw him opening for Tina Turner, who I also dug.

[Alison]

Amen! SteveMacD

[iamnotafraid]

My biggest gripe is that people think they can accurately judge the new lineup by one singular performance.

My biggest gripe is what they did to Lindsey.

Judging the band is easy knowing that they'll go out
as a second class act because of Stevie. And that has
nothing to do with feelings. All to do with talent.

breaker breaker 19

[SteveMacD]

My biggest gripe is what they did to Lindsey.
But we’re supposed to ignore what he did to them?

[button-lip]

Amen! SteveMacD

Wow! So many religious people here! Glad what a cover band can accomplish.

I was always a FM Rumours 5 fan. Never care very much about the rest of the musicians who were once part of the band. They’re all dead to me since the day they fired Lindsey. They have lost my respect and support. They’re not the band I used to love and admire.

Many fans here may not have called Lindsey names but they faked admiration since BuckVie and I’m still waiting for them to attend a concert. I prefer to say I don’t like someone (or blatantly hate them) instead of faking tolerance. ;)

[iamnotafraid]

But we’re supposed to ignore what he did to them?

Yes, if it's let's say more than twenty years ago.

Time to move on, time to get going, what lies
ahead we have no way of knowing.

[DownOnRodeo]

Ok, here's the thinking that was behind my breakdown of contributions to The Chain. It's mostly based on the outtakes and final cuts and live performances, rather than books or interviews, so if someone can point to credible evidence to the contrary, please correct me.

Stevie
- Lyrics to the chorus
- Title of the song <--Oops, I'd forgotten about that. That warrants bonus points.
- Harmonies on verse and echoes on chorus

Christine, John and Mick
- The elements from Keep Me There (organ; entire song in minor; etc.)
- That bass line
- Those high "still hear you saying" parts (now performed by Sharon and co.)
- Drums

Lindsey
- Bluegrass acoustic guitar (the first 30 seconds of the track, and again in the middle and throughout)
- Lyrics to the verses (I don't have proof from a book etc., but based on the outtakes I always assumed that these were pretty much provided by Lindsey. See my analysis below also.)
- Sings lead vocal on the chorus and the "running in the shadows" hooks
- Distorted guitar solo (last full minute of the song)
- Production/engineering/arrangement (with Ken etc.)
- (Edit) Isn't he even listed first among the co-writers?

Re: lyrics to the verses
- "Listen to the wind blow" etc. -- sounds like "Listen to the wind on the water" etc. to me
- "Damn this damn that" sounds like Lindsey, particularly during Rumours. Stevie has always gone on about how GYOW is too mean and crude, whereas her 'angry' songs (Silver Springs) were more classy or constructive or something
- The verse lyrics are very sparse, hence surely more Lindsey than Stevie
- The way that the verse lyrics are (IMO) a perfect fit with the bluegrass guitar made me assume that he formulated the lyrics organically while noodling, ie using his approach of "music --> lyrics", as opposed to Stevie's more usual approach of "lyrics --> music"

[DownOnRodeo]

But we’re supposed to ignore what he did to them?

What--ultimately was ethically unable to support their cocaine-addled tour of madness lest he have a mental breakdown, but yet he stuck it out for over a year in the studio through their crazy behavior to deliver them their bestselling album since Rumours (and let them use his songs and image, even appearing in a concert with them at one point)??? That's not breaking the chain in my book, unless you're Mick "I like hotel rooms" Fleetwood and touring (in grand style) is all that matters in the whole world. That's removing yourself from a chain that was not just already broken, it was wreaking damage to the members and those around them.

[Angel75]

What--ultimately was ethically unable to support their cocaine-addled tour of madness lest he have a mental breakdown, but yet he stuck it out for over a year in the studio through their crazy behavior to deliver them their bestselling album since Rumours (and let them use his songs and image, even appearing in a concert with them at one point)??? That's not breaking the chain in my book, unless you're Mick "I like hotel rooms" Fleetwood and touring (in grand style) is all that matters in the whole world. That's removing yourself from a chain that was not just already broken, it was wreaking damage to the members and those around them.

E X A C T L Y

[Angel75]

Many fans here may not have called Lindsey names but they faked admiration since BuckVie and I’m still waiting for them to attend a concert. I prefer to say I don’t like someone (or blatantly hate them) instead of faking tolerance. ;)

To be fair, concert attendance may not be a reflection on admiration for a band member or not but is likely to come down to logistical, family, financial or health considerations instead

[aleuzzi]

I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy as I see it. And before anyone hits me with the hypocrisy of how they’ve bent over backwards for Stevie, I’ve long thought she should have been shown the door years ago and/or Fleetwood Mac be put on indefinite hiatus for Buckingham Fleetwood McVie. Didn’t happen. I also get that in the years since, the oldest member rejoined and the second oldest survived a cancer scare. And, I had to accept that they’re not doing anything called Fleetwood Mac without Stevie with LBCM. There’s an urgency, now. But then, hasn’t money trumped principle in Fleetwood Mac since Peter Green wanted to give all of their money away?

That said, not a word about the abbreviated version of “Gypsy” in 2014, but it’s somehow a big deal in 2018? It wasn’t as obvious now as it was then that it was shortened for TV?

As for them playing “The Chain” or anything Lindsey was involved with…Legitimate? In all my 23 years on the FM online community, I’ve never heard of anyone having an issue with any of them playing the song until now. It wasn’t an issue with Lindsey doing it in 1993, it wasn’t an issue with Stevie and Rick doing it in 1994, and there wasn’t an issue with Fleetwood Mac calling their 94-95 tour “Another Link In The Chain.” Nor was their ever an issue with Stevie doing her songs from “Tusk” or “Mirage” on her solo tours. Yes, I realize they have since reunited and subsequently gone their separate ways again, but it’s still just a song. What next? Are we going to be pissed that Bob Welch and Billy Burnette continued playing “Oh Well” as solo artists?

The only bad news that can be verified from Ellen is Stevie will still be yelling “And then” during the second verse of “The Chain.”

My biggest gripe is that people think they can accurately judge the new lineup by one singular performance.

Fans would be more generous if the band’s first foot forward wasn’t anemic covers of classic material. If they’d done something unusual or adventurous—or played a new song—I’d have respected their effort, even if I didn’t like the result (and I might have liked it). But instead, they’ve done what they’ve often done, which is the least amount of work possible. If they’re going to be called a new band, act like one. Citing the conservative approach of previous new lineups as they started isn’t going to cut it this time. The band made a bold move by firing Lyndsey/hiring Mike and Neil: their approach to music making should reflect this. They lost a real opportunity on Ellen. But their decision was sadly predictable.

[bombaysaffires]

how awesome is this?????? thanks so much for digging it back out and sharing. i still regret not even knowing who he was then, and missing this tour. and The Chain?? how FANTASTIC is his solo version of The Chain? :]:]

and now i really want You Do Or You Don't on the Anthology tour. it's on the collection so there's some hope! :nod:

This is The Time is fantastic live... needs beefier drums (Lindsey and drums!!) but it cranks live.

[BombaySapphire3]

Fans would be more generous if the band’s first foot forward wasn’t anemic covers of classic material. If they’d done something unusual or adventurous—or played a new song—I’d have respected their effort, even if I didn’t like the result (and I might have liked it). But instead, they’ve done what they’ve often done, which is the least amount of work possible. If they’re going to be called a new band, act like one. Citing the conservative approach of previous new lineups as they started isn’t going to cut it this time. The band made a bold move by firing Lyndsey/hiring Mike and Neil: their approach to music making should reflect this. They lost a real opportunity on Ellen. But their decision was sadly predictable.

Wow I'm used to all the Lindsays but this is the very first time I have seen Lyndsey:]

[HomerMcvie]

Wow I'm used to all the Lindsays but this is the very first time I have seen Lyndsey:]

He was fantastic in The Bionic Woman.

[BombaySapphire3]

He was fantastic in The Bionic Woman.

Yep along with Stevie Austin.

[HomerMcvie]

Yep along with Stevie Austin.

And his bionic tambourine. He could jingle that thing like a mother ******!

[jbrownsjr]

Yep along with Stevie Austin.

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

[aleuzzi]

Wow I'm used to all the Lindsays but this is the very first time I have seen Lyndsey:]

Wow—that’s what was extrapolated from my post—the where’s Waldo misspelling. Fun!

[jbrownsjr]

Wow—that’s what was extrapolated from my post—the where’s Waldo misspelling. Fun!

You poets think you can make your own language!! :laugh::wavey:

[jmn3]

You poets think you can make your own language!! :laugh::wavey:

You wouldn’t say that to Bob Dylan!

[Buster]

Steve, I agree with many of your points. The old band has had many dud TV performances, as have Stevie solo and BM. And it’s very possible (and likely) that this band will be much stronger/better live.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t suck and that they missed an opportunity to really come out swinging.

However, I think The Chain is sacred. Clearly more than the band does. I didn’t know Lindsey sang it on solo tours but I think that’s a shame. I didn’t like it when the post-Tango band sang it either.

The song is the heart and anchor of Rumours and the closest FM has to a full band song. No one standing out. And it’s highly personal.

I don’t like when it’s covered by anyone, from Melissa Etheridge in Queen Latifah show to Harry Styles.

Same with this new FM. The song means nothing to Finn/Campbell. And it showed with the awkwardness/no chemistry.

Moreover, I absolutely think it showed zero respect for the many diehard fans who have stood by this band and who are highly disappointed (understatement) by what has happened. To introduce themselves, they chose the one song that defines Rumours 5 the most. It was a crass, thoughtless move.

If they wanted to open with a song that shows the new band as a whole and that everyone knows, they should’ve chosen Don’t Stop.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree, Buster. I think it was thoughtless. They just didn't think about it. They went through the motions.

[FuzzyPlum]

Steve, I agree with many of your points. The old band has had many dud TV performances, as have Stevie solo and BM. And it’s very possible (and likely) that this band will be much stronger/better live.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t suck and that they missed an opportunity to really come out swinging.

However, I think The Chain is sacred. Clearly more than the band does. I didn’t know Lindsey sang it on solo tours but I think that’s a shame. I didn’t like it when the post-Tango band sang it either.

The song is the heart and anchor of Rumours and the closest FM has to a full band song. No one standing out. And it’s highly personal.

I don’t like when it’s covered by anyone, from Melissa Etheridge in Queen Latifah show to Harry Styles. I think it is disrespectful.

Same with this new FM. The song means nothing to Finn/Campbell. And it showed with the awkwardness/no chemistry.

Moreover, I absolutely think it showed zero respect for the many diehard fans who have stood by this band and who are highly disappointed (understatement) by what has happened. To introduce themselves, they chose the one song that defines Rumours 5 the most. It was a crass, thoughtless move.

If they wanted to open with a song that shows the new band as a whole and that everyone knows, the should’ve chosen Don’t Stop.


I think people seem to be under the impression these people have some sort of degree of sentimentality. Perhaps they once did... a long time ago.
Somebody questioned in a thread (bwboy???) whether critics of the current incarnation actually like the band. That has to be a good question. I'd say its possible to be a fan of the music but its increasingly becoming difficult to be a fan of the people. I once idolized all of them. Over the years I've come to realize they are all deeply flawed in character.

[jeets2000]

That said, not a word about the abbreviated version of “Gypsy” in 2014, but it’s somehow a big deal in 2018? It wasn’t as obvious now as it was then that it was shortened for TV?

I'm not sure what the big deal is? People like the solo and missed it during this performance. No one HAD to acknowledge that it was missing during the 2014 Today Show performance because Lindsey was still in the band and it wasn't a risk that the solo might not be a part of future gigs. Will it be played in future gigs with Neil and Mike? Yeah, probably. But then again, lots of folks acknowledged that in the "Fleetwood Mac on Ellen" thread.

Yeah, I didn't hear Lindsey's "Lightning strikes, maybe once, maybe twice," but maybe this was a condensed version to fit into the TV time, and Neil will sing it on their tour.

Why TF is Mike playing keyboards on Gypsy? They definitely need more keyboard players on stage...

I HATE $tevie'$ singing on the bridge of Gypsy.

I'd guess they dropped the guitar solo at the end, because Lindsey OWNS that f*cking solo. Anyone else playing it is a charlatan and a thief(yes, I realize it was probably dropped for TV time).

I expect that might have to do with television show time constraints on how long the performances could be. We'll see what happens at the iheartradio gig coming up and at the tour shows.

I watched it. Gypsy actually sounded a lot like it always does, minus Lindsey’s guitar solo and harmonies I thought it was fine. Maybe it was because of TV they cut it but I am thinking it might be permanent. It identifies to closely to him in my opinion. I agree with another poster that Gypsy sounds better on her solo tours

[jbrownsjr]

I'm not sure what the big deal is? People like the solo and missed it during this performance. No one HAD to acknowledge that it was missing during the 2014 Today Show performance because Lindsey was still in the band and it wasn't a risk that the solo might not be a part of future gigs. Will it be played in future gigs with Neil and Mike? Yeah, probably. But then again, lots of folks acknowledged that in the "Fleetwood Mac on Ellen" thread.

So what you're saying is: People here did acknowledge it was probably due to TV. :lol:

[bombaysaffires]

Steve, I agree with many of your points. The old band has had many dud TV performances, as have Stevie solo and BM. And it’s very possible (and likely) that this band will be much stronger/better live.

That doesn’t mean they didn’t suck and that they missed an opportunity to really come out swinging.

However, I think The Chain is sacred. Clearly more than the band does. I didn’t know Lindsey sang it on solo tours but I think that’s a shame. I didn’t like it when the post-Tango band sang it either.

The song is the heart and anchor of Rumours and the closest FM has to a full band song. No one standing out. And it’s highly personal.

I don’t like when it’s covered by anyone, from Melissa Etheridge in Queen Latifah show to Harry Styles.

Same with this new FM. The song means nothing to Finn/Campbell. And it showed with the awkwardness/no chemistry.

Moreover, I absolutely think it showed zero respect for the many diehard fans who have stood by this band and who are highly disappointed (understatement) by what has happened. To introduce themselves, they chose the one song that defines Rumours 5 the most. It was a crass, thoughtless move.

If they wanted to open with a song that shows the new band as a whole and that everyone knows, they should’ve chosen Don’t Stop.

I think people seem to be under the impression these people have some sort of degree of sentimentality. Perhaps they once did... a long time ago.
Somebody questioned in a thread (bwboy???) whether critics of the current incarnation actually like the band. That has to be a good question. I'd say its possible to be a fan of the music but its increasingly becoming difficult to be a fan of the people. I once idolized all of them. Over the years I've come to realize they are all deeply flawed in character.


Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

[HomerMcvie]

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

I agree. They(especially $he) knew exactly what they were doing. F.U. indeed. #douches

[secondhandchain]

I can bet you that it was LB's idea to piece all those songs together. Tambourine Ho just loves sticking in the knife. I should have listened to you Homer. She's the WORST. Why don't do Frozen Love? I can write Stevie's self important speech:

"This song was played for Mick when he was checking out studios to record a new album. A certain someone who was asked to join the band refused unless they asked me. I always hated that story because it made him seem more important and more talented then me. Guess who had the last laugh? I got him fired!!!! I think all of your collective consciousness was thrown out into the world and got that nasty bad man canned! And I thank all of you from the bottom of my fairy heart. Also just to let you know, I will be re recording EVERY Fleetwood Mac song that that bad man produced so it can be heard in the two note range it was written! I'll be playing all the instruments!!! Anyway let's get this party startedddddd!!!!!"

[Nathan]

I can bet you that it was LB's idea to piece all those songs together. Tambourine Ho just loves sticking in the knife. I should have listened to you Homer. She's the WORST. Why don't do Frozen Love? I can write Stevie's self important speech:

"This song was played for Mick when he was checking out studios to record a new album. A certain someone who was asked to join the band refused unless they asked me. I always hated that story because it made him seem more important and more talented then me. Guess who had the last laugh? I got him fired!!!! I think all of your collective consciousness was thrown out into the world and got that nasty bad man canned! And I thank all of you from the bottom of my fairy heart. Also just to let you know, I will be re recording EVERY Fleetwood Mac song that that bad man produced so it can be heard in the two note range it was written! I'll be playing all the instruments!!! Anyway let's get this party startedddddd!!!!!"

Is it acceptable to be calling people hoes now?

There is an "e" a the end of that word, by the way...

Is this how people get through life? They don't like the way things turn out, so they sneer and whine and call people ugly names?

[aleuzzi]

You poets think you can make your own language!! :laugh::wavey:

Gurrrrrl, I have made up more words than I can count. :laugh:

But let's face it--people (others, not you and me and a few others) should face facts: the new lineup is being criticized by sensible people because, quite frankly, they aren't acting like a new lineup at all. They are doing as little as necessary to "carry on" and make money and bamboozle masses of people into seeing their next tour.

If Mick is going to tout the new lineup as relevant and if some stubborn and/or delusional fans are going to defend the new lineup, then the actual band as it exists right now needs to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT--ie: new music, a new approach to well-worn material. The new blood need to make their mark, and the veterans need to step up their game. Stretch, expand, grow. All of that comes with "new lineup"/ "new" band.

That ain't happening here.

The emperor's new clothes reveal just how lame and bloated the emperor actually is.

Or something like that.

[Nathan]

But let's face it--people (others, not you and me and a few others) should face facts: the new lineup is being criticized by sensible people because, quite frankly, they aren't acting like a new lineup at all. They are doing as little as necessary to "carry on" and make money and bamboozle masses of people into seeing their next tour.

Fair enough, and I don't completely disagree.

Although, I do think that "sensible people" should be able to voice their criticism without calling people bitches or hoes or attacking their physicality.

Maybe that makes me weak-minded in the eyes of some but I think what's truly weak-minded is a person being a whiny baby because they don't like what's happening in a band of musicians that they've never met, and having to call people ugly name$ becau$e of it.

Not you, but others.

[lovethemac1]

Fair enough, and I don't completely disagree.

Although, I do think that "sensible people" should be able to voice their criticism without calling people bitches or hoes or attacking their physicality.

Maybe that makes me weak-minded in the eyes of some but I think what's truly weak-minded is a person being a whiny baby because they don't like what's happening in a band of musicians that they've never met, and having to call people ugly name$ becau$e of it.

Not you, but others.

Nathan, you can't really comment on what I feel like, what I don't like, and what the band means to me. You have no clue.

So to call me whiny because I am frustrated with what they have done, is unfair. Where else do FM fans get to sit around and shoot the s**t about their feelings of their band? And to certainly vent frustration about what we are feeling.

It sounds to me like you are on all these threads with your whiny questions about WHY WHY WHY?

[Nathan]

Nathan, you can't really comment on what I feel like, what I don't like, and what the band means to me. You have no clue.

So to call me whiny because I am frustrated with what they have done, is unfair. Where else do FM fans get to sit around and shoot the s**t about their feelings of their band? And to certainly vent frustration about what we are feeling.

It sounds to me like you are on all these threads with your whiny questions about WHY WHY WHY?

Didn’t you just say in another thread that you had “cried like a baby” because of your disdain for the new Fleetwood Mac?

I think by your own admission then, you are in fact a whiny baby.

And based on that, I do have a clue about how you feel and what Fleetwood Mac means to you.

I was also not talking to you or about you in the post above. “Weak-minded” was a reference to something in another thread. So if you identified with something in my post, that’s on you.

Lastly, shooting the **** about a band does not have to include calling it’s members bitches or hoes or any other slur.

[Alison]

I agree with you, Nathan. So tired of the crude name calling and certain people taking over the ledge forums, and bullying other people. This has become such a negative place to hang out now. Not enjoyable. But I'm sure I will be called things and criticised for what I just wrote. This use to be the place to hang for me when life got hard, now it's just depressing. Life just got harder for me, as in one hour I will find out if my grown son has cancer, my mom was just diagnosed with lung cancer in July and has few months to live. I thought coming here would be a stress reliever, but it is causing stress. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this, but if they speak up they will be attacked.
So I will leave the Ledge for those who want to rule it, and hope one day it will become a friendly place again.
Peace out!

[Buster]

Fair enough, and I don't completely disagree.

Although, I do think that "sensible people" should be able to voice their criticism without calling people bitches or hoes or attacking their physicality

Totally agree

[Buster]

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awarended.

I agree. By thoughtless, I meant not showing consideration of their fans.

[secondhandchain]

Nathan the "ho" was on purpose. It's kind of like not spelling a curse word correctly. I'm sorry you don't like it but the tambourine witch (is that better?) deserves everything she gets right now.

[aleuzzi]

Fair enough, and I don't completely disagree.

Although, I do think that "sensible people" should be able to voice their criticism without calling people bitches or hoes or attacking their physicality.

Maybe that makes me weak-minded in the eyes of some but I think what's truly weak-minded is a person being a whiny baby because they don't like what's happening in a band of musicians that they've never met, and having to call people ugly name$ becau$e of it.

Not you, but others.

Yeah, I stay out of that stuff. I am Just an opinionated fan who’s frustrated with the band.

[Angel75]

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

I DO AGREE....I think it was a calculated move too, they had many other songs to choose particularly Christine's....and chose not to. Not a coincidence

[iamnotafraid]

...
Is this how people get through life? They don't like the way things turn out, so they sneer and whine and call people ugly names?

Sounds like you're talking about Democrats.

[secondhandchain]

Sounds like you're talking about Democrats.

Why the F are you making this political??????????? I could say the SAME thing about the last election. You are obsessed. Go over to Fox news and comment if you are in that much of need to discuss it. UGH!

[elle]

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno.

Absolutely!

and everyone who thinks that is not the case, must not really be a fan of either FM, SN or LB or does not know how to pick up on social clues. because hardcore fans of this band are well aware of their dynamic and this is plain as day.

and yes, what you said about trolls! don't @ us. we all know it's true, and if you argue this point you are just trolling.

[elle]

face facts: the new lineup is being criticized by sensible people because, quite frankly, they aren't acting like a new lineup at all. They are doing as little as necessary to "carry on" and make money and bamboozle masses of people into seeing their next tour.

If Mick is going to tout the new lineup as relevant and if some stubborn and/or delusional fans are going to defend the new lineup, then the actual band as it exists right now needs to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT--ie: new music, a new approach to well-worn material. The new blood need to make their mark, and the veterans need to step up their game. Stretch, expand, grow. All of that comes with "new lineup"/ "new" band.

That ain't happening here.

The emperor's new clothes reveal just how lame and bloated the emperor actually is.

Or something like that.

exactly. Ellen show performance exposed this. and no amount of yelling "double standard!!" will change that.

if you still don't acknowledge this, after the blandest possible performance of those two Rumours 5 classic songs that were so obviously specifically chosen because they have Lindsey stamp all over them, then either you are blind or you don't want to see it.

[elle]

shooting the **** about a band does not have to include calling it’s members bitches or hoes or any other slur.

it doesn't and shouldn't, i agree.

same as it shouldn't involve calling people you are talking to whiny babies and weak-minded.

[iamnotafraid]

Why the F are you making this political??????????? I could say the SAME thing about the last election. You are obsessed. Go over to Fox news and comment if you are in that much of need to discuss it. UGH!


You're too easy.

[Nathan]

it doesn't and shouldn't, i agree.

same as it shouldn't involve calling people you are talking to whiny babies and weak-minded.

Weak minded is a phrase that was introduced by a moderator recently in another thread. Maybe review a few more recent posts before trying to point out hypocrisy on my part.

Weak minded was also meant as a not-so-subtle jab at me. All I’ve done is suggest that perhaps what’s actually the weak minded position is to call people bitches and hoes or to think that doing so is funny.

And I haven’t called any one person a whiny baby. But if someone admits that they “cried like a baby,” and then whines about the goings on in Fleetwood Mac, I don’t know - you can draw your own conclusions from that, I guess.

[Nathan]

I agree with you, Nathan. So tired of the crude name calling and certain people taking over the ledge forums, and bullying other people. This has become such a negative place to hang out now. Not enjoyable. But I'm sure I will be called things and criticised for what I just wrote. This use to be the place to hang for me when life got hard, now it's just depressing. Life just got harder for me, as in one hour I will find out if my grown son has cancer, my mom was just diagnosed with lung cancer in July and has few months to live. I thought coming here would be a stress reliever, but it is causing stress. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this, but if they speak up they will be attacked.
So I will leave the Ledge for those who want to rule it, and hope one day it will become a friendly place again.
Peace out!

Wow, sorry to hear about your trouble.

It is definitely a little negative here over the past few months but I too hope that can change. The Ledge has always been known for a certain level of acerbicness but it does seem to have now devolved into something else.

I hope things go okay with your son.

[Nathan]

You're too easy.

Kind of seems like you’re trolling people. :shrug:

[iamnotafraid]

Kind of seems like you’re trolling people. :shrug:

You don't think that person was more than a little
over the top with their response to what I wrote?

He/she and one other always cry a little too loud.

[secondhandchain]

You're too easy.

We are inundated with it ALL day. Do you not agree? Don't you want to just not hear about it for two G damn seconds? I know I do. For the love of God I am begging you, not to get into politics on this board.

[secondhandchain]

You don't think that person was more than a little
over the top with their response to what I wrote?

He/she and one other always cry a little too loud.

Nope I'm not over the top. Like I said I hear about politics these days WAY too much. I need a break sometimes as we all do.

[lovethemac1]

Didn’t you just say in another thread that you had “cried like a baby” because of your disdain for the new Fleetwood Mac?

I think by your own admission then, you are in fact a whiny baby.

And based on that, I do have a clue about how you feel and what Fleetwood Mac means to you.

I was also not talking to you or about you in the post above. “Weak-minded” was a reference to something in another thread. So if you identified with something in my post, that’s on you.

Lastly, shooting the **** about a band does not have to include calling it’s members bitches or hoes or any other slur.

Did you not know that "cried like a baby" is a saying? Yes, I cried, not ashamed to admit that.

No, I did not admit to being a whiny baby. You are "thinking" incorrectly.

And I have never called anyone a "ho" or a "bitch."

[DownOnRodeo]

You are "thinking" incorrectly.

:laugh::xoxo:

[SteveMacD]

Well said, both of you.

I would possibly disagree however, that the choice of The Chain was thoughtless.

I think it was done with full awareness.

I think it was meant as a F. U. to a certain someone. Whether from the band to him or just from Stevie (and Mick?) I dunno. And before the troll sh*tshow starts, no, I can't PROVE it. I just feel it, and given the above mentioned deeply flawed characters involved, it seems very plausible to me. If you don't agree, well, it's a free country.

See, this is the type of drama that seems completely unnecessary to interject into the conversation. I can guarantee you that they weren’t thinking of Lindsey when they picked The Chain.

Just from a practical perspective, The Chain is one of their better known songs, it features the voices together, has brief male lead vocals, and has a blazing guitar solo. Perfect way to show the new male lead vocalist and the new lead guitarist within the context of the band.

[bwboy]

See, this is the type of drama that seems completely unnecessary to interject into the conversation. I can guarantee you that they weren’t thinking of Lindsey when they picked The Chain.

Just from a practical perspective, The Chain is one of their better known songs, it features the voices together, has brief male lead vocals, and has a blazing guitar solo. Perfect way to show the new male lead vocalist and the new lead guitarist within the context of the band.

I agree with everything you said. For a band with 3 vocalists the Chain is the perfect song to showcase the new lineup. Not to mention, it's a killer song, a crowd pleaser, and was featured recently in a huge movie. The idea that they performed it as some sort of vendetta against Lindsey is typical of some people's mindset against Fleetwood Mac. It's not like they performed Big Love or Never Going Back Again.

[bwboy]

I agree with you, Nathan. So tired of the crude name calling and certain people taking over the ledge forums, and bullying other people. This has become such a negative place to hang out now. Not enjoyable. But I'm sure I will be called things and criticised for what I just wrote. This use to be the place to hang for me when life got hard, now it's just depressing. Life just got harder for me, as in one hour I will find out if my grown son has cancer, my mom was just diagnosed with lung cancer in July and has few months to live. I thought coming here would be a stress reliever, but it is causing stress. I know I'm not the only one who feels like this, but if they speak up they will be attacked.
So I will leave the Ledge for those who want to rule it, and hope one day it will become a friendly place again.
Peace out!

Alison, I hope you know that there are people here praying for you and your family.

[Feather Blade]

I agree with everything you said. For a band with 3 vocalists the Chain is the perfect song to showcase the new lineup. Not to mention, it's a killer song, a crowd pleaser, and was featured recently in a huge movie. The idea that they performed it as some sort of vendetta against Lindsey is typical of some people's mindset against Fleetwood Mac. It's not like they performed Big Love or Never Going Back Again.

Also, "the chain" of the band as an entity isn't broken. It soldiers on as it has for many decades. No snide messages there.

[jeets2000]

See, this is the type of drama that seems completely unnecessary to interject into the conversation. I can guarantee you that they weren’t thinking of Lindsey when they picked The Chain.

Just from a practical perspective, The Chain is one of their better known songs, it features the voices together, has brief male lead vocals, and has a blazing guitar solo. Perfect way to show the new male lead vocalist and the new lead guitarist within the context of the band.

A "guarantee" about the song choice decision-making process -- a process you certainly were not involved in. Who's being dramatic now? :wavey:

I think the song choice was deliberate and made with Lindsey in mind. You have to put yourself in their shoes. This is the band that called the 94/95 tour, the "Another Link in the Chain" tour. It seems like "The Chain" has come to symbolize, at least in Mick's mind, the many links in this band's complicated story rather than a binding force keeping the Rumours 5 together. It sucks because I have to imagine that is a minority view among fans.

Plus, SteveMacD is right, it does showcase the new guys, which in and of itself is kind of a bold strategy... Given everyone's reaction around here, I don't think it paid off. :laugh:

[jwd]

There is something seriously wrong with you.

:laugh:

The real question is "who really did break the chain?" Lindsey? FM? Or maybe the supplemental links of Neil and Mike signified that "The Chain" was never really broken at all. :shrug: