Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him?

[secret love]

I was one of the first to say I was looking forward to seeing the new sextuplet line up. It was new and exciting and enticing. Then they did a few interviews, my interest piqued.

All the anticipation - stupidly bought a ticket I won't be able to afford airfare for unless I get a new job or win the lottery. To Sacramento show, where I saw Stevie solo two years before.

Now, lately, I keep thinking how stupid they (and most people think they is Mick and Stevie but we don't know for certain how involved the McVies were) were. The Rumours 5 put on a spectacular show in Sydney in late 2015. I am so happy I got to see them for what I was sure at the time would not be the last time. How wrong I was.

I'm not one to get involved in the I Stand With Lindsey movement. The band made a decision I disagree with, there are conflicting accounts publicly and only they (the band) know the real story.

But what they did was unfair to a man who had done so much for them.
I will miss him.

[lovethemac1]

There are definitely 2 groups, those that feel excited and interested to see the "new group," and those that are angry/sad/ disappointed with the band for firing Lindsey.

I land firmly in the second group. So much so, that when I unexpectedly heard "Go Your Own Way" in a store suddenly, it felt like a physical punch in the gut. The sadness that washed over me was tangible, and heavy and deep. My eyes welled up, and I felt anguish similar to a death.

For me, this is the death of the most important musical group in my life. The group that was the backdrop to my entire life. Through teenage years, school, university, marriage, babies, divorce, remarriage, etc, etc.

When someone says that "I should just get over it," it is no different to me than a solid loss in my life.

When someone says "It's only a band," it hasn't been to me.

I am definitely a Lindsey fan, I will definitely miss him. For those that are non Lindsey fans and miss him, I feel your pain and will never minimize it for you. Grieve on, my friends.

[mylittledemon]

For me, this is the death of the most important musical group in my life. The group that was the backdrop to my entire life. Through teenage years, school, university, marriage, babies, divorce, remarriage, etc, etc.


My sentiments exactly... minus the babies and remarriage part. ;)

[fleetwoodguy79]

There are definitely 2 groups, those that feel excited and interested to see the "new group," and those that are angry/sad/ disappointed with the band for firing Lindsey.

I land firmly in the second group. So much so, that when I unexpectedly heard "Go Your Own Way" in a store suddenly, it felt like a physical punch in the gut. The sadness that washed over me was tangible, and heavy and deep. My eyes welled up, and I felt anguish similar to a death.

For me, this is the death of the most important musical group in my life. The group that was the backdrop to my entire life. Through teenage years, school, university, marriage, babies, divorce, remarriage, etc, etc.

When someone says that "I should just get over it," it is no different to me than a solid loss in my life.

When someone says "It's only a band," it hasn't been to me.

I am definitely a Lindsey fan, I will definitely miss him. For those that are non Lindsey fans and miss him, I feel your pain and will never minimize it for you. Grieve on, my friends.

Our paths are identical. :) This band has been the emotional support system in my life, especially when those you're supposed to count on weren't there.

Music speaks to people in different ways. The band didn't speak to me before or after Lindsey, only when Lindsey was with them. The emotional tapestry that he painted on ALL of Fleetwood Mac's work is what I will miss the most. It just does not resonate the same.

[mitzo]

I will miss Lindsey's remarkable production on the band's recordings. And his role in the band as a whole onstage. I agree fully with everyone who says he was integral to the sound and success of FM over many years. But unlike many, I gave up on any new FM music fifteen or so years ago. Regardless of whose fault it might be, the five were NEVER recording as a team again. So we have lived with oldies tours for ages, and for me it doesn't really matter who is in the lineup, I do not go to the shows. The last I saw was Unleashed almost ten years ago.

[StevieandChris]

Nope. Not anymore.

[BLY]

Like many...Fleetwood Mac is the soundtrack of my life. I will not be seeing them on this tour. (my 2nd favorite band is Crowded House) and as much as I love Neil it’s not working for me. 2013 was my last MAC tour and will be the last time I will see them. New music and lots of energy. 1978-2013 not so bad. See you in November Mr. Buckingham.

[WatchChain]

I was drawn to the music of Fleetwood Mac as a child of the 1970's. I began buying their music at a tender age, and my mother took me to see The Rumours Tour when I was 7 years old. The Rumours lineup IS the definitive Fleetwood Mac for me. While I do have great appreciation for the Bob Welch recordings, The Mac for ME is Lindsey, Stevie, Mick, John and Chris. The 5 of them together create a magic that is unparalleled.

I have ALWAYS been drawn to Stevie Nicks and I am a huge fan of her solo work. Though I toss out my fair share of jokes regarding her persona, Stevie was the goddess of my childhood. Watching Stevie belt out "Sara" on the Tusk tour still gives me goosebumps nearly 40 years later. She has always been my favorite member--hands down.

All of this being said, Fleetwood Mac is NOTHING without Lindsey Buckingham. I was there in the audience for the 1987-1990 Tours, and I can tell you first hand that the magic was gone-no shame on Billy and Rick--it just DID NOT WORK. I did not feel that magic again until 1997, which was like being BORN AGAIN for a Mac fan.

It's extremely sad that the band has chosen to end its legacy in this manner. I'm still stunned. I have not purchased tickets to the 2018/2019 Tour. I have attended every Fleetwood Mac tour since 1977 (I even suffered through the dreadful karaoke "Time" tour), so this will be the first time that I'm sitting out. Oh, I know my absence won't make a bit of difference, the tour will make plently of cash. I simply cannot, in good conscience, financially support the firing of Lindsey Buckingham. Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are outstanding musicians, but this isn't Fleetwood Mac. Moreover, the audience filled with casual suburban fans isn't my scene. I wish them well, but I'll spend my $600 on a product of substance and credibility.

[Steviegirl]

I was drawn to the music of Fleetwood Mac as a child of the 1970's. I began buying their music at a tender age, and my mother took me to see The Rumours Tour when I was 7 years old. The Rumours lineup IS the definitive Fleetwood Mac for me. While I do have great appreciation for the Bob Welch recordings, The Mac for ME is Lindsey, Stevie, Mick, John and Chris. The 5 of them together create a magic that is unparalleled.

I have ALWAYS been drawn to Stevie Nicks and I am a huge fan of her solo work. Though I toss out my fair share of jokes regarding her persona, Stevie was the goddess of my childhood. Watching Stevie belt out "Sara" on the Tusk tour still gives me goosebumps nearly 40 years later. She has always been my favorite member--hands down.

All of this being said, Fleetwood Mac is NOTHING without Lindsey Buckingham. I was there in the audience for the 1987-1990 Tours, and I can tell you first hand that the magic was gone-no shame on Billy and Rick--it just DID NOT WORK. I did not feel that magic again until 1997, which was like being BORN AGAIN for a Mac fan.

It's extremely sad that the band has chosen to end its legacy in this manner. I'm still stunned. I have not purchased tickets to the 2018/2019 Tour. I have attended every Fleetwood Mac tour since 1977 (I even suffered through the dreadful karaoke "Time" tour), so this will be the first time that I'm sitting out. Oh, I know my absence won't make a bit of difference, the tour will make plently of cash. I simply cannot, in good conscience, financially support the firing of Lindsey Buckingham. Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are outstanding musicians, but this isn't Fleetwood Mac. Moreover, the audience filled with casual suburban fans isn't my scene. I wish them well, but I'll spend my $600 on a product of substance and credibility.

Co-sign all of this. I, too, have attended every show since the 80s, often travelling for miles and spending hundreds on tickets and lodging, just to hear 'oldies.' No complaints though; I always loved every minute. My friends like to tease me because I always get nervous right before FM comes on stage, which I realize is really dumb, but I just love the band so much. On the last tour, during the "YMLF" intro, when Christine started singing, the whole arena EXPLODED, and I remember going to three shows and waiting for that very moment. It was so special, beautiful, and emotional. This new incarnation seems like the polar opposite of that. It all just makes me think,"Ew." I, too, believe that my opting out of the tour won't make any difference, but I just have no desire to see them without Lindsey. I've always loved them all, but on the past several tours, Lindsey has been my favorite. Everything about this seems wrong and nasty. :(

[StillOfTheNight]

I'll miss Lindsey, but I do have real life drama to worry about rather than getting bent out of shape over a band who's hey day happened two decades before I was born. I am excited and welcoming to the new lineup, I am praying Chris and Stevie get a few more nice songs in with Flynn doing some pre 1975 tracks. Lindsey's songs have always been my least favorite of the three writers. I understand the hurt over losing him, but I wish they'd just shut up and buy a ticket to his solo casino tour instead of trying to bleed negativity to those of us who are fine.

[button-lip]

I'll miss Lindsey, but I do have real life drama to worry about rather than getting bent out of shape over a band who's hey day happened two decades before I was born. I am excited and welcoming to the new lineup, I am praying Chris and Stevie get a few more nice songs in with Flynn doing some pre 1975 tracks. Lindsey's songs have always been my least favorite of the three writers. I understand the hurt over losing him, but I wish they'd just shut up and buy a ticket to his solo casino tour instead of trying to bleed negativity to those of us who are fine.

And you're the only one with real life drama? No, you're not. I hope people here would stop thinking they're the only ones with real life problems. We all have them. Period.

No, you don't understand the hurt since you have never been a fan. So, don't say you "understand". You don't.

You're free to go to those empty arenas as many times as you want. If you're letting other fans' opinions to affect your idea of fun, that's your problem. This is an open message board. Have fun.

[Macfan4life]

I think its wrong to divide fans as pro Lindsey and anti Lindsey. You are a Fleetwood Mac fan for lots of reasons but most important is the music. Lindsey is a HUGE part of the music. I really don't understand this thread.

[StillOfTheNight]

And you're the only one with real life drama? No, you're not. I hope people here would stop thinking they're the only ones with real life problems. We all have them. Period.

No, you don't understand the hurt since you have never been a fan. So, don't say you "understand". You don't.

You're free to go to those empty arenas as many times as you want. If you're letting other fans' opinions to affect your idea of fun, that's your problem. This is an open message board. Have fun.

I'd rather not have immature hecklers in the crowd as another thread is suggesting, no.

[button-lip]

I'd rather not have immature hecklers in the crowd as another thread is suggesting, no.

Yeah, because this is all about being immature.... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh, wait, maybe you're talking about those four people who are not answering Lindsey's calls. Yeah, really mature. Thank God they're not my thing anymore.

[StillOfTheNight]

Yeah, because this is all about being immature.... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh, wait, maybe you're talking about those four people who are not answering Lindsey's calls. Yeah, really mature. Thank God they're not my thing anymore.

I mean, he's out what else is there to talk about?
I doubt either McVie's have any ill feelings towards him. But then again, anything to demonize the whole band and put Lindsey on a pedestal, right?

[button-lip]

I mean, he's out what else is there to talk about?
I doubt either McVie's have any ill feelings towards him. But then again, anything to demonize the whole band and put Lindsey on a pedestal, right?

He is not out, he was ousted. So, there's still a lot to talk about. But who cares, right? As long as Queen Stevie has the chance to dance around her house, that's the only thing that matters.

Yeah, I'm sure everything is fine, that's why they're being so mature and are actually talking to him. Because everything is fine.

[elle]

Chris and Stevie get a few more nice songs in with Flynn doing some pre 1975 tracks.

who's Flynn?

[BombaySapphire3]

who's Flynn?

Have not you heard the olde saying "in like Flynn:shrug:

[lilyfee]

I’m a Stevie fan first so in that sense I’m interested in seeing the new band but that said, I could not make it through the Ellen clips. I haven’t bought a ticket to the new tour and I’m not sure if I’m going to. To me, Fleetwood Mac is the five band members we know and love and even though I’m not a fan of Lindsey’s personality or solo work I’m so upset about him not being in the band. I went to my first FM concert on their last tour and I was amazed at Lindsey’s energy. He was basically the star of the show. If the band had a real reason for firing Lindsey as some have implied, I’d be more inclined to side with them here but blaming his firing on scheduling issues is ridiculous. The band has really let me down.

[jbrownsjr]

I’m a Stevie fan first so in that sense I’m interested in seeing the new band but that said, I could not make it through the Ellen clips. I haven’t bought a ticket to the new tour and I’m not sure if I’m going to. To me, Fleetwood Mac is the five band members we know and love and even though I’m not a fan of Lindsey’s personality or solo work I’m so upset about him not being in the band. I went to my first FM concert on their last tour and I was amazed at Lindsey’s energy. He was basically the star of the show. If the band had a real reason for firing Lindsey as some have implied, I’d be more inclined to side with them here but blaming his firing on scheduling issues is ridiculous. The band has really let me down.

Interesting. They also blamed it on happiness, but only after the scheduling conflicts got refuted.

[jwd]

I was one of the first to say I was looking forward to seeing the new sextuplet line up. It was new and exciting and enticing. Then they did a few interviews, my interest piqued.

All the anticipation - stupidly bought a ticket I won't be able to afford airfare for unless I get a new job or win the lottery. To Sacramento show, where I saw Stevie solo two years before.

Now, lately, I keep thinking how stupid they (and most people think they is Mick and Stevie but we don't know for certain how involved the McVies were) were. The Rumours 5 put on a spectacular show in Sydney in late 2015. I am so happy I got to see them for what I was sure at the time would not be the last time. How wrong I was.

I'm not one to get involved in the I Stand With Lindsey movement. The band made a decision I disagree with, there are conflicting accounts publicly and only they (the band) know the real story.

But what they did was unfair to a man who had done so much for them.
I will miss him.

I'd say if you're a fan of The Rumours Five, you'd be lying if you said you wouldn't miss Lindsey. His touch was so integral to the sound of that configuration. You can't take him out and have THAT SOUND. I really do love all the different FM lineups over the last 50 years, but The Rumours 5 is my favorite. So for sure I'm going to miss Lindsey more than Peter, Danny, and Bob. I missed what those guys brought to the band too, but Lindsey was a contributor for so many more years than those guys. Lindsey deserved better than how he got treated.

[Nicks Fan]

For me I am on Lindsey's side and won't support the band.

I got into FM because of SN. She was the main attraction and I didn't bother with any of the solo albums from other members.

I decided to give them a try and really enjoyed Lindsey's material. It isn't all good but it isn't all bad either. I know his solo material is not exactly MOR top 40 stuff but I like that he isn't selling out just to have hits.

When he got fired I really saw some fans true colors on Facebook. They clearly only support FM if SN is in the band. I saw so many nasty comments about him and or his family. I believe his wife when she says they lied. Why would she put her credibility on the line by lying. She runs an established business and doesn't need the money or exposure that comes with FM. Yet people dump all over her for defending her husband. They call her a liar, gold digger, say she got knocked up on purpose for financial gain etc.

Then when you offer a counter point you either get attacked or they remove your posts and or block you from that group. They also bring up abuse stories from years ago or quote garbage from the "Storms" or "Gold Dust Woman" books of which no one in FM had any say in what was written.

Some of the admins in those groups are something else. They allow slanderous or vulgar comments and do nothing.

I saw a post from a guy who said something to the effect that Lindsey is a woman beater and he bashed a woman's face in. Really???? It is like for the past x amount of years they have had amnesia and suddenly his firing made them remember all the bad **** he did and hence why he deserves to be fired.

When they say Lindsey didn't want to play pre 75 material I just laugh. They had 10 years without him and did a total of 4 Peter Green songs between the 3 tours but nothing else from any other pre 75 member. They did do cover songs by other artists though.

Lindsey may not be perfect but he did a lot for this band and I dislike the people minimizing his talents or contributions to the band. He was the architect of their sound and more then once set aside solo projects to work with them. He could have said no in 85 when Mick wanted a new FM album but he chose to record with them (Doing the album mostly on his own since members were either not there or checked out mentally due to drugs etc.)

Stevie Nicks has more then once kept them waiting when they either wanted to or were recording / touring. Yet the rabid SN worshipers on Facebook won't admit that period. They defend her no matter what. I don't. I may appreciate her talent as a singer etc but I don't excuse bad behavior. Same goes for Mick. I feel Mick only does what is best for his pocket book no matter who gets hurt or how it hurts the brand of FM.

[Nicks Fan]

Some of the SN fans are nuts. There is one named Ben Davis on Facebook that posts about wanting Karen's info so he can meet SN and then makes these slanderous posts about Lindsey physically abusing SN etc. He needs help. Sadly though people allow it and encourage his nonsense. Same goes with others on there. There is another guy who spams all the groups going on about how stale the setlists were with Lindsey and that he is whiny baby etc. None of what they say is true but they don't call these crazed people on it.

The band as a whole since Tusk virtually ignored the pre 75 lineup and now all of a sudden they are gung ho to revive that material. If that is the only selling point for the new cash grab tour what does that tell you.

In my opinion at this point in their career what is the point of trotting out yet another new lineup? You have nothing new to promote and are charging big bucks to hear allot of songs we have heard done numerous times on various tours.

[button-lip]

For me I am on Lindsey's side and won't support the band.

I got into FM because of SN. She was the main attraction and I didn't bother with any of the solo albums from other members.

I decided to give them a try and really enjoyed Lindsey's material. It isn't all good but it isn't all bad either. I know his solo material is not exactly MOR top 40 stuff but I like that he isn't selling out just to have hits.

When he got fired I really saw some fans true colors on Facebook. They clearly only support FM if SN is in the band. I saw so many nasty comments about him and or his family. I believe his wife when she says they lied. Why would she put her credibility on the line by lying. She runs an established business and doesn't need the money or exposure that comes with FM. Yet people dump all over her for defending her husband. They call her a liar, gold digger, say she got knocked up on purpose for financial gain etc.

Then when you offer a counter point you either get attacked or they remove your posts and or block you from that group. They also bring up abuse stories from years ago or quote garbage from the "Storms" or "Gold Dust Woman" books of which no one in FM had any say in what was written.

Some of the admins in those groups are something else. They allow slanderous or vulgar comments and do nothing.

I saw a post from a guy who said something to the effect that Lindsey is a woman beater and he bashed a woman's face in. Really???? It is like for the past x amount of years they have had amnesia and suddenly his firing made them remember all the bad **** he did and hence why he deserves to be fired.

When they say Lindsey didn't want to play pre 75 material I just laugh. They had 10 years without him and did a total of 4 Peter Green songs between the 3 tours but nothing else from any other pre 75 member. They did do cover songs by other artists though.

Lindsey may not be perfect but he did a lot for this band and I dislike the people minimizing his talents or contributions to the band. He was the architect of their sound and more then once set aside solo projects to work with them. He could have said no in 85 when Mick wanted a new FM album but he chose to record with them (Doing the album mostly on his own since members were either not there or checked out mentally due to drugs etc.)

Stevie Nicks has more then once kept them waiting when they either wanted to or were recording / touring. Yet the rabid SN worshipers on Facebook won't admit that period. They defend her no matter what. I don't. I may appreciate her talent as a singer etc but I don't excuse bad behavior. Same goes for Mick. I feel Mick only does what is best for his pocket book no matter who gets hurt or how it hurts the brand of FM.

Thanks for your input, Nicks Fan! :thumbsup:

Love that you've given Lindsey's solo stuff a try. You won't regret it. :woohoo:

Many so-called FM fans showed their true colors when Lindsey was fired. They are offended by some comments about Stevie but have no problem doing the same with Lindsey's wife.

Many of us here know those FB group's administrators. :lol::lol: Better to avoid those groups, IMO. Anyway, you have many fans here who share the same line of thought. Stevie = Goddess and Lindsey= Abuser.

Those who minimize Lindsey's contribution to the band are not FM fans. No matter how much you dislike the guy, his contribution is undeniable. :)

[Street_Dreamer]

The band as a whole since Tusk virtually ignored the pre 75 lineup and now all of a sudden they are gung ho to revive that material. If that is the only selling point for the new cash grab tour what does that tell you.

Straight truth right there.

[SteveMacD]

The band as a whole since Tusk virtually ignored the pre 75 lineup and now all of a sudden they are gung ho to revive that material.

They did some Peter Green stuff when Rick Vito was in the band.

I think the biggest reason they want to revisit the early material is because 2018 is the 50th anniversary of their first two albums and Mick, Stevie, and John wanted to celebrate the 50 year legacy of the band, whereas Lindsey talks about the 43 year legacy of the Rumours lineup. Both are valid viewpoints.

[jbrownsjr]

Some of the SN fans are nuts.

Ummm, you think?????


Great posts Nicks fan... Agreed and wow.. I've seen some of the $ fans on Facebook and just wow. I'm embarrassed for them.

[dreamsunwind]

For me I am on Lindsey's side and won't support the band.

I got into FM because of SN. She was the main attraction and I didn't bother with any of the solo albums from other members.

I decided to give them a try and really enjoyed Lindsey's material. It isn't all good but it isn't all bad either. I know his solo material is not exactly MOR top 40 stuff but I like that he isn't selling out just to have hits.

When he got fired I really saw some fans true colors on Facebook. They clearly only support FM if SN is in the band. I saw so many nasty comments about him and or his family. I believe his wife when she says they lied. Why would she put her credibility on the line by lying. She runs an established business and doesn't need the money or exposure that comes with FM. Yet people dump all over her for defending her husband. They call her a liar, gold digger, say she got knocked up on purpose for financial gain etc.

Then when you offer a counter point you either get attacked or they remove your posts and or block you from that group. They also bring up abuse stories from years ago or quote garbage from the "Storms" or "Gold Dust Woman" books of which no one in FM had any say in what was written.

Some of the admins in those groups are something else. They allow slanderous or vulgar comments and do nothing.

I saw a post from a guy who said something to the effect that Lindsey is a woman beater and he bashed a woman's face in. Really???? It is like for the past x amount of years they have had amnesia and suddenly his firing made them remember all the bad **** he did and hence why he deserves to be fired.

When they say Lindsey didn't want to play pre 75 material I just laugh. They had 10 years without him and did a total of 4 Peter Green songs between the 3 tours but nothing else from any other pre 75 member. They did do cover songs by other artists though.

Lindsey may not be perfect but he did a lot for this band and I dislike the people minimizing his talents or contributions to the band. He was the architect of their sound and more then once set aside solo projects to work with them. He could have said no in 85 when Mick wanted a new FM album but he chose to record with them (Doing the album mostly on his own since members were either not there or checked out mentally due to drugs etc.)

Stevie Nicks has more then once kept them waiting when they either wanted to or were recording / touring. Yet the rabid SN worshipers on Facebook won't admit that period. They defend her no matter what. I don't. I may appreciate her talent as a singer etc but I don't excuse bad behavior. Same goes for Mick. I feel Mick only does what is best for his pocket book no matter who gets hurt or how it hurts the brand of FM.

Very well put, I agree with almost every single word and feel the same way.

[lovethemac1]

For me I am on Lindsey's side and won't support the band.

I got into FM because of SN. She was the main attraction and I didn't bother with any of the solo albums from other members.

I decided to give them a try and really enjoyed Lindsey's material. It isn't all good but it isn't all bad either. I know his solo material is not exactly MOR top 40 stuff but I like that he isn't selling out just to have hits.

When he got fired I really saw some fans true colors on Facebook. They clearly only support FM if SN is in the band. I saw so many nasty comments about him and or his family. I believe his wife when she says they lied. Why would she put her credibility on the line by lying. She runs an established business and doesn't need the money or exposure that comes with FM. Yet people dump all over her for defending her husband. They call her a liar, gold digger, say she got knocked up on purpose for financial gain etc.

Then when you offer a counter point you either get attacked or they remove your posts and or block you from that group. They also bring up abuse stories from years ago or quote garbage from the "Storms" or "Gold Dust Woman" books of which no one in FM had any say in what was written.

Some of the admins in those groups are something else. They allow slanderous or vulgar comments and do nothing.

I saw a post from a guy who said something to the effect that Lindsey is a woman beater and he bashed a woman's face in. Really???? It is like for the past x amount of years they have had amnesia and suddenly his firing made them remember all the bad **** he did and hence why he deserves to be fired.

When they say Lindsey didn't want to play pre 75 material I just laugh. They had 10 years without him and did a total of 4 Peter Green songs between the 3 tours but nothing else from any other pre 75 member. They did do cover songs by other artists though.

Lindsey may not be perfect but he did a lot for this band and I dislike the people minimizing his talents or contributions to the band. He was the architect of their sound and more then once set aside solo projects to work with them. He could have said no in 85 when Mick wanted a new FM album but he chose to record with them (Doing the album mostly on his own since members were either not there or checked out mentally due to drugs etc.)

Stevie Nicks has more then once kept them waiting when they either wanted to or were recording / touring. Yet the rabid SN worshipers on Facebook won't admit that period. They defend her no matter what. I don't. I may appreciate her talent as a singer etc but I don't excuse bad behavior. Same goes for Mick. I feel Mick only does what is best for his pocket book no matter who gets hurt or how it hurts the brand of FM.

From a fellow Canadian, you summed my feelings up here as well.

Thank you!

Are you going to see Lindsey in Kingston?

[secondhandchain]

From last year. Christine said "Lindsey left for about 3 years" Can anyone get their facts straight in this band? More like 10!!! Also girl needs to get new choppers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFV15oGtNfc

[Street_Dreamer]

They did some Peter Green stuff when Rick Vito was in the band.

I think the biggest reason they want to revisit the early material is because 2018 is the 50th anniversary of their first two albums and Mick, Stevie, and John wanted to celebrate the 50 year legacy of the band, whereas Lindsey talks about the 43 year legacy of the Rumours lineup. Both are valid viewpoints.

Sorry but I don't buy into the idea that Mick, Stevie and John suddenly wanted to start doing deep cuts from Danny, Bob Weston or Dave Walker to celebrate the band's 50th anniversary. Further, as I mentioned in another thread, Fleetwood Mac is Mick and John's band. You can't tell me that Lindsey, Stevie or anyone else would override them if they wanted to play Oh Well, Hypnotized, Bare Trees or Tell Me All The Things You Do. And if that's what they wanted to do, they should have brought Billy and/or Rick back into the fold, two guys who were in the band and have performed Fleetwood Mac classics in their solo career.

[SteveMacD]

Sorry but I don't buy into the idea that Mick, Stevie and John suddenly wanted to start doing deep cuts from Danny, Bob Weston or Dave Walker to celebrate the band's 50th anniversary.

Rolling Stone: Aug. 28, 2017 (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/the-last-word-mick-fleetwood-on-fleetwood-macs-dirty-laundry-bands-future-110414/)
—
Are you thinking at all about the set list yet? Will it be very different than the last tour?

Yeah. I was in Italy recently and met Stevie out there. Actually, she was in Capri and I was close to there. She said to me, “Let’s sit down and really listen to some stuff that sort of almost got forgotten.” So I know she’s already thinking she wants to do some things we haven’t done in years. I always think that Stevie and Lindsey should do a Buckingham Nicks song in the set. And have Christine should do a blues song. I hope it certainly won’t be the same show as we did before. We always played nearly three hours, and we cut it back a little bit for the wear and tear, but we do over two hours. And when you got three singers, which is, like, three bands, really, to get that perfect set, it’s a trip.
—

As for bringing back Billy, I doubt he’s up for it, while Rick doesn’t seem especially interested in it.

[Nicks Fan]

From a fellow Canadian, you summed my feelings up here as well.

Thank you!

Are you going to see Lindsey in Kingston?


You mean Kitchener. I want to go but I have no way to get there as I don't drive for medical reasons.

[Nicks Fan]

The other thing I was going to say is the hypocrisy of the fans on Facebook. They say it is a group and the "group fired him" then when you talk about the group not doing pre 75 material they go off saying things that suggest Lindsey has the power to stop them from doing that material. He doesn't. Mick is the only founding member left and if he wanted to do older material he would have.

Correct me if I am wrong but when they did the Peter Green material on the 87-90 tours wasn't it only because Rick insisted on it?

[Nicks Fan]

They did some Peter Green stuff when Rick Vito was in the band.

I think the biggest reason they want to revisit the early material is because 2018 is the 50th anniversary of their first two albums and Mick, Stevie, and John wanted to celebrate the 50 year legacy of the band, whereas Lindsey talks about the 43 year legacy of the Rumours lineup. Both are valid viewpoints.

You are right but my point was that FM had at that time 20 years of material to chose from and they did a total of 4 PG songs on the two tours 87-88 and 90. They did nothing from any OTHER member pre 75. If Mick really cared about those guys he would have done songs by them. The fact is he was happy doing whatever as long he was making money. Because SN has demanded they do this stuff for the new tour he is doing it and NOT because he wants to.

This tour is nothing more then a cash grab. If they end up doing a new CD it will only be because SN wants to stick it to Lindsey.

It amazes me how many fans give Mick a pass time and again for his behavior. What would have to happen before the worshipers say "I think that is too much" or " I am drawing the line here and can't support that kind of behavior" etc.

One person on Facebook said they sounded "Fresh" at Iheart. WTH. They sounded good but fresh???? There was nothing remotely fresh about that. They played hits they have done before in the same way. Nothing more nothing less.

I would also say that allot of the people acting all excited about hearing pre 75 material likely never cared for that material before and probably don't even own any material from FM that dates before 75. I own almost all the FM albums and even have solo 45's from Bob Welch and Danny Kirwan etc.

[nicepace]

... Oh Well, Hypnotized, Bare Trees, or Tell Me All The Things You Do ...

Examples of songs that will result in lines at the bathrooms and beer stands if they are performed. For every fan who knows and loves the Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Bob Welch, and pre-1975 Christine songs, there are many, many more who just "want to hear the hits." My feeling is that the band might start the tour including a handful of these ancient songs, but as they observe the lack of a response from the crowds, they will pare them down to one song, probably "Oh Well."

[lovethemac1]

You mean Kitchener. I want to go but I have no way to get there as I don't drive for medical reasons.

My apologies, I meant Kitchener. I have a very close friend in Kingston so it was on the brain.
I’m sorry you are not going. I hope you didn’t think I was prying.

[sodascouts]

I assumed they'd do more pre-75 songs to fill the gap left by the Lindsey songs but now that they've done "Second Hand News," I wonder if they're planning on doing more of his songs as well. If so, there won't be that much room for all these obscure oldies.

I think we'll get four, tops... and probably not that many. If they drop some or most of them, I doubt they'll replace them with anything - I bet they'll just shorten the setlist.

[bombaysaffires]

The Heartbreakers have done Oh Well in their set before so it would appear Mike is likely a fan, and already plays it well. It is the most widely-known and is upbeat (unlike say Green Manalishi, though I love that too). What else? Rattlesnake Shake is raucous and fun but how many know it is another story

Round that out with 1 Neil song (and the Queen has already indicated she likes singing the "Hey now, hey now bit" and 1 Heartbreakers song (besides Stop Draggin) and that's probably it. People of a certain age will recognize DDIO but not sure about younger fans (born after 1990). I can just hear some of the younger/newer/casual fans going "Wow I didn't know this was a FM song!!"

[nicepace]

I think we'll get four, tops...

Great idea! While they're doing the cover band thing, they can play "Bernadette," "It's the Same Old Song," "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch." And maybe they can get the backing vocalists to do some cool synchronized dance steps.

[jbrownsjr]

You are right but my point was that FM had at that time 20 years of material to chose from and they did a total of 4 PG songs on the two tours 87-88 and 90. They did nothing from any OTHER member pre 75. If Mick really cared about those guys he would have done songs by them. The fact is he was happy doing whatever as long he was making money. Because SN has demanded they do this stuff for the new tour he is doing it and NOT because he wants to.

This tour is nothing more then a cash grab. If they end up doing a new CD it will only be because SN wants to stick it to Lindsey.

It amazes me how many fans give Mick a pass time and again for his behavior. What would have to happen before the worshipers say "I think that is too much" or " I am drawing the line here and can't support that kind of behavior" etc.

One person on Facebook said they sounded "Fresh" at Iheart. WTH. They sounded good but fresh???? There was nothing remotely fresh about that. They played hits they have done before in the same way. Nothing more nothing less.

I would also say that allot of the people acting all excited about hearing pre 75 material likely never cared for that material before and probably don't even own any material from FM that dates before 75. I own almost all the FM albums and even have solo 45's from Bob Welch and Danny Kirwan etc.

Will you marry me? I'm gay, but still. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Great idea! While they're doing the cover band thing, they can play "Bernadette," "It's the Same Old Song," "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch." And maybe they can get the backing vocalists to do some cool synchronized dance steps.

Neil and Marylin could do “Separate Lives.”

What? We were all thinking it.

[Feather Blade]

I'd love to hear some of Bob's songs again, but after Christine and the RRHOF thing, I wonder if that is at all a possibility.

[FuzzyPlum]

I'd love to hear some of Bob's songs again, but after Christine and the RRHOF thing, I wonder if that is at all a possibility.

Now that both Bob and Wendy have passed I don't see why the RRHOF thing would be an issue. Principles don't seem to be a strong point with this band so if they are looking to mine the back catalogue as a 50 year tribute to the previous line-ups then why not? Actually Neil's voice probably lends itself quite well to Sentimental Lady. Its a pretty well known song so I could see it going down quite well at concerts.

[Storms123]

I'd love to hear some of Bob's songs again, but after Christine and the RRHOF thing, I wonder if that is at all a possibility.

Anything is on the table with this bunch. Scruples are NOT their strong suit

[HomerMcvie]

Anything is on the table with this bunch. Scruples are NOT their strong suit

Of their fanbase,WHAT percentage are going to know Bob Welch songs? 5%? I'd guess less than that.

[Storms123]

Of their fanbase,WHAT percentage are going to know Bob Welch songs? 5%? I'd guess less than that.

100% agree with you --by the end of this tour--I am willing to bet this set list is pretty close to the OWTS Set list, with a little Crowded House and TPH thrown in for good measure.

[SteveMacD]

Of their fanbase,WHAT percentage are going to know Bob Welch songs? 5%? I'd guess less than that.

I still hear “Hypnotized” and his solo version of “Sentimental Lady” on the radio. I don’t know that people realize that’s Fleetwood Mac, though. Neil said they worked on “Hypnotized” a while back. Could happen, but I won’t be surprised either way.

[bombaysaffires]

Now that both Bob and Wendy have passed I don't see why the RRHOF thing would be an issue. Principles don't seem to be a strong point with this band so if they are looking to mine the back catalogue as a 50 year tribute to the previous line-ups then why not? Actually Neil's voice probably lends itself quite well to Sentimental Lady. Its a pretty well known song so I could see it going down quite well at concerts.

None of them can duplicate that fingerpicking on the hit version of that song, and oh, btw, that's Lindsey playing it. He produced/arrranged it for Bob (whether he's credited on the album or not-- I forget now). How ironic if they do it again-- screwing over two former guitarists with one song, Bob and Lindsey.

[SteveMacD]

None of them can duplicate that fingerpicking on the hit version of that song, and oh, btw, that's Lindsey playing it. He produced/arrranged it for Bob (whether he's credited on the album or not-- I forget now). How ironic if they do it again-- screwing over two former guitarists with one song, Bob and Lindsey.

Or, they could do the “Bare Trees” version.

[jbrownsjr]

I still hear “Hypnotized” and his solo version of “Sentimental Lady” on the radio. I don’t know that people realize that’s Fleetwood Mac, though. Neil said they worked on “Hypnotized” a while back. Could happen, but I won’t be surprised either way.

I heard Sentimental Lady, yesterday.

[BombaySapphire3]

Or, they could do the “Bare Trees” version.

and then screw over Bob and Danny:shrug: God rest their souls.

[FuzzyPlum]

Or, they could do the “Bare Trees” version.


Or they could just do a whole new version. Isn't that the point of playing an old song- to rejuvenate it, put your stamp on it and give it a new, contemporary lease of life? I'm sure if they wanted to Neil and Mike have the ability between them to create something worthwhile that doesn't just try to re-tread the BW solo version.

[FuzzyPlum]

and then screw over Bob and Danny:shrug: God rest their souls.


Whilst its downright offensive they never honoured Danny while he was alive, and they only ever played Bob Welch material in the first couple of years, I'm not sure it would really be screwing them over to play their music now in death. How is it screwing them over?

[louielouie2000]

It will probably surprise a lot of people on here when I say this, but Lindsey's FM songs largely leave me flat. It's his work on Christine & Stevie's tunes that garners my love & respect for him. On Tusk especially he elevated songs like Brown Eyes and Beautiful Child beyond the mantle of simple pop/rock. Oddly enough the only Lindsey FM songs I truly love are the Tango In The Night title track & You And I, Part I... which didn't even make the Tango album :laugh:. Now his solo work on the other hand fascinates me. Which is so totally opposite of the case for me when it comes to Stevie- I love her FM contributions, but her solo works are mostly garbage to me.

So will I miss Lindsey in FM? Of course. His stage energy & purity of artistic motives are what will be missed the most. Not to mention Lindsey's phenomenal guitar playing. Not just the energy of his playing, but his style of playing... that whole mystical Spanish-style thing he morphed into from 1997 onwards. Go Insane from the Dance is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He ended up sprinkling little bits of that style into most of FM's live performances over the past 20 years, and I thought it was truly magical.

As far as what this new iteration of FM does or doesn't do... at this point I don't really care. I think they became fully dead to me when I heard they added Second Hand News to their setlist. Not only had they fired the architect of the sound that brought them fame... but they straight up mocked him by playing that song. Shameful. But as Mick would say, onwards & upwards. At least I have the huge back catalogue of FM & solo works to drown myself in. Lately I've been exploring Peter Green & Bob Welch's solo albums... it's been a nice diversion from the toxic caricature FM has become.

[louielouie2000]

Or they could just do a whole new version. Isn't that the point of playing an old song- to rejuvenate it, put your stamp on it and give it a new, contemporary lease of life? I'm sure if they wanted to Neil and Mike have the ability between them to create something worthwhile that doesn't just try to re-tread the BW solo version.

Something like this is perhaps the only thing that could pique my interest in this lineup. I think a good example from the band's history is how Brown Eyes was added to the Tango tour. Brown Eyes isn't a song you'd think would ever translate to stage... but the way Rick & Billy reinterpreted it in the vein of Peter Green was purely genius, and oh-so sultry.

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[jbrownsjr]

^^^^^ Love this!!

You and I part I is a BuckVie tune (Buckingham/McVie)
I do love the production as much as you do. Tango is a gem. I listen to the remaster in my car and he did amazing work. Nice contrast to Tusk and no where near Rumours.


I loved what Billy and Rick did with their live sets. Both tours. Christine actually had a solo and she was very very keyboard driven. Especially, on the BTM tour.

I guess toward the end it was getting tired or they weren't into it.
But, the shows I saw were off the charts good.

[David]

You are right but my point was that FM had at that time 20 years of material to chose from and they did a total of 4 PG songs on the two tours 87-88 and 90.Oh Well, I Loved Another Woman, Stop Messing Round, and Rattlesnake Shake, right?

They did nothing from any OTHER member pre 75. If Mick really cared about those guys he would have done songs by them. Agreed. The Rumours configuration either rehearsed or performed a bunch of older stuff—some of it worked and some of it didn't. But they at least tried.


Oh Well
Green Manalishi
Hypnotized
Tell Me All the Things You Do
Child of Mine
Sunny Side of Heaven
Spare Me a Little
Station Man
Believe Me
Why

and maybe some others, like Prove Your Love (which Chris once said in a 1982 interview that the band "ran through" a bunch of times)

I would also say that a lot of the people acting all excited about hearing pre 75 material likely never cared for that material before Agreed again!

[SteveMacD]

This tour is nothing more then a cash grab. If they end up doing a new CD it will only be because SN wants to stick it to Lindsey.

Or, Stevie will feel comfortable enough with the current situation.

I would also say that allot of the people acting all excited about hearing pre 75 material likely never cared for that material before and probably don't even own any material from FM that dates before 75. I own almost all the FM albums and even have solo 45's from Bob Welch and Danny Kirwan etc.

I can only speak for myself, but I’ve been wanting the early years stuff for decades.

[BombaySapphire3]

Whilst its downright offensive they never honoured Danny while he was alive, and they only ever played Bob Welch material in the first couple of years, I'm not sure it would really be screwing them over to play their music now in death. How is it screwing them over?

I was referring to what another poster said earlier in the thread.Don't take it too seriously.

[aleuzzi]

Oh Well, I Loved Another Woman, Stop Messing Round, and Rattlesnake Shake, right?

Agreed. The Rumours configuration either rehearsed or performed a bunch of older stuff—some of it worked and some of it didn't. But they at least tried.


Oh Well
Green Manalishi
Hypnotized
Tell Me All the Things You Do
Child of Mine
Sunny Side of Heaven
Spare Me a Little
Station Man
Believe Me
Why

and maybe some others, like Prove Your Love (which Chris once said in a 1982 interview that the band "ran through" a bunch of times)

Agreed again!

I had no idea the band ran through “Prove Your Love” in rehearsals! I would love to hear them as they worked on it.

[jbrownsjr]

I had no idea the band ran through “Prove Your Love” in rehearsals! I would love to hear them as they worked on it.

That would be amazing to hear some of this older stuff!

[iamnotafraid]

I'm not one to get involved in the I Stand With Lindsey movement...

But what they did was unfair to a man[/B] who had done so much for them.

I will miss him.

Why not? I am not sure where Chuck Schumer* stands
considering the fact that Lindsey is a man (a Democrat),
but Stevie is a woman (so they say). So who would he
choose? Right now if I had to guess, he'd go with Stevie.
Which for me means I'll go with team Lindsey. I base
that on Stevie's past and not actually lying Schumer.

What that means is she looks out for number one. And
she also doesn't have a good handle on the truth. We
all can agree on that.

How many times do they have to stab Lindsey in the
back for most of us to take Lindsey's side? Stevie's
lies and sleeping with every other man she meets.
What do I base that on? Lindsey's words. Something
like fidelity's not her strong suit. Mick also turned
the knife in Lindsey's back. Why not sleep with Stevie?
How could that hurt the band?

I won't miss Lindsey with the band because I consider
him lucky to be out. Why would you spend your so
called twilight years with a group of people like that?



Using certain people* to make a point isn't wrong?
Just for entertainment purposes peeps.

[FuzzyPlum]

Why not? I am not sure where Chuck Schumer* stands
considering the fact that Lindsey is a man (a Democrat),
but Stevie is a woman (so they say). So who would he
choose? Right now if I had to guess, he'd go with Stevie.
Which for me means I'll go with team Lindsey. I base
that on Stevie's past and not actually lying Schumer.

What that means is she looks out for number one. And
she also doesn't have a good handle on the truth. We
all can agree on that.

How many times do they have to stab Lindsey in the
back for most of us to take Lindsey's side? Stevie's
lies and sleeping with every other man she meets.
What do I base that on? Lindsey's words. Something
like fidelity's not her strong suit. Mick also turned
the knife in Lindsey's back. Why not sleep with Stevie?
How could that hurt the band?

I won't miss Lindsey with the band because I consider
him lucky to be out. Why would you spend your so
called twilight years with a group of people like that?



Using certain people* to make a point isn't wrong?
Just for entertainment purposes peeps.



a) I think you are making a negative comment about Stevie regarding the number of men she's slept with. Whilst she's not my favourite and I pretty much despise her attitude these days, I more so despise misogynistic attitudes. I don't see what the numbers of men she has slept with has to do with anything. I'd hypothesize the vast majority of the men she's slept with have slept with many more women than she has men. Indeed I'd hazard a guess most of her partners have probably slept with many, many, many more women. Has she slept with every other man she's ever met? No. But so what?

b) In general, I'm not quite sure what most of your post here is on about. I understand there's some sort of political reference, but in general its all rather Greek.

[sodascouts]

Agreed. There's no reason to bring in Stevie's former romantic relationships here. Her treatment of Lindsey has nothing to do with that. The only former relationship that's relevant here is the one between Stevie and Lindsey.

[jbrownsjr]

Unless you want to talk about how many people Christine slept with, Mick slept with, John, Lindsey, Richard, Ken.. etc...

Can't really point the finger at just her for this one. You'd better be pointing all four of your fingers and some thumbs.

[bombaysaffires]

Uh.....no one in this band is a saint. Stevie's relationships are more publicly known because she's dated famous people and she's blabbed in interviews and/or in her songs about them. Lindsey has had his fair share but he's mostly kept quiet about them, although he's been with some....'unique' women let's say. Even how he met his wife is somewhat cloaked in intrigue. Chris too has had relationships, but she's been quiet. She was NOT the one who outed her relationship with Curry for example. The only relationships we actually know about were John, Dennis, and her second husband Eddie. Clearly she was in a relationship that inspired a lot of the songs on In The Meantime but other than saying that she didn't elaborate. Mick's been married 3 times, had an affair with Stevie, had an affair with Sara while having an affair with Stevie, I mean...... what's your point? None of this has anything to do with the topic of how badly the band conducted its band business. :distress:

[iamnotafraid]

a) I think you are making a negative comment about Stevie regarding the number of men she's slept with. Whilst she's not my favourite and I pretty much despise her attitude these days, I more so despise misogynistic attitudes. I don't see what the numbers of men she has slept with has to do with anything...

b) In general, I'm not quite sure what most of your post here is on about. I understand there's some sort of political reference, but in general its all rather Greek.


The times she's slept with men just has to do
with how many times Lindsey has had to put
up with her. Remember he brought up her
fidelity issues in an interview I heard years
ago. I'm sure others have heard it. It wasn't
about judging her for just sleeping with others.
And more to do with Stevie and the other
members of FM hurting Lindsey in so many
ways.

The Schumer thing was just me rambling on
(in Greek it seems) about whats been happening
these past months and this week in particular
with the #metoo movement. Chuck playing
the woman card this week because he cares
about women (right?). I won't go further
because of politics. At least naming certain
people. Wouldn't want anyone's head to
explode.

My point is, in this environment it's easy
to give Stevie a pass and blame everything
on Lindsey. No matter what he's been through.

Since none of us know what really went down
we make our choices blindly. It's a fun read to
see what we come up with.

[bombaysaffires]

Stevie and Lindsey broke up in 1976 Who she slept with after that is none of Lindsey's business.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie and Lindsey broke up in 1976 Who she slept with after that is none of Lindsey's business.

Even though she was apparently in some form of Olympic competition...:sorry:

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=iamnotafraid;1237716]Why not? I am not sure where Chuck Schumer* stands
considering the fact that Lindsey is a man (a Democrat),
but Stevie is a woman (so they say). So who would he
choose? Right now if I had to guess, he'd go with Stevie.
Which for me means I'll go with team Lindsey. I base
that on Stevie's past and not actually lying Schumer.

What that means is she looks out for number one. And
she also doesn't have a good handle on the truth. We
all can agree on that.

How many times do they have to stab Lindsey in the
back for most of us to take Lindsey's side? Stevie's
lies and sleeping with every other man she meets.
What do I base that on? Lindsey's words. Something
like fidelity's not her strong suit. Mick also turned
the knife in Lindsey's back. Why not sleep with Stevie?
How could that hurt the band?

I won't miss Lindsey with the band because I consider
him lucky to be out. Why would you spend your so
called twilight years with a group of people like that?


Way to make this about your hate of a political party. You always find a way! BTW I come here to get away from it, and if you continue I will report. Is my head exploding? You bet it is. Did we just NOT endure another whole day of ugly political happenings bombarding us from everywhere? Yes we did, and I do not want to hear about it here.

[iamnotafraid]

1. Way to make this about your hate of a political party. You always find a way!

2. BTW I come here to get away from it, and if you continue I will report.

3. Is my head exploding? You bet it is. Did we just NOT endure another whole day of ugly political happenings bombarding us from everywhere? Yes we did, and I do not want to hear about it here.


Cleverly editing your responses again? Why'd you remove Democrat?

1.
My response was tied in to what just happens to be going on in our
country right now. Lindsey and Stevie just happen to be living it out.

2.
Are you in third grade? Report me if you must.

3.
If you didn't want to hear about it here you would give equal time
to the others that bring up President Trump and Judge Kavanaugh
in derogatory ways. Happens all the time. It's a way of life here.

Life goes on.

[HomerMcvie]

This really ISN'T the forum for politics, and I too, don't want to read about them here.

Not even picking sides here, but it IS against the rules.

Please take that stuff elsewhere.

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=iamnotafraid;1237768]Cleverly editing your responses again? Why'd you remove Democrat?

1.
My response was tied in to what just happens to be going on in our
country right now. Lindsey and Stevie just happen to be living it out.

2.
Are you in third grade? Report me if you must.

3.
If you didn't want to hear about it here you would give equal time
to the others that bring up President Trump and Judge Kavanaugh
in derogatory ways. Happens all the time. It's a way of life here.



I did Not see any posts herei on that subject except yours. Yes I edit it because I realized I was getting political myself, I just want it ended. Why is it that hard for you don’t understand? Don’t you want to freaking break from it sometimes?

[secondhandchain]

Also you should just be happy these days , you’ve got both houses , you’ve got the presidency and now you will have the supreme court, gay marriage will soon be banned and roe versus Wade will be overturned… I even saw A poll Republicans want the next election to be postponed if Trump says so. He’s told you to stop watching football, to stop watching movies , only trust media that likes him (What you are reading isn’t happening….Yeah he said that) and writes the most insulting things about people and you are eating it up. We will soon be completely authoritarian… I bet you don’t like when I’m saying do you? How about if everyone did that on this board? Not fun.

[sue]

Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him ?
Well, I like Lindsey, I like Stevie ...I am a Fleetwood Mac fan.
I do miss him, but I’ll miss him more when the tour starts.
I’ll miss his over-thought interview answers, he can be so funny..(unintentionally)
I’ll miss clips showing him racing round the stage, like a Dervish..
I’ll miss that Energy, I’ll miss the guitar playing and musicality of the man.

I’ll just miss him and so will they.

[sodascouts]

Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him ?
Well, I like Lindsey, I like Stevie ...I am a Fleetwood Mac fan.
I do miss him, but I’ll miss him more when the tour starts.
I’ll miss his over-thought interview answers, he can be so funny..(unintentionally)
I’ll miss clips showing him racing round the stage, like a Dervish..
I’ll miss that Energy, I’ll miss the guitar playing and musicality of the man.

I’ll just miss him and so will they.

Amen! Well said!

[lovethemac1]

Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him ?
Well, I like Lindsey, I like Stevie ...I am a Fleetwood Mac fan.
I do miss him, but I’ll miss him more when the tour starts.
I’ll miss his over-thought interview answers, he can be so funny..(unintentionally)
I’ll miss clips showing him racing round the stage, like a Dervish..
I’ll miss that Energy, I’ll miss the guitar playing and musicality of the man.

I’ll just miss him and so will they.

So very, very true.

[jbrownsjr]

Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him ?
Well, I like Lindsey, I like Stevie ...I am a Fleetwood Mac fan.
I do miss him, but I’ll miss him more when the tour starts.
I’ll miss his over-thought interview answers, he can be so funny..(unintentionally)
I’ll miss clips showing him racing round the stage, like a Dervish..
I’ll miss that Energy, I’ll miss the guitar playing and musicality of the man.

I’ll just miss him and so will they.

You always make sense, Sue. :xoxo:

[sue]

You always make sense, Sue. :xoxo:


Thanks, sweetie...😘😘

[jwd]

Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him ?
Well, I like Lindsey, I like Stevie ...I am a Fleetwood Mac fan.
I do miss him, but I’ll miss him more when the tour starts.
I’ll miss his over-thought interview answers, he can be so funny..(unintentionally)
I’ll miss clips showing him racing round the stage, like a Dervish..
I’ll miss that Energy, I’ll miss the guitar playing and musicality of the man.

I’ll just miss him and so will they.


If it's possible, I think they'll miss him more. Nice post Sue. I like what you're saying here.

[button-lip]

Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him ?
Well, I like Lindsey, I like Stevie ...I am a Fleetwood Mac fan.
I do miss him, but I’ll miss him more when the tour starts.
I’ll miss his over-thought interview answers, he can be so funny..(unintentionally)
I’ll miss clips showing him racing round the stage, like a Dervish..
I’ll miss that Energy, I’ll miss the guitar playing and musicality of the man.

I’ll just miss him and so will they.

I'll miss him racing around the stage, that's for sure. It was what made people stand up and dance. :thumbsup:


If it's possible, I think they'll miss him more. Nice post Sue. I like what you're saying here.

But they will never tell, of course. Kids. :shrug:

[jwd]

But they will never tell, of course. Kids. :shrug:

Only the degree of Stevie's mentionitis will tell. But the real deal will come when Mike goes back to The Heartbreakers and Neil figures out that he has more fun and gratification when he's playing with his son or his brother, leaving FM without a guitarist, AGAIN! :angel:

[Storms123]

Only the degree of Stevie's mentionitis will tell. But the real deal will come when Mike goes back to The Heartbreakers and Neil figures out that he has more fun and gratification when he's playing with his son or his brother, leaving FM without a guitarist, AGAIN! :angel:

I can't wait for her to start in on "Lindsey and I joined"..... "I wrote this when Lindsey and I"....... Or when she throws in a heartfelt Landslide dedication to him. And yes, I can totally see her doing it. SHe's that spacey.

[jbrownsjr]

I can't wait for her to start in on "Lindsey and I joined"..... "I wrote this when Lindsey and I"....... Or when she throws in a heartfelt Landslide dedication to him. And yes, I can totally see her doing it. SHe's that spacey.

Exactly! she's become all ego and very little substance. She won't blink an eye while doing that. Because it's always about her.

[Storms123]

Exactly! she's become all ego and very little substance. She won't blink an eye point that. Because it's always about her.

And I do believe she knows she’s taking the bulk of the heat for what went down. Karen can only hide so much from her. She needs to make herself look good to all of the FM fans who might not like her too much anymore. :shrug: an insensitive but well placed Landslide dedication could do the trick (in her world)

[gldstwmn]

3.
If you didn't want to hear about it here you would give equal time
to the others that bring up President Trump and Judge Kavanaugh
in derogatory ways.

My one liner about the judge was in regards to misogyny not politics. It was a timely reference. Just mentioning someone's name does not a political discussion make. I wish I could say good things about either of those two. Trump's probably a decent golfer. :o
So you're saying you think some event from long ago is the reason for Lindsey's ouster from Fleetwood Mac?
And to the original question posed in this thread yes I will miss Lindsey. I still can't believe he is gone for good. None of this feels permanent to me. In wouldn't say I'm a non Lindsey fan either. Stevie was always the main draw for me.

[Nicks Fan]

From a fellow Canadian, you summed my feelings up here as well.

Thank you!

Are you going to see Lindsey in Kingston?


So things worked out and I can go. I got a VIP ticket.

[KenshiMaster16]

"Absence makes the heart grow fonder."

I wouldn't say I'm a Lindsey fan per say as I don't like most of his early solo work, but I am seeing him this month in support of him and his anthology album because the man is a living musical genius. With that said though, I do miss him in the band and I think the band will eventually too.

Whether its now or 5 years from now, they will miss each other and likely will do something together again, I'm sure of it. Lindsey was too big a part of their lives to say goodbye to forever. It's been proven already in history and I have no doubt it'll be proven again. Now whether that means he rejoins the band, I cannot say and I wouldn't bet on it either. But as for whether or not they reconcile or potentially work together again in some fashion? That I'll happily bet on.

[lovethemac1]

So things worked out and I can go. I got a VIP ticket.

Get out!!! That’s awesome! Congratulations. :wavey:

[David]

But the real deal will come when Mike goes back to The Heartbreakers and Neil figures out that he has more fun and gratification when he's playing with his son or his brother, leaving FM without a guitarist, AGAIN! :angel: This is coming down the turnpike. I feel it. The two new guys are fighting an uphill battle, and it's a battle they aren't even especially passionate about.

[jwd]

This is coming down the turnpike. I feel it. The two new guys are fighting an uphill battle, and it's a battle they aren't even especially passionate about.

I'm glad someone backed me up on that. Coming from you is especially important. Cause most times :laugh: you know what you're talking about and have a good feel of the Mac World. You know the history and all. But I do feel that this may be the last tour and then it will be over. Stevie will go solo, Mike will regroup with the Heartbreakers, Neil will go back to the Finns, John will retire, Christine will rejoin LB, and Mick will keep swinging his balls whichever way the wind blows them. :D

[StevieandChris]

Well also just given the ages of the rest of the band members, this is not going to be a prolonged engagement. My guess is a UK/Australia/New Zealand tour the summer and fall of 2019 following the conclusion of the US tour, and some kind of release with new material — maybe not a full album but some other reissue with a few new songs in 2020 and then John and Christine will retire in 2021-2023. Stevie, Mick, Mike and Neil will continue making music in other configurations.

[Sugar Mouse]

Last night's concert in Chicago was incredible. The new lineup is getting better with each show. Of course, they miss Lindsey but Neil/Mike did a great job last night. Neil is looking for comfortable and energetic and Mike is such a monster with the guitar. It's a different band now, but still fantastic.

And Lindsey is doing his solo thing which may be the best thing for him. He's such a creative force and perhaps he'll be happier being the sole captain.

[HomerMcvie]

Last night's concert in Chicago was incredible. The new lineup is getting better with each show. Of course, they miss Lindsey but Neil/Mike did a great job last night. Neil is looking for comfortable and energetic and Mike is such a monster with the guitar. It's a different band now, but still fantastic.

And Lindsey is doing his solo thing which may be the best thing for him. He's such a creative force and perhaps he'll be happier being the sole captain.
You actually ENJOYED Neil's performance?

Well spank my ass and call me Nancy!

Will miracles never cease? :lol:

[RockyRaccoon]

I really regret missing out on the Buckingham McVie tour. The night they were playing in my area, I was on a cruise with my family and I'm probably the only member of my family who would have rather been at a Buckingham McVie concert than on a cruise. I thought maybe they would have done a second leg and if not that, I figured Fleetwood Mac (with Lindsey) would tour again. I hold out hope that they're open to reforming with Lindsey again after this tour ends but as they're getting up there in age, who knows if they'll tour again at all? It's just such a shame for so many reasons.

[HomerMcvie]

I really regret missing out on the Buckingham McVie tour. The night they were playing in my area, I was on a cruise with my family and I'm probably the only member of my family who would have rather been at a Buckingham McVie concert than on a cruise. I thought maybe they would have done a second leg and if not that, I figured Fleetwood Mac (with Lindsey) would tour again. I hold out hope that they're open to reforming with Lindsey again after this tour ends but as they're getting up there in age, who knows if they'll tour again at all? It's just such a shame for so many reasons.

Buck Vie was the BEST chapter in the past 30 years of FM, imo. I LOVED it, and cried at both shows I saw.

Yeah, part of the crying was realizing that the BAND OF MY ENTIRE LIFE is winding down, and approaching the end of their runways. There isn't much time left for the swan song we'd hoped for, and it sure looks like Buck Vie was it. I'm still very thankful for it.

I'd love for them to get back together after this debacle, but they're both losing their voices... what can we hope for in 2-3 years?

[secondhandchain]

Lindsey confirmed last night that his departure was all Stevie’s doing she can go to hell.

[Feather Blade]

I really regret missing out on the Buckingham McVie tour. The night they were playing in my area, I was on a cruise with my family and I'm probably the only member of my family who would have rather been at a Buckingham McVie concert than on a cruise. I thought maybe they would have done a second leg and if not that, I figured Fleetwood Mac (with Lindsey) would tour again. I hold out hope that they're open to reforming with Lindsey again after this tour ends but as they're getting up there in age, who knows if they'll tour again at all? It's just such a shame for so many reasons.

They came through my town and there were actually heavily discounted tickets available through Groupon or Living Social, but I just couldn't seem to pull the trigger on going. I think it must be because the album was so hit or miss for me. There were things I really liked, and things I thought were horrible. Add to that the Ledgie reviews around here were all over the board as well, with some people praising the performances and some saying the whole thing made them sad. I guess I'll never know now.

[secondhandchain]

You better BELIEVE they should miss him. FM doesn't have a guitarist who can play the freaking guitar like this. Not to mention his artistry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w216q-HU-GA&list=RDw216q-HU-GA&start_radio=1