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ryan4136

07-23-2018, 12:15 PM

Selling well enough to extend and fill in gaps in the tour. Those wanting this to be a disaster (myself probably included) need to come to the realization that this obviously never was going to be.

HomerMcvie

07-23-2018, 12:28 PM

Ah, good! More places that I won't be seeing them!:D

ryan4136

07-23-2018, 12:45 PM

Me neither. But maybe the childish banter can chill. Not gonna be a financial flop.

BigAl84

07-23-2018, 12:50 PM

Yeah, sounds like they added some smaller 10K seaters to make up what they lost on some of these larger venues that tanked.

HomerMcvie

07-23-2018, 01:04 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:Me neither. But maybe the childish banter can chill. Not gonna be a financial flop.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

button-lip

07-23-2018, 01:36 PM

Me neither. But maybe the childish banter can chill. Not gonna be a financial flop.

I don't keep track of the dates and venues. What cities did they add?

Yeah, like I said, they're not aware of the backlash or they don't care. :shrug:

This is what you get when you fire your musical director: more work. :p:p:p They got what they deserve.

Feather Blade

07-23-2018, 01:47 PM

Oh good! Perhaps a venue closer to me that won't involve as much travel. My game of patience on waiting to make my ticket purchase may well pay off. :thumbsup:

onlynow

07-23-2018, 07:16 PM

Selling well enough to extend and fill in gaps in the tour. Those wanting this to be a disaster (myself probably included) need to come to the realization that this obviously never was going to be.

I don't see an extension and only see two new dates in SD and MI. Is that it?

Nathan

07-23-2018, 08:23 PM

Cool! Nice to see some smaller venues on the schedule.

secondhandchain

07-24-2018, 12:10 AM

smaller venues....:]:nod::nod::nod::nod: BWAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

bwboy

07-24-2018, 05:31 AM

I was going to make a childish remark, such as "FM Will be playing smaller venues? As small as the ones Lindsey and Christine played?" But I decided not to. :lol:

button-lip

07-24-2018, 06:04 AM

smaller venues....:]:nod::nod::nod::nod: BWAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

Let’s see how the goat’s ego and pride can deal with that. Her yes people will have a hard time explaining to her that small venues are where talented people who don’t mind big and empty headed crowds usually play. She will have a hard time understanding because she doesn’t know what being talented is. :D

jbrownsjr

07-24-2018, 08:26 AM

I was going to make a childish remark, such as "FM Will be playing smaller venues? As small as the ones Lindsey and Christine played?" But I decided not to. :lol:

Why would that be childish? I like smaller venues. It's usually only $tevie and her fans that care about sales and big venues.

The BuckVie show I saw at the Greek ~ 6,000 people sold out was really amazing to see. One of the best nights of my concert going life.

I saw Christine's return for 3 of the 6 sold out shows and was much farther back. It wasn't as intimate. :mad:

HomerMcvie

07-24-2018, 09:18 AM

Let’s see how the goat’s ego and pride can deal with that. Her yes people will have a hard time explaining to her that small venues are where talented people who doesn’t mind big and empty headed crowds usually play. She will have a hard time understanding because she doesn’t know what being talented is. :D

god, I couldn't like you any more!!!!:wavey::xoxo::wavey::xoxo::wavey:

jbrownsjr

07-24-2018, 09:21 AM

god, I couldn't like you any more!!!!:wavey::xoxo::wavey::xoxo::wavey:

I'm starting to get jealous.

HomerMcvie

07-24-2018, 09:25 AM

I'm starting to get jealous.

The three of us should get a room together. :lol:

jbrownsjr

07-24-2018, 09:50 AM

The three of us should get a room together. :lol:

the would be the true Rooms On Fire scene

HomerMcvie

07-24-2018, 09:57 AM

the would be the true Rooms On Fire scene

Are your walls flaming?

jbrownsjr

07-24-2018, 10:02 AM

Are your walls flaming?

You know it's an illusion
There is no fire burning just a soul crying

button-lip

07-24-2018, 11:10 AM

god, I couldn't like you any more!!!!:wavey::xoxo::wavey::xoxo::wavey:

:xoxo::xoxo:

I'm starting to get jealous.

Don't be. I'm just a minion. A very well trained minion. :nod:

The three of us should get a room together. :lol:

That would be epic.... :angel:

StreetAngel86

07-25-2018, 05:05 AM

smaller venues....:]:nod::nod::nod::nod: BWAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

what next, they're gonna be headlining PUBS??

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nathan

08-01-2018, 01:29 AM

Nice to see some smaller markets on the schedule.

Negative hater whiny babies I’m sure will say otherwise though.

dontlookdown

08-12-2018, 03:40 PM

Let’s see how the goat’s ego and pride can deal with that. Her yes people will have a hard time explaining to her that small venues are where talented people who don’t mind big and empty headed crowds usually play. She will have a hard time understanding because she doesn’t know what being talented is. :D

Gross. If anyone can share some fan sites where the maturity level is a little higher, send some links to those of us who are here for the music and not the creepy celebrity obsessing, filling in a narrative that may not be true, speculation, etc.

If anyone thought this was going to be a financial disaster, dream on. Mike Campbell is a bulletproof solution. I'm sad that Lindsey isn't touring with the band; but I also would never want to pay for a concert that consists of people who don't want to play together. I've done that, and it makes for a really boring, uninspired tour.

Reminders for people on this board who are stuck in 1997:
None of the band members need the $$$.
They love touring.

That's the only reason this is happening. Not because of you or me -- but because this is how they want to spend their time. Not for us, not for record companies, not for bank accounts, etc.
So they may as well be happy and as tension free as they can be.

Sad for how it all played out, but it is what it is.

You never have to twist my arm to go hear Mike Campbell play. I don't care who he's sharing the stage with. And I feel the same way about Lindsey.

AncientQueen

08-12-2018, 05:12 PM

^^^I disagree. They tour because they probably had already booked venues when the Lindsey situation arised and they couldn't back out. And because Mick needs the money. Mick always needs the money. And Mike Campbell may be a bulletproof solution in the US, but maybe he is not, not every Fleetwood Mac fan likes the Heartbreakers.
In Europe he is just "who?".

gldstwmn

08-12-2018, 08:15 PM

Gross. If anyone can share some fan sites where the maturity level is a little higher, send some links to those of us who are here for the music and not the creepy celebrity obsessing, filling in a narrative that may not be true, speculation, etc.

If anyone thought this was going to be a financial disaster, dream on. Mike Campbell is a bulletproof solution. I'm sad that Lindsey isn't touring with the band; but I also would never want to pay for a concert that consists of people who don't want to play together. I've done that, and it makes for a really boring, uninspired tour.

You never have to twist my arm to go hear Mike Campbell play. I don't care who he's sharing the stage with. And I feel the same way about Lindsey.

For a new band they sure are keeping a low profile. I wish they'd give us something else to talk about. How are rehearsals going? What songs have
they been playing? Mick has a real social media presence. I wish he'd post a clip or even give an update.

gldstwmn

08-12-2018, 08:17 PM

BigAl84

08-12-2018, 08:45 PM

For a new band they sure are keeping a low profile. I wish they'd give us something else to talk about. How are rehearsals going? What songs have
they been playing? Mick has a real social media presence. I wish he'd post a clip or even give an update.

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New band....

It's called marketing. They are keeping a low profile so casual folks don't know Lindsey is MIA. Taking as much ticket money as possible before the cat is out of the bag.

gldstwmn

08-12-2018, 08:51 PM

BigAl84

08-12-2018, 08:54 PM

No, a bunch of monkeys with a microphone would actually sound better.:laugh:

HomerMcvie

08-12-2018, 09:39 PM

secondhandchain

08-12-2018, 10:10 PM

Exactly. They're staying hidden so that people won't know that it's a karaoke band now.

I keep seeing that penguin logo on FB though. Interestingly enough NO Pics of the current band. Mi$k the sheister. Can you only imagine the amount of PISSED off people there are going to be when they show up to that show and find out they have been duped?

button-lip

08-12-2018, 11:10 PM

I keep seeing that penguin logo on FB though. Interestingly enough NO Pics of the current band. Mi$k the sheister. Can you only imagine the amount of PISSED off people there are going to be when they show up to that show and find out they have been duped?

If they were so unhappy with Lindsey and they're so happy now, why there isn't any promotional pics of the happy band on the official site? Those two penguins...! :laugh::laugh:

I seriously doubt Lindsey was the promotional pics freak... :shocked::shocked:

HomerMcvie

08-12-2018, 11:22 PM

I keep seeing that penguin logo on FB though. Interestingly enough NO Pics of the current band. Mi$k the sheister. Can you only imagine the amount of PISSED off people there are going to be when they show up to that show and find out they have been duped?

Mick is a real piece of SH*T. I've never been more serious. A f*cking scumbag. I wouldn't trust him with 2 bucks.

gldstwmn

08-12-2018, 11:27 PM

I keep seeing that penguin logo on FB though. Interestingly enough NO Pics of the current band. Mi$k the sheister. Can you only imagine the amount of PISSED off people there are going to be when they show up to that show and find out they have been duped?

Oh okay. That's going to be the new meme is it? The tickets are selling but the only reason people bought them is because they didn't know what they were getting? :laugh: Somehow I think the only disappointed ones are going to be the choir on this forum that is wishing so hard for this to fail. :o

HomerMcvie

08-12-2018, 11:31 PM

secondhandchain

08-13-2018, 12:50 AM

Oh okay. That's going to be the new meme is it? The tickets are selling but the only reason people bought them is because they didn't know what they were getting? :laugh: Somehow I think the only disappointed ones are going to be the choir on this forum that is wishing so hard for this to fail. :o

Yeah well I have heard personally of people who bought tickets NOT knowing that LB left. Let's face it, we know about this because of this board. Most people have no idea LB was fired because it's not that big a story. My brother had no idea he was fired.

sasja

08-13-2018, 01:00 AM

If it is indeed true that people don't know what they are buying, then, in a sense, it'll be even more interesting-- people going to see FM and no Lindsey! How will they react?

I am fully admitting to the guilty pleasure of looking forward to shocked and dismayed tour date reports :)

AncientQueen

08-13-2018, 05:35 AM

That's where Neil Finn comes into play. I'm going to wager that they'll be one of the top tours again.
Who?
I don't know him and nobody I know knows him.

button-lip

08-13-2018, 06:01 AM

Yeah well I have heard personally of people who bought tickets NOT knowing that LB left. Let's face it, we know about this because of this board. Most people have no idea LB was fired because it's not that big a story. My brother had no idea he was fired.

I could post many pics of people on Twitter who are saying they didn’t know Lindsey was “gone”. And you have to believe them because they truly think it was his choice.

Those casual fans that are most of the time of the concert sleeping or drinking beer and wake up for GYOW, those are the ones that have no idea.

jbrownsjr

08-13-2018, 07:35 AM

Do you have a pitch pipe we could borrow?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

BigAl84

08-13-2018, 08:05 AM

My thoughts behind the whole "new band" hype that folks may be buying into..

IF they were that committed to forming a new band, why are they waiting until August to even start rehearsals? (and they have their first gig in September!)

In my opinion, it's pretty clear they are doing the bare minimum to hobble everything together for the next 8-10 months of touring. All talks of possible new music? that sure ended quick and now looks to be replaced with yet another greatest hits/box set for their 50th anniversary. Who saw that coming? LOL...

They've had plenty of time to do tons of TV appearances, interviews, record a single song.....but alas...NOTHING.

They gave Mike and Neil their homework in May - study your parts and come back in August. Put the 1987 floppy disk in the drive and reboot.

The only commitment this band has right now is to dodge the backlash they didn't see coming and pocket as much cash as they can possibly get away with using their dodgy as h*ll marketing. Literally hiding behind a cartoon penguin and keeping their mouth shut. Anyone who thinks that WASN'T a deliberate, intentional move - sorry but it absolutely was. :sorry:

BlanketMan

08-13-2018, 09:16 AM

Who?
I don't know [Neil Finn] and nobody I know knows him.

That's kinda sad to hear. As a music fanatic growing up in the 70s/80s, I got to know a ton of music from the 50s/60s. It's weird to me that a fan of FM - whose last great album ("Tango in the Night," IMO) hit the same year as Crowded House's monster debut LP hit America - doesn't know who Finn is. I'd bet that anyone who is unaware of Finn's work is no doubt missing out on a boatload of other great musicians' work from that era and earlier.

It's one thing to not care for Finn's music, but not even knowing who he is...? Ah, well, it's the world we live in, I guess. My teen-aged son is looking forward to the ELO show next weekend that we'll be attending together, but I'm sure many of his peers have no idea who Jeff Lynne is! These clueless young 'uns really need to GET OFF MY LAWN!!! :D

That's one potential positive of all this FM nonsense. By the end of this tour, Finn's work will have gotten a lot of new (and well-deserved) exposure here in the States. Being a huge fan of both Finn and LB, I'm really torn about these FM developments!

Sugar Mouse

08-13-2018, 10:34 AM

Who?
I don't know him and nobody I know knows him.

Interesting. I can't imagine how music fans wouldn't know who Neil Finn is especially as "Don't Dream It's Over" has evolved into an anthem of sorts for this current generation. Neil never garnered a ton of name recognition in the states but his bands Crowded House and Split Enz are certainly very well known around the world. Crowded House has sold 10+ million albums and have been inducted into the Australian Music Hall of Fame. They've been named Group of The Year at The Brit Awards and won 11 Aria Awards (26 nominations). His pre-Crowded House band, Split Enz, is considered one of the most influential bands of the late 70's and early 80's.

BigAl84

08-13-2018, 10:41 AM

DownOnRodeo

08-13-2018, 10:43 AM

Literally hiding behind a cartoon penguin

Depending on the fan feedback after the first few performances, maybe they will take this strategy to its logical conclusion and have Neil and Mike dress up in giant penguin costumes when on stage.

louielouie2000

08-13-2018, 01:14 PM

The only commitment this band has right now is to dodge the backlash they didn't see coming and pocket as much cash as they can possibly get away with using their dodgy as h*ll marketing. Literally hiding behind a cartoon penguin and keeping their mouth shut. Anyone who thinks that WASN'T a deliberate, intentional move - sorry but it absolutely was. :sorry:

I think they're hoping they can pull off the switch as successfully as the Tango one. After all, Lindsey's departure then was equally as abrupt, yet that tour was quite successful. Unfortunately (for them) it only lasted that one tour, though. Tango almost certainly made more money by itself than the Behind The Mask & Time tours combined. So yeah, I think they can pull off this upcoming tour without getting a whole lot of egg on their faces... but can it be sustained? I have serious doubts.

While I absolutely agree with everything in the above quoted sentiment, it's still some months until the tour starts. Typically TV appearances, magazine interviews, etc don't commence until the tour does. Are they trying to gaslight everyone through their "lay low" and hide behind the penguin mascot strategy in the meantime? Undoubtedly. It'll be interesting to see how they handle this whole thing in the press when the tour approaches. They have plenty of time to craft a winning spin after these initial gaffes... but we'll see how well that'll go over in this age of instant fact checking.

louielouie2000

08-13-2018, 01:18 PM

Interesting. I can't imagine how music fans wouldn't know who Neil Finn is especially as "Don't Dream It's Over" has evolved into an anthem of sorts for this current generation. Neil never garnered a ton of name recognition in the states but his bands Crowded House and Split Enz are certainly very well known around the world. Crowded House has sold 10+ million albums and have been inducted into the Australian Music Hall of Fame. They've been named Group of The Year at The Brit Awards and won 11 Aria Awards (26 nominations). His pre-Crowded House band, Split Enz, is considered one of the most influential bands of the late 70's and early 80's.

He was a 1 hit wonder 3 decades ago, and Rumours alone sold 4 times as many copies as his combined life's work. It's no mystery why he has no name recognition. :shrug:

Steviegirl

08-13-2018, 02:48 PM

That's kinda sad to hear. As a music fanatic growing up in the 70s/80s, I got to know a ton of music from the 50s/60s. It's weird to me that a fan of FM - whose last great album ("Tango in the Night," IMO) hit the same year as Crowded House's monster debut LP hit America - doesn't know who Finn is. I'd bet that anyone who is unaware of Finn's work is no doubt missing out on a boatload of other great musicians' work from that era and earlier.

It's one thing to not care for Finn's music, but not even knowing who he is...? Ah, well, it's the world we live in, I guess. My teen-aged son is looking forward to the ELO show next weekend that we'll be attending together, but I'm sure many of his peers have no idea who Jeff Lynne is! These clueless young 'uns really need to GET OFF MY LAWN!!! :D

That's one potential positive of all this FM nonsense. By the end of this tour, Finn's work will have gotten a lot of new (and well-deserved) exposure here in the States. Being a huge fan of both Finn and LB, I'm really torn about these FM developments!

You sound like you're raising a fine young man. :) There's nothing better than "The College of Rock and Roll Knowledge."

BlanketMan

08-13-2018, 03:21 PM

He was a 1 hit wonder 3 decades ago, and Rumours alone sold 4 times as many copies as his combined life's work. It's no mystery why he has no name recognition. :shrug:

At worst, Finn is a 2.5-hit wonder, as "Something So Strong" also hit the Top Ten in the US, while CH's "Better Be Home Soon" cracked the Top 50. And then there's the Split Enz classic, "I Got You" (which Finn wrote and sings lead), which also hit #50 and is still in regular rotation on classic alternative radio. A minor distinction, but to me there's a big difference between Neil Finn and true one-hit-wonders like Tommy friggin' Tutone! :rolleyes:

AncientQueen

08-13-2018, 03:56 PM

He was a 1 hit wonder 3 decades ago, and Rumours alone sold 4 times as many copies as his combined life's work. It's no mystery why he has no name recognition. :shrug:
Thank you!

AncientQueen

08-13-2018, 04:01 PM

Interesting. I can't imagine how music fans wouldn't know who Neil Finn is especially as "Don't Dream It's Over" has evolved into an anthem of sorts for this current generation. Anthem? How? This sappy little thing is no anthem at all. I did not even remember that I knew it until I checked it out lately. And while I was pretty much alive during the 70s/80s/90s and listened to tons of music, I forgot far superior songs.

bwboy

08-13-2018, 04:46 PM

He was a 1 hit wonder 3 decades ago, and Rumours alone sold 4 times as many copies as his combined life's work. It's no mystery why he has no name recognition. :shrug:

Since you brought it up, Lindsey only was a 1 hit wonder as a solo artist, too. And Rumours alone probably sold 4 times as many copies as his combined life's solo work, too. :shrug:

So why bring that up?

AncientQueen

08-13-2018, 04:51 PM

Since you brought it up, Lindsey only was a 1 hit wonder as a solo artist, too. And Rumours alone probably sold 4 times as many copies as his combined life's solo work, too. :shrug:

So why bring that up?But Lindsey IS a successful artist, very much so. What is YOUR point here?

bwboy

08-13-2018, 05:44 PM

But Lindsey IS a successful artist, very much so. What is YOUR point here?

According to Wikipedia, Law and Order went to #32, Go Insane to #45, Out of the Cradle to #128, Under the Skin to #80, Gift of Screws to #48, and Seeds We Sow to #45.

The poster I responded to was making the point that Lindsey as a solo artist was much more successful than Neil Finn. My point was why bother to compare the two? But if people want to compare the numbers, Lindsey as a solo artist is not that well known. More than Neil Finn? Maybe, but it's like comparing Michelle Shocked to Aimee Mann- neither one of them are that famous, so what's the point in comparing their sales?

I would guarantee you more people know Don't Dream It's Over than Trouble. Guarantee it. Does that matter? Not to me. But everything that poster made a point to say about Neil Finn applied to Lindsey, too.

HomerMcvie

08-13-2018, 06:32 PM

I think The Ledge needs a section here that's dedicated to $tevie fans only. Wouldn't that be nice?

Oh wait....:lol:

button-lip

08-13-2018, 06:35 PM

louielouie2000

08-13-2018, 06:55 PM

So why bring that up?

Lindsey has been associated with Fleetwood Mac for 43 years of its 50 year existence- he is 1/5 of the most famous lineup of this band. Fleetwood Mac songs that had his production, guitar playing, and vocals hit the Top 40 nearly 2 dozen times. Rumors is still one of the top 10 best selling albums of all time- 41 years after its release. During his tenure FM had 7 albums in the top 10- 4 of which were #1. So to suggest that Lindsey doesn’t belong in the band because his side projects flopped is ludicrous.

I was simply responding to Sugar Mouse, who has been trying to sell Finn to us for months as this miraculous living legend. I’m just not buying it. Even if he WAS, I wouldn’t give a damn. :sorry: I love my Rumours 5. They will ALWAYS be the definitive version of this band to me.

bwboy

08-13-2018, 07:50 PM

Lindsey has been associated with Fleetwood Mac for 43 years of its 50 year existence- he is 1/5 of the most famous lineup of this band. Fleetwood Mac songs that had his production, guitar playing, and vocals hit the Top 40 nearly 2 dozen times. Rumors is still one of the top 10 best selling albums of all time- 41 years after its release. During his tenure FM had 7 albums in the top 10- 4 of which were #1. So to suggest that Lindsey doesn’t belong in the band because his side projects flopped is ludicrous.

Just to be clear, I definitely wasn't suggesting that Lindsey doesn't belong in FM because his side projects flopped, and I don't think anyone else was suggesting that, either. I wasn't even saying his solo works were flops. What I was saying was that there was really no point in comparing his sales with Neil Finn's, because neither one set the sales charts on fire.

I think of all the musicians FM could have hired to replace Lindsey, Neil and Mike were very smart choices. Neil and Mike aren't polarizing like, say, Sheryl Crow or John Mayer, for example. I suppose there's somebody out there who might hate Neil or Mike, but generally they seem to have flown under the radar enough that the mention of their names doesn't provoke a strong negative reaction. They also are different enough from Lindsey that they'll bring something new to the shows, and not just try to imitate Lindsey.

I also think that somewhere down the road, Lindsey will rejoin FM. Crazier things have happened.

Storms123

08-13-2018, 08:33 PM

Just to be clear, I definitely wasn't suggesting that Lindsey doesn't belong in FM because his side projects flopped, and I don't think anyone else was suggesting that, either. I wasn't even saying his solo works were flops. What I was saying was that there was really no point in comparing his sales with Neil Finn's, because neither one set the sales charts on fire.

I think of all the musicians FM could have hired to replace Lindsey, Neil and Mike were very smart choices. Neil and Mike aren't polarizing like, say, Sheryl Crow or John Mayer, for example. I suppose there's somebody out there who might hate Neil or Mike, but generally they seem to have flown under the radar enough that the mention of their names doesn't provoke a strong negative reaction. They also are different enough from Lindsey that they'll bring something new to the shows, and not just try to imitate Lindsey.

I also think that somewhere down the road, Lindsey will rejoin FM. Crazier things have happened.

I agree with much of what is said above. Mike very well known and could likely draw out of TPH fans who are missing their band. Personally, I had never heard of Neil Finn before this (Yes I'd heard of Crowded House) so he's definitely flown under the radar for me. I also think in both cases, fans are not directing any blame towards them (and they shouldn't) I think the failure or success will be dependent on the chemistry between Christine, Stevie and Neil. Mike will be as unassuming at John is ( and he will play Landslide very well), but will fans buy into/enjoy Stevie and Neil singing "Silver Springs" to each other (I have to think this gets pulled, but you never know with this crew). Can the 3 of them harmonize together? And will fans buy into Neil singing some of Lindsey's "classics" (GYOW/Tusk) Since this fiasco was unleashed upon us, I have listened to Neil--I just don't "hear" his voice on these songs. My opinion.
I also am not a huge fan of "covers" and while 4/5's of the people who originally recorded these songs will be playing/singing them, the lead vocalist is different--and to my ears, that's a cover. The next few weeks will tell the tale for sure.
I also wouldn't be shocked if he rejoined at some point (assuming all parties are on the right side of the dirt) but I am sure the wounds are still fresh. As a fan of the band, I would love to see the 5 of them together again. Whole situation STILL breaks my heart. I don't think this is how they want the "farewell" tour to go. IMO, they would not be going out on top.

Angel75

08-13-2018, 09:05 PM

Who?
I don't know him and nobody I know knows him.

Strange, I know him very well and so does everyone I know.
I have seem him live probably more than any other artist I like too

It is ignorant to judge an artists popularity on his chart ratings in the US.....if you look at the countries Finn was successful in they are mostly Commonwealth countries. Chart ratings in the US does not define success.

HomerMcvie

08-13-2018, 10:04 PM

iamnotafraid

08-13-2018, 10:49 PM

But this is an AMERICAN band...

If only one Brit would have stood up for Lindsey.
Then all this would have never happened.

Finn,
If not for the internet I wouldn't know who he was.

Angel75

08-13-2018, 11:14 PM

But this is an AMERICAN band, who plays primarily here. Do you understand that distinction?

So patronising

Fleetwood Mac is actually a British American band...where its highest chart album success actually is not in US charts at all but in fact the UK, Aus and NZ

My point is whether you know Finn/CH or Split Enz personally means very little, he gets very little US AirPlay on the radio nor does he market himself there specifically, but he is renowned for his talent and has received the highest award possible in his country for his musical contribution.

I don't wish to compare them but the same can be said for Lindsey....unless you are a specific fan of his solo work or know FM well, very few people would know his name

HomerMcvie

08-13-2018, 11:34 PM

So patronising

Fleetwood Mac is actually a British American band...where its highest chart album success actually is not in US charts at all but in fact the UK, Aus and NZ

My point is whether you know Finn/CH or Split Enz personally means very little, he gets very little US AirPlay on the radio nor does he market himself there specifically, but he is renowned for his talent and has received the highest award possible in his country for his musical contribution.

I don't wish to compare them but the same can be said for Lindsey....unless you are a specific fan of his solo work or know FM well, very few people would know his name
Pot, meet kettle.

Gee, thanks for the FM history lesson. I had no idea!

Most of us don't give a flying f*ck who Neil Finn is.

Lindsey IS the creative force that made our band who they are. They'd have died 30 years ago without him.

Angel75

08-13-2018, 11:45 PM

Pot, meet kettle.

Gee, thanks for the FM history lesson. I had no idea!

Lindsey IS the creative force that made our band who they are. They'd have died 30 years ago without him.

Well clearly you NEEDED the history lesson

And I disagreed about Lindsey being the creative force of the band...when?
Did I ever allude to wishing Lindsey was fired and that Neil should replace him, no, not all.....

HomerMcvie

08-13-2018, 11:48 PM

Well clearly you NEEDED the history lesson

And I disagreed about Lindsey being the creative force of the band...when?
Did I ever allude to wishing Lindsey was fired and that Neil should replace him, no, not all.....
Opinions are like.... what?

I'm saying most of us don't give AF about Neil. I personally don't want to hear his stats.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 12:03 AM

Opinions are like.... what?

I'm saying most of us don't give AF about Neil. I personally don't want to hear his stats.

I am not in the slightest bit bothered if you like him or hate him, it makes no difference to me at all...I'm not like his cousin or anything weird....but simply know what you are talking about before you write rubbish and don't say 'most of us' and generalise and speak for others, allow people to speak for themselves....it's simple manners

HomerMcvie

08-14-2018, 12:52 AM

I am not in the slightest bit bothered if you like him or hate him, it makes no difference to me at all...I'm not like his cousin or anything weird....but simply know what you are talking about before you write rubbish and don't say 'most of us' and generalise and speak for others, allow people to speak for themselves....it's simple manners

Whatevs.:laugh:

Sugar Mouse

08-14-2018, 01:48 AM

Amazing that folks on this site think that Fleetwood Mac is an American band.

They were created as a fully British band that recorded nine albums with zero Americans in the band. In 1975, they brought two Americans into the band. They then recorded eight more albums, seven of which were with Lindsey and one without.

That makes eleven albums without Lindsey and seven with Lindsey. It is true that Lindsey was the creative force (producer, arranger) behind those seven albums and he did lead them through their most commercially successful years but he wasn't the primary songwriter during those years and he certainly relied heavily on having two elite songwriters in the band in Christine and Stevie.

Lindsey's solo albums were largely commercial flops because he's not an elite songwriter, although he is certainly an elite producer/arranger.

Either way, Fleetwood Mac began as a British band and on their 10th album they became a British/American band. Now they are a British/American/Kiwi band.

HomerMcvie

08-14-2018, 02:01 AM

If you think that we don't ALL know that Mick, John, and Chris are British, gtfo. The HUGE popularity that made them a household name was when they moved here, and added Lindsey and $tevie.

Yes, there were the Peter Green years, we're not discussing that... PLEASE don't try to school me(or any of the regulars on here) about the history.

I had read that you(SM) were banned. I guess it was only a vacation you were given? Good to have you back. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

AncientQueen

08-14-2018, 02:03 AM

Strange, I know him very well and so does everyone I know.
I have seem him live probably more than any other artist I like too
It is ignorant to judge an artists popularity on his chart ratings in the US.....if you look at the countries Finn was successful in they are mostly Commonwealth countries. Chart ratings in the US does not define success.
LOL, I know a stiff upper lip when I see one. I'm sure you and the people you know have a far more elaborated taste in music than me and the people I know. Because I'm in Germany where neither Crowded House nor Neil Finn ever had any impact. They just didn't happen here, because - you know - teutonic/barbaric ears and stuff...

AncientQueen

08-14-2018, 02:07 AM

I would guarantee you more people know Don't Dream It's Over than Trouble. Guarantee it. Does that matter? Not to me. But everything that poster made a point to say about Neil Finn applied to Lindsey, too.But still Don't Dream It's Over is not a solo song from Neil Finn. Compare it to Go Your Own Way and you have a reasonable comparison AND your answer.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 02:14 AM

If you think that we don't ALL know that Mick, John, and Chris are British, gtfo.

Then why were you stupid enough to call the band AMERICAN then?

Angel75

08-14-2018, 02:21 AM

I'm not even an American, so stop judging. I'm in Germany and I'm not ignorant, neither Crowded House nor Neil Finn ever had impact here.

I certainly never said you were American, it's clear from your profile that you reside in Germany. I was talking about the US charts. I was saying its ignorant to say that just because you personally don't know Finn, or anyone else you know knows him, that he is unknown....Again I said he is successful predominantly in other countries is my point...if you live anywhere else from a Commonwealth country it's highly likely he's not popular there.....same analogy could be said for Kylie or Blur

AncientQueen

08-14-2018, 02:37 AM

I certainly never said you were American, it's clear from your profile that you reside in Germany. I was talking about the US charts. I was saying its ignorant to say that just because you personally don't know Finn, or anyone else you know knows him, that he is unknown....Again I said he is successful predominantly in other countries is my point...if you live anywhere else from a Commonwealth country it's highly likely he's not popular there.....same analogy could be said for Kylie or BlurYou still adressed me about US Charts as if that has anything to do with my musical taste. And Kylie is a superstar over here, same as Blur/Gorillaz AND Fleetwood Mac. It's possible to be famous around the world, just not for everyone.

HomerMcvie

08-14-2018, 02:37 AM

Then why were you stupid enough to call the band AMERICAN then?

Based on where they were the most popular, stupid.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 02:45 AM

It's possible to be famous around the world, just not for everyone.

That is exactly my point.

Global success, particularly both UK and US equally, is very difficult if you don't originate from there.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 02:52 AM

Based on where they were the most popular, stupid.

But they aren't the most popular in the US.

They have had more far more chart success outside of America. Please check your FM knowledge before you keep embarrassing yourself.

"They are an American band and they are most popular in the US.....

......And Stevie is a man and Lindsey a woman too perhaps

FuzzyPlum

08-14-2018, 03:00 AM

Angel75

08-14-2018, 03:05 AM

And yes... Neil Finn is massively popular and famous in a number of countries outside the US.

Finally, a well researched and factual comment, thank you :)

FuzzyPlum

08-14-2018, 03:19 AM

I certainly never said you were American, it's clear from your profile that you reside in Germany. I was talking about the US charts. I was saying its ignorant to say that just because you personally don't know Finn, or anyone else you know knows him, that he is unknown....Again I said he is successful predominantly in other countries is my point...if you live anywhere else from a Commonwealth country it's highly likely he's not popular there.....same analogy could be said for Kylie or Blur

...as far as Kylie Minogue is concerned; She's had more hits in the UK than she's had in Australia (33 top tens in the UK, 23 in Aus). I'm therefore hereby claiming her to be British.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 03:30 AM

...as far as Kylie Minogue is concerned; She's had more hits in the UK than she's had in Australia (33 top tens in the UK, 23 in Aus). I'm therefore hereby claiming her to be British.

Totally agree with you ...she's lived in London for how long now?! She's even lost her Australian accent and has been very much adopted in the UK, so same analogy as Neil.....very successful in their home countries and UK but not at all in the US.

JohnL

08-14-2018, 06:10 AM

Gross. If anyone can share some fan sites where the maturity level is a little higher, send some links to those of us who are here for the music and not the creepy celebrity obsessing, filling in a narrative that may not be true, speculation, etc.

If anyone thought this was going to be a financial disaster, dream on. Mike Campbell is a bulletproof solution. I'm sad that Lindsey isn't touring with the band; but I also would never want to pay for a concert that consists of people who don't want to play together. I've done that, and it makes for a really boring, uninspired tour.

Reminders for people on this board who are stuck in 1997:
None of the band members need the $$$.
They love touring.

That's the only reason this is happening. Not because of you or me -- but because this is how they want to spend their time. Not for us, not for record companies, not for bank accounts, etc.
So they may as well be happy and as tension free as they can be.

Sad for how it all played out, but it is what it is.

You never have to twist my arm to go hear Mike Campbell play. I don't care who he's sharing the stage with. And I feel the same way about Lindsey.

You rock!!!

JohnL

08-14-2018, 06:15 AM

According to Wikipedia, Law and Order went to #32, Go Insane to #45, Out of the Cradle to #128, Under the Skin to #80, Gift of Screws to #48, and Seeds We Sow to #45.

The poster I responded to was making the point that Lindsey as a solo artist was much more successful than Neil Finn. My point was why bother to compare the two? But if people want to compare the numbers, Lindsey as a solo artist is not that well known. More than Neil Finn? Maybe, but it's like comparing Michelle Shocked to Aimee Mann- neither one of them are that famous, so what's the point in comparing their sales?

I would guarantee you more people know Don't Dream It's Over than Trouble. Guarantee it. Does that matter? Not to me. But everything that poster made a point to say about Neil Finn applied to Lindsey, too.

:blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2:

JohnL

08-14-2018, 06:21 AM

But they aren't the most popular in the US.

They have had more far more chart success outside of America. Please check your FM knowledge before you keep embarrassing yourself.

"They are an American band and they are most popular in the US.....

......And Stevie is a man and Lindsey a woman too perhaps

Moderators...I personally take offense to his name calling once again. Do SOMETHING for once in your lives about him. He should not be allowed to call anyone stupid.

BlanketMan

08-14-2018, 07:32 AM

Opinions are like.... what?

I'm saying most of us don't give AF about Neil. I personally don't want to hear his stats.

I'm not sure I buy that "most of us" part. This is a FM board, after all, and Finn is a member now, no matter how much a seemingly large percentage of us wish it weren't so.

Lindsey was fired. That part sucks - that opinion seems universal around here.

Finn had zero to do with LB's firing. That seems beyond dispute, also.

What's left of the band will heavily feature Neil Finn. Why wouldn't "most" Mac fans "give AF" about him? Sure, we're pissed about the LB situation, but why sit in the corner, fingers in ears, yelling "LALALALALALALA, I don't know/care who Neil Finn is! LALALALALALALA! I'm not listening!!!"?!? (I mean, hey, it's a free Internet, you can do what ya want, but it seems to be an odd response to me.:lol:) Until we hear this latest incarnation, none of us can really say whether this "new band" is worth listening to or not. I think us Finn Fans are only saying it just *might* be worthwhile to give him/them a chance, despite our anger over the LB dismissal.

I saw The Classic East show last summer and while I enjoyed the show, Lindsey looked bored and a bit angry at times. I absolutely love the guy and his musical style, but seeing that show left me with little enthusiasm for future Rumours-FM projects, including this upcoming tour. LB seemed checked out. His exit has ticked me off, but Finn's addition just might breathe some necessary new life into these old-timers. "Might" being the key word here. So to paraphrase the Crazy Britney Spears Guy from years ago: Give Neil a chance!!! :]

button-lip

08-14-2018, 09:15 AM

Moderators...I personally take offense to his name calling once again. Do SOMETHING for once in your lives about him. He should not be allowed to call anyone stupid.

Not that you took the time to read the whole thing, but he was called 'stupid' first. :shrug:

button-lip

08-14-2018, 09:17 AM

But this is an AMERICAN band, who plays primarily here. Do you understand that distinction?

I get what you mean. THEY see themselves as Americans, maybe not the auidence. I don't see them performing all across small European towns, like in the US.

HomerMcvie

08-14-2018, 10:36 AM

Not that you took the time to read the whole thing, but he was called 'stupid' first. :shrug:

Exactly. Thank you.

Buster called me a "f*cking pathetic loser", and that was allowed. "Stupid" is a walk in the park, compared to that. But I'm certain that JohnL doesn't see it that way.

gldstwmn

08-14-2018, 12:05 PM

Moderators...I personally take offense to his name calling once again. Do SOMETHING for once in your lives about him. He should not be allowed to call anyone stupid.

You'd think people would be over the moon with the announcement of LB's tour dates. :shrug:

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sue

08-14-2018, 12:14 PM

You'd think people would be over the moon with the announcement of LB's tour dates. :shrug:

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He should stay sacked, fired whatever.....he looks great, relaxed and sexy.

louielouie2000

08-14-2018, 12:23 PM

I get what you mean. THEY see themselves as Americans, maybe not the auidence. I don't see them performing all across small European towns, like in the US.

This. Plus, during their huge international tours, the US dates account for nearly twice as many shows as all of the other countries combined.

Not to mention they've been American-based since what, 1973? To this day tour rehearsals and studio recording always takes place in LA, and all active members of the band maintain property in LA. They even refer to LA as home when they play the Forum.

lovethemac1

08-14-2018, 12:40 PM

HomerMcvie

08-14-2018, 12:46 PM

You'd think people would be over the moon with the announcement of LB's tour dates. :shrug:

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It doesn't seem to be here. Although 80% of my FB feed has been all Lindsey today.

Sugar Mouse

08-14-2018, 12:47 PM

Then why were you stupid enough to call the band AMERICAN then?

Nice one. Of course, Fleetwood Mac started as a British band and then became a British/American band and is now a British/American/Kiwi band. Bands are obviously defined by their heritage of the members and not from where they are popular.

Sugar Mouse

08-14-2018, 12:54 PM

And I never said that Lindsey doesn't belong in Fleetwood Mac. I did say that Lindsey appeared on less than half of Fleetwood Mac albums meaning that a large part of the band's discography doesn't include Lindsey. Lindsey is a part, albeit important part, of the band's history.

That being said, Lindsey has been a commercial flop as a solo artist. You can say that he's been an artistic success as a solo artist, but his solo albums have been commercial flops.

And it's odd that folks keep saying that no one knows who Neil Finn is. Neil is a legend in Australia/New Zealand. He's in the Australian Music Hall of Fame. He's also a big star in the UK and much of Europe. And he's also a mid-level star in the states where Don't Dream It's Over, Something So Strong, and I Got You were huge hit songs.

BigAl84

08-14-2018, 01:07 PM

If you're implying neil finn as not a flop of a solo artist, well that's just as subjective as you saying Lindsey was a flop of a solo artist.

Doesn't really add up to anything.

Sugar Mouse

08-14-2018, 01:09 PM

Sorry to be so picky... but Fleetwood Mac recorded 4 proper studio albums with zero Americans. Bob Welch was of course American so FG to HAHTF don't count. Shocked to hear some people on here consider Fleetwood Mac to be an American band though. :shocked:

And yes... Neil Finn is massively popular and famous in a number of countries outside the US.

Good catch. Forgot that Welch was American. And yes, Neil Finn is a massive star in a number of countries.

AncientQueen

08-14-2018, 01:29 PM

louielouie2000

08-14-2018, 01:55 PM

Finally, a well researched and factual comment, thank you :)

But that's anecdotal evidence, not factual. Facts involve verifiable statistics such as album sales & tour revenue. There's no way that globally, Finn/Crowded House/et al outsells Fleetwood Mac, end stop.

Sugar Mouse

08-14-2018, 01:55 PM

But still Don't Dream It's Over is not a solo song from Neil Finn. Compare it to Go Your Own Way and you have a reasonable comparison AND your answer.

Actually Crowded House was essentially a Neil Finn solo project.

With all due respect to the late Paul Hester, Nick Seymour, and Mark Hart ... Crowded House was Neil Finn. Hester/Seymour/Hart are talented musicians, but they had almost nothing to do with writing, producing, or arranging the songs. Neil wrote almost all the Crowded House songs and was the sole creative force in the band.

That was very different from Fleetwood Mac where Lindsey was the main producer, but wrote a minority of the songs. Most of the band's hits were Stevie or Christine songs. Thus, it is fair to compare Crowded House songs to Lindsey solo songs. That's actually a very fair comparison as both situations are where we get to see how Neil's songs stand up to Lindsey's songs where each was fully in charge of the process.

bwboy

08-14-2018, 01:56 PM

BlanketMan

08-14-2018, 01:57 PM

I must say, there is a list of things I find disturbing about Lindseys firing. Things I really dislike Mick for. But one thing that slowly moves to the top of that list are Neil Finn fans who suddenly feel entitled to have an opinion on Fleetwood Mac and their fans. It's like crumbles judging a cake. What is this **** here?

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. I've been a Mac fan since the mid-70s and a Finn fan since 1980 or so (I still have my laser-etched LP of "True Colours"!), so I guess I fall into both camps. I do see some Finn fans getting a bit defensive as some rather vocal FM fans have been slamming their guy (even on here) since the change was made. I don't take it personally; I'd just like to see FM fans give Finn a chance to shine. As much as I hate what happened to Lindsey, Finn strikes me as a great choice to at least try to fill the void. We'll see!

And I can't wait to see Lindsey's solo show this fall!!!

louielouie2000

08-14-2018, 02:06 PM

I must say, there is a list of things I find disturbing about Lindseys firing. Things I really dislike Mick for. But one thing that slowly moves to the top of that list are Neil Finn fans who suddenly feel entitled to have an opinion on Fleetwood Mac and their fans. It's like crumbles judging a cake. What is this **** here?

All of this before he's played a single concert or even recorded a single song with FM. Mike Campbell has at least been peripherally involved in FM for several decades. His inclusion into the band seems so much more logical, and his humble behavior since being asked to join the band just makes him all the more palatable.

Perhaps we'll all warm up to Finn once he actually starts working with the band. Until then, his very name is going to continue to enrage a large contingency of FM fans, because he's not a legitimate member of the band yet. Regardless of how "miraculous" he is to certain folks around here.

FuzzyPlum

08-14-2018, 02:12 PM

And yes... Neil Finn is massively popular and famous in a number of countries outside the US.

Finally, a well researched and factual comment, thank you :)

But that's anecdotal evidence, not factual. Facts involve verifiable statistics such as album sales & tour revenue. There's no way that globally, Finn/Crowded House/et al outsells Fleetwood Mac, end stop.

What the f**k you talking about???
Neil Finn is massively popular and famous in a number of countries outside the US. No argument. That is a fact.
Nobody has said anything about Neil Finn outselling Fleetwood Mac.

What I would say (that definitely is anecdotal) is that more people probably know the name Neil Finn than the UK than the name Lindsey Buckingham. I might be wrong but that would be my hunch.

FuzzyPlum

08-14-2018, 02:21 PM

I hate what has happened to Lindsey and wish he was back in the band.
I hate Stevie and Mick for their behaviour and I'm sad about John and Christine's behaviour too. I really do not want to go to a Fleetwood Mac concert on this tour.

However I am a (very) casual Crowded House fan. I know Neil Finn is a very, very talented person. I'f he'd joined the band 20 years ago I'd have been really excited. However, now I feel rather sorry for him. I think he's possibly been duped a bit. I can't see this incarnation being an on-going creative endeavor. He's therefore little more than a touring member who might sing a bit. His talent is therefore wasted in this venture.

I don't think he personally deserves any vitriol and cant see he's been anything other than humble either.

AncientQueen

08-14-2018, 02:25 PM

LOL yes Neil Finn fans are allowed to have and express an opinion on Fleetwood Mac and their fans. One of the great things about America is freedom of speech. Just like you have the right to express your hatred of Fleetwood Mac... on a FM fan board.
What a silly post. Again America is the only country that counts. Not to get into politics here, but right now the USA are not a shining example of, well, anything positive.
And why the heck should I post on a FM board if I hate the band? And how is that your business? I really dislike the entitlement of Neil Finns fans who run aroung proclaiming him and Crowded House world famous against all evidence of the contrary.

gldstwmn

08-14-2018, 02:31 PM

He should stay sacked, fired whatever.....he looks great, relaxed and sexy.

Agree with all of that not to mention you get the anthology if you buy a ticket to the show. I can't wait to see what's on there. Personally I'd love that version of Stephanie that plays over the PA pre show among many other things.

FuzzyPlum

08-14-2018, 02:32 PM

What a silly post. Again America is the only country that counts. Not to get into politics here, but right now the USA are not a shining example of, well, anything positive.
And why the heck should I post on a FM board if I hate the band? And how is that your business? I really dislike the entitlement of Neil Finns fans who run aroung proclaiming him and Crowded House world famous against all evidence of the contrary.

Could you do me a favour and just read through recent posts and highlight where somebody said he/they are world famous? I cant find it.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 02:41 PM

There's no way that globally, Finn/Crowded House/et al outsells Fleetwood Mac, end stop.

I never said or implied this once, Finn/CH are no where near on the same scale of success globally they are completely incomparable....but many posters here were saying they had never heard of Neil....I've simply said that is because you probably live in countries where he is not successful ....because he is FACTUALLY reknown in many countries. I am not implying Finn is a musical superstar, I just wish for more educated and knowledgeable comments that are fair and factual.

I am not SugarMouse and saying how wonderful it is that Finn is now in FM...I'm the opposite, I hate it and wish that LB was still there and that SN hadn't been so selfish and cruel.

BlanketMan

08-14-2018, 03:04 PM

Agree with all of that not to mention you get the anthology if you buy a ticket to the show. I can't wait to see what's on there. Personally I'd love that version of Stephanie that plays over the PA pre show among many other things.

The track listing for Anthology is on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Solo-Anthology-Lindsey-Buckingham-Deluxe/dp/B07GBLVY61/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1534276974&sr=8-2&keywords=lindsey+buckingham+anthology

Looks pretty comprehensive, although I wish his solo version of "Steal Your Heart Away" (from that '97 Best Buy CD) was on there. And a couple more from "Law and Order" would've been nice. Great to finally get a remastered version of "Holiday Road"!

Angel75

08-14-2018, 03:16 PM

The track listing for Anthology is on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Solo-Anthology-Lindsey-Buckingham-Deluxe/dp/B07GBLVY61/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1534276974&sr=8-2&keywords=lindsey+buckingham+anthology

Looks pretty comprehensive, although I wish his solo version of "Steal Your Heart Away" (from that '97 Best Buy CD) was on there. And a couple more from "Law and Order" would've been nice. Great to finally get a remastered version of "Holiday Road"!

Such great news about the tour and Anthology.....I can't wait to listen and so exciting to get some new music at last with two new tracks - Hunger and Ride this Road. Great work Lindsey.

AncientQueen

08-14-2018, 03:37 PM

Could you do me a favour and just read through recent posts and highlight where somebody said he/they are world famous? I cant find it.
??? How do you respond here when you can't read?

Angel75

08-14-2018, 04:09 PM

??? How do you respond here when you can't read?

Huh? FuzzyPlum is right when has anyone ever said he was World Famous?

FuzzyPlum

08-14-2018, 05:08 PM

??? How do you respond here when you can't read?

You sir/madam, are very rude.
The suggestion has been raised that Finn is famous in countries other than the US. At no point has anyone said he is 'World famous'.
I can read.

dreamsunwind

08-14-2018, 05:30 PM

dreamsunwind

08-14-2018, 05:32 PM

Lindsey's plans look amazing. It's what I had hoped all of FM could've done. It's awful how it's had to happen but it's nice that he isn't wasting time. He puts on a great show so I'm sure anyone who appreciates his talents would have a great time.

gldstwmn

08-14-2018, 05:33 PM

I think the odds of him ever acknowleding Stephanie again are next to zero lol.

I think he'll play it again. After all he's not going to stop playing GYOW.

jwd

08-14-2018, 05:34 PM

I think the odds of him ever acknowleding Stephanie again are next to zero lol.

There's a live version of the song on the anthology.

dreamsunwind

08-14-2018, 05:36 PM

I never said or implied this once, Finn/CH are no where near on the same scale of success globally they are completely incomparable....but many posters here were saying they had never heard of Neil....I've simply said that is because you probably live in countries where he is not successful ....because he is FACTUALLY reknown in many countries. I am not implying Finn is a musical superstar, I just wish for more educated and knowledgeable comments that are fair and factual.

I am not SugarMouse and saying how wonderful it is that Finn is now in FM...I'm the opposite, I hate it and wish that LB was still there and that SN hadn't been so selfish and cruel.

I live in the US and I'd never even heard the name Neil Finn before in my life and neither had loads of my friends. I asked someone I know who is very music minded and he told me that Neil/Crowded House is more of an Aussie thing and they've had some popularity in parts of Europe.

gldstwmn

08-14-2018, 05:38 PM

The track listing for Anthology is on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Solo-Anthology-Lindsey-Buckingham-Deluxe/dp/B07GBLVY61/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1534276974&sr=8-2&keywords=lindsey+buckingham+anthology

Looks pretty comprehensive, although I wish his solo version of "Steal Your Heart Away" (from that '97 Best Buy CD) was on there. And a couple more from "Law and Order" would've been nice. Great to finally get a remastered version of "Holiday Road"!

Stephanie made the cut! Love the live tracks and remastered OOTC tracks.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 06:16 PM

I live in the US and I'd never even heard the name Neil Finn before in my life and neither had loads of my friends. I asked someone I know who is very music minded and he told me that Neil/Crowded House is more of an Aussie thing and they've had some popularity in parts of Europe.

Thanks, exactly my point :blob2:

elle

08-14-2018, 06:22 PM

Such great news about the tour and Anthology.....I can't wait to listen and so exciting to get some new music at last with two new tracks - Hunger and Ride this Road. Great work Lindsey.

yes! :blob2::blob2:

FANTASTIC NEWS, all of it - anthology, song choices, live stuff, new songs, getting CDs with tour tickets, ticket prices, meet and greets - all of it!! perfect venues and perfect pricing too. :blob1::blob1:

come over to LB forum and discuss all this music with us (i know you cannot fly in for the tour), no reason to stay here with a bunch of people still bickering. :wavey:

KenshiMaster16

08-14-2018, 06:25 PM

I'm not going to sit here and diss Finn's solo works and downplay his status internationally but considering Fleetwood Mac has been 'Americanized' since the 70's, outside of Crowded House Finn is pretty much a non-entity here. I know roughly of Crowded House and Don't Dream It's Over but when they announced he was joining the band me and pretty much all my friends and family had to google him to be frank because the name didn't ring a bell.

If we are going to go one step further, Buckingham has had 5 Top 50 albums on Billboard. As far as I'm aware, Finn has 0 though he has made the Heatseeker chart twice. Now that has nothing to do with artistry obviously but I'm using that to gauge name recognition and popularity in the states.

Now, even though I've stated how I feel about the incarnation of the band and how I loathe how they've gone about this and the utter destruction and implosion of their greatest line-up (and to that point their on-going legacy), I like this guy Finn. I like his attitude about the whole affair. I like how he's reached out in the media and downplayed the term "replacement" when it comes to Lindsey. I like his respect for the band and the legacy. I like him in general. And I have no doubt he will contribute a good deal to the band if this era continues past this tour.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 06:33 PM

yes! :blob2::blob2:

FANTASTIC NEWS, all of it - anthology, song choices, live stuff, new songs, getting CDs with tour tickets, ticket prices, meet and greets - all of it!! perfect venues and perfect pricing too. :blob1::blob1:

come over to LB forum and discuss all this music with us (i know you cannot fly in for the tour), no reason to stay here with a bunch of people still bickering. :wavey:

Thanks Elle, I've been to the Lindsey forum of course to express my delight. I have to confess that I have been foolishly hanging here because I get too much FOMO hearing about everyone's ticket purchases. Its even worse when people complain about them not coming to their state specifically or that they have to drive 4 hours or something relatively short to get there.... I mean seriously!
Big love to you :)
:xoxo:

Storms123

08-14-2018, 09:26 PM

Thanks Elle, I've been to the Lindsey forum of course to express my delight. I have to confess that I have been foolishly hanging here because I get too much FOMO hearing about everyone's ticket purchases. Its even worse when people complain about them not coming to their state specifically or that they have to drive 4 hours or something relatively short to get there.... I mean seriously!
Big love to you :)
:xoxo:

So excited for this 12/4 in NYC--Cannot wait.

Angel75

08-14-2018, 10:25 PM

So excited for this 12/4 in NYC--Cannot wait.

Enjoy, I hope you get or got great seats...show Lindsey all the support he deserves :)

jbrownsjr

08-15-2018, 07:19 AM

He should stay sacked, fired whatever.....he looks great, relaxed and sexy.

Agreed. Watching him during the BuckVie shows was so enlightening. He was relaxed and quite free.

Macfan4life

08-15-2018, 12:04 PM

The track listing for Anthology is on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Solo-Anthology-Lindsey-Buckingham-Deluxe/dp/B07GBLVY61/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1534276974&sr=8-2&keywords=lindsey+buckingham+anthology

Looks pretty comprehensive, although I wish his solo version of "Steal Your Heart Away" (from that '97 Best Buy CD) was on there. And a couple more from "Law and Order" would've been nice. Great to finally get a remastered version of "Holiday Road"!
Yes the tracks are incredible but missing Loving Cup which is my favorite Lindsey solo song. It has a great hook and showcases his amazing guitar work. Not sure why this song gets overlooked. In 1984 my local rock station had it in major play for about a month.

Buster

08-15-2018, 02:22 PM

Exactly. Thank you.

Buster called me a "f*cking pathetic loser", and that was allowed. "Stupid" is a walk in the park, compared to that. But I'm certain that JohnL doesn't see it that way.

It wasn’t really allowed, I got a 10 day ban. But I don’t regret saying what many people in this board think. Yes, I will claim to speak for others just like you do.

For someone who spends hours each day taking shots at people but keeping the language just tame enough to keep under the mods radar screen, you have ridiculously thin skin. And you are the primary reason few people want to engage on this forum. You can’t let 90% of posts go without comment, it’s an absurd obsession. You also have to steer discussion into the direction you want. And you’re a misogynist.

Try taking a breath once in a while when you read a post you don’t like. Try expressing your feelings about Stevie Nicks using adult words. Try to avoid needing to rally people to your side like you’re in high school. Let this be a true discussion board - where people are allowed to express themselves without getting pounded on the head by you each time. Just some advice.

:wavey:

Steviegirl

08-15-2018, 02:24 PM

Enjoy, I hope you get or got great seats...show Lindsey all the support he deserves :)

Yes. This will be the first FM tour I have missed since 1982, but I will definitely be in DC to support Lindsey in October.
#IStandWithLindsey

HomerMcvie

08-15-2018, 02:51 PM

It wasn’t really allowed, I got a 10 day ban. But I don’t regret saying what many people in this board think. Yes, I will claim to speak for others just like you do.

For someone who spends hours each day taking shots at people but keeping the language just tame enough to keep under the mods radar screen, you have ridiculously thin skin. And you are the primary reason few people want to engage on this forum. You can’t let 90% of posts go without comment, it’s an absurd obsession. You also have to steer discussion into the direction you want. And you’re a misogynist.

Try taking a breath once in a while when you read a post you don’t like. Try expressing your feelings about Stevie Nicks using adult words. Try to avoid needing to rally people to your side like you’re in high school. Let this be a true discussion board - where people are allowed to express themselves without getting pounded on the head by you each time. Just some advice.

:wavey:

I realize that it's no holds barred here these days, BUT PERSONAL ATTACKS LIKE THIS ARE UNACCEPTABLE.

That's why Elle rarely comes here anymore.

All YOU need to do is block me, yet you won't.

Angel75

08-15-2018, 04:23 PM

I realize that it's no holds barred here these days, BUT PERSONAL ATTACKS LIKE THIS ARE UNACCEPTABLE.

That's why Elle rarely comes here anymore.

All YOU need to do is block me, yet you won't.

With the exception of the M word, that was certainly not a personal attack but more offering some personal advice on how to make this forum a better, more positive place for everyone that hasn't been driven away. It's never a bad idea to work on personal improvement.

And you are certainly not in a position to speak on behalf of Elle, she is more than capable enough to do this on her own if she so chooses. If she is fed up with the constant bickering on the Rumours forum then one only needs to look at who is at the centre of this problem every time and realise THAT is the actual issue.

SteveMacD

08-15-2018, 06:10 PM

Exactly. They're staying hidden so that people won't know that it's a karaoke band now.

It’s been a karaoke band since 1997…

IF they were that committed to forming a new band, why are they waiting until August to even start rehearsals? (and they have their first gig in September!)

That’s how it was in 1987. Lindsey quit on Aug. 6 and the first show was Sept. 30. It’s Rock and Roll, not rocket science.

In my opinion, it's pretty clear they are doing the bare minimum to hobble everything together for the next 8-10 months of touring. All talks of possible new music? that sure ended quick and now looks to be replaced with yet another greatest hits/box set for their 50th anniversary. Who saw that coming? LOL...

Who’s to say that there won’t new music on the box?

They've had plenty of time to...record a single song.....

How do you know they haven’t?

Lindsey IS the creative force that made our band who they are. They'd have died 30 years ago without him.

They could have died 31 years ago because of him.

If you're implying neil finn as not a flop of a solo artist, well that's just as subjective as you saying Lindsey was a flop of a solo artist.

Finn and Lindsey are cut from very similar cloths. They’re both the type to place art over commercial viability.

But that's anecdotal evidence, not factual. Facts involve verifiable statistics such as album sales & tour revenue. There's no way that globally, Finn/Crowded House/et al outsells Fleetwood Mac, end stop.

Nobody suggested they did.

I really dislike the entitlement of Neil Finns fans who run aroung proclaiming him and Crowded House world famous against all evidence of the contrary.

He is. Verifiably. Maybe not a megastar, but he’s internationally famous. Finn was awarded an OBE (Officer of the British Empire), a couple of steps below knighthood, for his contributions to music. So clearly he’s achieved some level of noteworthiness.

He was a 1 hit wonder 3 decades ago, and Rumours alone sold 4 times as many copies as his combined life's work. It's no mystery why he has no name recognition. :shrug:

He had more than one hit, and the last time FM had a hit was 28 years ago.

I was simply responding to Sugar Mouse, who has been trying to sell Finn to us for months as this miraculous living legend. I’m just not buying it. Even if he WAS, I wouldn’t give a damn. :sorry:

I don’t know if he’s miraculous, but he was awarded an OBE (Officer of the British Empire) for his contributions to music.

Storms123

08-15-2018, 06:11 PM

Enjoy, I hope you get or got great seats...show Lindsey all the support he deserves :)

Thank you...Got Amazing Seats--2nd row off centerish with a meet and greet!

SteveMacD

08-15-2018, 06:15 PM

Who?
I don't know him and nobody I know knows him.

Finn,
If not for the internet I wouldn't know who he was.

I live in the US and I'd never even heard the name Neil Finn before in my life and neither had loads of my friends.

Thanks for the anecdotal evidence. It’s so relevant :rolleyes:

Angel75

08-15-2018, 07:01 PM

Thank you...Got Amazing Seats--2nd row off centerish with a meet and greet!

Congrats on getting such great seats, the meet and greets were a great move by Lindsey I think this time, both for his and the ticketholders sake. Hopefully he will gain a real appreciation of how supported he is despite his firing....I hope this tour is a sellout, a critical success and is cathartic for him in many ways.

BigAl84

08-15-2018, 07:50 PM

It’s been a karaoke band since 1997…

That’s how it was in 1987. Lindsey quit on Aug. 6 and the first show was Sept. 30. It’s Rock and Roll, not rocket science.

Who’s to say that there won’t new music on the box?

How do you know they haven’t?

They could have died 31 years ago because of him.

Finn and Lindsey are cut from very similar cloths. They’re both the type to place art over commercial viability.

Nobody suggested they did.

He is. Verifiably. Maybe not a megastar, but he’s internationally famous. Finn was awarded an OBE (Officer of the British Empire), a couple of steps below knighthood, for his contributions to music. So clearly he’s achieved some level of noteworthiness.

He had more than one hit, and the last time FM had a hit was 28 years ago.

I don’t know if he’s miraculous, but he was awarded an OBE (Officer of the British Empire) for his contributions to music.

Steve you can defend them all you want, I applaud your optimism actually.

For me, I just can't anymore and that's on me, completely my choice. I don't expect everyone to feel the same or agree.

I just don't think they are in a place where doing anything new or risky is even remotely in their playbook now.

I don't believe Lindsey was the sole roadblock or root of all their conflicts. Even with him out of the band, I'd be shocked if they went through the effort to work on new material. Two new folks join the band and they still begin rehearsals two months before their first gig. They're in "good enough" mode if you ask me.

No doubt, I bet Mike and Neil would sign onto doing an album, it's actually the rest of them that I think would kill the idea before it ever got off the ground.

Yeah, I could be totally wrong too.

BigAl84

08-15-2018, 07:54 PM

Storms123

08-15-2018, 08:12 PM

Congrats on getting such great seats, the meet and greets were a great move by Lindsey I think this time, both for his and the ticketholders sake. Hopefully he will gain a real appreciation of how supported he is despite his firing....I hope this tour is a sellout, a critical success and is cathartic for him in many ways.

Totally agree--and the fact the M&G is included in the ticket price....unlike his former colleague, I think is pretty genius too. I hope he feels all the appreciation and affection from his fans.

Storms123

08-15-2018, 08:17 PM

Also...it does irk me to think of the likelihood of Mike and Neil being treated like hired guns. They are indeed huge talents and I find it kind of sad that they are going to spend a big chunk of time playing other people's parts and singing other people's songs they have no actual tie to.

And getting paid a lot less than the rest of the band. BUT--they willingly signed on and knew what they were likely getting into. I still hold the belief the "opening night" set list will change drastically as the tour goes on. "Rattlesnake Shake" and all the others will eventually get dropped and it will once again be a greatest hits tour with DDIO and SDMHA thrown in.

Angel75

08-15-2018, 08:44 PM

And getting paid a lot less than the rest of the band. BUT--they willingly signed on and knew what they were likely getting into. I still hold the belief the "opening night" set list will change drastically as the tour goes on. "Rattlesnake Shake" and all the others will eventually get dropped and it will once again be a greatest hits tour with DDIO and SDMHA thrown in.

I am sure DDIO and SDMHA will be there from day one as well as one other Petty song perhaps too. I think there will be less than 5% of the audience that even knows Rattlesnake Shake so that's not going to last long.

BigAl84

08-15-2018, 08:53 PM

I am sure DDIO and SDMHA will be there from day one as well as one other Petty song perhaps too. I think there will be less than 5% of the audience that even knows Rattlesnake Shake so that's not going to last long.

Oh now, now. Station Man is going to be the big number of the night. Stevie says so!

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Angel75

08-15-2018, 09:13 PM

Oh now, now. Station Man is going to be the big number of the night. Stevie says so!

And we all know Stevie is always right! :laugh:

SteveMacD

08-15-2018, 10:13 PM

I don't believe Lindsey was the sole roadblock or root of all their conflicts.

I don’t blame Lindsey for what happened. I don’t have enough information about what went down to have a judgment. Stevie has been much more the one holding them back. I doubt Lindsey would have even suggested a concurrent tour if Fleetwood Mac (read: Stevie) agreed to do another album.

No doubt, I bet Mike and Neil would sign onto doing an album, it's actually the rest of them that I think would kill the idea before it ever got off the ground.

There is only one person in the band who would…ehm...nicks the idea of a new album.

Also...it does irk me to think of the likelihood of Mike and Neil being treated like hired guns. They are indeed huge talents and I find it kind of sad that they are going to spend a big chunk of time playing other people's parts and singing other people's songs they have no actual tie to.

The only reason I’m 50/50 there’s even a shot of new music is because of those two. Bands typically don’t bring in people who are noted songwriters if they’re not planning new music. Fleetwood Mac would be fools to miss the opportunity to make new music with talent of that caliber, and I have every faith in their ability to do just that.

iamnotafraid

08-15-2018, 11:56 PM

Thanks for the anecdotal evidence. It’s so relevant :rolleyes:

Dude,
I was just expressing how little I know about the Finn.

One of the reasons that Campbell and Finn were picked
was because what they would except as pay. You can bet
that both together will be much less the Mr. B.

It all works out in the end. More for $tevie.

AncientQueen

08-16-2018, 02:55 AM

Thanks for the anecdotal evidence. It’s so relevant :rolleyes:Being famous is exactly that - people know you. One by one. Or not, like in this case.

Storms123

08-16-2018, 05:17 AM

I am sure DDIO and SDMHA will be there from day one as well as one other Petty song perhaps too. I think there will be less than 5% of the audience that even knows Rattlesnake Shake so that's not going to last long.

Exactly. The whole notion they are going to "dig into their gothic trunk of lost songs" is nice, but in reality, I don't think it has legs beyond the first month or so. Will wind up being a greatest hits tour, with DDIO, SDMHA, etc thrown in AND adding to the "wound", some of the songs on the greatest hits tour not sounding how the fans expect because they are being covered by 2 guys who didn't write/record/arrange.

JohnL

08-16-2018, 06:30 AM

JohnL

08-16-2018, 06:34 AM

Not that you took the time to read the whole thing, but he was called 'stupid' first. :shrug:

Thank you for the education. We all know this isnt the first time that stuff like this has happened and is continually overlooked because of the cliques on this board.

button-lip

08-16-2018, 11:24 AM

Thank you for the education. We all know this isnt the first time that stuff like this has happened and is continually overlooked because of the cliques on this board.

Glad to educate you. Have a nice day. :wavey:

SteveMacD

08-16-2018, 11:31 AM

Being famous is exactly that - people know you. One by one. Or not, like in this case.

Dude,
I was just expressing how little I know about the Finn.

Again, the Crown doesn’t just hand out OBEs. Clearly someone knows who Neil Finn is.

One of the reasons that Campbell and Finn were picked
was because what they would except as pay. You can bet
that both together will be much less the Mr. B.

Hell, if the main reason they were chosen was because they would take less money, wouldn’t they have been better off just bringing back Billy and Rick? They could have paid them the same as the mini-Mac.

button-lip

08-16-2018, 11:39 AM

With the exception of the M word, that was certainly not a personal attack but more offering some personal advice on how to make this forum a better, more positive place for everyone that hasn't been driven away. It's never a bad idea to work on personal improvement.

And you are certainly not in a position to speak on behalf of Elle, she is more than capable enough to do this on her own if she so chooses. If she is fed up with the constant bickering on the Rumours forum then one only needs to look at who is at the centre of this problem every time and realise THAT is the actual issue.

Based on what Homer is a mysoginist? Because he doesn't like Stevie? Because I honestly haven't seen him verbally attacking any female poster here. Stevie's fans are ALWAYS gonna complain. No news here.

I don't think Homer is speaking on behalf of Elle without speaking with her before. Many posters here talk outside this forum. :rolleyes:

HomerMcvie

08-16-2018, 11:46 AM

Based on what Homer is a mysoginist? Because he doesn't like Stevie? Because I honestly haven't seen him verbally attacking any female poster here. Stevie's fans are ALWAYS gonna complain. No news here.

I don't think Homer is speaking on behalf of Elle without speaking with her before. Many posters here talk outside this forum. :rolleyes:
They can't fathom that we could possibly be connected outside of this forum. How myopic can one be?

Thank you.

Angel75

08-16-2018, 12:39 PM

They can't fathom that we could possibly be connected outside of this forum. How myopic can one be?

Thank you.

'THEY'??? '
Of course many of us speak with her outside of this forum, myself included. So you will know exactly why she no longer posts here then.

Angel75

08-16-2018, 12:44 PM

Based on what Homer is a mysoginist?

Perhaps you didn't read or understand my post at all, but I didn't say he was mysoginist, I personally would never use that word. I was commenting on the fact that John's post was not a personal attack with the exception of him using the M word.

SteveMacD

08-16-2018, 12:56 PM

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button-lip

08-16-2018, 01:11 PM

Perhaps you didn't read or understand my post at all, but I didn't say he was mysoginist, I personally would never use that word. I was commenting on the fact that John's post was not a personal attacm with the exception of him using the M word.

Yes, believe it or not, I understood your post. How shocking is that? :eek::eek::eek:

I was also commenting on his post, not on your answer to his post, but whatever.

Angel75

08-16-2018, 01:20 PM

Again, the Crown doesn’t just hand out OBEs. Clearly someone knows who Neil Finn does.

I appreciate that you frequently acknowledge this as its so apparent so many others do not recognise how significant it is to be awarded an OBE, or a knighthood for that matter, in your specific field....it's certainly achieved by very few.

jbrownsjr

08-16-2018, 01:49 PM

'THEY'??? '
Of course many of us speak with her outside of this forum, myself included. So you will know exactly why she no longer posts here then.

I personally speak to Elle, quite often. She doesn't refrain from Rumours because of Homer. She wants to post in the LB forum more.

She's all about the upcoming LB tour.

jbrownsjr

08-16-2018, 01:49 PM

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Classic!!! :]

Angel75

08-16-2018, 02:05 PM

I personally speak to Elle, quite often. She doesn't refrain from Rumours because of Homer.
.

Agreed, I stated she's avoiding the bickering here and quite rightly so .....Homer's name wasn't mentioned.

HomerMcvie

08-16-2018, 03:26 PM

Agreed, I stated she's avoiding the bickering here and quite rightly so .....Homer's name wasn't mentioned.

She and I have spoken several times, outside of this forum. SHE friend requested me, outside of here. I am fairly certain that we're good. I hope so, and have no reason to think otherwise.

dreamsunwind

08-16-2018, 07:58 PM

Thanks for the anecdotal evidence. It’s so relevant :rolleyes:

You're welcome! Glad that my little two sentence description of my own familiarity with Neil Finn grabbed your attention and elicited a response!!!

SteveMacD

08-16-2018, 08:22 PM

You're welcome! Glad that my little two sentence description of my own familiarity with Neil Finn grabbed your attention and elicited a response!!!

Well, equally glad my pointing out the irrelevancy of someone’s familiarity illicited such a positive counter response!!!! :thumbsup:

DownOnRodeo

08-16-2018, 08:46 PM

I appreciate that you frequently acknowledge this as its so apparent so many others do not recognise how significant it is to be awarded an OBE, or a knighthood for that matter, in your specific field....it's certainly achieved by very few.

Neil Finn's name recognition in the US aside, he is undeniably a household name in a number of markets. But when things like 'Australian Music Hall of Fame' or 'OBE' are mentioned as reasons why everyone in the world should know his name, that DOES sound quite comical to me (and I'm Australian)!

The following people apparently received a non-military OBE in 2017 alone!!

Jane Acklam, Executive Principal and chief executive officer, Moor End Academies Trust. For services to education.
Gail Adams, Head of Nursing, UNISON. For services to nursing and public healthcare.
Nicola Adams MBE For services to boxing.
Diane Aderyn, Director of Finance and Commercial Services, University of Bath. For services to higher education.
Susan Victoria Mary Aglionby DL For services to young people and the community in Cumbria.
Rosalind Margaret Alstead, Director of Nursing and Clinical Standards, Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust. For services to nursing.
Professor Vidal Ashkenazi, Founding Director and chief executive officer, Nottingham Scientific Ltd. For services to science.
Iman Abou-Atta, Founder, SCEME. For services to community cohesion.
Sally Elizabeth Bacon. For services to culture and young people.
Joe Baden, Founder, Open Book Project. For services to higher education.
Susan Baker, director, Time to Change. For services to mental health.
Stephen Neville Bates, Chief Executive, Bioindustry Association. For services to innovation.
Sheila Anne Battersby, Senior Policy Adviser, Cabinet Office. For services to civil society and community action in the north west of England.
Alison Sarah Baum, Founder and chief executive officer, Best Beginnings. For services to tackling child health inequalities.
Alison Linda Beane, Executive Headteacher, Mary Rose Academy, Cliffdale Primary Academy and Redwood Park Academy, Portsmouth and director, Solent Academies Trust. For services to education.
Jenny Beavan, costume designer. For services to drama production.
Victoria Caroline Beckham, fashion designer. For services to the fashion industry.
Susan Margaret Bennett, Head, St. Thomas Centre Nursery School, Birmingham. For services to education.
Professor Jacqueline Dunkley-Bent, Head of Maternity, NHS England. For services to midwifery.
Abdul Fazal Bhanji, Deputy Chair, University of London Board of Trustees. For services to education and young people.
Christopher Blythe, Chief Executive, Chartered Institute of Building, Bracknell. For services to the construction industry and government.
Lynda Ann Bonner, Founder, National Nursing and Midwifery Nursing Network. For services to the treatment of venous thromboembolism.
Eleanor Deirdre Brazil, Children's Services Commissioner, Slough. For services to children's social care.
Sarah Elizabeth Brennan, Chief Executive, Young Minds. For services to children and young people's mental health.
Patrick Brill, artist. For services to the arts.
Sonia Penny Briscoe MBE Chef de Mission, Rio 2016 Paralympic Games. For services to sport.
Sharon Marie Broome, Principal Forensic Investigator, Defence Science and Technology Laboratory. For services to defence.
Sarah Browne, Assistant Director, South Eastern Health and Social Care Trust. For services to the social care sector in Northern Ireland.
Colin Edward Jarrom Bryan, chief executive officer, Drayton Manor Theme Park. For services to charity and the community in Staffordshire.
Trevor Arthur Stanley Buchanan, Consultant Ophthalmic Surgeon, Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast. For services to healthcare in Northern Ireland and voluntary medical service in South Sudan.
Dr Bernard Joseph Bulkin. For services to the energy industry.
Julie Beverly Bullous, lately Executive Headteacher, Federation of Mary Howard and St. Andrew's Primary School, Tamworth, Staffordshire. For services to education.
Joanna Briant Burgess, Principal and Founder, Blossom House School, London. For services to children with special educational needs and disabilities.
Professor Claire Sorrel Callender, Professor of Higher Education Policy, Birkbeck University of London and Professor of Higher Education Studies, UCL Institute of Education. For services to education.
James Ronald Carr. For services to conservation, education and the community in Cumbria.
Michael Douglas Carr, lately board member, Innovate UK and non-executive director, Ordnance Survey. For services to innovation.
Michael Cavanagh. For services to sport and the Commonwealth Games movement.
Kathryn Cearns, lately Chair, Financial Reporting Advisory Board. For voluntary services to government financial reporting.
Emma Jane Mary Chamberlain, Barrister and Author. For services to government tax policy.
Dr Steven William Chase, Director of People, Thames Valley Police. For services to policing.
Edward Clancy MBE For services to cycling.
Dr Jonathan Clark, Executive Headteacher, Beckmead Family of Schools, Croydon. For services to children with special educational needs and disabilities.
Christopher Patrick Coleman, Manager, Wales national football team. For services to football.
Kim Lucille Considine, lately Head of North West Protected Persons Service, TITAN Regional Organised Crime Unit. For services to vulnerable victims and witnesses.
Christopher John Cook, Chairman, Lincolnshire Local Safeguarding Children Board. For services to children.
Janet Cooper, Partner, Tapestry Compliance. For services to equality, women's empowerment and employee share ownership.
Teresa Ann Cooper, Grade 7, Ministry of Defence. For services to defence acquisition.
Donna Alison Cornwell, Associate Headteacher, Swaffham Bulbeck Church of England Primary School, Cambridge. For services to education.
Stuart John Cornwell, Chair, A Way Out, and Chair, Spurgeons Child Care and Chair of the Advisory Panel, Safe Families for Children. For services to children and families.
Charles Counsell, Executive Director, Automatic Enrolment, The Pensions Regulator. For services to workplace pension reform.
Angela Mary Cox, Diocesan Director for Education, Roman Catholic Diocese of Leeds. For services to education.
Christine Janette Craik, Director of Occupational Therapy, Brunel University. For services to occupational therapy, particularly mental health services and education.
Dr Helen Mary Crews, lately Director, Animal and Plant Health Agency. For services to plant and bee health and voluntary services to the community in York.
Jody Alan Cundy MBE For services to cycling and swimming.
Professor Valentine David Cunningham, lately Professor of English Language and Literature, Corpus Christi College Oxford. For services to services to scholarship and understanding of humanities.
Arthur Terry Dafter, lately Director of Adult Social Care, Stockport Council. For services to children's and adult social care.
Dr Siriol David (Siriol Chapman), lately Head of Forensic Psychological Services, National Offender Management System Wales. For services to offender management.
Ian Norman Dodds, Senior Policy Adviser, Cabinet Office. For services to civil society and community action in the north east of England.
Anne Marie Duffy, lately Director of Qualifications, Council for the Curriculum, Examinations and Assessment. For services to education in Northern Ireland.
Anne Patricia Dunham MBE For services to para-equestrianism.
Professor Mary Elizabeth Dunning, lately Governor, Tyne Metropolitan College. For services to further and higher education and the community in the north east of England.
Ciara Eastell, lately President, Society of Chief Librarians. For services to public libraries.
Dr Carole Easton. For services to young people.
Toby Hal Michael Eccles, Social Investor and Founder, Social Finance. For services to social enterprise and investment and charity.
Dr Katy Emck, Founding Director, Fine Cell Work. For services to the rehabilitation of offenders.
Jonathan Mark England, Chef de Mission, Team GB and Director of Sport, British Olympic Association. For services to sport.
Professor Gene Solomon Feder, General Practitioner, Helios Medical Centre, Bristol and Professor of Primary Care, University of Bristol. For services to healthcare and victims of domestic abuse.
Amanda Foister, chief executive officer, Longridge Activity Centre, Buckinghamshire. For services to young people.
Aminatta Forna, author. For services to literature.
Jennifer Fowler, Senior Advisory Lawyer, Upper Tribunal (Administrative Appeals Chamber) H.M. Courts and Tribunal Service. For services to the administration of justice.
Alexander Clive Fox, chief executive officer, Shared Lives Plus. For services to social care.
Peter Alan Fox, leader, Monmouthshire County Council. For services to Cardiff capital region.
Michael John Foy, Regional Head for the Midlands and North West, Free Schools Capital Division, Education Funding Agency. For services to education.
Professor Simon Webster Frith, Tovey Professor of Music, University of Edinburgh. For services to higher education and popular music.
Professor John Anthony Furlong, Emeritus Professor of Education, Oxford University and Expert Initial Teacher Education Adviser for Wales. For services to research in education and government.
Brian John Russell Gale, Director of Policy and Campaigns, National Deaf Children's Society. For services to special educational needs.
Ryan Gander, artist. For services to contemporary art.
Margaret Gibson, lately Chief Executive, Women's Enterprise Scotland. For services to business and entrepreneurship.
Fiona Margaret Gilkison, Accelerated Payment Team Lead, H.M. Revenue and Customs. For services to tackling tax non-compliance and tax avoidance.
Kevin John Gilliland, Network and Sales Director, Post Office Ltd. For services to the post office and communities.
Jacqueline Giulianotti, Head, Allowance Office, Scottish Parliament. For parliamentary service.
Colin Glass, Senior Partner, Winburn Glass Norfolk. For services to business start-ups and entrepreneurship.
Samuel Bernard Goldblatt. For services to business and the community in Northern Ireland.
John Harry Martin Gosden. For services to horseracing and training.
James Christopher Gosling, Solicitor and Partner, Holman Fenwick Willan LLP. For services to the legal profession and maritime hostages.
Janet Frances Gough, lately Director, ChurchCare. For services to heritage.
David Ralph Gould, lately Executive Principal, ARK Boulton Academy, Birmingham and Regional Director (Secondary), ARK. For services to education.
Jane Ann Gray, Consultant Nurse. For services to homeless and vulnerable people in the Midlands.
Christopher Steven Green, Founder, White Ribbon Campaign. For services to equality.
Robert William Green, chief executive officer, Stonewall Housing. For services to LGBT communities.
Rosemary Greenlees, Executive Director, The Crafts Council. For services to the craft sector.
Imran Gulamhuseinwala, Global Lead for FinTech, Ernst and Young. For services to financial services.
Poonam Gupta, chief executive officer, PG Paper Company Ltd. For services to business and charity.
Richard Lionel Guy. For services to justice, mental health support and the community in Cambridgeshire.
Timothy Michael Haigh, trustee, Depaul International Development. For voluntary service to homeless people in the UK and particularly abroad.
Sheila Ann Hardwick, Senior Scientific Officer, Centre for Applied Science and Technology, Home Office. For services to forensic science.
Naomie Melanie Harris, actress. For services to drama.
Grant David Hearn, Joint Chair, Skills and Employment, London Enterprise Panel. For services to unemployed people in London.
Stephen Hill, chair, Action on Hearing Loss. For services to people with hearing problems and charity.
Andrew Triggs Hodge MBE For services to rowing.
Timothy Philip Hollingsworth, chief executive officer, British Paralympic Association. For services to sport.
Brian Richard Hooper, lately chief executive officer, Ambitions Academy Trust. For services to education.
Roma Cecila Anne Hooper, Founder and Chair, Prison Radio Association and co-Founder, Radio Feltham. For services to prisoners.
Elizabeth Claire Houghton, Co-founder and chief executive officer, Mint Velvet. For services to business and charity.
Professor Susan Elizabeth Hunston, Professor of English Language, University of Birmingham. For services to higher education and applied linguistics, English language teaching.
Kathryn Jacob, chief executive officer, Pearl and Dean. For services to the promotion of equality and diversity.
Dr Gaynor Carolyn Jeffery (Gaynor Perry), Assistant Director, EU Consumer Policy, Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. For services to consumer rights.
Bernadette Jones, District Manager, DWP Operations, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to unemployed people in South East Wales.
Professor Peter Malcolm Jones, Independent Transport Commissioner. For voluntary services to national transport policy.
Rosemary Jones, Headteacher, Elfed High School, Buckley, Flintshire. For services to education.
Shirley Kennerson, Head of South Essex Local Delivery Unit, Ministry of Justice. For services to probation and criminal justice.
Alison Cristine Kervin, Sports Editor, Mail on Sunday. For services to sports journalism.
Naseem Aslam Khan, managing director, Jennings Motor Group. For services to the economy and charity.
Professor Paul Vincent Knight, Associate Medical Director, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. For services to geriatric healthcare.
Catherine Large, Deputy chief executive officer, Creative and Cultural Skills. For services to the creative economy.
John George Lelliott, lately Interim chief financial officer, The Crown Estate. For services to the crown estate and the voluntary sector.
Sara Jane Lewis, Head of Prosecutions, Metropolitan Police. For services to criminal justice services.
Nicholas Linfield, Grade 6, Ministry of Defence. For services to defence.
Nicholas Roald (Christopher) Logsdail, Founder and director, Lisson Gallery. For services to the arts.
Keith Loraine, Chief Executive, Isos Housing Group. For services to housing and the community in North East England.
Barry Martyn Lowry, director, IS Shared Services and Strategy, Northern Ireland Executive. For services to government services and the IT industry in Northern Ireland.
Professor Mary Ann Lumsden, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of Glasgow. For services to women's health.
Elspeth MacDonald, lately Deputy Director, Criminal Justice, Scottish Government. For services to criminal justice.
James Lennox MacKenzie, violinist and lately chairman, London Symphony Orchestra. For services to music.
Dr Keith Alexander MacLean. For services to the energy industry.
Stephen David Maddock, Chief Executive, City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. For services to music, particularly in the West Midlands.
Dr Brinder Singh Mahon, chief executive officer, Nishkam School Trust. For services to education.
Ranald Mair, lately chief executive officer, Scottish Care. For services to social work and social care.
Philomena Margaret Marshall, Education Director and Trustee, Laidlaw Schools Trust and lately Executive Principal, Excelsior Academy, Newcastle upon Tyne. For services to education.
Clive Reginald Martin, lately Director, Clinks. For services to offenders and their families.
Carol Margaret McCall, Head of Civil Contingency Communications, Cabinet Office. For services to government civil contingency preparation and ceremonial planning.
Helen Elizabeth McCrory, actor. For services to drama.
Catherine Jane McCulloch, co-Director, Children's Parliament. For services to children's rights and wellbeing.
James Joseph McGonigle, District Manager, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to the Armed Forces Reserves and voluntary service to community sport in Haddington, East Lothian.
Angela McLernon, Chief Executive, Northern Ireland Practice and Education for Nurses and Midwives. For services to nursing.
Natasha Mesko, lately Head, Nepal Health Programme, Department for International Development. For services to humanitarian relief.
Caroline Miller, lately Director, One Dance UK. For services to the arts.
Susan Jill Miller, Head of Arts, Glasgow Life. For services to culture in Glasgow.
Tom Miskell, chair, Accent. For services to housing associations in North East England.
Dr Heather Anne Barrett-Mold. For services to horticulture, sustainable development and environmental conservation.
Hazel Caroline Moore, chairman and co-founder, FirstCapital. For services to entrepreneurship and innovation.
Darren James Mott, Director of Campaigning, Conservative Campaign Headquarters. For political service.
Professor Ghulam Jeelani Mufti, Professor of Haemato-oncology, School of Medicine, King's College London. For services to haematological medicine.
The Reverend Jennifer Susan Mullis, Assistant Director, Further Education and Legal Unit, Department for Education. For services to further education and to the community in York.
Ian Hamilton Munro, Group Chief Executive, New Charter Group. For services to housing.
Professor Rachel Anne Munton, lately managing director, East Midlands Academic Health Science Network. For services to healthcare.
Professor James Charles Neil, Professor of Virology and Molecular Oncology, University of Glasgow. For services to the advancement of biomedical sciences.
Professor Anne Neville, Royal Academy of Engineering Chair in Emerging Technologies, University of Leeds. For services to engineering.
James Henry Newman, lately Chair, Sheffield City Region Local Enterprise Partnership Board. For services to business, the economy and charity in Yorkshire.
Christopher David Newsome, director, Asset Management and Executive Director, Anglian Water. For services to civil engineering and carbon reduction.
Sheila Anne Nicoll, Head of Public Policy, Schroders. For services to financial services and voluntary service.
Julia Alice Nix, District Manager, Work Services Directorate, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to tackling youth unemployment in East Anglia.
Amanda Jane Nobbs (Mullarkey), Chair, Thames Regional Flood and Coastal Committee. For services to flood and coastal risk management and environment protection.
Carol Norman, Headteacher, Welbeck Primary School, Nottingham. For services to education.
Christopher Nott, Founder and Senior Partner, Capital Law LLP. For services to business and economic development in Wales.
Anthony Christopher O'Neill. For services to the agri-food sector in Northern Ireland.
Simon John Patrick, lately Principal Clerk of Select Committees, House of Commons. For parliamentary services.
Margaret Elizabeth Philbin, chief executive officer and Cofounder, TeenTech. For services to promoting careers in STEM and the creative industries.
Timothy Peter Pigott-Smith, actor. For services to drama.
Christopher Charles Pomfret. For services to the economy in Cornwall and South West England.
Thomas Stephen Potokar, founder, Interburns. For services to burns care and prevention abroad.
Shona Sands Powell, director, Nottingham Lakeside Arts. For services to the arts and education.
Lindsey Jane Pownall, lately Group chief executive officer, Samworth Brothers Ltd. For services to business growth and productivity.
Avtar Singh Purewal, Regional Head of Learning and Skills, H.M. Prison Service Yorkshire. For services to prisoners.
Dr Sharon Patricia Redrobe, chief executive officer, Twycross Zoo, East Midlands Zoological Society. For services to skills, science and the economy in Leicestershire.
Lieutenant Peter Reed MBE For services to rowing.
Professor John Van Reenen, economist. For services to economics and public policy making.
Professor Susan Margaret Rhind, Professor and Chair of Veterinary Education, The Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies. For services to veterinary education.
Professor Rosalind Jessie Richards, Head of International Study and Language Institute, University of Reading. For services to language support for international education.
Professor Teresa Margaret Ridge, Professor of Social Policy, University of Bath. For services to the social sciences.
Danny Rimer, Partner, Index Ventures and board member, Maggie's Cancer Caring Centres. For services to business and charity.
Michael Leonard Robbins, Principal, Bridgwater and Taunton College. For services to further education.
Robert Neil Robson, chief executive officer, The Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity. For services to naval personnel.
Marva Rollins, Headteacher, Raynham Primary School, Edmonton, London. For services to education.
Caroline Ross, lawyer, Department of Energy and Climate Change. For legal services to international climate change negotiations.
Peter William Rowley. For services to sports administration.
Ailsa Margaret Rutter, director, FRESH Smokefree North East. For services to tobacco control.
Bernie Ryan, Directorate Manager, St. Mary's Sexual Assault Referral Centre, Manchester. For services to supporting people affected by sexual assault.
Lynn Caroline Saunders, Governor, H.M. Prison Whatton. For public and voluntary services to prisoners in the UK and abroad.
Bruce Stewart Shepherd, managing director, Shepherd Offshore. For services to the economy and skills in the offshore sector.
Ann Shepperd, Chief Executive, Salix Finance Ltd and Trustee, Lucy Faithfull Foundation. For services to energy efficiency and voluntary service to child protection.
Edward Martin Sherry. For services to young people and policing.
Marlene Elizabeth Shiels, Chief Executive, Capital Credit Union. For services to financial services and financial inclusion.
Jasvir Singh, Founding Chair, City Sikhs. For voluntary service to faith communities and social cohesion.
Kathleen Slack (Smith), director, Enterprise M3 Local Enterprise Partnership. For services to the economy and the community of South East England.
Robert Keith Sleigh, leader, Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council. For services to local government.
Air Vice Marshal Michael David Smart DL Vice-Chairman (Air), Council of Reserve Forces and Cadets Associations. For voluntary service to the Armed Forces and the ex-service community.
Chaya Spitz, Chief Executive, Interlink Foundation. For services to the community and Jewish people in London.
Alison Katherine Spurway, County Vice-President, City of Glasgow. For services to Girlguiding and charity.
Dr Arthur David Steiner, Founder and Executive Officer, Hands Around The World. For humanitarian services to disadvantaged children abroad.
Neil Robin Stock, leader, Tendring District Council. For services to local government.
John Andrew Straw, lately Chief Executive, City and County of Swansea Council. For services to local government.
Professor Deborah Ann Sturdy, Nurse Adviser, Care England. For services to older people, dementia care and nursing.
Charlotte Victoria Sweeney, director, Charlotte Sweeney Associates. For services to women and equality.
Mohammad Taj, President, TUC. For services to trade unionism.
Caroline Taylor, Vice-President for Global Marketing and Communications, IBM. For services to marketing, diversity and prevention of human trafficking.
Professor Keri Vivien Thomas, Founder and National Clinical Lead, National Gold Standards Framework Centre in End of Life Care. For services to end of life care.
Keith Christopher Thompson, Technical Adviser, Department for International Development. For services to humanitarian relief.
Jonathan Mark Paul Tibbs, Chairman, Jon Tibbs Associates Ltd. For services to international trade and the sports sector.
Crispin Marshall Truman, Chief Executive, The Churches Conservation Trust. For services to heritage and charitable foundations.
Paul Harold Valerio, President, Swansea West Conservatives. For services to Welsh devolution.
Professor David Glyn Vaughan, Glaciologist, British Antarctic Survey. For services to glaciology.
Caroline Wake, Head, UK Delegation, Channel Tunnel Safety Authority. For services to transport safety and the community in Kent.
Aileen Walker, lately Director of Public Engagement, House of Commons. For services to improving public engagement with parliament and voluntary service to the community in London.
Kathryn Louise (Kate) Richardson-Walsh MBE For services to hockey.
Dr Brian Derek Ward, Head, National Resilience Assurance Team. For services to the fire and rescue service and national resilience.
Hugh Wark. For services to transport and the economy in Scotland.
Dr Martin Stanley Warren, Chief Executive, Butterfly Conservation. For services to the environment.
Professor Sally Wheeler, Professor of Law and Head of the School of Law, Queen's University Belfast. For services to higher education in Northern Ireland.
Alastair Geoffrey Whitehead, lately Deputy Principal Private Secretary to the Home Secretary, Home Office. For public service and voluntary services to policing.
Graham Arthur Widdecombe, Joint Head of Firearms Licensing, Home Office. For services to public safety and reducing risk to the public through the misuse of legal firearms.
Dr Christoph Stefan Wiesner, Chief Executive, The Welding Institute. For services to engineering and innovation.
Danny Wilks, resourcing manager, West Yorkshire Police. For services to policing and voluntary services to justice and the community in West Yorkshire.
Professor Michael Alan Hewlett Williams, Chief Executive, Gwrp Gwalia Cyf. For services to health, housing and homeless people in Wales.
Dr Lorna Mcleod Williamson, lately Director, NHS Blood and Transplant. For services to the advancement of blood, tissue and stem cell donations.
Professor Anne Elizabeth Willis, director, MRC Toxicology Unit, Leicester. For services to biomedical science and promoting the careers of women in science.
Colum Wilson. For services to humanitarian relief.
Dr William Benjamin Wilson. For services to the voluntary and charitable sectors in Northern Ireland.
Christiane Wuillamie, managing director, Elegius Ltd. For services to business.
Alexander Featherstonehaugh Wylie, The Honourable Lord Kinclaven, Founder, MiniTrials. For services to the introduction of the Scottish legal system in schools.
Dr Hakim Yadi, chief executive officer, Northern Health Science Alliance. For services to healthcare technology and the economy.
Andrew George Young, actuary, The Pensions Regulator. For services to pension policy and pensioners.

SteveMacD

08-16-2018, 09:14 PM

Angel75

08-16-2018, 10:38 PM

Neil Finn's name recognition in the US aside, he is undeniably a household name in a number of markets. But when things like 'Australian Music Hall of Fame' or 'OBE' are mentioned as reasons why everyone in the world should know his name, that DOES sound quite comical to me (and I'm Australian)!

The following people apparently received a non-military OBE in 2017 alone!!

Jane Acklam, Executive Principal and chief executive officer, Moor End Academies Trust. For services to education.
Gail Adams, Head of Nursing, UNISON. For services to nursing and public healthcare.
Nicola Adams MBE For services to boxing.
Diane Aderyn, Director of Finance and Commercial Services, University of Bath. For services to higher education.
Susan Victoria Mary Aglionby DL For services to young people and the community in Cumbria.
Rosalind Margaret Alstead, Director of Nursing and Clinical Standards, Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust. For services to nursing.
Professor Vidal Ashkenazi, Founding Director and chief executive officer, Nottingham Scientific Ltd. For services to science.
Iman Abou-Atta, Founder, SCEME. For services to community cohesion.
Sally Elizabeth Bacon. For services to culture and young people.
Joe Baden, Founder, Open Book Project. For services to higher education.
Susan Baker, director, Time to Change. For services to mental health.
Stephen Neville Bates, Chief Executive, Bioindustry Association. For services to innovation.
Sheila Anne Battersby, Senior Policy Adviser, Cabinet Office. For services to civil society and community action in the north west of England.
Alison Sarah Baum, Founder and chief executive officer, Best Beginnings. For services to tackling child health inequalities.
Alison Linda Beane, Executive Headteacher, Mary Rose Academy, Cliffdale Primary Academy and Redwood Park Academy, Portsmouth and director, Solent Academies Trust. For services to education.
Jenny Beavan, costume designer. For services to drama production.
Victoria Caroline Beckham, fashion designer. For services to the fashion industry.
Susan Margaret Bennett, Head, St. Thomas Centre Nursery School, Birmingham. For services to education.
Professor Jacqueline Dunkley-Bent, Head of Maternity, NHS England. For services to midwifery.
Abdul Fazal Bhanji, Deputy Chair, University of London Board of Trustees. For services to education and young people.
Christopher Blythe, Chief Executive, Chartered Institute of Building, Bracknell. For services to the construction industry and government.
Lynda Ann Bonner, Founder, National Nursing and Midwifery Nursing Network. For services to the treatment of venous thromboembolism.
Eleanor Deirdre Brazil, Children's Services Commissioner, Slough. For services to children's social care.
Sarah Elizabeth Brennan, Chief Executive, Young Minds. For services to children and young people's mental health.
Patrick Brill, artist. For services to the arts.
Sonia Penny Briscoe MBE Chef de Mission, Rio 2016 Paralympic Games. For services to sport.
Sharon Marie Broome, Principal Forensic Investigator, Defence Science and Technology Laboratory. For services to defence.
Sarah Browne, Assistant Director, South Eastern Health and Social Care Trust. For services to the social care sector in Northern Ireland.
Colin Edward Jarrom Bryan, chief executive officer, Drayton Manor Theme Park. For services to charity and the community in Staffordshire.
Trevor Arthur Stanley Buchanan, Consultant Ophthalmic Surgeon, Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast. For services to healthcare in Northern Ireland and voluntary medical service in South Sudan.
Dr Bernard Joseph Bulkin. For services to the energy industry.
Julie Beverly Bullous, lately Executive Headteacher, Federation of Mary Howard and St. Andrew's Primary School, Tamworth, Staffordshire. For services to education.
Joanna Briant Burgess, Principal and Founder, Blossom House School, London. For services to children with special educational needs and disabilities.
Professor Claire Sorrel Callender, Professor of Higher Education Policy, Birkbeck University of London and Professor of Higher Education Studies, UCL Institute of Education. For services to education.
James Ronald Carr. For services to conservation, education and the community in Cumbria.
Michael Douglas Carr, lately board member, Innovate UK and non-executive director, Ordnance Survey. For services to innovation.
Michael Cavanagh. For services to sport and the Commonwealth Games movement.
Kathryn Cearns, lately Chair, Financial Reporting Advisory Board. For voluntary services to government financial reporting.
Emma Jane Mary Chamberlain, Barrister and Author. For services to government tax policy.
Dr Steven William Chase, Director of People, Thames Valley Police. For services to policing.
Edward Clancy MBE For services to cycling.
Dr Jonathan Clark, Executive Headteacher, Beckmead Family of Schools, Croydon. For services to children with special educational needs and disabilities.
Christopher Patrick Coleman, Manager, Wales national football team. For services to football.
Kim Lucille Considine, lately Head of North West Protected Persons Service, TITAN Regional Organised Crime Unit. For services to vulnerable victims and witnesses.
Christopher John Cook, Chairman, Lincolnshire Local Safeguarding Children Board. For services to children.
Janet Cooper, Partner, Tapestry Compliance. For services to equality, women's empowerment and employee share ownership.
Teresa Ann Cooper, Grade 7, Ministry of Defence. For services to defence acquisition.
Donna Alison Cornwell, Associate Headteacher, Swaffham Bulbeck Church of England Primary School, Cambridge. For services to education.
Stuart John Cornwell, Chair, A Way Out, and Chair, Spurgeons Child Care and Chair of the Advisory Panel, Safe Families for Children. For services to children and families.
Charles Counsell, Executive Director, Automatic Enrolment, The Pensions Regulator. For services to workplace pension reform.
Angela Mary Cox, Diocesan Director for Education, Roman Catholic Diocese of Leeds. For services to education.
Christine Janette Craik, Director of Occupational Therapy, Brunel University. For services to occupational therapy, particularly mental health services and education.
Dr Helen Mary Crews, lately Director, Animal and Plant Health Agency. For services to plant and bee health and voluntary services to the community in York.
Jody Alan Cundy MBE For services to cycling and swimming.
Professor Valentine David Cunningham, lately Professor of English Language and Literature, Corpus Christi College Oxford. For services to services to scholarship and understanding of humanities.
Arthur Terry Dafter, lately Director of Adult Social Care, Stockport Council. For services to children's and adult social care.
Dr Siriol David (Siriol Chapman), lately Head of Forensic Psychological Services, National Offender Management System Wales. For services to offender management.
Ian Norman Dodds, Senior Policy Adviser, Cabinet Office. For services to civil society and community action in the north east of England.
Anne Marie Duffy, lately Director of Qualifications, Council for the Curriculum, Examinations and Assessment. For services to education in Northern Ireland.
Anne Patricia Dunham MBE For services to para-equestrianism.
Professor Mary Elizabeth Dunning, lately Governor, Tyne Metropolitan College. For services to further and higher education and the community in the north east of England.
Ciara Eastell, lately President, Society of Chief Librarians. For services to public libraries.
Dr Carole Easton. For services to young people.
Toby Hal Michael Eccles, Social Investor and Founder, Social Finance. For services to social enterprise and investment and charity.
Dr Katy Emck, Founding Director, Fine Cell Work. For services to the rehabilitation of offenders.
Jonathan Mark England, Chef de Mission, Team GB and Director of Sport, British Olympic Association. For services to sport.
Professor Gene Solomon Feder, General Practitioner, Helios Medical Centre, Bristol and Professor of Primary Care, University of Bristol. For services to healthcare and victims of domestic abuse.
Amanda Foister, chief executive officer, Longridge Activity Centre, Buckinghamshire. For services to young people.
Aminatta Forna, author. For services to literature.
Jennifer Fowler, Senior Advisory Lawyer, Upper Tribunal (Administrative Appeals Chamber) H.M. Courts and Tribunal Service. For services to the administration of justice.
Alexander Clive Fox, chief executive officer, Shared Lives Plus. For services to social care.
Peter Alan Fox, leader, Monmouthshire County Council. For services to Cardiff capital region.
Michael John Foy, Regional Head for the Midlands and North West, Free Schools Capital Division, Education Funding Agency. For services to education.
Professor Simon Webster Frith, Tovey Professor of Music, University of Edinburgh. For services to higher education and popular music.
Professor John Anthony Furlong, Emeritus Professor of Education, Oxford University and Expert Initial Teacher Education Adviser for Wales. For services to research in education and government.
Brian John Russell Gale, Director of Policy and Campaigns, National Deaf Children's Society. For services to special educational needs.
Ryan Gander, artist. For services to contemporary art.
Margaret Gibson, lately Chief Executive, Women's Enterprise Scotland. For services to business and entrepreneurship.
Fiona Margaret Gilkison, Accelerated Payment Team Lead, H.M. Revenue and Customs. For services to tackling tax non-compliance and tax avoidance.
Kevin John Gilliland, Network and Sales Director, Post Office Ltd. For services to the post office and communities.
Jacqueline Giulianotti, Head, Allowance Office, Scottish Parliament. For parliamentary service.
Colin Glass, Senior Partner, Winburn Glass Norfolk. For services to business start-ups and entrepreneurship.
Samuel Bernard Goldblatt. For services to business and the community in Northern Ireland.
John Harry Martin Gosden. For services to horseracing and training.
James Christopher Gosling, Solicitor and Partner, Holman Fenwick Willan LLP. For services to the legal profession and maritime hostages.
Janet Frances Gough, lately Director, ChurchCare. For services to heritage.
David Ralph Gould, lately Executive Principal, ARK Boulton Academy, Birmingham and Regional Director (Secondary), ARK. For services to education.
Jane Ann Gray, Consultant Nurse. For services to homeless and vulnerable people in the Midlands.
Christopher Steven Green, Founder, White Ribbon Campaign. For services to equality.
Robert William Green, chief executive officer, Stonewall Housing. For services to LGBT communities.
Rosemary Greenlees, Executive Director, The Crafts Council. For services to the craft sector.
Imran Gulamhuseinwala, Global Lead for FinTech, Ernst and Young. For services to financial services.
Poonam Gupta, chief executive officer, PG Paper Company Ltd. For services to business and charity.
Richard Lionel Guy. For services to justice, mental health support and the community in Cambridgeshire.
Timothy Michael Haigh, trustee, Depaul International Development. For voluntary service to homeless people in the UK and particularly abroad.
Sheila Ann Hardwick, Senior Scientific Officer, Centre for Applied Science and Technology, Home Office. For services to forensic science.
Naomie Melanie Harris, actress. For services to drama.
Grant David Hearn, Joint Chair, Skills and Employment, London Enterprise Panel. For services to unemployed people in London.
Stephen Hill, chair, Action on Hearing Loss. For services to people with hearing problems and charity.
Andrew Triggs Hodge MBE For services to rowing.
Timothy Philip Hollingsworth, chief executive officer, British Paralympic Association. For services to sport.
Brian Richard Hooper, lately chief executive officer, Ambitions Academy Trust. For services to education.
Roma Cecila Anne Hooper, Founder and Chair, Prison Radio Association and co-Founder, Radio Feltham. For services to prisoners.
Elizabeth Claire Houghton, Co-founder and chief executive officer, Mint Velvet. For services to business and charity.
Professor Susan Elizabeth Hunston, Professor of English Language, University of Birmingham. For services to higher education and applied linguistics, English language teaching.
Kathryn Jacob, chief executive officer, Pearl and Dean. For services to the promotion of equality and diversity.
Dr Gaynor Carolyn Jeffery (Gaynor Perry), Assistant Director, EU Consumer Policy, Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. For services to consumer rights.
Bernadette Jones, District Manager, DWP Operations, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to unemployed people in South East Wales.
Professor Peter Malcolm Jones, Independent Transport Commissioner. For voluntary services to national transport policy.
Rosemary Jones, Headteacher, Elfed High School, Buckley, Flintshire. For services to education.
Shirley Kennerson, Head of South Essex Local Delivery Unit, Ministry of Justice. For services to probation and criminal justice.
Alison Cristine Kervin, Sports Editor, Mail on Sunday. For services to sports journalism.
Naseem Aslam Khan, managing director, Jennings Motor Group. For services to the economy and charity.
Professor Paul Vincent Knight, Associate Medical Director, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. For services to geriatric healthcare.
Catherine Large, Deputy chief executive officer, Creative and Cultural Skills. For services to the creative economy.
John George Lelliott, lately Interim chief financial officer, The Crown Estate. For services to the crown estate and the voluntary sector.
Sara Jane Lewis, Head of Prosecutions, Metropolitan Police. For services to criminal justice services.
Nicholas Linfield, Grade 6, Ministry of Defence. For services to defence.
Nicholas Roald (Christopher) Logsdail, Founder and director, Lisson Gallery. For services to the arts.
Keith Loraine, Chief Executive, Isos Housing Group. For services to housing and the community in North East England.
Barry Martyn Lowry, director, IS Shared Services and Strategy, Northern Ireland Executive. For services to government services and the IT industry in Northern Ireland.
Professor Mary Ann Lumsden, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of Glasgow. For services to women's health.
Elspeth MacDonald, lately Deputy Director, Criminal Justice, Scottish Government. For services to criminal justice.
James Lennox MacKenzie, violinist and lately chairman, London Symphony Orchestra. For services to music.
Dr Keith Alexander MacLean. For services to the energy industry.
Stephen David Maddock, Chief Executive, City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. For services to music, particularly in the West Midlands.
Dr Brinder Singh Mahon, chief executive officer, Nishkam School Trust. For services to education.
Ranald Mair, lately chief executive officer, Scottish Care. For services to social work and social care.
Philomena Margaret Marshall, Education Director and Trustee, Laidlaw Schools Trust and lately Executive Principal, Excelsior Academy, Newcastle upon Tyne. For services to education.
Clive Reginald Martin, lately Director, Clinks. For services to offenders and their families.
Carol Margaret McCall, Head of Civil Contingency Communications, Cabinet Office. For services to government civil contingency preparation and ceremonial planning.
Helen Elizabeth McCrory, actor. For services to drama.
Catherine Jane McCulloch, co-Director, Children's Parliament. For services to children's rights and wellbeing.
James Joseph McGonigle, District Manager, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to the Armed Forces Reserves and voluntary service to community sport in Haddington, East Lothian.
Angela McLernon, Chief Executive, Northern Ireland Practice and Education for Nurses and Midwives. For services to nursing.
Natasha Mesko, lately Head, Nepal Health Programme, Department for International Development. For services to humanitarian relief.
Caroline Miller, lately Director, One Dance UK. For services to the arts.
Susan Jill Miller, Head of Arts, Glasgow Life. For services to culture in Glasgow.
Tom Miskell, chair, Accent. For services to housing associations in North East England.
Dr Heather Anne Barrett-Mold. For services to horticulture, sustainable development and environmental conservation.
Hazel Caroline Moore, chairman and co-founder, FirstCapital. For services to entrepreneurship and innovation.
Darren James Mott, Director of Campaigning, Conservative Campaign Headquarters. For political service.
Professor Ghulam Jeelani Mufti, Professor of Haemato-oncology, School of Medicine, King's College London. For services to haematological medicine.
The Reverend Jennifer Susan Mullis, Assistant Director, Further Education and Legal Unit, Department for Education. For services to further education and to the community in York.
Ian Hamilton Munro, Group Chief Executive, New Charter Group. For services to housing.
Professor Rachel Anne Munton, lately managing director, East Midlands Academic Health Science Network. For services to healthcare.
Professor James Charles Neil, Professor of Virology and Molecular Oncology, University of Glasgow. For services to the advancement of biomedical sciences.
Professor Anne Neville, Royal Academy of Engineering Chair in Emerging Technologies, University of Leeds. For services to engineering.
James Henry Newman, lately Chair, Sheffield City Region Local Enterprise Partnership Board. For services to business, the economy and charity in Yorkshire.
Christopher David Newsome, director, Asset Management and Executive Director, Anglian Water. For services to civil engineering and carbon reduction.
Sheila Anne Nicoll, Head of Public Policy, Schroders. For services to financial services and voluntary service.
Julia Alice Nix, District Manager, Work Services Directorate, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to tackling youth unemployment in East Anglia.
Amanda Jane Nobbs (Mullarkey), Chair, Thames Regional Flood and Coastal Committee. For services to flood and coastal risk management and environment protection.
Carol Norman, Headteacher, Welbeck Primary School, Nottingham. For services to education.
Christopher Nott, Founder and Senior Partner, Capital Law LLP. For services to business and economic development in Wales.
Anthony Christopher O'Neill. For services to the agri-food sector in Northern Ireland.
Simon John Patrick, lately Principal Clerk of Select Committees, House of Commons. For parliamentary services.
Margaret Elizabeth Philbin, chief executive officer and Cofounder, TeenTech. For services to promoting careers in STEM and the creative industries.
Timothy Peter Pigott-Smith, actor. For services to drama.
Christopher Charles Pomfret. For services to the economy in Cornwall and South West England.
Thomas Stephen Potokar, founder, Interburns. For services to burns care and prevention abroad.
Shona Sands Powell, director, Nottingham Lakeside Arts. For services to the arts and education.
Lindsey Jane Pownall, lately Group chief executive officer, Samworth Brothers Ltd. For services to business growth and productivity.
Avtar Singh Purewal, Regional Head of Learning and Skills, H.M. Prison Service Yorkshire. For services to prisoners.
Dr Sharon Patricia Redrobe, chief executive officer, Twycross Zoo, East Midlands Zoological Society. For services to skills, science and the economy in Leicestershire.
Lieutenant Peter Reed MBE For services to rowing.
Professor John Van Reenen, economist. For services to economics and public policy making.
Professor Susan Margaret Rhind, Professor and Chair of Veterinary Education, The Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies. For services to veterinary education.
Professor Rosalind Jessie Richards, Head of International Study and Language Institute, University of Reading. For services to language support for international education.
Professor Teresa Margaret Ridge, Professor of Social Policy, University of Bath. For services to the social sciences.
Danny Rimer, Partner, Index Ventures and board member, Maggie's Cancer Caring Centres. For services to business and charity.
Michael Leonard Robbins, Principal, Bridgwater and Taunton College. For services to further education.
Robert Neil Robson, chief executive officer, The Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity. For services to naval personnel.
Marva Rollins, Headteacher, Raynham Primary School, Edmonton, London. For services to education.
Caroline Ross, lawyer, Department of Energy and Climate Change. For legal services to international climate change negotiations.
Peter William Rowley. For services to sports administration.
Ailsa Margaret Rutter, director, FRESH Smokefree North East. For services to tobacco control.
Bernie Ryan, Directorate Manager, St. Mary's Sexual Assault Referral Centre, Manchester. For services to supporting people affected by sexual assault.
Lynn Caroline Saunders, Governor, H.M. Prison Whatton. For public and voluntary services to prisoners in the UK and abroad.
Bruce Stewart Shepherd, managing director, Shepherd Offshore. For services to the economy and skills in the offshore sector.
Ann Shepperd, Chief Executive, Salix Finance Ltd and Trustee, Lucy Faithfull Foundation. For services to energy efficiency and voluntary service to child protection.
Edward Martin Sherry. For services to young people and policing.
Marlene Elizabeth Shiels, Chief Executive, Capital Credit Union. For services to financial services and financial inclusion.
Jasvir Singh, Founding Chair, City Sikhs. For voluntary service to faith communities and social cohesion.
Kathleen Slack (Smith), director, Enterprise M3 Local Enterprise Partnership. For services to the economy and the community of South East England.
Robert Keith Sleigh, leader, Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council. For services to local government.
Air Vice Marshal Michael David Smart DL Vice-Chairman (Air), Council of Reserve Forces and Cadets Associations. For voluntary service to the Armed Forces and the ex-service community.
Chaya Spitz, Chief Executive, Interlink Foundation. For services to the community and Jewish people in London.
Alison Katherine Spurway, County Vice-President, City of Glasgow. For services to Girlguiding and charity.
Dr Arthur David Steiner, Founder and Executive Officer, Hands Around The World. For humanitarian services to disadvantaged children abroad.
Neil Robin Stock, leader, Tendring District Council. For services to local government.
John Andrew Straw, lately Chief Executive, City and County of Swansea Council. For services to local government.
Professor Deborah Ann Sturdy, Nurse Adviser, Care England. For services to older people, dementia care and nursing.
Charlotte Victoria Sweeney, director, Charlotte Sweeney Associates. For services to women and equality.
Mohammad Taj, President, TUC. For services to trade unionism.
Caroline Taylor, Vice-President for Global Marketing and Communications, IBM. For services to marketing, diversity and prevention of human trafficking.
Professor Keri Vivien Thomas, Founder and National Clinical Lead, National Gold Standards Framework Centre in End of Life Care. For services to end of life care.
Keith Christopher Thompson, Technical Adviser, Department for International Development. For services to humanitarian relief.
Jonathan Mark Paul Tibbs, Chairman, Jon Tibbs Associates Ltd. For services to international trade and the sports sector.
Crispin Marshall Truman, Chief Executive, The Churches Conservation Trust. For services to heritage and charitable foundations.
Paul Harold Valerio, President, Swansea West Conservatives. For services to Welsh devolution.
Professor David Glyn Vaughan, Glaciologist, British Antarctic Survey. For services to glaciology.
Caroline Wake, Head, UK Delegation, Channel Tunnel Safety Authority. For services to transport safety and the community in Kent.
Aileen Walker, lately Director of Public Engagement, House of Commons. For services to improving public engagement with parliament and voluntary service to the community in London.
Kathryn Louise (Kate) Richardson-Walsh MBE For services to hockey.
Dr Brian Derek Ward, Head, National Resilience Assurance Team. For services to the fire and rescue service and national resilience.
Hugh Wark. For services to transport and the economy in Scotland.
Dr Martin Stanley Warren, Chief Executive, Butterfly Conservation. For services to the environment.
Professor Sally Wheeler, Professor of Law and Head of the School of Law, Queen's University Belfast. For services to higher education in Northern Ireland.
Alastair Geoffrey Whitehead, lately Deputy Principal Private Secretary to the Home Secretary, Home Office. For public service and voluntary services to policing.
Graham Arthur Widdecombe, Joint Head of Firearms Licensing, Home Office. For services to public safety and reducing risk to the public through the misuse of legal firearms.
Dr Christoph Stefan Wiesner, Chief Executive, The Welding Institute. For services to engineering and innovation.
Danny Wilks, resourcing manager, West Yorkshire Police. For services to policing and voluntary services to justice and the community in West Yorkshire.
Professor Michael Alan Hewlett Williams, Chief Executive, Gwrp Gwalia Cyf. For services to health, housing and homeless people in Wales.
Dr Lorna Mcleod Williamson, lately Director, NHS Blood and Transplant. For services to the advancement of blood, tissue and stem cell donations.
Professor Anne Elizabeth Willis, director, MRC Toxicology Unit, Leicester. For services to biomedical science and promoting the careers of women in science.
Colum Wilson. For services to humanitarian relief.
Dr William Benjamin Wilson. For services to the voluntary and charitable sectors in Northern Ireland.
Christiane Wuillamie, managing director, Elegius Ltd. For services to business.
Alexander Featherstonehaugh Wylie, The Honourable Lord Kinclaven, Founder, MiniTrials. For services to the introduction of the Scottish legal system in schools.
Dr Hakim Yadi, chief executive officer, Northern Health Science Alliance. For services to healthcare technology and the economy.
Andrew George Young, actuary, The Pensions Regulator. For services to pension policy and pensioners.

Yeah agreed that list does seem never-ending!

BUT there is about 2.3billion people in the Commonwealth, about a third of the worlds population so that puts it a little more in perspective ;)

gldstwmn

08-16-2018, 11:56 PM

It wasn’t really allowed, I got a 10 day ban. But I don’t regret saying what many people in this board think. Yes, I will claim to speak for others just like you do.

For someone who spends hours each day taking shots at people but keeping the language just tame enough to keep under the mods radar screen, you have ridiculously thin skin. And you are the primary reason few people want to engage on this forum. You can’t let 90% of posts go without comment, it’s an absurd obsession. You also have to steer discussion into the direction you want. And you’re a misogynist.

Try taking a breath once in a while when you read a post you don’t like. Try expressing your feelings about Stevie Nicks using adult words. Try to avoid needing to rally people to your side like you’re in high school. Let this be a true discussion board - where people are allowed to express themselves without getting pounded on the head by you each time. Just some advice.

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gldstwmn

08-17-2018, 12:03 AM

Based on what Homer is a mysoginist? Because he doesn't like Stevie? Because I honestly haven't seen him verbally attacking any female poster here. Stevie's fans are ALWAYS gonna complain. No news here.

I don't think Homer is speaking on behalf of Elle without speaking with her before. Many posters here talk outside this forum. :rolleyes:

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HomerMcvie

08-17-2018, 01:26 AM

So you've had a few. Sweet.

David

08-17-2018, 11:45 AM

The following people apparently received a non-military OBE in 2017 alone!! (snip)

I've always admired the achievements of Arthur Terry Dafter, lately Director of Adult Social Care, Stockport Council, for his services to children's and adult social care, Joe. He's a cut above. I think he could bring something special to Fleetwood Mac, too.

dreamsunwind

08-17-2018, 12:03 PM

Well, equally glad my pointing out the irrelevancy of someone’s familiarity illicited such a positive counter response!!!! :thumbsup:

My opinions, familiarities and experiences are all perfectly relevant as are the opinions, experiences and familiarities of anyone else. I may not always agree with the thoughts of others but I certainly would never call them irrelevant :)

dreamsunwind

08-17-2018, 12:04 PM

Neil Finn's name recognition in the US aside, he is undeniably a household name in a number of markets. But when things like 'Australian Music Hall of Fame' or 'OBE' are mentioned as reasons why everyone in the world should know his name, that DOES sound quite comical to me (and I'm Australian)!

The following people apparently received a non-military OBE in 2017 alone!!

Jane Acklam, Executive Principal and chief executive officer, Moor End Academies Trust. For services to education.
Gail Adams, Head of Nursing, UNISON. For services to nursing and public healthcare.
Nicola Adams MBE For services to boxing.
Diane Aderyn, Director of Finance and Commercial Services, University of Bath. For services to higher education.
Susan Victoria Mary Aglionby DL For services to young people and the community in Cumbria.
Rosalind Margaret Alstead, Director of Nursing and Clinical Standards, Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust. For services to nursing.
Professor Vidal Ashkenazi, Founding Director and chief executive officer, Nottingham Scientific Ltd. For services to science.
Iman Abou-Atta, Founder, SCEME. For services to community cohesion.
Sally Elizabeth Bacon. For services to culture and young people.
Joe Baden, Founder, Open Book Project. For services to higher education.
Susan Baker, director, Time to Change. For services to mental health.
Stephen Neville Bates, Chief Executive, Bioindustry Association. For services to innovation.
Sheila Anne Battersby, Senior Policy Adviser, Cabinet Office. For services to civil society and community action in the north west of England.
Alison Sarah Baum, Founder and chief executive officer, Best Beginnings. For services to tackling child health inequalities.
Alison Linda Beane, Executive Headteacher, Mary Rose Academy, Cliffdale Primary Academy and Redwood Park Academy, Portsmouth and director, Solent Academies Trust. For services to education.
Jenny Beavan, costume designer. For services to drama production.
Victoria Caroline Beckham, fashion designer. For services to the fashion industry.
Susan Margaret Bennett, Head, St. Thomas Centre Nursery School, Birmingham. For services to education.
Professor Jacqueline Dunkley-Bent, Head of Maternity, NHS England. For services to midwifery.
Abdul Fazal Bhanji, Deputy Chair, University of London Board of Trustees. For services to education and young people.
Christopher Blythe, Chief Executive, Chartered Institute of Building, Bracknell. For services to the construction industry and government.
Lynda Ann Bonner, Founder, National Nursing and Midwifery Nursing Network. For services to the treatment of venous thromboembolism.
Eleanor Deirdre Brazil, Children's Services Commissioner, Slough. For services to children's social care.
Sarah Elizabeth Brennan, Chief Executive, Young Minds. For services to children and young people's mental health.
Patrick Brill, artist. For services to the arts.
Sonia Penny Briscoe MBE Chef de Mission, Rio 2016 Paralympic Games. For services to sport.
Sharon Marie Broome, Principal Forensic Investigator, Defence Science and Technology Laboratory. For services to defence.
Sarah Browne, Assistant Director, South Eastern Health and Social Care Trust. For services to the social care sector in Northern Ireland.
Colin Edward Jarrom Bryan, chief executive officer, Drayton Manor Theme Park. For services to charity and the community in Staffordshire.
Trevor Arthur Stanley Buchanan, Consultant Ophthalmic Surgeon, Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast. For services to healthcare in Northern Ireland and voluntary medical service in South Sudan.
Dr Bernard Joseph Bulkin. For services to the energy industry.
Julie Beverly Bullous, lately Executive Headteacher, Federation of Mary Howard and St. Andrew's Primary School, Tamworth, Staffordshire. For services to education.
Joanna Briant Burgess, Principal and Founder, Blossom House School, London. For services to children with special educational needs and disabilities.
Professor Claire Sorrel Callender, Professor of Higher Education Policy, Birkbeck University of London and Professor of Higher Education Studies, UCL Institute of Education. For services to education.
James Ronald Carr. For services to conservation, education and the community in Cumbria.
Michael Douglas Carr, lately board member, Innovate UK and non-executive director, Ordnance Survey. For services to innovation.
Michael Cavanagh. For services to sport and the Commonwealth Games movement.
Kathryn Cearns, lately Chair, Financial Reporting Advisory Board. For voluntary services to government financial reporting.
Emma Jane Mary Chamberlain, Barrister and Author. For services to government tax policy.
Dr Steven William Chase, Director of People, Thames Valley Police. For services to policing.
Edward Clancy MBE For services to cycling.
Dr Jonathan Clark, Executive Headteacher, Beckmead Family of Schools, Croydon. For services to children with special educational needs and disabilities.
Christopher Patrick Coleman, Manager, Wales national football team. For services to football.
Kim Lucille Considine, lately Head of North West Protected Persons Service, TITAN Regional Organised Crime Unit. For services to vulnerable victims and witnesses.
Christopher John Cook, Chairman, Lincolnshire Local Safeguarding Children Board. For services to children.
Janet Cooper, Partner, Tapestry Compliance. For services to equality, women's empowerment and employee share ownership.
Teresa Ann Cooper, Grade 7, Ministry of Defence. For services to defence acquisition.
Donna Alison Cornwell, Associate Headteacher, Swaffham Bulbeck Church of England Primary School, Cambridge. For services to education.
Stuart John Cornwell, Chair, A Way Out, and Chair, Spurgeons Child Care and Chair of the Advisory Panel, Safe Families for Children. For services to children and families.
Charles Counsell, Executive Director, Automatic Enrolment, The Pensions Regulator. For services to workplace pension reform.
Angela Mary Cox, Diocesan Director for Education, Roman Catholic Diocese of Leeds. For services to education.
Christine Janette Craik, Director of Occupational Therapy, Brunel University. For services to occupational therapy, particularly mental health services and education.
Dr Helen Mary Crews, lately Director, Animal and Plant Health Agency. For services to plant and bee health and voluntary services to the community in York.
Jody Alan Cundy MBE For services to cycling and swimming.
Professor Valentine David Cunningham, lately Professor of English Language and Literature, Corpus Christi College Oxford. For services to services to scholarship and understanding of humanities.
Arthur Terry Dafter, lately Director of Adult Social Care, Stockport Council. For services to children's and adult social care.
Dr Siriol David (Siriol Chapman), lately Head of Forensic Psychological Services, National Offender Management System Wales. For services to offender management.
Ian Norman Dodds, Senior Policy Adviser, Cabinet Office. For services to civil society and community action in the north east of England.
Anne Marie Duffy, lately Director of Qualifications, Council for the Curriculum, Examinations and Assessment. For services to education in Northern Ireland.
Anne Patricia Dunham MBE For services to para-equestrianism.
Professor Mary Elizabeth Dunning, lately Governor, Tyne Metropolitan College. For services to further and higher education and the community in the north east of England.
Ciara Eastell, lately President, Society of Chief Librarians. For services to public libraries.
Dr Carole Easton. For services to young people.
Toby Hal Michael Eccles, Social Investor and Founder, Social Finance. For services to social enterprise and investment and charity.
Dr Katy Emck, Founding Director, Fine Cell Work. For services to the rehabilitation of offenders.
Jonathan Mark England, Chef de Mission, Team GB and Director of Sport, British Olympic Association. For services to sport.
Professor Gene Solomon Feder, General Practitioner, Helios Medical Centre, Bristol and Professor of Primary Care, University of Bristol. For services to healthcare and victims of domestic abuse.
Amanda Foister, chief executive officer, Longridge Activity Centre, Buckinghamshire. For services to young people.
Aminatta Forna, author. For services to literature.
Jennifer Fowler, Senior Advisory Lawyer, Upper Tribunal (Administrative Appeals Chamber) H.M. Courts and Tribunal Service. For services to the administration of justice.
Alexander Clive Fox, chief executive officer, Shared Lives Plus. For services to social care.
Peter Alan Fox, leader, Monmouthshire County Council. For services to Cardiff capital region.
Michael John Foy, Regional Head for the Midlands and North West, Free Schools Capital Division, Education Funding Agency. For services to education.
Professor Simon Webster Frith, Tovey Professor of Music, University of Edinburgh. For services to higher education and popular music.
Professor John Anthony Furlong, Emeritus Professor of Education, Oxford University and Expert Initial Teacher Education Adviser for Wales. For services to research in education and government.
Brian John Russell Gale, Director of Policy and Campaigns, National Deaf Children's Society. For services to special educational needs.
Ryan Gander, artist. For services to contemporary art.
Margaret Gibson, lately Chief Executive, Women's Enterprise Scotland. For services to business and entrepreneurship.
Fiona Margaret Gilkison, Accelerated Payment Team Lead, H.M. Revenue and Customs. For services to tackling tax non-compliance and tax avoidance.
Kevin John Gilliland, Network and Sales Director, Post Office Ltd. For services to the post office and communities.
Jacqueline Giulianotti, Head, Allowance Office, Scottish Parliament. For parliamentary service.
Colin Glass, Senior Partner, Winburn Glass Norfolk. For services to business start-ups and entrepreneurship.
Samuel Bernard Goldblatt. For services to business and the community in Northern Ireland.
John Harry Martin Gosden. For services to horseracing and training.
James Christopher Gosling, Solicitor and Partner, Holman Fenwick Willan LLP. For services to the legal profession and maritime hostages.
Janet Frances Gough, lately Director, ChurchCare. For services to heritage.
David Ralph Gould, lately Executive Principal, ARK Boulton Academy, Birmingham and Regional Director (Secondary), ARK. For services to education.
Jane Ann Gray, Consultant Nurse. For services to homeless and vulnerable people in the Midlands.
Christopher Steven Green, Founder, White Ribbon Campaign. For services to equality.
Robert William Green, chief executive officer, Stonewall Housing. For services to LGBT communities.
Rosemary Greenlees, Executive Director, The Crafts Council. For services to the craft sector.
Imran Gulamhuseinwala, Global Lead for FinTech, Ernst and Young. For services to financial services.
Poonam Gupta, chief executive officer, PG Paper Company Ltd. For services to business and charity.
Richard Lionel Guy. For services to justice, mental health support and the community in Cambridgeshire.
Timothy Michael Haigh, trustee, Depaul International Development. For voluntary service to homeless people in the UK and particularly abroad.
Sheila Ann Hardwick, Senior Scientific Officer, Centre for Applied Science and Technology, Home Office. For services to forensic science.
Naomie Melanie Harris, actress. For services to drama.
Grant David Hearn, Joint Chair, Skills and Employment, London Enterprise Panel. For services to unemployed people in London.
Stephen Hill, chair, Action on Hearing Loss. For services to people with hearing problems and charity.
Andrew Triggs Hodge MBE For services to rowing.
Timothy Philip Hollingsworth, chief executive officer, British Paralympic Association. For services to sport.
Brian Richard Hooper, lately chief executive officer, Ambitions Academy Trust. For services to education.
Roma Cecila Anne Hooper, Founder and Chair, Prison Radio Association and co-Founder, Radio Feltham. For services to prisoners.
Elizabeth Claire Houghton, Co-founder and chief executive officer, Mint Velvet. For services to business and charity.
Professor Susan Elizabeth Hunston, Professor of English Language, University of Birmingham. For services to higher education and applied linguistics, English language teaching.
Kathryn Jacob, chief executive officer, Pearl and Dean. For services to the promotion of equality and diversity.
Dr Gaynor Carolyn Jeffery (Gaynor Perry), Assistant Director, EU Consumer Policy, Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. For services to consumer rights.
Bernadette Jones, District Manager, DWP Operations, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to unemployed people in South East Wales.
Professor Peter Malcolm Jones, Independent Transport Commissioner. For voluntary services to national transport policy.
Rosemary Jones, Headteacher, Elfed High School, Buckley, Flintshire. For services to education.
Shirley Kennerson, Head of South Essex Local Delivery Unit, Ministry of Justice. For services to probation and criminal justice.
Alison Cristine Kervin, Sports Editor, Mail on Sunday. For services to sports journalism.
Naseem Aslam Khan, managing director, Jennings Motor Group. For services to the economy and charity.
Professor Paul Vincent Knight, Associate Medical Director, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. For services to geriatric healthcare.
Catherine Large, Deputy chief executive officer, Creative and Cultural Skills. For services to the creative economy.
John George Lelliott, lately Interim chief financial officer, The Crown Estate. For services to the crown estate and the voluntary sector.
Sara Jane Lewis, Head of Prosecutions, Metropolitan Police. For services to criminal justice services.
Nicholas Linfield, Grade 6, Ministry of Defence. For services to defence.
Nicholas Roald (Christopher) Logsdail, Founder and director, Lisson Gallery. For services to the arts.
Keith Loraine, Chief Executive, Isos Housing Group. For services to housing and the community in North East England.
Barry Martyn Lowry, director, IS Shared Services and Strategy, Northern Ireland Executive. For services to government services and the IT industry in Northern Ireland.
Professor Mary Ann Lumsden, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of Glasgow. For services to women's health.
Elspeth MacDonald, lately Deputy Director, Criminal Justice, Scottish Government. For services to criminal justice.
James Lennox MacKenzie, violinist and lately chairman, London Symphony Orchestra. For services to music.
Dr Keith Alexander MacLean. For services to the energy industry.
Stephen David Maddock, Chief Executive, City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. For services to music, particularly in the West Midlands.
Dr Brinder Singh Mahon, chief executive officer, Nishkam School Trust. For services to education.
Ranald Mair, lately chief executive officer, Scottish Care. For services to social work and social care.
Philomena Margaret Marshall, Education Director and Trustee, Laidlaw Schools Trust and lately Executive Principal, Excelsior Academy, Newcastle upon Tyne. For services to education.
Clive Reginald Martin, lately Director, Clinks. For services to offenders and their families.
Carol Margaret McCall, Head of Civil Contingency Communications, Cabinet Office. For services to government civil contingency preparation and ceremonial planning.
Helen Elizabeth McCrory, actor. For services to drama.
Catherine Jane McCulloch, co-Director, Children's Parliament. For services to children's rights and wellbeing.
James Joseph McGonigle, District Manager, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to the Armed Forces Reserves and voluntary service to community sport in Haddington, East Lothian.
Angela McLernon, Chief Executive, Northern Ireland Practice and Education for Nurses and Midwives. For services to nursing.
Natasha Mesko, lately Head, Nepal Health Programme, Department for International Development. For services to humanitarian relief.
Caroline Miller, lately Director, One Dance UK. For services to the arts.
Susan Jill Miller, Head of Arts, Glasgow Life. For services to culture in Glasgow.
Tom Miskell, chair, Accent. For services to housing associations in North East England.
Dr Heather Anne Barrett-Mold. For services to horticulture, sustainable development and environmental conservation.
Hazel Caroline Moore, chairman and co-founder, FirstCapital. For services to entrepreneurship and innovation.
Darren James Mott, Director of Campaigning, Conservative Campaign Headquarters. For political service.
Professor Ghulam Jeelani Mufti, Professor of Haemato-oncology, School of Medicine, King's College London. For services to haematological medicine.
The Reverend Jennifer Susan Mullis, Assistant Director, Further Education and Legal Unit, Department for Education. For services to further education and to the community in York.
Ian Hamilton Munro, Group Chief Executive, New Charter Group. For services to housing.
Professor Rachel Anne Munton, lately managing director, East Midlands Academic Health Science Network. For services to healthcare.
Professor James Charles Neil, Professor of Virology and Molecular Oncology, University of Glasgow. For services to the advancement of biomedical sciences.
Professor Anne Neville, Royal Academy of Engineering Chair in Emerging Technologies, University of Leeds. For services to engineering.
James Henry Newman, lately Chair, Sheffield City Region Local Enterprise Partnership Board. For services to business, the economy and charity in Yorkshire.
Christopher David Newsome, director, Asset Management and Executive Director, Anglian Water. For services to civil engineering and carbon reduction.
Sheila Anne Nicoll, Head of Public Policy, Schroders. For services to financial services and voluntary service.
Julia Alice Nix, District Manager, Work Services Directorate, Department for Work and Pensions. For services to tackling youth unemployment in East Anglia.
Amanda Jane Nobbs (Mullarkey), Chair, Thames Regional Flood and Coastal Committee. For services to flood and coastal risk management and environment protection.
Carol Norman, Headteacher, Welbeck Primary School, Nottingham. For services to education.
Christopher Nott, Founder and Senior Partner, Capital Law LLP. For services to business and economic development in Wales.
Anthony Christopher O'Neill. For services to the agri-food sector in Northern Ireland.
Simon John Patrick, lately Principal Clerk of Select Committees, House of Commons. For parliamentary services.
Margaret Elizabeth Philbin, chief executive officer and Cofounder, TeenTech. For services to promoting careers in STEM and the creative industries.
Timothy Peter Pigott-Smith, actor. For services to drama.
Christopher Charles Pomfret. For services to the economy in Cornwall and South West England.
Thomas Stephen Potokar, founder, Interburns. For services to burns care and prevention abroad.
Shona Sands Powell, director, Nottingham Lakeside Arts. For services to the arts and education.
Lindsey Jane Pownall, lately Group chief executive officer, Samworth Brothers Ltd. For services to business growth and productivity.
Avtar Singh Purewal, Regional Head of Learning and Skills, H.M. Prison Service Yorkshire. For services to prisoners.
Dr Sharon Patricia Redrobe, chief executive officer, Twycross Zoo, East Midlands Zoological Society. For services to skills, science and the economy in Leicestershire.
Lieutenant Peter Reed MBE For services to rowing.
Professor John Van Reenen, economist. For services to economics and public policy making.
Professor Susan Margaret Rhind, Professor and Chair of Veterinary Education, The Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies. For services to veterinary education.
Professor Rosalind Jessie Richards, Head of International Study and Language Institute, University of Reading. For services to language support for international education.
Professor Teresa Margaret Ridge, Professor of Social Policy, University of Bath. For services to the social sciences.
Danny Rimer, Partner, Index Ventures and board member, Maggie's Cancer Caring Centres. For services to business and charity.
Michael Leonard Robbins, Principal, Bridgwater and Taunton College. For services to further education.
Robert Neil Robson, chief executive officer, The Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity. For services to naval personnel.
Marva Rollins, Headteacher, Raynham Primary School, Edmonton, London. For services to education.
Caroline Ross, lawyer, Department of Energy and Climate Change. For legal services to international climate change negotiations.
Peter William Rowley. For services to sports administration.
Ailsa Margaret Rutter, director, FRESH Smokefree North East. For services to tobacco control.
Bernie Ryan, Directorate Manager, St. Mary's Sexual Assault Referral Centre, Manchester. For services to supporting people affected by sexual assault.
Lynn Caroline Saunders, Governor, H.M. Prison Whatton. For public and voluntary services to prisoners in the UK and abroad.
Bruce Stewart Shepherd, managing director, Shepherd Offshore. For services to the economy and skills in the offshore sector.
Ann Shepperd, Chief Executive, Salix Finance Ltd and Trustee, Lucy Faithfull Foundation. For services to energy efficiency and voluntary service to child protection.
Edward Martin Sherry. For services to young people and policing.
Marlene Elizabeth Shiels, Chief Executive, Capital Credit Union. For services to financial services and financial inclusion.
Jasvir Singh, Founding Chair, City Sikhs. For voluntary service to faith communities and social cohesion.
Kathleen Slack (Smith), director, Enterprise M3 Local Enterprise Partnership. For services to the economy and the community of South East England.
Robert Keith Sleigh, leader, Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council. For services to local government.
Air Vice Marshal Michael David Smart DL Vice-Chairman (Air), Council of Reserve Forces and Cadets Associations. For voluntary service to the Armed Forces and the ex-service community.
Chaya Spitz, Chief Executive, Interlink Foundation. For services to the community and Jewish people in London.
Alison Katherine Spurway, County Vice-President, City of Glasgow. For services to Girlguiding and charity.
Dr Arthur David Steiner, Founder and Executive Officer, Hands Around The World. For humanitarian services to disadvantaged children abroad.
Neil Robin Stock, leader, Tendring District Council. For services to local government.
John Andrew Straw, lately Chief Executive, City and County of Swansea Council. For services to local government.
Professor Deborah Ann Sturdy, Nurse Adviser, Care England. For services to older people, dementia care and nursing.
Charlotte Victoria Sweeney, director, Charlotte Sweeney Associates. For services to women and equality.
Mohammad Taj, President, TUC. For services to trade unionism.
Caroline Taylor, Vice-President for Global Marketing and Communications, IBM. For services to marketing, diversity and prevention of human trafficking.
Professor Keri Vivien Thomas, Founder and National Clinical Lead, National Gold Standards Framework Centre in End of Life Care. For services to end of life care.
Keith Christopher Thompson, Technical Adviser, Department for International Development. For services to humanitarian relief.
Jonathan Mark Paul Tibbs, Chairman, Jon Tibbs Associates Ltd. For services to international trade and the sports sector.
Crispin Marshall Truman, Chief Executive, The Churches Conservation Trust. For services to heritage and charitable foundations.
Paul Harold Valerio, President, Swansea West Conservatives. For services to Welsh devolution.
Professor David Glyn Vaughan, Glaciologist, British Antarctic Survey. For services to glaciology.
Caroline Wake, Head, UK Delegation, Channel Tunnel Safety Authority. For services to transport safety and the community in Kent.
Aileen Walker, lately Director of Public Engagement, House of Commons. For services to improving public engagement with parliament and voluntary service to the community in London.
Kathryn Louise (Kate) Richardson-Walsh MBE For services to hockey.
Dr Brian Derek Ward, Head, National Resilience Assurance Team. For services to the fire and rescue service and national resilience.
Hugh Wark. For services to transport and the economy in Scotland.
Dr Martin Stanley Warren, Chief Executive, Butterfly Conservation. For services to the environment.
Professor Sally Wheeler, Professor of Law and Head of the School of Law, Queen's University Belfast. For services to higher education in Northern Ireland.
Alastair Geoffrey Whitehead, lately Deputy Principal Private Secretary to the Home Secretary, Home Office. For public service and voluntary services to policing.
Graham Arthur Widdecombe, Joint Head of Firearms Licensing, Home Office. For services to public safety and reducing risk to the public through the misuse of legal firearms.
Dr Christoph Stefan Wiesner, Chief Executive, The Welding Institute. For services to engineering and innovation.
Danny Wilks, resourcing manager, West Yorkshire Police. For services to policing and voluntary services to justice and the community in West Yorkshire.
Professor Michael Alan Hewlett Williams, Chief Executive, Gwrp Gwalia Cyf. For services to health, housing and homeless people in Wales.
Dr Lorna Mcleod Williamson, lately Director, NHS Blood and Transplant. For services to the advancement of blood, tissue and stem cell donations.
Professor Anne Elizabeth Willis, director, MRC Toxicology Unit, Leicester. For services to biomedical science and promoting the careers of women in science.
Colum Wilson. For services to humanitarian relief.
Dr William Benjamin Wilson. For services to the voluntary and charitable sectors in Northern Ireland.
Christiane Wuillamie, managing director, Elegius Ltd. For services to business.
Alexander Featherstonehaugh Wylie, The Honourable Lord Kinclaven, Founder, MiniTrials. For services to the introduction of the Scottish legal system in schools.
Dr Hakim Yadi, chief executive officer, Northern Health Science Alliance. For services to healthcare technology and the economy.
Andrew George Young, actuary, The Pensions Regulator. For services to pension policy and pensioners.

This list is cracking me up for some reason. The fact that someone got ordained for welding.

FuzzyPlum

08-17-2018, 12:50 PM

Hey,
we are very proud of the British honours system. Only the most talented elite are recognised;

Victoria Caroline Beckham, fashion designer. For services to the fashion industry

jwd

08-17-2018, 06:07 PM

So you've had a few. Sweet.

Were you two ever married or ex lovers?

HomerMcvie

08-17-2018, 06:35 PM

Were you two ever married or ex lovers?

We've just been here for a hundred years.

jwd

08-17-2018, 06:37 PM

We've just been here for a hundred years.

Is it like Grandparents getting divorced? :laugh:

HomerMcvie

08-17-2018, 06:50 PM

Is it like Grandparents getting divorced? :laugh:

Perhaps. I don't hate. Her, anyway. Seriously.

jwd

08-17-2018, 06:56 PM

Perhaps. I don't hate. Her, anyway. Seriously.

Nice to know. Hate is a strong word. Connecting through music brings a lot of us together, especially when we have other differences driving us apart.

HomerMcvie

08-17-2018, 06:58 PM

Nice to know. Hate is a strong word. Connecting through music brings a lot of us together, especially when we have other differences driving us apart.

Just like five fireflies.

Oh wait, four.

Nevermind...

jwd

08-17-2018, 07:02 PM

Just like five fireflies.

Oh wait, four.

Nevermind...

Excellent point! Why oh why couldn't it have turned out differently?!

Hawkeye

08-17-2018, 07:45 PM

Just like five fireflies.

Oh wait, four.

Nevermind...

That’s one of the things that I’m most puzzled about on this board. How are YOU not at least somewhat excited about the musical potential aspect of all of this. This “it’s too late to start over now” attitude is such Bull****. There’s no proof whatsoever that this tour could be INCREDIBLE and maybe even far better then the 5 fireflies.

Sure it’s too late for it to “matter” necessarily in music history or this “legacy” everyone keeps crying about like we should give a **** about their legacy or that their legacy hasn’t long being written:laugh:

But this is such a gift to diehard fans, assuming they’re not primarily fans of the fireflies being together. A fan of the entire history of the band can see Lindsey play a 20 song set in the fall and then see a 25 song set by FM in the winter (or closer together for some) even with some cross over that’s 35-40+ different songs we get to hear live in 2018!

And yes I know some would say “Its just oh so much better when these 5 musical soulmates share a stage” but that just hasn’t been reality since 1982, and i didn’t think you were one of those people anyway.

DownOnRodeo

08-17-2018, 08:27 PM

I've always admired the achievements of Arthur Terry Dafter, lately Director of Adult Social Care, Stockport Council, for his services to children's and adult social care, Joe. He's a cut above. I think he could bring something special to Fleetwood Mac, too.

:lol: There are certainly some 'adult children' he could care for in the band. Good luck Arthur Dafter (best Rock n Roll name ever)--although I hear he may be fired and replaced with 'Edward Clancy', known for his 'services to cycling' (ol' Arthur Dafter lacked that signature Lindsey finesse for giving speeches about 'cycles').