Stevie Nicks survived abusive relationship with former bandmate Lindsey Buckingham, c

[TheWildHeart67]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/07/06/stevie-nicks-survived-abusive-relationship-with-former-bandmate-lindsey-buckingham-crippling-drug-addiction-book-claims.html

[TheWildHeart67]

Didn't this book come out a while ago? I wonder why Fox news is talking about it now?

[paleshadow]

Didn't this book come out a while ago? I wonder why Fox news is talking about it now?

Probably just because they've been in the news recently with the firing of Lindsey and the tour. My Barnes and Noble had a FM section on their display wall the other day, with Buckingham Mc Vie, The Very Best of FM, and 24 Karat Gold.

[sodascouts]

It ticks me off that this Davis guy can regurgitate a bunch of interviews others have done, get half his facts wrong, and still make money off of Stevie... while the gullible public eats it up. They also believe everything they read because hey, it wouldn't get published in a book if it weren't true!

So many people actually believe Stevie wrote this herself, or at least was interviewed extensively for it, simply because it has her picture on it and says "biography."

Nope. That would be an AUTObiography, folks. And this is not one. This is crap.

Thanks for the incisive reporting that lends credence to it, foxnews!

[mitzo]

OK so she did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey.:(:distress:

[dreamsunwind]

Stevie has never "reported" that Lindsey abused her (unless you're talking about the Tusk thing and Tango incident). We don't know what happened or didn't happen all those years ago but that she reported anything is completely untrue. I think a lot of people who aren't as familiar with Stevie/FM think that this book is a legit biography of Stevie which is why it pops up in the news every now and then. I actually got curious by all the terrible reviews that some fans gave the book so I skimmed through it myself and it really is pretty bad. Tons of inaccurate info, a lot of stories and things seemingly just pulled out of thin air, actual facts that are clearly checkable completely wrong and whatnot. Stevie never even spoke to the writer and I highly doubt anyone close to her did either and just "requested anonymity". This same writer also wrote a Carly Simon bio and he said he was a friend of Carly and she acknowledged that she knew him but she was FURIOUS about the book and denounced it and denounced the things he tried to portray in it and said she has never spoken to him about it and it wasn't authorized and all that. So in general I wouldn't give this book/writer too much attention.

[mitzo]

Therefore she did not survive an abusive relationship. Because the author of the book is a goof and did not talk to her.

[dreamsunwind]

Therefore she did not survive an abusive relationship. Because the author of the book is a goof and did not talk to her.

I literally said that I have no idea what happened or didn't happen in that relationship. Just that things coming from this particular writer aren't legitimate. Other than that I have no idea. It was certainly a very toxic relationship, but anything beyond that none of us could know and I doubt we'll ever know.

[TheWildHeart67]

Yeah, I have no desire to read this cookie cutter book. As far as abuse, I do think he beat-up Carol Ann Harris. The co-producer of the Rumours album, Ken Caliat, has a blog, and he was asked about his opinion. He said he saw Lindsey "rough up" a few women, and doesn't doubt that he hit Carol Ann. But he also said Lindsey is a changed man after he had kids.
As for if he hit Stevie, he didn't mention it.

[dreamsunwind]

Yeah, I have no desire to read this cookie cutter book. As far as abuse, I do think he beat-up Carol Ann Harris. The co-producer of the Rumours album, Ken Caliat, has a blog, and he was asked about his opinion. He said he saw Lindsey "rough up" a few women, and doesn't doubt that he hit Carol Ann. But he also said Lindsey is a changed man after he had kids.
As for if he hit Stevie, he didn't mention it.

Yeah I read his blog too. I actually liked it since he didn't have that same pretentious tone as in his book and a lot of interviews. He hasn't posted in years though. But I agree with most of what you said. I read a recent-ish interview where when Stevie talked about the Tusk New Zealand incident and she was saying how when Lindsey started doing whatever he was doing, she didn't know how to react because no one had ever been "physical" with her before in her life. So who even knows. In general I don't really feel comfortable speculating about this type of thing.

[StevieandChris]

If anyone is curious I say get it from the library. It is not terrible and is a fast read, but there is no new info. It’s basically like he took a whole bunch of feature articles and interviews in chronological order and then smushed them altogether, somehow managing to get a few easily verifiable facts wrong.

I enjoyed Zoe’s book a lot more than this one.

[dreamsunwind]

If anyone is curious I say get it from the library. It is not terrible and is a fast read, but there is no new info. It’s basically like he took a whole bunch of feature articles and interviews in chronological order and then smushed them altogether, somehow managing to get a few easily verifiable facts wrong.

I enjoyed Zoe’s book a lot more than this one.

When I skimmed through it I remember reading some tall tale that said Stevie had specific requests to not have African American limo drivers. As if trying to say that she's a racist. That's when I put it down and realized it was crap. And then seeing how Carly Simon denounced the book he put out on her, it made more sense.
IA that the Zoe Howe book was at least more reliable but I doubt we'll ever get an actual "good" book on Stevie since all the writers have to base it off of is her interviews and other accounts and things, all of which are pretty exaggerated and many of which contradict each other.

[Jondalar]

Well he must not have been to mean, she has more than her share of self esteem. Hard to believe.

[aleuzzi]

The book was trash. This news story not substantiated. However, given the timing of its release coinciding with the band’s attempt to reboot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story wasn’t encouraged by Stevie or Mick.

There’s little doubt of Lindsey’s abrasiveness, and of his occasionally being a class-A jerk. But claims of abuse should never be taken lightly or casually accepted as truth. I have yet to read any unquestionably reliable source confirming this—including Carol Ann Harris.

[mitzo]

The book was trash. This news story not substantiated. However, given the timing of its release coinciding with the band’s attempt to reboot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story wasn’t encouraged by Stevie or Mick.

There’s little doubt of Lindsey’s abrasiveness, and of his occasionally being a class-A jerk. But claims of abuse should never be taken lightly or casually accepted as truth. I have yet to read any unquestionably reliable source confirming this—including Carol Ann Harris.

There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.

[aleuzzi]

There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.

Your extrapolation of my comment is neither accurate nor fair. My hesitation about considering Lindsey an abuser of Stevie has nothing to do with his artistry. In fact, many great artists have turned out to be awful human beings in so many ways (Wagner comes to mind). My concern about these claims is that Stevie herself has never claimed that Lindsey abused her. There is the Australian concert where he might have tried to kick her on stage and the notorious 1987 breakup at Christine’s house. And even then neither incident has been clearly and reliably reported.

Should Stevie actually come forward and make claims, then we have another matter on hand—and even then we would not take the claim lightly or casually. This doesn’t mean we would refuse to believe her but that the claim would need to be balanced with corroborating testimony, if available, and weighed against his comments, too. It’s called due process. So don’t try to put words in my mouth.

[AncientQueen]

I don't doubt that Lindsey has been an abusive asshole towards his former girlfriends. That did cost him, his image has been tarnished for decades.

But that has never kept Stevie, Mick, John or Christine from making music with him, cashing their checks and enjoy their stardom. That also did not keep Stevie from decades of slow dancing, stage romance and sad eyes interviews about how much she loved him. Also, where were the fans protesting him during concerts, who boycotted the band? I certainly did not, while I have my problems with his character, he has won me over again and again by being one hell of an musician, a great entertainer and a powerstation onstage.

But now that the band is heaviliy criticized for firing him, this is suddenly a thing for the band and for the FM fans? GMAFB.

It does also not mean that he has been unable to change, to become a better man, mellow out and be a good husband and father.

[gldstwmn]

Didn't this book come out a while ago? I wonder why Fox news is talking about it now?
I was thinking the same thing. Plus that book was so full of inaccuracies. I haven't even read it.

[gldstwmn]

It ticks me off that this Davis guy can regurgitate a bunch of interviews others have done, get half his facts wrong, and still make money off of Stevie... while the gullible public eats it up. They also believe everything they read because hey, it wouldn't get published in a book if it weren't true!

So many people actually believe Stevie wrote this herself, or at least was interviewed extensively for it, simply because it has her picture on it and says "biography."

Nope. That would be an AUTObiography, folks. And this is not one. This is crap.

Thanks for the incisive reporting that lends credence to it, foxnews!

I don't understand why Stephen Davis is held in high regard as a writer. After this it makes me question his past works including Hammer of the Gods which was supposed to be a high water mark for him.

[gldstwmn]

Stevie has never "reported" that Lindsey abused her (unless you're talking about the Tusk thing and Tango incident). We don't know what happened or didn't happen all those years ago but that she reported anything is completely untrue. I think a lot of people who aren't as familiar with Stevie/FM think that this book is a legit biography of Stevie which is why it pops up in the news every now and then. I actually got curious by all the terrible reviews that some fans gave the book so I skimmed through it myself and it really is pretty bad. Tons of inaccurate info, a lot of stories and things seemingly just pulled out of thin air, actual facts that are clearly checkable completely wrong and whatnot. Stevie never even spoke to the writer and I highly doubt anyone close to her did either and just "requested anonymity". This same writer also wrote a Carly Simon bio and he said he was a friend of Carly and she acknowledged that she knew him but she was FURIOUS about the book and denounced it and denounced the things he tried to portray in it and said she has never spoken to him about it and it wasn't authorized and all that. So in general I wouldn't give this book/writer too much attention.
He really should be ashamed of himself. This is a guy who has access and could write some compelling stories. Instead he's a hack. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

When I skimmed through it I remember reading some tall tale that said Stevie had specific requests to not have African American limo drivers.
That is insane. Where was he even trying to go with that? She's the last person who would ever be accused of that.

[mitzo]

Stevie does not have to state that she was abused, her song lyrics and behaviors do it.

[gldstwmn]

The book was trash. This news story not substantiated. However, given the timing of its release coinciding with the band’s attempt to reboot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story wasn’t encouraged by Stevie or Mick.

There’s little doubt of Lindsey’s abrasiveness, and of his occasionally being a class-A jerk. But claims of abuse should never be taken lightly or casually accepted as truth. I have yet to read any unquestionably reliable source confirming this—including Carol Ann Harris.

It's in her book and I know that I'm in the minority here but it's quite good.

[gldstwmn]

There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.

:lol::lol::lol: Talented people are saintly yo.

[aleuzzi]

It's in her book and I know that I'm in the minority here but it's quite good.

Her—you mean Carol Anne Harris? It’s an entertaining read and I believe there is some truth to it. But Stevie has never made direct claims for herself.

[aleuzzi]

:lol::lol::lol: Talented people are saintly yo.

No one in this thread has said or implied this except you and Mitzo.

[lilyfee]

I wouldn't doubt that Lindsey was abusive however I would need to hear it from Stevie or someone actually close to her before I believe it. This book just rehashes interviews that have been accessible in the public domain for years. I think it's well-documented that Lindsey could be condescending towards Stevie, and undoubtedly nasty at times, but that is hardly the salacious abusive relationship that this author is trying to promote. I'm annoyed that so many news outlets are rehashing the author's twisted conclusions as news.

[John Run]

Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.

[TheWildHeart67]

Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.
John Run,
that is the most intelligent, and unbiased reply to this topic, I've ever read on the Ledge.
Finally, some sanity.

[dreamsunwind]

That is insane. Where was he even trying to go with that? She's the last person who would ever be accused of that.

It was just very casually mentioned and then not discussed again which shows you how the book is ridiculous and you can tell by all the interviews he gave promoting it that he's not legit. He was going for the attention-grabby things. From what I read, his book on Carly had similar issues. No new information and things that were 'new' were made up stories that he put under the umbrella of having come from sources that didn't want to be named. Carly denounced the book. But probably a lot of people that don't know that and don't know much about Stevie will see the book and read it thinking it's legit.

[gldstwmn]

Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.

If anyone's driving something into the ground it ain't the three of us. :laugh:

[iamnotafraid]

Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

[sands of time]

Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

Lindsey and the fans.

[gldstwmn]

Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

Oh please. :rolleyes:

[button-lip]

Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

He survived the stalking part, that’s for sure.

[iamnotafraid]

Oh please. :rolleyes:

And you were there when Stevie was being abused?

Let us know what really happened will you please?

[HomerMcvie]

Oh please. :rolleyes:

Because the woman is ALWAYS the victim. You're the President of Misandry, if ever there was one.

Doesn't your back hurt, from dragging that damned thing around...? (that cross)

[fleetwoodguy79]

I felt compelled to finally comment.

I’ve been mostly an observer over the past few months here.

I find it fascinating that all of the back and forth, drama, selfishness, misplaced loyalties, rumors, and speculation on this forum is a pure reflection on this band, and of us. What otherwise would draw us into this so passionately?

Carry on...

[TheWildHeart67]

https://www.iheart.com/content/2018-07-09-lindsey-buckingham-abused-stevie-nicks-for-years-says-biographer/
Now iHeartRadio is running another version of the story.

[dreamsunwind]

https://www.iheart.com/content/2018-07-09-lindsey-buckingham-abused-stevie-nicks-for-years-says-biographer/
Now iHeartRadio is running another version of the story.

Wow lol. Clickbait sure gets around.

[Roxy]

Wasn't this book released last year? Whether or not Lindsey's relationship with Stevie was abusive, I think it's ridiculous how it's just being brought up now because of his firing.

[HomerMcvie]

Wasn't this book released last year? Whether or not Lindsey's relationship with Stevie was abusive, I think it's ridiculous how it's just being brought up now because of his firing.

"Me too" has put the world(including at least a person here) on a witch hunt.

If you waited 40+ years to bitch about it, STFU.:shrug:

[iamnotafraid]

"Me too" has put the world(including at least a person here) on a witch hunt...

With as many lies or should I say exaggerations as Ms. Nicks has
told over the past few decades, how can we believe anything she
says?

Until there's proof of her stories, I'll stand by Lindsey.

And why she hates Germans I'll never know.

[HomerMcvie]

With as many lies or should I say exaggerations as Ms. Nicks has
told over the past few decades, how can we believe anything she
says?

Until there's proof of her stories, I'll stand by Lindsey.

And why she hates Germans I'll never know.
$tevie would never tell lie$.

Amen. I'm beside you.

Germans, too? I heard that she hates a certain ethnicity of drivers, too. She's apparently quite the saint.

[TheWildHeart67]

[QUOTE]"Me too" has put the world(including at least a person here) on a witch hunt. If you waited 40+ years to bitch about it, STFU.
/QUOTE]
Awe, Homie. Stevie didn't write the book, nor does she embrace books made about her life, as they are not "authorized."
The media, is re-hyping this old story, and the timing obviously comes as his firing has been in the news lately.
"Me too" is not linked to Stevie or Lindsey.
Would you like a Zima?
Ice cold and back on the market.
Button-lip, grab yourself a Zima as well.
Zomething different.

[sodascouts]

Awe, Homie. Stevie didn't write the book, nor does she embrace books made about her life, as they are not "authorized."


Exactly. I don't blame Stevie for this. She never claimed she was abused. People make this claim "on her behalf."

It's funny how people will talk about the importance of giving women a voice, but still feel comfortable putting words into their mouths.

[iamnotafraid]

Germans, too? I heard that she hates a certain ethnicity of drivers, too. She's apparently quite the saint.

I'm starting to put two and two together.

[HomerMcvie]

Exactly. I don't blame Stevie for this. She never claimed she was abused. People make this claim "on her behalf."

It's funny how people will talk about the importance of giving women a voice, but still feel comfortable putting words into into their mouths.

I DO give her credit for not making this claim. Everyone else is doing it for her.

HOWEVER, if she did make the claim, she'd look like a freaking IDIOT, after pretending to still be in love with him for the past 43 years.

[iamnotafraid]

[QUOTE=sodascouts;1232465]

It's funny how people will talk about the importance of giving women a voice, but still feel comfortable putting words into into their mouths./QUOTE]
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Did you just throw Homer (David) a softball?

[sodascouts]

Did you just throw Homer (David) a softball?

I don't think so, no. In what way do you mean?

[HomerMcvie]

I don't think so, no. In what way do you mean?

I was wondering the same(of them, not you).

[SteveMacD]

My take is that he didn’t abuse Stevie. She or her people would have said something about it by now if it had happened. She was all too comfortable playing the victim, especially during SA, to not have let it slip by now. If anything, Stevie admitted she got physical with him.

That said, Lindsey all but admits he had issues back in the day. I don’t really doubt he got physical with CAH, but that wouldn’t have had an impact on the band. He was absolutely no saint, but he got help and made positive changes. What’s the statute of limitations on something like that?

The biggest reason she didn’t want to make another album with him is because she mostly didn’t enjoy making albums with him. Rumours wasn’t fun for her, Tusk, Mirage, TITN, and SYW weren’t fun for her…. Why would the next one be fun? And, for as much pride as she had with IYD, its lack of sales legitimately made her question the value of going through the process. (Personally, my response would be for art’s sake.)

[button-lip]

I DO give her credit for not making this claim. Everyone else is doing it for her.

HOWEVER, if she did make the claim, she'd look like a freaking IDIOT, after pretending to still be in love with him for the past 43 years.

This is precisely why it's hard to believe she was ever abused by him.

And I don't think she's pretending to still be in love with him. I think she still is. She has a hate-love relationship with him like never seen before.

[HomerMcvie]

And I don't think she's pretending to still be in love with him. I think she still is. She has a hate-love relationship with him like never seen before.

And that's just SICK.

[TheWildHeart67]

[QUOTE][And that's just SICK.QUOTE]
You and Button seem to have a love/hate thing with Stevie as well. I know you'll say it's a "hate/hate" thing.
But the whole time I've bet on this board, years, it's all you two talk about 🤔
Bitter and scorned.
Awe, please, have a Zima😋
Before it's gone.

[HomerMcvie]

[QUOTE][And that's just SICK.QUOTE]
You and Button seem to have a love/hate thing with Stevie as well. I know you'll say it's a "hate/hate" thing.
But the whole time I've bet on this board, years, it's all you two talk about 🤔
Bitter and scorned.
Awe, please, have a Zima😋
Before it's gone.

Do you know that if you click the QUOTE button, that the quote in your post will appear in the manner in which it's intended?

Please don't try to police other's thoughts here. Button and I are entitled to our opinions, as are you. I'd like for you to post more hateful things about $tevie Nick$. Can you handle that?

And lastly, I prefer bourbon, on the rocks. Not that p*ssy Zima garbage.

[button-lip]

[QUOTE][And that's just SICK.QUOTE]
You and Button seem to have a love/hate thing with Stevie as well. I know you'll say it's a "hate/hate" thing.
But the whole time I've bet on this board, years, it's all you two talk about 🤔
Bitter and scorned.
Awe, please, have a Zima😋
Before it's gone.

Homer has talked many times about his favorite Stevie’s album, Bella Donna. I used to talk endlessly about Lindsey. Not anymore because of people like you who have a problem with other people’s opinions and everything is a personal attack. So, this is the only place where I’m posting right now.

Please, tell me where in my post I trashed sweet Stevie. Don’t they have a love-hate relationship? Please, as a Stevie fan, enlighten me.

[TheWildHeart67]

I'm not into policing anybody.
I just find you hilarious.
Yeah, I can handle it.
It's amusing

[gldstwmn]

And why she hates Germans I'll never know.

So does Donald Trump. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

I'm not into policing anybody.
I just find you hilarious.
Yeah, I can handle it.
It's amusing

Could you get me a bourbon on the rocks? Then say 5 Hail $tevies!

[TheWildHeart67]

Oh Button.
Lol. Sweet Stevie?
Oh Homer.
Germans?
You two are too much.
LoL
Carry on

[button-lip]

Oh Button.
Lol. Sweet Stevie?
Oh Homer.
Germans?
You two are too much.
LoL
Carry on

I wish you at least learn how to quote properly.... :woohoo:

And I hope this knowledge would remain for the next time you whine about perfect, beautiful, ethereal, untouchable Stevie.

Indeed carry on

[dreamsunwind]

This thread has gotten way out of hand.

[button-lip]

This thread has gotten way out of hand.

This thread should have never existed in the first place. Beating a dead horse. And guess who opened it? :rolleyes:

[SteveMacD]

And why she hates Germans I'll never know.

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[iamnotafraid]

I don't think so, no. In what way do you mean?

The way I read it, I saw an easy joke to be made.
I know it wasn't your intention.

The reason I named David was because he's not
afraid to say anything.

[iamnotafraid]

Bandit...

Any Bandit reference gets extra points from me.

[HomerMcvie]

The way I read it, I saw an easy joke to be made.
I know it wasn't your intention.

The reason I named David was because he's not
afraid to say anything.

Tru dat. My friends told me two nights ago that I've officially lost anything even resembling a filter.

Believe it or not, I'm a sweetheart. A funny, sarcastic, loving, as*hole of a sweetheart.

[HomerMcvie]

Any Bandit reference gets extra points from me.

I'm sitting drinking Coors right now(Banquet, not light). Is that worth anything? And my hillbilly cousin and I call Burt Reynolds "Uncle Burt". Seriously.

[BombaySapphire3]

So does Donald Trump. :shrug:

Trump and Stevie are both at least half German:shrug: but neither one of them makes much sense to me these days ....so

[button-lip]

Tru dat. My friends told me two nights ago that I've officially lost anything even resembling a filter.

Believe it or not, I'm a sweetheart. A funny, sarcastic, loving, as*hole of a sweetheart.

We know you are. :xoxo:

Believe it or not, I’m also stupidly generous. So much people take advantage of it and then give me the cold shoulder or trash me like I’m their worst enemy. They have bad memory and they don’t tell the whole story. :shrug:

No filter is good. What’s the point of restraining yourself anyway? :D

[HomerMcvie]

We know you are. :xoxo:

Believe it or not, I’m also stupidly generous. So much people take advantage of it and then give me the cold shoulder or trash me like I’m their worst enemy. They have bad memory and they don’t tell the whole story. :shrug:

No filter is good. What’s the point of restraining yourself anyway? :D
:xoxo: Thanks, A....Button.

Money is what separates us from the animals. Loaning friends money is usually a VERY bad idea. I loaned a very trusted friend $250, a couple months ago. I was promised it back in 2 weeks. It was for an expedited passport, as they got a summer internship in Melbourne. Didn't get the money back.... I'm in the process of getting a will done right now, and WAS leaving them enough money to pay off their student loans. When they get back, I'm giving two chances at offering me back the money. If not, their 50K in student loans will take a WHILE to pay off. Life is about doing the right and honest thing. And I'm a hard grader on such.

[secondhandchain]

I'm sitting drinking Coors right now(Banquet, not light). Is that worth anything? And my hillbilly cousin and I call Burt Reynolds "Uncle Burt". Seriously.

I love you Homer. You seem like a great guy and I love your sense of humour.

[HomerMcvie]

I love you Homer. You seem like a great guy and I love your sense of humour.

Aww, thank you!:xoxo: I'm a smart ass, and that sometimes puts uber sensitive people off. But it is what it is. :o:laugh::wavey:

[secondhandchain]

Coming from a family of 7 kids, I've learned how to deal with smart ass.

[lovethemac1]

Aww, thank you!:xoxo: I'm a smart ass, and that sometimes puts uber sensitive people off. But it is what it is. :o:laugh::wavey:

I agree with secondhandchain, I think your sense of humour is awesome. I'd sit and shoot the s#%* and drink beer with you anytime David. Although, I'm a picky beer drinker, and as its the only alcohol I drink, I love my Stella Artois. But I can pack them back if need be! Cheers.:thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

I agree with secondhandchain, I think your sense of humour is awesome. I'd sit and shoot the s#%* and drink beer with you anytime David. Although, I'm a picky beer drinker, and as its the only alcohol I drink, I love my Stella Artois. But I can pack them back if need be! Cheers.:thumbsup:

You would probably have to tolerate the occasional Brando impersonation, while you're ordering.:rolleyes:

[lovethemac1]

You would probably have to tolerate the occasional Brando impersonation, while you're ordering.:rolleyes:

No problem!:laugh::laugh:

[iamnotafraid]

I'm sitting drinking Coors right now(Banquet, not light). Is that worth anything?

And my hillbilly cousin and I call Burt Reynolds "Uncle Burt". Seriously.

You get some points too. Even more if it was still contraband.

Bandit was probably my first PG movie. I blame Uncle Burt for
my love of sport cars.

[Angel75]

This is precisely why it's hard to believe she was ever abused by him.

And I don't think she's pretending to still be in love with him. I think she still is. She has a hate-love relationship with him like never seen before.

I'm confused.... Weren't you saying last week in other posts that you don't think Stevie EVER loved Lindsey.... This week she apparently STILL DOES?! :shrug:

[button-lip]

I'm confused.... Weren't you saying last week in other posts that you don't think Stevie EVER loved Lindsey.... This week she apparently STILL DOES?! :shrug:

Awww, thank you for following everything I say and not in a good way! :

I didn’t want to be so cruel because then you have people saying you hate Stevie. Everyone is so sensitive or they love playing the victim card because there will always be someone listening to them.

Sick love isn’t love, is obsession. For the past 43 years. I leave you but you still do what I say.

[sue]

Could you get me a bourbon on the rocks? Then say 5 Hail $tevies!

I’ve lost track of what this thread is about, (frequently do these days) but what you say here is funny, really funny.😅😅😅😅.

Aperol and Prosecco for me....

[jbrownsjr]

Champagne anyone? :D

[button-lip]

:xoxo: Thanks, A....Button.

Money is what separates us from the animals. Loaning friends money is usually a VERY bad idea. I loaned a very trusted friend $250, a couple months ago. I was promised it back in 2 weeks. It was for an expedited passport, as they got a summer internship in Melbourne. Didn't get the money back.... I'm in the process of getting a will done right now, and WAS leaving them enough money to pay off their student loans. When they get back, I'm giving two chances at offering me back the money. If not, their 50K in student loans will take a WHILE to pay off. Life is about doing the right and honest thing. And I'm a hard grader on such.

That's sad, especially if it happens with people you know and trust for a very long time. This is what I always say: it's their loss, and you clearly didn't mean that much. But mostly it's their loss. :nod::nod:

I hope you get your money back. And not because of the material aspect of the situation.

And I also hope we can all sit and drink some beers (or whatever, I'm not picky ;) ) after some Lindsey's solo concert (if there's ever one).

[HomerMcvie]

I’ve lost track of what this thread is about, (frequently do these days) but what you say here is funny, really funny.��������.

Aperol and Prosecco for me....

Thank you very much.

It honestly does bother me that some people think I'm a mean guy.

Because I'm not. I'm a smart as$. I'm terribly sarcastic. I apparently have no filter these days. I think $tevie is bat sh*t crazy.

But I love 95% of y'all.

[HomerMcvie]

That's sad, especially if it happens with people you know and trust for a very long time. This is what I always say: it's their loss, and you clearly didn't mean that much. But mostly it's their loss. :nod::nod:

I hope you get your money back. And not because of the material aspect of the situation.

And I also hope we can all sit and drink some beers (or whatever, I'm not picky ;) ) after some Lindsey's solo concert (if there's ever one).

It is very sad. I've been having some health problems the past few weeks, and decided that it's finally time to get a will done(I've been trying to make myself do it for 3-4 years, but death is a hard thing to think about, at least for me).

If the friend doesn't pay me back, that $250 is literally going to cost them 50K. Because that's what I was leaving them(which is their student loan debt amount). They'll never know, because I won't tell them, but karma can be a bitch. DO.THE.RIGHT.THING, kids.

Heck yes! Lindsey is the only one I'll be supporting now, and I hope you hit some of his Midwest shows! Dinner and drinks!:xoxo:

[sodascouts]

Awww, thank you for following everything I say and not in a good way! :

I didn’t want to be so cruel because then you have people saying you hate Stevie. Everyone is so sensitive or they love playing the victim card because there will always be someone listening to them.

Sick love isn’t love, is obsession. For the past 43 years. I leave you but you still do what I say.

Thank you for explaining because I was wondering about that apparent contradiction, too!

It's true that this kind of love isn't doing Lindsey any favors. :(

But if it is love-hate, or hate-love, maybe it will cycle back (even if the odds are low).

[button-lip]

It is very sad. I've been having some health problems the past few weeks, and decided that it's finally time to get a will done(I've been trying to make myself do it for 3-4 years, but death is a hard thing to think about, at least for me).

If the friend doesn't pay me back, that $250 is literally going to cost them 50K. Because that's what I was leaving them(which is their student loan debt amount). They'll never know, because I won't tell them, but karma can be a bitch. DO.THE.RIGHT.THING, kids.

Heck yes! Lindsey is the only one I'll be supporting now, and I hope you hit some of his Midwest shows! Dinner and drinks!:xoxo:

I hope it's just a health scare. We will talk about it privately. :xoxo:

Yeah, I'm definitely trying to do the right thing, and who knows, maybe you friend is lurking The Ledge and now knows what he/she's missing. :rolleyes:

I haven't yet visit the Midwest, so it's definitely a choice. Now more than ever. :)

[button-lip]

Thank you for explaining because I was wondering about that apparent contradiction, too!

It's true that this kind of love isn't doing Lindsey any favors. :(

But if it is love-hate, or hate-love, maybe it will cycle back (even if the odds are low).

I don't think the odds are that low. We're talking about Lindsey and Stevie. Anything can happen. ;)

I think that that kind of love cost him his place in the band, so yeah, it's not doing him any favors. :(

[jbrownsjr]

Thank you for explaining because I was wondering about that apparent contradiction, too!

It's true that this kind of love isn't doing Lindsey any favors. :(

But if it is love-hate, or hate-love, maybe it will cycle back (even if the odds are low).

With that kind of love, his heart skips some beats, now he's lonely.

:lol:

[jbrownsjr]

It is very sad. I've been having some health problems the past few weeks, and decided that it's finally time to get a will done(I've been trying to make myself do it for 3-4 years, but death is a hard thing to think about, at least for me).

If the friend doesn't pay me back, that $250 is literally going to cost them 50K. Because that's what I was leaving them(which is their student loan debt amount). They'll never know, because I won't tell them, but karma can be a bitch. DO.THE.RIGHT.THING, kids.

Heck yes! Lindsey is the only one I'll be supporting now, and I hope you hit some of his Midwest shows! Dinner and drinks!:xoxo:

I hope you're ok!! :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

I hope you're ok!! :xoxo:

Thank you, my friend.:xoxo:

[AnthonyMI]

I take this all with a grain of salt. Was Lindsey "abusive"? Maybe. Did Stevie deserve it? Probably. Did she dish it as good as she got it? Most likely. Did anyone care 40 years ago? No. Would they both do it again? You betcha. They deserved each other then, they deserve to be unhappy now. Fame ruined them both. Beautiful people with beautiful problems. Stick them in a trailer park and they would fit right in with Trailer Trash. The only difference it their money and talent.
But... thats why we love them right?

[gldstwmn]

Thank you very much.

It honestly does bother me that some people think I'm a mean guy.

Because I'm not.

The mass exodus that you helped to facilitate here might say otherwise.
I hope your illness is not serious and wish you good health.

[gldstwmn]

Was Lindsey "abusive"? Maybe. Did Stevie deserve it? Probably.
Are you kidding me? People still think like this? :distress:

[secondhandchain]

The mass exodus that you helped to facilitate here might say otherwise.
I hope your illness is not serious and wish you good health.

NOPE the person who facilitated this mass exodus has the initials G.O.A.T.

[gldstwmn]

NOPE the person who facilitated this mass exodus has the initials G.O.A.T.

Love the Stevie in curlers pic! :)

[HomerMcvie]

The mass exodus that you helped to facilitate here might say otherwise.
I hope your illness is not serious and wish you good health.

Yet I clearly failed in one important case.:laugh:

Thank you.

[David]

The biggest reason she didn’t want to make another album with him is because she mostly didn’t enjoy making albums with him. Rumours wasn’t fun for her, Tusk, Mirage, TITN, and SYW weren’t fun for her. Why would the next one be fun?
This is the crux. She hates being in the studio with him. In fact, she may not be all that keen about being in the studio with the rest of them, either. My view is that, from the Seventies on, none of them accorded her much respect as a musician vocalist in the studio. You can see it in their faces as she's trying to explain something (in ditzy metaphors) or tell a story (in her airheaded elliptical style). It was a self-fulfilling prophecy: The more she gave suggestions about tracks or production, the more dismissive the others were. And the more dismissive they were, the more she pulled back—and made her own fun recording her own albums, where she could be the cute college girl once again, the center of attention in her circle of friends and session players.

Case in point: The are-you-kidding-me looks and eye rolls that the others all give her in the Village Recorder footage from recording Tusk.

Another case in point: Mick's words about Stevie in the 2 on the Town segment from 1982. He implied that she lacks studio discipline, instead preferring to emote spontaneously and use that track so that she doesn't have to go back over and over and retake. John of course is like that too, but I assume that John's bass parts come down to one or two takes anyway—not like Stevie's vocals, which can require days or weeks of repetition. And John's impatience with recording wasn't compounded with a ditzy personality, which can grate on the nerves of people in close confines with Stevie for extended periods.

Wanted to add: I've recorded with good friends in a studio before. By the end of a week, we hated each other.

[gldstwmn]

Yet I clearly failed in one important case.:laugh:

Thank you.

Maybe you could try a stake or silver bullet?

[AncientQueen]

Did Stevie deserve it?
NOONE deserves to be abused!

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe you could try a stake or silver bullet?

I'll try anything once.:wavey:

[AnthonyMI]

NOONE deserves to be abused!

You both left out the second part of my post. She deserved it because she did the same thing to him. It was an equal opportunity abusive relationship. There are a lot of ways to be abusive in a relationship. Im sure she pressed his buttons. She still does to this day. Manipulations. Gas lighting. Cheating. Mind Games. did Lindsey hit her? a few times im sure. But I bet she slapped him silly a few times too. They are children.

[HomerMcvie]

You both left out the second part of my post. She deserved it because she did the same thing to him. It was an equal opportunity abusive relationship. There are a lot of ways to be abusive in a relationship. Im sure she pressed his buttons. She still does to this day. Manipulations. Gas lighting. Cheating. Mind Games. did Lindsey hit her? a few times im sure. But I bet she slapped him silly a few times too. They are children.

~I~ knew exactly what you meant. They're both button pushers, intentionally rubbing each other the wrong way. Sometimes you pick away until the other person breaks.

[aleuzzi]

This is the crux. She hates being in the studio with him. In fact, she may not be all that keen about being in the studio with the rest of them, either. My view is that, from the Seventies on, none of them accorded her much respect as a musician vocalist in the studio. You can see it in their faces as she's trying to explain something (in ditzy metaphors) or tell a story (in her airheaded elliptical style). It was a self-fulfilling prophecy: The more she gave suggestions about tracks or production, the more dismissive the others were. And the more dismissive they were, the more she pulled back—and made her own fun recording her own albums, where she could be the cute college girl once again, the center of attention in her circle of friends and session players.

Case in point: The are-you-kidding-me looks and eye rolls that the others all give her in the Village Recorder footage from recording Tusk.

Another case in point: Mick's words about Stevie in the 2 on the Town segment from 1982. He implied that she lacks studio discipline, instead preferring to emote spontaneously and use that track so that she doesn't have to go back over and over and retake. John of course is like that too, but I assume that John's bass parts come down to one or two takes anyway—not like Stevie's vocals, which can require days or weeks of repetition. And John's impatience with recording wasn't compounded with a ditzy personality, which can grate on the nerves of people in close confines with Stevie for extended periods.

Wanted to add: I've recorded with good friends in a studio before. By the end of a week, we hated each other.

I always enjoy when you weigh in, David. The last two sentences of your post might be the most important of all.

Musicians are often terrible to each other in the studio, in part because the studio resembles a bunker where otherwise creative people are held captive by the very process that will enable their music to reach millions of ears; in part because this claustrophobic natural light-free setting encourages one to use stimulants and other drugs to keep going and “stay fresh”; but also in part because the perfection required to master repetitive, seemingly-endless processes like music making takes its toll on anyone’s patience. I remember in the 90s editing, designing, and printing a small magazine with my then boyfriend out of our home. Each issue required hours and hours of attention to detail and patience, patience, patience. At times, we wanted to kill one another. We had complete creative control because we did it ourselves, but that also meant all the laborious chores were ours. Mac, who self-produced and arranged with two studio engineers, must have felt all of this. By the way, we were able to keep the magazine going for four years. 10 issues later, we rarely made deadlines without some cost to our emotional lives. We even broke up while we still lived together. Sound familiar?

[Angel75]

I don't think the odds are that low. We're talking about Lindsey and Stevie. Anything can happen. ;)

I think that that kind of love cost him his place in the band, so yeah, it's not doing him any favors. :(

Definitely not doing him any favours, after him recently saying he has nothing but love and respect for Stevie, I am pretty sure that love has now turned to hate again

[jbrownsjr]

I'll try anything once.:wavey:

You will never get rid of the Sisters of the Loon!! :lol:

[Storms123]

Thank you very much.

It honestly does bother me that some people think I'm a mean guy.

Because I'm not. I'm a smart as$. I'm terribly sarcastic. I apparently have no filter these days. I think $tevie is bat sh*t crazy.

But I love 95% of y'all.

I think you are quite hilarious
Life is too Short and you don't get a do over (why did these self indulged zillionaire infants pull this stunt? This last chapter is their epitaph and how folks will remember them)---count me in for cocktails post a Lindsey concert:)

[Storms123]

~I~ knew exactly what you meant. They're both button pushers, intentionally rubbing each other the wrong way. Sometimes you pick away until the other person breaks.

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference, and these 2 are definitely not indifferent about each other. They will still probably sit on each others death beds

[SteveMacD]

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference, and these 2 are definitely not indifferent about each other. They will still probably sit on each others death beds

And, while I’m not saying they would do it, they WOULD look to see where the plug was and if anyone was looking.

[Storms123]

And, while I’m not saying they would do it, they WOULD look to see where the plug was and if anyone was looking.

Now this is funny!!

[jbrownsjr]

And, while I’m not saying they would do it, they WOULD look to see where the plug was and if anyone was looking.

Hahahaha!! That was funny.

[lovethemac1]

And, while I’m not saying they would do it, they WOULD look to see where the plug was and if anyone was looking.

Hahahahahaha, priceless. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

You will never get rid of the Sisters of the Loon!! :lol:

The enabler speaks.

[dreamsunwind]

And, while I’m not saying they would do it, they WOULD look to see where the plug was and if anyone was looking.

LOL. That is very true and gave me a good laugh.

[gldstwmn]

I think you are quite hilarious


You're not in the will.

[gldstwmn]

He survived the stalking part, that’s for sure.

Narcissists think everyone is stalking them.

[HomerMcvie]

The enabler speaks.

Bitter, party of none. Oh wait, that's my Christmas wish list.

[HomerMcvie]

And, while I’m not saying they would do it, they WOULD look to see where the plug was and if anyone was looking.

That was funny, because the funniest parts of life lie within the truth.

I'd like to think that she couldn't do it(pull the plug). I'd like to think that he could. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

I think you are quite hilarious
Life is too Short and you don't get a do over (why did these self indulged zillionaire infants pull this stunt? This last chapter is their epitaph and how folks will remember them)---count me in for cocktails post a Lindsey concert:)

It's the most childish ending to this story, that anyone could ever imagine. I hope their families are embarrassed for all eternity.

[jbrownsjr]

Bitter, party of none. Oh wait, that's my Christmas wish list.

Bourbon.. or champagne... in my stocking!! :lol:

[Storms123]

It's the most childish ending to this story, that anyone could ever imagine. I hope their families are embarrassed for all eternity.

I hope at some point the actual band is embarrassed for all eternity

[TrueFaith77]

And, while I’m not saying they would do it, they WOULD look to see where the plug was and if anyone was looking.

A friend of mine said about Peter Hook and Bernard Sumner's feud that led to Hooky being fired from New Order: "They love each other so much, they think they hate each other."


ETA: See my avatar. Linds should work with Hooky.

[sodascouts]

[/B]

I hope at some point the actual band is embarrassed for all eternity

I hope they get embarrassed enough to make things right before it's too late. I don't even mean for another tour, although that would be ideal for a fan like me. I mean before one of them dies!

I'll be traveling so won't be posting for a while. I'll be listening to Fleetwood Mac on the plane and thinking of happier times. I'll always be an avid fan of "my Fleetwood Mac" even though what it's become now casts a shadow over what's come before.

PS: Homer - get well soon!

[HomerMcvie]

PS: Homer - get well soon!

Thank you, Nancy. I appreciate that.:angel:

[jbrownsjr]

The enabler speaks.

Seven Blunders

[secondhandchain]

For you David, to make you feel better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCHmMF10yI

[HomerMcvie]

For you David, to make you feel better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCHmMF10yI

OMG, I love it! :xoxo:

[Hawkeye]

You know what after that video I’m going to consider it you complimenting Stevie when you say goat breath or something goat like because Some of those goats did a fine job singing along to that song!

[Storms123]

I hope they get embarrassed enough to make things right before it's too late. I don't even mean for another tour, although that would be ideal for a fan like me. I mean before one of them dies!

I'll be traveling so won't be posting for a while. I'll be listening to Fleetwood Mac on the plane and thinking of happier times. I'll always be an avid fan of "my Fleetwood Mac" even though what it's become now casts a shadow over what's come before.

PS: Homer - get well soon!

As long as they are all on the right side of the dirt......there is hope :)

[Tango]

I still prefer The Dance version:

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[iamnotafraid]

David (Homer), I hope you recover quickly from your health problem.

[HomerMcvie]

David (Homer), I hope you recover quickly from your health problem.

Thank you. I appreciate that, very much. I'll do my best.

Homie ain't got time for no nonsense!

[HomerMcvie]

I still prefer The Dance version:

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For the most part, that bird has a pretty damned good sense of rhythm!

It could probably count of Enchanted as well as $tevie!:wavey:

[Sapphire Girl]

Stevie has never "reported" that Lindsey abused her (unless you're talking about the Tusk thing and Tango incident). We don't know what happened or didn't happen all those years ago but that she reported anything is completely untrue. I think a lot of people who aren't as familiar with Stevie/FM think that this book is a legit biography of Stevie which is why it pops up in the news every now and then. I actually got curious by all the terrible reviews that some fans gave the book so I skimmed through it myself and it really is pretty bad. Tons of inaccurate info, a lot of stories and things seemingly just pulled out of thin air, actual facts that are clearly checkable completely wrong and whatnot. Stevie never even spoke to the writer and I highly doubt anyone close to her did either and just "requested anonymity". This same writer also wrote a Carly Simon bio and he said he was a friend of Carly and she acknowledged that she knew him but she was FURIOUS about the book and denounced it and denounced the things he tried to portray in it and said she has never spoken to him about it and it wasn't authorized and all that. So in general I wouldn't give this book/writer too much attention.

Was this New Zealand Tusk incident ever mentioned in any local newspaper reviews or in any other publications back when it happened?

[dreamsunwind]

Was this New Zealand Tusk incident ever mentioned in any local newspaper reviews or in any other publications back when it happened?

Not as far as I know. I think that whole incident has been really exaggerated over the years. It was just drunken foolishness.