What happens if Christine exits?

[ryan4136]

While likely just an internet rumor, what if Chris exits too?

[BombaySapphire3]

Then we'll still have what we have a Stevie Nicks backing band only minus an old bird that can no longer sing or play the keyboards like she once could.

[ImpossibleHoney]

Not happening. She's here to stay.

[dreamsunwind]

They could probably sue her couldn't they? Since she'd already signed off.
Although I doubt they would but she would definitely be in a bind which is why I don't think the rumour is true but I do believe she might not agree to any other legs that get added.
If it were to happen they could just go on without her like they did for the years prior to her return but since they're in 'we're a new band' mode now I guess they might bring in a replacement. Maybe Stevie can finally get her Sheryl Crow wish!

But realistically I imagine they would have a serious problem because TWO missing members will make ticket sales even more dismal.

[SteveMacD]

At this point, I think it would be in breach of contract territory, promoters would pull out, and the tour would be canceled. They weren’t paying for a glorified Stevie Nicks solo tour.

[elle]

At this point, I think it would be in breach of contract territory, promoters would pull out, and the tour would be canceled. They weren’t paying for a glorified Stevie Nicks solo tour.

but - but - but........................... Fleetwood and McVie would still be there!! that's Fleetwood Mac! :rolleyes::cool::thumbsup::angel::D;)

[KenshiMaster16]

If Chris exits, it'll likely be after this tour and she won't agree to another leg of it. This band has become toxic no matter whether you're to side with Lindsey or Stevie. And, in my personal opinion, despite their past mistakes and what they may or may not have done to one another (and while not condoning their behaviors either), to have any member of that iconic line-up be ousted at this stage of their careers whether it had been Lindsey, Stevie or Chris, I think is just criminal. If you cannot get along at this point, then call it a day as a collective and do your own solo things. If you can't be part of a band for 30-40 some odd years and get along, just call it quits altogether. You always have those royalty and solo checks to keep you afloat since it's obviously not the creativity keeping you there...... But that's just my two cents.

[HomerMcvie]

but - but - but........................... Fleetwood and McVie would still be there!! that's Fleetwood Mac! :rolleyes::thumbsup::angel::D;)

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Storms123]

If Chris exits, it'll likely be after this tour and she won't agree to another leg of it. This band has become toxic no matter whether you're to side with Lindsey or Stevie. And, in my personal opinion, despite their past mistakes and what they may or may not have done to one another (and while not condoning their behaviors either), to have any member of that iconic line-up be ousted at this stage of their careers whether it had been Lindsey, Stevie or Chris, I think is just criminal. If you cannot get along at this point, then call it a day as a collective and do your own solo things. If you can't be part of a band for 30-40 some odd years and get along, just call it quits altogether. You always have those royalty and solo checks to keep you afloat since it's obviously not the creativity keeping you there...... But that's just my two cents.

I completely agree. I actually think this is shaping up to be a US tour. I don't see them extending beyond. Whether it's because Christine wants to bail (and if she does, I think you can 100% attribute to the Lindsey situation--she had blast during OWTS and during Buck Vie) SHe's had a 16 year vacation...and she's fit--she's ready to be out there.....IF ITs FUN for her. I think she towed the band line , mind you I am not giving her a pass, but the fact that 1/2 the band is British and not a rumble of at least London shows yet. I think promoters are nervous to commit because sales are so dismal. I don't care how much you like to twirl around your living room--in the cold clear light of day....it's clear this "new band" isn't resonating like the PTB hoped. Question becomes can they (and by they I mean can Mick deploy Christine to try to make amends with Lindsey on the bands behalf to give it one last go) Otherwise, hope y'all saw OWTS--because that was in my mind and a lot of other folks, the FM Farewell Tour.
As things stand now, I don't see Christine sticking around beyond the last date in April '19.

[louielouie2000]

All this makes me wonder if Chris and Lindsey have spoken since everything went down. And if so, what was said. I finally watched the big interview the other day, and it was eye opening how very unamused Chris was. She’s always been the queen of cool & reserve (publicly). I’d hope Chris at least put in a conciliatory call to Lindsey.

[SteveMacD]

but - but - but........................... Fleetwood and McVie would still be there!! that's Fleetwood Mac! :rolleyes::cool::thumbsup::angel::D;)

I’m specifically talking about this tour. If they wanted to continue on as Fleetwood Mac without Christine, they would certainly be within their right. But from the perspective of the promoters regarding THIS tour, losing the member who had 17% of the band’s Top 40 output is manageable, especially with who they brought in. But losing the member who had 50% of the Top 40 singles would be a breach of contract at this point.

[dreamsunwind]

I’m specifically talking about this tour. If they wanted to continue on as Fleetwood Mac without Christine, they would certainly be within their right. But from the perspective of the promoters regarding THIS tour, losing the member who had 17% of the band’s Top 40 output is manageable, especially with who they brought in. But losing the member who had 50% of the Top 40 singles would be a breach of contract at this point.


I don't really think who wrote the most or least hits matters to promoters as much at this point as you think it does. At this point, given the majority of people who buy the tickets, as long as it mostly resembles Fleetwood Mac (aka Stevie Nicks has to be there) and they play Rumours and their other really famous non-Rumours songs, then they'll be fine.
They went on for years without Christine and the tours sold just fine. I'm sure that (when they lower prices more), the Lindsey-less tour tickets will sell fine as well. But were Christine to leave as well would just generate too much controversy. The Lindsey situation already has gotten plenty of bad press and for that to happen too would just be too much.

[button-lip]

All this makes me wonder if Chris and Lindsey have spoken since everything went down. And if so, what was said. I finally watched the big interview the other day, and it was eye opening how very unamused Chris was. She’s always been the queen of cool & reserve (publicly). I’d hope Chris at least put in a conciliatory call to Lindsey.

I still refuse to watch it. I'm waiting for this tour and this band to fail. Then, with a glass of wine in my hand (or whatever I could put my hands on), I'll finally sit and watch it with great delight. :D:D:p

[Storms123]

I don't really think who wrote the most or least hits matters to promoters as much at this point as you think it does. At this point, given the majority of people who buy the tickets, as long as it mostly resembles Fleetwood Mac (aka Stevie Nicks has to be there) and they play Rumours and their other really famous non-Rumours songs, then they'll be fine.
They went on for years without Christine and the tours sold just fine. I'm sure that (when they lower prices more), the Lindsey-less tour tickets will sell fine as well. But were Christine to leave as well would just generate too much controversy. The Lindsey situation already has gotten plenty of bad press and for that to happen too would just be too much.

I agree with a lot of this--but Stevie can only twirl her way through "Gypsy" so much :) The reality is, IMO, the bad press they've gotten to date is likely not something they anticipated.....turns out, people ARE paying attention to a bunch of almost 70+ folks getting out on the road....KUDOS FM. Downside is---they mucked this up bad. I doubt they expected the Lindsey backlash to carry on as far and deep as it did (Hey Mick--he's an important part of your band and legacy) but it has. If Christine were to bail, so soon after rejoining, the backlash, bad press and just general malaise would be too much (and Stevie's knees couldn't handle all of the twirling to offset no Lindsey or Christine "don't look to the left or right of the stage...just watch me twirl and shake my tambo).That only goes so far..

[SteveMacD]

I don't really think who wrote the most or least hits matters to promoters as much at this point as you think it does. At this point, given the majority of people who buy the tickets, as long as it mostly resembles Fleetwood Mac (aka Stevie Nicks has to be there) and they play Rumours and their other really famous non-Rumours songs, then they'll be fine.
They went on for years without Christine and the tours sold just fine. I'm sure that (when they lower prices more), the Lindsey-less tour tickets will sell fine as well. But were Christine to leave as well would just generate too much controversy. The Lindsey situation already has gotten plenty of bad press and for that to happen too would just be too much.

Christine’s lack of name recognition is irrelevant. Her brand is “Fleetwood Mac,” not “Christine McVie.” For comparison, Robert Pollard isn’t as big a draw under his own in terms of album and ticket sales name as he is if he bills it as Guided by Voices.

Comparing the 2013 tour to the 2014-15 tour, concert goers clearly understood the difference.

[onlynow]

Where has this rumor been posted other than in this thread?

[dreamsunwind]

Christine’s lack of name recognition is irrelevant. Her brand is “Fleetwood Mac,” not “Christine McVie.” For comparison, Robert Pollard isn’t as big a draw under his own in terms of album and ticket sales name as he is if he bills it as Guided by Voices.

Comparing the 2013 tour to the 2014-15 tour, concert goers clearly understood the difference.

I'm not saying anything about Christine's name recognition or lack thereof. I'm saying that I don't think promoters care remotely about who wrote the most top 40 hits when it comes to touring and I'm almost positive that doesn't affect ticket sales. What impacts ticket sales is the big picture. The OWTS tour sold so well because it was heavily promoted with the whole 'The classic Fleetwood Mac lineup is back'. That's a big thing to tote and why, like you said, it sold even better than the 2013 tour. BUT the 2013 tour and those before it still sold perfectly well because it still mostly resembled Fleetwood Mac and they played all the songs everyone wants to hear and that's what most people going to the shows care about.
Christine leaving would be a big deal to promoters not because she wrote the most top 40 hits. Hardly anyone outside of this board even knows who wrote what in Fleetwood Mac. It would be a big deal because, combined with the Lindsey situation, it would just be too much controversy. One member they can handle, but another?

[dreamsunwind]

Where has this rumor been posted other than in this thread?

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/05/blind-item-2_14.html?m=1
There's this blind item on a gossip site that many people are taking to be about Fleetwood Mac.
And some people with 'sources' arguing about on Stevie Nicks Facebook groups. One person said they have it from their sources that she's on her way out, another person said they have it from their sources that it's not true, both are swearing up and down that their story is true, others claiming she wants to find a way out etc.

[michelej1]

The Crazy Days sight revealed that the band who might lose another member is FM. We just don’t know which member they think might bolt.

[sue]

If Christine goes, then that’s it for FM...the end.
So Mick had better hope they make loads of money this coming tour.

Incidentally, in the US, have they had a bad press over Lindsey being fired ?
In the UK not much about them at all.

[Macfan4life]

Christine is not leaving. She would be the last to leave. She is probably the only one having fun these days.

[aleuzzi]

Then we'll still have what we have a Stevie Nicks backing band only minus an old bird that can no longer sing or play the keyboards like she once could.

Well, it sounds like you could be talking about Stevie Nicks, except she never could play keyboards well.

[aleuzzi]

While likely just an internet rumor, what if Chris exits too?

Then, hopefully, she pursues a solo album or another duet album with Lindsey, so she can record those "dozens of songs" she and Mick have told us she has.

[Sugar Mouse]

Losing Christine would be a shame as she will likely have great chemistry with Neil Finn as they have similar songwriting and performance styles.

[elle]

Then, hopefully, she pursues a solo album or another duet album with Lindsey, so she can record those "dozens of songs" she and Mick have told us she has.
i'm sure she has them. where was the interview where they said that?

i think Christine should leave, and Stevie too, for good measure. they can replace them with younger, interesting people and form a really new band - as FM are always evolving!

it will still be Fleetwood Mac - real Fleetwood Mac fans don't care, as long as Fleetwood McVie are still there, and they play whatever music is related either to FM of any era or these new members. Rumours 5 or anyone else in the band it's all the same to FM fans. just ask them - anyone who doesn't think this way is a negative traitor! :rolleyes::blob2:

[Hawkeye]

i'm sure she has them. where was the interview where they said that?

i think Christine should leave, and Stevie too, for good measure. they can replace them with younger, interesting people and form a really new band - as FM are always evolving!

it will still be Fleetwood Mac - real Fleetwood Mac fans don't care, as long as Fleetwood McVie are still there, and they play whatever music is related either to FM of any era or these new members. Rumours 5 or anyone else in the band it's all the same to FM fans. just ask them - anyone who doesn't think this way is a negative traitor! :rolleyes::blob2:

While I’m guessing not your intention, you just described an even greater dream scenerio for me then the one we already have! :laugh: except forget the replacements for stevie and Christine.

Then we can have a stevie tour/album, BuckinghamMcVie tour/album and a Fleetwood Mac tour that could be marketed and executed as a Fleetwood Mac tour to honor and primarily play Peter Green/Danny Kirwan songs! Win-Win-Win

[elle]

While I’m guessing not your intention, you just described an even greater dream scenerio for me then the one we already have! :laugh: except forget the replacements for stevie and Christine.

Then we can have a stevie tour/album, BuckinghamMcVie tour/album and a Fleetwood Mac tour that could be marketed and executed as a Fleetwood Mac tour to honor and primarily play Peter Green/Danny Kirwan songs! Win-Win-Win

haha there's not much worse scenario than you'll be having this year for FM.

i'd be good with what you propose. i might even go see that version of FM if they are not price gauging like the current fakewood. although i would have to get over my sleazy Mick gag-reflex. so yeah, i might never be able to see anything Mick is in anymore.

i just need LB solo first, and that would have plenty of time to happen if Chris leaves after the currently booked FM dates. and BuckVie 2 would not try to make music appealing to SN anymore so hopefully would be much more interesting.

as long as i never have to see SN live again, i'm open to other possibilities. :blob1: :wavey:

[mitzo]

Lindsey will start another band which will have numerous top ten hits and sell out arenas worldwide!

[AncientQueen]

Lindsey will start another band which will have numerous top ten hits and sell out arenas worldwide!
Which is as likely as The New FM will do so. With Mike Campbell and Neill Finn being virtual nobodies in Europe, with 6 more months for people to hear about the LB firing, reading concert reviews, with Stevie on the verge of her next solo tour and Christine (rumoured) on her way out, they won't come over here, so bye-bye world tour. And an album? HA! As if.

[Dr.Brown]

And an album? HA! As if.

With Stevie previously saying people wouldn't buy a new Rumours lineup album, the notion of a hit Post-Rumours lineup album??? Sorry Stevie - Don't Dream, It's Over.

[button-lip]

Lindsey will start another band which will have numerous top ten hits and sell out arenas worldwide!

No one in this band ever had numerous top ten hits, and no one ever sold out arenas worldwide. They're not gonna start now.

[Storms123]

Losing Christine would be a shame as she will likely have great chemistry with Neil Finn as they have similar songwriting and performance styles.

Losing any of the Rumours 5 is a shame. This is a complete and utter farce

[Storms123]

Which is as likely as The New FM will do so. With Mike Campbell and Neill Finn being virtual nobodies in Europe, with 6 more months for people to hear about the LB firing, reading concert reviews, with Stevie on the verge of her next solo tour and Christine (rumoured) on her way out, they won't come over here, so bye-bye world tour. And an album? HA! As if.

Unless the "WORLD" is the contiguous states---there is no world tour here

[Storms123]

With Stevie previously saying people wouldn't buy a new Rumours lineup album, the notion of a hit Post-Rumours lineup album??? Sorry Stevie - Don't Dream, It's Over.

There is a higher likelihood that this message board cuts an album before this band of......whatever we are calling them does

[HomerMcvie]

There is a higher likelihood that this message board cuts an album before this band of......whatever we are calling them does

Absolutely. They are putting out complete BS, PRETENDING that this is some f*cking ARTISTIC endeavor. It's just a f*cking CASH COW COVER BAND.

[Sugar Mouse]

Absolutely. They are putting out complete BS, PRETENDING that this is some f*cking ARTISTIC endeavor. It's just a f*cking CASH COW COVER BAND.

You're very likely wrong. I just met someone who is in the Fleetwood Mac inner circle and he told me that the band is planning to record new material very soon. Fingers crossed ...

[HomerMcvie]

You're very likely wrong. I just met someone who is in the Fleetwood Mac inner circle and he told me that the band is planning to record new material very soon. Fingers crossed ...

Good luck, Mick. History will show your error in judgement.

[dreamsunwind]

If the new "Fleetwood Mac" records new material then I personally hope that Kristen Buckingham sues them all for emotional damages. What an absolute slap in the face to the person who wanted a final album more than anyone else.

[Sugar Mouse]

If the new "Fleetwood Mac" records new material then I personally hope that Kristen Buckingham sues them all for emotional damages. What an absolute slap in the face to the person who wanted a final album more than anyone else.

Again, I'm as big a fan of Lindsey as there is but Lindsey is only part of the history of Fleetwood Mac. The band recorded 9 albums before Lindsey joined the band. In fact, the band has recorded more albums without Lindsey than with Lindsey. Lindsey was obviously a huge part of their artistic and commercial success (Rumours and Tusk being two of the best albums of all-time) but the band is far more than just Lindsey Buckingham.

[dreamsunwind]

Again, I'm as big a fan of Lindsey as there is but Lindsey is only part of the history of Fleetwood Mac. The band recorded 9 albums before Lindsey joined the band. In fact, the band has recorded more albums without Lindsey than with Lindsey. Lindsey was obviously a huge part of their artistic and commercial success (Rumours and Tusk being two of the best albums of all-time) but the band is far more than just Lindsey Buckingham.

Lol please do not tell me that the band existed before and without Lindsey. I'm perfectly aware. But the 'before' Lindsey is not a 40+ year legacy with that one person putting SO much into the band. Even when he bailed after Tango, he did so AFTER having made an album that went on to sell millions and millions of copies. Lindsey wanted to record a final album with the band VERY much because he wanted to wrap up that wonderful legacy. And thanks to Miss Stevie Nicks, that didn't happen. And then not only did he not get the album he very much wanted, he then got pushed out of that same band that he put so much into it.
In my opinion this entire situation is just an absolutely appalling disrespect and if they actually record a new album (aka if Stevie Nicks really wants to spite Lindsey) then it'll just be pouring salt into the wound.
That's my opinion you don't have to agree with it.

[Sugar Mouse]

Lol please do not tell me that the band existed before and without Lindsey. I'm perfectly aware. But the 'before' Lindsey is not a 40+ year legacy with that one person putting SO much into the band. Even when he bailed after Tango, he did so AFTER having made an album that went on to sell millions and millions of copies. Lindsey wanted to record a final album with the band VERY much because he wanted to wrap up that wonderful legacy. And thanks to Miss Stevie Nicks, that didn't happen. And then not only did he not get the album he very much wanted, he then got pushed out of that same band that he put so much into it.
In my opinion this entire situation is just an absolutely appalling disrespect and if they actually record a new album (aka if Stevie Nicks really wants to spite Lindsey) then it'll just be pouring salt into the wound.
That's my opinion you don't have to agree with it.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion and many people share your opinion. I'm just trying to focus on the positive that could emerge from the ashes of Lindsey being fired.

[HomerMcvie]

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion and many people share your opinion. I'm just trying to focus on the positive that could emerge from the ashes of Lindsey being fired.

As long as you realize that MANY of us don't want to do that. We're f*cking pissed.

[secondhandchain]

As long as you realize that MANY of us don't want to do that. We're f*cking pissed.

What he said.

[Angel75]

You're very likely wrong. I just met someone who is in the Fleetwood Mac inner circle and he told me that the band is planning to record new material very soon. Fingers crossed ...

Sugar Mouse - I am calling your bluff.
On the "Let me teach you about real reality" thread you questioned repeatedly exactly the facts on Lindsey's firing...we mentioned the day after Musicares video of LB and his BuckVie musicians accounts of what happened that hugely contrast the version/ reason we got from Mick and Stevie but you still didn't choose to believe what is pretty clearly the truth.
Surely this person in the FM inner circle you just met would have told you the facts, care to share this with the group?!!!

[bwboy]

Sugar Mouse - I am calling your bluff.
On the "Let me teach you about real reality" thread you questioned repeatedly exactly the facts on Lindsey's firing...we mentioned the day after Musicares video of LB and his BuckVie musicians accounts of what happened that hugely contrast the version/ reason we got from Mick and Stevie but you still didn't choose to believe what is pretty clearly the truth.
Surely this person in the FM inner circle you just met would have told you the facts, care to share this with the group?!!!

Does it really matter? I mean truly? Nothing anyone else says will make you change your mind about the situation, so why bother trying. Besides, you have every right to feel the way you do about Lindsey's firing. But let's really, truly be honest for a second- the key thing here that made some people angry is that FM fired Lindsey. Regardless of the reason, that is what is upsetting people. Let's say an inside source said Lindsey behaved inappropriately at a band meeting, and that was why he was fired. Would that make a difference to you? Probably not, and that's your right. I imagine some of the responses would be "but Lindsey sacrificed the last 40 years of his life to make FM a success, so they should deal with it instead of stabbing him in the back." And that's their right to feel that way. I disagree, and there's probably nothing anyone could say that would change my mind, either. What's clear to you is not clear to me, and what's clear to me is not clear to you :sorry:

[lovethemac1]

What he said.

What they said.....I agree with you both 100%.......f!@#'ing PISSED!

[DreamIsOver]

Recording new music and putting something out before the tour starts is their only shot at possibly changing the narrative for this tour and giving interviewers something else to focus on besides Lindsey's removal, not that he isn't going to cast a shadow over everything they do evermore.

If I were Lindsey, I'd counter by get a full backing band together with a couple of other guitarists, cherry pick the best songs from UTS, GOS, and SWS, work up fleshed out full band arraignments, record them and put that out as a killer new album/best of hybrid and blow FM out of the water.

[FuzzyPlum]

You're very likely wrong. I just met someone who is in the Fleetwood Mac inner circle and he told me that the band is planning to record new material very soon. Fingers crossed ...


Just met someone who is in the Fleetwood Mac inner circle? Hmmmm.

I always believed your version of the 'Fake Fleetwood Mac' events.
Now I dont believe a word you say.
Why Did You Do It?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7f5nxuKts

[elle]

Just met someone who is in the Fleetwood Mac inner circle? Hmmmm.

I always believed your version of the 'Fake Fleetwood Mac' events.
Now I dont believe a word you say.
Why Did You Do It?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7f5nxuKts

lol right? Sources sources sources!?!?! Wtf is FM inner circle these days anyway? Lol.

[HomerMcvie]

lol right? Sources sources sources!?!?! Wtf is FM inner circle these days anyway? Lol.

I change the oil on one of the backup singer's maid's car!!!!:p

[Dr.Brown]

Inside sources...:laugh:
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[FuzzyPlum]

lol right? Sources sources sources!?!?! Wtf is FM inner circle these days anyway? Lol.


Exactly...what is the inner circle?
I understood in days gone by it'd be the band, wives, partners, Richard D, Ken C, John C, Curry G, Judy, some of Stevie's entourage etc. Then there's be a handful of close crew, recording engineers and technicians. Having watched various films/clip, reading Ken's book and reading Richards tweets, I got the sense back in the day there was a real close knit community.

Who do you count as inner circle now? The band, Julie McVie, Marcie Weiss, Sharon Finn, several girlfriends/boyfriends of band members (a couple of whom are unknown), band members' kids. Neale Heywood? Steve Thoma? I certainly don't think 'inner circle' exists in the same way it once did.

[Sugar Mouse]

Sugar Mouse - I am calling your bluff.
On the "Let me teach you about real reality" thread you questioned repeatedly exactly the facts on Lindsey's firing...we mentioned the day after Musicares video of LB and his BuckVie musicians accounts of what happened that hugely contrast the version/ reason we got from Mick and Stevie but you still didn't choose to believe what is pretty clearly the truth.
Surely this person in the FM inner circle you just met would have told you the facts, care to share this with the group?!!!

Sure. This person told me that Lindsey wanted to delay the tour until the end of 2019 and that Lindsey had become very frustrated with Stevie's unwillingness to record a new album. It sounded like Stevie was frustrated that Lindsey was backing out of the tour and Lindsey was frustrated that Stevie wouldn't record a studio album. Things came to a head at MusiCares and the rest is sad history for the band with Lindsey being fired. There were some other things he mentioned to me, but they're not appropriate to post here. It's always sad when a band with this much incredible history breaks up. As I mentioned before, he told me that we can expect new music from the new lineup possibly before the tour starts in October. My guess is that it will be a new song or EP, but he said that it all depends on how things go in rehearsals and whether quality new songs emerge.

[Neal]

You're very likely wrong. I just met someone who is in the Fleetwood Mac inner circle and he told me that the band is planning to record new material very soon. Fingers crossed ...

If this happens, that alleged album will be the one and only FM recording that I refuse to buy.

I maaay be convinced to buy Chris's songs a la carte on iTunes, and if they're good I maaay give Stevie's tracks a shot. But they'll definitely be illegally downloaded copies. :p :nod:

[Sugar Mouse]

If this happens, that alleged album will be the one and only FM recording that I refuse to buy.

I maaay be convinced to buy Chris's songs a la carte on iTunes, and if they're good I maaay give Stevie's tracks a shot. But they'll definitely be illegally downloaded copies. :p :nod:

I can relate to that feeling. My favorite band in college was Marillion and it broke my heart when they fired Fish and hired Steve Hogarth as lead singer.

[dreamsunwind]

Sure. This person told me that Lindsey wanted to delay the tour until the end of 2019 and that Lindsey had become very frustrated with Stevie's unwillingness to record a new album. It sounded like Stevie was frustrated that Lindsey was backing out of the tour and Lindsey was frustrated that Stevie wouldn't record a studio album. Things came to a head at MusiCares and the rest is sad history for the band with Lindsey being fired. There were some other things he mentioned to me, but they're not appropriate to post here. It's always sad when a band with this much incredible history breaks up. As I mentioned before, he told me that we can expect new music from the new lineup possibly before the tour starts in October. My guess is that it will be a new song or EP, but he said that it all depends on how things go in rehearsals and whether quality new songs emerge.

Lindsey was not asking to delay the tour.
Your "source" that most likely doesn't exist is telling you the band's story.

[Sugar Mouse]

Lindsey was not asking to delay the tour.
Your "source" that most likely doesn't exist is telling you the band's story.

Ok ... I can't say who it is but it's someone that has been working with both Lindsey and the rest of the band for decades. He knows the inner dynamics of what was going on. I'm just posting what he told me.

[elle]

Ok ... I can't say who it is but it's someone that has been working with both Lindsey and the rest of the band for decades. He knows the inner dynamics of what was going on. I'm just posting what he told me.

Almost sound like you are talking to Ken Caillait on fb. He is not in inner circle but for years now sounds like he’s desperate to be back in. Maybe he’s hoping to finally be back in their good graces now and produce whatever they try to put together. But he was very clear his info comes through another source and is not first hand. He was given bands official statement to paddle and sell to people.

[dreamsunwind]

Ok ... I can't say who it is but it's someone that has been working with both Lindsey and the rest of the band for decades. He knows the inner dynamics of what was going on. I'm just posting what he told me.

Of course you can't say who it is.
On the other hand people who also have "sources" currently connected to the band and have had them for a while, didn't just suddenly meet them, have said the band lied/manipulated the truth. Others such as Lindsey's guitar maker and a backup band member have also said it wasn't true. Even that one mysterious user here, FM77, who has always had inside knowledge said it's not true. Lindsey's own family, specifically his wife, have heavily insinuated that the band is lying. Take a look at some of Kristen's twitter activity.

[Dr.Brown]

Sure. This person told me that Lindsey wanted to delay the tour until the end of 2019 and that Lindsey had become very frustrated with Stevie's unwillingness to record a new album. It sounded like Stevie was frustrated that Lindsey was backing out of the tour and Lindsey was frustrated that Stevie wouldn't record a studio album. Things came to a head at MusiCares and the rest is sad history for the band with Lindsey being fired. There were some other things he mentioned to me, but they're not appropriate to post here. It's always sad when a band with this much incredible history breaks up. As I mentioned before, he told me that we can expect new music from the new lineup possibly before the tour starts in October. My guess is that it will be a new song or EP, but he said that it all depends on how things go in rehearsals and whether quality new songs emerge.

The section in bold makes me cry utter BS on the rest of your source's info. There is no reason on earth why Lindsey would ever have asked the band to delay that long. He has never taken such an extensive tour.

Sorry, to be blunt, your source is full of sh!t. :rolleyes:

[Sugar Mouse]

The section in bold makes me cry utter BS on the rest of your source's info. There is no reason on earth why Lindsey would ever have asked the band to delay that long. He has never taken such an extensive tour.

Sorry, to be blunt, your source is full of sh!t. :rolleyes:

Again, I'm just posting what he told me. Of course, I can't confirm if he's correct but he's just about as connected to Lindsey as one can get without being his wife or being in the band.

[dreamsunwind]

Kristen "liked" this post on twitter YIKES.

https://twitter.com/haleyclark/status/999145710330105856?s=21

She'd also previously liked things that said Stevie wanting MC in the band was the root of this.

[Angel75]

Does it really matter? I mean truly? Nothing anyone else says will make you change your mind about the situation, so why bother trying. Besides, you have every right to feel the way you do about Lindsey's firing. But let's really, truly be honest for a second- the key thing here that made some people angry is that FM fired Lindsey. Regardless of the reason, that is what is upsetting people. Let's say an inside source said Lindsey behaved inappropriately at a band meeting, and that was why he was fired. Would that make a difference to you? Probably not, and that's your right. I imagine some of the responses would be "but Lindsey sacrificed the last 40 years of his life to make FM a success, so they should deal with it instead of stabbing him in the back." And that's their right to feel that way. I disagree, and there's probably nothing anyone could say that would change my mind, either. What's clear to you is not clear to me, and what's clear to me is not clear to you :sorry:


OF COURSE IT MATTERS. I want to know the truth. I am not one-eyed about this situation but am basing my Andre and sadness on the facts and evidence that Lindsey was fired without wanting to delay the tour against his choice or doing. Firstly, he knows first hand that both the McVies don't have their health on their side and probably can't wait until Nov 2019, that excuse just makes no sense. Nor would he tour for that long anyway usually. But you are wrong if Lindsey did behave really inappropriately, I would certainly not be jumping to his defence and would accept his firing as necessary. I try to look at this situation fairly and with the truthful evidence in front of us. I have no alliance to any one band member....I liked them all, with the exception of Mick really, equally.

[Hawkeye]

Lol please do not tell me that the band existed before and without Lindsey. I'm perfectly aware. But the 'before' Lindsey is not a 40+ year legacy with that one person putting SO much into the band. Even when he bailed after Tango, he did so AFTER having made an album that went on to sell millions and millions of copies. Lindsey wanted to record a final album with the band VERY much because he wanted to wrap up that wonderful legacy. And thanks to Miss Stevie Nicks, that didn't happen. And then not only did he not get the album he very much wanted, he then got pushed out of that same band that he put so much into it.
In my opinion this entire situation is just an absolutely appalling disrespect and if they actually record a new album (aka if Stevie Nicks really wants to spite Lindsey) then it'll just be pouring salt into the wound.
That's my opinion you don't have to agree with it.

They accomplished way more in that 8 years then they have in the pst 43. And that’s not hyperbole either.

The only disrespect I get out of all this is Lindsey’s disrespect to Mick and John in his recent comments about a 43 year legacy.

And I guess stevie and the whole band’s (including Lindsey) disrespect towards their fans with the multiple lies and rewriting of history in recent interviews.

[Hawkeye]

If the new "Fleetwood Mac" records new material then I personally hope that Kristen Buckingham sues them all for emotional damages. What an absolute slap in the face to the person who wanted a final album more than anyone else.


:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:

[Angel75]

Sure. This person told me that Lindsey wanted to delay the tour until the end of 2019 and that Lindsey had become very frustrated with Stevie's unwillingness to record a new album. It sounded like Stevie was frustrated that Lindsey was backing out of the tour and Lindsey was frustrated that Stevie wouldn't record a studio album. Things came to a head at MusiCares and the rest is sad history for the band with Lindsey being fired. There were some other things he mentioned to me, but they're not appropriate to post here

These 'other things' mentioned that are not appropriate to post, do they provide any more justification as to why LB was fired? Did SN give Mick a you or me ultimatum?

[FuzzyPlum]

Almost sound like you are talking to Ken Caillait on fb. He is not in inner circle but for years now sounds like he’s desperate to be back in. Maybe he’s hoping to finally be back in their good graces now and produce whatever they try to put together. But he was very clear his info comes through another source and is not first hand. He was given bands official statement to paddle and sell to people.


Are you suggesting Sugar Mouse is referring to KC?
He hasn't been inner circle for 35 years. Whatever KC says, Stevie wouldn't ever let him near another Fleetwood Mac recording in a million years.
He don't know sh!t

[dreamsunwind]

Are you suggesting Sugar Mouse is referring to KC?
He hasn't been inner circle for 35 years. Whatever KC says, Stevie wouldn't ever let him near another Fleetwood Mac recording in a million years.
He don't know sh!t

Of course no one actually presently IN the FM 'circle' is going to be spilling secrets to strangers. The people who know things know through the LA people that work in the industry, part of tour crews, management etc.

[Dr.Brown]

Kristen "liked" this post on twitter YIKES.

https://twitter.com/haleyclark/status/999145710330105856?s=21

She'd also previously liked things that said Stevie wanting MC in the band was the root of this.

Here is the post that was referenced in the Tweet (link to full blog page below):

Thinkthinkthink 2:29 PM

Fleetwood Mac. Stevie Nicks gave the band an ultimatum: “It’s me or Lindsey.” Why? Besides the fact that she’s crazy, she’s been grieving the death of Tom Petty. She acts nutty when she grieves. Recall she married her best friend’s husband a few weeks after she died and divorced him three months later because the ghost of Robin (her dead friend and his dead wife) was no longer coming at night and rocking the baby’s cradle so she knew “ that was Robin’s sign to me telling me to leave and divorce him.” Leaving the then four month old Matthew with no mom or stepmother. Alrighty then!!!

Stevie wanted Mike Campbell in the band. She always loved popping up at TP and The HB’s shows. A feather in her cap. She met Tom Petty by hiding in his basement years ago. After Petty’s death, Nicks set about to blow things up with Lindsey and have him removed from Fleetwood Mac. She’s the cash cow so Mick sided with her because Mick’s bankrupted seven times and is not acquainted with loyalty or fidelity. Christine McVie was informed of Lindsey’s firing AFTER the fact.

Stevie and Mick wanted to feed the public the story Lindsey was fired due to a touring scheduling conflict. That’s notably hilarious because Nicks has delayed touring and making FM albums for years. The last Buckingham/McVie album is a case in point. All four members of the band were on that album, sans Miss Nicks.

Nicks and Mick being elderly and probably thought they could get away with the deception given they know little about social media. It would have worked in the 70’s. Oh, well. It didn’t work in 2018 and as it turns out; it’s not that funny, is it?

Fast forward to the pathetic band interview on CBS with Anthony Mason where all the members of this motley crew are looking at the floor as Mick and Stevie lie to Anthony Mason about Lindsey’s firing while announcing the NEW band and their upcoming tour. An interesting mix of prevarication and non-sequiturs followed. Stevie, the perineal victim, is holding two of the men’s hands like a grieving widow saying “I’m not the boss.” Umm, who asked that Stevie?

Stevie Nicks later tells Rolling Stone Magazine: “Well with Tom’s death you know, anything can happen and I want to spend the next ten years of my life dancing and having fun.” Okay, Stevie. THAT’s your response to being asked a question about Lindsey being let go from the band based on the contrived nonsense that he didn’t want to tour on the band’s schedule? Well, Stevie’s no neurosurgeon for good reasons. The “we wanted to play old tunes” mantra is equally absurd to all sentient beings sans the Stevie Bots who remain firmly entrenched in dated hairstyles and 1980, insisting “Stevie is a goddess.”

In short, Stevie Nicks wanted Buckingham out of the band because she wanted former Heartbreaker, Mike Campbell in. She threw her weight around (no pun intended) to make that happen.

Lindsey Buckingham was in no way shape or form fired from Fleetwood Mac because of a scheduling conflict or a disagreement about a potential set list. Those are the facts. The band has lied about his firing since April 9. The leaks of what really happened were coming in for a month before the band’s announcement. Because Chris is a normal person with a modicum of ethics and decency, she’s struggling.

Fleetwood Mac has tarnished the Rumors 5 legacy (please don’t tell me the band existed before Lindsey and Stevie, I’m well aware) and now has become a cover band to cave to an melodramatic diva hell bent on having her own way to meet her twisted emotional needs, may others be damned.

Let’s see how long Chris can deal with this nonsense. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chris leave before this faux band starts this tour. Meanwhile, just watch how surly the usually affable Mick gets when questioned about the "new band.”

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/05/blind-item-2_14.html?m=1

[lilyfee]

I’m disappointed to see that Kristen Buckingham is resorting to liking vitriolic twitter and Instagram posts. I thought Lindsey’s one speech on the whole thing was unbelievably classy.

It’s never a good idea to feed the trolls on social media. Engaging in hateful commentary is petty and only reflects poorly on her. It also does not give us the full story, only indicates that she now hates the people her husband has worked with for the 43 years.

I’m extremely puzzled by the thinkthinkthink person’s logic. We get it, you think Stevie’s horrible, you act like she basically left her best friend’s son in the woods as a newborn and kicked Lindsey out in order to steal another best friend’s work husband yet... you probably expect this behavior from her. Christine chose her side, even after recording and touring with Lindsey. She’s not being held captive. She’s a grown woman who publicly supported this decision. Why do people think she is anywhere other than where she wants to be?? I’m disgusted with Fleetwood Mac right now, and I don’t understand the lengths people will go to make excuses for certain people and scapegoat others. I’m disappointed that KB would dignify posts like this with a like.

I wish someone would give a real interview. Like even if it’s the Stevie/Mick side, can we please get one consistent narrative that doesn’t beat around the bush??

If any of the Buckinghams wants to speak out instead of hiding behind social media likes, I’d love to hear their side of the story.

[Hawkeye]

Are you suggesting Sugar Mouse is referring to KC?
He hasn't been inner circle for 35 years. Whatever KC says, Stevie wouldn't ever let him near another Fleetwood Mac recording in a million years.
He don't know sh!t


This is news to me. What does Stevie have against KC

[Dr.Brown]

The problem is we're being trolled right here on this board by those who take as 'gospel' the ludicrous claim that Lindsey would ever demand that Fleetwood Mac delay touring until November 2019 - nearly another two years after the Musicares event this past January 2018!

[lilyfee]

This is news to me. What does Stevie have against KC

I don’t think anyone in the band has talked to him since his tell all book.

The problem is we're being trolled right here on this board by those who take as 'gospel' the ludicrous claim that Lindsey would ever demand that Fleetwood Mac delay touring until November 2019 - nearly another two years after the Musicares event this past January 2018!

Lindsey’s people referred journalists back to Fleetwood Mac for a statement. I wish that if this wasn’t true, he would correct it and provide us with some real facts.

[dreamsunwind]

I’m disappointed to see that Kristen Buckingham is resorting to liking vitriolic twitter and Instagram posts. I thought Lindsey’s one speech on the whole thing was unbelievably classy.

It’s never a good idea to feed the trolls on social media. Engaging in hateful commentary is petty and only reflects poorly on her. It also does not give us the full story, only indicates that she now hates the people her husband has worked with for the 43 years.

I’m extremely puzzled by the thinkthinkthink person’s logic. We get it, you think Stevie’s horrible, you act like she basically left her best friend’s son in the woods as a newborn and kicked Lindsey out in order to steal another best friend’s work husband yet... you probably expect this behavior from her. Christine chose her side, even after recording and touring with Lindsey. She’s not being held captive. She’s a grown woman who publicly supported this decision. Why do people think she is anywhere other than where she wants to be?? I’m disgusted with Fleetwood Mac right now, and I don’t understand the lengths people will go to make excuses for certain people and scapegoat others. I’m disappointed that KB would dignify posts like this with a like.

I wish someone would give a real interview. Like even if it’s the Stevie/Mick side, can we please get one consistent narrative that doesn’t beat around the bush??

If any of the Buckinghams wants to speak out instead of hiding behind social media likes, I’d love to hear their side of the story.

Well she's Lindsey's wife so she obviously knows all about everything that happened and considering that prior to this, she was always hugely supportive of FM and exclusively said positive, loving things about the band on her social media, I'd say the fact that she's now 'turned against them' is pretty damn telling lol. Even her daughter went from calling Stevie "her queen" to holding a seemingly negative image of her in a matter of a few months.
Maybe Kristen and Leelee and his entire family are liking those posts because Stevie and the rest of them DID do a bad thing and they deserve to be called out for it?

[dreamsunwind]

This is news to me. What does Stevie have against KC

In 2013 when she was doing press for her documentary she got an audience question about Ken's book and she trashed it and him big time. The video is on YouTube I believe.

[button-lip]

Does it really matter? I mean truly? Nothing anyone else says will make you change your mind about the situation, so why bother trying. Besides, you have every right to feel the way you do about Lindsey's firing. But let's really, truly be honest for a second- the key thing here that made some people angry is that FM fired Lindsey. Regardless of the reason, that is what is upsetting people. Let's say an inside source said Lindsey behaved inappropriately at a band meeting, and that was why he was fired. Would that make a difference to you? Probably not, and that's your right. I imagine some of the responses would be "but Lindsey sacrificed the last 40 years of his life to make FM a success, so they should deal with it instead of stabbing him in the back." And that's their right to feel that way. I disagree, and there's probably nothing anyone could say that would change my mind, either. What's clear to you is not clear to me, and what's clear to me is not clear to you :sorry:

It's like trying to make Stevie's fans understand that she was the sole reason Lindsey was fired because she wanted to punish him. I don't need to imagine the responses, because I have already read them: "but she sells arenas, she's the hit maker!"

[button-lip]

Well she's Lindsey's wife so she obviously knows all about everything that happened and considering that prior to this, she was always hugely supportive of FM and exclusively said positive, loving things about the band on her social media, I'd say the fact that she's now 'turned against them' is pretty damn telling lol. Even her daughter went from calling Stevie "her queen" to holding a seemingly negative image of her in a matter of a few months.
Maybe Kristen and Leelee and his entire family are liking those posts because Stevie and the rest of them DID do a bad thing and they deserve to be called out for it?

This! The whole Buckingham family has always been very supportive of FM. They're all now so angry, especially with Stevie, that I can't even imagine what's the whole story here. They all love Lindsey and they clearly feel the band's betrayal to him as if it was directed to them.

[Neal]

I don’t think anyone in the band has talked to him since his tell all book.


I've heard this as well, although I don't understand why. My brain found Ken's book to be highly technical, and a bit boring, imho.

Granted, I read it once upon release, but I don't recall any juicy stories that weren't already floating around well before then...? :shrug:

[bwboy]

It's like trying to make Stevie's fans understand that she was the sole reason Lindsey was fired because she wanted to punish him. I don't need to imagine the responses, because I have already read them: "but she sells arenas, she's the hit maker!"

You are right about that- I don't believe Stevie wanted Lindsey fired just to punish him. I just don't. I don't think she was jealous Christine and Lindsey made an album without her because she declined to work on it with them. And I don't believe she was jealous they toured together without her around the same time she was touring.

Here's what I do think: she never wanted to record with Lindsey again, and sometime later she gave the ultimatum it was either her or him. The band chose Stevie, and I understand why- Mick and John get their income from touring. When Buck/Vie toured, they didn't use Mick and John. And their tour was not a big moneymaker, anyway. So Mick and John have a choice: kick Stevie out and record an album as FM and go on a small venue tour, or kick Lindsey out and possibly record an album as FM with Neil and Mike and go on a large venue tour.

Mick and John have the right to earn an income. They may have a lot of money, but they can't depend on savings- they have to continue making money just like most people. That's kind of why the Rolling Stones and U2 and other bands continue touring- those yachts and private colleges and mansions cost a lot of money. That's why Mick and John don't just retire to leave their legacy intact. Even Stevie, Lindsey, and Christine tour for the money, and being the songwriters, they make a lot more money than Mick and John, but even they use these tours to pay for their mansions, families, etc.

Is it unfortunate they couldn't make it work? Yes. But I understand why the decision was made. It was purely smart business and economical. I have no right to tell Mick and John they should retire because they fired Lindsey. You and anyone else have every right to protest, express your frustration, etc. Don't go to future FM concerts, don't buy any more FM albums, whether EPs or cds or greatest hits or live compilations. Likewise, I and anyone else have every right to give this new line up a chance. To see them live in concert. I don't feel anger at the band, and I still like Rumours and the white album and Tusk. And I know Lindsey will release cds and tour, and I'll buy his CD and possibly see him in concert too, especially since he's no longer in FM.

Button-lip, I know you said not to say "but she sells arenas," but I really do think that's what it came down to. And I know you and I disagree on this, but I really wanted to write sincerely to you about why I am able to accept this new line up of FM. If Stevie had been fired, I would have been fine with that. And if someone had replaced her, depending on who it was, I would have been just as intrigued, especially if Ann Wilson or Pat Benatar or even Belinda Carlisle had replaced her. I mean, can you imagine?!? I would totally have been there! Actually, FM hiring Neil Finn was smart on a couple of levels, the main one being he's pretty non-threatening. What I mean by that, some people may love him, many have at least heard of him or know his song Don't Dream It's Over, but few hate the guy! He's not polarizing like some other singers might have been.

Button-lip, I would love for your thoughts on some of what I said. Do you think my theory about why FM kept Stevie over Lindsey could be true? What are your thoughts about a FM touring without Stevie, and should they have tried to replace her if they had fired her?

[Storms123]

You are right about that- I don't believe Stevie wanted Lindsey fired just to punish him. I just don't. I don't think she was jealous Christine and Lindsey made an album without her because she declined to work on it with them. And I don't believe she was jealous they toured together without her around the same time she was touring.

Here's what I do think: she never wanted to record with Lindsey again, and sometime later she gave the ultimatum it was either her or him. The band chose Stevie, and I understand why- Mick and John get their income from touring. When Buck/Vie toured, they didn't use Mick and John. And their tour was not a big moneymaker, anyway. So Mick and John have a choice: kick Stevie out and record an album as FM and go on a small venue tour, or kick Lindsey out and possibly record an album as FM with Neil and Mike and go on a large venue tour.

Mick and John have the right to earn an income. They may have a lot of money, but they can't depend on savings- they have to continue making money just like most people. That's kind of why the Rolling Stones and U2 and other bands continue touring- those yachts and private colleges and mansions cost a lot of money. That's why Mick and John don't just retire to leave their legacy intact. Even Stevie, Lindsey, and Christine tour for the money, and being the songwriters, they make a lot more money than Mick and John, but even they use these tours to pay for their mansions, families, etc.

Is it unfortunate they couldn't make it work? Yes. But I understand why the decision was made. It was purely smart business and economical. I have no right to tell Mick and John they should retire because they fired Lindsey. You and anyone else have every right to protest, express your frustration, etc. Don't go to future FM concerts, don't buy any more FM albums, whether EPs or cds or greatest hits or live compilations. Likewise, I and anyone else have every right to give this new line up a chance. To see them live in concert. I don't feel anger at the band, and I still like Rumours and the white album and Tusk. And I know Lindsey will release cds and tour, and I'll buy his CD and possibly see him in concert too, especially since he's no longer in FM.

Button-lip, I know you said not to say "but she sells arenas," but I really do think that's what it came down to. And I know you and I disagree on this, but I really wanted to write sincerely to you about why I am able to accept this new line up of FM. If Stevie had been fired, I would have been fine with that. And if someone had replaced her, depending on who it was, I would have been just as intrigued, especially if Ann Wilson or Pat Benatar or even Belinda Carlisle had replaced her. I mean, can you imagine?!? I would totally have been there! Actually, FM hiring Neil Finn was smart on a couple of levels, the main one being he's pretty non-threatening. What I mean by that, some people may love him, many have at least heard of him or know his song Don't Dream It's Over, but few hate the guy! He's not polarizing like some other singers might have been.

Button-lip, I would love for your thoughts on some of what I said. Do you think my theory about why FM kept Stevie over Lindsey could be true? What are your thoughts about a FM touring without Stevie, and should they have tried to replace her if they had fired her?

There’s likely a lot of truth in what you say. I, for one, would have a hell of a lot more respect for the band, if they said it. Instead, if there’s any element of truth to the above, they are lying, likely to protect her, her image and how she would be perceived if they just said “she can’t work with him anymore”.

[Dr.Brown]

I think we're on the same page here - this was purely a financial decision as far as Mick was concerned. That being said, I'm not interested in a new Stevie-centric Mac. That's what her solo tours are for.

With all sincerity, I'll say "break a leg" as this Post-Rumours band hits the road. ;)

[button-lip]

You are right about that- I don't believe Stevie wanted Lindsey fired just to punish him. I just don't. I don't think she was jealous Christine and Lindsey made an album without her because she declined to work on it with them. And I don't believe she was jealous they toured together without her around the same time she was touring.

Here's what I do think: she never wanted to record with Lindsey again, and sometime later she gave the ultimatum it was either her or him. The band chose Stevie, and I understand why- Mick and John get their income from touring. When Buck/Vie toured, they didn't use Mick and John. And their tour was not a big moneymaker, anyway. So Mick and John have a choice: kick Stevie out and record an album as FM and go on a small venue tour, or kick Lindsey out and possibly record an album as FM with Neil and Mike and go on a large venue tour.

Mick and John have the right to earn an income. They may have a lot of money, but they can't depend on savings- they have to continue making money just like most people. That's kind of why the Rolling Stones and U2 and other bands continue touring- those yachts and private colleges and mansions cost a lot of money. That's why Mick and John don't just retire to leave their legacy intact. Even Stevie, Lindsey, and Christine tour for the money, and being the songwriters, they make a lot more money than Mick and John, but even they use these tours to pay for their mansions, families, etc.

Is it unfortunate they couldn't make it work? Yes. But I understand why the decision was made. It was purely smart business and economical. I have no right to tell Mick and John they should retire because they fired Lindsey. You and anyone else have every right to protest, express your frustration, etc. Don't go to future FM concerts, don't buy any more FM albums, whether EPs or cds or greatest hits or live compilations. Likewise, I and anyone else have every right to give this new line up a chance. To see them live in concert. I don't feel anger at the band, and I still like Rumours and the white album and Tusk. And I know Lindsey will release cds and tour, and I'll buy his CD and possibly see him in concert too, especially since he's no longer in FM.

Button-lip, I know you said not to say "but she sells arenas," but I really do think that's what it came down to. And I know you and I disagree on this, but I really wanted to write sincerely to you about why I am able to accept this new line up of FM. If Stevie had been fired, I would have been fine with that. And if someone had replaced her, depending on who it was, I would have been just as intrigued, especially if Ann Wilson or Pat Benatar or even Belinda Carlisle had replaced her. I mean, can you imagine?!? I would totally have been there! Actually, FM hiring Neil Finn was smart on a couple of levels, the main one being he's pretty non-threatening. What I mean by that, some people may love him, many have at least heard of him or know his song Don't Dream It's Over, but few hate the guy! He's not polarizing like some other singers might have been.

Button-lip, I would love for your thoughts on some of what I said. Do you think my theory about why FM kept Stevie over Lindsey could be true? What are your thoughts about a FM touring without Stevie, and should they have tried to replace her if they had fired her?

There you go! You don't believe it, and yet I was told that was the only reason. So, yeah, every one of us believe what we want to believe. :shrug:

So, if it all comes down to Stevie's ultimátum, why aren't they just saying it? I mean, what's the big problem to just admit it? Isn't she powerful one in the band? They didn't say the real reason because they know what they did was wrong. If not, they would have said it. And if they may be playing on large venue, but so far they're empty...

Do you honestly believe there was a decision that needed to be made? Not at all. Lindsey was no threat to anyone on the band, less Stevie. I don't see this as a business and economical decision. Seriously? If that was the case, they would still be selling as any other tour, even more, and yet, these are probably the worst selling numbers in the story of the band. And really, I'm not the only one who's not giving Fakewood Mac a chance.

Are you gonna see Lindsey on his solo tour. Really? Because he was near you on his BuckVie tour and you didn't go to any of their concerts.

Well, easy to say you will continue supporting the band even if they fire Stevie when we ALL know that will never happen. EVER. EVER. EVER.

[bwboy]

Are you gonna see Lindsey on his solo tour. Really? Because he was near you on his BuckVie tour and you didn't go to any of their concerts.

Well, easy to say you will continue supporting the band even if they fire Stevie when we ALL know that will never happen. EVER. EVER. EVER.

No, I didn't see Christine and Lindsey on tour- 3 hours and 4 1/2 hours was just too far for me. I also didn't see Stevie when she played 90 minutes away, either. But now that I know Lindsey won't be touring with FM, I would definitely plan to see him solo, depending on the location. And if I had known back then he wasn't going to be touring with FM this year, I would have seen him and Christine, but I don't think anybody saw this coming.

As far as supporting FM if Stevie were fired? You bet I would. Christine's songs are my favorite, so buying an album is a no-brainer for me. Seeing them in concert? That I would be 50/50. If they replaced Stevie with someone I liked, then 100% yes, I would go see them in concert. As far as supporting FM without Stevie, I bought Time LOL but I didn't like it, and I didn't go to the concerts, either. But I didn't talk badly about people who did go, and I didn't begrudge the band for making a living. I didn't say they should have retired when Stevie and Christine and Rick left the band, I just didn't have the desire to see them live anymore.

Why would I care if Stevie was fired? She's got her own career, she tours on her own all the time, and she refused to make a new album with FM. I would have been completely been fine if they fired her! I bought 2 copies of Buck/Vie, and she wasn't on it. I am never going to feel badly for a millionaire many times over who gets fired from a band whether it's Stevie or Lindsey. Just ain't gonna happen LOL! Sorry if you don't believe me. But I at least hope we have a better understanding for why we each feel the way we do. I feel like I get your pov better now, and I can understand it, even while we disagree. I hope you feel likewise.

[button-lip]

No, I didn't see Christine and Lindsey on tour- 3 hours and 4 1/2 hours was just too far for me. I also didn't see Stevie when she played 90 minutes away, either. But now that I know Lindsey won't be touring with FM, I would definitely plan to see him solo, depending on the location. And if I had known back then he wasn't going to be touring with FM this year, I would have seen him and Christine, but I don't think anybody saw this coming.

As far as supporting FM if Stevie were fired? You bet I would. Christine's songs are my favorite, so buying an album is a no-brainer for me. Seeing them in concert? That I would be 50/50. If they replaced Stevie with someone I liked, then 100% yes, I would go see them in concert. As far as supporting FM without Stevie, I bought Time LOL but I didn't like it, and I didn't go to the concerts, either. But I didn't talk badly about people who did go, and I didn't begrudge the band for making a living. I didn't say they should have retired when Stevie and Christine and Rick left the band, I just didn't have the desire to see them live anymore.

Why would I care if Stevie was fired? She's got her own career, she tours on her own all the time, and she refused to make a new album with FM. I would have been completely been fine if they fired her! I bought 2 copies of Buck/Vie, and she wasn't on it. I am never going to feel badly for a millionaire many times over who gets fired from a band whether it's Stevie or Lindsey. Just ain't gonna happen LOL! Sorry if you don't believe me. But I at least hope we have a better understanding for why we each feel the way we do. I feel like I get your pov better now, and I can understand it, even while we disagree. I hope you feel likewise.


Well, then you're a better person than me because you don't talk badly about anybody. Making a living? You're saying they're millionaires and at the same time they're "making a living"? You see? They don't need the money. They're millionaires, as you said. This was pure revenge, and that's why I (and many others here) don't feel inclined to wish them luck in whatever they do. That's why I am waiting for this tour to fail.

All of us know Stevie's place in the music industry. We all know she doesn't need FM, because she has her own career where she feels more comfortable and she tours all the time and sells arenas all the time and have fun all the time. So..... wouldn't have been wiser to leave the band if she didn't want to work with Lindsey anymore? But where's the fun there? Where's the revenge in leaving the band? Yeah, it was more satisfactory for her this way.

[bwboy]

Well, then you're a better person than me because you don't talk badly about anybody. Making a living? You're saying they're millionaires and at the same time they're "making a living"? You see? They don't need the money. They're millionaires, as you said. This was pure revenge, and that's why I (and many others here) don't feel inclined to wish them luck in whatever they do. That's why I am waiting for this tour to fail.


I definitely don't think I'm a better person here. Yes they're millionaires, especially the 3 songwriters. No, I don't feel sorry for them if they get kicked out of a band... they can sell one of their yachts or summer homes or whatever LOL! The 3 songwriters are making a living touring, of course, but John and Mick in particular need the tours for income, that was what I meant. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was always under the impression the songwriters get paid more... a lot more. If I'm incorrect, someone please chime in. Since I don't feel sorry for millionaires who get kicked out of a band after 40 years and you do, maybe that makes you a better person than me. That's just how I feel, wrong or right.

And I guarantee you, if Stevie had been fired and replaced with Belinda Carlisle, I would hit as many shows as humanly possible! Lindsey wrote a song on her first album, she has a similar vibrato to Stevie, yet she's different enough that she would stand on her own. Would she be a draw? Maybe, I don't know. But I would totally be excited about the possibilities her presence would add to the band, both live and in the recording studio. Same thing with Ann Wilson or Pat Benatar. I think either one of those women would also have fit in with FM. Now, maybe that makes me a bad person but it's the honest truth. And it's not that I would have been happy Stevie was fired, but I would have enjoyed seeing one of those 3 women in her place. It is possible to feel both ways, at least for me.

[dreamsunwind]

Well, then you're a better person than me because you don't talk badly about anybody. Making a living? You're saying they're millionaires and at the same time they're "making a living"? You see? They don't need the money. They're millionaires, as you said. This was pure revenge, and that's why I (and many others here) don't feel inclined to wish them luck in whatever they do. That's why I am waiting for this tour to fail.

All of us know Stevie's place in the music industry. We all know she doesn't need FM, because she has her own career where she feels more comfortable and she tours all the time and sells arenas all the time and have fun all the time. So..... wouldn't have been wiser to leave the band if she didn't want to work with Lindsey anymore? But where's the fun there? Where's the revenge in leaving the band? Yeah, it was more satisfactory for her this way.

I don't think this was really about revenge or about Stevie being vindictive or contemptful towards LB. Yes I think the BuckVie album played a part and of course the up and down between her and him that has gone on forever, but what I really, really think was the most responsible factor for all of this is just that she wanted Mike in the band. Really, if Tom hadn't passed this never would have happened and I am absolutely sure of it. 'Normal' Stevie would never have done it, she would never have wanted to tarnish the legacy of the band like that, she would never have been able to bring herself to do that to Lindsey no matter how pissed she was at him, she just never would have gone that far. But Stevie stuck in her grief? Remember this is a woman who literally married her dead best friend's widowed husband just months after she passed. It's almost crazy how all of this started just a few months after Tom's death and how much of it mirrors that situation. Tom was one of her best friends, she completely adored and was practically obsessed with him and his band. His death was so sudden and out of nowhere I'm sure it was (understandably) just a catastrophe to her. Mike was Tom's partner and her friend. She wants the person closest to Tom to be close to her, so she wanted Mike in the band (and this isn't even the first time she tried bringing one of her friends into FM). But obviously that wasn't gonna happen with Lindsey in the band and I'm sure she knew it. So when whatever happened started, Lindsey asking to delay the tour, Lindsey asking to do solo dates in between the tour, it was the golden chance to bring Mike in and she ran with it. I really don't think it was so much about her wanting Lindsey out as it was about her wanting Mike in. And given all the things we've heard, and the (albeit very shady) posts that KB has 'liked', I really do think that's the reality of what happened.

[secondhandchain]

I definitely don't think I'm a better person here. Yes they're millionaires, especially the 3 songwriters. No, I don't feel sorry for them if they get kicked out of a band... they can sell one of their yachts or summer homes or whatever LOL! The 3 songwriters are making a living touring, of course, but John and Mick in particular need the tours for income, that was what I meant. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was always under the impression the songwriters get paid more... a lot more. If I'm incorrect, someone please chime in. Since I don't feel sorry for millionaires who get kicked out of a band after 40 years and you do, maybe that makes you a better person than me. That's just how I feel, wrong or right.

And I guarantee you, if Stevie had been fired and replaced with Belinda Carlisle, I would hit as many shows as humanly possible! Lindsey wrote a song on her first album, she has a similar vibrato to Stevie, yet she's different enough that she would stand on her own. Would she be a draw? Maybe, I don't know. But I would totally be excited about the possibilities her presence would add to the band, both live and in the recording studio. Same thing with Ann Wilson or Pat Benatar. I think either one of those women would also have fit in with FM. Now, maybe that makes me a bad person but it's the honest truth. And it's not that I would have been happy Stevie was fired, but I would have enjoyed seeing one of those 3 women in her place. It is possible to feel both ways, at least for me.

Are you kidding Belinda can't sing live on key to save her life.

[Sugar Mouse]

Are you kidding Belinda can't sing live on key to save her life.

Maybe Brandi Carlile but please no Belinda Carlile ... :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

Are you kidding Belinda can't sing live on key to save her life.

Shocked you didn’t follow that up with a... “well I guess that makes her a perfect fit to replace Stevie” well it’s coming, so I’ll beat everyone to to it it!

[Dr.Brown]

I don't think this was really about revenge or about Stevie being vindictive or contemptful towards LB. Yes I think the BuckVie album played a part and of course the up and down between her and him that has gone on forever, but what I really, really think was the most responsible factor for all of this is just that she wanted Mike in the band. Really, if Tom hadn't passed this never would have happened and I am absolutely sure of it. 'Normal' Stevie would never have done it, she would never have wanted to tarnish the legacy of the band like that, she would never have been able to bring herself to do that to Lindsey no matter how pissed she was at him, she just never would have gone that far. But Stevie stuck in her grief? Remember this is a woman who literally married her dead best friend's widowed husband just months after she passed. It's almost crazy how all of this started just a few months after Tom's death and how much of it mirrors that situation. Tom was one of her best friends, she completely adored and was practically obsessed with him and his band. His death was so sudden and out of nowhere I'm sure it was (understandably) just a catastrophe to her. Mike was Tom's partner and her friend. She wants the person closest to Tom to be close to her, so she wanted Mike in the band (and this isn't even the first time she tried bringing one of her friends into FM). But obviously that wasn't gonna happen with Lindsey in the band and I'm sure she knew it. So when whatever happened started, Lindsey asking to delay the tour, Lindsey asking to do solo dates in between the tour, it was the golden chance to bring Mike in and she ran with it. I really don't think it was so much about her wanting Lindsey out as it was about her wanting Mike in. And given all the things we've heard, and the (albeit very shady) posts that KB has 'liked', I really do think that's the reality of what happened.

Somewhere in Rock n' Roll Heaven Tom is shaking his head at all this and is grateful that he never caved and let Stevie join his band.

[bwboy]

Shocked you didn’t follow that up with a... “well I guess that makes her a perfect fit to replace Stevie” well it’s coming, so I’ll beat everyone to to it it!

Noooo... I love Belinda Carlisle LOL I can't help it!

And since I brought her up... just a few years ago, there was some controversy with the Go-Go's because 4 of the 5 band members fired bassist Kathy Valentine shortly before their farewell tour and replaced her with a studio musician. Now, I am a big Belinda Carlisle fan, as well as a big Go-Go's fan, but I was not pleased with the way they did that, it seemed greedy that they wanted to split the profits 4 ways instead of 5. So Kathy Valentine sued them, so they sued her. They claimed that she was fired because in 1984 or so, she wrote Vacation but Jane Wiedlin had to rewrite it, so she wasn't really an asset to the band! They also were supposedly angry because in her blog, Kathy repeated an oft-told tale about Belinda's drug dealer, only Kathy mentioned the dealer by name. Anyway, long story short, well after the farewell tour ended, they settled the suit and Kathy got a settlement. Horrible way to end their legacy, yes? Only guess what- now there's a musical being performed in San Francisco called Head Over Heels, featuring songs by the Go-Go's, and guess who co-wrote the song Head Over Heels? That's right, Kathy Valentine! So guess who's back in the Go-Go's for a limited run tour and all is forgiven LOL. That's right, Kathy Valentine! All it took to reunite all 5 Go-Go's was a potential financial windfall.

I bring this up because it is actually similar to what happened in FM, not that the Go-Go's were ever at that same level of fame or success FM had, but they were popular in their prime. Still, I was really annoyed that the 4 band members kicked Kathy out like that, and I also felt sorry for her because I didn't think she was a millionaire and probably really needed the income. But how did I respond to her firing? I didn't see the tour. I was going to, but after what happened, I changed my mind. But I didn't begrudge the other members, I didn't feel like someone had died, I didn't burn my Go-Go's cds, or my Belinda Carlisle cds, or even my Jane Wiedlin or Graces cds. Yes, just like I buy every CD by just about every member of FM (even Mick Fleetwood's Zoo, for God's sake!) I did the same for the Go-Go's.

I just thought I would share that little tidbit.

[sasja]

Somewhere in Rock n' Roll Heaven Tom is shaking his head at all this and is grateful that he never caved and let Stevie join his band.

Dr. Brown just won the Interwebs. :xoxo: :woohoo: :thumbsup:

[Storms123]

Somewhere in Rock n' Roll Heaven Tom is shaking his head at all this and is grateful that he never caved and let Stevie join his band.

Best post ever!

[BombaySapphire3]

Maybe Brandi Carlile but please no Belinda Carlile ... :laugh:

Then Fleetwood Mac would have it's greatest vocalist ever.:nod:

[twinmatrix]

All this makes me wonder if Chris and Lindsey have spoken since everything went down. And if so, what was said. I finally watched the big interview the other day, and it was eye opening how very unamused Chris was. She’s always been the queen of cool & reserve (publicly). I’d hope Chris at least put in a conciliatory call to Lindsey.

What big interview? Link please? :)

[SteveMacD]

What big interview? Link please? :)

Pretty that was a reference to the CBS interview.

[SteveMacD]

If Stevie had been fired, they would have just gone out as a quartet. Christine and Lindsey have enough hits and classics between them that there would have been no need to hire anyone else.

[snroxman]

I keep hoping that cooler heads and common sense will prevail, but it is probably too late for either now. If Christine were to exit - before tour or after the first (or only) round of scheduled dates - I would be very proud of her / respectful of her decision. This arrangement can't be easy on her.

Separately, I'm looking forward to future work from Lindsey. If he ends up touring himself - either as a one man show or with a band - I'll be there.

[David]

I keep hoping that cooler heads and common sense will prevail, but it is probably too late for either now. If Christine were to exit - before tour or after the first (or only) round of scheduled dates - I would be very proud of her / respectful of her decision. This arrangement can't be easy on her.

Separately, I'm looking forward to future work from Lindsey. If he ends up touring himself - either as a one man show or with a band - I'll be there.

So any more news on whether Chris decided to stay or go?

[Sugar Mouse]

If Stevie had been fired, they would have just gone out as a quartet. Christine and Lindsey have enough hits and classics between them that there would have been no need to hire anyone else.

No chance of that. Christine and Lindsey are mega-talents, but the band can't play arenas without Stevie. They would have to play theaters without Stevie. Any promoter will tell you that she's the star attraction.

[SteveMacD]

No chance of that. Christine and Lindsey are mega-talents, but the band can't play arenas without Stevie. They would have to play theaters without Stevie. Any promoter will tell you that she's the star attraction.

Hence why I said “If.”

It’s really just the difference between Crosby, Stills, & Nash vs. Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young. No arenas, but still viable. And, because they wouldn’t be playing arenas, they would have significantly less overhead. So it could be a break even to slightly less profit for them.

[Sugar Mouse]

Hence why I said “If.”

It’s really just the difference between Crosby, Stills, & Nash vs. Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young. No arenas, but still viable. And, because they wouldn’t be playing arenas, they would have significantly less overhead. So it could be a break even to slightly less profit for them.

Wow ... we agree. Fleetwood Mac without Stevie is a 2500ish seat band. Still viable but more of mid-level classic rock outfit rather than an arena band that can highlight a festival.

[Dr.Brown]

Wow ... we agree. Fleetwood Mac without Stevie is a 2500ish seat band. Still viable but more of mid-level classic rock outfit rather than an arena band that can highlight a festival.

No doubt the exact reasoning Mi¢k had in his head when faced with a $tevie vs. Lindsey ultimatum. :mad:

[elle]

Hence why I said “If.”

It’s really just the difference between Crosby, Stills, & Nash vs. Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young. No arenas, but still viable. And, because they wouldn’t be playing arenas, they would have significantly less overhead. So it could be a break even to slightly less profit for them.

plus, they are NOT selling out arenas now, even though they are trying really hard, and i guess will probably will be mostly successful by the show time. with a few convenient cancellations and closings of the arena top levels (something that never happened on their last 3 tours). :laugh:

and BuckVie were selling sheds, not theaters.

so promoters' and Mick's calculations misfired so far.