Interview with comments from Sharon Celani [Archive]

dreamsunwind

05-20-2018, 03:30 AM

I really wasn't sure where to post this, so I apologize if maybe it should've been in a different board!

https://starworldwidenetworks.com/episodes/with-vocalists-sharon-celani-stevie-nicks-fleetwood-mac-and-gia-ciambotti-bruce-springsteen-lucinda-williams

I found this podcast/interview/radio thing and Sharon Celani was one of the guests. Kinda random if you ask me, but at around the 12.05 mark she talks about the upcoming tour, interestingly she says that they don't go into rehearsals until in August, but the ones that were done earlier with Mike and Neil went well, Mike is a great guitarist and Neil's voice sounds good with Stevie and Christine. The interviewer talks about Lindsey not being there and she says she's really sad about it, that she's a huge fan of Lindsey and again repeats that it's very sad.

Macfan4life

05-20-2018, 07:39 AM

Thanks for posting this. The interesting part was Stevie promising Sharon to get her in Fleetwood Mac the whole time. Not until Lindsey left did Stevie finally make true on her word to bring her into the band. Then Fleetwood Mac had back up singers. Funny story that during the Dance Lindsey asked Sharon how she knew the parts of the songs. She told Lindsey she had been singing in Fleetwood Mac for 10 years. LAMO. Lindsey did not even know Stevie brought her back up singers on tour for all those years?
Sharon talked about singing back up for Don't Come Around Here No More. I wish the interviewer could have asked the question that has been debated forever. Is Stevie singing back up on the song? She is not credited but I have always thought I heard her.

bwboy

05-20-2018, 03:06 PM

FuzzyPlum

05-20-2018, 03:20 PM

Kinda random if you ask me, but at around the 12.05 mark she talks about the upcoming tour, interestingly she says that they don't go into rehearsals until in August, but the ones that were done earlier with Mike and Neil went well, Mike is a great guitarist and Neil's voice sounds good with Stevie and Christine.

From Musicares onward that would have been about 6 months. They could have recorded the lions share of an album in that time.
Oh, to think what could have been.

elle

05-20-2018, 03:47 PM

thanks for sharing and pointing out at what times to listen to.

it's interesting to hear her glance over Lindsey "leaving" like he just comes and goes and is "sadly" temporary away now. almost sounds like the band thought throwing him out for a bit is not a big deal. and that maybe they even tried to sell that he "left" to the new band members and even backup band? :distress:

when i was listening to this something else struck me - how some fans eat up anything served by the band or its members, and blindly follow whether or not that goes against any rhyme or reason. like that discussion about the double album. even though we have interviews audio or statements to the contrary from the past, some people just take whatever the newest statement by their favorite is and try to twist any reality to fit that statement. like this "he left" bs that band is trying to serve the public now, and that Sharon is kinda-sorta repeating here. like he has a choice to come and go.

many, many other fans think and don't blindly follow. recently, there were so many of us calling bs on Lindsey and Christine statements that BuckVie album was always gonna be a duo album. we had statements and interviews from years before making it very clear it was gonna be a FM album. these fans call bs from any band members, whether we like them or not.

very interesting dynamic.

SteveMacD

05-20-2018, 07:22 PM

From Musicares onward that would have been about 6 months. They could have recorded the lions share of an album in that time.
Oh, to think what could have been.

Think about this: In the time it took from the beginnings of what became EP and LBCM through today, it’s almost double the time of Peter Green’s tenure in Fleetwood Mac.

elle

05-20-2018, 07:32 PM

Think about this: In the time it took from the beginnings of what became EP and LBCM through today, it’s almost double the time of Peter Green’s tenure in Fleetwood Mac.

yes. that's why Lindsey is so much better off being thrown out of this band that has been only putting barriers in front of him since before SYW. remember how during recording of SYW he was already talking about the next FM album? that was back in like 2001-02. the album that STILL never came out. :distress:

how sad. Stevie Nicks tried to kill that band foir many years now, all the while talking how she never would. she succeeded now.

and that's not trying to talk bad about her. it's just a fact, and anyone who doesn't accept that is just willfully blind. she may have had her reasons, and you may think they are justified or not, but that's what she did. if she was thrown out of FM some time in the last decade plus, we would have had several FM albums in this century. you know it and i know it. yet, the situation is very different now. :shrug:

Macfan4life

05-20-2018, 07:35 PM

That sounds crazy that Lindsey didn't know Sharon had been singing backup with FM, considering Lindsey himself performed with FM on their last show for Behind the Mask. He played guitar for Landslide and performed Go Your Own Way, so it's kind of hard to believe he didn't notice Sharon or the other backup singer.
I think its an insignificant detail Lindsey could care less about. He probably never saw them live in 1987 and his Landslide in 1990 was probably in and out. I bet if Lindsey would have toured with the band in 1987 Stevie would not have brought Sharon.

elle

05-20-2018, 07:38 PM

I think its an insignificant detail Lindsey could care less about. He probably never saw them live in 1987 and his Landslide in 1990 was probably in and out. I bet if Lindsey would have toured with the band in 1987 Stevie would not have brought Sharon.

isn't it interesting that that's what a Stevie fan would focus on from this whole interview? why would Lindsey know every detail about the band he left to do other things? that would be sick.

bwboy

05-20-2018, 07:50 PM

isn't it interesting that that's what a Stevie fan would focus on from this whole interview? why would Lindsey know every detail about the band he left to do other things? that would be sick.

LOL yeah, that's sick all right!

Lindsey was at the entire concert, so yeah, I'm surprised he didn't notice there were two backup singers. I mean, how could he miss them? Especially when he was on the stage performing Go Your Own Way with them?!?

I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan, you're a Lindsey fan. You hate Fleetwood Mac, you call them different names, say they're not the real band, etc. I like Lindsey and his music, and I don't bad mouth him. That's the difference between you and I, you try to get people to hate Fleetwood Mac. I don't try to get people to hate Lindsey.

SteveMacD

05-20-2018, 08:18 PM

yes. that's why Lindsey is so much better off being thrown out of this band that has been only putting barriers in front of him since before SYW. remember how during recording of SYW he was already talking about the next FM album? that was back in like 2001-02. the album that STILL never came out. :distress:

how sad. Stevie Nicks tried to kill that band foir many years now, all the while talking how she never would. she succeeded now.

and that's not trying to talk bad about her. it's just a fact, and anyone who doesn't accept that is just willfully blind. she may have had her reasons, and you may think they are justified or not, but that's what she did. if she was thrown out of FM some time in the last decade plus, we would have had several FM albums in this century. you know it and i know it. yet, the situation is very different now. :shrug:

As I’ve said for many, many years, I’m a Fleetwood Mac fan in spite of Stevie, not because of her. John and Christine McVie are probably the biggest reason I keep coming back, but the radically different styles amongst the guitarists is the biggest reason I continue listening to them. Yes, I love Lindsey, especially as someone who grew up with folk music (my uncle was friends with Noel “Paul” Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary), so seeing a folkie rocking out was a game changer. But after I started listening to the entire catalog, so were Peter, Danny, Bob, and Billy in very different ways. “Mystery To Me” was like the third or fourth album I bought, and it was one that I didn’t immediately get, but now it’s top 5 or so. Mike Campbell is always someone I felt was the John McVie of guitar: always tasteful, plays exactly what the song requires without overplaying or leaving one wanting, and criminally underrated, so seeing them together is blowing my mind.

That’s not to say I’m happy about what played out, but I don’t have control over it. I could be angry, but I already got over that last year.

dreamsunwind

05-20-2018, 08:57 PM

That sounds crazy that Lindsey didn't know Sharon had been singing backup with FM, considering Lindsey himself performed with FM on their last show for Behind the Mask. He played guitar for Landslide and performed Go Your Own Way, so it's kind of hard to believe he didn't notice Sharon or the other backup singer.

Even if he noticed her at those shows, he may not have known she'd been touring full time with them for so long.

bwboy

05-20-2018, 09:08 PM

Even if he noticed her at those shows, he may not have known she'd been touring full time with them for so long.

Very true, and I certainly wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it. I simply expressed surprise that he supposedly said he didn't know Sharon had toured with FM, when he shared a stage with her while she was singing backup. Your point makes more sense, that maybe Lindsey just hadn't realized how long Sharon had been touring with them, not that he didn't see her on the night he performed with them.

elle

05-20-2018, 09:20 PM

LOL yeah, that's sick all right!

Lindsey was at the entire concert, so yeah, I'm surprised he didn't notice there were two backup singers. I mean, how could he miss them? Especially when he was on the stage performing Go Your Own Way with them?!?

I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan, you're a Lindsey fan.I

wow. apparently you consider being a Stevie fan is so bad that you decided to ascribe all kinds of non-existent hate to me. :shrug:

Want to piss off a Lindsey fan.....lie to them.

Want to piss off a Stevie fan.....tell them the truth.

elle

05-20-2018, 09:27 PM

That’s not to say I’m happy about what played out, but I don’t have control over it. I could be angry, but I already got over that last year.

you know, you seem to be more unhappy about it being called BuckVie than most of us are. i was really annoyed at first, as you know, but in the end, i thought it got their names out there a bit. it is possible that all the backlash now is there because his name was more in public eye last year, than it was with FM for a very long time now. so i'm kinda ambivalent about them calling it BuckVie.

although, better solution would have been to throw out SN at the end of 2016 when she said her definitive no to the album.

bwboy

05-20-2018, 09:53 PM

wow. apparently you consider being a Stevie fan is so bad that you decided to ascribe all kinds of non-existent hate to me. :shrug:

Well, you are posting on other threads that people shouldn't attend the upcoming FM tour and you are calling the band fakes. It is Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey, just like it was in 1987 when Lindsey left and Billy and Rick joined, and just like it was still Fleetwood Mac when Stevie and Rick left and Bekka and Dave joined. And again when Billy, Bekka, and Dave were fired and Lindsey and Stevie returned. And it was still Fleetwood Mac when Christine left. And it's Fleetwood Mac now with Lindsey gone and Mike and Neil there. Not to mention Peter Green, Bob Welch, Bob Weston, etc. So yes, it's quite obvious you don't like FM anymore. If I'm wrong, just say you like the band, while posting how happy you are tickets aren't selling out or laughing at other posters who paid top dollar for tickets only to have the prices drop later. I don't recall ANYONE laughing about the poor sales of some of the Buck/Vie dates, or how many of the seats were comped by the casinos they played at, but again, that's the difference between you and other posters here. Shrug all you like, your words are there for everyone to see.

secondhandchain

05-20-2018, 10:36 PM

Well, you are posting on other threads that people shouldn't attend the upcoming FM tour and you are calling the band fakes. It is Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey, just like it was in 1987 when Lindsey left and Billy and Rick joined, and just like it was still Fleetwood Mac when Stevie and Rick left and Bekka and Dave joined. And again when Billy, Bekka, and Dave were fired and Lindsey and Stevie returned. And it was still Fleetwood Mac when Christine left. And it's Fleetwood Mac now with Lindsey gone and Mike and Neil there. Not to mention Peter Green, Bob Welch, Bob Weston, etc. So yes, it's quite obvious you don't like FM anymore. If I'm wrong, just say you like the band, while posting how happy you are tickets aren't selling out or laughing at other posters who paid top dollar for tickets only to have the prices drop later. I don't recall ANYONE laughing about the poor sales of some of the Buck/Vie dates, or how many of the seats were comped by the casinos they played at, but again, that's the difference between you and other posters here. Shrug all you like, your words are there for everyone to see.

HE WAS FIRED! HUGE DIFFERENCE!! Plus this is a cash grab tour ONLY. We have a right to be mad. TOO BAD.

SteveMacD

05-20-2018, 10:45 PM

HE WAS FIRED!

So? People get fired. Danny Kirwan was fired. He was the creative mastermind at that point and was the only guitarist/songwriter/collaborator that was actually in the band with Peter Green. He got canned, and two albums later, they made one of their best albums ever.

HUGE DIFFERENCE!! Plus this is a cash grab tour ONLY. We have a right to be mad. TOO BAD.

Like it wasn’t going to be a cash grab tour, anyway?

Dr.Brown

05-20-2018, 10:47 PM

HE WAS FIRED! HUGE DIFFERENCE!! Plus this is a cash grab tour ONLY. We have a right to be mad. TOO BAD.

Exactly, the BuckVie album didn't involve backstabbing and included everyone in Fleetwood Mac, save one (most likely a member of the "faction" mentioned later by Lindsey) who chose not to record with them.

sasja

05-20-2018, 10:59 PM

So? People get fired. Danny Kirwan was fired. He was the creative mastermind at that point and was the only guitarist/songwriter/collaborator that was actually in the band with Peter Green. He got canned, and two albums later, they made one of their best albums ever.

Like it wasn’t going to be a cash grab tour, anyway?

I am not seeing Lindsey being impossible to work with due to alcohol and mental instability problems, though. Still waiting for a valid "excuse" from that bunch on why Lindsey Buckingham was fired. Also, I am seriously doubting there will ever be another FM album , let alone TWO :lol::]

And they ain't grabbing anymore of my cash, that's fer sure.

SteveMacD

05-20-2018, 11:43 PM

Like it wasn’t going to be a cash grab tour, anyway?

The rare quoting myself …

And that’s why I don’t have a problem with any of this. I want to hear the pre-1975 stuff. But, I don’t want Lindsey to do something so blatant as another cash grab. I expect more from him, but as a fan of the overall body of Fleetwood Mac’s work, I’m okay with this.

secondhandchain

05-21-2018, 12:50 AM

The rare quoting myself …

And that’s why I don’t have a problem with any of this. I want to hear the pre-1975 stuff. But, I don’t want Lindsey to do something so blatant as another cash grab. I expect more from him, but as a fan of the overall body of Fleetwood Mac’s work, I’m okay with this.

ummmm LB always wants to put out new music (hence not a cash grab tour IMO), but someone in the band ONLY wants to do cash grab tours. Lindsey was not happy with them being an oldies act I can tell you that.

Macfan4life

05-21-2018, 04:19 AM

button-lip

05-21-2018, 06:04 AM

I am not seeing Lindsey being impossible to work with due to alcohol and mental instability problems, though. Still waiting for a valid "excuse" from that bunch on why Lindsey Buckingham was fired.

Yep, I don’t think Lindsey was fired because he has a drinking problem or a mental illness. If that were the case... :rolleyes:

Big difference that I can’t believe still needs to be explained.

lovethemac1

05-21-2018, 07:28 AM

elle

05-21-2018, 08:25 AM

LOL It was me that focused on it first. I think bwboy was commenting on me ;)

Heh you are ruining my fun now! I didn’t find anything wrong with your post but couldn’t resist poking bwboy because I knew he’ll lash out in being called what he is - a Stevie fan. He always does, like a clockwork!

(Lol I’ll have to block him now so I don’t have to read insults he’s about to hurl at me next for this post. Happy Monday morning y’all!)

elle

05-21-2018, 08:26 AM

I agree!!! Why is it so hard for people who don’t see the difference, to accept that there is a difference this time around?

Because they don’t wanna see it?

Or because their favorite got her way so they have to justify it?

DownOnRodeo

05-21-2018, 08:26 AM

Also, I am seriously doubting there will ever be another FM album

Except for Warner's next "Rumours Classic Anniversary Super Reissue" in another ten years time--or sooner. Or maybe they'll get innovative and start issuing CDs commemorating the anniversaries of the reissues.

Dr.Brown

05-21-2018, 08:32 AM

Yep, I don’t think Lindsey was fired because he has a drinking problem or a mental illness. If that were the case... :rolleyes:

Big difference that I can’t believe still needs to be explained.

After reading some of the convoluted justifications for Lindsey's firing in this and other threads, I'm beginning to wonder if some of those defending it might have some sort of drinking problem or a mental illness themselves.:shrug:

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 09:16 AM

I am not seeing Lindsey being impossible to work with

Apparently Stevie disagrees.

Still waiting for a valid "excuse" from that bunch on why Lindsey Buckingham was fired.

What would you consider a valid excuse/reason? Seriously, what if they just said “we don’t want to work with him anymore” and that’s all the reason they gave?

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 09:20 AM

ummmm LB always wants to put out new music (hence not a cash grab tour IMO), but someone in the band ONLY wants to do cash grab tours. Lindsey was not happy with them being an oldies act I can tell you that.

Exactly. That’s why I’m happy that he won’t waste his creative energy on a cash grab tour AND I’m happy to hear a few pre-1975 songs. Win-win.

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 09:23 AM

Yep, I don’t think Lindsey was fired because he has a drinking problem or a mental illness. If that were the case... :rolleyes:

Big difference that I can’t believe still needs to be explained.

I agree!!! Why is it so hard for people who don’t see the difference, to accept that there is a difference this time around?

There are always differences in situations. But, a band can fire anyone the want for whatever reason they choose. It’s a rock band. They don’t need just cause.

sodascouts

05-21-2018, 09:54 AM

There are always differences in situations. But, a band can fire anyone the want for whatever reason they choose. It’s a rock band. They don’t need just cause.

That's true. Still, the band is pushing a narrative that all of this was very fair and aboveboard. I think most people here are simply reacting against that narrative.

HomerMcvie

05-21-2018, 09:59 AM

Heh you are ruining my fun now! I didn’t find anything wrong with your post but couldn’t resist poking bwboy because I knew he’ll lash out in being called what he is - a Stevie fan. He always does, like a clockwork!

(Lol I’ll have to block him now so I don’t have to read insults he’s about to hurl at me next for this post. Happy Monday morning y’all!)

Well he certainly is consistent in his pattern, if nothing else. And he and Buster apparently get free passes on personal attacks...

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 10:03 AM

That's true. Still, the band is pushing a narrative that all of this was very fair and aboveboard. I think most people here are simply reacting against that narrative.

I agree the narrative is lame, but their narratives have been lame since at least 1997. The current narrative isn’t any dumber than “It just felt like a duo album.”

bwboy

05-21-2018, 10:09 AM

LOL It was me that focused on it first. I think bwboy was commenting on me ;)

I was... and I definitely wasn't making a big deal about it, I genuinely was confused as how Lindsey didn't notice Sharon was on the stage with him, that's all.

aleuzzi

05-21-2018, 10:28 AM

From Musicares onward that would have been about 6 months. They could have recorded the lions share of an album in that time.
Oh, to think what could have been.

The remaining four members had lots of shopping to do.

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 10:45 AM

The remaining four members had lots of shopping to do.

The bags of money won’t spend themselves.

button-lip

05-21-2018, 11:58 AM

There are always differences in situations. But, a band can fire anyone the want for whatever reason they choose. It’s a rock band. They don’t need just cause.

Then why didn't they tell the truth in the first place? It could have been so easy. And yet....

sasja

05-21-2018, 02:37 PM

I am not seeing Lindsey being impossible to work with due to alcohol and mental instability problems, though. Still waiting for a valid "excuse" from that bunch on why Lindsey Buckingham was fired. Also, I am seriously doubting there will ever be another FM album , let alone TWO :lol::]

And they ain't grabbing anymore of my cash, that's fer sure.

See, I had said: I am not seeing Lindsey being impossible to work with due to alcohol and mental instability problems, though, which was then the given reason for the firing of Danny Kirwan.

Lindsey being impossible to work with according to Ms. Nicks is a reason to fire him, how? What is she, a kindergartner?
Apparently Stevie disagrees.

What would you consider a valid excuse/reason? Seriously, what if they just said “we don’t want to work with him anymore” and that’s all the reason they gave?

I would hope we do not live in such a callous world where from one day to the next your near and dear long time colleagues or friends or business partners and co-creators go" I don't want to work with you nemore, BYYYYEEE!"

If they come out with: " We cannot work with Mr. Buckingham anymore because: he should be in rehab due to his habitual 5 pints of Tequila a day/ his constant threatening us concrete bodily harm by bringing pistols to the studio and aiming them at us/he has a contagious skin disease and refuses to wear clothing/ ANYTHING valid!

Scheduling conflicts can always be worked out-- Mz. Nicks there sure has been the cause of such on plenty of occasions.
Just saying "cause we don't like you no more" smacks of two year olds.

There are always differences in situations. But, a band can fire anyone the want for whatever reason they choose. It’s a rock band. They don’t need just cause.

That kindergarten level of functioning also, imho, holds for your statement that "they are a rockband and can fire whomever for whatever reason they choose."

They are a Business. With people with 30-year or more, tenure, contracts, and commitment. They are not a playground random bunch who take the ball home.
BUT! Seems I am wrong, and really, that is EXACTLY what they are. :laugh::lol:

Hence! have fun with them, those who still want to, but do not come blame those of us who are stunned and deeply shocked by the level of immaturity displayed, I'd say.

bwboy

05-21-2018, 04:03 PM

If they come out with: " We cannot work with Mr. Buckingham anymore because: he should be in rehab due to his habitual 5 pints of Tequila a day/ his constant threatening us concrete bodily harm by bringing pistols to the studio and aiming them at us/he has a contagious skin disease and refuses to wear clothing/ ANYTHING valid!

That kindergarten level of functioning also, imho, holds for your statement that "they are a rockband and can fire whomever for whatever reason they choose."

I would be horrified if the band had released a statement like that, and I'm glad they didn't even intimate that there was any sort of problem like what you mentioned. There are some things we the public don't need to know because it's not our business, even though we really want to know what's going on. Besides, let's say FM had said "we can't work with Lindsey anymore because he drinks 5 pints of Tequila a day"- I highly doubt Lindsey would have confirmed their version and we would be right where we are now- arguing over or speculating why Lindsey was fired.

Sadly, people are fired all the time, be it a rock band or a hospital or a fast food joint, and anyone can be fired. Just because we don't know exactly what went down doesn't mean they didn't have a reason. If I had a problem with a co-worker, it's entirely possible one of us would be fired to resolve the situation. That's not unusual at all.

This post isn't my effort to change anybody's mind. It's my way of saying not everyone here feels the need to investigate and try to understand just what happened when, and watch videos and examine every word of an interview or compare timelines or look at social media of band members or reference events from 25 or 40 years ago. If the band as a whole could have worked it out, they would have. They didn't, and I really don't think the reason why matters, because the fans who are angry about his firing will never accept any explanation given. And the fans who are used to this merry go round that is FM just accept it and move on.

The Catdancer

05-21-2018, 06:53 PM

I would be horrified if the band had released a statement like that, and I'm glad they didn't even intimate that there was any sort of problem like what you mentioned. There are some things we the public don't need to know because it's not our business

Actually it is our business. Ad Sasja pointed out in an earlier post the band is a business, a corporation and we are share holders. I've invested heavily in this band for 41 years and many of us have. The excuses they have given us for firing Lindsey are NOT valid. Heck, they bald faced lied to us, keep spinning the story from "he wanted a wait a year" to "he didn't want to tour". When one of the CEO's of said corporation gets fired for no valid reason, we as share holders have a right to know what's true and what's not.

elle

05-21-2018, 07:03 PM

Lindsey being impossible to work with according to Ms. Nicks is a reason to fire him, how? What is she, a kindergartner?

I would hope we do not live in such a callous world where from one day to the next your near and dear long time colleagues or friends or business partners and co-creators go" I don't want to work with you nemore, BYYYYEEE!"

If they come out with: " We cannot work with Mr. Buckingham anymore because: he should be in rehab due to his habitual 5 pints of Tequila a day/ his constant threatening us concrete bodily harm by bringing pistols to the studio and aiming them at us/he has a contagious skin disease and refuses to wear clothing/ ANYTHING valid!

Scheduling conflicts can always be worked out-- Mz. Nicks there sure has been the cause of such on plenty of occasions.
Just saying "cause we don't like you no more" smacks of two year olds.

That kindergarten level of functioning also, imho, holds for your statement that "they are a rockband and can fire whomever for whatever reason they choose."

They are a Business. With people with 30-year or more, tenure, contracts, and commitment. They are not a playground random bunch who take the ball home.
BUT! Seems I am wrong, and really, that is EXACTLY what they are. :laugh::lol:

Hence! have fun with them, those who still want to, but do not come blame those of us who are stunned and deeply shocked by the level of immaturity displayed, I'd say.

such refreshing, funny and - imagine that! - actual reasonable thinking! i never met you but i love you!! :xoxo::wavey: your posts make my day. one good thing that came out of this whole mess is you coming back and being active again on this board!

dreamsunwind

05-21-2018, 07:17 PM

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 07:54 PM

Actually it is our business. Ad Sasja pointed out in an earlier post the band is a business, a corporation and we are share holders. I've invested heavily in this band for 41 years and many of us have. The excuses they have given us for firing Lindsey are NOT valid. Heck, they bald faced lied to us, keep spinning the story from "he wanted a wait a year" to "he didn't want to tour". When one of the CEO's of said corporation gets fired for no valid reason, we as share holders have a right to know what's true and what's not.

WTF are you talking about??? We’re not shareholders, we’re fans who voluntarily decided to follow a band, presumably because we liked their music. The band is under no obligation to any of us. You chose to spend money on what they were selling. That’s NOT an investment, that’s a simple transaction.

It’s a rock band. They get to decide who is in. Sorry you don’t like how they went about it. If I fault them for anything, it’s talking about it at all. They should have just said they parted ways with him for a number of reasons without getting into specifics.

Angel75

05-21-2018, 08:10 PM

I so agree with this. That's why I think the 'Stevie has a right to want to be happy' argument I've seen some people make is ridiculous. It's not just about Stevie and that's such a selfish thing to do. Push someone out of a group and affect SO many people all because you don't want the hassle? I'm sure both Lindsey and Stevie are far from perfect people and I doubt he thought she was a cup of tea to work with either, but I am about 500% positive that had he had the power to push her out of the band(which granted, he did not at all have that power), he wouldn't have done so.

Exactly, no matter how much she grates on him ...he never would have had her fired. Simply because he is LOYAL.....and respects their legacy

bombaysaffires

05-21-2018, 08:28 PM

WTF are you talking about??? We’re not shareholders, we’re fans who voluntarily decided to follow a band, presumably because we liked their music. The band is under no obligation to any of us. You chose to spend money on what they were selling. That’s NOT an investment, that’s a simple transaction.

It’s a rock band. They get to decide who is in. Sorry you don’t like how they went about it. If I fault them for anything, it’s talking about it at all. They should have just said they parted ways with him for a number of reasons without getting into specifics.

We are patrons... a patron is someone who supports an artist financially so they can pursue their art. Like the Medicis were the patrons of Michelangelo. The only thing we can't do that other patrons (e.g. of painters, composers etc) because of the nature of the business, is actually commission a work of art from them in the form of an album. People can, however, commission art from them in the form of a performance, and companies do this all the time-- how many corporate gigs a year does Stevie do? Far, far more than you know. Why? The money, because the performances themselves aren't providing anything new, just the bragging rights to the purchasers of having bought her to sing for them on demand.

So as patrons of their art over the years-- i.e. as the ones who bought so many albums which gave them the financial means and the clout to hold a record contract and make more albums in lush studios, banking on us buying the output which would reimburse the costs.....we definitely have a right to express opinions. And to vote with our future dollars.

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 08:40 PM

We are patrons...we definitely have a right to express opinions. And to vote with our future dollars.

Which is basically what I said. Patron is a stuffy way of saying customer of the arts.

They have a product and we voluntarily buy it, under zero obligation to do so.

But, that’s all it is. We’re not financially invested in them, we simply bought their product. I’m no more a shareholder of Fleetwood Mac than I am a McDonald’s because I sometimes get a Big Mac. We have no say in how they run their business, and we’re not owed anything by them.

elle

05-21-2018, 08:48 PM

We have no say in how they run their business, and we’re not owed anything by them.

and, we don't owe them anything. once when their product stopped being interesting to many of us, we stopped buying.

their product is interesting to you, so you'll be buying it.

simple.

Storms123

05-21-2018, 08:51 PM

There are roughly 10 people I work with on a regular basis who fail the 8-hour rule. It's work not camp! I'd love to "help them seek alternative means of employment" (fire is such an ugly word), but in the real world, that's just not feasible. Oh, I'd love to know the color of the sky in this bands world :)

Dr.Brown

05-21-2018, 09:03 PM

Which is basically what I said. Patron is a stuffy way of saying customer of the arts.

They have a product and we voluntarily buy it, under zero obligation to do so.

But, that’s all it is. We’re not financially invested in them, we simply bought their product. I’m no more a shareholder of Fleetwood Mac than I am a McDonald’s because I sometimes get a Big Mac. We have no say in how they run their business, and we’re not owed anything by them.

Exactly, and whenever I pay for my Mac I don't want to be handed Whoppers. :p

SteveMacD

05-21-2018, 09:12 PM

and, we don't owe them anything. once when their product stopped being interesting to many of us, we stopped buying.

Exactly. It’s completely voluntary on our part. Personally, I lost interest in them in 2006 and quit going to shows until 2014. The SNLB drama grated on me to no end.

their product is interesting to you, so you'll be buying it.

It’s compelling and has the potential to be interesting, and I will definitely be checking it out. Whether or not it is actually interesting remains to be seen.

secondhandchain

05-22-2018, 12:49 AM

Which is basically what I said. Patron is a stuffy way of saying customer of the arts.

They have a product and we voluntarily buy it, under zero obligation to do so.

But, that’s all it is. We’re not financially invested in them, we simply bought their product. I’m no more a shareholder of Fleetwood Mac than I am a McDonald’s because I sometimes get a Big Mac. We have no say in how they run their business, and we’re not owed anything by them.

This is not the same thing as buying a Big Mac. Are we owed anything by them? No not really, but if they really cared about the fans like they say and were decent people, what we feel would matter, just a little.

Macfan4life

05-22-2018, 05:14 AM

dreamsunwind

05-22-2018, 01:09 PM

The biggest story from the interview is what no one is discussing IMHO. The part where Sharon states Stevie always promised her to bring her into Fleetwood Mac many years before Stevie's solo career. I wonder if Stevie asked the band at the time and they said no or Stevie just kept it to yourself until the timing was right (Lindsey left).

I can imagine it probably would've been complicated trying to convince a group that's supposed to be a rock band to welcome her girl backup singers. Especially because they all knew Sharon and Lori weren't just any singers, they were part of Stevie's entourage. Lindsey leaving was a huge thing and switch up so it makes sense that's when she would've best gotten the chance to do it. But Christine definitely wasn't too thrilled at first, I read where she said that she doesn't care where they stand onstage as long as she can't see them :laugh:

secondhandchain

05-22-2018, 01:24 PM

I knew the back up singers was the nasal tambourine b/witches idea.

bwboy

05-22-2018, 02:09 PM

I knew the back up singers was the nasal tambourine b/witches idea.

And Lindsey was fine with it from 1996-2014. And for his tour with Christine, they used recorded backing vocals to save money. So what's the big deal? :shrug: I mean, really, what difference does it make?

Neal

05-22-2018, 05:54 PM

bwboy

05-22-2018, 06:18 PM

During the early planning stages of the Tango tour, I thought Lindsey was the one who wanted to add more musicians to the stage in the first place?

Maybe backup singers weren't part of that plan. And if they were, it's probably a safe bet he didn't want Stevie's... :sorry:

Funny you should mention that... I also remember an interview with Mick where he said Lindsey had asked for changes from their previous tours, such as back up singers, and the band had no problem granting his requests if it would help convince him to tour. After Lindsey backed out, Mick said they kept the changes Lindsey had requested, including the backup singers. I think it was a magazine called Q or something like that, and it was back in 1987 or 1988. That was one of the reasons the band was surprised Lindsey backed out of the tour, because they had actually progressed beyond just talking about touring and made plans for a short tour, I think 2 months.