Sheryl Crow

[secret love]

Doesn't Sheryl Crow look appealing now that we've got Neil Finn and Mike Campbell instead?
Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow (pre Christine)
OR
Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow OR Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow and Neil Finn (post Buckingham split)
Do you think they even considered bringing in a female? It didn't have to be Sheryl Crow if they did but equality would have been nice - three men and three women - and with Neil (piano) and Sheryl (guitar, bass, piano) it's two for one, they sing and they play an instrument!

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Bet Stevie plays this while she's having fun dancing around her apartment!

[Kyle]

Doesn't Sheryl Crow look appealing now that we've got Neil Finn and Mike Campbell instead?
Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow (pre Christine)
OR
Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow OR Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow and Neil Finn (post Buckingham split)
Do you think they even considered bringing in a female? It didn't have to be Sheryl Crow if they did but equality would have been nice - three men and three women - and with Neil (piano) and Sheryl (guitar, bass, piano) it's two for one, they sing and they play an instrument!

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Bet Stevie plays this while she's having fun dancing around her apartment!

I think Sheryl Crow would be a great addition to the current line up. Susanna Hoffs would also be interesting.

[secret love]

I think Sheryl Crow would be a great addition to the current line up. Susanna Hoffs would also be interesting.
Watch this:
https://www.stereogum.com/1784616/watch-the-bangles-susanna-hoffs-sing-eternal-flame-at-a-karaoke-bar/video/
I think Susanna's voice is closer to Stevie's, whereas Sheryl's is a little different, but I believe all three are contraltos.
Seriously though, if you have to bring in two new people, shouldn't one be a woman?

[Kyle]

Watch this:
https://www.stereogum.com/1784616/watch-the-bangles-susanna-hoffs-sing-eternal-flame-at-a-karaoke-bar/video/
I think Susanna's voice is closer to Stevie's, whereas Sheryl's is a little different, but I believe all three are contraltos.
Seriously though, if you have to bring in two new people, shouldn't one be a woman?

I think Sheryl Crow should definitely be brought it. This is, most likely, a farewell tour. Why not go out with a bang?

I would absolutely detest "Eternal Flame" if anyone other than Susanna Hoffs sang it. I would love seeing Susanna join FM, but my first choice would definitely be Sheryl Crow.

[ryan4136]

I think a Buckingham/Crow album would be great. Maybe a remake of Cryin in the Night

[gldstwmn]

If some are to be believed then this could actually happen. :shrug:

[dreamsunwind]

If the rumours about Christine are true then this might actually happen LMAO.

[dreamsunwind]

If some are to be believed then this could actually happen. :shrug:

I was thinking the same thing :laugh:
No Lindsey to say "absolutely not" and possibly no Christine either :laugh:

[jwd]

Bring in a few more people and they could call it Mick's All Star Band, ala Ringo.....

[Kyle]

How about Shania Twain? My first choice is still Sheryl Crow.

Lindsey who?

[Kyle]

If I recall correctly, Mick saw Sheryl Crow performing in a bar in the early 90's. He asked her go join him at his table. He told her that she reminded him of Stevie Nicks. Imagine how history might have changed, if Mick had asked Sheryl to join Fleetwood Mac.

[Storms123]

Bring in a few more people and they could call it Mick's All Star Band, ala Ringo.....

Why don't they just get all of the people who sang at the Musicares event, leave Mick, John, Stevie, Chris and the ringers home, and call it Fleetwood Mac. Clearly from Mick's perspective, it's the songs that make the band not the people who sing them. I am sure people would LOVE to hear Lorde slay the hell out of "Silver Springs" again.:D

[Kyle]

Why don't they just get all of the people who sang at the Musicares event, leave Mick, John, Stevie, Chris and the ringers home, and call it Fleetwood Mac. Clearly from Mick's perspective, it's the songs that make the band not the people who sing them. I am sure people would LOVE to hear Lorde slay the hell out of "Silver Springs" again.:D

Or, we could just get all the people from FM, who don't beat women, together and call it Fleetwood Mac. Oh wait. We've already done that. Problem solved.

[jwd]

Why don't they just get all of the people who sang at the Musicares event, leave Mick, John, Stevie, Chris and the ringers home, and call it Fleetwood Mac. Clearly from Mick's perspective, it's the songs that make the band not the people who sing them. I am sure people would LOVE to hear Lorde slay the hell out of "Silver Springs" again.:D

I think Mick and Stevie had a secret deal with Harry Styles. They ditched Lindsey and then Harry ditched them. Oh the karma of it all.

[Storms123]

Or, we could just get all the people from FM, who don't beat women, together and call it Fleetwood Mac. Oh wait. We've already done that. Problem solved.

Wow, was that really necessary. Off base

[Storms123]

I think Mick and Stevie had a secret deal with Harry Styles. They ditched Lindsey and then Harry ditched them. Oh the karma of it all.

You know--it's really funny you say that....Maybe not so far fetched.

[elle]

You know--it's really funny you say that....Maybe not so far fetched.

except Harry can fill stadiums solo. i'm sure his management (Azoff) would not let him waste that pulling power on FM. :wavey:

[Storms123]

except Harry can fill stadiums solo. i'm sure his management (Azoff) would not let him waste that pulling power on FM. :wavey:

Wow--didn't realize Azoff managed him too---explains even more now :)

[jwd]

except Harry can fill stadiums solo. i'm sure his management (Azoff) would not let him waste that pulling power on FM. :wavey:

Ha, I didn't know that. What a coincidence! Yeah, I'm sure all the crazy, fanatical, screaming teenage girls wouldn't want to see Mick and his drooping balls...... :D

[Fannymac]

If the rumours about Christine are true then this might actually happen LMAO.

What rumors about Christine??

[dreamsunwind]

What rumors about Christine??

People on Stevie Nicks Facebook groups are arguing about it. Someone with 'sources' is claiming that their sources told them Christine is backing away and on her way out. Someone else with 'sources' is saying that's not true. Others are saying she's trying, etc.

[dreamsunwind]

Wow, was that really necessary. Off base

Always completely unnecessary, inappropriate and disrespectful to the seriousness of such topics.

[Storms123]

Always completely unnecessary, inappropriate and disrespectful to the seriousness of such topics.

And my comment wasn't even that "serious" which I was all the more perplexed. Oh well--to each is own :)

[gldstwmn]

What rumors about Christine??

There was a blind item on a gossip site suggesting that Chris was getting ready to make her exit.

[Kyle]

Wow, was that really necessary. Off base

How is that off base? They fired the man who beats women. There is a little bit of justice in the world. Shouldn't everyone be happy?

[dreamsunwind]

How is that off base? They fired the man who beats women. There is a little bit of justice in the world. Shouldn't everyone be happy?

The fact that you think band politics of decades later serves as a "justice" for domestic violence is appalling and disturbing.
And if that's your logic, then there's a bit of trouble considering that John's still in the band. Even though he, ya know, chased Christine down with an axe :angel:

[Storms123]

The fact that you think band politics of decades later serves as a "justice" for domestic violence is appalling and disturbing.
And if that's your logic, then there's a bit of trouble considering that John's still in the band. Even though he, ya know, chased Christine down with an axe :angel:

Totally agree dreamsunwind, and furthermore Stevie went after Lindsey--she even admits it, actually said she was going to "kill him" and actually defended Lindsey after one of Mick's many fairy tails was published and highlighted one of the incidents that is oft referred to here. . Based upon your assessment, most of this band should be thrown out....so yes, I would say you are way off base here.

[Kyle]

Totally agree dreamsunwind, and furthermore Stevie went after Lindsey--she even admits it, actually said she was going to "kill him" and actually defended Lindsey after one of Mick's many fairy tails was published and highlighted one of the incidents that is oft referred to here. . Based upon your assessment, most of this band should be thrown out....so yes, I would say you are way off base here.

I'm not talking about Stevie's fantasies. I'm referring to Carol Ann Harris and the waitress Lindsey beat up in Ken Caillat's book.

In his blog, Ken Caillat says that he saw Lindsey rough up several women.

I suppose your crush on Lindsey is more important than the women he brutalized.

[Storms123]

I'm not talking about Stevie's fantasies. I'm referring to Carol Ann Harris and the waitress Lindsey beat up in Ken Caillat's book.

In his blog, Ken Caillat says that he saw Lindsey rough up several women.

I suppose your crush on Lindsey is more important than the women he brutalized.

Wow, and once again, you are off base. Go look through some of my other posts. I am pretty clear that I am a fan of the band. How condescending and myopic of you to imply a "crush" blinding my views. My views are not blinded at all. The band...all of them misstepped here. We can all debate, why, what happened...., but at the end of the day, these 5 people came undone. I am a fan of these 5 people together as a cohesive unit making music. End of it.

[dreamsunwind]

I'm not talking about Stevie's fantasies. I'm referring to Carol Ann Harris and the waitress Lindsey beat up in Ken Caillat's book.

In his blog, Ken Caillat says that he saw Lindsey rough up several women.

I suppose your crush on Lindsey is more important than the women he brutalized.

You're assuming that someone thinking your comments are inappropriate means they have a crush on Lindsey? Lol. If you cared about the treatment of women you wouldn't toss the situation around as if it's a bargaining chip in the ridiculous dramatics of bitching band members decades later.
And it doesn't matter who you're referring to. Everyone here knows the stories about Lindsey, it's not a secret to anyone. I talked about this before in a post recently and I don't want to regurgitate it, but to sum things up: Lindsey's behavior back then should never be condoned if you want to dislike him because of it that's perfectly fine.
But this argument that some people on here keep making that "Lindsey did this!" --therefore he's pure evil and thus what's gone on here, with very questionable behavior from the other band members, it all doesn't matter because he did that--- is absolutely ridiculous for a number of factors. The first being that the 70s and 80s are basically a different universe from the one we are currently living in. Lindsey has been married for almost 20 years and has 3 kids, John has also seemingly long since sorted out his alcohol problems, Stevie has handled her addictions, Mick is no longer a complete trainwreck, etc. There's also the fact that Lindsey was likely not the only band member who exhibited such behavior, so if you think someone deserves to be fired for that decades later, then why is John McVie still in the band? And those who make this argument conveniently only seem to care about Lindsey's behavior in this current situation, when they're trying to somehow justify what's happened. It certainly didn't bother you enough to stop you from listening to their music, presumably buying their music, going to their concerts etc.
You can think whatever you want about Lindsey, that's completely fine. But do not conveniently toss around domestic violence as if it's just some claim you can casually make when arguing about bitchy band members. That is a disrespect to the seriousness of the topic and people who have suffered it.

[louielouie2000]

I'm not talking about Stevie's fantasies. I'm referring to Carol Ann Harris and the waitress Lindsey beat up in Ken Caillat's book.

In his blog, Ken Caillat says that he saw Lindsey rough up several women.

I suppose your crush on Lindsey is more important than the women he brutalized.

Let’s not pretend Stevie was morally pure during her drug fueled height, either. She forced an assistant to take the drugs she was sure were killing her. She carried on several affairs with married men. She had 4 abortions. She did so much cocaine it nearly caused her to have a brain aneurism; so she had someone administer her fix anally. She’s pushed away everyone from her early days of fame who helped her get to where she is- several died penniless and broken such as Judy Wong, Herbert Worthington, and Bob Welch. I’m not even going to bring up the Kim Anderson thing, because that could be just grief... though I have my doubts.

My point being, instant fame, fortune, and hardcore drugs made everyone in the band behave poorly. Another thing to consider is so many of the accusations against everyone in the band are pretty much impossible to prove, too. So for any of us to judge them on alleged accusations from 4 decades ago seems a little ridiculous.

Oh, and nobody can accuse me of being a blind Lindsey fanboy, either. Stevie has ALWAYS been my fav band member. I’ve just found her behavior over the past 10 years so appalling that I can’t stand her anymore.

[iamnotafraid]

Or, we could just get all the people from FM, who don't beat women, together and call it Fleetwood Mac. that...

My question is if Lindsey beat a woman in a forest
and no one was around to see it, then did it really
happen?

[HomerMcvie]

Let’s not pretend Stevie was morally pure during her drug fueled height, either. She forced an assistant to take the drugs she was sure were killing her. She carried on several affairs with married men. She had 4 abortions. She did so much cocaine it nearly caused her to have a brain aneurism; so she had someone administer her fix anally. She’s pushed away everyone from her early days of fame who helped her get to where she is- several died penniless and broken such as Judy Wong, Herbert Worthington, and Bob Welch. I’m not even going to bring up the Kim Anderson thing, because that could be just grief... though I have my doubts.

My point being, instant fame, fortune, and hardcore drugs made everyone in the band behave poorly. Another thing to consider is so many of the accusations against everyone in the band are pretty much impossible to prove, too. So for any of us to judge them on alleged accusations from 4 decades ago seems a little ridiculous.

Oh, and nobody can accuse me of being a blind Lindsey fanboy, either. Stevie has ALWAYS been my fav band member. I’ve just found her behavior over the past 10 years so appalling that I can’t stand her anymore.
FOUR abortions? Wow, I only knew about one. So she's more than a baby killer. She's a serial baby murderer!:eek:

I always hated that she murdered Don Henley's baby. That could have been one beautiful child, with both their DNA!

[mitzo]

FOUR abortions? Wow, I only knew about one. So she's more than a baby killer. She's a serial baby murderer!:eek:

I always hated that she murdered Don Henley's baby. That could have been one beautiful child, with both their DNA!

We have officially hit rock bottom here. WTF.

[dontlookdown]

Doesn't Sheryl Crow look appealing now that we've got Neil Finn and Mike Campbell instead?
Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow (pre Christine)
OR
Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow OR Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow and Neil Finn (post Buckingham split)
Do you think they even considered bringing in a female? It didn't have to be Sheryl Crow if they did but equality would have been nice - three men and three women - and with Neil (piano) and Sheryl (guitar, bass, piano) it's two for one, they sing and they play an instrument!

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Bet Stevie plays this while she's having fun dancing around her apartment!

No, No with a dash of No on top. Garnished with a twist of No.
Sheryl Crow is great at what she does, but FM is in a whole different league.
Her singing is average and often shrill and her writing is mediocre and often rote.
Musically she’s about as derivative as one could be.

I’m not sure I know of a greater guitar player (for a big white mainstream rock act) than Mike Campbell. And he’s a superb songwriter.

[dontlookdown]

Let’s not pretend Stevie was morally pure during her drug fueled height, either. She forced an assistant to take the drugs she was sure were killing her. She carried on several affairs with married men. She had 4 abortions. She did so much cocaine it nearly caused her to have a brain aneurism; so she had someone administer her fix anally. She’s pushed away everyone from her early days of fame who helped her get to where she is- several died penniless and broken such as Judy Wong, Herbert Worthington, and Bob Welch. I’m not even going to bring up the Kim Anderson thing, because that could be just grief... though I have my doubts.

My point being, instant fame, fortune, and hardcore drugs made everyone in the band behave poorly. Another thing to consider is so many of the accusations against everyone in the band are pretty much impossible to prove, too. So for any of us to judge them on alleged accusations from 4 decades ago seems a little ridiculous.

Oh, and nobody can accuse me of being a blind Lindsey fanboy, either. Stevie has ALWAYS been my fav band member. I’ve just found her behavior over the past 10 years so appalling that I can’t stand her anymore.


Ew. I think I’m done here too.
If anyone has some FM boards/sites that aren’t populated with creepy national enquirer-reading conservatives, let me know.
I’m out.

Peace.

[louielouie2000]

Ew. I think I’m done here too.
If anyone has some FM boards/sites that aren’t populated with creepy national enquirer-reading conservatives, let me know.
I’m out.

Peace.

Trust me, I’m as liberal as they come. I’m just saying if people are going to egg Lindsey for his behavior 3 decades ago, let’s not pretend Stevie was any angel, either. I couldn’t give a damn what any of them did back in the day... I just care what they’ve done to the band’s legacy this century.

[bwboy]

Ew. I think I’m done here too.
If anyone has some FM boards/sites that aren’t populated with creepy national enquirer-reading conservatives, let me know.
I’m out.

Peace.

Yeah, me too. Abortions, drug abuse, Hitler- no, not talking about the band, I'm talking about Homer McVie. Count on Homer McVie to randomly throw out the fact that Stevie had abortions and how that makes her a murderer. Of course Homer hates Stevie more than Hitler, so I guess he hates Jews. Oh, that's right, he's joking. Well, he can say things like that without being banned. Homer hates Stevie more than Hitler. He said it, and it's ok because he doesn't say that about other posters. See, here at the Ledge, name calling is ok if it's directed at the band members, it's just not ok if it's directed at other posters. So it's ok for Homer to talk about how abortion is murder. I've heard rumours that Stevie has had lesbian affairs. Tell us, Homer, does that make Stevie a sinner for having lesbian sex? Is Stevie going to hell for killing her baby, Homer? I guess you think all women who have abortions are murderers, Homer, including women here on the Ledge? Homer, please continue to tell us what's moral, please.

[HomerMcvie]

You would probably never guess it, but I'm 100% pro choice.

Abortion is a very hot button issue for many people, fan or not, so what's wrong with pointing out the facts? And I had no idea she'd had more than one abortion. But if I bring facts to the table, be able to accept it, whether you like it or not.

And the Hitler thing was a joke, so get over it. And yourself, bw.

[button-lip]

Trust me, I’m as liberal as they come. I’m just saying if people are going to egg Lindsey for his behavior 3 decades ago, let’s not pretend Stevie was any angel, either. I couldn’t give a damn what any of them did back in the day... I just care what they’ve done to the band’s legacy this century.

Please, it’s ok to talk about Lindsey’s abusive past and to include his daughters in the convo, but don’t touch sweet Stevie, whose four little angel babies were miraculously taken away from her by the sinister stork who wanted them back.

I’m out of here. :laugh::laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Please, it’s ok to talk about Lindsey’s abusive past and to include his daughters in the convo, but don’t touch sweet Stevie, whose four little angel babies were miraculously taken away from her by the sinister stork who wanted them back.

I’m out of here. :laugh::laugh:
god I love you!!:xoxo: :xoxo::xoxo:

[Dr.Brown]

Not trying to stir up more of a hornet's nest but this is a quote from Stevie herself, indicating her mindset back in the late 80s:

"Rooms on Fire is about me. Rooms on Fire is about ~ um ~ a girl who is a rock'n'roll star who has pretty much accepted the fact that she will never ever be able to be married or have those children that she wanted or the husband that she wanted or that deep, deep love that she wanted and she's accepted it."

More here:
http://www.inherownwords.com/rooms.htm

Now that what she had spoken about has come to pass, I'm sure this has been a major sore spot for her whenever she'd think about Lindsey and his family. Having Lindsey kicked out of the band may have been a conscious (or unconscious) way for her to deal with the situation.

[ryan4136]

Want to piss off a Lindsey fan.....lie to them.

Want to piss off a Stevie fan.....tell them the truth.

[iamnotafraid]

Ew. I think I’m done here too.

I’m out.

Peace.

Goodbye...

[HomerMcvie]

Want to piss off a Lindsey fan.....lie to them.

Want to piss off a Stevie fan.....tell them the truth.

Truest words ever written here.

[Storms123]

Want to piss off a Lindsey fan.....lie to them.

Want to piss off a Stevie fan.....tell them the truth.

Well--you hit the nail on the head!

[bwboy]

Want to piss off a Lindsey fan.....lie to them.

Want to piss off a Stevie fan.....tell them the truth.

No... it's someone saying abortion is murder that crosses the line. Or liking Hitler more than Stevie. But again, if people want to talk about murdering innocent babies on Fleetwood Mac thread, let's do it. Ryan, do you think Stevie is going to hell for murdering babies? Is it awkward that you like her music, knowing she's murdered babies? Does it interfere with your love of FM's music, knowing they recorded music with her after she killed some babies?

Tell Stevie fans the truth.

See, I thought this forum was to talk about the music of FM in a place where we could celebrate our love for them without being ridiculed by people in the real world who may not like the band. Obviously, some people, like Homer, would rather talk about Stevie murdering babies in a FM forum on a thread titled "Sheryl Crow." You don't think that's inappropriate? Great, then tell us all what you think about abortion. Is it murder? A woman's choice? Oh wait it has to be about a band member, sorry about that! Do you think abortion was Stevie's choice, or was she committing murder?

Piss off a Lindsey fan? Why would I want to? Why would anyone want to piss anyone else off here? Want to talk about Stevie killing/murdering babies? How about starting a new thread, called "Stevie murders babies." That way, all of you who want to talk about abortions can do so, especially the Lindsey fans who are so upset about his firing that they're bringing Hitler and abortion into a subject about someone being fired from a band LOL!

[bwboy]

Well--you hit the nail on the head!

Storms123, do you think Stevie is a murderer for having abortions? Any thoughts about whether she's really a lesbian? I mean, you don't mind talking about these subjects, right? He hit the nail on the head- Stevie fans can't handle the truth, that's what you mean, right? So clearly you feel it's ok to talk about abortion on this board. Great, let's do it. Or, you could have said, well, maybe abortion is not relevant to the thread called "Sheryl Crow." But no, you said "you hit the nail on the head!"

Not to change the subject, but someone previously mentioned hating Stevie more than Hitler. Now, I consider the burning and gassing of millions of people in the Holocaust to be a truly horrible thing. A lot of Jewish peiple, as well as Catholics and homosexuals, were also murdered in the Holocaust. I don't know, Stevie killed 4 babies, I think. I just don't see how Homer McVie could hate her more than Hitler, who killed millions.

What are your thoughts, Storms123? Did I hit the nail on the head? LOL. Should we keep the talk going about abortion being murder, as committed by Stevie? Or should we drop it because it's inappropriate?

[button-lip]

Want to piss off a Lindsey fan.....lie to them.

Want to piss off a Stevie fan.....tell them the truth.

True. Poor, poor Stevie! But hey, let’s bring Lindsey’s daughters every time we talk about Lindsey and his abusive past. Because it doesn’t matter. All that matters is poor Stevie and the choices SHE made.

[elle]

Want to piss off a Lindsey fan.....lie to them.

Want to piss off a Stevie fan.....tell them the truth.

how true! :thumbsup::wavey:

[SteveMacD]

Please, it’s ok to talk about Lindsey’s abusive past and to include his daughters in the convo, but don’t touch sweet Stevie, whose four little angel babies were miraculously taken away from her by the sinister stork who wanted them back.

Exactly. The double standard has gotten a bit out of hand. They’re rock musicians, not saints or role models. Both Stevie and Lindsey are far removed from who they were DECADES ago. And, I suspect that’s part of the problem today.

[Storms123]

Storms123, do you think Stevie is a murderer for having abortions? Any thoughts about whether she's really a lesbian? I mean, you don't mind talking about these subjects, right? He hit the nail on the head- Stevie fans can't handle the truth, that's what you mean, right? So clearly you feel it's ok to talk about abortion on this board. Great, let's do it. Or, you could have said, well, maybe abortion is not relevant to the thread called "Sheryl Crow." But no, you said "you hit the nail on the head!"

Not to change the subject, but someone previously mentioned hating Stevie more than Hitler. Now, I consider the burning and gassing of millions of people in the Holocaust to be a truly horrible thing. A lot of Jewish peiple, as well as Catholics and homosexuals, were also murdered in the Holocaust. I don't know, Stevie killed 4 babies, I think. I just don't see how Homer McVie could hate her more than Hitler, who killed millions.

What are your thoughts, Storms123? Did I hit the nail on the head? LOL. Should we keep the talk going about abortion being murder, as committed by Stevie? Or should we drop it because it's inappropriate?

Why am I specifically getting dragged into the "social commentary" debate on this thread? Have I specifically said something that warrants me getting called out here.

[iamnotafraid]

Have I specifically said something that warrants me getting called out here.

True or not, it's probably all your talk about Hitler.

Btw, with Hitler the more I learn about that guy
the more I don't care for him.

[dreamsunwind]

This thread has gotten really out of hand...
Everyone should stop talking about abortions and Hitler. These aren't just things you can throw around in conversation. Talk about the bitching band members all you want but I think it's best to keep it within the scope of just that-- bitching band members. Attacks on their personal lives and bizarre comparisons to genocidal figures are not remotely necessary

[SteveMacD]

This thread has gotten really out of hand...
Everyone should stop talking about abortions and Hitler.

But, it’s still okay to talk about domestic violence?

[dreamsunwind]

But, it’s still okay to talk about domestic violence?

No it's not...I was the one that kept telling people to stop throwing claims about that around...

[Storms123]

True or not, it's probably all your talk about Hitler.

Btw, with Hitler the more I learn about that guy
the more I don't care for him.

I've not mentioned Hitler once (until this post).

[jmn3]

Hitler. Lesbians. Abortions. What the F happened in this thread!? Damn you Sheryl Crow!! :D

My take: I thought Sheryl Crow “replacing” Chris would’ve been a poor idea and served no purpose outside of making Stevie “comfortable” with another woman in the band. And unless Stevie and Sheryl were lesbianing together and aborting their love children, I don’t know how we got here.

On the other related topics that have come up...
- OBVIOUSLY the “I hate her more than Hitler” remark wasn’t meant to be taken literally. For 75+ years, Hitler (for obvious reasons) has been used by most of the World to invoke a comparison to one of the most vile human beings in recent memory. It certainly doesn’t compare Stevie’s life to Hitler’s nor does it serve to justify killing millions of Jews and other. FFS everyone needs to settle the hell down and stop being so sensitive to every friggin remark.

- Can we all agree that the people in this band are all human and haven’t exactly been paragons of virtue? Lindsey has demons in his past, but he’s not alone. Stevie’s on record as saying she got physically violent with Lindsey. Johns record isn’t clean there either. And they ALL have done their fair share of emotionally abusive antics to each other and others in their lives.

[WatchChain]

Sheryl Crow, Michael Campbell, and Neil Finn are all GREAT musicians. This is no disrespect to their musical ability. However, they have no place in Fleetwood Mac. The band is about chemistry.

[jmn3]

Sheryl Crow, Michael Campbell, and Neil Finn are all GREAT musicians. This is no disrespect to their musical ability. However, they have no place in Fleetwood Mac. The band is about chemistry.

Well said! My sentiments exactly.

[sasja]

See, I thought this forum was to talk about the music of FM in a place where we could celebrate our love for them without being ridiculed by people in the real world who may not like the band. \


Our love needn't be blind and gullible. I love people in my personal life dearly, and because of that, I call them out on bad behavior or choices. If I were indifferent I would not give a holy hoopla.

Well, alright, :lol: I will admit my love for this band has waned a lot over the past 20 years, but out of nostalgia I still care a bit, and feel all the right in the world to criticize them on the disgusting and seemingly unjustified move of firing Lindsey. People like us gave them their money and luxury over the past 40 years, so consider me a minor share holder, pissed off and wanting a vote on a new CEO. I feel I am in my complete right to vent that here.

Also, I am selling what shares I had left, anyone want them? :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

Sheryl Crow, Michael Campbell, and Neil Finn are all GREAT musicians. This is no disrespect to their musical ability. However, they have no place in Fleetwood Mac. The band is about chemistry.

Exactly. Thank you.

[gldstwmn]

True or not, it's probably all your talk about Hitler.

Btw, with Hitler the more I learn about that guy
the more I don't care for him.

He's definitely a covfefe.

[SteveMacD]

Sheryl Crow, Michael Campbell, and Neil Finn are all GREAT musicians. This is no disrespect to their musical ability. However, they have no place in Fleetwood Mac. The band is about chemistry.

Which was completely flat over the last few gigs. Two high dollar flat/not really even going through the motions gigs, Lindsey’s unfortunate grab the money and run comment on XM Radio, a concurrent/delayed tour, Mick wanting to do older songs, TP’s death, and who knows what else all probably contributed to this. I doubt it was just one thing, and if it were, it would be money. We’ll likely never know the full story.

[jwd]

"Sheryl Crow" sure knows how to stir the **** up in this place. :laugh:

[bwboy]

Our love needn't be blind and gullible. I love people in my personal life dearly, and because of that, I call them out on bad behavior or choices. If I were indifferent I would not give a holy hoopla.

Well, alright, :lol: I will admit my love for this band has waned a lot over the past 20 years, but out of nostalgia I still care a bit, and feel all the right in the world to criticize them on the disgusting and seemingly unjustified move of firing Lindsey. People like us gave them their money and luxury over the past 40 years, so consider me a minor share holder, pissed off and wanting a vote on a new CEO. I feel I am in my complete right to vent that here.

Also, I am selling what shares I had left, anyone want them? :thumbsup:

I understand completely what you're saying. My post was geared toward people who were bringing up 40 year stories about some of the members that, while possibly true, were unnecessary on this thread.

[dreamsunwind]

"Sheryl Crow" sure knows how to stir the **** up in this place. :laugh:

Lol seriously right? This thread went off the rails.

[elle]

Lol seriously right? This thread went off the rails.

this thread went off the rails, and instead of leaving all the 30-40yr old stuff here, people keep bringing the same stuff in other threads yet again. and circle continues. Anger McAbuser vs Goat Coke van Butt or whatever they are going off on.

[bombaysaffires]

this thread went off the rails, and instead of leaving all the 30-40yr old stuff here, people keep bringing the same stuff in other threads yet again. and circle continues. Anger McAbuser vs Goat Coke van Butt or whatever they are going off on.

:laugh: :laugh:

[jmn3]

this thread went off the rails, and instead of leaving all the 30-40yr old stuff here, people keep bringing the same stuff in other threads yet again. and circle continues. Anger McAbuser vs Goat Coke van Butt or whatever they are going off on.

Now come on elle, get it right...it was Anger Mc’Buser. By far my most clever nickname of the day. I was sitting in my office eating lunch and cracking up...at my own joke. ;)

Goat Coke van Butt...:laugh:

[elle]

Now come on elle, get it right...it was Anger Mc’Buser. By far my most clever nickname of the day. I was sitting in my office eating lunch and cracking up...at my own joke. ;)

Goat Coke van Butt...:laugh:

my sincerest apologies! :wavey:

hey we gotta have some fun!

[ryan4136]

Hell, they can fire Neil now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5m5MGjAJAQ

[HomerMcvie]

Hell, they can fire Neil now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5m5MGjAJAQ

I hope she wouldn't have to read those well known words, live.

[iamnotafraid]

I've not mentioned Hitler once.


Again with the Hitler?

[Macfan4life]

I hope she wouldn't have to read those well known words, live.
Ha ha
I think Sheryl is talented but her music is so bland IMHO. That was a performance of Go Your Own Way that anyone could have done. Just pull 5 random guys/gals with acoustic guitars. Its that kind of blandness that harpooned Stevie's Trouble in Shangri La. No guitar solos. No clever bridges. All the songs have the same tempo and sound like demos for someone to produce.

[dreamsunwind]

Ha ha
I think Sheryl is talented but her music is so bland IMHO. That was a performance of Go Your Own Way that anyone could have done. Just pull 5 random guys/gals with acoustic guitars. Its that kind of blandness that harpooned Stevie's Trouble in Shangri La. No guitar solos. No clever bridges. All the songs have the same tempo and sound like demos for someone to produce.

I saw that cover too. It was sooooo boring. And IA about TISL. One of my least favorite Stevie albums for that reason. The sound was just so unoriginal. I never understood Stevie's obsession with Sheryl. Or any of the artists that she likes tbh (except HAIM). They're all so bland.

[SteveMacD]

I saw that cover too. It was sooooo boring. And IA about TISL. One of my least favorite Stevie albums for that reason. The sound was just so unoriginal. I never understood Stevie's obsession with Sheryl. Or any of the artists that she likes tbh (except HAIM). They're all so bland.

Stevie is into flavor of the week. When was the last time we heard from Bruce Hornsby or Kenny G?

[jmn3]

Ha ha
I think Sheryl is talented but her music is so bland IMHO. That was a performance of Go Your Own Way that anyone could have done. Just pull 5 random guys/gals with acoustic guitars. Its that kind of blandness that harpooned Stevie's Trouble in Shangri La. No guitar solos. No clever bridges. All the songs have the same tempo and sound like demos for someone to produce.

I was once on a first date with a girl that was going quite well. We started talking music and she asks if I know of Fleetwood Mac? It’s 2007 and I’m 27, of course I have. So she goes on... “Well I’m not as much into the band but I love Stevie Nicks. Trouble in Shangri-La is the best album ever!” I’m sitting there thinking, it’s not even the best Fleetwood Mac related album of this decade, let alone Stevie’s best album ever, it sure as hell isnt THE best album ever!!” That relationship didn’t last long.

[mitzo]

I found TISL a letdown too. Sheryl is a poor producer for Stevie. The whole album is flat and so is Stevie's voice. Her solo career is choked with disappointments.

[bombaysaffires]

Stevie is into flavor of the week. When was the last time we heard from Bruce Hornsby or Kenny G?

yep. she seems to think this makes her seem up with the times, cool, and hip.

[bombaysaffires]

I hope she wouldn't have to read those well known words, live.

Exactly. :shocked:

[jwd]

I found TISL a letdown too. Sheryl is a poor producer for Stevie. The whole album is flat and so is Stevie's voice. Her solo career is choked with disappointments.


I actually find TISL to be one of my favorite solo cds of hers. Sheryl Crow wasn't the only producer on the record. John Shanks did an excellent job. I'd rank TISL up there with BellaDonna.

[secondhandchain]

I actually find TISL to be one of my favorite solo cds of hers. Sheryl Crow wasn't the only producer on the record. John Shanks did an excellent job. I'd rank TISL up there with BellaDonna.

I do like her Globe sessions album. It's really good.

[jwd]

I do like her Globe sessions album. It's really good.

You know I just dusted that off and put it in my car to listen to. Yes, I agree, and I think it's her best record.

[jwd]

HOT! She's smokin' with this song!

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[DownOnRodeo]

That relationship didn’t last long.

Sounds like trouble in shangri-la.

Please say it ended with her running through the grass, over the stones, and down to the sea.

[secondhandchain]

The difficult kind and there goes the neighborhood are great songs.

[jmn3]

Sounds like trouble in shangri-la.

Please say it ended with her running through the grass, over the stones, and down to the sea.

Hahaha it actually ended with her saying something about wanting to get home from dinner one night “hopefully in time for Law and Order.” And no, this wasn’t code for something else. It was like the third date, not really the “I’d rather watch TV than you” stage yet. I have no idea what happened to her in the last ten years but she was gorgeous. Far above my league (and hence the Law and Order preference)!

This Sheryl Crow thread sure has a way of meandering!! I actually kind of like some of Sheryl’s stuff. Her first two albums are both good and I love the Concert in Central Park album - home of one of my favorite versions of Gold Dust Woman ever. Before it became a bloated crackhead “dancing” mess.