Lindsey addresses why is sad about Fleetwood Mac

[The Catdancer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=73&v=ZEI3ftV3y1s

[jbrownsjr]

I saw this. Thank you for posting.

[The Catdancer]

I saw this. Thank you for posting.

No problem :)

[elle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=73&v=ZEI3ftV3y1s

thank you for posting it in this forum too, considering it's about the band and it's tarnished legacy.

such a classy man.

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[secondhandchain]

Please no one comment that he made a SLIGHT political statment. He's at a political even and he is aloud to have an opinion.

[elle]

Please no one comment that he made a SLIGHT political statment. He's at a political even and he is aloud to have an opinion.

this above video cuts off before the political statement.

[bombaysaffires]

I really like the visuals in the first video clip listed....him, onstage, surrounded by the blackness and lit by a single spotlight

[secondhandchain]

this above video cuts off before the political statement.

It was nothing but somebody on the other board was so upset at it. What's happening in this country? We have a two party system split mostly in half, what's the surprise if someone has a different political viewpoint then you? It used to not be so big a deal.

[dreamsunwind]

Love how when the girl shouts 'F*ck Stevie Nicks' he just goes "that doesn't really matter". Very classy.

[bombaysaffires]

Love how when the girl shouts 'F*ck Stevie Nicks' he just goes "that doesn't really matter". Very classy.

I think she said "Like Stevie Nicks!" in response to him saying "some factions within the band lost their perspective".

They could have added "Like Mick Fleetwood" too. Or maybe all of them.

[dreamsunwind]

I think she said "Like Stevie Nicks!" in response to him saying "some factions within the band lost their perspective".

They could have added "Like Mick Fleetwood" too. Or maybe all of them.

Really? To me it sounds the other way, but regardless the point still stands. I like that's he above making direct public attacks on anyone, much different from how godawful Stevie (and I usually love Stevie) was in that CBS interview.

[The Catdancer]

thank you for posting it in this forum too, considering it's about the band and it's tarnished legacy.

such a classy man.



You're welcome :wavey:

And yes, class act!!

[sodascouts]

Very classy.

[Wdm6789]

Yeah, let’s not get into political discussions on this thread, let’s keep it to what he said about Fleetwood Mac. I agree with Lindsey that the legacy is “harmed”, but on the other hand, if what we keep hearing is true about him wanting to postpone the tour another year is true, I’m on the band’s side. John and Christine are like 75, and John, for all we know is still battling cancer, Lindsey should be on board to tour with them while he still can, he’s the youngest, he still has time to do solo stuff if he wants when Fleetwood Mac is done.

[elle]

I think she said "Like Stevie Nicks!" in response to him saying "some factions within the band lost their perspective".

They could have added "Like Mick Fleetwood" too. Or maybe all of them.

nice read but no. her friend t weeted. she yelled "F*ck Stevie Nicks". :cool:

[secondhandchain]

Yeah, let’s not get into political discussions on this thread, let’s keep it to what he said about a Fleetwood Mac. I agree with Lindsey that the legacy is “tarnished”, but on the other hand, if what we keep hearing is true about him wanting to postpone the tour another year is true, I’m on the band’s side. John and Christine are like 75, and John, for all we know is still battling cancer, Lindsey should be on board to tour with them while he still can, he’s the youngest, he still has time to do solo stuff if he wants when Fleetwood Mac is done.

Meanwhile stevie can pull her "I had to tell them we can only tour every three years" BS and also dictate if they record as a band together. No total BS.

[elle]

Really? To me it sounds the other way, but regardless the point still stands. I like that's he above making direct public attacks on anyone, much different from how godawful Stevie (and I usually love Stevie) was in that CBS interview.

also, apparently there were Stevie spies at the event. sad.

[elle]

Yeah, let’s not get into political discussions on this thread, let’s keep it to what he said about Fleetwood Mac. I agree with Lindsey that the legacy is “harmed”, but on the other hand, if what we keep hearing is true about him wanting to postpone the tour another year

it's not true. i would think everybody knows it by now.

[secondhandchain]

also, apparently there were Stevie spies at the event. sad.

Ok well now you need to 'splain!

[jkmaletic]

also, apparently there were Stevie spies at the event. sad.

LOL, "Spies"? :lol:

[bombaysaffires]

Really? To me it sounds the other way, but regardless the point still stands. I like that's he above making direct public attacks on anyone, much different from how godawful Stevie (and I usually love Stevie) was in that CBS interview.

nice read but no. her friend t weeted. she yelled "F*ck Stevie Nicks". :cool:

you guys made me go back and listen again... I honestly couldn't tell for sure, I guess I was going initially by his reply, but it's hard for me to hear. If she says that's what she said, I stand corrected. :eek:

[dreamsunwind]

also, apparently there were Stevie spies at the event. sad.

Did she send Karen to do some snooping?:lol:

[jkmaletic]

Is Kellianne the spy? Because isn't a spy someone who doesn't want to be recognized? Pretty sure Lindsey and his family know her. :shrug:

Jamie

[bombaysaffires]

also, apparently there were Stevie spies at the event. sad.

"gypsy girls", as TP referred to them... just, wow.

[dreamsunwind]

Is Kellianne the spy? Because isn't a spy someone who doesn't want to be recognized? Pretty sure Lindsey and his family know her. :shrug:

Jamie

Kellianne was there??
Well if she was then Stevie probably did send her because it's way too much of a coincidence that she would just happen to be at that same event.:shocked:

[jkmaletic]

"gypsy girls", as TP referred to them... just, wow.

Yeah...Stevie had snipers ready for action too!

Pretty sure Elle is referring to Kellianne, who was there, who is close to Stevie, but she wasn't hiding in the bushes or anything.

[elle]

Yeah...Stevie had snipers ready for action too!

Pretty sure Elle is referring to Kellianne, who was there, who is close to Stevie, .

why were people from Stevie's entourage there Jamie? if that's their district or something they could have donated the money without being there when the man they so despise is the main act.

Stevie was very clear in that CBS interview that she purged him out of her life so that she could happily dance for the next 10 years. why then have her entourage at this event? kinda sick, no?

[HomerMcvie]

nice read but no. her friend t weeted. she yelled "F*ck Stevie Nicks". :cool:

It sure sounds like "F*CK Stevie Nicks" to me.

I feel like King of the world right now.:wavey::lol:

[dreamsunwind]

I can't believe some people are actually mad that Lindsey's a democrat :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[lilyfee]

I’m happy to hear him address it straight on but I actually wish he’d be a little less classy and tell us what happened!:laugh:

For instance, “factions” in a five member band? What does that even mean? Like Stevie and Mick each had their own agendas? Plot twist.

What was the event? I’ve seen several clips online but nothing specifies what it was for other than that it was some sort of political or fundraising event.

[dreamsunwind]

What was the event? I’ve seen several clips online but nothing specifies what it was for other than that it was some sort of political or fundraising event.

Local big name environmental attorney Mike Levin (Democratic) campaign for Congress. Event was organized by Cameron Crowe.

[jkmaletic]

why were people from Stevie's entourage there Jamie? if that's their district or something they could have donated the money without being there when the man they so despise is the main act.

Stevie was very clear in that CBS interview that she purged him out of her life so that she could happily dance for the next 10 years. why then have her entourage at this event? kinda sick, no?

I can't speak for her, but maybe Kellianne likes his music, and/or maybe she likes him as a person? Not everybody is necessarily into the team Stevie vs team Lindsey thing. She could very well have her own thoughts despite being close to Stevie.

Jamie

[secondhandchain]

:lol:It sure sounds like "F*CK Stevie Nicks" to me.

I feel like King of the world right now.:wavey::lol:


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Fiver]

Kelliane Murphy worked on the tv show Roadies, which was created by Cameron Crowe. Lindsey guest starred in an episode.

[elle]

I’m happy to hear him address it straight on but I actually wish he’d be a little less classy and tell us what happened!:laugh:

For instance, “factions” in a five member band? What does that even mean? Like Stevie and Mick each had their own agendas? Plot twist.

What was the event? I’ve seen several clips online but nothing specifies what it was for other than that it was some sort of political or fundraising event.

no Stevie and Mick are one faction.

lol you should read some LB groups. we've had all the info there, for weeks now.

[dontlookdown]

It was nothing but somebody on the other board was so upset at it. What's happening in this country? We have a two party system split mostly in half, what's the surprise if someone has a different political viewpoint then you? It used to not be so big a deal.

Why would someone be upset?
He’s an educated human being. Of course he has an opinion and a point of view.
I’m so ridiculously exhausted from the never ending drivel from uneducated, low information-Trump supporters.

[secondhandchain]

Why would someone be upset?
He’s an educated human being. Of course he has an opinion and a point of view.
I’m so ridiculously exhausted from the never ending drivel from uneducated, low information-Trump supporters.

I would edit that comment if I were you. Not saying I don't agree with you, but it's going to cause an explosion here and we have enough of that right now. :nod:

[Nathan]

Well said!

[SorcererJP]

Yeah, let’s not get into political discussions on this thread, let’s keep it to what he said about Fleetwood Mac. I agree with Lindsey that the legacy is “harmed”, but on the other hand, if what we keep hearing is true about him wanting to postpone the tour another year is true, I’m on the band’s side. John and Christine are like 75, and John, for all we know is still battling cancer, Lindsey should be on board to tour with them while he still can, he’s the youngest, he still has time to do solo stuff if he wants when Fleetwood Mac is done.

Exactly that !!!

[AncientQueen]

For instance, “factions” in a five member band? What does that even mean? Like Stevie and Mick each had their own agendas? Plot twist.
I hope that means that Christine told him she was not part of that decision and that he believes her.

[2nd_Hand_News]

I hope that means that Christine told him she was not part of that decision and that he believes her.

That would be my hope as well. It would be great if perhaps the door could be left open for them to continue to collaborate together in between whatever projects the new "Fleetwood Mac" has coming up in the future. Certainly wouldn't mind another BuckVie album, that's for sure.

Great to finally hear Lindsey speak on the issue. Wish he'd been a bit more pointed in his comments, especially considering how Fleetwood Mac has handled the issue publicly, but it is what it is. Hopefully he starts off his first solo show with a fiery rendition of "Wrong".

[Phil]

Lindsey's comments are vintage Lindsey: passive-aggressive, cryptic and pretentious. I would have had more respect for him if he'd just spoken honestly, clearly stating that he feels betrayed and no longer has any regard for the band.
Noticeably, he makes no comment about his part in proceedings - i.e. the endless dithering and postponing of the tour, not to mention the more-than-cheeky utilisation of the crew for his projected solo gigs in between Mac shows.
There's nothing "classy" about what he did, particularly to seize the opportunity to discuss the matter at a charity gig. Try crude and embittered.

[Angel75]

Lindsey's comments are vintage Lindsey: passive-aggressive, cryptic and pretentious. I would have had more respect for him if he'd just spoken honestly, clearly stating that he feels betrayed and no longer has any regard for the band.
Noticeably, he makes no comment about his part in proceedings - i.e. the endless dithering and postponing of the tour, not to mention the more-than-cheeky utilisation of the crew for his projected solo gigs in between Mac shows.
There's nothing "classy" about what he did, particularly to seize the opportunity to discuss the matter at a charity gig. Try crude and embittered.

Did we see the same you tube clip?!!!!
The fact that he almost shut down the **** Stevie Nicks call by saying that it doesn't really matter, is somewhat respectful to SN when he could have laughed/ or made a nasty comment in agreeance / support of those heckled words speaks volumes. He is acting in a dignified way and not stooping to childish behaviour, unlike his selfish and money hungry ex-band mates. He's being the bigger person when he could have been a lot more brutal and cutting.

[bwboy]

Kelliane Murphy worked on the tv show Roadies, which was created by Cameron Crowe. Lindsey guest starred in an episode.

I guess I'm not as big a FM fan as others are here... for example, I had no idea who this person "Kelliane" was, or why she would be "spying" on Lindsey Buckingham for Stevie at a public fundraising event. So thanks for posting, fiver. Besides working with Cameron Crowe, maybe, just maybe, she was also a supporter of the candidate whom the fundraiser was for.

Or you could believe the conspiracy theorists posting here, that she spent the evening spying on Lindsey for Stevie :laugh:

[ryan4136]

Two things that spoke volumes to me.

1) the word factions....likely means Mick and Stevie vs Chris and LB with John caught in the middle.

2) his not wanting to say anything too negative leaving the door open for reunion. He must think it’s just a phase.

[Storms123]

He's a class act---handled it elegantly, but more importantly--he sounded fantastic and played wonderfully (as always)

[button-lip]

I guess I'm not as big a FM fan as others are here... for example, I had no idea who this person "Kelliane" was, or why she would be "spying" on Lindsey Buckingham for Stevie at a public fundraising event. So thanks for posting, fiver. Besides working with Cameron Crowe, maybe, just maybe, she was also a supporter of the candidate whom the fundraiser was for.

Or you could believe the conspiracy theorists posting here, that she spent the evening spying on Lindsey for Stevie :laugh:

You’re a Stevie’s fan and you don’t know who she’s?

She’s part of Stevie’s entourage, and she has nothing better to do on a Friday night than spending it on the same room with the man her friend just trashed on national TV? I don’t believe for a second her political beliefs are so strong she couldn’t stop herself from going. Gimme a break!

[button-lip]

Two things that spoke volumes to me.

1) the word factions....likely means Mick and Stevie vs Chris and LB with John caught in the middle.

2) his not wanting to say anything too negative leaving the door open for reunion. He must think it’s just a phase.

1) He finally cleared that up. Funny how some people STILL don’t know what he’s talking about. Where have you been for the past 3 months?

2) The use of the word “perspective” also made me think he’s waiting for them to come to senses.

[button-lip]

Yeah, let’s not get into political discussions on this thread, let’s keep it to what he said about Fleetwood Mac. I agree with Lindsey that the legacy is “harmed”, but on the other hand, if what we keep hearing is true about him wanting to postpone the tour another year is true, I’m on the band’s side. John and Christine are like 75, and John, for all we know is still battling cancer, Lindsey should be on board to tour with them while he still can, he’s the youngest, he still has time to do solo stuff if he wants when Fleetwood Mac is done.

Did he say he wanted to postpone the tour? He emphasized it wasn’t his choice to leave the band and that he was sad about the legacy. That doesn’t sound like a man who wasn’t willing to negotiate his solo tour with the band tour in order to continue the legacy.

[Storms123]

You’re a Stevie’s fan and you don’t know who she’s?

She’s part of Stevie’s entourage, and she has nothing better to do on a Friday night than spending it on the same room with the man her friend just trashed on national TV? I don’t believe for a second her political beliefs are so strong she couldn’t stop herself from going. Gimme a break!

If she was there as a "mole" she can report back that he sounded fantastic played beautifully and downplayed someone who bad mouthed her. Class act all the way around. The band could learn a lesson or 2 there.

[Storms123]

Did he say he wanted to postpone the tour? He emphasized it wasn’t his choice to leave the band and that he was sad about the legacy. That doesn’t sound like a man who wasn’t willing to negotiate his solo tour with the band tour in order to continue the legacy.

I think it's been pretty well established now he was willing to negotiate his solo tour. We've seen the video and I feel like Brett corroborated that as well?

[bwboy]

You’re a Stevie’s fan and you don’t know who she’s?

She’s part of Stevie’s entourage, and she has nothing better to do on a Friday night than spending it on the same room with the man her friend just trashed on national TV? I don’t believe for a second her political beliefs are so strong she couldn’t stop herself from going. Gimme a break!

LOL no, I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan, first and foremost. And except for the name Judy Wong, which I've seen often in the liner notes of FM albums, I have no idea who is in any entourage, whether it be Stevie, Mick, or Lindsey. But thanks for confirming that the conspiracy theorists are alive and well here. I thought fiver's post said this woman works with Cameron Crowe, who helped organize this event. In my eyes, she was likely showing her support for a candidate running for office and or supporting her co-worker. In your eyes, she was there solely to spy on Lindsey for Stevie. I'll say it too- gimme a break!

I'm a fan of the band and the members, but not to the extent that I know the names of their family members or friends or entourage. Actually, maybe I should say I'm more a fan of their music rather than the members themselves. I've never really been into idolatry, especially for celebrities. Like a meet and greet for Mick- I wouldn't pay $600 to meet any of them, because, well, it's just not my thing. I couldn't say anything to them they hadn't already heard a million times ("I love your music") but that's fine if other people want to. I don't keep newspaper clippings, or photos, or record every appearance they make. I do buy the group albums and individual albums, but I don't keep them if I don't like them, which is why I got rid of Time, In the Meantime, 24 Karat Gold, and Gift of Screws.

[StevieandChris]

I'm a fan of the band and the members, but not to the extent that I know the names of their family members or friends or entourage. Actually, maybe I should say I'm more a fan of their music rather than the members themselves. I've never really been into idolatry, especially for celebrities. Like a meet and greet for Mick- I wouldn't pay $600 to meet any of them, because, well, it's just not my thing. I couldn't say anything to them they hadn't already heard a million times ("I love your music") but that's fine if other people want to. I don't keep newspaper clippings, or photos, or record every appearance they make. I do buy the group albums and individual albums, but I don't keep them if I don't like them, which is why I got rid of Time, In the Meantime, 24 Karat Gold, and Gift of Screws.

Yes! This describes me too, though I have 24KG and In the Meantime. Though I buy from iTunes and have no records or CDs. No meet and greets, no clippings, no posters, no photos. I do like to watch interviews and live concerts and read biographies and I will buy one T-Shirt from each concert (I will only attend one show on a tour).

[Jondalar]

He is only saying what we already knew. Mick and Stevie only care about the money. He cares about the music.

[SteveMacD]

I listened again, and I found the phrase “leave of absence” curious.

[jmn3]

Lindsey's comments are vintage Lindsey: passive-aggressive, cryptic and pretentious. I would have had more respect for him if he'd just spoken honestly, clearly stating that he feels betrayed and no longer has any regard for the band.
Noticeably, he makes no comment about his part in proceedings - i.e. the endless dithering and postponing of the tour, not to mention the more-than-cheeky utilisation of the crew for his projected solo gigs in between Mac shows.
There's nothing "classy" about what he did, particularly to seize the opportunity to discuss the matter at a charity gig. Try crude and embittered.

Really? There's just so much in your comment that is ridiculous.

Where was he passive-aggressive? Cryptic and a tad pretentious...well yeah, that is vintage Lindsey. And Stevie. And if you want passive aggressive, Mick Fleetwood holds that card in The Fleetwood Mac realm.

You say he "seized" the opportunity to discuss this at a charity gig but then say you'd have more respect if he just essentially blasted the band?

A charity gig? Don't make it sound like he took over a Children's Hospital gala to drone on and on about Fleetwood Mac. It was a political fundraiser and he barely spent 70 seconds talking about it. He wasn't rude, and he quickly shut the person up who said "f**k Stevie Nicks."

Crude and embittered? My goodness, get some perspective as those words don't apply at all.

And endless dithering and postponing of tours - first of all, not even a fact at all. Second, if he was fired for such, then Stevie should have been fired a few times in the last 20 years.

[jmn3]

I listened again, and I found the phrase “leave of absence” curious.

Well, the line was that he has "taken leave" of the band. But I also found that a bit curious. It could just be Lindsey-speak and not mean much but his whole little talk there made it sound like he hadn't shut the door for good on working with the band again. :shrug:

[Kubrick2788]

If I remember correctly, he has talked about cycles once or twice before...hahaha. Maybe he's just going to wait them out. I've stayed away from commenting here a lot because I don't have such deep allegiances as some, but I'm curious to see where this all goes. I'll see this latest version of Fleetwood Mac and hope that, sometime in the near future, those five people pull off a tour again. Now, back to the politics of the evening...:laugh:

[elle]

Well, the line was that he has "taken leave" of the band. But I also found that a bit curious. It could just be Lindsey-speak and not mean much but his whole little talk there made it sound like he hadn't shut the door for good on working with the band again. :shrug:

that's one of his vintage lines, same as "fulfilling our destiny". he used it over and over at Buckvie shows, saying Christine has taken a leave of a band for 16 years.

i do agree with others though that particular phrasing as well as the one about some band factions "losing their perspective" signals he is leaving the door open to repair the legacy. it's pretty clear he considers FM his band -as he should - "for the last 3 months i've taken leave of absence of my band of 43 years, Fleetwood Mac, not by my doing or my choice." and he'd like to wrap up on a positive note for the band legacy.

not my choice btw, but i understand his stance. he's a much bigger person than most of us would be in his situation.

[jmn3]

not my choice btw, but i understand his stance. he's a much bigger person than most of us would be in his situation.

Oh hell yes. I would’ve been up there ripping them to shreds! Lol

[dontlookdown]

I would edit that comment if I were you. Not saying I don't agree with you, but it's going to cause an explosion here and we have enough of that right now. :nod:

I'll stick with Lindsey and the resistance. This administration and the people who have enabled this sick sick poor excuse of a human being in the white house should never be offered an apology. The damage that Trump voters have caused this country will last for generations.
Sorry/Not Sorry.

[jbrownsjr]

I’m happy to hear him address it straight on but I actually wish he’d be a little less classy and tell us what happened!:laugh:

For instance, “factions” in a five member band? What does that even mean? Like Stevie and Mick each had their own agendas? Plot twist.

What was the event? I’ve seen several clips online but nothing specifies what it was for other than that it was some sort of political or fundraising event.

Michele said long ago, "Band politics = Mick and $tevie.

[sue]

Maybe Lindsey with his words and phrasing is thinking someone is not in a right frame of mind, isn’t thinking straight and maybe he hopes things will change back again.
I don’t think he’s talking of Mick, who is just driven by money, but of Stevie...
Maybe she isn’t capable of thinking straight, due to the death of her friend Tom.

He is right this debacle has ruined their heritage, that’s for sure.

[Storms123]

Maybe Lindsey with his words and phrasing is thinking someone is not in a right frame of mind, isn’t thinking straight and maybe he hopes things will change back again.
I don’t think he’s talking of Mick, who is just driven by money, but of Stevie...
Maybe she isn’t capable of thinking straight, due to the death of her friend Tom.

He is right this debacle has ruined their heritage, that’s for sure.


Curious to see the bands next comments on this--its not going to go away until they address it....."Truthfully" and not run away from reporters (a la TMZ/Mick in the airport)
At what point do you think Mike and Neil are like "WTF did we take on?"

[jbrownsjr]

Tell me lie$, tell me $WEET little lie$.....

TELL ME LIE$ TELL ME TELL ME LIE$

Oh Mick and $tevie.. you've become insufferable human beings. I hope you both sleep well on this tour.

[bwboy]

Curious to see the bands next comments on this--its not going to go away until they address it....."Truthfully" and not run away from reporters (a la TMZ/Mick in the airport)
At what point do you think Mike and Neil are like "WTF did we take on?"

I think we'll see FM give plenty more press as the tour draws closer, but as far as Mick "running away from reporters," two things: first, is anyone from TMZ really considered a reporter? I thought that TMZ was considered glorified paparazzi? And second, if Mick was at the airport, maybe he was running because he was in a hurry? I mean, an airport is not an ideal place to sit down for an interview LOL! I'm trying to imagine catching an airplane and someone running alongside me asking for a comment about something, and in no possible scenario do I imagine myself giving up a flight so I can talk to them.

[SteveMacD]

The more that gets said, the more confusing it gets. The only one who has said anything definite is Stevie, but she’ll probably change her mind about Lindsey again, as she always does. Five years ago, she wanted a BN reunion tour…

Meanwhile, Mick and Lindsey are tripping over themselves to not refer to this as a firing, and Neil and Mike were less than convincing about the length of their tenure during the CBS interview.

[dreamsunwind]

The more that gets said, the more confusing it gets. The only one who has said anything definite is Stevie, but she’ll probably change her mind about Lindsey again, as she always does. Five years ago, she wanted a BN reunion tour…

Meanwhile, Mick and Lindsey are tripping over themselves to not refer to this as a firing, and Neil and Mike were less than convincing about the length of their tenure during the CBS interview.

Lindsey said clearly that it was not his choice to leave.

[elle]

Lindsey said clearly that it was not his choice to leave.

exactly. not my doing and not my choice - how much more clear can you be??

translation for apparently confused - he did nothing to cause it, and he was thrown out against his will.

[jbrownsjr]

OK, I can confirm with 100% certainty it was "F $tevie NICK$"

I know the person who shouted it.

And I asked she did used the $$$ when she screamed it. $$ :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

The more that gets said, the more confusing it gets. The only one who has said anything definite is Stevie, but she’ll probably change her mind about Lindsey again, as she always does. Five years ago, she wanted a BN reunion tour…

Meanwhile, Mick and Lindsey are tripping over themselves to not refer to this as a firing, and Neil and Mike were less than convincing about the length of their tenure during the CBS interview.

Agree on all counts. Those were my thoughts this morning.

[button-lip]

LOL no, I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan, first and foremost. And except for the name Judy Wong, which I've seen often in the liner notes of FM albums, I have no idea who is in any entourage, whether it be Stevie, Mick, or Lindsey. But thanks for confirming that the conspiracy theorists are alive and well here. I thought fiver's post said this woman works with Cameron Crowe, who helped organize this event. In my eyes, she was likely showing her support for a candidate running for office and or supporting her co-worker. In your eyes, she was there solely to spy on Lindsey for Stevie. I'll say it too- gimme a break!

I'm a fan of the band and the members, but not to the extent that I know the names of their family members or friends or entourage. Actually, maybe I should say I'm more a fan of their music rather than the members themselves. I've never really been into idolatry, especially for celebrities. Like a meet and greet for Mick- I wouldn't pay $600 to meet any of them, because, well, it's just not my thing. I couldn't say anything to them they hadn't already heard a million times ("I love your music") but that's fine if other people want to. I don't keep newspaper clippings, or photos, or record every appearance they make. I do buy the group albums and individual albums, but I don't keep them if I don't like them, which is why I got rid of Time, In the Meantime, 24 Karat Gold, and Gift of Screws.

So, you don't know anything about their lives but you're sure it's impossible one of Stevie's people was there to spy on Lindsey. Interesting. :lol::lol::lol:

[Murrow]

Curious to see the bands next comments on this--its not going to go away until they address it....."Truthfully" and not run away from reporters (a la TMZ/Mick in the airport)
At what point do you think Mike and Neil are like "WTF did we take on?"

In Neil’s case probably not that long. I’ve followed both Fleetwood Mac and Crowded House for a long time and Neil’s ego is way smaller than that of the average Mac veteran.

[button-lip]

Tell me lie$, tell me $WEET little lie$.....

TELL ME LIE$ TELL ME TELL ME LIE$

Oh Mick and $tevie.. you've become insufferable human beings. I hope you both sleep well on this tour.

Oh, I'm sure they will. They both lost their souls in 1977...

[Macfan4life]

Nice speech comparing today's dysfunction in the country to the life in Fleetwood mac. This long speech would have been the perfect intro to GO INSANE
:eek:

[bombaysaffires]

Yeah, let’s not get into political discussions on this thread, let’s keep it to what he said about Fleetwood Mac. I agree with Lindsey that the legacy is “harmed”, but on the other hand, if what we keep hearing is true about him wanting to postpone the tour another year is true, I’m on the band’s side. John and Christine are like 75, and John, for all we know is still battling cancer, Lindsey should be on board to tour with them while he still can, he’s the youngest, he still has time to do solo stuff if he wants when Fleetwood Mac is done.

except it's not.

It's the band's attempt at public relations spin.

[bombaysaffires]

Lindsey's comments are vintage Lindsey: passive-aggressive, cryptic and pretentious. I would have had more respect for him if he'd just spoken honestly, clearly stating that he feels betrayed and no longer has any regard for the band.
Noticeably, he makes no comment about his part in proceedings - i.e. the endless dithering and postponing of the tour, not to mention the more-than-cheeky utilisation of the crew for his projected solo gigs in between Mac shows.
There's nothing "classy" about what he did, particularly to seize the opportunity to discuss the matter at a charity gig. Try crude and embittered.

and....you're basing this on.....a public statement by a band in damage control mode, when in fact folks on the crew and others who work with the band have definitively stated this was not the case?

[bombaysaffires]

LOL no, I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan, first and foremost. And except for the name Judy Wong, which I've seen often in the liner notes of FM albums, I have no idea who is in any entourage, whether it be Stevie, Mick, or Lindsey. But thanks for confirming that the conspiracy theorists are alive and well here. I thought fiver's post said this woman works with Cameron Crowe, who helped organize this event. In my eyes, she was likely showing her support for a candidate running for office and or supporting her co-worker. In your eyes, she was there solely to spy on Lindsey for Stevie. I'll say it too- gimme a break!

I'm a fan of the band and the members, but not to the extent that I know the names of their family members or friends or entourage. Actually, maybe I should say I'm more a fan of their music rather than the members themselves. I've never really been into idolatry, especially for celebrities. Like a meet and greet for Mick- I wouldn't pay $600 to meet any of them, because, well, it's just not my thing. I couldn't say anything to them they hadn't already heard a million times ("I love your music") but that's fine if other people want to. I don't keep newspaper clippings, or photos, or record every appearance they make. I do buy the group albums and individual albums, but I don't keep them if I don't like them, which is why I got rid of Time, In the Meantime, 24 Karat Gold, and Gift of Screws.

I don't study the band's entourage either, but maybe because I come from the era of actual vinyl albums that had lots of interesting liner notes, etc. which I did read because that was part of the "thing" of listening to an album-- reading the liner notes as you listened etc....... So I recognize names just from that. And I haven't sat and read liner notes for a number of years now. I did have to Google her name when people brought it up because I had no recollection of her role, but the name totally rang a bell.

Guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist. :laugh: :laugh: And makes you a far better person.

It's fascinating that people don't understand that rich and famous stars do not, no matter how much PR they put out to the contrary, live their lives like you and I do. They *absolutely* have entourages, posses, handlers, gatekeepers, whatever you want to call it. And they *do* have people on their teams who feel it is their duty to look out for their boss, whatever that takes, including keeping tabs on other band members. People on here have heard directly from various people who work for the band that this goes on.

Do fans need to care about this? Not if they don't want to. But if some people find it interesting, and factor this real info into their understandings of what is going on, it doesn't make them "conspiracy theorists". :distress:

[dreamsunwind]

LOL no, I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan, first and foremost. And except for the name Judy Wong, which I've seen often in the liner notes of FM albums, I have no idea who is in any entourage, whether it be Stevie, Mick, or Lindsey. But thanks for confirming that the conspiracy theorists are alive and well here. I thought fiver's post said this woman works with Cameron Crowe, who helped organize this event. In my eyes, she was likely showing her support for a candidate running for office and or supporting her co-worker. In your eyes, she was there solely to spy on Lindsey for Stevie. I'll say it too- gimme a break!

I'm a fan of the band and the members, but not to the extent that I know the names of their family members or friends or entourage. Actually, maybe I should say I'm more a fan of their music rather than the members themselves. I've never really been into idolatry, especially for celebrities. Like a meet and greet for Mick- I wouldn't pay $600 to meet any of them, because, well, it's just not my thing. I couldn't say anything to them they hadn't already heard a million times ("I love your music") but that's fine if other people want to. I don't keep newspaper clippings, or photos, or record every appearance they make. I do buy the group albums and individual albums, but I don't keep them if I don't like them, which is why I got rid of Time, In the Meantime, 24 Karat Gold, and Gift of Screws.

Kellianne was in the IYD documentary movie and Stevie talked about her several times during the interviews/press for it. That's how I know who she is. She would say "Kellianne the one who was wearing the crazy dress in the movie, is my goddaughter she cooked us dinners every night for 20 people."

[bwboy]

I don't study the band's entourage either, but maybe because I come from the era of actual vinyl albums that had lots of interesting liner notes, etc. which I did read because that was part of the "thing" of listening to an album-- reading the liner notes as you listened etc....... So I recognize names just from that. And I haven't sat and read liner notes for a number of years now. I did have to Google her name when people brought it up because I had no recollection of her role, but the name totally rang a bell.

Guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist. :laugh: :laugh:

It's fascinating that people don't understand that rich and famous stars do not, no matter how much PR they put out to the contrary, live their lives like you and I do. They *absolutely* have entourages, posses, handlers, gatekeepers, whatever you want to call it. And they *do* have people on their teams who feel it is their duty to look out for their boss, whatever that takes, including keeping tabs on other band members. People on here have heard directly from various people who work for the band that this goes on.

Do fans need to care about this? Not if they don't want to. But if some people find it interesting, and factor this real info into their understandings of what is going on, it doesn't make them "conspiracy theorists". :distress:

Like you, I definitely read the liner notes and thank yous, that was always fun for me.

I understand wealthy celebrities have an entourage, I wasn't disagreeing with that. Apparently, the woman in question works with Cameron Crowe on a tv show that actually featured Lindsey on an episode. So why wouldn't it be just as likely she was there for that reason as she was to spy for Stevie? Sure, it's possible Stevie knew about this event (which actually I doubt, because, as others have said, she's very sheltered by her people), and she asked this woman, who apparently has two jobs- one, working on a show with Cameron Crowe and two, is part of Stevie's entourage- to go to the fundraiser and collect intel on Lindsey and his performance. However, it's just as likely she went because she either supports the candidate and she works with Cameron Crowe. I don't care either way, I just think it's funny people are saying she was a spy, that's all. As someone else already said, if she was a spy, all she can tell Stevie is that Lindsey gave a fine performance and made a minute long speech about no longer being a part of FM.

Personally, I prefer the idea that Stevie was secretly there, posing as an activist or one of the staff, wearing glasses and a wig, maybe even trying to sabotage Lindsey's amp. Or maybe passing out fliers for the upcoming FM tour.

[SteveMacD]

Lindsey said clearly that it was not his choice to leave.

exactly. not my doing and not my choice - how much more clear can you be??

translation for apparently confused - he did nothing to cause it, and he was thrown out against his will.

People (i.e. cops) get put on involuntary, unpaid leave, but don’t get fired.

[jwd]

Like you, I definitely read the liner notes and thank yous, that was always fun for me.

I understand wealthy celebrities have an entourage, I wasn't disagreeing with that. Apparently, the woman in question works with Cameron Crowe on a tv show that actually featured Lindsey on an episode. So why wouldn't it be just as likely she was there for that reason as she was to spy for Stevie? Sure, it's possible Stevie knew about this event (which actually I doubt, because, as others have said, she's very sheltered by her people), and she asked this woman, who apparently has two jobs- one, working on a show with Cameron Crowe and two, is part of Stevie's entourage- to go to the fundraiser and collect intel on Lindsey and his performance. However, it's just as likely she went because she either supports the candidate and she works with Cameron Crowe. I don't care either way, I just think it's funny people are saying she was a spy, that's all. As someone else already said, if she was a spy, all she can tell Stevie is that Lindsey gave a fine performance and made a minute long speech about no longer being a part of FM.

Personally, I prefer the idea that Stevie was secretly there, posing as an activist or one of the staff, wearing glasses and a wig, maybe even trying to sabotage Lindsey's amp. Or maybe passing out fliers for the upcoming FM tour.


AND THE PLOT THICKENS! :laugh::laugh:

[bwboy]

Guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist. :laugh: :laugh: And makes you a far better person.

Do fans need to care about this? Not if they don't want to. But if some people find it interesting, and factor this real info into their understandings of what is going on, it doesn't make them "conspiracy theorists". :distress:

Bombaysaffires, I just wanted to add that in no way do I think I'm a better person just because we have differing viewpoints on this. I think you were probably kidding when you said that, but I just wanted to make sure you knew I don't feel that way at all. I may think some people here are conspiracy theorists :laugh: but maybe you're right and I'm just really naive or gullible :lol:

I respect we have different opinions, and I do appreciate hearing where you're coming from and why you feel a certain way. And likewise, I appreciate being able to share my viewpoint and why I feel a certain way.

[KenshiMaster16]

Classy, classy speech. Although it would be hilarious if as a slight dig to Mick and Stevie, he performs either Did You Miss Me or Treason on his next solo tour.

[guillamene]

Well, the line was that he has "taken leave" of the band. But I also found that a bit curious. It could just be Lindsey-speak and not mean much but his whole little talk there made it sound like he hadn't shut the door for good on working with the band again. :shrug:

..working with the band again? Really cannot see this happen.The age factor of the five is the most obvious reason - and the fact that this tour will most likely go to Europe and beyond next year, then a long break, Stevie solo tour perhaps etc. etc...….not to mention the question: how can the 5 work/record/play together AFTER WHAT HAS HAPPENED? This is totally different to 1987 or when Chris retired after The Dance tour.
For me, the most revealing image was the body language and demeanour of John and Chris on the CBS show...…..it spoke volumes.

[Storms123]

I think we'll see FM give plenty more press as the tour draws closer, but as far as Mick "running away from reporters," two things: first, is anyone from TMZ really considered a reporter? I thought that TMZ was considered glorified paparazzi? And second, if Mick was at the airport, maybe he was running because he was in a hurry? I mean, an airport is not an ideal place to sit down for an interview LOL! I'm trying to imagine catching an airplane and someone running alongside me asking for a comment about something, and in no possible scenario do I imagine myself giving up a flight so I can talk to them.

Agree with you re TMZ, but he wasn't really rushing anywhere for this plane. He was trying to avoid speaking to them. Very out of character for him--he usually appears pretty chatty and friendly when people approach him

[SteveMacD]

Agree with you re TMZ, but he wasn't really rushing anywhere for this plane. He was trying to avoid speaking to them. Very out of character for him--he usually appears pretty chatty and friendly when people approach him

Yeah, TMZ are a bunch of useless a-holes. I can’t blame Mick or any celebrity not wanting to talk to them.

[secondhandchain]

Agree with you re TMZ, but he wasn't really rushing anywhere for this plane. He was trying to avoid speaking to them. Very out of character for him--he usually appears pretty chatty and friendly when people approach him

Mick not wanting to get attention from the press? :]:]:]:]:] He was avoiding them like the plague for one reason....gumby knows he f#cked up big time.

[Jondalar]

I would edit that comment if I were you. Not saying I don't agree with you, but it's going to cause an explosion here and we have enough of that right now. :nod:

I think it’s common knowledge that if Lindsey were a Republican, he would probably be kicked out California, the band and have his Grammies taken away. It’s the least surprising thing about Lindsey. You would never find a entertainer of his stature at a Republican event. Nutcases would make it their mission to ruin his or her career or beat them up.

[secondhandchain]

I think it’s common knowledge that if Lindsey were a Republican, he would probably be kicked out California, the band and have his Grammies taken away. It’s the least surprising thing about Lindsey. You would never find a entertainer of his stature at a Republican event. Nutcases would make it their mission to ruin his or her career or beat them up.

That's ridiculous. As long as he didn't act like an a hole like Ted Nugent. Are you that ignorant that you think California is 100 percent liberal? It's not. And by the way your little dig basically saying "liberals are nutcases" did not go un noticed. KNOCK IT OFF ON THIS BOARD. And btw there are plenty of successful republican musicians and actors. Get an education.

[SteveMacD]

I think it’s common knowledge that if Lindsey were a Republican, he would probably be kicked out California, the band and have his Grammies taken away. It’s the least surprising thing about Lindsey. You would never find a entertainer of his stature at a Republican event. Nutcases would make it their mission to ruin his or her career or beat them up.

Umm…It’s common knowledge that John McVie is a Republican.

[secondhandchain]

Umm…It’s common knowledge that John McVie is a Republican.

Jondular thinks we are going to take away John's grammys. SMH. And could we please have one freaking place where we don't have to argue about politics? It's everywhere now and I'd really like this to be one fo the places where it isn't discussed. It's pretty obvious what he was doing.

[Jondalar]

That's ridiculous. As long as he didn't act like an a hole like Ted Nugent. Are you that ignorant that you think California is 100 percent liberal? It's not. And by the way your little dig basically saying "liberals are nutcases" did not go un noticed. KNOCK IT OFF ON THIS BOARD. And btw there are plenty of successful republican musicians and actors. Get an education.

I have a nice education. Do you? Did you read your own post? You were the one who told him not to bring up politics and he wouldn’t because he didn’t care about offending Trump supporters. If he can dish it out, he should be able to take it. So should you.

[Jondalar]

Jondular thinks we are going to take away John's grammys. SMH. And could we please have one freaking place where we don't have to argue about politics? It's everywhere now and I'd really like this to be one fo the places where it isn't discussed. It's pretty obvious what he was doing.

You guys are the ones who brought up politics. And it’s pretty obvious what you are doing now.

[secondhandchain]

I have a nice education. Do you? Did you read your own post? You were the one who told him not to bring up politics and he wouldn’t because he didn’t care about offending Trump supporters. If he can dish it out, he should be able to take it. So should you.

I haven't brought up politics and I also told him he shouldn't either. I know it's hard because you've been taught recently to hate people from Ca, but there are a lot of conservatives here. I work with many of them and we get along fine, I live in LA and work in the movie business. If you want to make this board about your hate of liberals go ahead, I cant stop you have at it.

[Jondalar]

I haven't brought up politics and I also told him he shouldn't either. I know it's hard because you've been taught recently to hate people from Ca, but there are a lot of conservatives here. I work with many of them and we get along fine and I live in LA in the movie business. If you want to make this board about your hate of liberals go ahead, I cant stop you have at it.

Oh no, no, no, no! Don’t turn it around. This is about liberals hating Trump supporters and not caring one bit how we feel. I always voted as a Democrat until Trump. I’m glad he is throwing a wrench in that corrupt, Washington machine. After the way Democrats have acted the last two years, I’ll be the first in line to vote for him again. Ok I’ve said my peace. Enough said.

[secondhandchain]

Oh no, no, no, no! Don’t turn it around. This is about liberals hating Trump supporters and not caring one bit how we feel. I always voted as a Democrat until Trump. I’m glad he is throwing a wrench in that corrupt, Washington machine. After the way Democrats have acted the last two years, I’ll be the first in line to vote for him again. Ok I’ve said my peace. Enough said.

Ok there is SO much I can say about your this last statement but I won't.

[Jondalar]

Ok there is SO much I can say about your this last statement but I won't.

Then I won’t either.

[Kubrick2788]

Wait, so is Stevie the Trump in this scenario...? Does that make Lindsey the Hillary? So confused...:laugh:

[Dr.Brown]

Does this mean Mick is Putin, Christine is Bernie, and John is Ted Cruz???:shrug:

Hmm, backstabbing...maybe that I Want You Back video is starting to make sense now, just don't think Lindsey and Christine are that chubby.

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