The new line up referred to as a "cover band"

[dontlookdown]

The Sirius XM FM Channel has been playing some live tracks from Lindsey and Stevie's first tour with the band in 75.

I remember all my bootlegs from the first two tours with Buckingham and Nicks playing "Oh Well", "Green Manalishi", "Hypnotized", "Why", "Station Man" "Spare Me a Little", "Rattlesnake Shake", "Jumping at Shadows", "Emerald Eyes", "Sunny Side of Heaven", "Miles Away" "Tell Me All The Things You Do", and a few others.

But nobody labeled them a "cover band".

We don't even have a first show set list with Mike Campbell and Neil Finn, but they're being called a cover band from fans, many of whom only started listening in 97. Funny how things evolve over time with Fleetwood Mac fans.

[Dr.Brown]

That's because they're sure to be covering songs from Crowded House as well as Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. :distress:
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[HomerMcvie]

That's because they're sure to be covering songs from Crowded House as well as Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. :distress:
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Do you mean, like a cover band would do?

Don't Dream It's Over...

Alas, it BE over.

[dreamsunwind]

The Sirius XM FM Channel has been playing some live tracks from Lindsey and Stevie's first tour with the band in 75.

I remember all my bootlegs from the first two tours with Buckingham and Nicks playing "Oh Well", "Green Manalishi", "Hypnotized", "Why", "Station Man" "Spare Me a Little", "Rattlesnake Shake", "Jumping at Shadows", "Emerald Eyes", "Sunny Side of Heaven", "Miles Away" "Tell Me All The Things You Do", and a few others.

But nobody labeled them a "cover band".

We don't even have a first show set list with Mike Campbell and Neil Finn, but they're being called a cover band from fans, many of whom only started listening in 97. Funny how things evolve over time with Fleetwood Mac fans.

Not remotely the same situation.
In the first tours with Lindsey and Stevie, the 1975 album had just barely come out. Fleetwood Mac was not really famous in the US yet and that lineup was very new. Of course they were going to have to play older songs on that early tour. But, they still played the new material that they had put out-- Rhiannon, Blue Letter, So Afraid, Landslide, World Turning, etc.
Unless you count the two songs off the EP, not since Say You Will have they toured behind new music. And they've had 3 tours since then, now going on the 4th without any new music. And if they're bringing in Mike Campbell and Neil Finn and are going to start singing some Tom Petty songs for reasons I truly don't understand, then of course people are going to be tempted to call them a cover band.
And this is coming from someone who's never really minded 'greatest hits tours' as much as a lot of other people. I understand that that's the norm for those big, classic bands when they're older.

[NotonRodeo]

I don't understand why they would do Tom Petty songs, or why Mike Campbell fans would want to attend a Fleetwood Mac concert just for that dubious experience. How would people feel if Mick and John started touring with the Heartbreakers playing Dreams?

[Storms123]

I don't understand why they would do Tom Petty songs, or why Mike Campbell fans would want to attend a Fleetwood Mac concert just for that dubious experience. How would people feel if Mick and John started touring with the Heartbreakers playing Dreams?

100% spot on...most wouldn’t

[dontlookdown]

Most people I know who are big Petty fans are also big FM fans. And the idea of any of the musicians playing together is a fantasy come true.
(I showed up at Stevie’s first two tours because it meant being able to see her sing with Benmont Tench and Roy Bittan).
They also tend to be big music people or musicians themselves.
I don’t think they feel like anything has to be categorized or rigid.
Look what’s happened to the remaining members of the Grateful Dead.
They keep on playing because they like to play. New music or not.
Gigsters keep on playing until they can’t anymore.
Bonnie Raitt has never stopped. Until now while she’s going through treatment for a health problem
I’m sure she’ll be back on the road soon.

If this band followed rules imposed on them by rigid closed-minded fans, they’d all be pretty miserable. And they would lose interest in making music on their own terms.

It’s like Joni Mitchell once said “it’s like telling Van Gogh to paint another Starry Night, man”.

[DashingDan]

Do you mean, like a cover band would do?

Don't Dream It's Over...

Alas, it BE over.

No be best

[annabellee]

It’s like Joni Mitchell once said “it’s like telling Van Gogh to paint another Starry Night, man”.

Would Bob Dylan tell Van Gogh to paint another Starry Night?

[Dr.Brown]

Well, would Van Gogh say "Nee" to Bob Dylan?
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[iamnotafraid]

Well, would Van Gogh say "Nee" to Bob Dylan?
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Would Van Gogh cut off everyone's ears so they
wouldn't have to listen to this cover band?

[SisterNightroad]

Would Van Gogh cut off his own other ear so that he wouldn't have to listen to anymore rubbish?

[SteveMacD]

Cover band? LOL! The first song the band ever played live was an Elmore James cover. We’re going to get puritanical now?

But let’s go with that premise that playing songs like DDIO or any TPATH songs Mike had a hand in writing are covers… They were still a cover band that first show for playing “The Supernatural.” They remained a cover band whenever they played “Get Like You Used To Be,” “Don’t Let Me Down Again,” “Stand Back,” and “Go Insane.”

Not to mention that most albums prior to Rumours had actual covers. The Elmore James stuff, the early rock stuff, “Roadrunner,” “For Your Love,” “Blue Letter,” and even after Rumours, there was “Farmer’s Daughter,” “Cool Water,”’ “Can’t Help Falling In Love,” “Roll With Me Henry,” “Winds of Change,” “Nothing Without You” (a 1975 Delaney Bramlett song that Bekka changed a line on to make it gender neutral), and “Love Minus Zero/No Limit” (which also begs all the Stones covers Lindsey has done since OOTC).

[WatchChain]

I don't understand why they would do Tom Petty songs, or why Mike Campbell fans would want to attend a Fleetwood Mac concert just for that dubious experience. How would people feel if Mick and John started touring with the Heartbreakers playing Dreams?

Well said! If I buy tickets to a Crowded House show, I'm not interested in hearing "Second Hand News".

[HomerMcvie]

Would Van Gogh cut off his own other ear so that he wouldn't have to listen to anymore rubbish?

If he had any sense, he would.

[chiliD]

Ok, by special request, I'm here.


"Cover band"?? So what?

Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers were pretty much a cover band....look how many tunes they played in concert from artists like the Yardbirds, the Kinks, the Animals, Them, Cbuck Berry, the Rolling Stones, Thunderclap Newman, John Lee Hooker, Booker T & The MG's, the Traveling Wilburys...and, Fleetwood Mac (among dozens & dozens of others)...and all those bands did covers as well.

Stevie's covered at least TWO Tom Petty tunes (not counting "Stop Draggin'....") in concert and on album. So, with Mike Campbell in the band now, of COURSE they're going to play a Tom Petty tune or two...my guess is the obvious ones, "I Need To Know" & "Free Fallin'"

EVERY band covers other people...it's a NORMAL thing. Especially, bands who have many personnel changes, the next in line play songs by previous personnel.

And, again, Fleetwood Mac has had 18 members (11 guitarists) and your world is ending because ONE of them isn't in the band anymore?

JEZZZZUSSSSS people pull your heads out, take a valium, smoke a joint, whatever your vice is & get it together.

There's new blood in Fleetwood Mac...not like it hasn't happened before. When Lindsey & Stevie joined they were incarnation #10, TEN!! Personnel changes are a Fleetwood Mac fact of life! The aboration is that they've gone as long as they have without one.

Buckingham is a musician, he was planning a solo tour & album and guess what? He'll keep making music. Just not with Fleetwood Mac. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. In fact, he'll probably be MORE prolific now that he doesn't have to compromise with the rest of the band.

As SteveMacD pointed out...even Lindsey & Stevie had to "pay their dues" by doing songs by previous Fleetwood Mac members...I don't recall people slashing their wrists or going on verbal tirades because of it. Grow TF UP!!!

Fleetwood Mac is dead....LONG LIVE FLEETWOOD MAC!!!

[NotonRodeo]

Wow. I didn't know so many detested the Rumours line up, or at least regarded the Lindsey years as somehow lesser than the Time and BTM years. Something must be wrong with my ears.

And I don't particularly like to be told what to do by total strangers.

Enjoy your cover band.

[NotonRodeo]

And anyone who thinks that Fleetwood Mac has any life left to it "going forward" a la Mick seems to be oblivious to the limits of human existence. I do not envy them such ignorance.

[chiliD]

I will, thank you. Enjoy your therapy sessions.

[dreamsunwind]

All the other FM 'incarnations' lasted an average of 3 years and did not generate 1/16th of the icon status and fame as the Rumours lineup. That's the lineup that existed for roughly 40 years, sold millions upon millions of albums, made the music that people grew up with, went on world tour after world tour, achieved incomparable levels of fame and success and won the hearts of the public.
I don't mean to discredit the other lineups and their members, but people really need to stop acting as if the name 'Fleetwood Mac' is not essentially defined by the Rumours lineup to just about everyone in the world except for those snobby "Peter Green only" people.

[TrueFaith77]

chiliD is Mac-fan royalty.

I respect, and learn from, his every post.

If I didn't already dislike Mike Campbell and Neil Finn, I would be more open-minded.

Unlike most people, I really enjoy BTM and Time.

I'm curious if chiliD would prefer Jeremy, Peter, Rick, Billy being asked to return to these new members, as I would, but chili's point is: the show goes on with the mac; let's hope they make good music.

But then I hear Don't Dream It's Over in my head and throw up in my mouth.

[SteveMacD]

Buckingham is a musician, he was planning a solo tour & album and guess what? He'll keep making music. Just not with Fleetwood Mac.

And, it’s not like that was in the cards.

Wow. I didn't know so many detested the Rumours line up, or at least regarded the Lindsey years as somehow lesser than the Time and BTM years. Something must be wrong with my ears.

I don’t think anyone said they detested the Rumours band. We can appreciate it all. However, Fleetwood Mac was a great band prior to 1975 and had a few great moments after 1987. Honestly, though, “Tusk” was the last great album they made. The various incarnations keep it interesting, as the Fleetwood Mac channel is proving.

[jbrownsjr]

I will, thank you. Enjoy your therapy sessions.

Chili!!! let's do a new track listing for Tusk. What's your opening tune again?? :lol::lol:

[bombaysaffires]

I know it's easier for everyone to put things in black or white categories, like everyone upset by this change is just someone resistant to change, or unaware of the band's history, etc etc etc. Or, you hate Lindsey, you hate Stevie, blah blah.

That's not the case for me or most other people. It's NOT that the band changed, it's that one of the members was booted out against their stated wish. It's that the publicly given rationale by the band is so apparently bogus-- because if indeed those were the requirements for kicking people out (you have to be willing to do what the majority of the rest of the band wants to do when they want to do it) they would have had a lot more changes of the 5. First off, when has this band ever been on the same page at the same time about stuff? Mick and Lindsey have even sort of joked about that in interviews of the last decade or so, comparing how different they are to bands like the Eagles who all agree on what they're doing and why. It's also partly that various other members have clearly met those requirements (i.e. Stevie not wanting to record, not wanting to tour, when all 3, and then all 4 of the other members clearly wanted to over the last decade or more) and yet were NOT kicked out.

It's also that this formulation of the band is much nearer to the finale of their time on big tours than Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Bob Welch etc ever were when they left. They were all in their 20s or 30s. This bunch is in their 70s. Some have already battled serious illnesses. Several of the current 5 referred to this coming tour as their 'farewell tour' of the Rumours lineup, and now rather than going out with glory they are going out with this messed up cloud over their heads. If the five had bowed out gracefully and then various members decided to reconfigure with new people, I think everyone would be excited about that. It's a bit like putting lipstick on a pig right now and hoping no one notices. :shrug:

[sodascouts]

Ok, by special request, I'm here.


"Cover band"?? So what?

Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers were pretty much a cover band....look how many tunes they played in concert from artists like the Yardbirds, the Kinks, the Animals, Them, Cbuck Berry, the Rolling Stones, Thunderclap Newman, John Lee Hooker, Booker T & The MG's, the Traveling Wilburys...and, Fleetwood Mac (among dozens & dozens of others)...and all those bands did covers as well.

Stevie's covered at least TWO Tom Petty tunes (not counting "Stop Draggin'....") in concert and on album. So, with Mike Campbell in the band now, of COURSE they're going to play a Tom Petty tune or two...my guess is the obvious ones, "I Need To Know" & "Free Fallin'"

EVERY band covers other people...it's a NORMAL thing. Especially, bands who have many personnel changes, the next in line play songs by previous personnel.

And, again, Fleetwood Mac has had 18 members (11 guitarists) and your world is ending because ONE of them isn't in the band anymore?

JEZZZZUSSSSS people pull your heads out, take a valium, smoke a joint, whatever your vice is & get it together.

There's new blood in Fleetwood Mac...not like it hasn't happened before. When Lindsey & Stevie joined they were incarnation #10, TEN!! Personnel changes are a Fleetwood Mac fact of life! The aboration is that they've gone as long as they have without one.

Buckingham is a musician, he was planning a solo tour & album and guess what? He'll keep making music. Just not with Fleetwood Mac. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. In fact, he'll probably be MORE prolific now that he doesn't have to compromise with the rest of the band.

As SteveMacD pointed out...even Lindsey & Stevie had to "pay their dues" by doing songs by previous Fleetwood Mac members...I don't recall people slashing their wrists or going on verbal tirades because of it. Grow TF UP!!!

Fleetwood Mac is dead....LONG LIVE FLEETWOOD MAC!!!

um... good to see you posting again?

I recognize that this band has the right to call itself Fleetwood Mac.

For some, Fleetwood Mac is their favorite band no matter who is in it. They see it as an entity to which they are loyal, like a country or a church.

I, however, do not consider all the incarnations of Fleetwood Mac to be equal. I think about it in terms of the music. If the band is not making music that I enjoy, it is no longer my favorite band.

Without Lindsey, the Fleetwood Mac that I love is over. As Mick himself stated, this is a "new band" now, and I will never hear my favorite incarnation play together again. That is something I am sad about, and I don't think that's terribly irrational or ridiculous.

The fact that it all went down in such an ignominious fashion is the other half of this, which makes the event not only sorrowful but also disgraceful.... the wrong that was done to Lindsey. It's not the end of the world, but it sure ticks me off.

[David]

We'll have to wait and see whether this new lineup remains a pickup band (playing old sets) or stirs itself creatively and records its own music, like most of the post-Peter lineups.

I bet that last year's Buckingham McVie is the last you'll all be hearing new from Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

We'll have to wait and see whether this new lineup remains a pickup band (playing old sets) or stirs itself creatively and records its own music, like most of the post-Peter lineups.

I bet that last year's Buckingham McVie is the last you'll all be hearing new from Fleetwood Mac.

Unless Lindsey and Christine would do a BuckVie II, I'd practically bet my life that there will never be another FM record.

Buck Vie is my favorite album since Mirage, so at least they went out on a high note.

And goat free!

[lovethemac1]

um... good to see you posting again?

I recognize that this band has the right to call itself Fleetwood Mac.

For some, Fleetwood Mac is their favorite band no matter who is in it. They see it as an entity to which they are loyal, like a country or a church.

I, however, do not consider all the incarnations of Fleetwood Mac to be equal. I think about it in terms of the music. If the band is not making music that I enjoy, it is no longer my favorite band.

Without Lindsey, the Fleetwood Mac that I love is over. As Mick himself stated, this is a "new band" now, and I will never hear my favorite incarnation play together again. That is something I am sad about, and I don't think that's terribly irrational or ridiculous.

The fact that it all went down in such an ignominious fashion is the other half of this, which makes the event not only sorrowful but also disgraceful.... the wrong that was done to Lindsey. It's not the end of the world, but it sure ticks me off.

This is exactly how I feel, thank you for summing it up so perfectly. I am tired of people telling me to get over it. I will when I am ready. Until then, I am angry, sad, horrified, and terribly disappointed.

[annabellee]

Unless Lindsey and Christine would do a BuckVie II, I'd practically bet my life that there will never be another FM record.

Buck Vie is my favorite album since Mirage, so at least they went out on a high note.

And goat free!

I'm a goathead - I wish Stevie was on that album so it would have been more widely heard. I like it but it has already fallen out of my regular rotation.

[elle]

I'm a goathead - I wish Stevie was on that album so it would have been more widely heard. I like it but it has already fallen out of my regular rotation.

:xoxo::xoxo: :laugh::laugh::wavey:

[button-lip]

Unless Lindsey and Christine would do a BuckVie II, I'd practically bet my life that there will never be another FM record.

Buck Vie is my favorite album since Mirage, so at least they went out on a high note.

And goat free!

Same here. Stevie is too lazy now to do a new album, no matter how much she hates Lindsey and how much she wants to prove him she's the boss. She only wants to dance around her house and be happy. :laugh:

[sodascouts]

I can see her handing the band some old demos and giving Mike Campbell some old poems for him to put to music. Then, she could come in to the studio for a few afternoons to lay down vocal tracks. If it didn't require much effort on her part, and everyone was very careful not to make her feel uncomfortable or challenged in any way, it could still happen.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm a goathead - I wish Stevie was on that album so it would have been more widely heard. I like it but it has already fallen out of my regular rotation.

:xoxo:

Believe it or not, I wish that Stevie had been on it too, ONLY because it might have actually got some radio play with her. It's such a fun album.

[dreamsunwind]

:xoxo:

Believe it or not, I wish that Stevie had been on it too, ONLY because it might have actually got some radio play with her. It's such a fun album.

IA. It reminds me a lot of Mirage for some reason, I don't know why exactly, just the sound of it is mostly fun and lighthearted and twinkly in that way Mirage was. At first I was convinced the album wasn't going to be that good because I didn't really like the three singles they released for promotion, especially the Lindsey songs, and I thought he might overproduce it like some of the songs on SYW but I was really pleasantly surprised by it. I loved all of the other songs, they were all just sunny and sparkly and nice to listen to.

I bet Stevie was totally convinced that he would go overboard on the production and that she wouldn't end up liking the album which I think is a big part of why she didn't want to do it. But I bet after she listened to it she thought it was actually quite good and she probably would have liked to have been on it had she known that's how it would've come out. And I think that only added to her being upset/jealous about the album.

[HomerMcvie]

IA. It reminds me a lot of Mirage for some reason, I don't know why exactly, just the sound of it is mostly fun and lighthearted and twinkly in that way Mirage was. At first I was convinced the album wasn't going to be that good because I didn't really like the three singles they released for promotion, especially the Lindsey songs, and I thought he might overproduce it like some of the songs on SYW but I was really pleasantly surprised by it. I loved all of the other songs, they were all just sunny and sparkly and nice to listen to.

I bet Stevie was totally convinced that he would go overboard on the production and that she wouldn't end up liking the album which I think is a big part of why she didn't want to do it. But I bet after she listened to it she thought it was actually quite good and she probably would have liked to have been on it had she known that's how it would've come out. And I think that only added to her being upset/jealous about the album.

To me, it really is Mirage, part II. Both were simple, fun, catchy albums.

If it's the last fm record, so be it. Beats the hell out of SYW!

[lennonfan]

To me, it really is Mirage, part II. Both were simple, fun, catchy albums.

If it's the last fm record, so be it. Beats the hell out of SYW!

oh yes x 1000.
This really seems like a death, and death is never pretty. You may want to dress it up and have it flow like you want, but you're still gonna lose what you love. Such is life.

I'm getting beat over the head with commercials for their shows on tv and the radio. I get nausea every time I hear them. Had it been the fab 5, I would be smiling every time I heard those....

Lindsey wanted a new studio album. She did not. impasse. goodbye Lindsey.

[BlanketMan]

I don't know about anyone else, but my definition of a "cover band" is, generally speaking, any time a different lead singer is performing a well-known song. So if the new Mac sings Don't Dream It's Over, with Neil Finn singing, they're not a cover band; if they perform some Tom Petty songs with Finn (or anyone else) singing, then they're a cover band. Or when they sing Lindsey's songs = cover band. When they perform Stevie and Chris's songs? Not a cover band. Things get complicated on tunes like The Chain or Don't Stop, though! :confused:

So, I'd love to see NuMac perform a few Finn tunes, like I Got You or Message to My Girl. Seems pretty unlikely, though.

[SteveMacD]

I don't know about anyone else, but my definition of a "cover band" is, generally speaking, any time a different lead singer is performing a well-known song.

The only time I would refer to something as a cover band is if there isn’t anyone in the band connected to the original song. Like on GYOW. Mick, John, Christine, and Stevie are still there, and they were all on the original. Even when Stevie did “Don’t Stop” with her solo band, I wouldn’t consider that a cover, since she was on the original.

[elle]

I don't know about anyone else, but my definition of a "cover band" is, generally speaking, any time a different lead singer is performing a well-known song. So if the new Mac sings Don't Dream It's Over, with Neil Finn singing, they're not a cover band; if they perform some Tom Petty songs with Finn (or anyone else) singing, then they're a cover band. Or when they sing Lindsey's songs = cover band. When they perform Stevie and Chris's songs? Not a cover band. Things get complicated on tunes like The Chain or Don't Stop, though! :confused:

:laugh::]

so if you look on setlist.fm for example for the eagles, if they do a solo Walsh or Henley song, that's listed as a cover. even though it's the same singer. if stevie nicks does a solo concert and sings Rhiannon, that's listed as FM cover. if FM does Stand Back, it's listed as Stevie Nicks cover.

so if they sing any Petty, Crowded House, Neil Finn, Dirty Knobs, or Stevie and Christine solo songs, those will all be covers.

since they still call themselves FM, any era FM songs would not be listed as covers on setlist.fm.

[elle]

The only time I would refer to something as a cover band is if there isn’t anyone in the band connected to the original song. Like on GYOW. Mick, John, Christine, and Stevie are still there, and they were all on the original. Even when Stevie did “Don’t Stop” with her solo band, I wouldn’t consider that a cover, since she was on the original.

see below. that's a cover. Stevie doing Landslide with her solo band, also cover.

any band under the name FM, even with 0 original members, performing GYOW is not a cover.

LB solo performing GYOW is FM cover. ;):woohoo:

[iamnotafraid]

Just saw Mike Campbell play a bit of "World Turning" and
"Rhiannon" on YouTube. The channel is Normans Rare Guitars.

Titled Mike Campbell & Jason Sinay - 1950 Supro & 1965 Gibson.

[SteveMacD]

see below. that's a cover. Stevie doing Landslide with her solo band, also cover.

any band under the name FM, even with 0 original members, performing GYOW is not a cover.

LB solo performing GYOW is FM cover. ;):woohoo:

Yeah, I’m sticking with my definition. It’s much simpler.

Think about it. What about songs like GLYUTB, Crystal, Stand Back, and DLMDA which were redone by the band in some form and released on official FM albums? Do they cross over into also being Fleetwood Mac songs? So, when Billy did DLMDA in 1987, was it a BN cover, or just him singing a FM song?

[David]

I can see her handing the band some old demos and giving Mike Campbell some old poems for him to put to music. Then, she could come in to the studio for a few afternoons to lay down vocal tracks. If it didn't require much effort on her part, and everyone was very careful not to make her feel uncomfortable or challenged in any way, it could still happen.Yeah, good point, Nancy. Stevie could enjoy cutting the album because the atmosphere would be very supportive of Stevie in every facet. But doesn't she still feel that a new album would get passed around for free online and wouldn't make any dent in the charts? I think that commerciality angle would keep Stevie averse to doing a new album--at least that's what she's hinted at in the recent past.