Goodbye Lindsey, I hardly knew ya

[mitzo]

So Lindsey has been fired from FM, they say. A sad reality for FM fans to face and I will never really understand why it happened. Maybe it isn't even my business, but anyway. It will really change the sound of the band live or (tiny remote miniscule possibility) in the studio. Lindsey, your producing was amazing. From Tusk through to SYW you took the girls' (or girl's) songs and made them real works of art. But I must say, I never liked your own music very much. Always skippables, rather annoying diversions from the juicy songs from Stevie and Christine, to me and any friends I have who are into FM at all. You sure took up a lot of space on TITN and SYW and those albums feel like Lindsey solo albums made into FM albums, maybe when you realized your own solo albums would not sell or the labels were reluctant to work with you? Even on Buckingham McVie you was really into yourself musically. I downloaded Christine's songs from that one, anyway, you obviously brought a lot of life to them. So, goodbye Lindsey and thanks for the magnificent legacy which lives on in Christine and Stevie's songs on FM albums. Unless you return to FM in a studio, though, we will probably never meet again, buddy.

[ryan4136]

So Lindsey has been fired from FM, they say. A sad reality for FM fans to face and I will never really understand why it happened. Maybe it isn't even my business, but anyway. It will really change the sound of the band live or (tiny remote miniscule possibility) in the studio. Lindsey, your producing was amazing. From Tusk through to SYW you took the girls' (or girl's) songs and made them real works of art. But I must say, I never liked your own music very much. Always skippables, rather annoying diversions from the juicy songs from Stevie and Christine, to me and any friends I have who are into FM at all. You sure took up a lot of space on TITN and SYW and those albums feel like Lindsey solo albums made into FM albums, maybe when you realized your own solo albums would not sell or the labels were reluctant to work with you? Even on Buckingham McVie you was really into yourself musically. I downloaded Christine's songs from that one, anyway, you obviously brought a lot of life to them. So, goodbye Lindsey and thanks for the magnificent legacy which lives on in Christine and Stevie's songs on FM albums. Unless you return to FM in a studio, though, we will probably never meet again, buddy.

There's always a minority opinion on every topic.

[sasja]

There's always a minority opinion on every topic.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Evidently!

[WatchChain]

I have been primarily a Stevie Nicks fan, but I don’t defend her in the face of wrong decisions. Even in my love for Stevie, I will proclaim that Lindsey Buckingham is one of the greatest guitarist/producers in the history of rock n roll. He is the mastermind behind what has become known as the classic Fleetwood Mac sound. Without him, Fleetwood Mac becomes bland and uninspired (reference 87-90). Moreover, if you cannot hear inspiring perfection in iconic tunes like “Never Going Back Again”, “Second Hand News”, “I Know I’m Not Wrong” and “Big Love”, you may be missing an ear for good music. The dismissal of Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac is a musical crime. Shame! I wish the current lineup no ill will, but the decision makers have made a disastrous mistake. #WhoAreYouPeople?

[jwd]

So Lindsey has been fired from FM, they say. A sad reality for FM fans to face and I will never really understand why it happened. Maybe it isn't even my business, but anyway. It will really change the sound of the band live or (tiny remote miniscule possibility) in the studio. Lindsey, your producing was amazing. From Tusk through to SYW you took the girls' (or girl's) songs and made them real works of art. But I must say, I never liked your own music very much. Always skippables, rather annoying diversions from the juicy songs from Stevie and Christine, to me and any friends I have who are into FM at all. You sure took up a lot of space on TITN and SYW and those albums feel like Lindsey solo albums made into FM albums, maybe when you realized your own solo albums would not sell or the labels were reluctant to work with you? Even on Buckingham McVie you was really into yourself musically. I downloaded Christine's songs from that one, anyway, you obviously brought a lot of life to them. So, goodbye Lindsey and thanks for the magnificent legacy which lives on in Christine and Stevie's songs on FM albums. Unless you return to FM in a studio, though, we will probably never meet again, buddy.

Ha, I plan on seeing him in concert this year. Not so much FM. Lindsey is affordable and puts on one hell of a live show. :thumbsup: Not to mention he'll be playing NEW music!!

[button-lip]

Ha, I plan on seeing him in concert this year. Not so much FM. Lindsey is affordable and puts on one hell of a live show. :thumbsup: Not to mention he'll be playing NEW music!!

I hope he also does FM songs he hasn't done in a long time (or never!). I also hope to hear som BV songs too. Not so much for BN. :D

[Storms123]

Ha, I plan on seeing him in concert this year. Not so much FM. Lindsey is affordable and puts on one hell of a live show. :thumbsup: Not to mention he'll be playing NEW music!!

And he's a nice guy who appreciates and acknowledges his fans!

Cannot WAIT!!!

[Storms123]

I have been primarily a Stevie Nicks fan, but I don’t defend her in the face of wrong decisions. Even in my love for Stevie, I will proclaim that Lindsey Buckingham is one of the greatest guitarist/producers in the history of rock n roll. He is the mastermind behind what has become known as the classic Fleetwood Mac sound. Without him, Fleetwood Mac becomes bland and uninspired (reference 87-90). Moreover, if you cannot hear inspiring perfection in iconic tunes like “Never Going Back Again”, “Second Hand News”, “I Know I’m Not Wrong” and “Big Love”, you may be missing an ear for good music. The dismissal of Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac is a musical crime. Shame! I wish the current lineup no ill will, but the decision makers have made a disastrous mistake. #WhoAreYouPeople?

Really well said! Thank you

[dreamsunwind]

So Lindsey has been fired from FM, they say. A sad reality for FM fans to face and I will never really understand why it happened. Maybe it isn't even my business, but anyway. It will really change the sound of the band live or (tiny remote miniscule possibility) in the studio. Lindsey, your producing was amazing. From Tusk through to SYW you took the girls' (or girl's) songs and made them real works of art. But I must say, I never liked your own music very much. Always skippables, rather annoying diversions from the juicy songs from Stevie and Christine, to me and any friends I have who are into FM at all. You sure took up a lot of space on TITN and SYW and those albums feel like Lindsey solo albums made into FM albums, maybe when you realized your own solo albums would not sell or the labels were reluctant to work with you? Even on Buckingham McVie you was really into yourself musically. I downloaded Christine's songs from that one, anyway, you obviously brought a lot of life to them. So, goodbye Lindsey and thanks for the magnificent legacy which lives on in Christine and Stevie's songs on FM albums. Unless you return to FM in a studio, though, we will probably never meet again, buddy.

And to me and to just about everyone I know who's into Fleetwood Mac at all, that couldn't be farther from the truth!

[dreamsunwind]

I have been primarily a Stevie Nicks fan, but I don’t defend her in the face of wrong decisions. Even in my love for Stevie, I will proclaim that Lindsey Buckingham is one of the greatest guitarist/producers in the history of rock n roll. He is the mastermind behind what has become known as the classic Fleetwood Mac sound. Without him, Fleetwood Mac becomes bland and uninspired (reference 87-90). Moreover, if you cannot hear inspiring perfection in iconic tunes like “Never Going Back Again”, “Second Hand News”, “I Know I’m Not Wrong” and “Big Love”, you may be missing an ear for good music. The dismissal of Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac is a musical crime. Shame! I wish the current lineup no ill will, but the decision makers have made a disastrous mistake. #WhoAreYouPeople?

I 100% agree.
And love that you specifically named I Know I'm Not Wrong. One of my favorite Lindsey songs ever.

[dreamsunwind]

And he's a nice guy who appreciates and acknowledges his fans!

Cannot WAIT!!!

Lindsey's actually so nice to fans. I was honestly surprised by all of the countless fan encounter stories I've heard. I don't know why I just wouldn't have expected it from him? According to just about everyone who interacted with/met him at shows as well as just random encounters and things like that, he's very open and approachable. He actually chats with the people and isn't afraid to get close to them.

[BombaySapphire3]

Lindsey's actually so nice to fans. I was honestly surprised by all of the countless fan encounter stories I've heard. I don't know why I just wouldn't have expected it from him? According to just about everyone who interacted with/met him at shows as well as just random encounters and things like that, he's very open and approachable. He actually chats with the people and isn't afraid to get close to them.

I have also heard this from anyone who has ever had an encounter with him as fans. That he is warm approachable and down to earth .One girl I want to a show with years ago actually cried when she met him and he smiled and said "but will you still love me tomorrow"?

[iamnotafraid]

Lindsey's actually so nice to fans.


I very much agree. And I never would have
guessed he'd be that way. I'd have placed
money on the opposite.

[AncientQueen]

But I must say, I never liked your own music very much. Always skippables, rather annoying diversions from the juicy songs from Stevie and Christine, to me and any friends I have who are into FM at all. You sure took up a lot of space on TITN and SYW and those albums feel like Lindsey solo albums made into FM albums, maybe when you realized your own solo albums would not sell or the labels were reluctant to work with you?
I'm not into Lindseys songs that much, too, BUT - you are vastly underrating him for FM here. Imho he had so many songs on the albums because without them, the albums wouldn't have happened at all. Christine writes for a project, she does 3 or 4 good tracks - that's it. All Stevie has to offer for decades now are old demos, and she plundered whatever she had thoroughly for her solo recordings. So Lindseys work of art has not been putting his songs on FM, but rather bringing out the best in Christine, dusting off Stevies tired old leftovers, making it all sound like a band AND kicking their lazy asses into the studio for a start. He may or may not have always been successful in his artistic visions at all times, but the results we listen to come from HIS hard work and his alone. Egomaniac or not, he made FM happen, from Tusk on.

And that makes firing him such a betrayal, the band absolutely relied on his talents, his commitment and his devotion for decades. And suddenly he is just another former guitar player, because changing guitar players is the legacy of the band. Pass me the vomit bucket, please.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm not into Lindseys songs that much, too, BUT - you are vastly underrating him for FM here. Imho he had so many songs on the albums because without them, the albums wouldn't have happened at all. Christine writes for a project, she does 3 or 4 good tracks - that's it. All Stevie has to offer for decades now are old demos, and she plundered whatever she had thoroughly for her solo recordings. So Lindseys work of art has not been putting his songs on FM, but rather bringing out the best in Christine, dusting off Stevies tired old leftovers, making it all sound like a band AND kicking their lazy asses into the studio for a start. He may or may not have always been successful in his artistic visions at all times, but the results we listen to come from HIS hard work and his alone. Egomaniac or not, he made FM happen, from Tusk on.

And that makes firing him such a betrayal, the band absolutely relied on his talents, his commitment and his devotion for decades. And suddenly he is just another former guitar player, because changing guitar players is the legacy of the band. Pass me the vomit bucket, please.

I agree with every single word.

Hands down, this is the biggest f*ckup this band has EVER made(and that's saying something).

Mick thinks the sun rises and sets in Stevie's ass... but Mick's a blooming f*cking IDIOT!

[mitzo]

I'm not into Lindseys songs that much, too, BUT - you are vastly underrating him for FM here. Imho he had so many songs on the albums because without them, the albums wouldn't have happened at all. Christine writes for a project, she does 3 or 4 good tracks - that's it. All Stevie has to offer for decades now are old demos, and she plundered whatever she had thoroughly for her solo recordings. So Lindseys work of art has not been putting his songs on FM, but rather bringing out the best in Christine, dusting off Stevies tired old leftovers, making it all sound like a band AND kicking their lazy asses into the studio for a start. He may or may not have always been successful in his artistic visions at all times, but the results we listen to come from HIS hard work and his alone. Egomaniac or not, he made FM happen, from Tusk on.

And that makes firing him such a betrayal, the band absolutely relied on his talents, his commitment and his devotion for decades. And suddenly he is just another former guitar player, because changing guitar players is the legacy of the band. Pass me the vomit bucket, please.

I agree with you on this and my point was just that I never cared for him as a songwriter, and he did brilliant work in the studio 100%. I just always have ignored his songs on FM albums in favour of the great stuff he did for the girls' compositions.

[secondhandchain]

So Lindsey has been fired from FM, they say. A sad reality for FM fans to face and I will never really understand why it happened. Maybe it isn't even my business, but anyway. It will really change the sound of the band live or (tiny remote miniscule possibility) in the studio. Lindsey, your producing was amazing. From Tusk through to SYW you took the girls' (or girl's) songs and made them real works of art. But I must say, I never liked your own music very much. Always skippables, rather annoying diversions from the juicy songs from Stevie and Christine, to me and any friends I have who are into FM at all. You sure took up a lot of space on TITN and SYW and those albums feel like Lindsey solo albums made into FM albums, maybe when you realized your own solo albums would not sell or the labels were reluctant to work with you? Even on Buckingham McVie you was really into yourself musically. I downloaded Christine's songs from that one, anyway, you obviously brought a lot of life to them. So, goodbye Lindsey and thanks for the magnificent legacy which lives on in Christine and Stevie's songs on FM albums. Unless you return to FM in a studio, though, we will probably never meet again, buddy.

Skippables? No and No Any friends i know that are into FM think LB is the bomb.

[elle]

There's always a minority opinion on every topic.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Evidently!

Ha, I plan on seeing him in concert this year. Not so much FM. Lindsey is affordable and puts on one hell of a live show. :thumbsup: Not to mention he'll be playing NEW music!!

And he's a nice guy who appreciates and acknowledges his fans!

Cannot WAIT!!!

Lindsey's actually so nice to fans. I was honestly surprised by all of the countless fan encounter stories I've heard. I don't know why I just wouldn't have expected it from him? According to just about everyone who interacted with/met him at shows as well as just random encounters and things like that, he's very open and approachable. He actually chats with the people and isn't afraid to get close to them.

I have also heard this from anyone who has ever had an encounter with him as fans. That he is warm approachable and down to earth .One girl I want to a show with years ago actually cried when she met him and he smiled and said "but will you still love me tomorrow"?

I very much agree. And I never would have
guessed he'd be that way. I'd have placed
money on the opposite.

i love how all these "hate" threads started as anti-LB proclamations end up turning into a lovefest towards Lindsey for everything he's done for the band and the fans - whether on stage, in studio, and like in this thread's case private encounters with fans.

[SisterNightroad]

Mitzo isn't the only one in the world that doesn't especially like Lindsey's songs. When last year I made my bestfriend listen to Buckingham McVie she liked only Christine's songs (except for Feel About You that she hated) and said that Lindsey's songs "didn't tell her anything" while for me surprisingly it was the opposite.

[dreamsunwind]

Mitzo isn't the only one in the world that doesn't especially like Lindsey's songs. When last year I made my bestfriend listen to Buckingham McVie she liked only Christine's songs (except for Feel About You that she hated) and said that Lindsey's songs "didn't tell her anything" while for me surprisingly it was the opposite.

Wow for me that's really the opposite. I almost always like Christine's songs mostly just because they're catchy and easy on the ears, but I rarely associate her songs with much "feeling", the way I do for Lindsey and Stevie. I guess that's just a telling of how different peoples tastes/interpretations of music are. I think Stevie's classic songs are some of the best lyrics ever, but just as many people probably think they're trite. And I think Lindsey's songs are mostly really clever and intense but to many others they're just crazy or confusing.

[HomerMcvie]

Mitzo isn't the only one in the world that doesn't especially like Lindsey's songs. When last year I made my bestfriend listen to Buckingham McVie she liked only Christine's songs (except for Feel About You that she hated) and said that Lindsey's songs "didn't tell her anything" while for me surprisingly it was the opposite.
Feel About You is such a cheese fest, that I was embarrassed to let anybody witness me listening to it. I mean, I love it, but it's cheesy AF.

[mitzo]

i love how all these "hate" threads started as anti-LB proclamations end up turning into a lovefest towards Lindsey for everything he's done for the band and the fans - whether on stage, in studio, and like in this thread's case private encounters with fans.

This started as a hate thread? Elle, get help. Please.

[SisterNightroad]

Wow for me that's really the opposite. I almost always like Christine's songs mostly just because they're catchy and easy on the ears, but I rarely associate her songs with much "feeling", the way I do for Lindsey and Stevie. I guess that's just a telling of how different peoples tastes/interpretations of music are. I think Stevie's classic songs are some of the best lyrics ever, but just as many people probably think they're trite. And I think Lindsey's songs are mostly really clever and intense but to many others they're just crazy or confusing.
I prefer Christine when she's closer to her blues roots, in fact I like less her output from Mirage onward for the same reason, I guess I didn't expect her collaboration with Lindsey to be so poppy.
However I think I have to add that my friend likes classic hard rock like Alice Cooper and Black Sabbath (she used to listen to Marilyn Manson too but thank God time -with a little bit of my help- fixed that).

Feel About You is such a cheese fest, that I was embarrassed to let anybody witness me listening to it. I mean, I love it, but it's cheesy AF.
I just listened it on my headphones when I still had them so I wouldn't have that problem anyway, but I sometimes still sing it, in any case since noone here apart from me really knows English I'm safe.

[wondergirl9847]

Wow for me that's really the opposite. I almost always like Christine's songs mostly just because they're catchy and easy on the ears, but I rarely associate her songs with much "feeling", the way I do for Lindsey and Stevie. I guess that's just a telling of how different peoples tastes/interpretations of music are. I think Stevie's classic songs are some of the best lyrics ever, but just as many people probably think they're trite. And I think Lindsey's songs are mostly really clever and intense but to many others they're just crazy or confusing.

I always see Christine as "I write songs."

I see Lindsey and Stevie as [/INTENSE STARING] "I write poems and melodies with structure and depth. The amount of time I spend doing this is more than most people spend on a 9-5 job because my brain is constantly thinking of words, melodies and guitar parts." :laugh:

I think I mentioned in a post recently that Stevie's words may be pretty and poetic at times, but I connect with Lindsey's moreso because of his simplicity. They have ALL written crap, but overall, their music is amazing and I love it. Danny Kirwan is included in this too, as I love his stuff. He was pretty flowery at times too. I always say Steve and Lindsey are a great mix of Danny. :)

This is why debating who is the BEST writer, singer, etc. in the band is stupid. LOL We ALL love someone different for various reasons. Some of us love When I See You Again...some hate it. Meh. There's enough output for all of us to get some goodies.

All that said...I am PEEVED to high heaven right now with this situation. :mad:

[dreamsunwind]

I always see Christine as "I write songs."

I see Lindsey and Stevie as [/INTENSE STARING] "I write poems and melodies with structure and depth. The amount of time I spend doing this is more than most people spend on a 9-5 job because my brain is constantly thinking of words, melodies and guitar parts." :laugh:

I think I mentioned in a post recently that Stevie's words may be pretty and poetic at times, but I connect with Lindsey's moreso because of his simplicity. They have ALL written crap, but overall, their music is amazing and I love it. Danny Kirwan is included in this too, as I love his stuff. He was pretty flowery at times too. I always say Steve and Lindsey are a great mix of Danny. :)

This is why debating who is the BEST writer, singer, etc. in the band is stupid. LOL We ALL love someone different for various reasons. Some of us love When I See You Again...some hate it. Meh. There's enough output for all of us to get some goodies.

All that said...I am PEEVED to high heaven right now with this situation. :mad:

Totally agree with this. In general I tend to get more drawn in by Stevie's poetic lyrics especially during her prime (1975-Bella Donna imo), but I think Lindsey's lyrics are underrated. Maybe because he himself has always said he's not much of a writer, but I think he's always been very good at having super simple lyrics that portray something in a very subtle, clever way. Like Tusk the song. How I see it is that it's all about an affair, but from the perspective of a third party warning the man's wife/girlfriend about it. It's just very smartly done if you ask me. And like Never Going Back Again, 'you don't know what it means to win', so simple and effective.

[button-lip]

This started as a hate thread? Elle, get help. Please.

The thread’s title isn’t exactly a love fest. What’s the point of starting a thread just to say you never liked Lindsey’s songs. I never liked many of Stevie’s songs and I don’t need to start a thread for everybody to know that.

Besides,you’re saying you liked his work on Stevie and Christine’s songs but you say you “hardly knew him”?

[elle]

The thread’s title isn’t exactly a love fest. What’s the point of starting a thread just to say you never liked Lindsey’s songs. I never liked many of Stevie’s songs and I don’t need to start a thread for everybody to know that.

Besides,you’re saying you liked his work on Stevie and Christine’s work but you say you “hardly knew him”?

lol yeah the thread title is basically saying - couldn't wait to get rid of ya!

#lovefest

[mitzo]

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[jbrownsjr]

I'm really going to miss LB. Glad we get solo stuff.. but really wanted an album with the fireflies..

Still in shock he's gone. :(

[dreamsunwind]

I'm really going to miss LB. Glad we get solo stuff.. but really wanted an album with the fireflies..

Still in shock he's gone. :(

Definitely in shock...I just can't believe that this happened, and that it happened right at the end of their careers. I know this band has its issues-- EVERY band has their issues, but for it to end up like this :distress:

[SteveMacD]

The biggest complaint I have of Lindsey is his constant psychobabble as banter. Like, dude, just STFU and play. We don’t need a recap of what you discussed with your therapist. Did every tour have to be about healing or coming to terms with something? Just grab your crotch, tell the world The Eagles can suck it, and bang out IKINW. THAT’S how you do rock!

[David]

The biggest complaint I have of Lindsey is his constant psychobabble as banter. Like, dude, just STFU and play. We don’t need a recap of what you discussed with your therapist. Did every tour have to be about healing or coming to terms with something? Just grab your crotch, tell the world The Eagles can suck it, and bang out IKINW. THAT’S how you do rock!
I concur. Lindsey treats every stage show and every interview as an opportunity to express his innermost New Age spirituality and holism. Sometimes I think the eye-rolling emoticon was especially invented as a crowd response to a Lindsey Buckingham concert speech.

Some of you guys are talking about how compelling the two new guys might be in Fleetwood Mac. Mike Campbell is ace as the Heartbreakers guitarist, of course, but I can't talk about the other guy. However, I think Fleetwood Mac (or what's left of it) is going to blunt the appeal that these guys have historically. It happened in 1987 on tour. Vito and Burnette didn't sing lead on any new song from Tango (they could have easily done Big Love). I know they sang several Green songs (Oh Well, Rattlesnake Shake, I Loved Another Woman), and those were some of the high points. But in general, those two felt very underused on that tour. It was like half the band was the real deal, and half the band was the pickup band.

Mick Fleetwood and Stevie are just as likely this year to underuse the new guys. You might go to the concert hoping for full-scale work from both of them, and come away disappointed at the band's inability or unwillingness to incorporate them fully into the stage show. You guys who love Neil Finn's past work are not going to hear it at the Fleetwood Mac concert. Don't kid yourselves. I can't imagine Mick deciding that old Crowded House songs should now be potentially incorporated into FM's storied sets. The new guys will unfortunately be treated on this tour like pickups.

[HomerMcvie]

I'd bet on more than one Stevie solo song, too.

After all, it is her band now.

[dreamsunwind]

The biggest complaint I have of Lindsey is his constant psychobabble as banter. Like, dude, just STFU and play. We don’t need a recap of what you discussed with your therapist. Did every tour have to be about healing or coming to terms with something? Just grab your crotch, tell the world The Eagles can suck it, and bang out IKINW. THAT’S how you do rock!

To be honest, part of me is convinced that half of that stuff was actually things he did talk about with his therapist which is why he always felt the need to repeat it :laugh:

[bombaysaffires]

the funny thing is, way back when Lindsey started doing his long monologues before songs, Stevie was mortified by it.... she thought minimal talking was how you do shows, and every time he'd launch into one of his intros she would stand over by Chris and sorta cringe, and her face was always "is he done now? now? uh, now??" Now for the last however many years she's up there doing endless ramblings.....even before the Ramblin' Stevie solo tour. Maybe it's another sign of their ongoing competitiveness, you know, "If he can talk, I can talk longer!" :laugh:

[Dreamz19]

I'm really going to miss LB. Glad we get solo stuff.. but really wanted an album with the fireflies..

Still in shock he's gone. :(

Definitely in shock...I just can't believe that this happened, and that it happened right at the end of their careers. I know this band has its issues-- EVERY band has their issues, but for it to end up like this :distress:

Its absolutely pathetic what has occurred. I can't get too worked up over these rich spoiled divas, but its ridiclious that they would end the final quarter of their careers this way.

As much as I love Stevie, I'm super annoyed with her for ruining the opportunity for a final Rumours five album. I was beyond thrilled when Christine came back and I wanted to hear that album more than I wanted to see the tour.

After years of whining that she needed Christine back to do a new album, she gives a BS excuse that there is no point to recording new music because records no longer sell. Now Neil Finn says the band has been talking about recording new music, which will sell even less without Lindsey. It was always obvious that Lindsey was her real issue, but its still disappointing that such amazing opportunity to create new/final album was squandered. I'm happy Buckingham McVie was at least made.

[Dreamz19]

I have been primarily a Stevie Nicks fan, but I don’t defend her in the face of wrong decisions. Even in my love for Stevie, I will proclaim that Lindsey Buckingham is one of the greatest guitarist/producers in the history of rock n roll. He is the mastermind behind what has become known as the classic Fleetwood Mac sound. Without him, Fleetwood Mac becomes bland and uninspired (reference 87-90). Moreover, if you cannot hear inspiring perfection in iconic tunes like “Never Going Back Again”, “Second Hand News”, “I Know I’m Not Wrong” and “Big Love”, you may be missing an ear for good music. The dismissal of Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac is a musical crime. Shame! I wish the current lineup no ill will, but the decision makers have made a disastrous mistake. #WhoAreYouPeople?

Agreed. I became a fan of FM because of Stevie, but I love Lindsey and Christine just as much. I can actually find something to like in every variation of FM (even BTM and Time eras), but Lindsey was the creative force in this band and the energy of the live shows. When I took my mom to see FM on the last tour, she came along wanting to see Stevie and left being completely mesmerized by Lindsey. He will be severely missed.

[Storms123]

Agreed. I became a fan of FM because of Stevie, but I love Lindsey and Christine just as much. I can actually find something to like in every variation of FM (even BTM and Time eras), but Lindsey was the creative force in this band and the energy of the live shows. When I took my mom to see FM on the last tour, she came along wanting to see Stevie and left being completely mesmerized by Lindsey. He will be severely missed.

I actually don't believe the remaining 4 realize just how much he will be missed. Mick touting a "new band" or saying FM has always been about various incarnations of themselves is just total BS to try to deflect the reality of the situation to fans. He's completely delusional

[HomerMcvie]

Agreed. I became a fan of FM because of Stevie, but I love Lindsey and Christine just as much. I can actually find something to like in every variation of FM (even BTM and Time eras), but Lindsey was the creative force in this band and the energy of the live shows. When I took my mom to see FM on the last tour, she came along wanting to see Stevie and left being completely mesmerized by Lindsey. He will be severely missed.

I've heard that from quite a few casual fans, who saw them for the first time. They went because of Stevie, but left, saying that Lindsey was the show, with all his energy.

Yet another reason Old Goat Breath wanted him gone.

[elle]

I actually don't believe the remaining 4 realize just how much he will be missed. Mick touting a "new band" or saying FM has always been about various incarnations of themselves is just total BS to try to deflect the reality of the situation to fans. He's completely delusional

with the original classic 4 all over 70, calling it a new band is funny and pathetic and hilarious all at the same time. :]:nod:

[Storms123]

with the original classic 4 all over 70, calling it a new band is funny and pathetic and hilarious all at the same time. :]:nod:

Whaddya mean?? They have their "new" hips, knees and teeth? Mick and John got their "new" viagra prescriptions and everyone's ready to hit the road!!

[jbrownsjr]

with the original classic 4 all over 70, calling it a new band is funny and pathetic and hilarious all at the same time. :]:nod:

It's quite pathetic, to be honest. You fired someone because of an ultimatum and business issues (logistics/branding/marketing) that followed. All this so you could continue to sign and tour for millions of dollars. That's what happened.

Stop painting it like it's a new band that you're excited to offer the fans.

Luckily for Mick, he knows most of the fans don't care who plays in the band. They want hits. The promoters want hits. $tevie Nick$ will twirl, he'll make faces and they will do this all behind the mask. (pun intended). They will even package the blues FMac in there for the die hard that might be swayed.

What's glaring to me.. and not mentioned often... Is the fact that they mentioned possibly recording with this line-up. That screams of $tevie's hatred of working with Buckingham. And of course her pointed comment about not playing pre-B/N tunes due to a certain member. (classless as usual $tevie)

On a positive note: I'm glad we got BuckVie. I think it's an amazing little album. It demonstrated just how good the four instrumentalists are as a core, and as a team. The chemistry is still there and very tight.

But at what cost. For those of you that believe $tevie was bothered by them doing this album, I agree 100%. There were a few quotes both from $tevie and McVie about her feelings on the album. Christine said something like, "I played it for her and she liked it." And then said something sarcastic. $tevie said she certainly didn't understand the premise. And went into her album $ales speech.

And this is going to sound a bit crazy; but, I didn't see any excitement in Mick during the BuckVie documentary. I heard the words coming out his mouth about how amazing it was for those two to be recording together.. but my spidey sense detected he was a bit uncomfortable with it.

I will say he and John sound amazing on the record. The more I listen to this record, the more I admire it's brevity and sparse arrangements. The vocals are superb and very pleasing to my ears. The two of them singing the chorus on Love Is Here To Stay still gives me old FM goose bumps. And even the cheesy Feel About You gets my judgey friends singing the chorus.

I hope we see more of Lindsey Buckingham. He certainly led the charge in doing what wasn't expected of him. Putting his art before the almighty dollar. And as much as I loved As Long As You Follow and BTM. The wind from the classic line-up dried up eventually and we got the Time album and FMac was dying on the vine. Both financially and in terms of a band with chemistry. At least when LB came back, the nostolgia carried them into validity. And his songs on SYW minus WTWCT... are a bit daring.

[secondhandchain]

I was all for them recording new music as a five, but SN squandered that opportunity. Now, 4 years on sad to say Christine's voice is completely shot (they have to mix her very low now) and Stevie has a 2 note nasal AF range. LB isn't any better and they should have done this tour and called it quits as a band. Poor Christine sounds like she has 40 teeth rolling around in her mouth when she talks now. NEW band? Please.

[jbrownsjr]

I was all for them recording new music as a five, but SN squandered that opportunity. Now, 4 years on sad to say Christine's voice is completely shot (they have to mix her very low now) and Stevie has a 2 note nasal AF range. LB isn't any better and they should have done this tour and called it quits as a band. Poor Christine sounds like she has 40 teeth rolling around in her mouth when she talks now. NEW band? Please.

The BuckVie album sounds great. Carnival Begin and Feel About You.. stunning..

[Storms123]

I was all for them recording new music as a five, but SN squandered that opportunity. Now, 4 years on sad to say Christine's voice is completely shot (they have to mix her very low now) and Stevie has a 2 note nasal AF range. LB isn't any better and they should have done this tour and called it quits as a band. Poor Christine sounds like she has 40 teeth rolling around in her mouth when she talks now. NEW band? Please.

I agree. I noticed her voice "straining" towards the end of the US leg of OWTS. When they pulled out "Songbird" for a few shows, her wrist was cited, but part of me wondered if it was the strain on her voice. Again, last summer during Buck/McVie--noticed it too.
I just don't see new music coming out of FM--ship has sailed. I don't think they will release anything with the "All-Star" band. It doesn't feel like Mike and Neil are in it for the long haul---even though they said they were...what else are they going to say? I also thought I read somewhere on here--both of them (and Stevie) have commitments in the latter part of 2019.....or are just saying that so they have an "out" to not make this a global tour--should the US leg be less then successful????

[BombaySapphire3]

The BuckVie album sounds great. Carnival Begin and Feel About You.. stunning..

I was stunned by Feel About You too if you mean like getting shot with a taser.

[HomerMcvie]

And his songs on SYW minus WTWCT... are a bit daring.

Back off! :mad: That's my favorite song on the clunker that is SYW.

[dreamsunwind]

It's quite pathetic, to be honest. You fired someone because of an ultimatum and business issues (logistics/branding/marketing) that followed. All this so you could continue to sign and tour for millions of dollars. That's what happened.

Stop painting it like it's a new band that you're excited to offer the fans.

Luckily for Mick, he knows most of the fans don't care who plays in the band. They want hits. The promoters want hits. $tevie Nick$ will twirl, he'll make faces and they will do this all behind the mask. (pun intended). They will even package the blues FMac in there for the die hard that might be swayed.

What's glaring to me.. and not mentioned often... Is the fact that they mentioned possibly recording with this line-up. That screams of $tevie's hatred of working with Buckingham. And of course her pointed comment about not playing pre-B/N tunes due to a certain member. (classless as usual $tevie)

On a positive note: I'm glad we got BuckVie. I think it's an amazing little album. It demonstrated just how good the four instrumentalists are as a core, and as a team. The chemistry is still there and very tight.

But at what cost. For those of you that believe $tevie was bothered by them doing this album, I agree 100%. There were a few quotes both from $tevie and McVie about her feelings on the album. Christine said something like, "I played it for her and she liked it." And then said something sarcastic. $tevie said she certainly didn't understand the premise. And went into her album $ales speech.

And this is going to sound a bit crazy; but, I didn't see any excitement in Mick during the BuckVie documentary. I heard the words coming out his mouth about how amazing it was for those two to be recording together.. but my spidey sense detected he was a bit uncomfortable with it.

I will say he and John sound amazing on the record. The more I listen to this record, the more I admire it's brevity and sparse arrangements. The vocals are superb and very pleasing to my ears. The two of them singing the chorus on Love Is Here To Stay still gives me old FM goose bumps. And even the cheesy Feel About You gets my judgey friends singing the chorus.

I hope we see more of Lindsey Buckingham. He certainly led the charge in doing what wasn't expected of him. Putting his art before the almighty dollar. And as much as I loved As Long As You Follow and BTM. The wind from the classic line-up dried up eventually and we got the Time album and FMac was dying on the vine. Both financially and in terms of a band with chemistry. At least when LB came back, the nostolgia carried them into validity. And his songs on SYW minus WTWCT... are a bit daring.

Really well said!
But for what it's worth, I really don't think they're going to actually record new music. They just said that because they say a lot of things and Stevie is going to be bitter about Lindsey for the rest of her life so she wants to throw a dig in there, but I doubt it'll actually happen. When would they even work on it? After this tour finishes? And then after that hypothetical album is finished, by the time it comes out, by the time they agree to tour again for it they'll all be in their mid 70s and Christine will be nearly 80. I still think that this tour is basically going to be the 'end' of Fleetwood Mac.
And I totally agree with what you said about the Buckingham McVie album. I can't believe there are people who think Stevie wasn't bothered by it. She didn't want to record with him as a producer but I'm sure it never occurred to her that Lindsey would just go 'fine' and then put out an album like that with someone else, least of all Christine. I know it was a long time ago but she literally said that if it wasn't for the fact that she knew Chris would never want to cause problems for her and Lindsey, she would have had to quit the band because she couldn't have been able to deal with Lindsey working on music like that with someone else. She said it was arguably the worst moment for her in the band.
Personally, I believe that that album, as well as her issues in dealing with grief for TP, are the two main things that finally broke the camel's back for her.

[jbrownsjr]

Back off! :mad: That's my favorite song on the clunker that is SYW.

I said daring....

and that song clunks... listen to it.. the intro.. clunk.. clunk...clunk.. clunk...

just like Lay Down For Free.. starts with a clunk... lol

[HomerMcvie]

I said daring....

and that's song clunks... listen to it.. the intro.. clunk.. clunk...clunk.. clunk...

just like Lay Down For Free.. starts with a clunk... lol

LDFF is my least favorite song on BV, because it sounds like a dumb machine, not Dick playing. I love the dumbs on WTWCT, because it's Dick playing.

[jbrownsjr]

Really well said!
But for what it's worth, I really don't think they're going to actually record new music. They just said that because they say a lot of things and Stevie is going to be bitter about Lindsey for the rest of her life so she wants to throw a dig in there, but I doubt it'll actually happen. When would they even work on it? After this tour finishes? And then after that hypothetical album is finished, by the time it comes out, by the time they agree to tour again for it they'll all be in their mid 70s and Christine will be nearly 80. I still think that this tour is basically going to be the 'end' of Fleetwood Mac.
And I totally agree with what you said about the Buckingham McVie album. I can't believe there are people who think Stevie wasn't bothered by it. She didn't want to record with him as a producer but I'm sure it never occurred to her that Lindsey would just go 'fine' and then put out an album like that with someone else, least of all Christine. I know it was a long time ago but she literally said that if it wasn't for the fact that she knew Chris would never want to cause problems for her and Lindsey, she would have had to quit the band because she couldn't have been able to deal with Lindsey working on music like that with someone else. She said it was arguably the worst moment for her in the band.
Personally, I believe that that album, as well as her issues in dealing with grief for TP, are the two main things that finally broke the camel's back for her.

I thought that was pretty classless for her to say. Plus, the pre B/N comment. She has no idea how lucky she is that people can tolerate her hoarse voice.

I do agree that all their voices have really faded.. and that's part of life.. But even on recording she's like nails on a chalk board to me.

I saw three BuckVie shows and Christine was pretty bad in one show. Great in the next. Her pitch problems were rubbing on my nerves. But she still does sing a wider range. YMLF is just a tad out of her reach now.. But she goes for it. :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

I was stunned by Feel About You too if you mean like getting shot with a taser.

LOL... I said something similar about Crash by Stevie.. So, I really know what you mean..

Feel About You .. there's something about when you're sitting by the pool and have a champagne buzz that makes it really fun...

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=jbrownsjr;1227074]LOL... I said something similar about Crash by Stevie.. So, I really know what you mean..

Or Free Falling or Silent night or most of her vocals during the Rock a little era...

[jbrownsjr]

[QUOTE=jbrownsjr;1227074]LOL... I said something similar about Crash by Stevie.. So, I really know what you mean..

Or Free Falling or Silent night or most of her vocals during the Rock a little era...

The Crash from that soundstage is sooooo bad... I cringe.. They played it on Sirius and I'd forgotten how bad it was.

[secondhandchain]

I said daring....

and that song clunks... listen to it.. the intro.. clunk.. clunk...clunk.. clunk...

just like Lay Down For Free.. starts with a clunk... lol

that was my only problem with a couple of the songs. I was like "is that Mick or a drum machine????" Because it sounded like a drum machine.

[jbrownsjr]

that was my only problem with a couple of the songs. I was like "is that Mick or a drum machine????" Because it sounded like a drum machine.

And to lead the album off with that piece of crap after he said he wanted to be more masculine because there was less women. rolls eyes...

[secondhandchain]

And to lead the album off with that piece of crap after he said he wanted to be more masculine because there was less women. rolls eyes...

I liked that song.

[HomerMcvie]

I liked that song.

Thank you!

Hush it, John!

[jbrownsjr]

Thank you!

Hush it, John!

It's garbage.. and to lead the album off with that piece of dung is a sin...

There, I said my piece. Now everyone can report me. lol clunk clunk clunk....

They should have led with The Second Time.. now that's a pleasant song!! "she never could baaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh...."

[HomerMcvie]

It's garbage.. and to lead the album off with that piece of dung is a sin...

There, I said my piece. Now everyone can report me. lol clunk clunk clunk....

They should have led with The Second Time.. now that's a pleasant song!! "she never could baaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh...."

It's the best song on a very crappy, depressing album!

And for the record,... I've been thinking about this for the past month....,I want my 10,000th post here to include the words, Old Goat Breath. :wavey::wavey::wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

It's the best song on a very crappy, depressing album!

And for the record,... I've been thinking about this for the past month....,I want my 10,000th post here to include the words, Old Goat Breath. :wavey::wavey::wavey:

How do you know what her breath smells like?

[HomerMcvie]

How do you know what her breath smells like?

I'm basing the ASSumption strictly on her sound. :p

[jkmaletic]

Do any of you think we will get a statement from Lindsey regarding this situation at some point? Or is he the type to just remain quiet?

[HomerMcvie]

Do any of you think we will get a statement from Lindsey regarding this situation at some point? Or is he the type to just remain quiet?

I would assume that he got a settlement of some sort, which probably includes a gag order. So the answer is no.

[TrueFaith77]

I would assume that he got a settlement of some sort, which probably includes a gag order. So the answer is no.

That has been my assumption as well.

[dreamsunwind]

Do any of you think we will get a statement from Lindsey regarding this situation at some point? Or is he the type to just remain quiet?

He hardly ever makes press statements. If he gets asked about it in a future interview, then he might say something. But just putting out statements isn't his thing.

[SteveMacD]

Isn’t he playing some charity show in the near future? I wonder if he’ll say anything about it then.

BTW, WTWCT is a great song. I don’t get the hate. It’s a nice little pop song. Then again, I never got the hate for Sugar Daddy.

[jbrownsjr]

Isn’t he playing some charity show in the near future? I wonder if he’ll say anything about it then.

BTW, WTWCT is a great song. I don’t get the hate. It’s a nice little pop song. Then again, I never got the hate for Sugar Daddy.

Sugar Daddy is far superior as an arrangement to WTWCT. Especially, having heard the early take. Just wow!

I think WTWCT shouldn't have kicked the album off.

Of course that's all subjective.. but it's just so boring to me.

[dreamsunwind]

Isn’t he playing some charity show in the near future? I wonder if he’ll say anything about it then.

BTW, WTWCT is a great song. I don’t get the hate. It’s a nice little pop song. Then again, I never got the hate for Sugar Daddy.

I think it's a political event? Supporting a democratic candidate for congress or something like that. It's this Friday.

[Storms123]

He hardly ever makes press statements. If he gets asked about it in a future interview, then he might say something. But just putting out statements isn't his thing.

Hopefully he does some press for his upcoming (whenever it’s announced) tour, and he addresses it then. If we are lucky, he’s writing a song about it as we speak

[secondhandchain]

Hopefully he does some press for his upcoming (whenever it’s announced) tour, and he addresses it then. If we are lucky, he’s writing a song about it as we speak

The song title possibly being?

Tambourine witch Angel?

[elle]

The song title possibly being?

Tambourine witch Angel?

:laugh: might be close!

his last one on the topic was Poor Little Raven - and she just didn't want to tour with FM at the time, after they all agreed they'll tour (wow that sounds familiar for some reason?? :p ).

[sasja]

:laugh: might be close!

his last one on the topic was Poor Little Raven - and she just didn't want to tour with FM at the time, after they all agreed they'll tour (wow that sounds familiar for some reason?? :p ).

:laugh: Ha, yes! Classic, those lyrics. I cannot wait to see what writing this all will inspire! :blob1:

[Storms123]

:laugh: Ha, yes! Classic, those lyrics. I cannot wait to see what writing this all will inspire! :blob1:

I follow Brian Larsen on IG. He posted this am that he was working in LA this weekend and their was a #LindseyBuckingham...I believe they’ve collaborated in the past!!!

[TrueFaith77]

I follow Brian Larsen on IG. He posted this am that he was working in LA this weekend and their was a #LindseyBuckingham...I believe they’ve collaborated in the past!!!

Good Lord not THAT again. Hasn't it been since 2005 or something?

David??

[Storms123]

Good Lord not THAT again. Hasn't it been since 2005 or something?

David??

Ohhh seems like there is history???

[dreamsunwind]

Ohhh seems like there is history???

Apparently YEARS ago when he was a lot younger he posted weird stuff about FM/LB, made it seem like he worked with them on music or something like that? I'm not really sure what it was but it was odd.
However now it seems like he's grown up and is pretty legit. I follow him too, he's met Lindsey and the band a bunch of times and has even posted videos of Lindsey showing him how to play certain parts on guitar. He says Lindsey knows who he is by name but he doesn't claim to be personally close with him or anything like that.

[Storms123]

Apparently YEARS ago when he was a lot younger he posted weird stuff about FM/LB, made it seem like he worked with them on music or something like that? I'm not really sure what it was but it was odd.
However now it seems like he's grown up and is pretty legit. I follow him too, he's met Lindsey and the band a bunch of times and has even posted videos of Lindsey showing him how to play certain parts on guitar. He says Lindsey knows who he is by name but he doesn't claim to be personally close with him or anything like that.

Got it. Was a little hopeful would be getting son LB news coming!