price drops already! (and only presales)

[elle]

love it! :lol:

people who bought same tickets on presale yesterday paid about $60 more for exact same ticket that already dropped in price today. i bet those people are pi******ed!

and it's only presale, the regular onsale didn't even start - so that was FAST! :]


although i'd love it even better if they kept their ridiculous over-pumped prices and played to empty arenas or had to cancel bunch of shows. :rolleyes:

[bwboy]

love it! :lol:

people who bought same tickets on presale yesterday paid about $60 more for exact same ticket that already dropped in price today. i bet those people are pi******ed!

and it's only presale, the regular onsale didn't even start - so that was FAST! :]


although i'd love it even better if they kept their ridiculous over-pumped prices and played to empty arenas or had to cancel bunch of shows. :rolleyes:

Elle, if someone posted how happy they were that some Buck/Vie shows sold poorly last year, would you be ok with that? It's so jarring to see you post comments like this, when you wouldn't like it if someone had done the same to you. I said to you a few weeks back when you threatened to troll here, that it was very unlike you, and you responded that I should have known you wouldn't do something like that. And then you post this thread, where you're laughing at someone because they paid more for their ticket than if they had waited a few days.

I'm sorry you're upset, but these posts aren't like you. Be happy tickets are selling poorly and keep hoping that shows are canceled. Maybe it makes you feel better if other people are as upset as you are. I have to admit I've done that before in my life, been unhappy and tried to bring other people down, too.

[elle]

^^ you are funny. why again are you in this forum? this is where people unhappy with the fakewood band are, you know the ones that get on your nerves. :)

and btw - i'm doing you a favor. i'm telling you - save your money and you will get better tix for lower prices later. so - you're welcome! :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

Elle, if someone posted how happy they were that some Buck/Vie shows sold poorly last year, would you be ok with that? It's so jarring to see you post comments like this, when you wouldn't like it if someone had done the same to you. I said to you a few weeks back when you threatened to troll here, that it was very unlike you, and you responded that I should have known you wouldn't do something like that. And then you post this thread, where you're laughing at someone because they paid more for their ticket than if they had waited a few days.

I'm sorry you're upset, but these posts aren't like you. Be happy tickets are selling poorly and keep hoping that shows are canceled. Maybe it makes you feel better if other people are as upset as you are. I have to admit I've done that before in my life, been unhappy and tried to bring other people down, too.
I don't think she's happy that people overpaid, BUT that the tour isn't selling as well as they hoped, and that MEANS that they f*cked up by firing Lindsey.

[Dr.Brown]

...if someone posted how happy they were that some Buck/Vie shows sold poorly last year, would you be ok with that?

Big difference: The BuckVie tour did not involve backstabbing and duplicity. I would call this karma.

It's not that funny, is it?
.

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=bwboy;1226355]Elle, if someone posted how happy they were that some Buck/Vie shows sold poorly last year, would you be ok with that? It's so jarring to see you post comments like this, when you wouldn't like it if someone had done the same to you. I said to you a few weeks back when you threatened to troll here, that it was very unlike you, and you responded that I should have known you wouldn't do something like that. And then you post this thread, where you're laughing at someone because they paid more for their ticket than if they had waited a few days.

SORRY but a beloved band member was FIRED. He didn't choose not to participate. FIRED!!!! None of the five have EVER been fired and we are PISSED. Buckle up because our anger isn't going away. This is how i feel about the price drop. :]:]:]:]:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[sodascouts]

I want this tour to do badly so that they will realize they made a mistake in firing Lindsey and ask him back. Then, he can come back, they will be the Rumours 5 again, and all of this will just be a horrible chapter in their past.

I'm sorry for the people who overpaid, but I am rooting for this tour to fail.

[justcrazylove]

Oh I want them to ask him back, and for him to tell them to suck it. Or even better only if Stevie is fired.

[bwboy]

[QUOTE=bwboy;1226355]Elle, if someone posted how happy they were that some Buck/Vie shows sold poorly last year, would you be ok with that? It's so jarring to see you post comments like this, when you wouldn't like it if someone had done the same to you. I said to you a few weeks back when you threatened to troll here, that it was very unlike you, and you responded that I should have known you wouldn't do something like that. And then you post this thread, where you're laughing at someone because they paid more for their ticket than if they had waited a few days.

SORRY but a beloved band member was FIRED. He didn't choose not to participate. FIRED!!!! None of the five have EVER been fired and we are PISSED. Buckle up because our anger isn't going away. This is how i feel about the price drop. :]:]:]:]:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I haven't bought a ticket, but if I were going to, I would also be happy about a price drop.

But I stand by what I said- if fans of Mick and John were angry they weren't included in the Buck/Vie tour, and they had laughed about poor attendance at the Buck/Vie shows, elle wouldn't have liked it. And I don't remember anyone posting here, for any reason, that they hoped Lindsey and Christine's tour bombed. But when elle makes it a point to slam Stevie superfans from another forum for gloating about Lindsey being fired, and then posts a thread gloating that tickets are selling poorly, it's the pot calling the kettle black, that's all.

[elle]

Oh I want them to ask him back, and for him to tell them to suck it. Or even better only if Stevie is fired.

yes to all of this!

[button-lip]

SORRY but a beloved band member was FIRED. He didn't choose not to participate. FIRED!!!! None of the five have EVER been fired and we are PISSED. Buckle up because our anger isn't going away. This is how i feel about the price drop. :]:]:]:]:lol::lol::lol:

You can say FIRED a thousand times. It doesn't matter. They don't get it. Or it's nicer to act as if it doesn't matter.

The comparison is plain stupid. And I can say whatever I want because this person blocked me a long time ago, so :cool::cool::cool:

[elle]

You can say FIRED a thousand times. It doesn't matter. They don't get it. Or it's nicer to act as if it doesn't matter.

The comparison is plain stupid. And I can say whatever I want because this person blocked me a long time ago, so :cool::cool::cool:

i try to not block anyone, but some people's posts i just skip. not worth wasting the time of my life. you've been a SAINT for putting up with so much bs on here in the last few days. i bow to you!! :xoxo: :xoxo:

[sasja]

:blob1: May Mick's and Nicks' perceived cash-cow be an emaciated bovine. :blob2:

'Cause, karma.

[button-lip]

i try to not block anyone, but some people's posts i just skip. not worth wasting the time of my life. you've been a SAINT for putting up with so much bs on here in the last few days. i bow to you!! :xoxo: :xoxo:

Oh, you know me: instead of whining of how my favorite band member is being mistreated, I fight the fight. :xoxo:

[Neal]

Well the price drops got me. I caved and bought tix to both San Jose and Fresno. :eek:

I guess I feel a little better knowing that I'll be seeing two shows on this tour for the price of what one cost me last time... :shrug:

[bwboy]

You can say FIRED a thousand times. It doesn't matter. They don't get it. Or it's nicer to act as if it doesn't matter.

The comparison is plain stupid. And I can say whatever I want because this person blocked me a long time ago, so :cool::cool::cool:

I didn't respond to you before, that's all. But I appreciated your polite comment to SteveandChris in a different thread, honest. And you definitely can say and feel whatever you want, I wasn't challenging your right to do so. Or anyone else. I just hate to see people kind of going at each other here. And that's directed at everyone, including myself.

As far as tickets selling poorly, I could not care less, for the band, anyway. They'll be fine no matter what. But gloating about fans spending more money, or missing out on a concert because it was canceled, that's akin to people gloating about Lindsey being fired, and that was my point, that's all.

[button-lip]

I didn't respond to you before, that's all. But I appreciated your polite comment to SteveandChris in a different thread, honest. And you definitely can say and feel whatever you want, I wasn't challenging your right to do so. Or anyone else. I just hate to see people kind of going at each other here. And that's directed at everyone, including myself.

As far as tickets selling poorly, I could not care less, for the band, anyway. They'll be fine no matter what. But gloating about fans spending more money, or missing out on a concert because it was canceled, that's akin to people gloating about Lindsey being fired, and that was my point, that's all.

Hmmm, funny because I commented on your posts many, many times and you never answered me, so I kinda assummed you were still blocking me, and now that I mention it... :rolleyes:

Like Homer said, Elle was gloating about the band having to low prices, but then she said it was better if they kept them high and have to play to empty arenas. We're on a mission against the band, not against fans.

[singertobe]

WHAT?! Do I get any of my money back?

[singertobe]

For the heck of it I looked up how much a Taylor Swift concert ticket cost. $200. And those are some elaborate sets. In a Fleetwood Mac show there's just a projector in the back. Why do we have to pay so much while the new generation gets to see their singers with fancy sets for $200?

[BombaySapphire3]

For the heck of it I looked up how much a Taylor Swift concert ticket cost. $200. And those are some elaborate sets. In a Fleetwood Mac show there's just a projector in the back. Why do we have to pay so much while the new generation gets to see their singers with fancy sets for $200?

You don't have to pay it..just say no.

[HomerMcvie]

:blob1: May Mick's and Nicks' perceived cash-cow be an emaciated bovine. :blob2:

'Cause, karma.

I hereby nominate you for The Ledge QUOTE OF THE MONTH!!!!!:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

[HomerMcvie]

I want this tour to do badly so that they will realize they made a mistake in firing Lindsey and ask him back. Then, he can come back, they will be the Rumours 5 again, and all of this will just be a horrible chapter in their past.

I'm sorry for the people who overpaid, but I am rooting for this tour to fail.

As much as I want him back, I'd lose ALL respect for him if he EVER came back! F*CK them.

[sasja]

Hahaha, coming from you, I am tickled pink. Honored in all the best ways, Thank You, Homer! David!
:xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Hahaha, coming from you, I am tickled pink. Honored in all the best ways, Thank You, Homer! David!
:xoxo:

I may be bitter, but lovingly so....:lol::wavey::lol:

[StreetAngel86]

love it! :lol:

people who bought same tickets on presale yesterday paid about $60 more for exact same ticket that already dropped in price today. i bet those people are pi******ed!

and it's only presale, the regular onsale didn't even start - so that was FAST! :]


although i'd love it even better if they kept their ridiculous over-pumped prices and played to empty arenas or had to cancel bunch of shows. :rolleyes:

i agree with like 3% of stuff you post
but i utterly LOVE this :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
this band can suck it!

[sue]

As much as I want him back, I'd lose ALL respect for him if he EVER came back! F*CK them.

Mmmm, Don’t hold your breath, I can see the scenario in 2-3 years time,
presuming they are all fit and well.

Mick re-introducing Lindsey back into the family fold for a final, final tour

I can hear him saying that old phrase of his about “the chemistry between these two” etcetc

[Macfan4life]

Ticket sales are extremely strong in Sunrise, FL. I checked this morning and the pre-sale is still going on. The site had a statement "Only single seats available" It appears they sold out all presale except for 4 tickets in the entire arena. Each of the 4 seats are nowhere near each other. You cant even get any pre-sale seats together. ALL of those high priced tickets ARE SOLD OUT. When you check the arena for available tickets ONLY 4 remain (only 4 dots on the screen). And the reason they are still available is because they are single seats :eek:

[elle]

i agree with like 3% of stuff you post
but i utterly LOVE this :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
this band can suck it!

aww, i'm honored! :] :laugh:

[sasja]

Ticket sales are extremely strong in Sunrise, FL. I checked this morning and the pre-sale is still going on. The site had a statement "Only single seats available" It appears they sold out all presale except for 4 tickets in the entire arena. Each of the 4 seats are nowhere near each other. You cant even get any pre-sale seats together. ALL of those high priced tickets ARE SOLD OUT. When you check the arena for available tickets ONLY 4 remain (only 4 dots on the screen). And the reason they are still available is because they are single seats :eek:

Maybe all scalped? :rolleyes:

[BigAl84]

In florida's case - probably retired folks with way more money than they know what to do with.

[ryan4136]

Florida is home base for TP/Heartbreakers, tons of TP fans there....no shocker.

If the Mac had taken in Bob Seeger their Michigan sales would be through the roof too.

[Macfan4life]

Florida is home base for TP/Heartbreakers, tons of TP fans there....no shocker.

If the Mac had taken in Bob Seeger their Michigan sales would be through the roof too.
Nah
Most Heartbreakers fans are so opposed to Mike joining the Mac. Everyone on a Heartbreaker page was saying how much Fleetwood Mac sucked. I get it, two different kinds of music. Central and Northern Florida maybe I would agree with your theory.

[jeets2000]

Ticket sales are extremely strong in Sunrise, FL. I checked this morning and the pre-sale is still going on. The site had a statement "Only single seats available" It appears they sold out all presale except for 4 tickets in the entire arena. Each of the 4 seats are nowhere near each other. You cant even get any pre-sale seats together. ALL of those high priced tickets ARE SOLD OUT. When you check the arena for available tickets ONLY 4 remain (only 4 dots on the screen). And the reason they are still available is because they are single seats :eek:

Well, now that the full sale is up, there are literally entire sections of available seats in Sunrise, so... pre-sale might have done well because they limited it greatly? :shrug:

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[Macfan4life]

Well, now that the full sale is up, there are literally entire sections of available seats in Sunrise, so... pre-sale might have done well because they limited it greatly? :shrug:

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Who knows. The picture you posted just shows the back of the arena. For tickets just going on sale, its a brisk sale so far. I just cant believe the prices. So much more expensive than On With The Show. I found my seats from 2013 and they are hundreds of dollars more :eek:

[button-lip]

In florida's case - probably retired folks with way more money than they know what to do with.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Good thing Lindsey won't be there then! The whole front row sitting and snoring. :p

[jeets2000]

Yeah, I mean here's one that shows the full floor and the other side sections. I'm just not convinced it's selling spectacularly well, especially considering the fact that the gray dots don't necessarily mean "seat sold." Even if I were going to see this tour, the last tour taught me it's smart to wait for the ticket drops, which inevitably come about a week out from the show date. It's nerve racking, but it was usually worth it.

Here's a link (https://www1.ticketmaster.com/an-evening-with-fleetwood-mac-sunrise-florida-02-20-2019/event/0D005497D224D144?artistid=735087&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1&tm_link=artist_msg-0_0D005497D224D144&f_PPL=true&ab=efeat5787v1) to the Sunrise page, if anyone is interested in seeing for themselves. I've looked at a few venues so far, and they all kind of look like this to some extent. I don't think it means they're not selling... I mean, people have almost a year to buy tickets in some cases.

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[Feather Blade]

I wish they made the Platinum seats a different color as they do the resale seats. I got all excited earlier thinking there was a 13th row center pair of seats at face value because they were blue like everything else. Nope, not so much.

[Macfan4life]

Yeah, I mean here's one that shows the full floor and the other side sections. I'm just not convinced it's selling spectacularly well, especially considering the fact that the gray dots don't necessarily mean "seat sold." Even if I were going to see this tour, the last tour taught me it's smart to wait for the ticket drops, which inevitably come about a week out from the show date. It's nerve racking, but it was usually worth it.

Here's a link (https://www1.ticketmaster.com/an-evening-with-fleetwood-mac-sunrise-florida-02-20-2019/event/0D005497D224D144?artistid=735087&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1&tm_link=artist_msg-0_0D005497D224D144&f_PPL=true&ab=efeat5787v1) to the Sunrise page, if anyone is interested in seeing for themselves. I've looked at a few venues so far, and they all kind of look like this to some extent. I don't think it means they're not selling... I mean, people have almost a year to buy tickets in some cases.

<a href="https://ibb.co/eXDCUS"><img src="https://preview.ibb.co/gLFgOn/Screen_Shot_2018_05_04_at_11_31_31_AM.png" alt="Screen_Shot_2018_05_04_at_11_31_31_AM" border="0"></a>
For tickets that just went on sale, its pretty good IMHO. Stevie sold out arenas during 24k Gold tour and the first week of ticket sales had far fewer tickets sold.

[rhiannondontgo]

Has Lindsey ever filled an arena? If I remember correctly his shows seem to always take place in casinos, wineries, school auditoriums, and tiny club type venues. Something tells me FM won’t be feeling any jealousy towards him and his “small machine” career any time in the future, honestly.

[sasja]

Has Lindsey ever filled an arena? If I remember correctly his shows seem to always take place in casinos, wineries, school auditoriums, and tiny club type venues. Something tells me FM won’t be feeling any jealousy towards him and his “small machine” career any time in the future, honestly.

Quality over quantity :wavey:

[rhiannondontgo]

Quality over quantity :wavey:

Is this not an entire post about the quantity of seats sold & money made for a touring band none of us have even heard the quality of yet?

[jeets2000]

Is this not an entire post about the quantity of seats sold & money made for a touring band none of us have even heard the quality of yet?

Well, since you asked, the rest of us were talking about price drops and available tickets at different venues when you rolled in with your snide remarks. :woohoo:

[sasja]

Is this not an entire post about the quantity of seats sold & money made for a touring band none of us have even heard the quality of yet?

Color me cautiously pessimistic.

[HomerMcvie]

Quality over quantity :wavey:

Stevie fans have always been "numbers" people.

[rhiannondontgo]

Stevie fans have always been "numbers" people.

Yeah we talk about numbers because we have numbers. If the person you were a fan of had her kind of “numbers”, you’d probably be a “numbers person” too.

[HomerMcvie]

Yeah we talk about numbers because we have numbers. If the person you were a fan of had her kind of “numbers”, you’d probably be a “numbers person” too.

Well played. Now go twirl around somewhere...

[elle]

Well played. Now go twirl around somewhere...

i don't get it. you love Chris. isn't she the person with the largest numbers in this band? all the hits??

what is this other person telling you?

[rhiannondontgo]

i don't get it. you love Chris. isn't she the person with the largest numbers in this band? all the hits??

what is this other person telling you?

Good point. Remember when Christine managed to sell five platinum records all on her own? Oh, wait....


This is a ridiculous argument to even have. We can all go ahead and debate who has more talent, who performs best, who can or can’t sing anymore, who to blame this whole break-up mess on, etc. all day. Those are all valid arguments and discussions. “Numbers”, however, aren’t debateable. We all know who fills the most seats and sells the most records.

[bombaysaffires]

Good point. Remember when Christine managed to sell five platinum records all on her own? Oh, wait....


This is a ridiculous argument to even have. We can all go ahead and debate who has more talent, who performs best, who can or can’t sing anymore, who to blame this whole break-up mess on, etc. all day. Those are all valid arguments and discussions. “Numbers”, however, aren’t debateable. We all know who fills the most seats and sells the most records.

still doesn't mean they can't be an a-hole. :shrug:

[bombaysaffires]

Yeah we talk about numbers because we have numbers. If the person you were a fan of had her kind of “numbers”, you’d probably be a “numbers person” too.

there's quantity and there's quality. The two do not go automatically hand in hand.

McDonald's has big numbers too. :shrug:

[elle]

This is a ridiculous argument to even have. We can all go ahead and debate who has more talent, who performs best, who can or can’t sing anymore, who to blame this whole break-up mess on, etc. all day. Those are all valid arguments and discussions. “Numbers”, however, aren’t debateable. We all know who fills the most seats and sells the most records.

lol agree - so why did you bring it up in the first place?

we all know and agree SN fills the most seats, and nobody was discussing it in this thread, till you decided we should. :laugh:

[Dr.Brown]

there's quantity and there's quality. The two do not go automatically hand in hand.

McDonald's has big numbers too. :shrug:

Great point! Billions and billions sold...To coin a phrase: "Nothing else matters".

[jbrownsjr]

lol agree - so why did you bring it up in the first place?

we all know and agree SN fills the most seats, and nobody was discussing it in this thread, till you decided we should. :laugh:

isn't that weird???

[rhiannondontgo]

lol agree - so why did you bring it up in the first place?

we all know and agree SN fills the most seats, and nobody was discussing it in this thread, till you decided we should. :laugh:

Literally this entire thread is y’all crowing over the number of tickets sold so far and for how much, and then you guys complain that Stevie’s people are all “numbers people” lol

[button-lip]

Literally this entire thread is y’all crowing over the number of tickets sold so far and for how much, and then you guys complain that Stevie’s people are all “numbers people” lol

No, we weren't talking about Stevie and her numbers. You brought up the subject, so we can all admit she's the one with the larger numbers. We don't care Stevie's numbers.

[rhiannondontgo]

No, we weren't talking about Stevie and her numbers. You brought up the subject, so we can all admit she's the one with the larger numbers. We don't care Stevie's numbers.

No, you were repeatedly rooting for a band to fail and hoping they sell nothing and have to go crawling back to LB. I pointed out rather logically that they’ll sell tickets no matter what and that I highly doubt there will be any jealousy or competition sparked by LB, who we all know does low key tours in teeny tiny off-the-radar venues. Every comment I have made since then was in response to specific quotes directed at me. I never brought the words “numbers”, “sales”, or “hits” into this conversation. You all did and I replied. :shrug:

[button-lip]

No, you were repeatedly rooting for a band to fail and hoping they sell nothing and have to go crawling back to LB. I pointed out rather logically that they’ll sell tickets no matter what and that I highly doubt there will be any jealousy or competition sparked by LB, who we all know does low key tours in teeny tiny off-the-radar venues. Every comment I have made since then was in response to specific quotes directed at me. I never brought the words “numbers”, “sales”, or “hits” into this conversation. You all did and I replied. :shrug:

We weren't talking about jealousy or competition. We're hoping Fakewood Mac tour fails because they fired Lindsey. We don't care about the quality of this band. We don't need to hear them. :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie probably has more notches in her headboard than the rest of them combined. What does that make her? I know! :woohoo:

[iamnotafraid]

Stevie probably has more notches in her headboard than the rest of them combined. What does that make her? I know! :woohoo:

Mae West???

[secondhandchain]

Her poor me I had to abort my baby because i'm famous ...I chose being a rockstar instead of a family....blah blah blah
...no you didn't have too.

[sue]

Her poor me I had to abort my baby because i'm famous ...I chose being a rockstar instead of a family....blah blah blah
...no you didn't have too.

I thought these slots were about possible price drops ????

[dreamsunwind]

At first I wasn't sure about this but I just checked and wow, the tickets are indeed not selling too well. The shows in the Los Angeles area have only sold about 3/10 the amount of space. Significantly over half the seats are still available. Note, the LA area usually sells out VERY fast.
They're going to need to keep dropping those prices or they're going to find themselves playing to half empty arenas.

[secondhandchain]

At first I wasn't sure about this but I just checked and wow, the tickets are indeed not selling too well. The shows in the Los Angeles area have only sold about 3/10 the amount of space. Significantly over half the seats are still available. Note, the LA area usually sells out VERY fast.
They're going to need to keep dropping those prices or they're going to find themselves playing to half empty arenas.

:nod::]:]:]

[HomerMcvie]

At first I wasn't sure about this but I just checked and wow, the tickets are indeed not selling too well. The shows in the Los Angeles area have only sold about 3/10 the amount of space. Significantly over half the seats are still available. Note, the LA area usually sells out VERY fast.
They're going to need to keep dropping those prices or they're going to find themselves playing to half empty arenas.

How's that bitch move working for you now, Stevie and Dick? :lol:

[Hawkeye]

This really seems like a win- win scenerio. Those looking forward to these shows are getting deeply discounted and more readily available tickets. And you guys get your “I told you so Stevie, you over rated greedy goat bitch” fuel you so desperately crave.

How have any of you been able to spin this into a negative discussion?

[sasja]

This really seems like a win- win scenerio. Those looking forward to these shows are getting deeply discounted and more readily available tickets. And you guys get your “I told you so Stevie, you over rated greedy goat bitch” fuel you so desperately crave.

How have any of you been able to spin this into a negative discussion?
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Splendid observation!

That being said though...
This couldn't be happening to a more deserving bunch.:]

[button-lip]

This really seems like a win- win scenerio. Those looking forward to these shows are getting deeply discounted and more readily available tickets. And you guys get your “I told you so Stevie, you over rated greedy goat bitch” fuel you so desperately crave.

How have any of you been able to spin this into a negative discussion?

Oh, I love that! “Over rated greedy goat bitch” :D

That’s name calling, right?

But this time it wasn’t me! :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

It’s not that hard to have guessed you would’ve liked it! It’s like writing a country song, you only need to know 5 to 10 key words and rotate them and know that particular audience is gonna love it.

[elle]

That’s name calling, right?

But this time it wasn’t me! :laugh:

i think name calling of the band members on TL was noirmally allowed. not necessary my preference but it was. however the name calling of people posting was never allowed.

now some people are insisting we shouldn't be saying anything against [certain] band members while at the same time insisting that many people posting on the board need to see a shrink (to put it nicely). :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

i think name calling of the band members on TL was noirmally allowed. not necessary my preference but it was. however the name calling of people posting was never allowed.

now some people are insisting we shouldn't be saying anything against [certain] band members while at the same time insisting that many people posting on the board need to see a shrink (to put it nicely). :laugh:

Exactly. The rules here have ALWAYS been that the band members are fair game, but Ledge members are not.

Mama screwed up, and the backlash has been overwhelming for them.

[button-lip]

It’s not that hard to have guessed you would’ve liked it! It’s like writing a country song, you only need to know 5 to 10 key words and rotate them and know that particular audience is gonna love it.

Yeah, that perfectly describes any Stevie’s song.

[editme2]

I'm not surprised tickets for many shows aren't selling as briskly as perhaps expected. A good portion of these shows are a year away, so the general public is in no rush to buy at the moment. You also have a lot of fans on the fence with this one. As shows get closer and excitement builds (and prices drop a bit), they'll step up, even if it's just out of curiosity. Remember, too, that the band is not touring on a hit record or even any new music. They have to really sell the nostalgia element minus one of the key members who helped build that legacy. It's hard for them to really push the "fresh new band" angle without any music to prove that it's actually a fresh new band with a great sound.

All that said, I think the tour will sell just fine. The Boston, Connecticut, and NYC shows are nearly sold out. Overall, it might not be a blockbuster, but the band ain't gonna go home with just pennies in their pockets. A tarnished reputation, on the other hand? Well, we'll have to wait and see how the shows are......

[jwd]

Yeah, that perfectly describes any Stevie’s song.

sea, wind, wing, baby, and stairs? :laugh:

[jmn3]

sea, wind, wing, baby, and stairs? :laugh:

stairs/stares....for those instances when one looks at the stairs

[jwd]

stairs/stares....for those instances when one looks at the stairs

Yes, stares was my sixth choice. :p

[jmn3]

Yes, stares was my sixth choice. :p

That's understandable - there are many things to stare at these days.

[jbrownsjr]

I walked thru the hallways
and I stared at the stairs
I ghosted you like fog in the wind
and mooned your sister... sister.... sister...

Yeah sister honey!!
sister honey
sister honey
you stand back from me

Yeah sister honey
sister honey
you're no Annabelle lee!!!

[Dr.Brown]

I walked thru the hallways
and I stared at the stairs
I ghosted you like fog in the wind
and mooned your sister... sister.... sister...

Yeah sister honey!!
sister honey
sister honey
you stand back from me

Yeah sister honey
sister honey
you're no Annabelle lee!!!

And some gypsy called it a dream...Rhiannon!

[Hawkeye]

I walked thru the hallways
and I stared at the stairs
I ghosted you like fog in the wind
and mooned your sister... sister.... sister...

Yeah sister honey!!
sister honey
sister honey
you stand back from me

Yeah sister honey
sister honey
you're no Annabelle lee!!!

Maybe one too many sisters in there for stevie, but overall I liked where that was going! What’s this about it being harder to write songs as you get older stevie? People always aren’t stevie Nicks are writing great new Stevie Nicks Lyrics!

[Hawkeye]

And some gypsy called it a dream...Rhiannon!


And Rhiannon said.....where is the nightbitd
And mick said Stevie what is cheaper then free.
And you you know it’s not Meeee eeee

[jmn3]

I feel like we’re missing a whole slew of drawn out “wellllllllll’s” in these

[Hawkeye]

I feel like we’re missing a whole slew of drawn out “wellllllllll’s” in these

They’re in the live version only.

[jmn3]

They’re in the live version only.

Would you tell Bob Dylan that? I thought after a wellllll was put into Thrown Down it was fair game.

[jbrownsjr]

This gave me some great needed laughter!

[jmn3]

This gave me some great needed laughter!

Same here...as annoying as these jerks in this band have been lately, I can still enjoy the music and the ridiculousness of all of this.

And that Bob Dylan line is just so ridiculous that it never gets old. I crack up every time I think about it. If there was a Fleetwood Mac board game and you land on the "??Mystery to Me??" square and get the "Would you tell Bob Dylan that?" card, you automatically win and everyone else gets fired from the game.

[GypsySorcerer]

I walked thru the hallways
and I stared at the stairs
I ghosted you like fog in the wind
and mooned your sister... sister.... sister...

Yeah sister honey!!
sister honey
sister honey
you stand back from me

Yeah sister honey
sister honey
you're no Annabelle lee!!!

This reminds me of the old Stevie Song Generator thread from ages ago. :laugh: :thumbsup:

[pattyfan]

I didn't see a price drop for the San Jose show. The 200 seats were $95.50 for the pre sale and the regular on sale, and they still are. And everything in the 100's is also $229.50. Did I miss something?

I hate to say it, but I actually want the tour to fold before it gets to the Bay Area so I don't have to go. If they come, I'll go. I know. I'm weak. But I have never gone to a Mac show and not gotten tickets the very day they went on sale. I figure the worst I can do is get at 200 seat, which is what I think I'm going to do anyway.

Kevin

[Dr.Brown]

If there was a Fleetwood Mac board game and you land on the "??Mystery to Me??" square and get the "Would you tell Bob Dylan that?" card, you automatically win and everyone else gets fired from the game.

Aha! So now we know exactly what went down. Lindsey should never have played that card. :thumbsup:
.

[jbrownsjr]

This reminds me of the old Stevie Song Generator thread from ages ago. :laugh: :thumbsup:

Where is dissention when you need him..

[michelej1]

While there's a thin line between baiting and namecalling and band bashing, it's not against the rules to disparage FM members. Personal attacks on people who are actually HERE is what is not allowed.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

While there's a thin line between baiting and namecalling and band bashing, it's not against the rules to disparage FM members. Personal attacks on people who are actually HERE is what is not allowed.

Michele

You're the best.

[jbrownsjr]

While there's a thin line between baiting and namecalling and band bashing, it's not against the rules to disparage FM members. Personal attacks on people who are actually HERE is what is not allowed.

Michele

I think Stan's thanksgiving speech was baiting. :p

[iamnotafraid]

Set my alarm to wake me up this morning.
Guess what was playing?

The Mac Is Back.

I felt like calling 96.1 The Rocket and letting
them know that they should make it clear to
fans that this isn't the real Fleetwood Mac.

Weird timing.

[SteveMacD]

Set my alarm to wake me up this morning.
Guess what was playing?

The Mac Is Back.

I felt like calling 96.1 The Rocket and letting
them know that they should make it clear to
fans that this isn't the real Fleetwood Mac.

Weird timing.
Well, it isn’t exactly Stretch, either. It has Fleetwood, McVie, and McVie, the core of twelve (arguably fourteen in Mr. W and KH are included) studio albums, two live albums, and an album’s worth of b-sides and new songs on comps. It’s not the classic Fleetwood Mac, but it’s most definitely the real Fleetwood Mac.

[Nathan]

Neat, maybe I can hit Tacoma too. I’m front row center for Portland.

[elle]

Well, it isn’t exactly Stretch, either. It has Fleetwood, McVie, and McVie, the core of twelve (arguably fourteen in Mr. W and KH are included) studio albums, two live albums, and an album’s worth of b-sides and new songs on comps. It’s not the classic Fleetwood Mac, but it’s most definitely the real Fleetwood Mac.

so when they wanted to replace John McVie when he got cancer back in 2013, and Christine hasn't rejoined yet - what was THAT according to you Steve?

certainly not Fleetwood Mac, right? ;):laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

so when they wanted to replace John McVie when he got cancer back in 2013, and Christine hasn't rejoined yet - what was THAT according to you Steve?

certainly not Fleetwood Mac, right? ;):laugh:

Amen! Preach!

[elle]

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[iamnotafraid]

... It’s not the classic Fleetwood Mac, but it’s most definitely the real Fleetwood Mac.

So if you bought a bottle of All Saints Museum Muscadelle
wine. Then poured out 20% (or more*), and replaced it with
water. You'd still consider that a real bottle of Museum Muscadelle?



*Lindsey is way more than 20% of the Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

So if you bought a bottle of All Saints Museum Muscadelle
wine. Then poured out 20% (or more*), and replaced it with
water. You'd still consider that a real bottle of Museum Muscadelle?



*Lindsey is way more than 20% of the Mac.

He's at least 40%.

[Storms123]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who doesn't want to hear Neil Finn sing Go Your Own Way? <br><br>Apparently....everybody. <a href="https://t.co/2xYQsJiCEH">pic.twitter.com/2xYQsJiCEH</a></p>&mdash; Dale Kingston (@DaleKingston06) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaleKingston06/status/993530695950786560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This is even better than the nasty grams getting left around LA

[SteveMacD]

so when they wanted to replace John McVie when he got cancer back in 2013, and Christine hasn't rejoined yet - what was THAT according to you Steve?
It would have been a temporary situation due to an illness, just like when Steve Rinkov took over on drums for a song when Mick got sick.. John would still have been a member of Fleetwood Mac. Really no different than when The Beatles had a temporary fill-in for Ringo when he got sick. However, to their credit, Fleetwood Mac canceled the rest of the tour.

So if you bought a bottle of All Saints Museum Muscadelle
wine. Then poured out 20% (or more*), and replaced it with
water. You'd still consider that a real bottle of Museum Muscadelle?



*Lindsey is way more than 20% of the Mac.
:rolleyes:

Fleetwood Mac tarnished their legacy last year by not crediting that album to Fleetwood Mac. This new lineup has nothing to do with the band’s legacy.

It’s obvious now that Stevie’s people have been calling the shots for years, and everybody plays along. Including Lindsey. By agreeing to release the album as something other than what it was and sticking to the “it just felt like a duet album” script, Lindsey showed he was every bit as capable and willing to tow the company line and ceded any future creative aspirations for the band, all to pacify a certain someone. He also played a part in the tarnishing of the band’s legacy, and frankly his own legacy. But, when he began straying from the company line and started making waves, he got the boot. I’d have more respect for him if he told them that it’s either a Fleetwood Mac album or he was taking his songs and walking away from the band altogether.

Don’t bullsh*t yourselves. They (ALL of them) don’t care about the band’s legacy and haven’t in a long, long time. They all play along and get their bag of money. Credit to Lindsey, at least he was eventually honest about it.

So, as a fan of the band’s overall body of work, I’m at least excited to hear a few songs I never dreamed I’d get to hear live. Maybe hearing more of that legacy they apparently only just tarnished will make me better appreciate just how badly they tarnished it.

[elle]

It would have been a temporary situation due to an illness, just like when Steve Rinkov took over on drums for a song when Mick got sick.. John would still have been a member of Fleetwood Mac. Really no different than when The Beatles had a temporary fill-in for Ringo when he got sick. However, to their credit, Fleetwood Mac canceled the rest of the tour.


you can't credit them for that though, because it's not really true. we know they tried their hardest and auditioned replacements. supposedly MF and SN wouldn't relent before receiving the info they won't lose the money if they cancel.

[Dr.Brown]

So if you bought a bottle of All Saints Museum Muscadelle
wine. Then poured out 20% (or more*), and replaced it with
water. You'd still consider that a real bottle of Museum Muscadelle?


I'd call it "Mick Fleetwood's Private Cellar", something else he was trying to hawk as a collection of fine spirits...at Costco! :p

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-mick-fleetwood-to-appear-in-carlsbad-poway-carmel-2007feb15-story.html
.

[iamnotafraid]

He's at least 40%.

Like you said, at least!

[iamnotafraid]

:rolleyes:

This new lineup has nothing to do with the band’s legacy.




Dude? It's what people will remember them by.

What if this was you first FM concert? Makes me
cringe to think about it.

[iamnotafraid]

I'd call it "Mick Fleetwood's Private Cellar", something else he was trying to hawk as a collection of fine spirits...at Costco! :p
.

Even watered down I'd bet that one thousand dollar bottle
of wine would taste better than that ____ Mick's hawking.

Wonder how many cases of Mick's best you could buy
for a thousand?

[SteveMacD]

Even watered down I'd bet that one thousand dollar bottle
of wine would taste better than that ____ Mick's hawking.

Wonder how many cases of Mick's best you could buy
for a thousand?
All of them.

[secondhandchain]

I bet Lindsey was tired of Stevie calling all the shots as to when they tour "i had to tell them it's only every 3 years", and when they record (NEVER). So when they didn't want to relent to any of his demands about the new tour he held his line and the tambourine witch used her power. Mick being the ever money grubbing her went along with hit.

[iamnotafraid]

All of them.

TRUE!

We should all meet up and drink the cheap wine
and forget all of our FM troubles.

[SteveMacD]

Dude? It's what people will remember them by.

What if this was you first FM concert? Makes me
cringe to think about it.
Not really, though.

Fleetwood Mac will be remembered for the Rumours band and the blues years.

My first show was the BTM tour. It wasn’t as if I had never seen concert videos of Fleetwood Mac, like Rosebud, Tusk doc, Mirage 1982, and TITN concert video. I knew what the band had been, and took what it was at that moment as something different, but still every bit Fleetwood Mac in its own way.

[HomerMcvie]

the tambourine witch.

Ooh, I like that! Permission to borrow occasionally?

[Macfan4life]

I was just reading an article that Taylor Swift's tour is having problems selling tickets. There are so many seats available that she requested Ticketmaster to stop showing the resale tickets on their site. This puts only unsold available tickets as available. I love the idea because it screws the concert ticket hog who only buys to resell at a higher price. Taylor is one of the biggest concert grossers so this was interesting to read. I am curious now how the Mac tour will sell.

[iamnotafraid]

My first show was the BTM tour. I knew what the band had been, and took what it was at that moment as something different, but still every bit Fleetwood Mac in its own way.

Just like The Platters now, right?

[secondhandchain]

Ooh, I like that! Permission to borrow occasionally?

Anytime! She is you know...

[SteveMacD]

Just like The Platters now, right?

No. That’s wholly different, and has been since 1971.

Fleetwood Mac has always been about changing their singer-songwriters, but never Fleetwood or McVie. Consider that in just over a year, Fleetwood Mac went from Fleetwood-McVie-Green-Spencer-Kirwan to Fleetwood-McVie-Kirwan-McVie-Welch.

[elle]

No. That’s wholly different, and has been since 1971.

Fleetwood Mac has always been about changing their singer-songwriters, but never Fleetwood or McVie. Consider that in just over a year, Fleetwood Mac went from Fleetwood-McVie-Green-Spencer-Kirwan to Fleetwood-McVie-Kirwan-McVie-Welch.

and again, that's selective thinking. there was gonna be FM without any McVie on Australian tour in 2013. Mick does not shy of replacing anyone. and that's why that Mick fired himself satire going around is so apt!

[HomerMcvie]

and again, that's selective thinking. there was gonna be FM without any McVie on Australian tour in 2013. Mick does not shy of replacing anyone. and that's why that Mick fired himself satire going around is so apt!

Precisely! Old douchebag Mick would sniff Biddy's panties for a nickel. He has zero class!

[gldstwmn]

I walked thru the hallways
and I stared at the stairs
I ghosted you like fog in the wind
and mooned your sister... sister.... sister..!!
There is an awesome fart joke in there somewhere.

[SteveMacD]

and again, that's selective thinking. there was gonna be FM without any McVie on Australian tour in 2013. Mick does not shy of replacing anyone. and that's why that Mick fired himself satire going around is so apt!

Again, only on an interim, emergency basis. John would still have been a member of the band.

[gldstwmn]

Again, only on an interim, emergency basis. John would still have been a member of the band.

Yes. They were trying to finish the tour and no one knew how serious John's illness was. It wasn't like they were firing hom or anything.

[SteveMacD]

Yes. They were trying to finish the tour and no one knew how serious John's illness was. It wasn't like they were firing hom or anything.

And, they canceled the rest of the tour right after the last European show, so I doubt they even gave serious consideration of doing a leg without him. I remember that morning because someone posted a video of them leaving the hotel for the show, and Christine was there, which made me think she was seriously wanting back in. It was exciting! And then I read the news about John’s cancer and tour being canceled.

[secondhandchain]

Mick is the ultimate carnival barker/snakeoil salesman. Like KISS, I'm surprised he's not hawking Fleetwood Mac coffins.

[gldstwmn]

While there's a thin line between baiting and namecalling and band bashing, it's not against the rules to disparage FM members.
Michele

Unfortunately that is the reason many no longer come here. Hey I know it was your site, you pay the bills, you can do what you want. But if everyone's not really welcome here why not just change the name to the Lindsey Buckingham misogynists forum? This last seismic event in the Fleetwood Mac saga has made this forum a very ugly place to be with a clique mentality that is rife with favoritism. People nearly had an aneurysm when I pointed out some of Lindsey's (perceived) flaws. And yet if you're a Stevie fan and don't necessarily disagree with the "firing" then it's open season. What's really sad is that people are rooting for them to fail. What does it say about us as human beings that we want something bad to happen to people we don't even know but are so invested in that we come here every day just to talk about them and find out what's going on.

[gldstwmn]

Mick is the ultimate carnival barker/snakeoil salesman. Like KISS did, I'm surprised he's not hawking Fleetwood Mac coffins.

Kiss was not so much a band as a marketing plan.

[HomerMcvie]

Here we go again...

[secondhandchain]

Unfortunately that is the reason many no longer come here. Hey I know it was your site, you pay the bills, you can do what you want. But if everyone's not really welcome here why not just change the name to the Lindsey Buckingham misogynists forum? This last seismic event in the Fleetwood Mac saga has made this forum a very ugly place to be with a clique mentality that is rife with favoritism. People nearly had an aneurysm when I pointed out some of Lindsey's (perceived) flaws. And yet if you're a Stevie fan and don't necessarily disagree with the "firing" then it's open season. What's really sad is that people are rooting for them to fail. What does it say about us as human beings that we want something bad to happen to people we don't even know but are so invested in that we come here every day just to talk about them and find out what's going on.

It is sad it has become like this, BUT what they did was a seismic event at the very end of their amazing careers. A slap in the face to the fans. They couldn't work it out for ONE more tour? It was the final straw for many of us and now we want to see how it all plays out. Sorry.

[HomerMcvie]

And just because people don't like someone who JUST HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN, doesn't mean it's misogyny!

Jesus, I'll bet that cross gets mighty heavy after a while.

[secondhandchain]

And just because people don't like someone who JUST HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN, doesn't mean it's misogyny!

Jesus, I'll bet that cross gets mighty heavy after a while.

Exactly, it has nothing to do with that at all. For me personally it has been her behavior the last few years specifically. I had been a huge fan up until then...well except her Rock A Little era voice, which was douchechill inducing.

[HomerMcvie]

Exactly, it has nothing to do with that at all. For me personally it has been her behavior the last few years specifically. I had been a huge fan up until then...well except her Rock A Little era voice, which was douchechill inducing.

But she's a woman, so you're NOT ALLOWED to dislike her! Got it!?

[secondhandchain]

But she's a woman, so you're NOT ALLOWED to dislike her! Got it!?

Is it ok if I say Mick is a money grubbing, cheap wine hawking, D bag?
BTW if you've never been to his place in H,I it's nice but the merchandise for sale everywhere is hysterical.

[AncientQueen]

I honestly fail to see how anyone can still like Stevie on a personal level. I'm fully convinced that she played the "him or me" card. She is the architect behind the house of cards that FM has become.
No consideration, just selfishness.

[HomerMcvie]

Is it ok if I say Mick is a money grubbing, cheap wine hawking, D bag?
BTW if you've never been to his place in H,I it's nice but the merchandise for sale everywhere is hysterical.

I agree. Mick and Stevie both suck donkey balls.

At least the McVies come across as just "stupid company shills". I mean, they suck too, but at least they try to hide it!

I can only imagine the sh*t that whore is trying to sell there. The MAN is shameless.

[HomerMcvie]

I honestly fail to see how anyone can still like Stevie on a personal level. I'm fully convinced that she played the "him or me" card. She is the architect behind the house of cards that FM has become.
No consideration, just selfishness.
I wish she weren't surrounded by yes people. I really think that's the end of being real, for many stars. No reality, just a dozen people around them, 24/7, telling them how wonderful they are.

That Karen should take a long walk off a short pier, I tell ya...

[dreamsunwind]

I honestly fail to see how anyone can still like Stevie on a personal level. I'm fully convinced that she played the "him or me" card. She is the architect behind the house of cards that FM has become.
No consideration, just selfishness.

I'll admit that I'm very mad/disappointed in Stevie and I was frustrated with her before this whole thing happened but I can't imagine myself ever actively disliking Stevie. I think she's a good person inherently, her biggest flaw perhaps being her 'diva'/narcissist tendencies, I think she just made a really wrong call with this one, largely due to her grief for Tom. I think she just wanted Mike in the band and would do whatever it took. Same how she wanted Sheryl in the band back in the SYW days so she could have a friend, but x100. After Tom's death she wanted to be as close as possible to the people closest to Tom. Kind of creepily analogous to how she married her best friend's widow shortly after she died. She's human and she doesn't handle grief well.
I still 150% believe when she gets out of this headspace she's going to really, really regret this. I think it might actually break her heart down the line that she let this happen.

[dreamsunwind]

]I wish she weren't surrounded by yes people[/B]. I really think that's the end of being real, for many stars. No reality, just a dozen people around them, 24/7, telling them how wonderful they are.

That Karen should take a long walk off a short pier, I tell ya...

Totally agree with this, I think this has been one of the worst things for her. Her entourage themselves have even said that they do what keeps her happy, so I think she just lives in her own little world.

[The Catdancer]

Exactly, it has nothing to do with that at all. For me personally it has been her behavior the last few years specifically. I had been a huge fan up until then...well except her Rock A Little era voice, which was douchechill inducing.

Same here. I used to love her to death up until 10 or so years ago. Her interaction (or lack thereof) with her fans is disgusting. And there are several more reasons including her writing and singing. But yeah, her behavior... it's ALL about HER, she's always a victim, it's always somebody else's fault (especially Lindsey's) and she doesn't take responsibility for anything whatsoever.

[The Catdancer]

Totally agree with this, I think this has been one of the worst things for her. Her entourage themselves have even said that they do what keeps her happy, so I think she just lives in her own little world.

Yep, and that started way back in the 80's and it continued to grow.

[dreamsunwind]

Same here. I used to love her to death up until 10 or so years ago. Her interaction (or lack thereof) with her fans is disgusting. And there are several more reasons including her writing and singing. But yeah, her behavior... it's ALL about HER, she's always a victim, it's always somebody else's fault (especially Lindsey's) and she doesn't take responsibility for anything whatsoever.

Did Stevie ever interact with fans much to begin with? I don't mean it in a bad way but to me it seems like ever since she got famous she's always been kind to fans in the brief seconds that she'll sign something for them before getting rushed off by her peeps/have a meet and greet to promote something and that's about it. Just hasn't she always been that way? It's not like she's not nice to them, but she just doesn't really open herself much. Maybe she's worried for safety?

[cactusjack]

^ever heard of a little thing called Edge Walk?

[TrueFaith77]

^ever heard of a little thing called Edge Walk?

has that changed in recent years?

[Storms123]

has that changed in recent years?

Yes it has
24kg which I saw 4 Times, just a whole lotta tambo shaking in our faces as she walked along the perimeter

[TrueFaith77]

Yes it has
24kg which I saw 4 Times, just a whole lotta tambo shaking in our faces as she walked along the perimeter

aww I held her hand at an edge walk 10 years ago :(

[Dr.Brown]

aww I held her hand at an edge walk 10 years ago :(

Giving her the benefit of the doubt, perhaps at the Edge of 70 she isn't as flexible anymore and can't bend down as much?
.

[jkmaletic]

Giving her the benefit of the doubt, perhaps at the Edge of 70 she isn't as flexible anymore and can't bend down as much?
.

She's not. She always said she would do it until she can't do it anymore and that was in 2011. She mentioned then that her back and knees are really jacked up. I think she's gotten to the point where she can't do the hand shaking anymore.

Jamie

[button-lip]

And just because people don't like someone who JUST HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN, doesn't mean it's misogyny!

Jesus, I'll bet that cross gets mighty heavy after a while.

Yep, I dislike her and I'm a woman (as far as I know :laugh:). And I know many women that dislike her, so... :shrug:

Funny how each of us see a tragedy in different places. I don't see the idea of the tour failing as wanting something bad to happen to them. It's not like we're wanting them to die! Their bank accounts will be a bit thinner. Big deal! It's the same as some fans being happy because Lindsey was fired, right? :rolleyes:

[AncientQueen]

I'll admit that I'm very mad/disappointed in Stevie and I was frustrated with her before this whole thing happened but I can't imagine myself ever actively disliking Stevie. I think she's a good person inherently, her biggest flaw perhaps being her 'diva'/narcissist tendencies, I think she just made a really wrong call with this one, largely due to her grief for Tom. I think she just wanted Mike in the band and would do whatever it took. Same how she wanted Sheryl in the band back in the SYW days so she could have a friend, but x100. After Tom's death she wanted to be as close as possible to the people closest to Tom. Kind of creepily analogous to how she married her best friend's widow shortly after she died. She's human and she doesn't handle grief well.
I still 150% believe when she gets out of this headspace she's going to really, really regret this. I think it might actually break her heart down the line that she let this happen.
I understand where you are coming from and I wish I could see it the same way, I really do. But this is just the final act of the long way downhill of my appreciation for Stevie. The last years weren't easy in this regard and this is the icing on the cake for me. I just can't with her anymore.

[ryan4136]

Why does anyone do something over and over again.....because it works.

While there are some critical on here of her attitude, the reality is, there are many who support her and applaud her exactly for that attitude.

She's a soul sister for many that feel they are victims of whatever situation they might be facing. This has emboldened Stevie, and reaffirmed to her that this point of view that has engulfed her life is the correct one.

Stevie (and Lindsey for that matter) lives in a world of Black and White...winners and losers, there is no grey, no inbetween. This is prevelent in lyrics and actions. Life is a scorecard to Stevie, she remembers each talley mark in each collum.

[AncientQueen]

Same here. I used to love her to death up until 10 or so years ago. Her interaction (or lack thereof) with her fans is disgusting. And there are several more reasons including her writing and singing. But yeah, her behavior... it's ALL about HER, she's always a victim, it's always somebody else's fault (especially Lindsey's) and she doesn't take responsibility for anything whatsoever.Yes! ITA. I have still not recovered from my last concert experience with FM, where she suddenly, after half of the gig, lost interest, she was upset about something. She did not even try to appear professional after that. People in the first row were dumbfounded by her attitude. We thought that maybe she was upset because we were cheering at Christine at all times. You could see how the other bandmembers tried to cover up her desinterest, especially Lindsey.

I had payed 300€ for one first row ticket and girlfriend did not even say good night that night. I'm still not over that.

[button-lip]

Yes! ITA. I have still not recovered from my last concert experience with FM, where she suddenly, after half of the gig, lost interest, she was upset about something. She did not even try to appear professional after that. People in the first row were dumbfounded by her attitude. We thought that maybe she was upset because we were cheering at Christine at all times. You could see how the other bandmembers tried to cover up her desinterest, especially Lindsey.

I had payed 300€ for one first row ticket and girlfriend did not even say good night that night. I'm still not over that.

:shocked: Well, at least it wasn't because of Lindsey :D

This time Lindsey won't be there anymore to cover her up. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

Yes! ITA. I have still not recovered from my last concert experience with FM, where she suddenly, after half of the gig, lost interest, she was upset about something. She did not even try to appear professional after that. People in the first row were dumbfounded by her attitude. We thought that maybe she was upset because we were cheering at Christine at all times. You could see how the other bandmembers tried to cover up her desinterest, especially Lindsey.

I had payed 300€ for one first row ticket and girlfriend did not even say good night that night. I'm still not over that.

See, it's ALL about her. That's a reason why Lindsey is out. And she's jealous that Christine came back. She has to be the center of attention, or she has a hissy fit.

She should have just quit the band and stayed solo.

[sodascouts]

I'll admit that I'm very mad/disappointed in Stevie and I was frustrated with her before this whole thing happened but I can't imagine myself ever actively disliking Stevie. I think she's a good person inherently, her biggest flaw perhaps being her 'diva'/narcissist tendencies, I think she just made a really wrong call with this one, largely due to her grief for Tom. I think she just wanted Mike in the band and would do whatever it took. Same how she wanted Sheryl in the band back in the SYW days so she could have a friend, but x100. After Tom's death she wanted to be as close as possible to the people closest to Tom. Kind of creepily analogous to how she married her best friend's widow shortly after she died. She's human and she doesn't handle grief well.
I still 150% believe when she gets out of this headspace she's going to really, really regret this. I think it might actually break her heart down the line that she let this happen.

I feel the same way. In fact, as I was driving home yesterday, "Italian Summer" came on my iPod which is my favorite track from In Your Dreams, and I starting singing along and thinking how much I love Stevie's music. She puts so much of herself into that music that by extension, I will never hate her.

Like you, I believe she is a good person and this is all a horrible aberration in her character that she will come to regret. I just hope she comes to her senses before one of them dies, and that when she does, Lindsey can extend her the same forgiveness he has received from her in the past.

I'm upset that my favorite band is in the crapper, even angry at times, but I can't hate Stevie. Maybe this is a much lower intensity, less extreme version of Lindsey's love/hate sans the romantic history, lol.

[button-lip]

I feel the same way. In fact, as I was driving home yesterday, "Italian Summer" came on my iPod which is my favorite track from In Your Dreams, and I starting singing along and thinking how much I love Stevie's music. She puts so much of herself into that music that by extension, I will never hate her.

Like you, I believe she is a good person and this is all a horrible aberration in her character that she will come to regret. I just hope she comes to her senses before one of them dies, and that when she does, Lindsey can extend her the same forgiveness he has received from her in the past.

I'm upset that my favorite band is in the crapper, even angry at times, but I can't hate Stevie. Maybe this is a much lower intensity, less extreme version of Lindsey's love/hate sans the romantic history, lol.

Well, Lindsey was never responsible of Stevie's firing.... and I think he has already forgiven her many times in the past.

I don't think this was a rushed decision, like many fans like to think. I think she knew what was at stake when she decided to put Lindsey's firing in motion. I don't think there will be regrets, or apologies, or come back to the band.

And I really hope I'm wrong because I'd love to see them all one more time.

[sodascouts]

Funny how each of us see a tragedy in different places. I don't see the idea of the tour failing as wanting something bad to happen to them. It's not like we're wanting them to die! Their bank accounts will be a bit thinner. Big deal! It's the same as some fans being happy because Lindsey was fired, right? :rolleyes:

Seriously. I don't want the tour to fail so badly that they all wind up bankrupt (which would be impossible anyway, because it's my understanding that they all receive "guarantees" of a certain amount of money regardless of how well the shows do)*. I just want them to sell poorly enough that they realize they need Lindsey, and ask him back.

As time passes, though, and the casual fans hear all that great FM music during commercials, they may get a craving to hear it live and sales may begin to pick up. I'm not counting on poor sales continuing. We'll see.


*Of course, I also recognize that they are all richer than Midas without the tour, unless Mick has somehow managed to spend all of his money again.

[gldstwmn]

And just because people don't like someone who JUST HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN, doesn't mean it's misogyny!



I'm seeing a deep seated dislike and mistrust of women in general. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

I honestly fail to see how anyone can still like Stevie on a personal level.

I don't know Stevie on a personal level. Most of us don't. That was kind of my point.

[gldstwmn]

Stevie (and Lindsey for that matter) lives in a world of Black and White...winners and losers, there is no grey, no inbetween. This is prevelent in lyrics and actions. Life is a scorecard to Stevie, she remembers each talley mark in each collum.

I have often wished they would expound a little more on the whole winners and losers theme that has shown up in their writing since Buckingham Nicks. You're right on the money with this statement.

[gldstwmn]

Yep, I dislike her and I'm a woman (as far as I know :laugh:). And I know many women that dislike her, so... :shrug:

Funny how each of us see a tragedy in different places. I don't see the idea of the tour failing as wanting something bad to happen to them. It's not like we're wanting them to die! Their bank accounts will be a bit thinner. Big deal! It's the same as some fans being happy because Lindsey was fired, right? :rolleyes:

I guess this is in reference to my comment. I never said and don't feel happy that Lindsey was fired.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm seeing a deep seated dislike and mistrust of women in general. :shrug:

You and your cross. We had a really nice time during your last... vacation. I'll bet the next one is permanent.

[sodascouts]

I don't think this was a rushed decision, like many fans like to think. I think she knew what was at stake when she decided to put Lindsey's firing in motion. I don't think there will be regrets, or apologies, or come back to the band.


I'm not saying spur of the moment, but simply stewing since Tom Petty's death.

She could have pulled a move like this before, and she didn't. Something changed. I believe that "something" was his death in October 2017.

The official explanation is that what changed was tour logistics, but come on! That doesn't add up. You don't destroy a band over that, especially when you replace him before letting him know that his request was apparently a deal-breaker. He leaves thinking they're considering it and is told after the fact that they've replaced him.

After hearing what his backing band member said / seeing the evidence regarding Lindsey leaving MusiCares believing he was still part of the tour, and seeing the lies perpetuated in the interview with Stevie interjecting that she just wanted to be happy when explaining why Lindsey was fired, it all became clear: he was stressing Stevie out and she used this conflict to remove him from the picture so the tour would be stress-free for her. She said it herself: Tom's death made her realize she just wanted to do whatever she needed to do to be happy.

That's why I think her grief is affecting her logic. Tom would be appalled that he's being used to justify Lindsey's firing. He was Lindsey's friend! I think Stevie will come to realize that treating Lindsey like that isn't really going to make her happy. True happiness cannot be derived from hurting others, no matter how "stress-free" it makes things in the short-term.

[Neal]

That's why I think her grief is affecting her logic. Tom would be appalled that he's being used to justify Lindsey's firing. He was Lindsey's friend! I think Stevie will come to realize that treating Lindsey like that isn't really going to make her happy. True happiness cannot be derived from hurting others, no matter how "stress-free" it makes things in the short-term.

Amen!

I also hope she realizes her "stress-free" tour has stressed out and further splintered FM's millions of fans... :distress:

[gldstwmn]

You and your cross. We had a really nice time during your last... vacation. I'll bet the next one is permanent.

And each time you respond to me it only further proves my point of view. Have a nice day David.

[jmn3]

I'm seeing a deep seated dislike and mistrust of women in general. :shrug:

That’s about as big of a jump as anything I’ve ever read here. The guy doesn’t like Stevie Nicks so you project that as being a deep seated dislike and mistrust of women? Wow...:rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

That’s about as big of a jump as anything I’ve ever read here. The guy doesn’t like Stevie Nicks so you project that as being a deep seated dislike and mistrust of women? Wow...:rolleyes:

Yup. I'm that simple.

[jbrownsjr]

Knock off the sexist and misogyny bullcrap already.

I don't think anyone here takes aim at Stevie because she is a woman.
And I certainly would never rejoice in any violence against her or Carol or anyone else. THOSE AREN'T THE ISSUES IN THIS CURRENT TIME.

There are a lot of issues here to be angry about. Calling someone sexist or racist is a HUGE accusation to make and it won't be tolerated here. We don't know each other well enough to make those assumptions.

If you feel that way about someone being racist, sexist, homophobic etc... take it up with me, Giulia or Michele. Bring evidence... and not just.. he called her a goat.. All 5 members have been raked over here.

I will leave my public opinion on Stevie and Mick's behavior aside for the moment to say that there's no room on this board for any of that bullcrap. We've known each other for a long time. (most of us)

Find a different argument on BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN.

Ok... Peace to all of you... Keep the debates rolling....

[gldstwmn]

Knock off the sexist and misogyny bullcrap already.

I don't think anyone here takes aim at Stevie because she is a woman.
And I certainly would never rejoice in any violence against her or Carol or anyone else. THOSE AREN'T THE ISSUES IN THIS CURRENT TIME.

There are a lot of issues here to be angry about. Calling someone sexist or racist is a HUGE accusation to make and it won't be tolerated here. We don't know each other well enough to make those assumptions.

If you feel that way about someone being racist, sexist, homophobic etc... take it up with me, Giulia or Michele. Bring evidence... and not just.. he called her a goat.. All 5 members have been raked over here.

I will leave my public opinion on Stevie and Mick's behavior aside for the moment to say that there's no room on this board for any of that bullcrap. We've known each other for a long time. (most of us)

Find a different argument on BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN.

Ok... Peace to all of you... Keep the debates rolling....

I didn't call anyone specific a misogynist. I do see a lot of misogyny here in general. That's exactly what I said. And the fact that here you are so quickly shows me which side the bread is buttered on. I've been called all kinds of things and in a post upthread was threatened with permanent banning but that's okay. Don't worry I'm out. Go ahead and finish running this place into the ground. Lindsey has an army now so why not make it a crusade. I think it''s hilarious and highly ironic that you're a man who thinks sexism and misogyny is "bullcrap." That's because you've never been on the receiving end of it. It's not my job to bring evidence for you. It's not even hard to find. As far as knowing each other for a long time you've just admitted to giving your friends a pass. I've been around for almost 20 years too. What I'm trying to tell you is a large chunk of the fan community has been run off by this but no one wants to say it because of that very clique mentality and favoritism I mentioned previously. I'm going to duck out now so that you and the boys can smoke some cigars and dance around singing ding dong the witch is dead. Which witch is up to you. Once this brouhaha has passed it's going to be the same five people saying the same old sh!t and their friends telling them how funny and right they are. Fleetwood Mac is dead. Long live Fleetwood Mac.

[Buster]

Gldstwmn, I completely agree with you about misogyny on the board and have called it out before. It is the primary reason I barely participate in discussions even though I was initially excited to join the board.

There are a lot of comments about Stevie that are based on her appearance and weight along with insulting names (such as hag). None of these comments are necessary. It is fine not to like her but adults should be able to express their dislike by discussing specific behavior and by using adult words. Resorting to nasty comments about appearance and using words like hag is age-old behavior by men to take down women, period. That behavior is not considered acceptable in most environments and shouldn’t be acceptable here.

The result is that nearly every thread is dominated by a couple of men, one of whom can’t seem to let any comment by anyone go by without a response. It is little wonder why there is so little participation and traction on this board.

I find it interesting that the immediate response by some is to insist there is no misogyny instead of stepping back for a minute and reflecting.

It’s fine at some level for the owner to say that negative comments about band members are fair game, but she should take some sort of stand against misogynistic behavior. Otherwise she is saying that such behavior is acceptable and I find that to be quite sad.

[mitzo]

Gldstwmn, I completely agree with you about misogyny on the board and have called it out before. It is the primary reason I barely participate in discussions even though I was initially excited to join the board.

There are a lot of comments about Stevie that are based on her appearance and weight along with insulting names (such as hag). None of these comments are necessary. It is fine not to like her but adults should be able to express their dislike by discussing specific behavior and by using adult words. Resorting to nasty comments about appearance and using words like hag is age-old behavior by men to take down women, period. That behavior is not considered acceptable in most environments and shouldn’t be acceptable here.

The result is that nearly every thread is dominated by a couple of men, one of whom can’t seem to let any comment by anyone go by without a response. It is little wonder why there is so little participation and traction on this board.

I find it interesting that the immediate response by some is to insist there is no misogyny instead of stepping back for a minute and reflecting.

It’s fine at some level for the owner to say that negative comments about band members are fair game, but she should take some sort of stand against misogynistic behavior. Otherwise she is saying that such behavior is acceptable and I find that to be quite sad.

Yup, all the above. There is a lot of anger on these boards from people male and female who dominate most threads. Trashy stuff, mostly, but also way out of line at times.

Some FM fans and especially those of some of its former members really are scary.

[AncientQueen]

Gldstwmn, I completely agree with you about misogyny on the board and have called it out before. It is the primary reason I barely participate in discussions even though I was initially excited to join the board. Resorting to nasty comments about appearance and using words like hag is age-old behavior by men to take down women, period. That behavior is not considered acceptable in most environments and shouldn’t be acceptable here.

The result is that nearly every thread is dominated by a couple of men, one of whom can’t seem to let any comment by anyone go by without a response. It is little wonder why there is so little participation and traction on this board.

I find it interesting that the immediate response by some is to insist there is no misogyny instead of stepping back for a minute and reflecting.

It’s fine at some level for the owner to say that negative comments about band members are fair game, but she should take some sort of stand against misogynistic behavior. Otherwise she is saying that such behavior is acceptable and I find that to be quite sad.
So you are criticizing the female owner of this site about how she handles misogynistic behaviour?
Exactly my humor. :thumbsup:

I stepped back and reflected the 15 years I'm posting here more or less frequent. IMHO misogynistic behaviour is not common. It happens, but is usually not tolerated between members, other members will step up to put the aggressor in his place.

I'm a woman and I barely manage to not insult Stevie right now, but if, I wouldn't because of her appearance, age or gender, only because of her (*=%&*) character.

And, while you may find that sad, I feel that Stevie herself opened this can of worms by her (sorry, but: unacceptable, infuriating, selfish, delusial) behaviour over the last years. It's not right to insult her appeareance, but it is so tempting, given how she acts of lately, how she seemingly became an ugly person inside. And Stevie herself has always been the one to focus all attention to her looks, everything she does inhabits the element of her being exceptional beautiful. If you look around here, you'll find alot less comments in that regard about Christine, because she does not focus on her appeareance at all, so noone else will. I'm not saying that makes bashing Stevie for her looks okay, I'm merely explaining a possible reason for it.
Because people here are upset, angry and (yes, even) hurt by the recent development, they deal with it in different ways. It may be not nice or pretty, but the current situation is not nice or pretty either.

[ryan4136]

These accusations are just a redirect to change focus from the dirty deed done

[Dr.Brown]

These accusations are just a redirect to change focus from the dirty deed done

Agreed, and the comments are no longer focused on the band but on issues of semantics that would probably be more fitting under the Hot Topics thread.

BTW, I have no hesitation in calling Mi¢k a money-grubbing bastard. I think $tevie was the catalyst and he was all too happy to go along as long as it kept the gravy train rolling.

I think John and Christine are there out of loyalty to Mi¢k but I am disappointed they didn't have the decency to realize the band really should just call it a day at this point. I predict one or the other will do so by the end of the new lineup's tour.
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[jbrownsjr]

I didn't call anyone specific a misogynist. I do see a lot of misogyny here in general. That's exactly what I said. And the fact that here you are so quickly shows me which side the bread is buttered on. I've been called all kinds of things and in a post upthread was threatened with permanent banning but that's okay. Don't worry I'm out. Go ahead and finish running this place into the ground. Lindsey has an army now so why not make it a crusade. I think it''s hilarious and highly ironic that you're a man who thinks sexism and misogyny is "bullcrap." That's because you've never been on the receiving end of it. It's not my job to bring evidence for you. It's not even hard to find. As far as knowing each other for a long time you've just admitted to giving your friends a pass. I've been around for almost 20 years too. What I'm trying to tell you is a large chunk of the fan community has been run off by this but no one wants to say it because of that very clique mentality and favoritism I mentioned previously. I'm going to duck out now so that you and the boys can smoke some cigars and dance around singing ding dong the witch is dead. Which witch is up to you. Once this brouhaha has passed it's going to be the same five people saying the same old sh!t and their friends telling them how funny and right they are. Fleetwood Mac is dead. Long live Fleetwood Mac.

First off, I'm gay and don't smoke cigars. Secondly, I've been in an abusive relationship on the receiving end of a man's fist. However, I'm not going to play the victim of it on a Fleetwood Mac forum where people are angry about this member or that member. This is not up for discussion in this forum.

You are free to get mad and leave. Nobody is stopping you. But, I won't allow you to make it worse for actual victims of abuse by conveniently spouting off about sexism and misogyny in a Fleetwood Mac forum where you are using it to push your agenda. And that's exactly what you are doing here. I'll say it one more time. You don't know the other members here well enough to make those assumptions. Stick to talking Fleetwood Mac or leave. You've been a respected member here for a long time. But this doesn't fly.

[secondhandchain]

Gldstwmn, I completely agree with you about misogyny on the board and have called it out before. It is the primary reason I barely participate in discussions even though I was initially excited to join the board.

There are a lot of comments about Stevie that are based on her appearance and weight along with insulting names (such as hag). None of these comments are necessary. It is fine not to like her but adults should be able to express their dislike by discussing specific behavior and by using adult words. Resorting to nasty comments about appearance and using words like hag is age-old behavior by men to take down women, period. That behavior is not considered acceptable in most environments and shouldn’t be acceptable here.

The result is that nearly every thread is dominated by a couple of men, one of whom can’t seem to let any comment by anyone go by without a response. It is little wonder why there is so little participation and traction on this board.

I find it interesting that the immediate response by some is to insist there is no misogyny instead of stepping back for a minute and reflecting.

It’s fine at some level for the owner to say that negative comments about band members are fair game, but she should take some sort of stand against misogynistic behavior. Otherwise she is saying that such behavior is acceptable and I find that to be quite sad.


Meanwhile we call Mick an old greedy, huckster. It has NOTHING, ZERO, zero, 0.0 to do with her being a woman. How many times can we say it. It is about her AND MICK'S behavior. PERIOD.

[Feather Blade]

Gldstwmn, please reconsider leaving. Enough people have given up on this board as it is. If it dwindles down to the same few people back slapping each other over who can come up with the nastiest comment, it will be well and truly dead. Nobody should feel not welcome to share their own thoughts and opinions on whatever side of an issue they fall on. You are part of this community, don't let anyone run you away!

[Missy]

I normally don't post and looks like I'm heading off again. Ty to those however in the Post Rumours forum I had some interesting conversation with lately. I appreciate the talents of everyone in this band and what they gave us, even if at times under difficult circumstances.

They've tried to keep going as an act after tormented breakups. Stevie has an ego sure. Lindsey has a huge ego as well and since Rumours has tried to control the direction of the group, with middling results. He's such a brilliant guitarist but apart from two or three songs I've never really been into what he does. Maybe that makes me not a true FM fan, but there are folks who still miss Peter Green and preferred his playing. If LB is only one you like there is his solo career he can pursue.

These five had unique chemistry and still do live in concert, but out of that context once the show is over 'the thrill is gone' and I don't think it's just attitudes. It's just how life is.

Christine brought back some momentum with her return but now they seem back in a rut without strong new material. All five in the studio trying to do something new however might have just been detrimental to the balance of the group, which is delicate anyway - as with many former couples, the best you can sometimes hope for is to be civil but it's never gonna be really the same as it was before.

It's well known how temperamental and controlling Lindsey can be. He may keep it in check with Christine but they can't carry everything and reviews/reception of their work and performances together have been mixed. Which suggests that they're not the only driving talent and drawcard in this band.

These are older people now. All in or pushing their 70s but trying to still rock like they did when new groups weren't born yet. I have feeling maybe they should have just shut down everything. But I expect the upcoming tour will still be high performing standard.

They can still do it, but have to work around a few limitations nowadays. As for SN no longer interacting with audiences. Yeah I've noticed. She has poor vision. Christine said how she helps lead her off stage because she can't see well. To avoid risk of injury I think Stevie is more careful where and how she moves, while she puts more focus on other aspects of the performance. It's a shame but getting hurt would just screw up everything.

I have to say I see things here and if I didn't know better I'd think I was on a haters site, not a fan site? I can take constructive criticism or assessment. But don't know the need for posts that are just name calling and innuendo.

Nothing lasts forever but grateful for the recordings and memories of the era. Okay cutting it now, rant over, see yas and take care.

[Nathan]

I have to say I see things here and if I didn't know better I'd think I was on a haters site, not a fan site?

You sure have that right!

Good post, thanks.

[Missy]

You sure have that right!

Good post, thanks.

So I'm not the only one? Lol.

Ty and I think I'll wait for some more promos or publicity for this tour. Then see where things are at.

[MoonSister75]

So I'm not the only one? Lol.

Ty and I think I'll wait for some more promos or publicity for this tour. Then see where things are at.

No, you are definitely not the only one.

If it dwindles down to the same few people back slapping each other over who can come up with the nastiest comment, it will be well and truly dead.

This is the crux of the problem. A few people are posting way more often than other members, so their narrative becomes the dominant one, and it's a particularly negative, nasty one. I'm baffled as to why some people get so much enjoyment out of denigrating others, but that's the way of the world it seems. There are so many other points of view that get drowned out on here. It's a real shame how ugly this site is much of the time.

I didn't come here for months until I saw the news of Lindsey being fired, which I read on a music magazine website. So I came back to find that nothing much has changed in terms of the conversation and dominant voices. It's sad that things can't change, but I really do appreciate all the other voices trying to cut through the noise, and offer something different, with interesting and positive things to say.

[Dr.Brown]

It's a real shame how ugly this site is much of the time.

Despite Mick's reluctance to use the word, something 'ugly' did indeed happen, destroying the Rumours lineup just at the twilight of this band's existence. One would expect that those posting in the Rumours forum would be very upset about the apparent duplicity and backstabbing that took place. It's a real shame how 'ugly' this band has become. :(

[SteveMacD]

Despite Mick's reluctance to use the word, something 'ugly' did indeed happen, destroying the Rumours lineup just at the twilight of this band's existence. One would expect that those posting in the Rumours forum would be very upset about the apparent duplicity and backstabbing that took place. It's a real shame how 'ugly' this band has become. :(

Oh come on...

Backstabbing?

It’s not like Lindsey was happy in the band anymore. Yes, he was counting on it, but it’s not like Fleetwood Mac was something he was really passionate about doing. Not after LBCM. There were disagreements over setlists, his lack of enthusiasm at Classic West matched his grab the money and run comment, and he was planning a concurrent tour. I can’t think of any other band where that would fly, and I won’t hold Fleetwood Mac to a different standard.

Can you seriously tell me that he looks happy in this picture?

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[MoonSister75]

Despite Mick's reluctance to use the word, something 'ugly' did indeed happen, destroying the Rumours lineup just at the twilight of this band's existence. One would expect that those posting in the Rumours forum would be very upset about the apparent duplicity and backstabbing that took place. It's a real shame how 'ugly' this band has become. :(


That's not the ugliness I was referring to. I completely appreciate there are feelings of upset and anger as a reaction to Lindsey being fired. I was talking more about the ugliness that other posters mentioned above - the bitching and nastiness that has often been prevalent on here, way before Lindsey being fired.

[MoonSister75]

Can you seriously tell me that he looks happy in this picture?

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There were definite signs that all was not well within the band :shrug:

I hope they'll be happier apart.

[jbrownsjr]

Oh come on...

Backstabbing?

It’s not like Lindsey was happy in the band anymore. Yes, he was counting on it, but it’s not like Fleetwood Mac was something he was really passionate about doing. Not after LBCM. There were disagreements over setlists, his lack of enthusiasm at Classic West matched his grab the money and run comment, and he was planning a concurrent tour. I can’t think of any other band where that would fly, and I won’t hold Fleetwood Mac to a different standard.

Can you seriously tell me that he looks happy in this picture?

13096

Hahahaha!! That was funny... Maybe that's when she said.. Ima get you fired Lindsey!! You're gonna need a sugar daddy!!

[jbrownsjr]

That's not the ugliness I was referring to. I completely appreciate there are feelings of upset and anger as a reaction to Lindsey being fired. I was talking more about the ugliness that other posters mentioned above - the bitching and nastiness that has often been prevalent on here, way before Lindsey being fired.

Thanks MoonSister.. :wavey:

that's why I wanna keep the thread on topic and not about political or social issues that scream... "Danger Will Robinson!!""

[MoonSister75]

Thanks MoonSister.. :wavey:

that's why I wanna keep the thread on topic and not about political or social issues that scream... "Danger Will Robinson!!""

That's ok - I hope the explanation helped :wavey:

Ok, back to the price drops... :)

[jbrownsjr]

That's ok - I hope the explanation helped :wavey:

Ok, back to the price drops... :)

So how about that Carol Anne book?? :laugh::laugh::laugh: just kidding...

Back to our regularly Stevie Mick bashing programs... :xoxo:

[MoonSister75]

Back to our regularly Stevie Mick bashing programs... :xoxo:

I would expect no more or less, given the concrete evidence here on the Ledge that Stevie and Mick are both evil plotters .... ;):xoxo:

now really, back to the price drops - anyone have any news on the price drops?!

[sodascouts]

Oh come on...

Backstabbing?

It’s not like Lindsey was happy in the band anymore. Yes, he was counting on it, but it’s not like Fleetwood Mac was something he was really passionate about doing. Not after LBCM. There were disagreements over setlists, his lack of enthusiasm at Classic West matched his grab the money and run comment, and he was planning a concurrent tour. I can’t think of any other band where that would fly, and I won’t hold Fleetwood Mac to a different standard.

Can you seriously tell me that he looks happy in this picture?

13096

There's a lot of people who aren't 100% thrilled with their jobs who still wouldn't apprecite being fired from them, especially in an underhanded way.

Not to mention it's not black and white. You can be unhappy about certain aspects of your job and find others very gratifying.

Out of all the ways to justify the firing, "It will make Lindsey happy" is probably the weakest.

[SteveMacD]

There's a lot of people who aren't 100% thrilled with their jobs who still wouldn't apprecite being fired from them, especially in an underhanded way.

Not to mention it's not black and white. You can be unhappy about certain aspects of your job and find others very gratifying.

Out of all the ways to justify the firing, "It will make Lindsey happy" is probably the weakest.

His happiness, or unhappiness to be more accurate, is only relevant when it starts affecting his performances and his attitude towards what he’s giving to the band. Lindsey stopped being able to hide his unhappiness, and that can become a cancer in a situation like Fleetwood Mac. I actually respect that he couldn’t hide it, but I can also see why the others wouldn’t want to deal with it.

[dreamsunwind]

There's a lot of people who aren't 100% thrilled with their jobs who still wouldn't apprecite being fired from them, especially in an underhanded way.

Not to mention it's not black and white. You can be unhappy about certain aspects of your job and find others very gratifying.

Out of all the ways to justify the firing, "It will make Lindsey happy" is probably the weakest.

100% agree.
Yes it's no secret Lindsey didn't enjoy the Classic shows. They were just two shows and given his stance on becoming an "oldies act" it's not hard to see why he didn't like them, as it was probably the most shameless money grab/oldies gig there was. But he was his great usual source of energy on the last tour as well as the Buckingham McVie tour and it has been confirmed that he wanted to tour and was looking forward to it. Especially if he thought he could do his solo shows at the same time to let his 'artist' side have its outlet.
He's obviously not happy at all about this. Look at the reaction from his family.

[dreamsunwind]

His happiness, or unhappiness to be more accurate, is only relevant when it starts affecting his performances and his attitude towards what he’s giving to the band. Lindsey stopped being able to hide his unhappiness, and that can become a cancer in a situation like Fleetwood Mac. I actually respect that he couldn’t hide it, but I can also see why the others wouldn’t want to deal with it.

Aside from the Classic shows-- TWO shows, literally just two pretty cheesy oldies shows with the Eagles and Journey and whoever else it was-- Lindsey has always been a great ball of energy when performing with FM, he was even he only mostly wanting to make a new album. I highly doubt he was so 'unhappy' in the band.

[sodascouts]

His happiness, or unhappiness to be more accurate, is only relevant when it starts affecting his performances and his attitude towards what he’s giving to the band. Lindsey stopped being able to hide his unhappiness, and that can become a cancer in a situation like Fleetwood Mac. I actually respect that he couldn’t hide it, but I can also see why the others wouldn’t want to deal with it.

How do you know his unhappiness started affecting his performances? You state this as if it's proven fact.

All you have is this:

1) In the opinion of some fans, he did not play as well as usual at two performances (BTW, I think people should watch his performance and see for themselves before repeating someone else's assessment of his playing that night).

2) Prior to these performances, in one interview, he stated that he was only doing these two performances for money.

#1 is a matter of opinion. Not everyone even agrees this is true.

Even if #1 were true, declaring that it must be caused by #2 is a logical fallacy:

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

In reality, there are many other things that could have affected his playing that night (if it was affected). You cannot state definitively it was due to his unhappiness with the situation, unless you are a mind reader. Consider that before you proffer it as justification for his firing.

[bombaysaffires]

His happiness, or unhappiness to be more accurate, is only relevant when it starts affecting his performances and his attitude towards what he’s giving to the band. Lindsey stopped being able to hide his unhappiness, and that can become a cancer in a situation like Fleetwood Mac. I actually respect that he couldn’t hide it, but I can also see why the others wouldn’t want to deal with it.

There have been plenty of shows where Stevie was going through the motions and was very clear she was not hiding her unhappiness. If that's a criterion for firing, girlfriend could have been given her walking papers a while ago.

[secondhandchain]

His happiness, or unhappiness to be more accurate, is only relevant when it starts affecting his performances and his attitude towards what he’s giving to the band. Lindsey stopped being able to hide his unhappiness, and that can become a cancer in a situation like Fleetwood Mac. I actually respect that he couldn’t hide it, but I can also see why the others wouldn’t want to deal with it.

Lindsey wanted to be in a CREATIVE band NOT a freaking cash grab oldies act. The ONLY person that stopped that is STEVIE.

[elle]

There have been plenty of shows where Stevie was going through the motions and was very clear she was not hiding her unhappiness. If that's a criterion for firing, girlfriend could have been given her walking papers a while ago.

i know!

what a ridiculous argument. unlike at her solo dates, most of her fans said how much she hated FM tours and was practically a zombie at many of the FM tour dates. but LB not looking at SN during GYOW at one of the Classics is considered him slacking off and a firing offense? yes. makes perfect sense.

[Storms123]

i know!

what a ridiculous argument. unlike at her solo dates, most of her fans said how much she hated FM tours and was practically a zombie at many of the FM tour dates. but LB not looking at SN during GYOW at one of the Classics is considered him slacking off and a firing offense? yes. makes perfect sense.

I was at Classic East---THE WHOLE BAND WAS OFF--None of them liked each other that night. First off, SNL got to the stage ~ 3-5 minutes after the rest of the band, was awkward. None of them seemed particularly in sync with each other. We still got the Sara and Landslide smoochy smoochy, but if LB was so checked out, why did he get so obviously annoyed when his guitar was out of tune on GYOW. He was no more checked out than the rest of them. That's a joke argument if I ever heard one!

[wondergirl9847]

There have been plenty of shows where Stevie was going through the motions and was very clear she was not hiding her unhappiness. If that's a criterion for firing, girlfriend could have been given her walking papers a while ago.

PREACH. I wasn't yet a fan in 1997-1998, but wasn't Christine also looking miserable at some of the Dance shows? She was probably going through the motions too, especially towards the end of that run.

[SteveMacD]

To be fair to Christine in 1997 (21 years ago), she had already retired from touring at the end of 1990, and her songs on”Time” made it clear she was leaving the band. Her presence on that tour was somewhat of a miracle, and I always thought it was her going out on top after a less than stellar decade. But, you could tell she was ready to be done.

As for Stevie…That’s not a point I want to argue. I’ve said many times since Mick’s Playboy interview that Stevie should be shown the door. And, I especially felt that when they called the album something other than Fleetwood Mac. She’s the money. Her people call the shots, and everyone plays along and gets their bag of money. Including Lindsey until recently. Fair? No. Just reality. One that makes me sick.

[DownOnRodeo]

I'm not sure which thread it was, but a couple of people suggested that Lindsey's current silence might be due to a sort of Stormy Daniels situation--taking some money and agreeing not to speak.

On reflection, that theory doesn't seem to gel at all with the SNS posts that have been made by his family; nor does it seem to gel with Lindsey as we know him (i.e. to choose money over principles/truth would surely be anathema to him).

[dreamsunwind]

I'm not sure which thread it was, but a couple of people suggested that Lindsey's current silence might be due to a sort of Stormy Daniels situation--taking some money and agreeing not to speak.

On reflection, that theory doesn't seem to gel at all with the SNS posts that have been made by his family; nor does it seem to gel with Lindsey as we know him (i.e. to choose money over principles/truth would surely be anathema to him).

I don't think it's anything like that at all.
He's just probably not going to comment on it right now, at least not through some press statement. It's not really his thing.

[HomerMcvie]

To be fair to Christine in 1997 (21 years ago), she had already retired from touring at the end of 1990, and her songs on”Time” made it clear she was leaving the band. Her presence on that tour was somewhat of a miracle, and I always thought it was her going out on top after a less than stellar decade. But, you could tell she was ready to be done.

As for Stevie…That’s not a point I want to argue. I’ve said many times since Mick’s Playboy interview that Stevie should be shown the door. And, I especially felt that when they called the album something other than Fleetwood Mac. She’s the money. Her people call the shots, and everyone plays along and gets their bag of money. Including Lindsey until recently. Fair? No. Just reality. One that makes me sick.

Good lort, you finally say something that I agree with!:sorry:

[jwd]

If I can get in for $50 bucks and it's within driving distance I'll go.......

[elle]

If I can get in for $50 bucks and it's within driving distance I'll go.......

i would need to be paid - thousands. and then i still wouldn't be able to listen to that. i'd need to go out to the bar, instead. just like i have to turn the channel when i listen to the FM SXM and Stevie or Mick come on. when Mick says they never broke the chain? he's either stupid, senile or both.

[jwd]

i would need to be paid - thousands. and then i still wouldn't be able to listen to that. i'd need to go out to the bar, instead. just like i have to turn the channel when i listen to the FM SXM and Stevie or Mick come on. when Mick says they never broke the chain? he's either stupid, senile or both.


I think the chances of either of us going are slim, given our stipulations. But it's not the end of the world. There's so much more out there!!!! :]:]:]:]:]:]:]

[jwd]

Is it sold out yet? Does everyone have their tickets?!

[Storms123]

Is it sold out yet? Does everyone have their tickets?!

Plenty of resale seats left at MSG---eek if those don't resell....AWKWARD. Ticket brokers MUST be kicking themselves right now

[dreamsunwind]

Is it sold out yet? Does everyone have their tickets?!

Both of the LA shows still have PLENTY of seats.

[jwd]

I hope this tour flops! **** the cash cow!

[Storms123]

I hope this tour flops! **** the cash cow!

I don't know if it will flop, but I don't see it being nearly as successful as OWTS--for the mere fact you don't have all 5 of them. I said it on another post, it's curious we haven't heard anything about ex-US dates yet. Promoters must be watching this closely. Also--and I may be wrong here--does Stevie have solo obligations towards the latter part of 2019? That will severely hamstring anything outside the US (although--maybe that's their out clause should "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" be an epic failure in the states) "We will resume the rest of this tour once Stevie finishes her solo obligations"...and in italics "And we crawl over hot flaming sharp coals to Lindsey Buckingham's house and beg him to save our a$$e$ once again"

[jwd]

I don't know if it will flop, but I don't see it being nearly as successful as OWTS--for the mere fact you don't have all 5 of them. I said it on another post, it's curious we haven't heard anything about ex-US dates yet. Promoters must be watching this closely. Also--and I may be wrong here--does Stevie have solo obligations towards the latter part of 2019? That will severely hamstring anything outside the US (although--maybe that's their out clause should "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" be an epic failure in the states) "We will resume the rest of this tour once Stevie finishes her solo obligations"...and in italics "And we crawl over hot flaming sharp coals to Lindsey Buckingham's house and beg him to save our a$$e$ once again"

He'd be a fool to say yes. LET IT BURN!

[The Catdancer]

I don't know if it will flop, but I don't see it being nearly as successful as OWTS--for the mere fact you don't have all 5 of them. I said it on another post, it's curious we haven't heard anything about ex-US dates yet. Promoters must be watching this closely. Also--and I may be wrong here--does Stevie have solo obligations towards the latter part of 2019? That will severely hamstring anything outside the US (although--maybe that's their out clause should "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" be an epic failure in the states) "We will resume the rest of this tour once Stevie finishes her solo obligations"...and in italics "And we crawl over hot flaming sharp coals to Lindsey Buckingham's house and beg him to save our a$$e$ once again"

In which case I hope he says:"Sorry (not sorry) but no. I'm busy. Bye now".

[dreamsunwind]

I don't know if it will flop, but I don't see it being nearly as successful as OWTS--for the mere fact you don't have all 5 of them. I said it on another post, it's curious we haven't heard anything about ex-US dates yet. Promoters must be watching this closely. Also--and I may be wrong here--does Stevie have solo obligations towards the latter part of 2019? That will severely hamstring anything outside the US (although--maybe that's their out clause should "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" be an epic failure in the states) "We will resume the rest of this tour once Stevie finishes her solo obligations"...and in italics "And we crawl over hot flaming sharp coals to Lindsey Buckingham's house and beg him to save our a$$e$ once again"

I agree. I'm sure that by the time the shows roll around they'll have sold enough tickets (probably aided by further lowering those ridiculous prices) but I don't think it'll have the same success as OWTS or even the recent tours prior to that. They really have gotten a LOT of backlash over what's happened. Random celebrities have spoken out about it. That, combined with ridiculously priced seats, is definitely going to impact the progress of sales.

[Storms123]

He'd be a fool to say yes. LET IT BURN!

LET IT BURN is right!!!

[Storms123]

I agree. I'm sure that by the time the shows roll around they'll have sold enough tickets (probably aided by further lowering those ridiculous prices) but I don't think it'll have the same success as OWTS or even the recent tours prior to that. They really have gotten a LOT of backlash over what's happened. Random celebrities have spoken out about it. That, combined with ridiculously priced seats, is definitely going to impact the progress of sales.

This little Stunt has proven just how far removed this lot is from their fan base. Yes--there will be people there who want to hear Dreams, Gypsy, and Landslide....and they will get that, and these are the same people that are going to hear "Don't Dream It's Over", "Hypnotized", "Oh Well"..... and the same bunch will be running for beers and the bathroom. #whatcoloristheskyinyourworldMickandStevie"

[jwd]

This little Stunt has proven just how far removed this lot is from their fan base. Yes--there will be people there who want to hear Dreams, Gypsy, and Landslide....and they will get that, and these are the same people that are going to hear "Don't Dream It's Over", "Hypnotized", "Oh Well"..... and the same bunch will be running for beers and the bathroom. #whatcoloristheskyinyourworldMickandStevie"

CLASSIC! :xoxo:

[Storms123]

CLASSIC! :xoxo:

Thanks! LOL

[jmn3]

This little Stunt has proven just how far removed this lot is from their fan base. Yes--there will be people there who want to hear Dreams, Gypsy, and Landslide....and they will get that, and these are the same people that are going to hear "Don't Dream It's Over", "Hypnotized", "Oh Well"..... and the same bunch will be running for beers and the bathroom. #whatcoloristheskyinyourworldMickandStevie"

I cracked up when Stevie mentioned “a raucous Rattlesnake Shake.” Does she really think that in 2018 at a Fleetwood Mac arena show that’s going to be nothing but a bathroom/beer break for 75% of the audience who like you said, are expecting the S/C/L “Rumours era” greatest hits set? By all means, do a 7-8 minute version of RS, Hypnotized, or some other chestnut from the archives and see what happens. Sad but true, there are reasons for the stale setlists by oldies groups. And please dear God, nobody mention Springsteen. Different audience with far different expectations by a fan base who have been treated to 3-4 hour mixed up set lists for over 40 years.

IMO only Oh Well ends up really being doable long term.

[Feather Blade]

I don't have my tickets yet. The shows in my area won't be until Feb or March I think, and I don't want to tie up the money so far in advance. I'll wait until closer to the shows. Also, by then perhaps they will announce a second leg with a tour stop closer to me that won't involve travel/hotel etc. We'll see...

[Storms123]

I am bumping this one up because I really don't know where to put it. In other threads, the "success" of the ticket sales has been discussed regarding some of the larger cities like LA and NY. With some of these shows not happening until 2019, it's understandable why they may not be doing as well as you would think. The one venue I've been curious about is San Jose---where it all started for S&L, and where Lindsey has been known to get very emotional. There's a beautiful clip on Youtube of Stevie comforting him (similar to what he has done for her in Phoenix) Well--I took gander an San Jose--which is in November this year...there are thousands of tix still available and they don't look resale to me. That's an interesting marker for me

[Neal]

I am bumping this one up because I really don't know where to put it. In other threads, the "success" of the ticket sales has been discussed regarding some of the larger cities like LA and NY. With some of these shows not happening until 2019, it's understandable why they may not be doing as well as you would think. The one venue I've been curious about is San Jose---where it all started for S&L, and where Lindsey has been known to get very emotional. There's a beautiful clip on Youtube of Stevie comforting him (similar to what he has done for her in Phoenix) Well--I took gander an San Jose--which is in November this year...there are thousands of tix still available and they don't look resale to me. That's an interesting marker for me

Standard prices dropped about $60 between presale and general sale, so I snagged San Jose tix during the first week.

I haven't been checking back though, because I don't wanna be pissed off if I see that they dropped again! :cool:

[SteveMacD]

Didn’t they have to drop prices for MusiCares?

[jeets2000]

Didn’t they have to drop prices for MusiCares?

If they did, I never saw it. I considered going and was watching tickets like a hawk the up until about noon the day of (the absolute latest I could have caught a train to New York), and I never saw prices drop. If memory serves, there were some in the $350 range the day before. Those all disappeared the day of the show, and only the $500-ish range tickets would show up. I called the venue to ask what gives, and they claimed the only tickets they could sell me were the $500ish ones. So, something happened with those seats, but it wasn't a price drop that I saw.

I of course regret not going now that I know that was likely the last show for the only version of the band I would bother paying to see at this point. I justified not going because it was predominantly going to be other acts performing their songs, but hindsight being 20/20, I should have just gone for it.

[FM77]

For that kind of money you would have been better off going to the Classic East last summer at Citi Field. At any rate, I don't think they will ever assemble again as the Rumours line-up. :(

[UnwindedDreams]

If they did, I never saw it. I considered going and was watching tickets like a hawk the up until about noon the day of (the absolute latest I could have caught a train to New York), and I never saw prices drop. If memory serves, there were some in the $350 range the day before. Those all disappeared the day of the show, and only the $500-ish range tickets would show up. I called the venue to ask what gives, and they claimed the only tickets they could sell me were the $500ish ones. So, something happened with those seats, but it wasn't a price drop that I saw.

I of course regret not going now that I know that was likely the last show for the only version of the band I would bother paying to see at this point. I justified not going because it was predominantly going to be other acts performing their songs, but hindsight being 20/20, I should have just gone for it. I was at MusiCares in the upper level. It was"t a must-see concert. Tusk by FM was really good. GYOW was not the best I've seen or heard it. The only tribute songs that were memorable for me were Big Love.
I was not thrilled by Jares Leto's NGBA. When John Legend was announced as a performer for the event, I thought he would perfect NGBA through piano. I think his voice is angelic. He cancelled his appearance. He did do a great job at Elton's tributea few nights later.