View Full Version : this is why "Fakewood" tour will sell
because general public is clueless. because they think - oh look another legendary band is reuniting, but one member already left, luckily MC is replacing him, quick lets go see them before somebody else leaves:
@leahsolmaz
Bit gutted that Lindsey Buckingham has left but still eagerly awaiting the reunion tour dates. Defo on the bucket-list to see them live so here's my meh cover as tribute "Landslide" & "Dreams" - Stevie Nicks/Fleetwood Mac (Leah Solmaz Cover) https://youtu.be/-HlVajdZ898 via @YouTube
@ellellew
they'll reunite with Lindsey Buckingham??
@leahsolmaz
I doubt it but they've got Mike Campbell to take his place for the reunion tour so fingers crossed they go ahead with it still
and because every 5th tweet on my TL is stupid Live Nation promoted tweet advertising this abomination of a tour, even though i unfollowed both fleetwood mac and love nation. they are dumping money in advertising like crazy.
because general public is clueless. because they think - oh look another legendary band is reuniting, but one member already left, luckily MC is replacing him, quick lets go see them before somebody else leaves:
@leahsolmaz
Bit gutted that Lindsey Buckingham has left but still eagerly awaiting the reunion tour dates. Defo on the bucket-list to see them live so here's my meh cover as tribute "Landslide" & "Dreams" - Stevie Nicks/Fleetwood Mac (Leah Solmaz Cover) https://youtu.be/-HlVajdZ898 via @YouTube
@ellellew
they'll reunite with Lindsey Buckingham??
@leahsolmaz
I doubt it but they've got Mike Campbell to take his place for the reunion tour so fingers crossed they go ahead with it still
and because every 5th tweet on my TL is stupid Live Nation promoted tweet advertising this abomination of a tour, even though i unfollowed both fleetwood mac and love nation. they are dumping money in advertising like crazy.
You're not going?!
You're not going?!
where? :eek:
where? :eek:
Save your money for the Lindsey solo tour!
David
04-29-2018, 09:54 PM
Will the money guys (promoters?) give Fleetwood Mac seven figures for each concert this time out? Will the breakup of the classic 5 lineup lower the pay? Will the band play fewer or smaller arenas? It's scheduled to play L.A. Forum for two nights, which is something the classic 5 would have done, too.
Say, what about an opening act? Maybe a bigger name than normal for an opening act? Like a Stevie Nicks + Pretenders bill, what about a Fleetwood Mac + Rufus Wainwright bill? A Fleetwood Mac + Axwell Ingrosso bill? A double bill gives us a little extra for the money. Who'd make a good bill with the Fleetwood Macheads?
Cheat Codes
Matt Terry
Dua Lipa
Phases
DNCE
Rudimental
Flo Rida
Charlie Puth
Lauv
Michael Zager Band
Justin Bieber!
Calvin Harris
John Splithoff
Any of these guys would make great double bills, don't you think?
Will the money guys (promoters?) give Fleetwood Mac seven figures for each concert this time out? Will the breakup of the classic 5 lineup lower the pay? Will the band play fewer or smaller arenas? It's scheduled to play L.A. Forum for two nights, which is something the classic 5 would have done, too.
Say, what about an opening act? Maybe a bigger name than normal for an opening act? Like a Stevie Nicks + Pretenders bill, what about a Fleetwood Mac + Rufus Wainwright bill? A Fleetwood Mac + Axwell Ingrosso bill? A double bill gives us a little extra for the money. Who'd make a good bill with the Fleetwood Macheads?
Cheat Codes
Matt Terry
Dua Lipa
Phases
DNCE
Rudimental
Flo Rida
Charlie Puth
Lauv
Michael Zager Band
Justin Bieber!
Calvin Harris
John Splithoff
Any of these guys would make great double bills, don't you think?
My money is on Justin Bieber, but he' d probably headline.........
singertobe
04-30-2018, 10:55 AM
I gave in. Found out there was a Mick Fleetwood meet and greet. That combined with the fact I've never seen Christine live won over my feelings about them firing Lindsey. I'm still mad he won't be there but I've already seen him twice.
I gave in. Found out there was a Mick Fleetwood meet and greet. That combined with the fact I've never seen Christine live won over my feelings about them firing Lindsey. I'm still mad he won't be there but I've already seen him twice.
You doubted there will be mick m&g?
I guess you have extra 1.5 k to spend.
I’ve done micks m&g bunch of times, when it actually came with good seats. Not worth it. Eventually I just skipped micks m&gs and picked up my tix. Now to spend $650 or whatever he’s charging when it doesn’t come with seats? No way.
singertobe
04-30-2018, 11:49 AM
You doubted there will be mick m&g?
I guess you have extra 1.5 k to spend.
I’ve done micks m&g bunch of times, when it actually came with good seats. Not worth it. Eventually I just skipped micks m&gs and picked up my tix. Now to spend $650 or whatever he’s charging when it doesn’t come with seats? No way.
So you don't actually get to meet him? Darnit I knew I should've said no! I was literally given a minute to decide. If I had more time I would've come on here and asked everyone's opinions
So you don't actually get to meet him? Darnit I knew I should've said no! I was literally given a minute to decide. If I had more time I would've come on here and asked everyone's opinions
No you meet him. It’s like a cattle call - you get a pic with him in front of his drum kit. Then everyone is sat in the audience and there’s a Q&a. You probably won’t be able to get your question in because Mick seems to be half deaf and also he takes one question and rambles for about 10 minutes so all the q&a time is wasted like that. I suspect any questions about lB will be off limits.
But this is how it was back in 2013-2015. There was no off limit questions but it was hard to get your questions answered too.
WatchChain
04-30-2018, 08:00 PM
Trust me, before the decision was made to fire Buckingham, Mick had done his research. Concert promotors know EXACTLY how many tickets that ANY lineup of a particular band will sell WAY BEFORE a tour is even announced. Through data analysis, promoters can predict almost exactly how many tickets the tour will sell.
As angry and outraged as I am that these people have stabbed Lindsey in the back by firing him, the TRUTH is that it WILL NOT HURT ticket sales one bit. This tour will absolutely do the SAME numbers as the last tour with the Rumours lineup. Much in the same way that the 2013 tour WITHOUT Christine McVie was selling out arenas. Mick Fleetwood and the concert promoters know this. Fleetwood Mac can tour WITHOUT either Lindsey Buckingham OR Christine McVie and ticket sales will remain the same. Mick knows this. MOREOVER, Mick now stands to make more money for himself because he will pay Campbell and Finn a smaller salary--not the larger percentage that Buckingham was earning.
The fatal mistake that Mick made was wiping his hands of Lindsey Buckingham. Let's just say, for example, that Christine decides she doesn't want to tour anymore, or falls into ill health. Mick may not be able to get Lindsey back. Fleetwood Mac on tour with only Stevie and Mike Campbell would be bland as hell!
Lastly, Mick steering clear of using the word "fired" is ridiculous. "Firing" is exactly what happened.
Angel75
04-30-2018, 08:23 PM
Lastly, Mick steering clear of using the word "fired" is ridiculous. "Firing" is exactly what happened.
Absolutely it was firing, there is no other word that can describe it.
LB surely has been wronged one too many times now by Mick to ever bother giving him the time of day again
ryan4136
04-30-2018, 08:26 PM
Mick may be avoiding the term “firing” for legal reasons/liability.
I’ve done micks m&g bunch of times, when it actually came with good seats. Not worth it. Eventually I just skipped micks m&gs and picked up my tix. Now to spend $650 or whatever he’s charging when it doesn’t come with seats? No way.[/QUOTE]
Ha, ha, ha I've done the same thing! I hope and pray he's bombarded with Lindsey questions. Make him squirm for that meet and greet money. Someone should hold up one of those LA signs and ask if he's seen them.
Storms123
04-30-2018, 08:36 PM
Trust me, before the decision was made to fire Buckingham, Mick had done his research. Concert promotors know EXACTLY how many tickets that ANY lineup of a particular band will sell WAY BEFORE a tour is even announced. Through data analysis, promoters can predict almost exactly how many tickets the tour will sell.
As angry and outraged as I am that these people have stabbed Lindsey in the back by firing him, the TRUTH is that it WILL NOT HURT ticket sales one bit. This tour will absolutely do the SAME numbers as the last tour with the Rumours lineup. Much in the same way that the 2013 tour WITHOUT Christine McVie was selling out arenas. Mick Fleetwood and the concert promoters know this. Fleetwood Mac can tour WITHOUT either Lindsey Buckingham OR Christine McVie and ticket sales will remain the same. Mick knows this. MOREOVER, Mick now stands to make more money for himself because he will pay Campbell and Finn a smaller salary--not the larger percentage that Buckingham was earning.
The fatal mistake that Mick made was wiping his hands of Lindsey Buckingham. Let's just say, for example, that Christine decides she doesn't want to tour anymore, or falls into ill health. Mick may not be able to get Lindsey back. Fleetwood Mac on tour with only Stevie and Mike Campbell would be bland as hell!
Lastly, Mick steering clear of using the word "fired" is ridiculous. "Firing" is exactly what happened.
He doesn't want to use the word firing because it's "ugly", when in reality, it makes them look bad!
I agree with you on the "fatal mistake". I don't know much about the research that goes into what the tour promoters do to come up with their fact and figures. And this lineup will do well--however, clamoring for the "farewell" tour.... this isn't it. And Mick knows that--and he wants that proper farewell tour. And Mick knows for however much money he will get from this tour--the multiples of that for a proper farewell tour with the Rumours 5 would make his eyes truly pop out of his head.
At some point, when he wants to/needs to make amends with Lindsey--I truly hope Lindsey tells him to stick a drumstick up his a$$. However, I do think, as long as all 5 of them are on the right side of the dirt--the notion of a farewell tour with the Rumours 5 will not wander far from Mick's mind. The question remains--who of the 4 Judas' can REMOTELY broach that with Lindsey?
bombaysaffires
04-30-2018, 09:19 PM
Are they really asking $1600 for front row seats?? :eek:
Wow. Even though I could swing it, there's no way in hell I'd pay that for a concert. N.F.W. Especially having seen them all live in all their permutations (band and solo). There's nothing new they can offer me for that price. No wonder Mick and Stevie sell their souls to tour. At that rate they'll be wheeling them out and propping them up after they're gone....oh wait, they are already doing that with holograms now. :eek:
Stevie is no longer an artist; she's just a business woman and that's it. Same with Mick.
BombaySapphire3
04-30-2018, 09:38 PM
Are they really asking $1600 for front row seats?? :eek:
Wow. Even though I could swing it, there's no way in hell I'd pay that for a concert. N.F.W. Especially having seen them all live in all their permutations (band and solo). There's nothing new they can offer me for that price. No wonder Mick and Stevie sell their souls to tour. At that rate they'll be wheeling them out and propping them up after they're gone....oh wait, they are already doing that with holograms now. :eek:
Stevie is no longer an artist; she's just a business woman and that's it. Same with Mick.
That is a preposterous price.I think that they would have to pay me the $1.600 to look at these geezers close up. I saw this band for the first time in December of 1979 for less than 15 bucks .Luckily I was only a mildly stoned high school kid so I can remember it well and a fantastic show it was.I had no idea then nor would I have even guessed that they would come to this.
WatchChain
04-30-2018, 09:48 PM
Are they really asking $1600 for front row seats?? :eek:
Wow. Even though I could swing it, there's no way in hell I'd pay that for a concert. N.F.W. Especially having seen them all live in all their permutations (band and solo). There's nothing new they can offer me for that price. No wonder Mick and Stevie sell their souls to tour. At that rate they'll be wheeling them out and propping them up after they're gone....oh wait, they are already doing that with holograms now. :eek:
Stevie is no longer an artist; she's just a business woman and that's it. Same with Mick.
Highway robbery! $1600 for front row, seriously? $3200 for two seats and that's not even counting the convenience fee. I could fly across the Atlantic Ocean on a European vacation for that price They've lost their minds.
Out of curiosity, I just pulled out my American Express card and went to the PRE-SALE. I was offered two seats in the 16th row for $249 each with a $50 convenience fee per ticket----a grand total of $600 for two seats.
Since the system did not let me choose my seats from a map (like I have done with Ticketmaster for Stevie's solo shows), I opted out. I'm not paying $600 to be stuck on the floor in the middle of a jam packed 16th row trying to see over people's heads. I prefer to sit at the bottom of the first level on the side of the stage, it's a much better/closer view for a fraction of the price. I can actually see better and closer over there.
Can you believe I'm actually considering showing my face at this farce? I have no shame! LOL:laugh:
mylittledemon
04-30-2018, 10:57 PM
Are they really asking $1600 for front row seats?? :eek:
That's called daylight robbery. :lol:
The Catdancer
05-01-2018, 01:14 AM
I gave in. Found out there was a Mick Fleetwood meet and greet. That combined with the fact I've never seen Christine live won over my feelings about them firing Lindsey. I'm still mad he won't be there but I've already seen him twice.
How much is Fleetwood asking for a meet & greet?
dreamsunwind
05-01-2018, 01:19 AM
How much is Fleetwood asking for a meet & greet?
600-700. And that's separate from the ticket :')
The Catdancer
05-01-2018, 01:24 AM
600-700. And that's separate from the ticket :')
:eek: That is unbelievable. If you get to meet everyone in the band, than maybe it's worth it. But just Fleetwood... no thanks.
dreamsunwind
05-01-2018, 01:28 AM
:eek: That is unbelievable. If you get to meet everyone in the band, than maybe it's worth it. But just Fleetwood... no thanks.
And to think it doesn't even come with the actual ticket. His M&G used to include the seats themselves but I guess those failed businesses have racked up extra debts in recent years!
Lindsey used to use Stevie's speeches as a chance to plop down on his speaker and chat with the fans for free lol. They took pictures with him, asked him questions, held his hand, he signed things etc.
The Catdancer
05-01-2018, 01:35 AM
And to think it doesn't even come with the actual ticket. His M&G used to include the seats themselves but I guess those failed businesses have racked up extra debts in recent years!
Lindsey used to use Stevie's speeches as a chance to plop down on his speaker and chat with the fans for free lol. They took pictures with him, asked him questions, held his hand, he signed things etc.
It's ridiculous that the meet & greet doesn't come with front row seating for that price.
I saw Lindsey doing that with the fans. And Stevie goes on forever so everyone has a chance to say something to him. I love him for doing that. He seems to be the only one who really appreciates the fans.
DownOnRodeo
05-01-2018, 01:59 AM
You probably won’t be able to get your question in because Mick seems to be half deaf
And lo, a new theory emerges:
Lindsey was fired due to a series of age-related miscommunications!
LB: Dammit Mick, I want to perform new material.
MF: (straining to hear) You want to prolong the inevitable? You mean, delay the tour?
LB: No! I'm saying it's all about new songs!
MF: (vacant expression; turns to John) What did he say?
JM: (shrugs forlornly) I haven't heard anything below 98 dB since Kiln House. (mutters to self) It's how I've put up with this nightmare for the past 48 years!
LB: Well, at least let me do some solo gigs--just small venues in between the arena shows.
MF: (cups hand to ear) Let you do Scottish jigs?! That's it, I've heard just about enough of your outrageous demands! You want more revenues for your leaner nose?! Right, that does it--Lindsey, you're fired!
HomerMcvie
05-01-2018, 01:59 AM
And to think it doesn't even come with the actual ticket. His M&G used to include the seats themselves but I guess those failed businesses have racked up extra debts in recent years!
Lindsey used to use Stevie's speeches as a chance to plop down on his speaker and chat with the fans for free lol. They took pictures with him, asked him questions, held his hand, he signed things etc.
I can see the old goat having a MAJOR problem with him talking to someone during her bloated sermons.
iamnotafraid
05-01-2018, 02:12 AM
I can see the old goat having a MAJOR problem with him talking to someone during her bloated sermons.
Those talks are embarrassing and long.
And that's just to the concert-goers. I
can only imagine how old her stories get
when touring with her.
dreamsunwind
05-01-2018, 02:21 AM
It's ridiculous that the meet & greet doesn't come with front row seating for that price.
I saw Lindsey doing that with the fans. And Stevie goes on forever so everyone has a chance to say something to him. I love him for doing that. He seems to be the only one who really appreciates the fans.
Totally agree. There are some videos on YouTube where you can see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK8LI8fApn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ScGGrXSuE
I saw the people who would talk about it online, it was all just really nice things. There was a girl who had lots of tattoos related to her favorite musicians and she showed him one that she has of his initials, a couple who said they were celebrating their anniversary or something like that and he was congratulating them, asked how many years etc.
I just think it's great seeing someone in that position being approachable and open like that.
dreamsunwind
05-01-2018, 02:22 AM
I can see the old goat having a MAJOR problem with him talking to someone during her bloated sermons.
I never thought about it like that since it was so nice for the fans and they all loved it so much but you might be onto something. I can imagine her being picky about that.
dreamsunwind
05-01-2018, 02:24 AM
Those talks are embarrassing and long.
And that's just to the concert-goers. I
can only imagine how old her stories get
when touring with her.
I think she has good intentions with the stories, and they weren't always so long, but I think she got a bit carried away with them, especially on her more recent tours.
I saw a feedback from more than one person who went to her most recent solo tour and emphasized how much she talked. One person even said she talked more than she sang (although that was probably an exaggeration). But there are also lots of fans who love it.
LesPaulPlayer91
05-01-2018, 05:48 AM
I'm sure the tour will sell so that people can say they've seen "Fleetwood Mac", there's a lot in a name and people want to hear the hits. Considering people are going to see a Roy Orbison hologram on tour I doubt most people will be bothered they're not getting the authentic Rumours Five experience! (I'm surprised Mick didn't think of that - Fleetwood Mac - featuring the magical Lindsey Buckingham hologram :lol: )
That being said the prices they are charging are crazy! Looked over at Ticketmaster and the prices are double (taking into account the exchange rate) what I paid when I saw them in London in 2015. I wouldn't pay that to see the full band, let alone this new lineup!
Re Stevie's stories, I like it when artists talk to the audience during shows, it creates a connection with the audience.
AncientQueen
05-01-2018, 06:31 AM
I still think this is selling kinda due to false advertising, the penguin with the bandnames in small print around it, well, the target group would need to search for their glasses to see that... The average fan and especially the people who buy tickets as gifts do not know about the new line up by now, some will realize that there are two new people during the concert. And well - they will probably not care THAT much, as long as the hits are going to get played and the beer is cold.
The people who cough up 500 to 1000 bucks (haha) are fans, they know what they are doing.
Buster
05-02-2018, 10:34 AM
Stevie’s stories on 24 Karat tour were great, a treat for her fans and matched the theme and spirit of the tour which was bringing songs out of the vault. The stories not only provided interesting background but gave context to why they were included in the set list. That tour was pure magic.
Her Gypsy story was perhaps too long but I enjoyed it as well. It wasn’t that much longer than Lindsey’s “I needed to get away” tale from the Dance show that always gave me a nice pee break. And it certainly wasn’t longer than insufferable Not That Funny drum solo.
I'm sure the tour will sell so that people can say they've seen "Fleetwood Mac", there's a lot in a name and people want to hear the hits. Considering people are going to see a Roy Orbison hologram on tour I doubt most people will be bothered they're not getting the authentic Rumours Five experience! (I'm surprised Mick didn't think of that - Fleetwood Mac - featuring the magical Lindsey Buckingham hologram :lol: )
That being said the prices they are charging are crazy! Looked over at Ticketmaster and the prices are double (taking into account the exchange rate) what I paid when I saw them in London in 2015. I wouldn't pay that to see the full band, let alone this new lineup!
exactly, yes to all of this!
I still think this is selling kinda due to false advertising, the penguin with the bandnames in small print around it, well, the target group would need to search for their glasses to see that...
:laugh::laugh: right?
bombaysaffires
05-02-2018, 08:40 PM
Mick says on TMZ that they might even be doing Heartbreakers songs.
So.... that's Neil Finn songs, (Stevie was adamant about doing Don't Dream It's Over), Peter Green songs, Stevie solo material (Stop Draggin' per Mike and Stevie) and now other Tom Petty songs.
$1300 for karaoke night? Really?
HomerMcvie
05-02-2018, 08:50 PM
Mick says on TMZ that they might even be doing Heartbreakers songs.
So.... that's Neil Finn songs, (Stevie was adamant about doing Don't Dream It's Over), Peter Green songs, Stevie solo material (Stop Draggin' per Mike and Stevie) and now other Tom Petty songs.
$1300 for karaoke night? Really?
My god, do they not see how they're ruining the legacy? STUPID, STUPID, money grubbing whores.
Storms123
05-02-2018, 08:55 PM
My god, do they not see how they're ruining the legacy? STUPID, STUPID, money grubbing whores.
Lindsey can sit back and laugh and watch this thing implode. Ticket sales are one thing, a crappy review in rolling stone is another.
HomerMcvie
05-02-2018, 09:03 PM
Lindsey can sit back and laugh and watch this thing implode. Ticket sales are one thing, a crappy review in rolling stone is another.
And I pray for a horrible review from them.
Mick has done a million stupid things in his life, but this one really screwed the pooch!
iamnotafraid
05-02-2018, 09:13 PM
$1300 for karaoke night? Really?
Only if Jimmy Page is with them.
He could have took them straight
back to the Green years.
singertobe
05-02-2018, 09:19 PM
They probably charge more for tickets because there's more people that have to get paid.
BombaySapphire3
05-02-2018, 09:20 PM
Only if Jimmy Page is with them.
He could have took them straight
back to the Green years.
Why not get just Green himself :shrug:Anyway it seems that if they were deliberately setting out to tarnish and belittle their legacy they would be hard pressed to do a better job than this .It has to be a lethal combination of greed and dementia fueling this.
singertobe
05-02-2018, 09:25 PM
That is a preposterous price.I think that they would have to pay me the $1.600 to look at these geezers close up. I saw this band for the first time in December of 1979 for less than 15 bucks .Luckily I was only a mildly stoned high school kid so I can remember it well and a fantastic show it was.I had no idea then nor would I have even guessed that they would come to this.
How much would that be today? Taking inflation into account
BombaySapphire3
05-02-2018, 09:40 PM
How much would that be today? Taking inflation into account
Still just a small fraction of the $1.600 and that was for the privilege of seeing 30 year olds in their touring prime as opposed to having to stare at close range at bunch of people mostly their seventies croak out a karaoke act.
bombaysaffires
05-02-2018, 10:58 PM
How much would that be today? Taking inflation into account
About US$60.00
AncientQueen
05-03-2018, 01:56 AM
They have 5 months now to form this mess into a functioning line up. They must work really hard to integrate songs from Peter Green, The Heartbreakers, Crownded House, Stevie Nicks, Stevie Nicks with FM, Christine McVie and make it sound wholesome and different. They also have to come up with new arrangements and they lose alot of the more significant songs from Lindsey - or they make themselves sound exactly like the cover band they claim not to be (I think that playing Tusk and Go Your Own Way will be pretty awkward). I look forward to the first reviews, since Lindsey was the one injecting much needed energy into that line up.
And all those changes with a new guitar player, a new singer AND everyone wrestling the ego of Miss Nicks. I soooo hope that right now they are struggling hard with realizing the full consequences of their actions. Because they deserve that.
iamnotafraid
05-03-2018, 02:06 AM
Why not get just Green himself :shrug:Anyway it seems that if they were deliberately setting out to tarnish and belittle their legacy they would be hard pressed to do a better job than this .It has to be a lethal combination of greed and dementia fueling this.
I could be wrong, but I thought Peter wasn't up
to something like that. To put it nicely.
I agree with you that they're doing a great job
at tarnishing their legacy.
button-lip
05-03-2018, 06:20 AM
They have 5 months now to form this mess into a functioning line up. They must work really hard to integrate songs from Peter Green, The Heartbreakers, Crownded House, Stevie Nicks, Stevie Nicks with FM, Christine McVie and make it sound wholesome and different. They also have to come up with new arrangements and they lose alot of the more significant songs from Lindsey - or they make themselves sound exactly like the cover band they claim not to be (I think that playing Tusk and Go Your Own Way will be pretty awkward). I look forward to the first reviews, since Lindsey was the one injecting much needed energy into that line up.
And all those changes with a new guitar player, a new singer AND everyone wrestling the ego of Miss Nicks. I soooo hope that right now they are struggling hard with realizing the full consequences of their actions. Because they deserve that.
But they won’t admit. Same with OGB’s only fans. :nod:
TrueFaith77
05-03-2018, 07:19 AM
Lindsey can sit back and laugh and watch this thing implode. Ticket sales are one thing, a crappy review in rolling stone is another.
I doubt it. I think Neil Finn:mad: is more loved by rock critics than Lindsey Buckingham.
Why not get just Green himself :shrug:Anyway it seems that if they were deliberately setting out to tarnish and belittle their legacy they would be hard pressed to do a better job than this .It has to be a lethal combination of greed and dementia fueling this.
Thank you! Who would argue against Green and Spencer returning? Yours is the question I would ask at the m&g!
StevieandChris
05-03-2018, 09:50 AM
But they won’t admit. Same with OGB’s only fans. :nod:
Nope. It is on them to put on a good show, so if it does suck they have to deal with bad reviews and attendees have to deal with disappointment. Same as any concert.
Feather Blade
05-03-2018, 10:56 AM
I doubt it. I think Neil Finn:mad: is more loved by rock critics than Lindsey Buckingham.
Thank you! Who would argue against Green and Spencer returning? Yours is the question I would ask at the m&g!
As Iamnotafraid said above, aren't there issues with Peter's mental/physical health these days that would preclude him being able to perform?
SisterNightroad
05-03-2018, 11:06 AM
As Iamnotafraid said above, aren't there issues with Peter's mental/physical health these days that would preclude him being able to perform?
I don't know, the last time he toured was in 2010.
bombaysaffires
05-03-2018, 11:11 AM
They have 5 months now to form this mess into a functioning line up. They must work really hard to integrate songs from Peter Green, The Heartbreakers, Crownded House, Stevie Nicks, Stevie Nicks with FM, Christine McVie and make it sound wholesome and different. They also have to come up with new arrangements and they lose alot of the more significant songs from Lindsey - or they make themselves sound exactly like the cover band they claim not to be (I think that playing Tusk and Go Your Own Way will be pretty awkward). I look forward to the first reviews, since Lindsey was the one injecting much needed energy into that line up.
And all those changes with a new guitar player, a new singer AND everyone wrestling the ego of Miss Nicks. I soooo hope that right now they are struggling hard with realizing the full consequences of their actions. Because they deserve that.
Yep, huge changes. One thing to bring in new players to play your usual stuff. Quite another to completely rework your set-- Stevie was talking the 10 "must play hits" and that leaves room for "13 more" songs. Thirteen new songs!! With players who haven't been with each other so long they can predict each other's next move :shocked:
No wonder they are starting in Oklahoma.
Kubrick2788
05-03-2018, 02:34 PM
Bought tickets this morning for Pittsburgh. I'll be curious to see what they have to offer. The more I think about all of what's gone on, the more interested I get. This will be the first tour since Say You Will that I can't tell you what the setlist is months out. And I like that. I don't like the idea of throwing in TP and CH songs...this is still a Mac show after all...but I guess I could handle one of each. Here's hoping it's a fun one.
singertobe
05-03-2018, 03:01 PM
I soooo hope that right now they are struggling hard with realizing the full consequences of their actions. Because they deserve that.
Maybe if we're luck they'll beg Lindsey's forgiveness and let him back in the band
bombaysaffires
05-03-2018, 03:21 PM
Maybe if we're luck they'll beg Lindsey's forgiveness and let him back in the band
Not. Gonna. Happen. :laugh:
bwboy
05-03-2018, 03:24 PM
No wonder they are starting in Oklahoma.
Apologies to the fine citizens of Oklahoma, who appear to be the unintended targets of anger :shrug:
secret love
05-03-2018, 03:25 PM
because general public is clueless. because they think - oh look another legendary band is reuniting, but one member already left, luckily MC is replacing him, quick lets go see them before somebody else leaves:
@leahsolmaz
Bit gutted that Lindsey Buckingham has left but still eagerly awaiting the reunion tour dates. Defo on the bucket-list to see them live so here's my meh cover as tribute "Landslide" & "Dreams" - Stevie Nicks/Fleetwood Mac (Leah Solmaz Cover) https://youtu.be/-HlVajdZ898 via @YouTube
@ellellew
they'll reunite with Lindsey Buckingham??
@leahsolmaz
I doubt it but they've got Mike Campbell to take his place for the reunion tour so fingers crossed they go ahead with it still
and because every 5th tweet on my TL is stupid Live Nation promoted tweet advertising this abomination of a tour, even though i unfollowed both fleetwood mac and love nation. they are dumping money in advertising like crazy.
I love Lindsey, Elle, probably not as much as you but I still love him. That said, this band is still Fleetwood Mac without him and you can bet whatever it was, they had a darn good reason to let him go. It is a not a decision they would have made lightly as they know their fan base really respects and admires Lindsey.
It is Fleetwood Mac. Not Fleetwood Buck. So long as Mick and John are involved it will always be Fleetwood Mac. It was Fleetwood Mac on The Tango in the Night Tour. It was Fleetwood Mac when they made Behind the Mask. Even the Time line up was still Fleetwood Mac...because they had Mick and John.
Living in Australia means I need to spend about $3000 to see them factoring in flights and a few nights accommodation. But I am seriously considering it.
button-lip
05-03-2018, 03:37 PM
Not. Gonna. Happen. :laugh:
Exactly. And honestly at this point I don't know if I want it to happen. Their total disrespect towards Lindsey and his past work with the band make it very difficult for me to support a future reunion.
Besides, Mick made it very clear they're a new band when asked it there was a chance of a reuion. It was interesting how he didn't answer: "he chose to leave". So at this point it's pretty clear he was fired. ;)
AncientQueen
05-03-2018, 05:04 PM
I don't know if this was discussed, but the tour was probably already booked when Lindsey was fired. No band can book that big venues on such a short order. Do you think that Lindsey is entitled to a share of the profit, because he was part of the band when the contracts were inked? I would think that that is why Mick won't say "fired" and Lindsey won't say anything right now.
Bought tickets this morning for Pittsburgh. I'll be curious to see what they have to offer. The more I think about all of what's gone on, the more interested I get. This will be the first tour since Say You Will that I can't tell you what the setlist is months out. And I like that. I don't like the idea of throwing in TP and CH songs...this is still a Mac show after all...but I guess I could handle one of each. Here's hoping it's a fun one.
you overpaid. prices are already dropping for most venues, according to reports.
I don't know if this was discussed, but the tour was probably already booked when Lindsey was fired. No band can book that big venues on such a short order. Do you think that Lindsey is entitled to a share of the profit, because he was part of the band when the contracts were inked? I would think that that is why Mick won't say "fired" and Lindsey won't say anything right now.
it was. that's what Chris indicated in RS / Sirius interview, too, before Mick talked over her. it was just supposed to start in August. it got pushed back once they ousted him, probably all the east coast big cities got moved all the way to the next year to see how it goes first.
they were planning to paint it as he left. they got screwed by the leaks of what really happened. and now they are getting all this backlash. but i'm sure it will blow over and tix prices will be lowered or grouponed or whatever and they'll make their millions in the end.
button-lip
05-03-2018, 06:19 PM
it was. that's what Chris indicated in RS / Sirius interview, too, before Mick talked over her. it was just supposed to start in August. it got pushed back once they ousted him, probably all the east coast big cities got moved all the way to the next year to see how it goes first.
they were planning to paint it as he left. they got screwed by the leaks of what really happened. and now they are getting all this backlash. but i'm sure it will blow over and tix prices will be lowered or grouponed or whatever and they'll make their millions in the end.
Yeah, but it will probably be less than what they estimated at the beginning of the tour.
Yeah, but it will probably be less than what they estimated at the beginning of the tour.
i REALLY hope so. they deserve it.
bombaysaffires
05-03-2018, 09:18 PM
Apologies to the fine citizens of Oklahoma, who appear to be the unintended targets of anger :shrug:
There was no insult to Oklahoma intended unless one is looking for one.
It's basic business-- concerts in Oklahoma or elsewhere outside of major entertainment hubs on the east or west coast aren't going to get covered by the national press. So if they suck, it won't likely get picked up as much. They know this and would have planned it that way. Many bands don't hit the major urban areas until they've been out for a while working out the kinks. :woohoo:
If you look for a bogeyman, you'll always find one.
dreamsunwind
05-03-2018, 09:37 PM
There was no insult to Oklahoma intended unless one is looking for one.
It's basic business-- concerts in Oklahoma or elsewhere outside of major entertainment hubs on the east or west coast aren't going to get covered by the national press. So if they suck, it won't likely get picked up as much. They know this and would have planned it that way. Many bands don't hit the major urban areas until they've been out for a while working out the kinks. :woohoo:
If you look for a bogeyman, you'll always find one.
The man who interviewed them on CBS told the two women who met him that same exact thing. He said that's exactly why they're starting the tour there, so that if it goes badly it won't be talked about.
The man who interviewed them on CBS told the two women who met him that same exact thing. He said that's exactly why they're starting the tour there, so that if it goes badly it won't be talked about.
But that's so stupid and an archaic mindset. It's 2018 not 1988. The first show could be played in Butte, Montana and the videos will be on youtube within hours of the ending. Not to mention it would probably be streamed live on FB or Twitter.
dreamsunwind
05-03-2018, 09:43 PM
But that's so stupid and an archaic mindset. It's 2018 not 1988. The first show could be played in Butte, Montana and the videos will be on youtube within hours of the ending. Not to mention it would probably be streamed live on FB or Twitter.
That's true, but I think in terms of reviews a location like that is their best bet.
But that's so stupid and an archaic mindset. It's 2018 not 1988. The first show could be played in Butte, Montana and the videos will be on youtube within hours of the ending. Not to mention it would probably be streamed live on FB or Twitter.
have you followed FM or BuckVie shows on social media? it depends on the place. NYC you will have tons of vids and reports. some places? maybe 2 tweets or IG posts, the most. even for FM.
that said, Stevie hardcores who are still with her will probably go to the first show and stream etc. just not as many peeps as if it were LA or NYC.
SteveMacD
05-03-2018, 09:55 PM
It’s a warmup gig. Just like Minneapolis in 2014. Chicago was initially going to be opening night of that tour. GbV did shows in Dallas and Austin as warmups to Matador At 21 in Vegas. It’s a fairly common practice for bands.
Kubrick2788
05-03-2018, 09:58 PM
you overpaid. prices are already dropping for most venues, according to reports.
I think I've overpaid every time I've seen them. I went low end for this. Nothing has made me think I need to go crazy this time around. Curious to see what they'll offer up, but I'll wait for the eventual re-re-reunion with Lindsey, John's hologram, and the lowest possible keys for every song :laugh:
bombaysaffires
05-03-2018, 11:49 PM
It’s a warmup gig. Just like Minneapolis in 2014. Chicago was initially going to be opening night of that tour. GbV did shows in Dallas and Austin as warmups to Matador At 21 in Vegas. It’s a fairly common practice for bands.
it's why plays and musicals and other theatrical productions also start elsewhere before going to NY. Boston is a very common opening city for a lot of shows; they work the kinks out before heading to a bigger market like NYC.
Nathan
05-07-2018, 09:44 PM
you overpaid. prices are already dropping for most venues, according to reports.
You don’t know what seats he got and whether those would have been available at the time of the price drop though... And the price drop might have saved him, what, $60? Who cares. He got the tickets and it’s something to look forward to.
Nathan
05-07-2018, 09:46 PM
But that's so stupid and an archaic mindset. It's 2018 not 1988. The first show could be played in Butte, Montana and the videos will be on youtube within hours of the ending. Not to mention it would probably be streamed live on FB or Twitter.
I think it is common practice to play the first show(s) in a smaller market.
Nathan
05-07-2018, 09:48 PM
I think I've overpaid every time I've seen them. I went low end for this. Nothing has made me think I need to go crazy this time around. Curious to see what they'll offer up, but I'll wait for the eventual re-re-reunion with Lindsey, John's hologram, and the lowest possible keys for every song :laugh:
I think it’s hard not to ‘over pay’ for this kind of act. All the big names are charging way too much money to see them live. It’s kind of ****ty. I’m no Kid Rock fan but I think he’s made some efforts to bring ticket prices down at his shows, which I find admirable.
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