Kristen Buckingham statement

[jeets2000]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiCogmMg0kU/

kbchrush I happened to see a tweet on Mick Fleetwood’s Twitter today that asked ...”what is the secret to Fleetwood Mac’s success?” This question struck a chord with me and compelled me to answer.
But because I am getting old I don’t know how to use Twitter, I’ll just post my thoughts here...maybe someone out there can put it up on Twitter for me lol. So....“what is the secret of FM success Mick?” My opinion/answer is. ..”The heady chemistry and artistry of these 5 members together - John, Christine, Mick, Stevie, and Lindsey. That iconic sound by those 5 coupled with romantic tension and the worlds love of drama made a undeniable cocktail. Each personality and their creativity defined the band and it’s success.” Therefore honors such as Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Grammys, MusiCares Person of the Year to name a few were earned by this group. It is beyond a shame what has come to pass over recent days. I have lots of thoughts, feelings and facts that I will spare you from at this point. It is my husbands place to speak in his own words when the time is right for him. All I can say is thank you to all the loyal fans that supported FM over the years and for recognizing how stars only align once in a blue moon...and they did for this band. @mickfleetwoodofficial @stevienicks #whoareyoupeople

[dreamsunwind]

Very nice statement. Shows you how she feels without being too revealing. Lindsey's family seems very loyal and loving.

Buuuuut I still really wish Lindsey would make a statement/call all of them out but I know it's probably never gonna happen.

[bombaysaffires]

Very nice statement. Shows you how she feels without being too revealing. Lindsey's family seems very loyal and loving.

Buuuuut I still really wish Lindsey would make a statement/call all of them out but I know it's probably never gonna happen.


I think it will, when he's ready to do it, which might also mean when the legal stuff is sorted, or maybe he'll do an album and let it do the talking...

I gotta wonder how his relationship with Neale and Brett is right now... they may have already signed contracts for the tour and it would cost them a lot of money to break them..... but, do they feel any torn loyalties? Does he feel upset about it? It mucks up any solo touring.. not that he couldn't get new people but they've been with him a long time now...:shrug:

[secondhandchain]

I checked out his daughters instagram to see if there was any info and decided to leave a message of support. I mentioned the video taken by a fan that proved LB was planning on touring. She asked me about it and it was posted and she was very thankful. BTW the Kristen #whoareyoupeople says it ALL.

[singertobe]

At Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks? I think we just found out whose responsible...

[dreamsunwind]

I think it will, when he's ready to do it, which might also mean when the legal stuff is sorted, or maybe he'll do an album and let it do the talking...

I gotta wonder how his relationship with Neale and Brett is right now... they may have already signed contracts for the tour and it would cost them a lot of money to break them..... but, do they feel any torn loyalties? Does he feel upset about it? It mucks up any solo touring.. not that he couldn't get new people but they've been with him a long time now...:shrug:

Neale and Brett were probably already signed off so they couldn't do much. They've been loyal to Lindsey individually as well as FM for years so I can't imagine they'd go against him.

[Neal]

I've been primarily angry and/or disappointed with this whole situation, but after reading this? I'm really, truly sad.

I can't help but think that when the dust settles and they're ready to give us a real farewell tour in 3-4 years, they won't all still be here. :distress:

[TrueFaith77]

I think it's time to form the Kristen Buckingham Appreciation Society.

Also, can the Ledge please have a forum devoted to KB?

:thumbsup:

[Storms123]

At Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks? I think we just found out whose responsible...

She’s amended it to include Christine and John now too

[missundercover]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiCogmMg0kU/

kbchrush ... how stars only align once in a blue moon...and they did for this band. ...

Perfectly put. WHY? :distress:

[FM77]

This should help dispel the notion that LB didn't want to tour, or wanted delay the tour or made ANY kind of ultimatums.

[jbrownsjr]

The truth always comes out. I could see the truth on $tevie's face. You better clutch someone's hand. Hang on to someone else while you lie.

[secondhandchain]

I am going to put the main blame on Stevie. She wanted to help out her friend Mike Campbell, and she didn't want to work with Lindsey anymore. The man who told FM he wouldn't join the band without Stevie. She sucks.

[jmn3]

This should help dispel the notion that LB didn't want to tour, or wanted delay the tour or made ANY kind of ultimatums.

Oh have no fear someone will be along shortly to post that his wife only says all this because he buys her horse farms and different houses :rolleyes:

[jkmaletic]

Part of the truth that still needs to come out from Fleetwood Mac's side is that Lindsey wanted to do solo dates in between Mac dates. I think it wasn't mentioned on the CBS interview because of:

A. Airtime constraints

or

B. Fleetwood Mac didn't want to have to explain that allowing that would be a bad business decision. Even though that is true, they would come off as callous if they brought that part of it up.



Jamie

[Storms123]

The truth always comes out. I could see the truth on $tevie's face. You better clutch someone's hand. Hang on to someone else while you lie.

So I am not the only one who noticed her gripping John’s arm and clutching Mike’s hand while speaking of how bittersweet it all is???

[bombaysaffires]

So I am not the only one who noticed her gripping John’s arm and clutching Mike’s hand while speaking of how bittersweet it all is???

Nope. ;)

She was doing that throughout the whole thing. My take was that she is so not used to this level of criticism against her, she was really uncomfortable about this interview, and what to say.

I thought it was curious that she was actually quite quiet. She really let Mick do all the talking which she usually doesn't. Having fans mad at her to this extent is new for her and I think it threw her off a bit. Once the tour starts and if the tickets sell, she'll be her old self again. :(

[DreamIsOver]

Nope. ;)

I thought it was curious that she was actually quite quiet. She really let Mick do all the talking which she usually doesn't. Having fans mad at her to this extent is new for her and I think it threw her off a bit. Once the tour starts and if the tickets sell, she'll be her old self again. :(

It's a long 5 months until that opening night, though...

[Storms123]

It's a long 5 months until that opening night, though...

I actually think it will persist thru the run of the tour, at least the early part of it. Was really interesting how quiet she was, and when she did speak, she kind of muffed it up. Of course, Mick mucked it up worse and it was really good for the perception of this current crew when the camera panned over to Christine and she was staring at her fingernails. Lol

[dreamsunwind]

This should help dispel the notion that LB didn't want to tour, or wanted delay the tour or made ANY kind of ultimatums.

:(
The fact that they would lie like this is just heartbreaking.

[HomerMcvie]

I'll bet anything, that the minute Petty died, she had it in her sights, on how to replace Lindsey with MC.

Conniving old witch!:mad:

[ryan4136]

The differences in conversations between LB and Kristen v LB and Stevie must be so staggering.

[sleepless child]

The Fleetwood Mac tour doesn't even start until Fall. Isn't that only a few months between when Lindsey wanted to start? He would have time to tour solo if he wanted. Rehearsal start in June? How much rehearsal do you need? Your playing the same songs.

[bwboy]

The differences in conversations between LB and Kristen v LB and Stevie must be so staggering.

What an odd statement. Of course they would be.

[secondhandchain]

I'll bet anything, that the minute Petty died, she had it in her sights, on how to replace Lindsey with MC.

Conniving old witch!:mad:

You're the best! :]

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=jkmaletic;1224996]Part of the truth that still needs to come out from Fleetwood Mac's side is that Lindsey wanted to do solo dates in between Mac dates. I think it wasn't mentioned on the CBS interview because of:

A. Airtime constraints

or

B. Fleetwood Mac didn't want to have to explain that allowing that would be a bad business decision. Even though that is true, they would come off as callous if they brought that part of it up.



No they said he didn't want to tour for a year, which we all know is a lie.

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=bombaysaffires;1225004]Nope. ;)

"She was doing that throughout the whole thing. My take was that she is so not used to this level of criticism against her, she was really uncomfortable about this interview, and what to say."


Does this person surrounded by hangers on and sycophants even know about the anger? Or is she told by her people how great everything is? I bet the latter. She is in her own fairy dust bubble.

[TrueFaith77]

[QUOTE=bombaysaffires;1225004]Nope. ;)

"She was doing that throughout the whole thing. My take was that she is so not used to this level of criticism against her, she was really uncomfortable about this interview, and what to say."


Does this person surrounded by hangers on and sycophants even know about the anger? Or is she told by her people how great everything is? I bet the latter. She is in her own fairy dust bubble.

Yeah, I think she was trying to demonstrate a united front by holding their hands.

[HomerMcvie]

You're the best! :]

Thanks!!!

I calls em as I see em! :angel::angel::angel:

[sodascouts]

Yeah, I think she was trying to demonstrate a united front by holding their hands.

Agreed. I took it as "Look at how we all love each other."

I also think Stevie's "people" have ensured she remains blissfully unaware of fan backlash, or at least the extent of it.

[Murrow]

So I am not the only one who noticed her gripping John’s arm and clutching Mike’s hand while speaking of how bittersweet it all is???

There was me thinking she was giving John moral support. He looked half asleep through the whole thing and didn't say a word. He never seems to do any music away from the group unlike Mick.

I would be interested to hear any of the facts KB has to offer...

[AncientQueen]

I think Kirsten perfectly summed it up with the last hashtag:
#whoareyoupeople

That's what I'm asking myself since the news broke. I know for decades that they are some hard money-grabbers, but this now is just so unbelievable respectless and transparent.
#Idon'tknowyoupeople

[lennonfan]

what a terrible thing to read.
I feel like Lindsey and the fans have been seriously dissed.
I don't even know what to say. I've loved that band for 45 years now.

[button-lip]

Neale and Brett were probably already signed off so they couldn't do much. They've been loyal to Lindsey individually as well as FM for years so I can't imagine they'd go against him.

Neale will still play with FM. Brett won't. He politely declined.

[bombaysaffires]

Neale will still play with FM. Brett won't. He politely declined.

Really? He appeared to be in the footage of them rehearsing with Mike and Neil that was shown during the CBS interview....

[button-lip]

I checked out his daughters instagram to see if there was any info and decided to leave a message of support. I mentioned the video taken by a fan that proved LB was planning on touring. She asked me about it and it was posted and she was very thankful. BTW the Kristen #whoareyoupeople says it ALL.

That last hashtag.... wow, if anyone had any doubts, well, like you said, I think we can pretty conclude who were behind Lindsey's firing.

Right, we don't use that word. ;)

[singertobe]

Let's not forget that during the Rumours tour, Lindsey had a seizure and ALMOST DIED but they STILL made him perform that night! Some friends right?:mad:

[sodascouts]

Let's not forget that during the Rumours tour, Lindsey had a seizure and ALMOST DIED but they STILL made him perform that night! Some friends right?:mad:

Well, I haven't heard that one. I had heard that Lindsey toughed it out and played a show despite being in immense pain due to a spinal tap, which he had done after suffering from a seizure while on the Rumours tour.

[Morgana]

I'll bet anything, that the minute Petty died, she had it in her sights, on how to replace Lindsey with MC.

Conniving old witch!:mad:

Touche' !!!! :xoxo:

[Morgana]

Well, I haven't heard that one. I had heard that Lindsey toughed it out and played a show despite being in immense pain due to a spinal tap, which he had done after suffering from a seizure while on the Rumours tour.

Carol Ann Harris wrote about that in her book. According to her the band insisted that he play despite the seriousness.

[dreamsunwind]

Carol Ann Harris wrote about that in her book. According to her the band insisted that he play despite the seriousness.

I remember that from her book. It was after his first seizure I believe? She really dragged the band for it. Obviously take her perspective with a grain of salt but she even said Richard Dashut started crying when he realized Mick and others cared more about what was going to happen with the show than about the fact that something could've been seriously wrong with Lindsey.

[sodascouts]

I remember that from her book. It was after his first seizure I believe? She really dragged the band for it. Obviously take her perspective with a grain of salt but she even said Richard Dashut started crying when he realized Mick and others cared more about what was going to happen with the show than about the fact that something could've been seriously wrong with Lindsey.

Wow, can't believe I forgot that! True, I haven't read her book in over a decade, but you'd think I'd remember a story where Lindsey almost died!

[bwboy]

Carol Ann Harris wrote about that in her book. According to her the band insisted that he play despite the seriousness.

Wow, any other time someone mentions her book, it's not to be believed.

If I'd had a seizure before or during a concert, I definitely would have chucked the concert. Sorry the band didn't insist Lindsey rest and recover, and sorry Lindsey didn't stick up for himself and say "no way!"

[dreamsunwind]

Wow, any other time someone mentions her book, it's not to be believed.


Tbh I've always believed most of her book. I think she definitely had a slanted angle she was portraying/exaggerated some things but I do think most of the actual events she talked about happened.

[SteveMacD]

To be fair, didn’t Mick nearly go into a diabetic coma during a show and still manage to finish the show?

[dreamsunwind]

Wow, can't believe I forgot that! True, I haven't read her book in over a decade, but you'd think I'd remember a story where Lindsey almost died!

I mean I think she kind of exaggerated it, he definitely had a seizure but I don't think that it nearly killed him. She was saying his whole body was convulsing and that he choked on his tongue and his face turned blue from the lack of air but part of me thinks that was probably her exaggerating it. If he was able to play a concert after, even sitting down, it couldn't have been THAT bad.

[elle]

This should help dispel the notion that LB didn't want to tour, or wanted delay the tour or made ANY kind of ultimatums.

thank you. i wish anything could. some people just like to be dense or live in their made-up cocoon.

[bwboy]

To be fair, didn’t Mick nearly go into a diabetic coma during a show and still manage to finish the show?

SteveMacD, shouldn't this post be moved to a different forum? :laugh:

Sorry, couldn't resist! I think everybody could point out different sacrifices each band member has made at one time or another for FM.

[button-lip]

thank you. i wish anything could. some people just like to be dense or live in their made-up cocoon.

Are by any chance those cocoons made of glitter and rainbows? :D

[moon]

At Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks? I think we just found out whose responsible...

I'm starting to have no doubts about it...
What Kristen says is really sad, but she knows the support of the fans who are not living a good moment with all of this. Of course we would like to read a statement from the own Lindsey, but for what I read before, it's true that we could hear it in form of songs in a new album. But I don't see an old Lindsey writing against someone like on his FM days or even in the first half of the 90s...
Anyway, would be nice to see, hear, read something from his own.

[elle]

I'm starting to have no doubts about it...
What Kristen says is really sad, but she knows the support of the fans who are not living a good moment with all of this. Of course we would like to read a statement from the own Lindsey, but for what I read before, it's true that we could hear it in form of songs in a new album. But I don't see an old Lindsey writing against someone like on his FM days or even in the first half of the 90s...
Anyway, would be nice to see, hear, read something from his own.

he needs to release a song on itunes. like this week or next!

unfortunately, 1) he's never good with being on the ball as far as business and PR goes, and 2) he has a label so he cannot just release stuff on his own whenever he wants to.

did i say it before - i HATE it that he's with the label now. getting held back and screwed all over again, from Best Of on.

[Storms123]

he needs to release a song on itunes. like this week or next!

unfortunately, 1) he's never good with being on the ball as far as business and PR goes, and 2) he has a label so he cannot just release stuff on his own whenever he wants to.

did i say it before - i HATE it that he's with the label now. getting held back and screwed all over again, from Best Of on.

His daughters should take over his social media...LOL. We need a Lindseybuckinghamofficial...It would be great for him to release something ASAP.

[elle]

His daughters should take over his social media...LOL. We need a Lindseybuckinghamofficial...It would be great for him to release something ASAP.
completely agree. several people also suggested that on LeeLee's post - and she liked it.

and perhaps KB should stir the ship and assist, and throw in some curve-balls as she's been! :cool:

[Storms123]

completely agree. several people also suggested that on LeeLee's post - and she liked it.

and perhaps KB should stir the ship and assist, and throw in some curve-balls as she's been! :cool:

And I have to say, she's been doing it in a really classy way. Obviously don't know her so I don't mean to imply she wouldn't but we've all been on the receiving end of a bad situation and the knee jerk response is to lash out (at least for me it is)---she/LeeLee aren't. Much kudos there. There posts are thoughtful and heartfelt.
I've said in other posts--there are NO winners in this situation. It's just bad all around. Not to poke the bear either, but yesterday's interview didn't help the band at all. Sad Situation!

[elle]

[/B]

And I have to say, she's been doing it in a really classy way. Obviously don't know her so I don't mean to imply she wouldn't but we've all been on the receiving end of a bad situation and the knee jerk response is to lash out (at least for me it is)---she/LeeLee aren't. Much kudos there. There posts are thoughtful and heartfelt.
I've said in other posts--there are NO winners in this situation. It's just bad all around. Not to poke the bear either, but yesterday's interview didn't help the band at all. Sad Situation!
yup!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiCogmMg0kU/

kbchrush I happened to see a tweet on Mick Fleetwood’s Twitter today that asked ...”what is the secret to Fleetwood Mac’s success?” This question struck a chord with me and compelled me to answer.
But because I am getting old I don’t know how to use Twitter, I’ll just post my thoughts here...maybe someone out there can put it up on Twitter for me lol. So....“what is the secret of FM success Mick?” My opinion/answer is. ..”The heady chemistry and artistry of these 5 members together - John, Christine, Mick, Stevie, and Lindsey. That iconic sound by those 5 coupled with romantic tension and the worlds love of drama made a undeniable cocktail. Each personality and their creativity defined the band and it’s success.” Therefore honors such as Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Grammys, MusiCares Person of the Year to name a few were earned by this group. It is beyond a shame what has come to pass over recent days. I have lots of thoughts, feelings and facts that I will spare you from at this point. It is my husbands place to speak in his own words when the time is right for him. All I can say is thank you to all the loyal fans that supported FM over the years and for recognizing how stars only align once in a blue moon...and they did for this band. @mickfleetwoodofficial @stevienicks #whoareyoupeople

just to embed the pic, too:

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plus, she added to the end:
@mickfleetwoodofficial @stevienicks @christinemcvieofficial and you too John. #whoareyoupeople

[button-lip]

yup!



just to embed the pic, too:

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plus, she added to the end:
@mickfleetwoodofficial @stevienicks @christinemcvieofficial and you too John. #whoareyoupeople

She edited her post and added Christine and John. That's odd.

[dreamsunwind]

I think people should also remember that something like this is probably hard on a family. There's likely a big emotional toll in seeing your loved one get kicked out by the group he's been a part of and devoted so much of his life to for 40 years. And then just the fact that as long as the Buckingham family has existed, they've known their father/husband as a member of Fleetwood Mac. Having to adjust to the fact that he's NOT that anymore and that it happened in such a sad way is probably very difficult.

[Storms123]

I think people should also remember that something like this is probably hard on a family. There's likely a big emotional toll in seeing your loved one get kicked out by the group he's been a part of and devoted so much of his life to for 40 years. And then just the fact that as long as the Buckingham family has existed, they've known their father/husband as a member of Fleetwood Mac. Having to adjust to the fact that he's NOT that anymore and that it happened in such a sad way is probably very difficult.

On top of which, having his credibility and work ethic called into question....Sad situation all around.

[button-lip]

I think people should also remember that something like this is probably hard on a family. There's likely a big emotional toll in seeing your loved one get kicked out by the group he's been a part of and devoted so much of his life to for 40 years. And then just the fact that as long as the Buckingham family has existed, they've known their father/husband as a member of Fleetwood Mac. Having to adjust to the fact that he's NOT that anymore and that it happened in such a sad way is probably very difficult.

Well, once again, thank you. :xoxo:

People seem to dismiss the fact that this family breathed FM for 20 years. Emotional ties were broken. Between the whole Buckingham family and Ms Nicks. That people that Stevie used to call her family (Jeff Buckingham and his family) especially during the San Jose concert is now bashing her.

At this point it's hard to deny Stevie had nothing to do with this.

[Angel75]

On top of which, having his credibility and work ethic called into question....Sad situation all around.

And having all the Washington Post articles etc coming out, bringing up all the domestic abuse details again decades after it happened....how does he explain all that to his teenage daughters?

[iamnotafraid]

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What are the odds that the person who blew coke
up her kazoo is in this picture? Don't inhale...

[HomerMcvie]

Are by any chance those cocoons made of glitter and rainbows? :D

I love you. :xoxo:

[DownOnRodeo]

Before seeing this (presumably legitimate?) statement by the missus, I assumed that there was a slight but credible chance that the firing/replacement was, as another poster suggested in some other thread here, at least partially part of a deliberate angle towards another "The Dance"-esque Rumours reunion a few years hence. But this statement coming from her seems to invalidate the likeliness of that perspective. ie A Rumours lineup reunion may happen organically down the track, but it is clear now that such a reunion is not something that is being contemplated or orchestrated by the LB side at present.

[StreetAngel86]

I thought it was curious that she was actually quite quiet. She really let Mick do all the talking which she usually doesn't. Having fans mad at her to this extent is new for her and I think it threw her off a bit. Once the tour starts and if the tickets sell, she'll be her old self again. :(

so Karen or someone must have a lovely job
reading all the FB comments and IG comments slamming her ass to the ground ... some of them are ... ferral. i doubt Stevie is reading them herself and someone wouldn't just say "well, there's been a bit of a backlash..." they would be all like ... there are a few people who are not happy but ... it's mostly very supportive **massive side eye**

but you know what, you have this fanbase ... and some of you have been in it since the beginning with this band (some, like myself much much later) you just can't pull this kind of bull $#it and not expect NO repercussions or people to be like, yeah ok Stevie we still love you (i do but i want to smash her head in too).

and KB, well I'm sure she likes her lifestyle and building giant barnyards and whatnot but I think even if they had no money she would be supportive because it is like anyone losing their job who has a family and loved ones and it impacts all of them :distress: she knows we're all mad. she's been reading the FB comments and they're not exactly glowy :eek::thumbsup:

[QUOTE=secondhandchain;1225021]

Yeah, I think she was trying to demonstrate a united front by holding their hands.

i think she was holding onto john's arm so he didn't bolt or punch her in the balls

[button-lip]

so Karen or someone must have a lovely job
reading all the FB comments and IG comments slamming her ass to the ground ... some of them are ... ferral. i doubt Stevie is reading them herself and someone wouldn't just say "well, there's been a bit of a backlash..." they would be all like ... there are a few people who are not happy but ... it's mostly very supportive **massive side eye**

but you know what, you have this fanbase ... and some of you have been in it since the beginning with this band (some, like myself much much later) you just can't pull this kind of bull $#it and not expect NO repercussions or people to be like, yeah ok Stevie we still love you (i do but i want to smash her head in too).

and KB, well I'm sure she likes her lifestyle and building giant barnyards and whatnot but I think even if they had no money she would be supportive because it is like anyone losing their job who has a family and loved ones and it impacts all of them :distress: she knows we're all mad. she's been reading the FB comments and they're not exactly glowy :eek::thumbsup:


Believe it or not, some fans STILL think she's the most amazing people in the universe, and this was of course, Mick and Lindsey's fault.
And of course, they have to drag Kristen's lifestyle into this. How she owns her horses and her houses to Stevie's success. :eek::lol:

[jbrownsjr]

thank you. i wish anything could. some people just like to be dense or live in their made-up cocoon.

Haha!! I know what you mean. Well said.

[Storms123]

[QUOTE=StreetAngel86;1225137]so Karen or someone must have a lovely job
reading all the FB comments and IG comments slamming her ass to the ground ... some of them are ... ferral. i doubt Stevie is reading them herself and someone wouldn't just say "well, there's been a bit of a backlash..." they would be all like ... there are a few people who are not happy but ... it's mostly very supportive **massive side

I actually think people are telling her what’s being said. She may not own a computer, phone or anything else, but she is a savvy woman. She is going to have to change her entire persona on this tour, and if she’s not aware she won’t. Every twirl and story has been the same since The Dance. She knows the shippers ate the SNL dynamic up (both of them did...Mick is the biggest shipper of all$). She was very subdued in that interview. I am sure some combo of Karen/Sharon/Lori are tasked with letting her know all of the accolades she and the band are receiving. Hell, I am sure she even realized how bad that interview went.

[jmn3]

Neale will still play with FM. Brett won't. He politely declined.

Just wondering if this ever was confirmed or how you know this? Not doubting just wanting to clarify. Because honestly, I always loved Chris and was so glad she came back and I could see them in 2014, but he carried a ton of the heavy lift on the keys. I'd have to think they would need to find someone new to do the same on this tour.

[jbrownsjr]

[QUOTE=StreetAngel86;1225137]so Karen or someone must have a lovely job
reading all the FB comments and IG comments slamming her ass to the ground ... some of them are ... ferral. i doubt Stevie is reading them herself and someone wouldn't just say "well, there's been a bit of a backlash..." they would be all like ... there are a few people who are not happy but ... it's mostly very supportive **massive side

I actually think people are telling her what’s being said. She may not own a computer, phone or anything else, but she is a savvy woman. She is going to have to change her entire persona on this tour, and if she’s not aware she won’t. Every twirl and story has been the same since The Dance. She knows the shippers ate the SNL dynamic up (both of them did...Mick is the biggest shipper of all$). She was very subdued in that interview. I am sure some combo of Karen/Sharon/Lori are tasked with letting her know all of the accolades she and the band are receiving. Hell, I am sure she even realized how bad that interview went.

There must be some heart broken shippers. They used to eat that stuff up like it was cocaine. But but but.. he's on Soldier's Angel... but but but they had an affair during the Dance.. but but but .. they still write about each other.. but but but.. they kissed and held hands....

I'm sure some shippers feel like they are going through a break up themselves.

I personally felt gut punched as I started hearing about these developments after Musicares.

[jmn3]

[QUOTE=Storms123;1225145]

There must be some heart broken shippers. They used to eat that stuff up like it was cocaine. But but but.. he's on Soldier's Angel... but but but they had an affair during the Dance.. but but but .. they still write about each other.. but but but.. they kissed and held hands....

I'm sure some shippers feel like they are going through a break up themselves.

I personally felt gut punched as I started hearing about these developments after Musicares.

The only positive of this whole ****show is that you don't have to see grown ass adults gushing over (quite obviously emotionally vacant at this point) hugs and kisses between two senior citizens who had a relationship that ended over 40 years ago!!

[elle]

Just wondering if this ever was confirmed or how you know this? Not doubting just wanting to clarify. Because honestly, I always loved Chris and was so glad she came back and I could see them in 2014, but he carried a ton of the heavy lift on the keys. I'd have to think they would need to find someone new to do the same on this tour.

there are several versions of what happened floating around. in all versions he will not be with the Mac tour this fall.

some versions have him telling the band he cannot stand by their betrayal, calling Billy, and walking away. other versions have him leaking to Billy about LB firing, which made the band furious and Stevie fired him. which in turn led to Christine now being furious with Stevie ["not the boss"] for not even asking her first.

sit back and watch the fireworks.

[HomerMcvie]

Just wondering if this ever was confirmed or how you know this? Not doubting just wanting to clarify. Because honestly, I always loved Chris and was so glad she came back and I could see them in 2014, but he carried a ton of the heavy lift on the keys. I'd have to think they would need to find someone new to do the same on this tour.

Tru dat.

I don't think she actually played much at BV shows, other than just holding chords. Brett was either playing it, or it was karaoke tracks. I think a LOT of it was karaoke. I'm convinced Hold Me was.

[bwboy]

What are the odds that the person who blew coke
up her kazoo is in this picture? Don't inhale...

I don't know, but I do see a picture of Lindsey, the man who beat up women. I'm just thankful he didn't beat Christine like he did Carol Ann Harris.

Oh wait, did I cross a line? :sorry:

[StevieandChris]

I don't know, but I do see a picture of Lindsey, the man who beat up women. I'm just thankful he didn't beat Christine like he did Carol Ann Harris.

Oh wait, did I cross a line? :sorry:

Gasp! Of course you did. Don’t you know there are people who cannot accept that their King ever did this and it was all that mean ole Carol Ann’s fault? If it happened? And that Stevie deserved all of the mental and/or physical abuse he allegedly dished out to her. But the King is 100% blameless and can go on being an ass because he is the creative force behind the great band that was the soundtrack of our lives. :shrug: ;)

[HomerMcvie]

I don't know, but I do see a picture of Lindsey, the man who beat up women. I'm just thankful he didn't beat Christine like he did Carol Ann Harris.

Oh wait, did I cross a line? :sorry:

:lol::lol::lol:
You're funny. Wouldn't you be more comfortable just gushing in the $tevie forum???

[StevieandChris]

And having all the Washington Post articles etc coming out, bringing up all the domestic abuse details again decades after it happened....how does he explain all that to his teenage daughters?

Whether he got fired or not...he should have always been worried about explaining his behavior to his daughters. He is not the victim in this matter.

[elle]

But the King is 100% blameless and can go on being an ass because he is the creative force behind the great band that was the soundtrack of our lives. :shrug: ;)
you are projecting.

most LB fans have never considered him blameless in everything he ever did in his life, or any kind of king. most LB fans believe allegations in CAH book, way more than all these SN fans who find her book offensive to their faultless chiff-queen. many of us also believe in redemption and turning one's life around. the fact that LB's family stands so lovingly behind him in all this should be enough indication for anyone who is thinking he's the same man now as 40 years ago. "the power and the importance of change."

unlike SN fans who still cannot accept that their queen changed for the worse, and is so obviously a bitter a** herself, these days.

[button-lip]

I don't know, but I do see a picture of Lindsey, the man who beat up women. I'm just thankful he didn't beat Christine like he did Carol Ann Harris.

Oh wait, did I cross a line? :sorry:

Where's that picture? Right.... it's in your mind! :shrug:


Gasp! Of course you did. Don’t you know there are people who cannot accept that their King ever did this and it was all that mean ole Carol Ann’s fault? If it happened? And that Stevie deserved all of the mental and/or physical abuse he allegedly dished out to her. But the King is 100% blameless and can go on being an ass because he is the creative force behind the great band that was the soundtrack of our lives. :shrug: ;)

Allegedly is such a beautiful word. Especially for Stevie's fans. You said it, not me. Big mistake.

And yes, you're the creative force if you can play an instrument. A tamborine doesn't count, of course.

[HomerMcvie]

And yes, you're the creative force if you can't play an instrument. A tamborine doesn't count, of course.

Ever hear her count off Enchanted? I'm not sure she can count, period. Well, I guess I mean, "count in time".:lol:

I even remember reading reviews for The Wild Heart when it came out, reviewers mocking her arrhythmic count off of the song.

Creative force?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[button-lip]

Whether he got fired or not...he should have always been worried about explaining his behavior to his daughters. He is not the victim in this matter.

And yet, they love him inconditionally, because they're the family he always wanted. Luckily he found a woman who wanted to create that family with him and stop wasting his time. :rolleyes:

[AncientQueen]

Gasp! Of course you did. Don’t you know there are people who cannot accept that their King ever did this and it was all that mean ole Carol Ann’s fault? If it happened? And that Stevie deserved all of the mental and/or physical abuse he allegedly dished out to her. But the King is 100% blameless and can go on being an ass because he is the creative force behind the great band that was the soundtrack of our lives. :shrug: ;)
It's not like that. I DO have major problems with Lindseys character/behaviour for decades now. But that is ME. The BAND has never had a problem with that, EVER. So since that never was a factor, it wasn't a reason that played into his firing, either. The band does not care about how Lindsey treats his women, period. There is no other motive to fire Lindsey than greed, and you shouldn't try to make it about anything involving morals.

And so - while I absolutely don't like Lindsey as a person, it is still respectless towards him and the fans to fire him like that, because as long as he brought the money, no matter what he did, he was good enough. Until another option for a cashcow was there to milk.
And that is on Mick, John, Christine and (to a lesser extend) on Stevie. I find them all despicable for it.

[TrueFaith77]

there are several versions of what happened floating around. in all versions he will not be with the Mac tour this fall.

some versions have him telling the band he cannot stand by their betrayal, calling Billy, and walking away. other versions have him leaking to Billy about LB firing, which made the band furious and Stevie fired him. which in turn led to Christine now being furious with Stevie ["not the boss"] for not even asking her first.

sit back and watch the fireworks.

wow! that is fascinating if all roads lead to Brett as the leak, in either scenario. he stands with buck! So now I have two new hashtags to add to my signature #IStandWithBrettTuggle and #KristenBuckinghamIStheBoss

:laugh:

On top of which, having his credibility and work ethic called into question....Sad situation all around.

Exactly. What an abominable excuse for firing him--to accuse Lindsey, of ALL of them, of not being a team player willing to tour for a long period of time. Can he sue for defamation?

[elle]

wow! that is fascinating if all roads lead to Neale as the leak, in either scenario. he stands with buck! So now I have two new hashtags to add to my signature #IStandWithBrettTuggle and #KristenBuckinghamIStheBoss

:laugh:

Brett, not Neale.

lol #KBSheQueen

[SteveMacD]

I'm just thankful he didn't beat Christine like he did Carol Ann Harris.
Even today, my money would be on Christine emasculating him if he laid a hand on her.

[elle]

Even today, my money would be on Christine emasculating him

unfortunately today, Christine seems to be afraid to stand up for herself or anyone else. :(

i really have to wonder whether she didn't get a full member benefits when she came back. or she's just tired of all the bs and cannot believe she's right back in it. she needs to walk. unless that will cost her everything she's got for breaking the contract.

[HomerMcvie]

unfortunately today, Christine seems to be afraid to stand up for herself or anyone else. :(

i really have to wonder whether she didn't get a full member benefits when she came back. or she's just tired of all the bs and cannot believe she's right back in it. she needs to walk. unless that will cost her everything she's got for breaking the contract.

I agree completely. She should have walked away from this sh*t show.

Do another comfortable BuckVie, and casually tour behind it...go out with style...go out with class...

Instead, this f*cking bullsh*t!:mad:

[FuzzyPlum]

Might it not be the case they may no longer require the services of Brett just because Neil Finn also plays keys? Even so, it would still be a bit sh!tty to just jettison Brett.

[ryan4136]

I wonder if the terms of Chris' return was that if she left the band again she would void her royalties.

[elle]

Might it not be the case they may no longer require the services of Brett just because Neil Finn also plays keys? Even so, it would still be a bit sh!tty to just jettison Brett.

in that case Christine would not be furious about Stevie getting rid of Brett (if those rumors are true, of course). Brett was her backup, since it seems rather obvious - and fully understandable! - at 75 she cannot play everything she could when younger anymore.

[bwboy]

unfortunately today, Christine seems to be afraid to stand up for herself or anyone else. :(

i really have to wonder whether she didn't get a full member benefits when she came back. or she's just tired of all the bs and cannot believe she's right back in it. she needs to walk. unless that will cost her everything she's got for breaking the contract.

It is also possible Christine was ok with the decision to fire Lindsey, but I love that people think she's being held captive to FM by some contract. I mean, she's obviously in complete agreement with the decision or she wouldn't be there. Contracts aren't impossible to get out of, especially if situations have changed. For example, if a band mate is forced out. She could claim ill health, or her plane phobia is back. A person can't be forced to tour if they don't want to, and right now, she wants to.

[button-lip]

unfortunately today, Christine seems to be afraid to stand up for herself or anyone else. :(

i really have to wonder whether she didn't get a full member benefits when she came back. or she's just tired of all the bs and cannot believe she's right back in it. she needs to walk. unless that will cost her everything she's got for breaking the contract.

There's only one victim in FM. :rolleyes:

[singertobe]

It's not like that. I DO have major problems with Lindseys character/behaviour for decades now. But that is ME. The BAND has never had a problem with that, EVER. So since that never was a factor, it wasn't a reason that played into his firing, either. The band does not care about how Lindsey treats his women, period. There is no other motive to fire Lindsey than greed, and you shouldn't try to make it about anything involving morals.

And so - while I absolutely don't like Lindsey as a person, it is still respectless towards him and the fans to fire him like that, because as long as he brought the money, no matter what he did, he was good enough. Until another option for a cashcow was there to milk.
And that is on Mick, John, Christine and (to a lesser extend) on Stevie. I find them all despicable for it.

Somehow I believe John had little to do with this

[bombaysaffires]

I think Christine is supporting Mick. They've been together a long time, and he considers her a 'sister' and all that.

I suspect she's been put in a really crap situation,again thanks to Mick actually. Making decisions while she's not there. If that's the real truth.

I'm just curious about this "majority" rules stuff from Mick. What to him constitutes a majority? Clearly it can't be majority of the band, because even if all 3 (Mick, Stevie, John) agreed he had to go, which is mathematically a majority, one member was not consulted.

So is a majority really "the majority of band members who were in the room at the time"? If so, then a "majority" only needs to be 2 people out of the 3. Again, all fingers point back to Mick and Stevie.

[AncientQueen]

Somehow I believe John had little to do with this
That's what you got here? I rest my case!:angel:

[elle]

but I love that people think she's being held captive to FM by some contract. I mean, she's obviously in complete agreement with the decision or she wouldn't be there. Contracts aren't impossible to get out of, .

you mean like that imaginary contract chiff-queen had to record her solo album at the exact same time Fleetwood Mac needed her to be in the studio with them?

and the contract she didn't have anymore a year later when they kept asking her to join, and she said final "no!" so they went ahead with BuckVie while she was publicly taunting them not to release that album, because, you know, albums don't sell anymore so why waste time and money?

that contract? if it existed why wouldn't she figure out the way to stand with "her" band? you know, the good team player she is??

[bombaysaffires]

I kind of like that he hasn't said anything yet..... he's kind of lying in wait, like a ticking time bomb (so to speak) that they just don't know when it will go off.... it kind of doesn't let them fully put all this behind them and move on, because they've got to be braced to respond to whatever he might put out at some point. So it hangs over their heads, as they wait for the other shoe to drop..... they can rehearse, they can tour, but until he gets his side of the story out there it kinda just hangs over them like a black cloud.

[elle]

That's what you got here? I rest my case!:angel:

John voted with Mick. he may be disgusted with the whole bs situation he is in now, but if he hasn't none of them would be here.

[bombaysaffires]

you mean like that imaginary contract chiff-queen had to record her solo album at the exact same time Fleetwood Mac needed her to be in the studio with them?

and the contract she didn't have anymore a year later when they kept asking her to join, and she said final "no!" so they went ahead with BuckVie while she was publicly taunting them not to release that album, because, you know, albums don't sell anymore so why waste time and money?

that contract? if it existed why wouldn't she figure out the way to stand with "her" band? you know, the good team player she is??

if contracts are easy to get out of, then why did we have a huge band implosion if LB wanted out of a touring contract? or, if as the tv interview quotes Mick, LB held out on signing it in the first place?

She will suddenly have a new found love of recording new music now that she can mold her music into Heartbreakers music.:laugh:

[jmn3]

there are several versions of what happened floating around. in all versions he will not be with the Mac tour this fall.

some versions have him telling the band he cannot stand by their betrayal, calling Billy, and walking away. other versions have him leaking to Billy about LB firing, which made the band furious and Stevie fired him. which in turn led to Christine now being furious with Stevie ["not the boss"] for not even asking her first.

sit back and watch the fireworks.

Oh boy if there’s any truth there, the soap opera behind the scenes is better than anything this glorified cover band can do on a stage

[jmn3]

Tru dat.

I don't think she actually played much at BV shows, other than just holding chords. Brett was either playing it, or it was karaoke tracks. I think a LOT of it was karaoke. I'm convinced Hold Me was.

Yeah there is plenty of video evidence where she’d need two hands to play the noise that you’re hearing and she’s scratching her head or something! The karaoke aspect of the shows kept me from being interested. Lindsey mouthing the “why don’t you” parts on Hold Me while the canned tracks played was cringe worthy.

[Dr.Brown]

I kind of like that he hasn't said anything yet..... he's kind of lying in wait, like a ticking time bomb (so to speak) that they just don't know when it will go off....

Prophetic lyrics from Lindsey:

I got a bad complication
I keep it to myself
I got some strange information
I can't think of nothin' else
These must be about a million
Single ways to go down
'Cause I'm a lonely stranger
In this time bomb town

I got some strange information
I keep it to myself
I got a bad reputation
I can't think of nothin' else
There must be about a million
Single ways to go down
Oh I'm a lonely stranger
In a time bomb town

Oh there must be about a million
Single ways to go down
Oh I'm a lonely traveler
In this time bomb town

Oh there must be a million people
They're all trying to make it down
'Cause they're just lonely travelers
In this time bomb town
Time bomb town

[elle]

I kind of like that he hasn't said anything yet..... he's kind of lying in wait, like a ticking time bomb (so to speak) that they just don't know when it will go off.... it kind of doesn't let them fully put all this behind them and move on, because they've got to be braced to respond to whatever he might put out at some point. So it hangs over their heads, as they wait for the other shoe to drop..... they can rehearse, they can tour, but until he gets his side of the story out there it kinda just hangs over them like a black cloud.

although they seem to be imploding on their own.

he can just sit back, write some songs, and watch. and release something on itunes or live or somewhere - and soon!!

meanwhile KB is being his Iman, with those nice classy posts every day or 2.

[Storms123]

By no means do I think this tour will fail, but I do wonder if it will fare as well as OWTS. My guess is no. So...what will be the gauge for that. When will we know. I don’t plan on going But in the past, i obsessed over presale and wanted to be as close to the front as possible. I’ve been fortunate enough to be front and center as well as right in front of LB and left center between Stevie and Christine. I wonder how the presale for this will go? Will folks wait (I would if I was going). How soon will we see sales and can we assume somewhere there will be a rolling comparison to OWTS. I would love to see that

[dontlookdown]

By no means do I think this tour will fail, but I do wonder if it will fare as well as OWTS. My guess is no. So...what will be the gauge for that. When will we know. I don’t plan on going But in the past, i obsessed over presale and wanted to be as close to the front as possible. I’ve been fortunate enough to be front and center as well as right in front of LB and left center between Stevie and Christine. I wonder how the presale for this will go? Will folks wait (I would if I was going). How soon will we see sales and can we assume somewhere there will be a rolling comparison to OWTS. I would love to see that


Based on the interest level amongst the Tom Petty fan base, I’m predicting the shows will sell out fast.

[bwboy]

you mean like that imaginary contract chiff-queen had to record her solo album at the exact same time Fleetwood Mac needed her to be in the studio with them?

and the contract she didn't have anymore a year later when they kept asking her to join, and she said final "no!" so they went ahead with BuckVie while she was publicly taunting them not to release that album, because, you know, albums don't sell anymore so why waste time and money?

that contract? if it existed why wouldn't she figure out the way to stand with "her" band? you know, the good team player she is??

I don't know anything about anyone's contracts. But my response was to your post, where you said it was a possibility Christine was only going along with the decision to fire Lindsey because she had a contract she couldn't get out of. You were the one who said contract, not me. I don't pretend to know whether Christine had a contract, or whether Stevie had a contract to do one more album, and I never said she did.

You say other people are projecting, but you're doing it, too. You say Stevie "was publicly taunting them not to release the album (Buck/Vie), because, you know, albums don't sell anymore." What? How is that taunting them? It may be her opinion that albums don't sell anymore, but how is that statement "taunting" them? It looks like you're projecting, too.

I understand you're angry about Lindsey's firing and I'm not trying to change your mind about it. But just like you say "that imaginary contract chiff-queen had," this contract you say Christine has could also be imaginary. Even calling Stevie 'chiff-head' shows you can't stick to the facts and you're blinded by emotions. It would actually lend you more credibility if you called Stevie by her name, but when you resort to silly name calling, and yes I've heard worse, but it's still childish, it automatically shows you have a slanted pov about the situation.

[dreamsunwind]

Based on the interest level amongst the Tom Petty fan base, I’m predicting the shows will sell out fast.

IA, what they lost with FM fans they gained in Heartbreakers fans. It's upsetting but a smart move.

[secondhandchain]

IA, what they lost with FM fans they gained in Heartbreakers fans. It's upsetting but a smart move.

I'm sure it will sell fine and they thought of that when they hired him. Which shows you they DO NOT care about the fans. They care (mostly MIck and Stevie) about MONEY. She even says it in her interviews. "we'll make a lot of money". Sickening.

[Storms123]

IA, what they lost with FM fans they gained in Heartbreakers fans. It's upsetting but a smart move.

I hear you and agree to a degree, but MC is going to play someone else’s songs, save for maybe one or 2.

[dontlookdown]

3 comments I’ve heard over the last few weeks:
“I’ve always liked Fleetwood Mac, but never enough to go see them.
With Mike Campbell in the band, I’ll definitely go!”

And from a Fleetwood Mac hater in my family while watching the interview on CBS:
“Oh my god, I’ll go see them now”.

I asked this hater what would be different enough to warrant buying a ticket now.
The response:
“The music will be more joyful now. I appreciate Lindsey’s talent, but Mike Campbell’s sound is pure joy”.

And from a big TP fan who’s a casual FM fan.
“Fleetwood Mac was great on the last tour but I felt like I didn’t need to see them again. Now I have to go again”.

[dreamsunwind]

I hear you and agree to a degree, but MC is going to play someone else’s songs, save for maybe one or 2.

What I really don't uunderstand is why Mike Campbell, a great, original guitarist on his own, would want to go on tour playing Lindsey Buckingham songs.

[Storms123]

I love TP and so happy I got a chance to see them. While I think it’s great MC isn’t sitting idle, I don’t need to relive my TP love by seeing his guitarist play in another band. Similarly, if LB joined the E Street band or the Eagles, it’s not going to get me running for Ticketmaster. But that’s just me...opinions are what makes the world go round

[dreamsunwind]

I love TP and so happy I got a chance to see them. While I think it’s great MC isn’t sitting idle, I don’t need to relive my TP love by seeing his guitarist play in another band. Similarly, if LB joined the E Street band or the Eagles, it’s not going to get me running for Ticketmaster. But that’s just me...opinions are what makes the world go round

I think because Tom passed, they know the Heartbreakers won't be touring anymore, so they're happy to see MC doing something and will want to go see him. Especially since he already has had a working relationship with Stevie.

[HomerMcvie]

Yeah there is plenty of video evidence where she’d need two hands to play the noise that you’re hearing and she’s scratching her head or something! The karaoke aspect of the shows kept me from being interested. Lindsey mouthing the “why don’t you” parts on Hold Me while the canned tracks played was cringe worthy.

Especially during the first half of the tour. I've heard they replaced the sound guy that started the tour. I was at show #2, and the karaoke tracks were BLATANT. No hiding it, or even attempting to hide it. And the intro(and break in the middle) of Hold Me, neither she nor Brett's hands were playing that piano part.

But then I saw them again in Nov(with I guess the second sound guy), and the karaoke was mixed much lower in the mix. Although it was a piercingly loud show. People all around me were bitching about how loud(more SHRILL than loud) it was.

[jeets2000]

It is also possible Christine was ok with the decision to fire Lindsey, but I love that people think she's being held captive to FM by some contract. I mean, she's obviously in complete agreement with the decision or she wouldn't be there. Contracts aren't impossible to get out of, especially if situations have changed. For example, if a band mate is forced out. She could claim ill health, or her plane phobia is back. A person can't be forced to tour if they don't want to, and right now, she wants to.

I don't know anything about anyone's contracts. But my response was to your post, where you said it was a possibility Christine was only going along with the decision to fire Lindsey because she had a contract she couldn't get out of. You were the one who said contract, not me.

Hmm... Just to add another perspective here, I saw one person on this board asking aloud if perhaps there were penalties associated with not going on tour, and another mansplaining how easy contracts are to get out of.

If you don't know anything about anyone's contracts, maybe "explaining" to all of us how easy they are to get out of isn't the best place to start? :wavey:

Not to mention claiming to know with certainty that Christine doesn't have any misgivings at all about firing Lindsey. :rolleyes:

We know Christine is going on tour with Fleetwood Mac later this year, and we know what she said in the promotional interviews given to CBS and Rolling Stone. That's it.

[SteveMacD]

I don’t see how anyone could fault Christine for staying even if she doesn’t agree with the decision. What else was she going to do? Quit the band and wait for Lindsey to finish his solo tour so that they could do a Buckingham McVie followup in a year or two? She’s going to be 75. Christine made it clear that she wasn’t part of the decision and holds no ill will towards Lindsey. That should be good enough.

[dontlookdown]

What I really don't uunderstand is why Mike Campbell, a great, original guitarist on his own, would want to go on tour playing Lindsey Buckingham songs.

I'm sure he doesn't look at it that way.
He and Lindsey are friends - they wrote and recorded together on 3 separate TP albums.
He'll be playing World Turning and possibly Go Your Own Way. The rest will be Nicks and McVie and Peter Green songs.

[bwboy]

Hmm... Just to add another perspective here, I saw one person on this board asking aloud if perhaps there were penalties associated with not going on tour, and another mansplaining how easy contracts are to get out of.

If you don't know anything about anyone's contracts, maybe "explaining" to all of us how easy they are to get out of isn't the best place to start? :wavey:

Not to mention claiming to know with certainty that Christine doesn't have any misgivings at all about firing Lindsey. :rolleyes:

We know Christine is going on tour with Fleetwood Mac later this year, and we know what she said in the promotional interviews given to CBS and Rolling Stone. That's it.

I never said Christine "doesn't have any misgivings at all," I said obviously she agreed with the decision or she wouldn't be touring with them, or participating in interviews.

I don't know of any contracts, haven't seen them, obviously LOL. Neither has elle or anyone else here. But contracts CAN be broken. I didn't say they are, were, or will be, I said they CAN be broken. Christine, like all of them, is of a certain age where health can affect her ability to work. It would not be hard to have a doctor write a medical excuse, if it came to that. Same thing, especially, with John. Plus, any of them could argue that the circumstances have changed since they signed the contract, i.e. another member of the band was fired and replaced by someone new, so this contract is null and void. If the whole band wasn't on board with this, they wouldn't be touring. If Christine wanted out, she could afford a lawyer who could get her out of it, or at least TRY to get her out. She could start a lawsuit. Instead, she's on CBS This Morning talking about Neil and rehearsing for their tour.

[bombaysaffires]

IA, what they lost with FM fans they gained in Heartbreakers fans. It's upsetting but a smart move.

I agree with everyone who is saying the tour will sell fine and that a lot of people from the TP camp will show up for Mike. He was indeed a very smart choice.

And it works doubly well for Stevie, who always said she wished she was in the Heartbreakers, that if Tom asked her to join she'd leave FM to join the HB. She's always wanted her music to sound like his, (she hired Jimmy Iovine to help do that) and now she's got one of the key architects of the HB sound in 'her' band.

Elsewhere people are betting that Stop Draggin My Heart Around will be added to the FM set this tour-- maybe even in place of Stand Back (or I think in addition to, but we'll see). It's a Stevie song, Mike co-wrote it, and it's a way to work in a tribute to Tom.

Now that Brett is out on keyboards, I'm waiting to see if she asks Benmont to join and support the tour as well. Then she'll really have the best of FM and the HB.

[Nick]

IDGAF what she has to say. I'd rather hear from the man.

[elle]

update on who is Brett going with this fall, from someone close to him (in response to the Brett-Billy leak rumor):

"This is false. Brett isn't in touch with Billy and didn't leak anything to anyone. He's enjoyed working across band and solo projects for many years and loves and supports FM whatever direction the band takes. That said, there's always been a musical & personal brotherhood with Lindsey and he very much looks forward to getting back out on the road with him."

[jwd]

update on who is Brett going with this fall, from someone close to him (in response to the Brett-Billy leak rumor):

"This is false. Brett isn't in touch with Billy and didn't leak anything to anyone. He's enjoyed working across band and solo projects for many years and loves and supports FM whatever direction the band takes. That said, there's always been a musical & personal brotherhood with Lindsey and he very much looks forward to getting back out on the road with him."

Can't wait to check out his solo show! :thumbsup:

[StreetAngel86]

And of course, they have to drag Kristen's lifestyle into this. How she owns her horses and her houses to Stevie's success. :eek::lol:

:lol: Stevie HAD her own horse... probably inspired KB :lol:
Stevie rocks up at the Farm ... "How is MY farm going? you know, you have money to do this because iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii am the band and your husband is my minion" :lol::lol::lol:

they would all still be riding horses if LB was a completely solo artist. he just wouldn't be gifting them to KB. they would be "Renting" them :thumbsup:



[QUOTE=jbrownsjr;1225149]

The only positive of this whole ****show is that you don't have to see grown ass adults gushing over (quite obviously emotionally vacant at this point) hugs and kisses between two senior citizens who had a relationship that ended over 40 years ago!!

40 years ago ... you mean 20 ;)
i ship the Ship and that has definitely added to the saddness of this DrahMah
sure 98% of this was staged phoney baloney...but you're paying for the performance and they know what (some) people are there to see. But i am here for the 2% that i think is actually real and heartfelt and hopefully from somewhere pure and without an agenda.

but i've been questioning a lot this past week :distress:

[Storms123]

update on who is Brett going with this fall, from someone close to him (in response to the Brett-Billy leak rumor):

"This is false. Brett isn't in touch with Billy and didn't leak anything to anyone. He's enjoyed working across band and solo projects for many years and loves and supports FM whatever direction the band takes. That said, there's always been a musical & personal brotherhood with Lindsey and he very much looks forward to getting back out on the road with him."

And that my friends is loyalty. Character doesn't change. I am sure he left a bigger paycheck on the table to stay true to himself and what he believes in. He can look himself in the mirror (unlike Christine McVie who is too busy staring at her fingernails).

[SteveMacD]

And that my friends is loyalty. Character doesn't change. I am sure he left a bigger paycheck on the table to stay true to himself and what he believes in. He can look himself in the mirror (unlike Christine McVie who is too busy staring at her fingernails).
Christine will be 75 and was out of commission for 16 (but really more like 23) years. She wants to do as much as she can now while there’s still time. From her vantage point, she could quit the band, which also features people she loves, and do nothing for a couple of years, OR she could do something constructive with her time, again, with people she also loves.

And, it’s lame that you’re trying to compare the the band’s primary hit writer to a sideman.

Lindsey wasn’t absolutist about it when she left. He didn’t say it’s all or none. The incomplete band played on.

[HomerMcvie]

And that my friends is loyalty. Character doesn't change. I am sure he left a bigger paycheck on the table to stay true to himself and what he believes in. He can look himself in the mirror (unlike Christine McVie who is too busy staring at her fingernails).

You are freaking awesome! Totally agree.

[button-lip]

And that my friends is loyalty. Character doesn't change. I am sure he left a bigger paycheck on the table to stay true to himself and what he believes in. He can look himself in the mirror (unlike Christine McVie who is too busy staring at her fingernails).

I agree. Character doesn’t change. This wasn’t a rushed decision. Stevie has been whispering on Mick’s ear since Musicares. Lindsey didn’t have a chance. :distress:

[secondhandchain]

I agree with everyone who is saying the tour will sell fine and that a lot of people from the TP camp will show up for Mike. He was indeed a very smart choice.

And it works doubly well for Stevie, who always said she wished she was in the Heartbreakers, that if Tom asked her to join she'd leave FM to join the HB. She's always wanted her music to sound like his, (she hired Jimmy Iovine to help do that) and now she's got one of the key architects of the HB sound in 'her' band.

Elsewhere people are betting that Stop Draggin My Heart Around will be added to the FM set this tour-- maybe even in place of Stand Back (or I think in addition to, but we'll see). It's a Stevie song, Mike co-wrote it, and it's a way to work in a tribute to Tom.

Now that Brett is out on keyboards, I'm waiting to see if she asks Benmont to join and support the tour as well. Then she'll really have the best of FM and the HB.

This makes me even more angry that Tambourine lady is RUINING Fm's legacy so she can be half a freaking heartbreaker. Which I believe is partly what's behind this. She's the absolute worst.

[Storms123]

Christine will be 75 and was out of commission for 16 (but really more like 23) years. She wants to do as much as she can now while there’s still time. From her vantage point, she could quit the band, which also features people she loves, and do nothing for a couple of years, OR she could do something constructive with her time, again, with people she also loves.

And, it’s lame that you’re trying to compare the the band’s primary hit writer to a sideman.

Lindsey wasn’t absolutist about it when she left. He didn’t say it’s all or none. The incomplete band played on.

It isn't lame at all--their jobs in the group and the importance of each, weren't called into question, nor was I questioning her talent, I made a comment on her character.
She left of her own accord and he actually tried to preserve her legacy in the band by kiboshing Sheryl Crow. This situation is decidedly different and whether people are Stevie fans, Lindsey fans or fans of the band, they cannot be refuted. She quit, and by all accounts, Lindsey was fired.

[lilyfee]

KB’s post indicates that she holds all of the band members responsible for whatever went down in Lindsey’s firing. At first she tagged only the accounts she knew existed and then she edited it to call out everyone, even John!

Is it possible to take all this at face value? Mick, Stevie, Christine and John all wanted to tour this year. Lindsey did not. He wanted to do other things and push off the tour until November 2019. These seem to be the facts.

Then something went down after Musicares, making it clear that no compromise could be reached. Mick mentioned the muscle memory of negativity with Lindsey. Something occurred which caused Mick, Stevie and the others to decide to go on with the show minus Lindsey. This culminated in “the band” most likely in the form of Mick, unceremoniously firing Lindsey from the tour and swiftly replacing him. We know that Mick has no problem doing this as every lineup of the band is the result of Mick’s “forward progression.” I think the others just want to perform this year as planned and that is why they are doing the tour, plain and simple.

I see why Lindsey’s family members are upset - we all are - but until we hear Lindsey’s version of events, this is all we have to go on.

[bombaysaffires]

Listen to the interview with the band for Mick's version of how he picked the new people and why:

https://player.siriusxm.com/#/player/on-demand

this should go right to the FM interview

[button-lip]

KB’s post indicates that she holds all of the band members responsible for whatever went down in Lindsey’s firing. At first she tagged only the accounts she knew existed and then she edited it to call out everyone, even John!

Is it possible to take all this at face value? Mick, Stevie, Christine and John all wanted to tour this year. Lindsey did not. He wanted to do other things and push off the tour until November 2019. These seem to be the facts.

Then something went down after Musicares, making it clear that no compromise could be reached. Mick mentioned the muscle memory of negativity with Lindsey. Something occurred which caused Mick, Stevie and the others to decide to go on with the show minus Lindsey. This culminated in “the band” most likely in the form of Mick, unceremoniously firing Lindsey from the tour and swiftly replacing him. We know that Mick has no problem doing this as every lineup of the band is the result of Mick’s “forward progression.” I think the others just want to perform this year as planned and that is why they are doing the tour, plain and simple.

I see why Lindsey’s family members are upset - we all are - but until we hear Lindsey’s version of events, this is all we have to go on.

Well, I don't think Lindsey's family is being so vocal on social media about what happened without Lindsey's blessing. And even the tour delays are not very clear. RS says November 2019 and CBS says November 2018.

[MoonSister75]

Is it possible to take all this at face value? Mick, Stevie, Christine and John all wanted to tour this year. Lindsey did not. He wanted to do other things and push off the tour until November 2019. These seem to be the facts.



It would be great if we could all stick to the facts - this is what I've been attempting to do.

However, the band is being fairly wishy-washy about it all, and Lindsey is being completely silent, understandably leading most fans to wonder what really happened to cause the firing.

[dreamsunwind]

KB’s post indicates that she holds all of the band members responsible for whatever went down in Lindsey’s firing. At first she tagged only the accounts she knew existed and then she edited it to call out everyone, even John!

Is it possible to take all this at face value? Mick, Stevie, Christine and John all wanted to tour this year. Lindsey did not. He wanted to do other things and push off the tour until November 2019. These seem to be the facts.

Then something went down after Musicares, making it clear that no compromise could be reached. Mick mentioned the muscle memory of negativity with Lindsey. Something occurred which caused Mick, Stevie and the others to decide to go on with the show minus Lindsey. This culminated in “the band” most likely in the form of Mick, unceremoniously firing Lindsey from the tour and swiftly replacing him. We know that Mick has no problem doing this as every lineup of the band is the result of Mick’s “forward progression.” I think the others just want to perform this year as planned and that is why they are doing the tour, plain and simple.

I see why Lindsey’s family members are upset - we all are - but until we hear Lindsey’s version of events, this is all we have to go on.

That's not actually true. It's a very altered version of the truth to make Lindsey look mostly at fault, the band look innocent, like they had no other choice. Many of the people who had known about this for long before it was actually announced have said so as well. Even watching/listening to the interviews, it's so obvious that they're lying.

[bombaysaffires]

It would be great if we could all stick to the facts - this is what I've been attempting to do.

However, the band is being fairly wishy-washy about it all, and Lindsey is being completely silent, understandably leading most fans to wonder what really happened to cause the firing.

yeah that's the thing. It *could* in theory be just a scheduling thing, but there's something really 'off' about their body language, their demeanor, their use of a very careful script that suggest there is far more to this.

I was thinking about that earlier today. It is in everyone's best interests to just say "it was a scheduling conflict" and move on. Whatever the rest of it was, no matter who was at fault, they don't want to talk about it.

So what might it have been? Knowing these guys, it could be literally ANYTHING you could imagine and a lot we probably would never have imagined, and therefore that's why people are just pondering different possibilities. I wouldn't say all of it is conspiracy theories, I would just say it's people who have followed this dysfunctional bunch for so long tossing out actual possibilities in an effort to understand.

Stories have been shared that something ugly happened the night of Musicares (1/26). Of course it didn't show onstage because they are all professionals onstage. But whatever it was it seems to have been enough that Stevie said she couldn't/would't work with Lindsey again. Did it get physical? Did they just say vicious things to each other? We don't know. Lindsey certainly from his demeanor with fans the next day (1/27) didn't think it was something that would break up the band. It seems like Chris didn't think it was something that would break up the band either, as she flew off to London and (though it is distinctly possible she's just saying nothing because she wants to stay out of it) but she gives no indication something made her go back to London thiking/knowing the band was going to break up. :shrug:

Mike was called almost immediately after Musicares. He was locked in by 6 days later (2/1). In the Sirius interview Neil says he was called 2 weeks before the band met in Maui. They met there on 3/21 so he was called late Feb. Mick says Mike was already confirmed and definitely in the band by then (and really sooner, coz he himself admits he was called by *Mick* on 2/1. Notice that still leaves the definite possibility that *Stevie* called him before that.) Personally, I just can't imagine the first call he'd get was from Mick, given how close he and Stevie are. My opinion is she would have contacted him to feel him out before that, but who knows. :shrug:

So given how fast Mike was signed on, even if we just go by the official story, it would make only 6 days after musicares.... the decision to go without Lindsey was made very very fast but not by everyone. LB didn't seem to convey he was out the day after the show, and Chris didn't seem to indicate he was out after the show, but within a matter of days he was out and Mike was in. Given Stevie's relationship with Mike, and knowing he was out of a gig at the time, it's hard NOT to imagine Stevie telling Mick she cannot work with him again, and immediately thinking of Mike. :shrug: It would seem Mick was an easy sell on this, but they had to convince John that they should give Lindsey the boot first.

Neill took them a bit longer to decide on. Stevie says on CBS they sat around a table and listened to everyone they could think of to pick someone....was Chris part of that?? That is so not clear. Was she still in London? But it didn't take more than a week or two, given that he was called around 3/7 (which is exactly 2 weeks before they met and played in Maui).

I'm just thinking that everyone thought blaming it on scheduling kept their dirty laundry private which benefits (they think) everyone. Lindsey won't come out and say "no it wasn't scheduling, it was actually that I had a massive anger fit and said these awful things" (I'm just positing a hypothesis here). So they know they can say "scheduling" and it whitewashes EVERYONE'S bad behavior.

The problem is they are telegraphing in other ways (intentional or unintentional-- and I tend to think unintentionally) that they are lying, or not being fully truthful. Whether LB will ever say what it was depends on how much of what really happened will reflect poorly on him. :shrug:

This band still has a dysfunctional loyalty of covering their dirty laundry. It's just a question now if LB will play along with it.

[button-lip]

That's not actually true. It's a very altered version of the truth to make Lindsey look mostly at fault, the band look innocent, like they had no other choice. Many of the people who had known about this for long before it was actually announced have said so as well. Even watching/listening to the interviews, it's so obvious that they're lying.

There's always a choice, but of course, they have to come as the poor victims on Lindsey's hands. November 2019 is a lie, like it was already seen on CBS. It's nice to find an excuse to keep on blaming Lindsey, but these people are not coming as innocent band members who couldn't wait anymore for Lindse and they had to fire him.

[dreamsunwind]

yeah that's the thing. It *could* in theory be just a scheduling thing, but there's something really 'off' about their body language, their demeanor, their use of a very careful script that suggest there is far more to this.

I was thinking about that earlier today. It is in everyone's best interests to just say "it was a scheduling conflict" and move on. Whatever the rest of it was, no matter who was at fault, they don't want to talk about it.

So what might it have been? Knowing these guys, it could be literally ANYTHING you could imagine and a lot we probably would never have imagined, and therefore that's why people are just pondering different possibilities. I wouldn't say all of it is conspiracy theories, I would just say it's people who have followed this dysfunctional bunch for so long tossing out actual possibilities in an effort to understand.

Stories have been shared that something ugly happened the night of Musicares (1/26). Of course it didn't show onstage because they are all professionals onstage. But whatever it was it seems to have been enough that Stevie said she couldn't/would't work with Lindsey again. Did it get physical? Did they just say vicious things to each other? We don't know. Lindsey certainly from his demeanor with fans the next day (1/27) didn't think it was something that would break up the band. It seems like Chris didn't think it was something that would break up the band either, as she flew off to London and (though it is distinctly possible she's just saying nothing because she wants to stay out of it) but she gives no indication something made her go back to London thiking/knowing the band was going to break up. :shrug:

Mike was called almost immediately after Musicares. He was locked in by 6 days later (2/1). In the Sirius interview Neil says he was called 2 weeks before the band met in Maui. They met there on 3/21 so he was called late Feb. Mick says Mike was already confirmed and definitely in the band by then (and really sooner, coz he himself admits he was called by *Mick* on 2/1. Notice that still leaves the definite possibility that *Stevie* called him before that.) Personally, I just can't imagine the first call he'd get was from Mick, given how close he and Stevie are. My opinion is she would have contacted him to feel him out before that, but who knows. :shrug:

So given how fast Mike was signed on, even if we just go by the official story, it would make only 6 days after musicares.... the decision to go without Lindsey was made very very fast but not by everyone. LB didn't seem to convey he was out the day after the show, and Chris didn't seem to indicate he was out after the show, but within a matter of days he was out and Mike was in. Given Stevie's relationship with Mike, and knowing he was out of a gig at the time, it's hard NOT to imagine Stevie telling Mick she cannot work with him again, and immediately thinking of Mike. :shrug: It would seem Mick was an easy sell on this, but they had to convince John that they should give Lindsey the boot first.

Neill took them a bit longer to decide on. Stevie says on CBS they sat around a table and listened to everyone they could think of to pick someone....was Chris part of that?? That is so not clear. Was she still in London? But it didn't take more than a week or two, given that he was called around 3/7 (which is exactly 2 weeks before they met and played in Maui).

I'm just thinking that everyone thought blaming it on scheduling kept their dirty laundry private which benefits (they think) everyone. Lindsey won't come out and say "no it wasn't scheduling, it was actually that I had a massive anger fit and said these awful things" (I'm just positing a hypothesis here). So they know they can say "scheduling" and it whitewashes EVERYONE'S bad behavior.

The problem is they are telegraphing in other ways (intentional or unintentional-- and I tend to think unintentionally) that they are lying, or not being fully truthful. Whether LB will ever say what it was depends on how much of what really happened will reflect poorly on him. :shrug:

This band still has a dysfunctional loyalty of covering their dirty laundry. It's just a question now if LB will play along with it.

This sounds really bad but I think the fact that Lindsey has something of a bad reputation is being used by the band in their favor. Because he's been known throughout the years for being stubborn and bad tempered, they're using that to their advantage to put it all on him.
And I don't think anything really big happened at MusiCares. If anything he just snapped at Karen like someone mentioned, hardly anything memorable. But it had all been thought out before that so what was going to happen, happened anyways.
And I think Lindsey's PR strategy is just to not comment much on things. In the post-Tango era he pretty much just made one statement saying he did not want to go on the road after the album and that he wishes the band well. When Stevie was slandering his name in the press in those years, people reached out for his reps to comment and they never did.

[elle]

This sounds really bad but I think the fact that Lindsey has something of a bad reputation is being used by the band in their favor. Because he's been known throughout the years for being stubborn and bad tempered, they're using that to their advantage to put it all on him.
And I don't think anything really big happened at MusiCares. If anything he just snapped at Karen like someone mentioned, hardly anything memorable. But it had all been thought out before that so what was going to happen, happened anyways.
And I think Lindsey's PR strategy is just to not comment much on things. In the post-Tango era he pretty much just made one statement saying he did not want to go on the road after the album and that he wishes the band well. When Stevie was slandering his name in the press in those years, people reached out for his reps to comment and they never did.

yup. and that's why Lindsey and Christine didn't even think of it, from his demeanor day after with fans, and from what Christine is saying in these interviews. and she was there and saw whatever happened at musicares.

the timeline shows that it was all ready to go: just needed to provoke LB somehow to snap at someone or other (supposedly Karen in this case, and SN self-admittedly knows exactly how to push his buttons when she wants to!) and the plan was put into motion!

they were gonna say he left them, once again, right before the already booked tour. people would be mad at him and feel for them. the only little bump in the road - he didn't want to leave. he dug in and was not going with their story. i'd have to assume he didn't want to sign away anything, none of his Mac member rights. the [ugly] truth that he was ousted came out.

i know these are just wiki pages, but i find it interesting that FM page says LB left in 2018. LB wiki page says he was fired in 2018.

[sue]

.....Machiavellian....almost.
I think, now, that the scheming or at least bad thoughts could have begun
earlier....
Back to Buckingham=Mcvie.
Maybe Stevie was really upset at how much fun Lindsey and Christine had.
Maybe seeds were sown (no pun intended) in the months since her solo tour.

[button-lip]

.....Machiavellian....almost.
I think, now, that the scheming or at least bad thoughts could have begun
earlier....
Back to Buckingham=Mcvie.
Maybe Stevie was really upset at how much fun Lindsey and Christine had.
Maybe seeds were sown (no pun intended) in the months since her solo tour.

She wasn’t just upset, she was jealous. Of their closeness. Something she and Lindsey hadn’t shared in a long time.

[sue]

She wasn’t just upset, she was jealous. Of their closeness. Something she and Lindsey hadn’t share in a long time.

....What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive...

[BombaySapphire3]

She wasn’t just upset, she was jealous. Of their closeness. Something she and Lindsey hadn’t shared in a long time.

Yeah she was jealous over them working on World Turning together so I can imagine how piqued she was over an entire album and tour..but that is just one of the factors in her treacherous machinations IMO.