5 months until the tour starts?

[ryan4136]

Am I reading this right? Plenty of time for LB to have toured. Tickets going on sale in some cases 9 months before the concert what?!?!?!

[NotonRodeo]

Which is why all this talk about the scheduling being the cause of the firing was just a pretext. I never believed it was the genuine cause. The icon simply wanted him out and grasped the easiest opportunity. That Mike Campbell was available made her more daring. Now she has a guitarist who she can wrap around her finger and write Desert Angel Part II.

[NotonRodeo]

The schedule was for Lindsey's best of to be released this month. Assuming a 3 or even 4 month tour there was still plenty of time. Which is why the logistics story going around is nonsense. That's what the icon wants her iconodules to believe.

[button-lip]

Which is why all this talk about the scheduling being the cause of the firing was just a pretext. I never believed it was the genuine cause. The icon simply wanted him out and grasped the easiest opportunity. That Mike Campbell was available made her more daring. Now she has a guitarist who she can wrap around her finger and write Desert Angel Part II.

Well, finally!!! :blob1::blob1::blob1:

Yes, the icon wanted him out. Intermingled tour dates not possible was just a pretext. :xoxo:

And no, there's not another hidden reason.

[jkmaletic]

Come on people. I'm sure you seen the video of Lindsey talking to somebody after the music cares event. He confirmed that he wanted to do solo stuff in between the Fleetwood Mac dates.

[NotonRodeo]

The band is off most of December, January, and early February. They won't allow Lindsey to have some dates in that LONG time span? Give me a break. What a bunch of liars they all are.

[jkmaletic]

The band is off most of December, January, and early February. They won't allow Lindsey to have some dates in that LONG time span? Give me a break. What a bunch of liars they all are.

He wanted to do it in between the Fleetwood Mac tour dates.

[button-lip]

Come on people. I'm sure you seen the video of Lindsey talking to somebody after the music cares event. He confirmed that he wanted to do solo stuff in between the Fleetwood Mac dates.

Yes, and that's why I don't understand why Stevie is saying he wanted to put the tour on hold until November 2019.

[BigAl84]

because im sure he put out two options. delay the tour OR can I do both parallel at the same time. They didnt want to do either and sparks flew. Now they are only telling half the story to aid in spinming it the way they want to.

[jbrownsjr]

because im sure he put out two options. delay the tour OR can I do both parallel at the same time. They didnt want to do either and sparks flew. Now they are only telling half the story to aid in spinming it the way they want to.

And sparks were already flying on a personal level by the time they were talking business. Cold war.. then hot war.. then explosion...

[BigAl84]

heaven forbid they do two months of dates. break so lindsey can do two months of dates and repeat. Yes logistically it may have required losing a little cash. Which drove a big chunk of the decisions.

[button-lip]

because im sure he put out two options. delay the tour OR can I do both parallel at the same time. They didnt want to do either and sparks flew. Now they are only telling half the story to aid in spinming it the way they want to.

Yes, but I don't think he wanted to delay the tour until November 2019. That's a lie.

[button-lip]

heaven forbid they do two months of dates. break so lindsey can do two months of dates and repeat. Yes logistically it may have required losing a little cash. Which drove a big chunk of the decisions.

But they can do almost a two months break between December 15 and the first days of February.

It's like they said 'no' to everything he wanted (even a new album) and now all of a sudden they are doing all they denied to him in the first place.

It really makes me want to cry how unfair they're being to her. All of them. It's like they're punishing him and they're enjoying it. Especially Stevie. :(:(

[ryan4136]

The schedule would suggest they actually agreed to let LB tour in the summer, then start up the FM tour, then have LB to another short leg around Christmas, then finish up the tour.

I get the sense this was more over LB wanting to play new music on the tour, either 1) actual new music or 2) a major change to the golden oldies set list.

I think this is totally over a creative force v. a tried and true method. LB lost this round.

My concern is that a LB tour was predicated on the FM tour earnings bank rolling it. So LB is scrambling to fund what could very well be another 1 man show, or very minimal band tour.

[NotonRodeo]

Well, finally!!! :blob1::blob1::blob1:

Yes, the icon wanted him out. Intermingled tour dates not possible was just a pretext. :xoxo:

And no, there's not another hidden reason.

Thanks, for once I got something right :lol:

[sue]

Yes, but I don't think he wanted to delay the tour until November 2019. That's a lie.

Don’t you hold back, you tell it how you see it.
No grey in button lip World.

But some of us can stand back and think there are TWO sides to every
story......not just Stevie did this, Stevie did that ....

Oh and I’m not even a Stevie fan, I’m a Mac fan.

[Dr.Brown]

What a bunch of liars they all are.

Forget Little Lies - Ironically, the Mac is now Home of the Whopper. :rolleyes:

[Macfan4life]

YES
YES
YES

LMAO the tour does not begin until the fall in October. Lindsey could have been on his solo tour all summer.

LIES TELL ME HUGE GIANT LIES
TELL ME LIES

Mick's statement was deceptive. Mick stated the night of the New York ceremony is when this happened. Then he stated it was about Lindsey not wanting to tour. Then we find out the tour does not begin until October.
If it does not make sense, it is NOT TRUE

Ok pretend you are in New York for the ceremony. Do you really think this is where they had a big fight over touring? Get real. Something DID happen in New York but Mick is not telling the truth. He was honest to say it happened in New York. But the part of "what" happened is not true. How could anyone believe the night Fleetwood Mac gets a big award and does a concert, they argue over touring in the fall and fire Lindsey over it. LMAO
YEAH, right!

[button-lip]

Don’t you hold back, you tell it how you see it.
No grey in button lip World.

But some of us can stand back and think there are TWO sides to every
story......not just Stevie did this, Stevie did that ....

Oh and I’m not even a Stevie fan, I’m a Mac fan.

Sorry you feel that way about me. You can certainly choose to ignore my posts.

Do you honestly believe Lindsey wanted to hold back the tour for what? Almost two years? Because he was fired in January. Does Lindsey's solo work and tour usually last more than 1 year?

Why should I hold back when I know the truth, told to me by people who knows people inside the band? Should I believe Mick? Should I believe Stevie, who said she didn't want to do another album because they don't sell but it's talking now about doing another album?

Believe whatever you want. Good for you.

[dreamsunwind]

Come on people. I'm sure you seen the video of Lindsey talking to somebody after the music cares event. He confirmed that he wanted to do solo stuff in between the Fleetwood Mac dates.

They're going with an angle that makes Lindsey look more unrreasonable/at fault and makes them look more innocent because they didn't expect the huge backlash.

The man who interviewed them also told the two women he met that the reason they're kicking off in Tulsa is so if it ends up badly, it won't be as talked about.

[secondhandchain]

Hmmm I might scalp cheap tickets and go hold up Lindsey signs

[button-lip]

Hmmm I might scalp cheap tickets and go hold up Lindsey signs

Don't. :laugh::laugh::xoxo: They don't care as long as you buy a ticket.

[button-lip]

They're going with an angle that makes Lindsey look more unrreasonable/at fault and makes them look more innocent because they didn't expect the huge backlash.

The man who interviewed them also told the two women he met that the reason they're kicking off in Tulsa is so if it ends up badly, it won't be as talked about.

They told Haley that? Oh, that's priceless! :D

Of course they're going with the "Lindsey was being unrreasonable" angle! What are they gonna say? We didn't want him to do his solo tour with FM tour so we kick him out?

[sue]

Sorry you feel that way about me. You can certainly choose to ignore my posts.

Do you honestly believe Lindsey wanted to hold back the tour for what? Almost two years? Because he was fired in January. Does Lindsey's solo work and tour usually last more than 1 year?

Why should I hold back when I know the truth, told to me by people who knows people inside the band? Should I believe Mick? Should I believe Stevie, who said she didn't want to do another album because they don't sell but it's talking now about doing another album?

Believe whatever you want. Good for you.

Aw thanks BL but how do you know this truth ?????
Tell, who is your source ?
I love you for your sparky comments but lay off .....you know who.
Lindsey is no saint.
������

[elle]

Am I reading this right? Plenty of time for LB to have toured. Tickets going on sale in some cases 9 months before the concert what?!?!?!

i know. how can anyone buy the logic that there was no time for a solo tour before the FM tour? or, looking how spread out these dates are, that there was no space for a solo tour dates?

Lindsey and Chris could have fir both solo tour and another leg of BuckVie tour in there. :thumbsup:

and wait - they need to start rehearsing in june for a tour starting in october?? :rolleyes:

i love it that they told the CBS interviewer they are starting in Oklahoma so if it's a complete bust, they can bury that.

and Mike was hired on Feb 1st, but Lindsey was supposed to come to Maui for his last chance of un-firing on March 21 (or whatever the date late march was)? and they were pissed he didn't show up?? why would he? so they can spit in his face one last time?!?!?

[button-lip]

Aw thanks BL but how do you know this truth ?????
Tell, who is your source ?
I love you for your sparky comments but lay off .....you know who.
Lindsey is no saint.
💋💋💋

Hmm, I have no idea why all of a sudden you chose to attack me.

You can ask some of your friends here about their sources. We all have pretty much the same sources. So maybe if you don't believe me you will believe them.

Why should I lay off attacking Stevie? What's gonna happen if I don't?

[sue]

Hmm, I have no idea why all of a sudden you chose to attack me.

You can ask some of your friends here about their sources. We all have pretty much the same sources. So maybe if you don't believe me you will believe them.

Why should I lay off attacking Stevie? What's gonna happen if I don't?

Mmmm tad definsive, I not attacking you....why would I ?
But you’re pretty quick to attack Ms Nicks ...
I’m asking you for your source, that’s all..

Nothing’s gonna happen incidentally.......if you lay off off or not.

[button-lip]

Mmmm tad definsive, I not attacking you....why would I ?
But you’re pretty quick to attack Ms Nicks ...
I’m asking you for your source, that’s all..

Nothing’s gonna happen incidentally.......if you lay off off or not.

Yes, poor Nicks. Me attacking her. She must be devastated. No, wait, she's so sad because of Lindsey's "leaving" she probably doesn't even notice me.

Wow! I'm already trembling....

Yeah, sometimes truth sucks.

[sue]

Yes, poor Nicks. Me attacking her. She must be devastated. No, wait, she's so sad because of Lindsey's "leaving" she probably doesn't even notice me.

Wow! I'm already trembling....

Yeah, sometimes truth sucks.

You still don’t name your source....
Where do you get your knowledge from, that’s all I’m asking.
You know “Stevie said Fire him etc etc “
Where is this coming from ?
And I’m asking this in the most generous way, I wanna know.

[bombaysaffires]

i know. how can anyone buy the logic that there was no time for a solo tour before the FM tour? or, looking how spread out these dates are, that there was no space for a solo tour dates?

Lindsey and Chris could have fir both solo tour and another leg of BuckVie tour in there. :thumbsup:

and wait - they need to start rehearsing in june for a tour starting in october?? :rolleyes:

i love it that they told the CBS interviewer they are starting in Oklahoma so if it's a complete bust, they can bury that.

and Mike was hired on Feb 1st, but Lindsey was supposed to come to Maui for his last chance of un-firing on March 21 (or whatever the date late march was)? and they were pissed he didn't show up?? why would he? so they can spit in his face one last time?!?!?


wait, what? what's this about the he was supposed to join them in Maui for one last chance??

I will say, with all the gaps in the schedule we see, if he was still pushing for a delay in the tour, that would be asking for trouble. :shrug:

[elle]

wait, what? what's this about the he was supposed to join them in Maui for one last chance??

remember that vid from Maui rehearsals with Mike C and Neil Finn they showed in the CBS interview?

that was end of march. supposedly they told LB he can show up too, if he wanted one last chance. or maybe they didn't invite him but he was considering going since he knew about it. not completely sure which way it was. but the other 2 guys were already in the band at that point. :rolleyes:

[button-lip]

You still don’t name your source....
Where do you get your knowledge from, that’s all I’m asking.
You know “Stevie said Fire him etc etc “
Where is this coming from ?
And I’m asking this in the most generous way, I wanna know.

When did you see someone name a source on a public forum? Not gonna happen.

It’s ok if you don’t believe me. This is the first time you speak to me.

[elle]

When did you see someone name a source on a public forum? Not gonna happen.

It’s ok if you don’t believe me. This is the first time you speak to me.

exactly! asking people to name their sources is ridiculous. but it always happens here, and i'm always amazed. remember how much hate FM77 used to get? if people wanna believe the info you are giving them, great, if not, they are free not to.

[sodascouts]

exactly! asking people to name their sources is ridiculous. but it always happens here, and i'm always amazed. remember how much hate FM77 used to get? if people wanna believe the info you are giving them, great, if not, they are free not to.
I don't think it's unreasonable to ask people where they get their information from. It's the internet. People can make up anything and attribute it to "sources close to the band" (not saying you are of course).

Even if they're not lying, one person's "source close to the band" might be someone who really is in the know... and another person's "source close to the band" is the friend of the girlfriend of the friend of Lindsey's cousin who posted something in a private Facebook group. I'd personally like to know the difference when I'm weighing all the things I'm being told - especially when the information is contradictory.

[StevieandChris]

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask people where they get their information from. It's the internet. People can make up anything and attribute it to "sources close to the band" (not saying you are of course).

Even if they're not lying, one person's "source close to the band" might be someone who really is in the know... and another person's "source close to the band" is the friend of the girlfriend of the friend of Lindsey's cousin who posted something on Facebook. I'd personally like to know the difference when I'm weighing all the things I'm being told.

Agree completely. No one here is a credible journalist protecting their sources. It is a game of telephone from “sources close to the band” who are obviously taking Lindsey’s side. Because it fits certain agendas, we are hearing about it. The same people would not be mentioning these sources if they had pro-Stevie, pro-Mick, or pro-Christine things to say about this matter. If these sources even exist.

[sue]

When did you see someone name a source on a public forum? Not gonna happen.

It’s ok if you don’t believe me. This is the first time you speak to me.


Ok point taken.........I was having a bad day, on a walking holiday and torrential rain all day.

[SteveMacD]

and Mike was hired on Feb 1st, but Lindsey was supposed to come to Maui for his last chance of un-firing on March 21 (or whatever the date late march was)? and they were pissed he didn't show up?? why would he? so they can spit in his face one last time?!?!?
First I’m hearing of this, but it could be that MC and NF were initially hired on a contingency basis, as a way to call a bluff. I could see a scenario, if this is true, where the band told Lindsey they have Mike and Neil lined up and ready to go, and if he chooses not to be at the rehearsal, he won’t be in the band anymore and they will become official members.

[Feather Blade]

Agree completely. No one here is a credible journalist protecting their sources. It is a game of telephone from “sources close to the band” who are obviously taking Lindsey’s side. Because it fits certain agendas, we are hearing about it. The same people would not be mentioning these sources if they had pro-Stevie, pro-Mick, or pro-Christine things to say about this matter. If these sources even exist.

Well said.

[BigAl84]

Agree completely. No one here is a credible journalist protecting their sources. It is a game of telephone from “sources close to the band” who are obviously taking Lindsey’s side. Because it fits certain agendas, we are hearing about it. The same people would not be mentioning these sources if they had pro-Stevie, pro-Mick, or pro-Christine things to say about this matter. If these sources even exist.

Oh what a crock of crap....:sorry:

[bombaysaffires]

remember that vid from Maui rehearsals with Mike C and Neil Finn they showed in the CBS interview?

that was end of march. supposedly they told LB he can show up too, if he wanted one last chance. or maybe they didn't invite him but he was considering going since he knew about it. not completely sure which way it was. but the other 2 guys were already in the band at that point. :rolleyes:

and somebody actually thought that Lindsey would suddenly say, Oh, ok, I'll be in the band with both these new guys?

That's probably how Mick justifies it as not a 'firing'. Well, we gave him a choice, knowing it was not a choice at all. wtf is wrong with these people.

[FuzzyPlum]

and somebody actually thought that Lindsey would suddenly say, Oh, ok, I'll be in the band with both these new guys?

That's probably how Mick justifies it as not a 'firing'. Well, we gave him a choice, knowing it was not a choice at all. wtf is wrong with these people.


I don't know what the laws are in the US but in the UK that might class as constructive dismissal in a regular workplace (which isn't permitted).

[NotonRodeo]

I don't know what the laws are in the US but in the UK that might class as constructive dismissal in a regular workplace (which isn't permitted).

Ditto in the Philippines too. Here he would be entitled to one month's salary for every year of service. That would greatly reduce the proceeds of the cash grab tour :D

[FuzzyPlum]

I read Mike Campbell was called up 6 days after the Musicares event. I have no doubt things had been building to a head prior to that but come on....6 days!
Surely the history and legacy of the band dictates they should have made more of an effort than bringing in a new guy just 6 days after a bust up.
Let the dust properly settle FFS.

[bombaysaffires]

I read Mike Campbell was called up 6 days after the Musicares event. I have no doubt things had been building to a head prior to that but come on....6 days!
Surely the history and legacy of the band dictates they should have made more of an effort than bringing in a new guy just 6 days after a bust up.
Let the dust properly settle FFS.

Right. something is missing from the story. Musicares was on Friday. Lindsey is video'ed telling fans he wants to try and do solo shows between Mac shows Saturday. (Chris flies home to London also on Saturday, so she was not physically present for whatever came next). 4 days go by, and then on Thursday Mike is called. :shrug:

Interestingly, I haven't heard anything about when Neil was called. Maybe someone else has heard something....

[NotonRodeo]

I read Mike Campbell was called up 6 days after the Musicares event. I have no doubt things had been building to a head prior to that but come on....6 days!
Surely the history and legacy of the band dictates they should have made more of an effort than bringing in a new guy just 6 days after a bust up.
Let the dust properly settle FFS.

That would presume Mick and Stevie possessed a sense of decency and propriety they manifestly don't have. That nauseating performance on CBS says it all.

[lennonfan]

This new atrocity is coming to my hometown, to play the Baltimore Arena.
now I saw Mac as a 4 piece here, I was close and the crowd surge to help Lindsey play his guitar was....so cool.

I would normally be over the moon that Mac was coming back but I can not bring myself to attend this.

I feel sorry for Mike, believe it or not, because during his grief over Tom he now gets sucked into the Fleetwood Mac drama/vortex.

[button-lip]

Oh what a crock of crap....:sorry:

Ok, I have to do this because :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: well said :D

[button-lip]

and somebody actually thought that Lindsey would suddenly say, Oh, ok, I'll be in the band with both these new guys?

That's probably how Mick justifies it as not a 'firing'. Well, we gave him a choice, knowing it was not a choice at all. wtf is wrong with these people.



I read Mike Campbell was called up 6 days after the Musicares event. I have no doubt things had been building to a head prior to that but come on....6 days!
Surely the history and legacy of the band dictates they should have made more of an effort than bringing in a new guy just 6 days after a bust up.
Let the dust properly settle FFS.

That would presume Mick and Stevie possessed a sense of decency and propriety they manifestly don't have. That nauseating performance on CBS says it all.

Like Kristen Buckingham said #whoareyoupeople

Stevie holding Lindsey's arm the whole time during Musicares speech and then stabbing him in the back. Who are you indeed.

[Nick]

This new atrocity is coming to my hometown, to play the Baltimore Arena.
now I saw Mac as a 4 piece here, I was close and the crowd surge to help Lindsey play his guitar was....so cool.

I would normally be over the moon that Mac was coming back but I can not bring myself to attend this.

I feel sorry for Mike, believe it or not, because during his grief over Tom he now gets sucked into the Fleetwood Mac drama/vortex.

Are you kidding? Mike can make some serious money. I'm sure FM can make more money touring than Tom ever did. Not an insult to Tom, I just know FM were/are a bigger touring act.

[elle]

This new atrocity is coming to my hometown, to play the Baltimore Arena.
now I saw Mac as a 4 piece here, I was close and the crowd surge to help Lindsey play his guitar was....so cool.

I would normally be over the moon that Mac was coming back but I can not bring myself to attend this.
i know.

last tour they played DC arena twice, but they didn't play Baltimore.

this time i was not gonna follow them on tour like the last 2 tours. i was gonna just do a home show - so that would have been DC and Baltimore. i was planning to follow LB's solo tour in between, as many shows as i could make.

now of course i would NEVER go. i feel bad for Chris but she needs to walk. i would have to throw up hearing them doing the chain. there's no way to make it through any of their show now.

[elle]

Like Kristen Buckingham said #whoareyoupeople

Stevie holding Lindsey's arm the whole time during Musicares speech and then stabbing him in the back. Who are you indeed.

i know. i was on FB today and somebody said in comment to KB's post - oh she's saying that to fans for being bitter about what happened. no honey, she's liking all the posts from fans supporting Lindsey and calling it like it is.

[dontlookdown]

Are you kidding? Mike can make some serious money. I'm sure FM can make more money touring than Tom ever did. Not an insult to Tom, I just know FM were/are a bigger touring act.

Not so sure about that. Tom Petty was on the road a lot more often than FM - playing huge arenas selling out multiple nights in one city. They had become like the Grateful Dead -- with a huge touring fan base. Their setlists and arrangements were constantly changing, so fans wanted to go as many nights as possible.

[bombaysaffires]

Not so sure about that. Tom Petty was on the road a lot more often than FM - playing huge arenas selling out multiple nights in one city. They had become like the Grateful Dead -- with a huge touring fan base. Their setlists and arrangements were constantly changing, so fans wanted to go as many nights as possible.

Yeah, Tom was huge on the road. He was magnificent live.

Mike was an inspired choice; he'll bring an audience with him that wasn't the case when Billy/Rick joined....no offense to them. I mean they did have fans, but Tom and the HB were another level altogether, and a much bigger and more diverse audience. And they have nowhere else to go right now....so yeah they'll show up to see Mike which will help ticket sales.:shrug:

[jwd]

Yeah, Tom was huge on the road. He was magnificent live.

Mike was an inspired choice; he'll bring an audience with him that wasn't the case when Billy/Rick joined....no offense to them. I mean they did have fans, but Tom and the HB were another level altogether, and a much bigger and more diverse audience. And they have nowhere else to go right now....so yeah they'll show up to see Mike which will help ticket sales.:shrug:


Mostly agree with what you said. Except are they willing to pay top dollar for a concert with their guitar hero nestled in a FM show? It's not Tom Petty after all. They're gonna be playing FM songs mostly. It's not a step up for Mike Campbell, except he was "out in the cold, nowhere to go". TP and The Heartbreakers put on a hell of a live show!

[iamnotafraid]

Stevie holding Lindsey's arm the whole time during Musicares speech and then stabbing him in the back. Who are you indeed.


Just remember, you only stab the ones you love.

[dontlookdown]

Are you kidding? Mike can make some serious money. I'm sure FM can make more money touring than Tom ever did. Not an insult to Tom, I just know FM were/are a bigger touring act.

Also, not many people are aware of Mike Campbell's songwriting credits.
The last thing he needs is money:

Boy's of Summer
Heart of the Matter
Here Comes My Girl
Refugee
Stop Draggin My Heart Around
Runnin Down a Dream
A Woman In Love
You Got Lucky


He has co-writing credits on all of those, which means he made buckets of money on each of them and still continues to. His kids will be earning royalties on these songs long after he's gone.

[StreetAngel86]

Just remember, you only stab the ones you love.

and if CSI taught us anything
stabbings are personal :wavey:

[Morgana]

I've been thinking about Mike Campbell and his statement
""I'm making this my priority until whenever, you know. We'll see what happens," Campbell said." In my humble thinking I see this as an out card if things go south and I am sure they will!

Oh Mick, Stevie, Christine, and John, how could you do this? Its not like yrs ago, ya'll are old for chriss sakes! I wish they could have gone out with dignity and style as the five fireflies

[Storms123]

I've been thinking about Mike Campbell and his statement
""I'm making this my priority until whenever, you know. We'll see what happens," Campbell said." In my humble thinking I see this as an out card if things go south and I am sure they will!

Oh Mick, Stevie, Christine, and John, how could you do this? Its not like yrs ago, ya'll are old for chriss sakes! I wish they could have gone out with dignity and style as the five fireflies


I give Mike a ton of credit--he's in a bad spot and this isn't his fault. I've seen him live before--incredible talent no doubt. The statement he made about joining FM right after the news broke was classy and respectful. It eased the pain a bit :)

[Morgana]

I give Mike a ton of credit--he's in a bad spot and this isn't his fault. I've seen him live before--incredible talent no doubt. The statement he made about joining FM right after the news broke was classy and respectful. It eased the pain a bit :)

I agree he is in a tough spot, balancing it all and yet he handled it with tact and grace, he is a class act. I hope he doesn't get burned.