Thoughts on upcoming tour....

[SRhiannon]

I've read and heard a lot of this "splitting of ways"/"firing" of Lindsey and I've come to the conclusion that if he's not with the band, I'm not going to the "Farewell" concert. What's the point? It's ridiculous!!! I want to see Fleetwood Mac - as Fleetwood Mac! Lindsey Buckingham is an integral part of the band. It's like an arm or leg is pulled away and it's not a whole team anymore. I know I'm just a speck in the big picture but I will not attend the concert. (I have been going to all the concerts solo and full band since the beginning). I'm sure they will be charging way too much anyway!!!:distress:

[HomerMcvie]

I've read and heard a lot of this "splitting of ways"/"firing" of Lindsey and I've come to the conclusion that if he's not with the band, I'm not going to the "Farewell" concert. What's the point? It's ridiculous!!! I want to see Fleetwood Mac - as Fleetwood Mac! Lindsey Buckingham is an integral part of the band. It's like an arm or leg is pulled away and it's not a whole team anymore. I know I'm just a speck in the big picture but I will not attend the concert. (I have been going to all the concerts solo and full band since the beginning). I'm sure they will be charging way too much anyway!!!:distress:

He's WAY WAY more than a speck in the picture. He's the f*cking creative genius that MADE them the band that they are. This next incarnation is going to be a LAME cover band.

[sue]

He's WAY WAY more than a speck in the picture. He's the f*cking creative genius that MADE them the band that they are. This next incarnation is going to be a LAME cover band.

SRhiannon says she’s the speck not Lindsey, you know she’s just one little fan.

[HomerMcvie]

SRhiannon says she’s the speck not Lindsey, you know she’s just one little fan.

Well, I misread who was the speck, but I agree with every word. I think they've made a huge mistake, and I hope they pay the price.

Stevie is the show for many, but they'll sure be missing more than 20%, with him gone. More like 40%! I mean, how many spins can she do?:lol:

[secondhandchain]

It's like why? Why go and see a watered down lame version of FM. Mike C and Finn are great musicians but they at this point are replacements. The ONLY purpose at this point to even have a tour is TAKING YOUR MONEY and nothing more. It's gross.

[Storms123]

Honestly, I get the feeling none of them (except maybe Mick) want to do this “big machine” anymore. Stevie herself said 24k was her most favorite tour ever and Lindsey and Christine looked so happy in the more “intimate setting” (Christine’s words). If that’s the case, let OWTS be the end of it.
Clearly money is a draw, but none of them are starving to death, and with the exception of Mick, seems like they have a decent handle on how to manage their finances

[sue]

Well, I misread who was the speck, but I agree with every word. I think they've made a huge mistake, and I hope they pay the price.

Stevie is the show for many, but they'll sure be missing more than 20%, with him gone. More like 40%! I mean, how many spins can she do?:lol:

.���� Should have gone to Specsavers...(high street optician in UK)

Agree your point though, we saw them in Leeds 2015, he was outta this world.
I asked my husband and he couldn’t even remember Stevie’s performance.
I won’t miss Never going back again....

[dontlookdown]

I remember in 87 on the Tango In The Night tour, it was a little different because Lindsey CHOSE to leave the band.
So it felt like the fans still showed up to support the band. And Rick and Billy did a great job and they sounded great. Lindsey was missed, but the band still sounded great.

I'm sure, based on decades of watching Mike Campbell play with the Heartbreakers, that the upcoming shows will sound amazing. But I think for most of us, it will be beyond bittersweet knowing that Lindsey was kicked out of the band.

I will most likely sit this tour out, unless I can find an affordable ticket and it's a convenient time to go. But I won't be paying off the chart ticket prices or taking any great pains to see them. If it's easy, I'm there. But that's about all the commitment they'll get out of me.

I don't need to see another greatest hits show -- it was getting a little predictable even with Lindsey still touring with them.
Will save my pennies for Lindsey's solo tour and all the great bands out there who are still making great music (and getting along with each other --- The National, Local Natives (the new Fleetwood Mac of LA), Wilco, Rolling Blackouts Coastal Fever, Gillian Welch...)

[nicepace]

How many fans are there who are primarily Christine fans? There seem to be zillions of fans who say they're Stevie fans, or Lindsey fans, or fans of the band as a whole, but how many are there who mostly (or entirely) care about Christine?

She has always been my favorite member of the band, going back to the Welch era. I was ecstatic when she rejoined, and paid to see Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time. I was ecstatic when she recorded an album and toured with Lindsey.

However, my revulsion at what the band did to Lindsey is stronger than my desire to see Chris in concert again. I have exactly zero interest in seeing a show dominated by Stevie and featuring these new musicians, about whom I care not a whit. As much as I love Chris' music, I am not intending to go to the On With the Faux tour. But it makes me a little sad, because this might be my last chance to see her.

Anybody else share my predicament?

[HomerMcvie]

How many fans are there who are primarily Christine fans? There seem to be zillions of fans who say they're Stevie fans, or Lindsey fans, or fans of the band as a whole, but how many are there who mostly (or entirely) care about Christine?

She has always been my favorite member of the band, going back to the Welch era. I was ecstatic when she rejoined, and paid to see Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time. I was ecstatic when she recorded an album and toured with Lindsey.

However, my revulsion at what the band did to Lindsey is stronger than my desire to see Chris in concert again. I have exactly zero interest in seeing a show dominated by Stevie and featuring these new musicians, about whom I care not a whit. As much as I love Chris' music, I am not intending to go to the On With the Faux tour. But it makes me a little sad, because this might be my last chance to see her.

Anybody else share my predicament?

Joanne, I feel exactly the same. After witnessing the LOVE they showed on BV, I'm APPALLED that she stood by and let him get fired. My life long heroine broke my heart!

[FuzzyPlum]

How many fans are there who are primarily Christine fans? There seem to be zillions of fans who say they're Stevie fans, or Lindsey fans, or fans of the band as a whole, but how many are there who mostly (or entirely) care about Christine?

She has always been my favorite member of the band, going back to the Welch era. I was ecstatic when she rejoined, and paid to see Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time. I was ecstatic when she recorded an album and toured with Lindsey.

However, my revulsion at what the band did to Lindsey is stronger than my desire to see Chris in concert again. I have exactly zero interest in seeing a show dominated by Stevie and featuring these new musicians, about whom I care not a whit. As much as I love Chris' music, I am not intending to go to the On With the Faux tour. But it makes me a little sad, because this might be my last chance to see her.

Anybody else share my predicament?


Yes, absolutely. I love Christine but I'm so disappointed with her. At the moment I am steadfastly telling myself I wont go to see a show when they come to the UK. But...I might soften. I don't know how long I can stay annoyed with CM. As soon as I see her on TV being interviewed my heart might melt and I'll feel different. We'll see.
I'm slightly different in that I do actually quite like Neil Finn. I like the Heartbreakers but I've never been a really big fan so I'm not stoked about MC so much. If LB's album and tour does well then I'll certainly reconsider.

[jenniferuk]

How many fans are there who are primarily Christine fans? There seem to be zillions of fans who say they're Stevie fans, or Lindsey fans, or fans of the band as a whole, but how many are there who mostly (or entirely) care about Christine?

She has always been my favorite member of the band, going back to the Welch era. I was ecstatic when she rejoined, and paid to see Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time. I was ecstatic when she recorded an album and toured with Lindsey.

However, my revulsion at what the band did to Lindsey is stronger than my desire to see Chris in concert again. I have exactly zero interest in seeing a show dominated by Stevie and featuring these new musicians, about whom I care not a whit. As much as I love Chris' music, I am not intending to go to the On With the Faux tour. But it makes me a little sad, because this might be my last chance to see her.

Anybody else share my predicament?

Yes, I can relate. At the end of the Dance tour I was sad as Chris was clearly over it and it was obviously an end. Then, this amazing woman returns! And then BuckVie was a very special gift: new music, a brilliant tour, and I found a new appreciation for Lindsey.

And now, another end. I want to see Chris and John again, but not this way, as support to Stevie & friends with LB out.

I've listened to some form of FM or solo music nearly every day for 20+ years and now I can't, without thinking of this mess.

[button-lip]

Joanne, I feel exactly the same. After witnessing the LOVE they showed on BV, I'm APPALLED that she stood by and let him get fired. My life long heroine broke my heart!

Unfortunately, Stevie is a very powerful force, in case you haven't noticed. :rolleyes:

And she's also Mick's friend, not Lindsey's. Well, not in the same way.

[Steviegirl]

I'm with pretty much everything that's been posted here. I've always supported the band and attended every tour--at times travelling hundreds of miles, getting a hotel, and spending hundreds on good seats. I'm not complaining; it's my thing, and I have loved every moment of it. But this is just too distasteful. I'll be redistributing those funds this year to The Avett Brothers.

[jbrownsjr]

I love Christine more than members of my own family. I'm so angry with her. The only glimmer of hope is that she wanted to make guest appearances with LB on his solo stints. I imagine to do BuckVie! I bet I know who got jealous.

$tevie and MIck even took that away from us. $he played this very well.

[Neal]

I won't be stressing out over finding floor seats in the first 10-15 rows, I won't fork over hundreds of dollars above face value, and I won't spend a dime on low quality, overpriced merch... but in all honestly I'll still be going as long as tickets are reasonable.

[button-lip]

I love Christine more than members of my own family. I'm so angry with her. The only glimmer of hope is that she wanted to make guest appearances with LB on his solo stints. I imagine to do BuckVie! I bet I know who got jealous.

$tevie and MIck even took that away from us. $he played this very well.

Yeah, Stevie and Mick certainly ruined everything for us, BV included.

I don't know if this was planned, or jealousy (BV) and grief (Tom's death) played a big part in Stevie's actions, but whatever was the reason she finally got what she wanted. :nod::nod:

[Storms123]

I don't know if this was planned, or jealousy (BV) and grief (Tom's death) played a big part in Stevie's actions, but whatever was the reason she finally got what she wanted. :nod::nod:[/QUOTE]

I hope someone from the FM organization hops on here from time to time to lurk and see what the”real folks” who line their pockets think.

[elle]

I love Christine more than members of my own family. I'm so angry with her. The only glimmer of hope is that she wanted to make guest appearances with LB on his solo stints. I imagine to do BuckVie! I bet I know who got jealous.

$tevie and MIck even took that away from us. $he played this very well.

it's kinda funny how there's a part of chiff fandom that keep preaching how everyone's biased towards their favorite and are completely oblivious that you and Homer and all these other ledgies posting in this thread for example are actually Chris fans and mad and disappointed in her. and so on the edge because woman is 75 and reality has to set in.

can you even imagine how furious SN must have been over even the idea that Chris might join LB at his solo outings? woman was even jealous while still together with him back in the 70s, just seeing him work on WT with Chris. :shrug:

[elle]

I hope someone from the FM organization hops on here from time to time to lurk and see what the”real folks” who line their pockets think.

oh they can just check their social media accounts. FM FB page is slammed with hate comments. way way worse than anything than what people who are trying to be civil post here.

not to even mention Mick's IG.

[McLamb]

How many fans are there who are primarily Christine fans? There seem to be zillions of fans who say they're Stevie fans, or Lindsey fans, or fans of the band as a whole, but how many are there who mostly (or entirely) care about Christine?

She has always been my favorite member of the band, going back to the Welch era. I was ecstatic when she rejoined, and paid to see Fleetwood Mac for the first time in a long time. I was ecstatic when she recorded an album and toured with Lindsey.

However, my revulsion at what the band did to Lindsey is stronger than my desire to see Chris in concert again. I have exactly zero interest in seeing a show dominated by Stevie and featuring these new musicians, about whom I care not a whit. As much as I love Chris' music, I am not intending to go to the On With the Faux tour. But it makes me a little sad, because this might be my last chance to see her.

Anybody else share my predicament?

I'm definitely primarily a Christine fan. I saw FM three times while Burnette and Vito were with them, and enjoyed the shows. Lindsey wasn't with them, but I did see him solo promoting "Out Of The Cradle". After Christine left the band in '98, I refused to see FM unless she returned. So, when they toured with OWTS I saw them twice - once from the third row, directly between Christine and Stevie. The second time on OWTS I was in the front row, directly in front of Lindsey. Many times I moved my hands from the stage just before he stepped on them! I was lucky enough to catch Buckingham/McVie on their tour last fall, third row, directly between Christine and Lindsey. I must say, I found the Buckingham/McVie show to much more enjoyable than any FM concert I've been to.

If Christine is part of this upcoming tour, I'll go, but as always, it's primarily to see her. What I don't want to go through (again) is 10+ minute version of "Gold Dust Woman", or a six-minute story about "Gypsy". Imagine how many more songs could fit in the time taken up by Stevie's ramblings. More than anything, I'd love for them to add some of Christine's songs from the 1971-74 era.

[Storms123]

oh they can just check their social media accounts. FM FB page is slammed with hate comments. way way worse than anything than what people who are trying to be civil post here.

not to even mention Mick's IG.

I saw Mick's IG--I hope whomever is reading it for him is relaying the "love" he's getting!

[nicepace]

More than anything, I'd love for them to add some of Christine's songs from the 1971-74 era.

Same here. If I heard they were playing any of her songs from the Welch era, I would be really tempted to go. None of those songs have been performed since Christine's solo tour of 1984 when she played "Spare Me a Little" and "Just Crazy Love."

However, realistically, I think there is no chance at all that they will perform any of those songs. The Welch era is dead to them. If BuckVie didn't choose to revive any of those songs, it hardly seems possible that the Big Machine will.

[HomerMcvie]

it's kinda funny how there's a part of chiff fandom that keep preaching how everyone's biased towards their favorite and are completely oblivious that you and Homer and all these other ledgies posting in this thread for example are actually Chris fans and mad and disappointed in her. and so on the edge because woman is 75 and reality has to set in.

can you even imagine how furious SN must have been over even the idea that Chris might join LB at his solo outings? woman was even jealous while still together with him back in the 70s, just seeing him work on WT with Chris. :shrug:
EXACTLY. They keep saying, "Stop bashing Stevie", and I've thrown MY FAVORITE - Christine, under the bus completely. She's just a company (wo)man, I guess.:mad:

[HomerMcvie]

Unfortunately, Stevie is a very powerful force, in case you haven't noticed. :rolleyes:

And she's also Mick's friend, not Lindsey's. Well, not in the same way.

Doesn't matter!

She's got plenty of money.
She loves Lindsey.
They just did a fantastic project together.

She could have, she SHOULD have put her foot down, and said, "fire him, and I'm gone, too". That WOULD have stopped it, no question!

Somebody convince me that that wouldn't have stopped it??????????

[lovethemac1]

Doesn't matter!

She's got plenty of money.
She loves Lindsey.
They just did a fantastic project together.

She could have, she SHOULD have put her foot down, and said, "fire him, and I'm gone, too". That WOULD have stopped it, no question!

Somebody convince me that that wouldn't have stopped it??????????

I think Chris could definitely have stopped it, and I am gutted, like you that she didn’t. I think she’s the only one that all respect and all would have listened to. She doesn’t have “issues” with anyone. Even her and John seem to get along well. I love her, but man, I’m disappointed in her esp big time. She has to know this was a big mistake for all the die hard loyal fans.

[button-lip]

Doesn't matter!

She's got plenty of money.
She loves Lindsey.
They just did a fantastic project together.

She could have, she SHOULD have put her foot down, and said, "fire him, and I'm gone, too". That WOULD have stopped it, no question!

Somebody convince me that that wouldn't have stopped it??????????

If she would have chosen Lindsey's side, story could have been different, I agree.

Christine's opinion matters to Mick, probably even more than Stevie's. But Mick agreed on Stevie's long time whim, and Chris, instead of siding with the only person that helped her to create new music, chose Mick. And Stevie by association.

She's a coward, yes. :(

[HomerMcvie]

If she would have chosen Lindsey's side, story could have been different, I agree.

Christine's opinion matters to Mick, probably even more than Stevie's. But Mick agreed on Stevie's long time whim, and Chris, instead of siding with the only person that helped her to create new music, chose Mick. And Stevie by association.

She's a coward, yes. :(

I know. I hope she really regrets it, and knows how much she let the real FM fans down.:(

[BombaySapphire3]

I think Chris could definitely have stopped it, and I am gutted, like you that she didn’t. I think she’s the only one that all respect and all would have listened to. She doesn’t have “issues” with anyone. Even her and John seem to get along well. I love her, but man, I’m disappointed in her esp big time. She has to know this was a big mistake for all the die hard loyal fans.

Stevie could have stopped it ..she is Fleetwood Mac's cashcow without question. If she had told Mick if he goes I go we would not be having these conversations. In 1987 she did not want him to leave. This time she did and I have no doubt that she is the catalyst behind his firing .Like others have said Chris and John just went with it .This by no mean should absolve them especially Christine in light of she and Lindsey's recent work together. So very tacky of her.I don't think any of them care much about the die hard fans ..just the $$$.

[Street_Dreamer]

I don't begrudge anyone who is going to live shows or love the additions of the two replacements. I won't be going to any of the shows even if I could and I certainly won't be buying the album that inevitably is released.

[button-lip]

Stevie could have stopped it ..she is Fleetwood Mac's cashcow without question. If she had told Mick if he goes I go we would not be having these conversations. In 1987 she did not want him to leave. This time she did and I have no doubt that she is the catalyst behind his firing .Like others have said Chris and John just went with it .This by no mean should absolve them especially Christine in light of she and Lindsey's recent work together. So very tacky of her.I don't think any of them care much about the die hard fans ..just the $$$.

How can you stop something you want to happen? :rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

How can you stop something you want to happen? :rolleyes:

Exactly. That's ridiculous. She wanted him fired, so why would she stop it?

She finally became the leader of FM. Musical director. The next tour to feature all kinds of keyboard solos by her, plonking along on the two chords(F and G) that she knows.

PLONK, PLONK, PLONK, PLONK, PLONK! To the gypsy......

She's quite the visionary...:cool:
https://youtu.be/NGBqB_k84Ms

[louielouie2000]

EXACTLY. They keep saying, "Stop bashing Stevie", and I've thrown MY FAVORITE - Christine, under the bus completely. She's just a company (wo)man, I guess.:mad:

But she always has been. Just at what she did to Bob Welch. And how she has always belittled her own solo work and previous bands in favor of FM. In her own way, her dedication to FM is more insidious than Mick’s.

[HomerMcvie]

But she always has been. Just at what she did to Bob Welch. And how she has always belittled her own solo work and previous bands in favor of FM. In her own way, her dedication to FM is more insidious than Mick’s.

I know, believe me. It took me a couple of years to get over her keeping Bob out of the HOF. She's apparently pretty cold, when it comes to business.

[lovethemac1]

Stevie could have stopped it ..she is Fleetwood Mac's cashcow without question. If she had told Mick if he goes I go we would not be having these conversations. In 1987 she did not want him to leave. This time she did and I have no doubt that she is the catalyst behind his firing .Like others have said Chris and John just went with it .This by no mean should absolve them especially Christine in light of she and Lindsey's recent work together. So very tacky of her.I don't think any of them care much about the die hard fans ..just the $$$.

I agree with you. In actual fact, any one of the 4 of them could have done something, but chose not to. So darn disappointing, suck the life blood out of you disappointing.

[BombaySapphire3]

How can you stop something you want to happen? :rolleyes:

What I was trying to say is that I know for certain that Stevie is the reason that he is gone because if she wanted him to be in the band he still would be no question. Guess I just worded it absurdly ..sorry.

[button-lip]

Exactly. That's ridiculous. She wanted him fired, so why would she stop it?

She finally became the leader of FM. Musical director. The next tour to feature all kinds of keyboard solos by her, plonking along on the two chords(F and G) that she knows.

PLONK, PLONK, PLONK, PLONK, PLONK! To the gypsy......

She's quite the visionary...:cool:
https://youtu.be/NGBqB_k84Ms

Let me laugh at least for an hour while my brain try to put together the words "musical director" and "Stevie"..... :lol::lol::lol::lol: Not gonna happen :p:p

[button-lip]

What I was trying to say is that I know for certain that Stevie is the reason that he is gone because if she wanted him to be in the band he still would be no question. Guess I just worded it absurdly ..sorry.

I know, I know! I was trying to making it sound more obvious for those who STILL believe this is all Mick's solo work.

Stevie IS the powerful force in the band. For the good (filling arenas) and for the bad (firing Lindsey). Why is it to hard to believe, I don't know. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

Let me laugh at least for an hour while my brain try to put together the words "musical director" and "Stevie"..... :lol::lol::lol::lol: Not gonna happen :p:p

But did you click the link? It's an oldie but a goodie!!!!(wish my dumb ass knew how to embed)

https://youtu.be/NGBqB_k84Ms

[WelshWitchPMD]

I won't be going to any Fleetwood Mac shows with this lineup. I mean what's the point?
I am done with them. Mick are you listening to your fans?
#istandwithLindsey

[button-lip]

But did you click the link? It's an oldie but a goodie!!!!(wish my dumb ass knew how to embed)

https://youtu.be/NGBqB_k84Ms

Goat Stevie never sounded better! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Our new musical director... :confused::confused:

[SRhiannon]

You know....Stevie has always been my favorite band member to follow. I sincerely love her music and song writing. That being said though....At the very beginning, Lindsey wouldn't join the band without her...Now, I'm sure if she would have stomped her foot and said "If he has to leave, then I will too" then this whole fiasco wouldn't have happened. She owed him that! Again...just my opinion. I am so sad that I can't see the group one more time. I was sad when I heard this was the last tour but now I'm devastated it won't be the real FM! I'm done! No more money from me! I still love my real FM music but if Lindsey's out, so am I.